Fantasy Football Daily - Playing For Upside In Dynasty Fantasy Football

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

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What? What? Why are you shaking your head? You're welcome. Welcome to Dynasty Points. It's Tuesday night, which can only mean one thing. You're locked in here with us where you belong. And while you're here, you want to hit that subscribe button.

But today we're talking the AFC and the NFCE is giving you important dynasty takes from each division. Now, there's four of us today. That's two takes to people. It's going to be eight crucial pieces of dynasty information that we will pass from us to you. As I mentioned, if you have not already, you want to hit subscribe. Our watch time from our subscribers is only 32.8% right now. Help us feed our families and get all the Timbitts and Tim Horton's coffees that we need. And for our American friends, I don't know, Duncan.

67.2% from non-subscribed users. Hit that button, help us out. I tried Dunkin' Donuts for the first time last summer. And unreal experience. I got the iced coffee. I did it twice. One time I got it black, like I actually like it. And then one time I got the disgusting like coagulated cream shit that you guys seem to enjoy.

But I figured I had to do it just to see what the authentic American experience was. The latter was disgusting, but the former was terrific, and I would get three of those every single day. I really enjoyed what you guys do with the ice cubes, where instead of having like these massive squares, you get the little kind of like ice cube pellets. That was revolutionary. Duncan Ice coffee's awful. I'm sorry. I don't know what you guys. Wait, you're from the northeast.

Yeah, I don't know what you guys drink north of the border. Duncan, it's fine. Like, you can get it. You can get like you say, the coagulated green. This is a real. Okay, I thought maybe. And it's fine. But it's not like good coffee at all.

No, I mean, I don't, I don't drink coffee, but it doesn't look good. It doesn't smell good. And if you're going to get donuts from someplace, you don't go and don't get down here. That's the last resort every single time. It was cheap and it was refreshing and it was fine. I'm not saying it's the world class. But Ryan, you're a traitor to your people. I mean, one thing from.

Lucas to say this from from down south, but for you as a mass hole to be coming on the show ripping Dunkin' Donuts, I mean, I'm going to fire up my Celtics Twitter followers here to come get you. I think if there's an early clip we need, it's that one. Just an absolute shame. Of course, my, I'm more likely to drink like the. Sorry, we're talking about Dunkin' Donuts. No, Thomas, give me 30 more seconds.

This will be a three-hour show. This will be a three-hour show. We have to do the first 20 minutes on Dunkin' Donuts. I am much more likely to drink like the frozen like fruit gulata stuff for like the energy drinks or whatever than anything to do with the Duncan's coffee. It's not good. It's worse than what you can make in a curing at home. I don't know why anyone gets Dunkin coffee unless they don't know how to make coffee in any of the various easy ways that we can do in the year 2024 in the comfort of our own homes. because sometimes you're on the go and it's like 35 above like this is the case for ice coffee generally like like i said i've had dunkin twice in my life but like sometimes you're just on the go it's 35 above or as you americans would put it 100 above um and you just need refreshment you're not going to go home in the middle of the of your day to go find a cold brew machine like you're just you're going to run into your local coffee establishment and it's nice that you guys have one that's not like 650 that's not that's not

you know, the cold, the cheap cold brew option is underrated. Duncan is better than Tim's. I'm going to give it that. It's got nothing on star. But, dang. Well,

you see, if you're like me, and you just have a cold brew at home, it is never an issue. I just make up when you leave home. I bring a giant Stanley cup full of ice coffee with me everywhere. Like a reasonable respect. What about your like third,

fourth, fifth cup of coffee each day? I'm not a psychopath lawyer that needs a constant stream of either narcotics or caffeine injected into my system to work those elatious hours. Well, now we see the difference. Yeah, right. Yeah. What you guys are, the thing you guys are missing here is that ice coffee sucks. Why would you drink ice coffee?

Oh, he's so superior. I drink coffee. Give me the sugaryest energy drink that you have. That's all right. Well, that's why I think that's as good a point as any to mute Ryan and let you all know. It's your whole take. You spent five minutes saying Dunkin Ice Coffee is bad.

And now you're just saying all ice coffee is bad, which entirely invalidates your right to have an opinion on the previous matter. Oh, my goodness. Okay. And now are impromptu, the people versus RTDB. Yeah. I should have, I should have had that cute up. I almost feel like I need to restart this whole thing. Like, God, no. All right.

That's with me. Toronto Dave says it's the. worst take of Ryan's life. Nick Fury wants and booted. A ball heart is with Ryan. So people that are willing to show their names there with Gump. Gump is with me. Right. Well, he's with the

normal. He's with, you know, as normies. Yeah. I am very impressed. We've gone six minutes and haven't mentioned a single football player's name. I am so proud of us. Give us just coffee content. Well, well, with that, well, of course,

I'm the host. If anyone doesn't know, my name is Thomas. You can find me at Ellen Loster Thomas. My fun fact of the day is not only that today, I find out that Jacob is a psychopath and likes his coffee straight black, like a lunatic. My rostership of Brandon Ayuk is at a whopping 2.4%. Jacob.

Oh, I don't know. My fun fact is Dunkin' Donuts, great place. Every day. Do the same thing. Every day. And Jacob still forgets. on how we do like every week Lucas. Sorry, I'm catching my brother.

Lucas Gilby can find me on X at on Twitter at El Gilbert FF. And I have learned that apparently teams can refuse to claim a national championship and they can stake a claim to a national championship. If any of the reputable polling systems leaves them at number one at the end of the season. So we all know about UCF and school. Scott Frost, whenever they went 13 and no in him claiming that national championship. The year before, even though Clemson beat Alabama a national championship game, Alabama can still actually claim the national championship in 2016 and so on and so forth.

All of this to say, just because Michigan might have to vacate theirs, which I know they won't, but man, that sure would be funny. I don't think that anyone can actually claim that national championship. So boom. Ryan. Ryan J underscore Heath on Twitter. And my fun fact is I had a trivia redemption this week, Jacob. You'll be happy to hear I entered Jacob Gibbs' ridiculous two tight end double tight end premium dynasty league.

And the way we determined the draft order was tight end based trivia. And I came in third place out of a 12 person league. Wait. So I actually don't suck at trivia. You're bragging about finish third? You're bragging about it. trivia. I got a bunch of questions right. I thought Americans didn't believe in participation trophies.

I thought you guys believed in trying to be the best. And now you're coming on the show saying, oh, my God, look at me. I finished third. Pathetic. You don't like Dunkin' Donuts. You don't like winning. You're like the stereotype version of a bad Canadian. So anyways, my point was, Jacob, it's actually all your fault that I never win at

trivia in five for five on this show. because apparently I'm capable of it and it just must be all your questions. And now you're blaming the question. I'm blaming other people. Oh my God. Wow. This is going to be three hours long.

This is 100,000 percent about to be three hours long. So I hope everyone buckles the hell up because it is going to be absolute pure insanities. I can't wait. But we will have to wait one minute before we come back

and we get into the news that we might actually care about. Sit tight. All right, obviously we're only going to talk about one piece of news, news that hasn't quite maybe sort of could have happened. That did happen, that hasn't happened yet, that two other teams have maybe sort of maybe possibly been a part of

to maybe get said player that we don't know, but they aren't talking to each other, but now they are again. Brandon Ayuk. this situation and I will also say first 10 minutes we got two Jacobs

getting up and leaving that's a new record he's gonna push Scott's record for I need to go get a drink in a live stream on one show here but obviously with Brandon Iyuk it's the will he won't he

scenario let's talk about it because some people think no matter where he goes it is a boost for Brandon Ayyuk I am not one of those people I think that Pittsburgh would be not great,

but obviously we had Ari with the most recent update. Where things stand with the 49ers, Brandon IUC, per verified sources, 49ers have given IUC permission to negotiate a new contract. We know that. Browns and Patriots have agreed to trade deals with the 49ers. Cleveland would send Amari,

New England would send Kendrick Bourne. Jesus. And draft picks are also likely involved. It's unclear if the Patriots and Browns have an extension agreement with IUC. It's also unclear if he's interested in joining their team. So nothing has happened. the commanders and stealers have also been involved

but it does not seem like they were able to get a trade package done that would satisfy San Francisco. This seems to be the most open the 49ers have been about moving IUC, everything else out there publicly is currently unconfirmed. What this reads to me from what you're seeing on the screen is means nobody knows shit. Well, one person knows everything.

Pretty Ricky, he might know everything. Right. But nothing's, happened yet. Right? Like this stuff has been, he's getting traded. The deal is done for the entire week. I won't go into predictions at the moment.

Let's just, let's just talk about. Okay, well, fine. We'll start with predicting. The only, the problem is, is that I've yet to hear a trade that makes sense for all three parties based on, you know, what we hear. The incentives for IUC are the hardest to parse because, like, I can't really sit here and say what I think is rational for Brandon Ayuk. I'm just going off of what is reported that he wants and doesn't want,

which is apparently he seems more jazzed about the prospect of joining Washington or Pittsburgh than New England or Cleveland. So I'll take that for what it's worth. The issue for the 49ers, and this seems to back up the reporting, is like, I just can't wrap my head around a Pittsburgh trade that makes sense. Because the 49ers are probably one of the two to three to four Super Bowl favorites this year. and they're not a team like the chiefs or the bills where they can realistically say, okay, we have, and I know some people love Brock Purdy, but let's be like at least one percent serious. They can't say, you know, we have Patrick Mahomes.

So our window is as long as we have Patrick Mahomes and nothing else really matters, right? They're a little bit more dependent on the collective of what they have. And two massive pieces of that are Christian McCaffrey, who's going to be a 28-year-old running back, and Trent Williams, who's a mid-30s offensive tackle. You know, you can't depend on those two pieces being key elite pieces long into the future, right? The end could be near for those guys really any year. So you're looking at probably, most likely a one to two-year window of this squad, especially before you end up having to give Purdy that massive contract where he's no longer

providing $30, $40 million of surplus value for you. If you're just trading IUC for a draft pick, like I guess, I just don't buy that they wouldn't be able to turn around and tag and trade him for an 80% as good draft return next off season. And to me, having IUC on your team this year is worth whatever marginal drop in price that would be. Plus, you have the flexibility that way to see how IUC plays the season, see how Debo plays this season, and then pick one to keep and pick one to trade rather than boxing yourself into IUC's the one that we move. I just think that's clearly the better strategy. The only trade that makes any sense, I mean, I've heard that they place value on Kendrick Bourne. That's insane to me.

If it's true, then cool, I guess. Good for the Patriots and good for them. The only deal that makes any sense to me is the Cooper one. You know, Amari Cooper, his role in Cleveland is pretty much exactly what the IUC role is now, which is, you know, deep intermediate. If you get single coverage, we're throwing a you. I think the idea with IUC is he could develop into doing a lot of more than just that outside of San Francisco.

But you plug in Cooper to the IUC role within that offense. I think he can give you 90% of the same production. And then you hopefully add a second round draft pick on top. Like that, that checks out to me. And it checks out to me from both sides as a trade that makes sense. So we'll see. I mean, to me, like, I've been bearish on the Pittsburgh thing happening just because I don't think it makes sense.

But if the 49ers think it does, then I guess that would be the spot that IEke wants to go and the team that's incentivized to pay. And I don't know. I'm kind of not wanting to doubt pretty Ricky at this point. So go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to, so I want to offer two possibilities where,

because I agree with you, Jacob, on the 49ers incentives there. Most of this doesn't really make sense in terms of what's been leaked. Why would they trade him for most of these packages, right? So I think there are two worlds that we could live in. One is that IUC is completely, I shouldn't phrase it that way.

The 49ers and IUC have completely destroyed their relationship with each other is one potential world we live in where their both sides kind of have to throw anything to work with each other in order to get him off the team. Right. And that's where like the Kendrick-Born stuff comes from where it's literally just they need to find any possible avenue to get him off the team because there's a zero percent chance he plays snaps for the 49ers this year because they are that. great at each other, right? Or the other world that we could live in that I think makes sense is all of this is a particularly dramatic like leak war that is in order for them to try to gain leverage over each other in contract negotiations. And kind of all roads here, regardless of whether it's the 49ers leaking that they have deals in place or IUC leaking that he wants to go somewhere else. All of this is just aimed with the intention of trying to extract more money out of the other

for an extension, and that that's kind of where all roads lead to. I think those are the two most likely possibilities. Now, that doesn't really narrow down where IU goes, because, yeah, if it's the former, it could be anywhere, and kind of all incentive and logic could be thrown out the window. But that's how I'm kind of looking at it right here. And I will say that if it is like the ladder and Iyuk just wants out, kind of no matter what, it would just looking at that list of teams that Thomas had up earlier, I was kind of running through my head.

Maybe Iyuk is having the same process in his head as fantasy managers currently are, where it's like, ooh, are these spots really any better for my stats than the 49ers are? So yeah, yeah, that's kind of all my thoughts on this. I'm with, did he care about the stats though? Because like, I think he cares about one stat and it's the stat in his bank account. Exactly.

That's what he cares about. I think for you about stats that stats are what get them paid ultimately. I think, yeah, but I have now. It's getting paid anyway, right? That's, I guess that's what I wonder. Like, if he's, to me,

if Pittsburgh is high on his list, then like, you're not getting stats there. Well, it's got to be, I think, I think that's the, you must sign me to an extension if you're going to trade for me.

I think he's scurring no matter what. Then I feel like other other things beyond stats. Yeah. Like Nick Fury just says cares about team cap space debt. That, yeah, 100%. Pesky just says just got here. I assume I only just missed the intro. Well, you missed like a 10 minute.

You got deep here. We got deep here. There, yeah, there were comparisons made. It went crazy. Go back and watch that. for sure. MtM revolts. That was saying former teammate about Ayuk then backtracking on it multiple times. Yeah, that was interesting.

Yeah, I'm also agree. There's no trade without an extension. I think if he gets traded, it's Pittsburgh. But it's going to be like something like Pickens is coming back with the second or say they have to be. I think it, I think for San Francisco, it has to be. like for them like who else are they going to hey Calvin Austin well that's that's the issue

that's the issue with Pittsburgh is like I agree Pittsburgh you're saying why am I trading you George Pickens cost controlled for three years for Brandon I you that I have to sign to an extension right and I have to send you a pick and if you're the 49ers I'm looking at it going well Pickens is the only wide receiver I give a shit about on your whole team so you know so that's that's the issue for for me with that spot I do think that's

I think Pittsburgh is the only, like, bad spot. I know, I think there's more fud, and you guys that disagree with me can fud the other spots if you want, especially from a dynasty lens. I just, I think that the 49ers spot is, like, a good floor situation, I guess, for him. But it's, it's really not a good ceiling location. Like, he had one of the most efficient seasons per target,

really of like the last decade, last season. And he finished as the wide receiver 12, right? which is like, you know, it matters a little, but it wasn't like the world's most impactful fantasy season. That's because he got 105 freaking targets last year. And barring injuries, honestly, like multiple other 49ers, there's just not a ton there because their offense is all this small ball, yak offense in that CNC kiddle and Debo.

And then IU provides a deep element to that. But we know we've seen that he has the ability to be a yards after catch player, all the date on him, you know, from the reception to his open score, from his just efficiency suggests he can be an all-depth guy. I don't view Washington or Cleveland as like obviously worse. I think you could go there, earn a 27, 28% target chair. I think those are spots where there's at least a possibility of them throwing more because you have San Francisco is this trio of they play slow, they run a lot,

and then they're always winning. So they then even have a lower expected pass rate. So I think you have Cleveland and Washington. I think maybe those things are just disasters. But I think that there's at least upside of having league average pass volume and like a 27% target share on those teams. And then New England, and you could just flip New England and Washington if you're a person who's a big Daniels believer and not a May believer. But, you know, from my perspective, as a big May believer, and I look at that New England room and I go, the reason I like all these guys is because all the other ones suck. All of a sudden you throw eye you can do the mix.

And now it's just him and a bunch of dudes. It's Joe. Yeah. And I'm looking at like, okay, I get the quarterback that I think is awesome. I get a wide receiver room where he can demand a 30% target share. Let's go. Like maybe not this year because it'll probably be Bresc for part of the year and then it's May as a rookie.

But I'm looking at like as soon as 2025, we could be competing for wide receiver one overall on the New England Patriots, whereas that's not a world that we're living in on the San Francisco 49ers. Right. And as for pesky wanting to know what I think about how it affects his best ball price, I'm going to say bad. and that's the in-depth analysis you're going to get for me.

I think you're right. I think what this does, people think it's just like an instant slam. He's, you know, the wide receiver one. I think what people are realizing is you're trading in that elite, unbelievable best case scenario efficiency for like moderately more targets, but less efficient targets,

which probably puts his production exactly where he's at now. It just trades off, right? with some give or take involved. I don't know if any of these spots are the peak ceiling like Jacob said unless it is New England and May is, you know, the prince that was promised. And then now we have

like he said, you know, an opportunity for wide receiver one overall IUC. I don't love the Pittsburgh spot, but I do want to talk about potentially what could happen if Iyuk were to leave. I found these

from Rich Rebar today and I thought they were very good. obviously and not sustainable, but let's have a look at them anyway. Debo, Samuel has run 182 routes with Brandon Ayuk off the field since the team drafted IUC. Samuel on those plays, 37% target share, 73% catch rate of 4.73 yards per route run and a 17.2 yards per catch. Unsustainable, obviously, but hilarious nonetheless. And that doesn't just stop there. We get Mr. George Kittle.

a hundred and ninety six routes with a 25% target rate per route, a 1.184 yards per out run, and a 10.9 yards per catch. Those are obviously insane numbers that wouldn't sustain, but it does help kind of clarify, in my opinion, what would happen in San Francisco because Shanahan and rookies, yeah, they have Pearsall, believe they re-sign Jennings. Those guys aren't Ayuk. So you imagine they're going to centralize more on their big three outside of IUC now.

It would be, it would just condense to somehow McCaffrey getting more. But then obviously Debo and Kittle and like you said, they're kind of fragile assets. So I think it does a better job shaping what would happen post IUC. And I think that team would generally be okay. But I think you're right. I think Pittsburgh is worst case in my opinion. Like it has to be. And there were people on the internet giving Arthur Smith like a pass.

I had a conversation with, I'm going to forget who it is on Twitter. I know part of your handle is Frank. So Frank, he said that obviously like a coach's job increases and what they have to think about and deal with when they become a head coach. We shouldn't take his head coaching stuff as deep as like we should focus more on his offensive coordinator stuff. And I disagree because that. head coach for years still made the decision to completely mismanage his players, completely

mismanaged the situation and then doubled down in press conferences about how this is my system and this is going to work and these are my guys so on and so forth. Like we kind of know what we're going to get with all Arthur and his offense and it's

not the most desirable unless somebody's just holding his hand saying you better you get him the ball. It sucks. It's going to suck. Great for Fields, though. I mean, he gets Ayuk. We're, I mean, I mean, what Justin Fields starting odds went to like plus 400 over the last week.

Like, he's for starting week one. Like, the train's rolling forward. So I don't know. Pittsburgh's a disaster. It is a disaster. It's all the same problems that he has in San Francisco, but without the efficiency, right? Like, I actually, I think there's things that Arthur Smith does decently schematically. I think he calls a good run game.

had times when he's had talent like in Tennessee where they had an efficient offense, it still was not an ideal offense for AJ Brown's fantasy value, right? I mean, AJ Brown has been one of the best wide receivers in the NFL, his whole career, and he never saw 120 targets in an Arthur Smith offense, right? And it's not because he wasn't earning them. It's because they don't throw the ball. And you add in other problems, whether it's Russ or Fields, they both pose the same problem, which is the dropback conversion rate is going to be league low or close to it

with either of those guys. Fields is an extreme outlier, but Russ is not that much better in terms of how many of their dropbacks become sacks and scrambles. So, you know, it's an Arthur Smith offense with their pass rates. You're looking at probably in the realm of 500 to 550 dropbacks. And then if it's fields, 25% of those are not turning into pass attempts. Their sacks or their scrambles. With Ross, maybe it's 15 to 20%, but it's going to be high. It would be surprising to see more than 460 to 490 pass attempts. And so you start doing the math. And it's like even if you give IUC a 28% target share, right,

which would be kind of the outer limits of what you could reasonably project, it's like, all right, that's getting us to 130, 140 targets, which is a big upgrade on what he's been getting in San Francisco. But probably it's what Tom said, which is you're then subtracting the efficiency and you end up in the same play. where you want to see it is like if you could if you're a may believer or Daniels believer and you could talk yourself into that and you get okay now we don't have the Smith Cloud hang over our heads maybe we have 580 pass attempts in this offense in maybe not this year but

next year and he gets a 28% target share okay now we're in the like 170 180 targets now we're in the CD Jefferson Chase that type of situation um and Cleveland is kind of interesting in that front too, right? Like they go out, they hire Ken Dorsey. They seem like they want to play a spread offense this year. They probably want to play fast. Can Watson handle it? Like, I'm not really sure, but I do think they at least have the intention to do that. I have quick thoughts on Kittle. I just want to double back there really quickly before I go into the Steelers. Over the last couple years, there I believe six games combined that either Debo or Brandon Ayuk has missed. George Kittle has averaged like 17 fantasy points per game and half PPR scoring in those.

That was like 50% more than T.J. Hawkinson who led the position last year and half PPR. So like just insane sealing outcomes we're talking about for George Kittle specifically. It obviously Debo too. I think honestly worth like a little bit of a bump in all. formats when there's a bit of uncertainty about that if I'm drafting anywhere today. Other than that, kind of moving back to Pittsburgh, I'm reminded of a tweet I put out like a couple months ago where it was just comparing like the number of catchable targets in every offense. San Francisco and the Arthur Smith Falcons had, I believe, the exact same

number of catchable targets per game last year. The difference is that the Falcons were a three offense in terms of total passing yardage production versus 49ers being top five or top six. So yeah, it obviously all the efficiency goes away. And I do think that that matters also in these other spots where we're talking about the Patriots, the commanders, even the Browns, kind of what these Shanahan offenses have done to the league, especially over the last two years, is just insane. Like if you go and sort by yards per outrun, it's literally all of the Shanahan offense receivers.

Yeah. So, yeah, I think Brandon Ayuk is really good and can win on his routes. It is an incredible separator, all that. But also, I don't know how, I don't know if I'm backing him to be even one of like the top 12 most efficient receivers in the league on a Brown's offense

or on a Patriots offense, even if we feel really good about Drake May. So, yeah, I think at best, like the Browns minus Cooper is like a lateral move to right now. And anywhere else I think would be a downgrade at least for this year. I hear Jacob on the ceiling thing in terms of, yeah, if either of these rookie quarterbacks turn out to be really good, then yeah, of course, that's better than like the very limited passing volume and kind of what they're doing with Brock Purdy there. But, but I mean, ultimately, that's very speculative, right? Like it's hard to it's hard to really bake that much in. That's like a 95th percentile outcome that Brandon Ayuk both ends up in one of these spots.

And you hit the parlay of also the rookie QB is incredibly amazing that he ends up. Right. Yeah. It's it's so rare for a rookie quarterback to boost any wide receiver up that insanely high. For sure. I think, I mean, we got to give the people what they want. Give Ayuk a 28% share and pick it. demands a trade absolutely best part of ike to the sealers is getting to see legendary pickings tantrums which we absolutely know would happen so there we go that like lucas anything to add i think we

i think we might have covered mostly everything there yeah after 22 minutes of talking about brett and i i don't think that there's anything else i can add in i think i said we're going to keep that to 10 minutes i think that was the that was the goal today and we we only doubled it so that's not not bad. It's not bad. But there you go. Brandon I, you bad everywhere but Cleveland and San Francisco. It's kind of the summary on that. I'm making a big objection to that as the conscientious objector. So everybody else's with for sure. Okay. Bad everywhere, but San Francisco and Cleveland sends Jacob at a 98% outcome in New England year one. And Washington. I'll take Washington too. The only place I don't want to Pittsburgh. I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm all aboard IUC anywhere, but San Francisco or Pittsburgh. Okay. From the dynasty perspective. You don't want them in San Francisco either? No, San Francisco is like bad. I don't want players. I don't want one of the best five receivers in the NFL to have a 21% target share and 105 targets. Like I've been beating this drum.

I think the San Francisco spot sucks. I don't like, I guess it depends on what you think of IU. Do you think IUC is a pretty good receiver? If he's a pretty good receiver, then he's going to be in the best. spot he is. If you think he can be one of the best receivers on the planet, which is what I think, then I don't want him in this stupid role where he's used to like 40% of his capabilities because there's three other superstars. I want him to go be an alpha somewhere else. I agree that Washington and New England, he's probably not going to get a great situation this year.

But in this specific context, where we're being a dynasty show and not a best ball show, I'm more into long-term Drake May number one, long-term Jaden Daniels number one, than and like role player on the 49ers. Yeah, that rule's really good, though. But I'm just, it's good for the efficiency. Let's play the other hand where maybe Debo's the one that gets traded if they keep them, right? And now you're looking at. Yeah, that's good.

So there's still an opportunity. It just, you know, it's, I know, I, I can, I can really see through the dust here and see through the cloud and the smoke for Jacob. Why the upside is away from San Francisco. Because you'll have to stop rooting for Brock Purdy. to get Iyuk the ball and produce. Once we remove that factor from Jacob, Jacob's going to lead a happier life. And for Jacob's sake, I want that for him.

Breaking news live. My dream is dead. So after requiring about Brandon Ayuk's availability, the Patriots have decided not to explore further trade possibilities to the 49ers regarding their standout wide receiver. Patriots are excited about their young receivers and wish to focus on them. So good news for my best ball exposures, bad news for my IUC dynasty.

May factory. Now, now, I should have said this also, and nothing matters now. Bobcraft doesn't want to pay anybody. We kind of didn't talk about that or care about it when Brady was here for years because everyone would take a pay cut to come to the Patriots, but they don't want to pay guys.

That's kind of what it is. Tamper tantrums right now. Because he sees their cap hit. I like this big Diaz energy. Ravens I, Yuk, best landing spot. Let me, let's make that. happen. I mean, let's go. Please don't.

Yeah, just tweeted it. Ryan Heath, Mountaineer, question mark. And then still the Javan Baker. All right, that's going to do it for IUC News. We almost got it done in the time I wanted. We only went just over like double and a half, but that's fine. Quick break. And when we come back, we're going to get into divisions for this three and a half hour long dynasty points program.

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Same thing that we did last week. We have two teams, one from each division that we are going to give some takes on. We're going to start with the AFC East. I have no strong takes about the AFC East at this point. I think I've spoken about every player that I can possibly think of in terms of value and how I think about them. So because I can recognize that I will add nothing to this, Ryan Heath will be taking over with an extra AFCEs take for me.

The only thing I will kind of say is like, I kind of like late, late, you know, late seven, early eight, Mondre Stevenson. That's it. I like his price right now. I just drafted him at 710. I like that. I think he's good. There you go.

That's going to be my big take. I'm going to start with Lucas seeing as how he was super quiet on Ayuk. Let's go. What is your AFC East Dynasty take that the people need right now? So right now mine is take advantage of the Patriots wide receivers and their price. This is going to be a time that they are going to be the absolute cheapest. And if you happen to be wrong, which I don't. think both Jalen Polk and Javon Baker will work out.

Odds are in favor of both them hitting. I think one of them is going to hit. If you talk to most people who were looking at the NFL draft before, then they were a sleeper for most analysts on all of their board saying these are players that you need to watch out for Jvonne B or sorry, not Javon Baker. Jalen Polk gets the really good draft capital. That's stuff that we're interested in, but Patriots have given good draft capital of other wide receivers who haven't done anything.

Sorry, Ryan. I know it's been tough for you. So Jalen Polk had really good tape in college. It's there five years. We don't like that. But he won consistently. He produced big time and he can play both outside and slot. Javon Baker was really good at I believe UCF. And then comes into the league. He has more of a slot type.

But he is lighting up training camp right now. And his ADP has not shot up that much. You can still get him in, I believe, the 15th. round of your 14th round. Javon Baker is going in the 12th round right now in startup drafts. So those are wide receivers to target. One of them is going to make you really, really happy. And if you draft both of them and one of them doesn't work out, it's your 12th and 15th round pick.

No big deal there. But one of them's going to hit. One of them's going to make you really happy. You might have to wait a year. But that's where some value is right now. That's who you need to be targeting in the AFC East. Like my initial comment is like hit to what end to be like that happy about it? But then when you sit there and you think, oh, he just said in the round like 15.

I guess it doesn't really matter at all. In round 15, if you even get wide receiver 3 production, you're pretty happy. So I will actually agree, even though I was about to disagree. I'll actually agree. Ryan will get your first of the ASEs takes. First, before I give you my take, I just want to quickly chime in on Lucas's. That that was one of my first takes of the offseason before I sat down and did really anything other than look at what happened last year was I looked at the Texans and said, we completely ignored a completely different combination of offensive coordinator and highly drafted quarterback. that we just kind of looked at them in 2023 ADP and said,

eh, it's the Texans, they kind of suck, whatever, like not interested in drafting any of their ambiguous receiver core. That is literally the Patriots this year. Yes, just plus one, draft all those guys. Anyway, so to get away from my Patriots, to get away from the actual useful take, so my first take is literally just one that made me upset on Twitter today because people said some really mean things to me.

So we're bringing the Dalton Kincaid discourse back to this podcast because there's probably no player that I have personally flip-flopped on more times over this whole off-season. Yeah, I like Kincaid. I've flipp-flopped more times today. I just don't know what to even do with this. So, yeah, I mean, the Dalton Kincaid splits with Dawson Knox are on the screen right now. they're not pretty it's like tight end 25 through tight end 18 type of stuff with with the

route share with the yards for outrun the fancy points all that right not good stuff uh when he was sharing the field with dawson knox i made a comparison to luke musgrave about how he's just expensive luke musgrave and that made people very very upset luke musgrave stats are as good or better than that even before you go in and start adjusting for like uh low snap share games with injuries and all that, right? Just free of context, it looks like, okay, Luke Musgrave is a huge value. Dalton Kincaid is incredibly overdrafted in all formats.

And that's kind of where I still am. There's definitely more context that you could include, right? So obviously, Kincaid is a rookie tight end. His role expanded throughout the year. But then if you're trying to compare, like, what did he do with Dustin? Knox later in the year after his role had expanded and he had broken out to some extent. It's like, okay, well, Kincaid kind of was under like a 50% snap share for two games with

a shoulder injury. If you include all that, include the playoffs, you just like Franken construct this sample. You can get it to be like, okay, Dalton Kincaid, Titan 4-ish by yards per game, titan 8-ish by fantasy points per game. Maybe that makes sense that he's like a top six, top seven fantasy tight end, right? But then you look at the route chair and it's still like under 70%. There's just so many ways I have twisted and turned with Dalton Kincaid over the last 24 hours. And I think where I've landed is he's probably a tad overpriced.

I think, yes, there is like a ceiling outcome, certainly, as with any year. two tight end where his role continues to progress. Dion Coleman, I'm certainly not like a particular fan of. Curtis Samuel is probably a fine role player, but I don't think he's commanding an alpha target share. Yeah, it's very tempting to say, okay, Dalton Kincaid conceptually is just going to be the alpha in this receiving room. But just the logistics of how he gets on the field enough short of the bills running 12

personnel on like 50% of their dropbacks is really hard for me to contend with. So that's the take extremely long winding diatribe, but I'd be selling Dalton Kincaid at cost in Dynasty right now. Flip me over to like any other top six tight end, our boy, Brock Bowers included. Love the past take, obviously. I'm not going to even provide if you've listened to literally any show I've done. year or anything I've written. Before you get into your Pat's take,

we have some people commenting on YouTube in terms of a Pat's take. Can we get this guy an updated jersey? Come on, Bill. The Josh Gordon jersey, that was a painful time for us, Patriots fans. As Lucas reminded me of this, I had to go and

pull this for this take. If you want to, if you want to leave a comment, in the video on what jersey Ryan Heath should finally use to update his room with... Kimbril Tompkins

Aaron Dobson. By the way, I will be wearing this jersey to Gillette Stadium this Thursday to go watch Drake May in the preseason and I always get stopped whenever I wear it. People love the Josh Gordon jersey. Like two things, you know, that are equally as depressing. preseason football and

Josh Gordon to the New England Patriots fan base apparently. That was like the least depressing thing that's happened to the Patriots in the last five years. Leave a comment below on what jersey Ryan should use to update his room decor. Leave a comment

just like, let's give him a shout out. Josh Coons 5-6A3. Shout out to you for leaving the comment. So you got to be careful. You never know when you leave a comment which one is going to pop up now. I'm going to on mad with power, like I normally do on the program, especially around this time of the year. Jacob, your AFC

East take. Yeah, absolutely. And quickly on the Kincaid thing, I mostly agree with Ryan, and I've also been very back and forth. I think where I'm at is, I think you just play him in seasonal leagues, I think is what I want to do, because I think that's where you have kind of two outs.

One, if he's actually the stud that was promised, and then two, I think he's at least good enough to be capable of like a stars aligned, tight end season where it feels like there's a lot of kind of mid tight ends that have the one year where they end up on a high volume passing team and there's no one really else around them. And I feel like even if Kincaid turns out not to be as good as we think, if he's going to have that season, it really sets up well for him this year.

But I don't know if I'm as convinced on the overall pedigree of his talent. My take is about Gary Wilson. It's become kind of an invogue thing in the dynasty community, I think especially, but all communities to be the Garrett Wilson is overhyped. Garrett Wilson is overrated person. And I'm not even going to say Garrett Wilson is properly rated. Garrett Wilson is underrated.

I think Gary Wilson is legitimately underrated. I think this is a player that when the year is done, we'll be talking about a group of four at the top of the dynasty rankings and saying, is it Jamar Chase, is it Justin, is it Cedley Lamb or is it Garrett Wilson as that fourth guy? You look at this fiscal profile that he's put up, while in literal hell playing with quite clearly the worst, clearly the worst quarterback play in the NFL over this last two years.

Start off, of course, 30.1% target share, 42.7% air yard share. That's in his second season in the NFL. And you look up guys that are 30, 40 guys. That's Pro Bowl, Hall of Fame, perennial type guys. And those are usually the numbers that those size start putting up at age 25, 26, 27. He's already doing that in year. or two. You look at, well, okay, what about the sort of quality metrics beyond earning a bunch

of targets? Fifth and open score. The only guys above him are randomly Khalif Raymond, but the other guys in the top 10 are Keenan Allen, C.D. Lamb, Tyree Kill, DeAndrey Hopkins, A.J. Brown, Tankdale, Brandon, I, you. Like, this is a metric that is identifying elite talents and puts Garrett Wilson and above there. Reception perception. Again, it is just in his second season. over 95th percent offense, 96 percentile versus man coverage, 79 percentile versus zone coverage, 93rd versus press. The only players since Matt Harmon started charting reception perception to put up 95th percentile above in man and the same percentile above or higher zone in any season,

Stefan Diggs, Michael Thomas, O'Dell Beckham, Antonio Brown, A.J. Brown, Devante Adams, the Justin Jefferson. I think that this is a guy that people are sort of looking at, Oh, his yards per row run aren't very high. Oh, well, his targets per run isn't quite as high as target share. To me, when you look at the wide receiver isolating metrics and then also just sort of the don't overthink it stats, the target share, the yard share, it's the profile of a really young player who's been the only force for good in this passing offense, who's continued to be able to produce as much as he can and then puts up a whole suite of accompanying stats that are really impressive. And the simplest solution of, okay, why is this yards per out run bad? It's because Zach Wilson's fucking sucks.

And we'll see what happens this year. All I want, and this has been my pled, all I want is him to have, I don't need Aaron Rodgers to be MVP, Aaron Rogers. I just want him to have the 16th best quarterback play in the league. Can he have league average quarterback play one time? And I promise to you that if he does not score at least 18 points per game while having league average quarterback play, I'm never going to talk about Gary Wilson again. I'll just draft him in silence.

I just want one season of league average quarterback play, bare minimum, and I want to see this guy be super star. It's the thing I'm looking forward to most at 2024. All right. I have to add to this. I'm so sorry. I know I'm making the show take so long. Hey, that's where you're sorry.

If anyone, look, if any dynasty points, listener, you know what? I've really, you know, I don't know what just happened. I thought you did that on purpose. No, no. I was like, oh, damn. I had a different voice. We lose Jacob. I don't know what the hell's going on.

This show is off the rails every, every week. There's nothing, there's nothing normal about this program. But if any dynasty points, Jacob says he's here. He's not actually here. We're going to figure this whole thing out. If there's any dynasty points listener that thinks, oh man, I can't wait for that podcast to drop Wednesday morning. or I can't wait to head into the YouTube live feed and just enjoy this quick,

quick hitting, right size, taste long, bite size amount of dynasty content. You, you're out of your, your goddamn mind. You're out of your mind because it never happens.

But, uh, go ahead, right. Yeah. So just because Jacob brings up kind of all the separation stuff, the, like what,

uh, quarterback play agnostic metrics, I have no idea if I'm supposed to, supposed to talk about this in this level of detail. Scott Barrett can be mad at me after the show if he hears this and didn't want me leaking all this, but I'm working on an article. Yes, we're going to talk about ass. I'm working on an article, hopefully out in the next week or so.

But for those who don't know, us at fantasy points are getting ready to release our own separation charting metric, average separation score. Garrett Wilson last year, sixth best in ass, top 12 against. both man and zone, so kind of lines up with everything else that Jacob just said. Maybe most impressively, we will track how many separation wins that every player on each team in total will get throughout the entire season. Garrett Wilson was responsible for over 44% of all of the Jets separation route wins last year. That was the most in the league.

like unbelievable stuff. And if you want to even go a step further, why doesn't his targets for outrun look as good? Why don't all of these like fancier stats look as good? Part of the reason is going to be that Zach Wilson was actually the third worst quarterback in the league just at ignoring separated receivers, at throwing to a receiver who failed to separate,

even past his first read, when usually Garrett Wilson did separate. And we have all of that charted and figured out on a play-by-play basis. Can't wait for people to read more of that. But yeah, not that I needed convincing on Garrett Wilson, but kind of digging into this and writing all of this stuff up was what really made me get on board with Jacob here in terms of, yeah, I think he is one of the best four wide receivers.

As has sufficiently confirmed that Garrett Wilson is hashtag above the rest. if we didn't, if we didn't already. I just hate, I hate calling it that. I feel, I feel still ridiculous anytime I say, I say ass. I yelled at Graham for not calling it ass on Bestball Breakdown last week. Yeah, I'm with Graham. We're, we're both doing this. I'm pro, I'm pro ass.

What was the Stephen A. Smith quote? I'm a booty hip and leg man foe show. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. We're, you know, this is weird, ass positive program here at dynasty points. Okay, that's some AFC East right there. Okay, I vibe. We're going to take a break and then we're going to rip through the NFC East, get five for five,

and hopefully get this in and done in about an hour and a half because I have a feeling we're going to lose Jacob at least one more time during this program. No, that was what the, that was the temporary losing me was me changing ports on the camera and Mike to get some charge in. So we're ready to go as long as we need today. Oh, God. Because we need you to leave a comment about updating Ryan's jersey. And we need you to leave a comment so we can get Jacob to the year 2024 with a laptop that has more than like two ports in it. Or at least like a port.

Well, here's a thing. I have one and a half ports. So basically, first, the main issue is that like my laptop battery just sucks. Like it just can't handle podcasting for more than like 80 to 90 minutes. without getting recharge, which would be fine, because in theory, I should be able to charge my laptop in one port, plug in my camera and mic through an adapter into the other port. I have two ports. One always works.

The other one is legitimately like a 50-50 proposition. And not only the 50-50 if it's working, some days it'll work to support charging, but not the mic and camera. Some days it'll support the mic and camera, but it won't support charging. You just never really know. So I have to play it around, but we got the right mix. We're golden. We're here all day.

Can you not just plug an adapter into the one port that always works? Well, I can't, I don't have enough possible to get like my, then I would need another adapter to adapt my like charge cord into the adapter because the adaptors UV USBC and the adapter.

Jesus. Can we raise enough money to get Jacob a $20 USB adapter? We're going to find out in the comments. We need a different, we need two different. an adapt. Recommend adapters in the comments.

Yeah. Hashtag free adapter. Let's get something going. Quick break and then it's the NFCs. Oh, man. I think the NFCs might be my favorite division in football this year. Yeah, for fantasy. I think that there are so many fun possibilities in the NFC East that could also be,

they can either be really good for us in Dynasty. or woefully bad. If like Daniel sucks, bad, Dak leaves, bad. Dak leaves, bad for lamb. Just examples. Like, Terry McCorn could suck again. And that means he just is what he is forever.

Brian Robinson could die this year. Like, we would like, there could be a lot of positives and a lot of negatives for the NFCE specifically in a lot of different ways. So I'm excited to talk about it. they will be mostly positive, from what I understand. I want to start with Jacobs and the East take. Yeah, this time I'll be more predictable.

So that's my highest drafted running back in the format that won't be named. It's a guy that I've been trying to target in this format. Brian Robinson, I think, has become a disrespected player in fantasy circles. In my opinion, without merit. He's been playing on really quite a bad offensive line through most of his NFL career. And yet, it has consistently managed reasonable efficiency metrics as a rusher. 0.22 rush yards over expectation, roughly middle of the pack,

well above average in success rate and relative success rate. 2.9 3 yards after contact per attempt, totally reasonable value there last season. And then I think the most impressive stuff is you look at the relative stats compared to Antonio Gibson, and it's really night and day, who the better rusher on that team has been over the last two years. comes in this year after, I think what everybody agreed at the time was a very successful season compared to where he was drafted. Austin Echler comes in. It gets less money guaranteed than Antonio Gibson got in New England. Gets kind of similar money to really what I would consider backup money after looking positively cooked last year. And it has this whiplash effect knocking down Brian Robinson back down in the community when to me, I just don't think that that should be the case.

last year, one of the fun things with Robinson is he ends up having a really efficient receiving season, which people won't include when viewing his rushing metrics, but then they'll also say, well, it'll probably regress. Okay, but let's at least then bake some of that explosion into his overall profile. And he generated that receiving season without playing in long down and distant situations, without playing in the two-minute drill. Those were all coming off of early down screens and the type of opportunities he's still likely to get, even if Echler slides perfectly into that Antonio Gibson role.

The most exciting thing about Robinson in this offense, Cliff Kingsbury had four offenses with the Arizona Cardinals. None of them, well, I think one of them in 2021 was actually good. The others were largely uninspiring. Nonetheless, 19 running back touchdowns, 15, 21, and 13, consistently coming up in the top half of the league, not just in rushing touchdowns, but specifically in running back rushing touchdowns, all while Kyler Murray was there as a rushing quarterback. Jaden Daniels comes in, of course, going to gobble up some of the rushing work between the 20s,

but not a large quarterback, right? That was kind of one of the dings on his profile, slender guy. Is he going to be a goal line threat? Well, Cliff Kingsbury's had mobile quarterbacks before that are a little undersized. He's usually handing off to the running back at the goal line. And you also get the benefit of Daniels' his rushing threat

in between the 20s, where you get to take another hat that the defense has to worry about, Maybe that helps mitigate some of the offensive line concerns. I'm really excited about Robinson. I think he's going to see 250 carries this year. I think he's going to score 10 touchdowns this year. I think he's a middle of the pack RB2 that you can get at throw in prices, who's not going anywhere in Dynasty either.

I think it's a great. I mean, betting against Echler is just something I want to do. I'll come out and say it. I'll be that guy. I think there's a lot of points for Robinson. Like, if Echler is there, doesn't he just replace Gibson? And then Robinson was still pretty damn good with Gibbs. and around so I'm inclined to agree

and hey Russian quarterbacks tend to open lanes right for running backs we like that too I'm 100% in I'm very much in with the Brian Robinson crowd I have two takes here in the NFCE so I'm going to give one now so we've been sitting here tracking ADP changes from Dynasty Data Lab

since April and these are some of the biggest names these are some of the biggest changes changes from April 16th to July 25th and Superflex Titan Premium. That's second name on your screen here on the left. Zeke Elliott has moved up 49 spots in his average draft position. Now, maybe that's absurd, like pure insanity. But let's look at what the Dallas Cowboys do with Zeke when he's on the roster. He obviously wasn't there last year.

I don't think any of us expected for us to be talking Cowboys and Zeke in the year of our Lord 2024, but here we are. And he's, again, insanely cheap and is, in my opinion, a perfectly fine RB2 for a zero RB type team. I actually love him. Here's why. We know he can pass block. We know he can catch dumpoffs.

We know that McCarthy has used him on the goal line previously and can see that happening again. Rico Dowdle, complete unknown. Limited work history. Just a complete unknown. And his ADP reflects that. He's cheaper. There's a reason.

Both very good gets. I have seen both camp news of Rico may not make the team to Rico could start to it's all Ezekiel Elliott to everything under the sun with this team. And I like goal line back, pass down back. Ezekiel Elliott, surprisingly enough, more than a lot of other options that is ADP. I think Zeke is a perfect buy window. I think he's a perfect upside play. He's an upside buy.

I posted some of the trades on the thumbnail. You can go and finally, he was Khalil Herbert was one of them. Zeke in a fourth for a third. I'm totally fine with Noah Fant for Zeke. These are trades I pulled from Dynasty Day. lab that show just how accessible Zeke is to a team that needs running backs and you will need running backs. Somebody that could legitimately put up eight to ten touchdowns, 45 to 50 receptions,

legitimately. And I'm sorry, but if you put up 10 touchdowns and 45, 50 receptions, you're going to be an upper tier RB2 to possibly an RB1 depending on who stays healthy. And there's zero downside for you. I don't know what the downside is unless you pay too much. Maybe one of you guys can tell me what the big downside from Zika is, aside from like, he's going to suck.

Sure. I don't care. If that's his downside, oh, well, he'd be one of the other nine backup running backs or whatever I have stashed on my bench that are probably also ass. Some of Nick Fury said,

no offense, breakout. No fan just got hurt again. Like today, he walked off the press. I'm just, I'm done with the, I don't want to hear that.

I don't want to hear that. or stuff like that. I would pretend I do not see it. I'm done with the old fan stuff. I'm out. So I would trade insert like probably your fourth or fifth tight end for like of not, not just a stopgap playable running back. Like I think if Zeeke is that guy this year,

you're getting a free potential high end RB2 to possible low end RB1. Because we know what that Dallas offense is and it's really good. I want that. Yeah. I mean, they used Tony Pollard at the goal line over Rico Dado last year. I feel like that's kind of all that needs to be said. Like, they would absolutely love to use Zekiel Elliott there. So, yeah, that's kind of all I have to say there.

Yeah, I mean, I'm obviously more on the Daudel train between the two of them, but I'm happy to take shots on either. I mean, both these guys are probably terrible. But how bad each of them are is a really good son. I had a, I had a, I, I had my article. It was a basketball article, but certainly I think is mostly applicable to Dynasty 2

on five backfields that I think are underpriced and the Cowboys were included. And it was the first time I think I've ever written a positive thing about Ezekiel Elliott, but if I'm even backing an Ezekiel Elliott take, then it's clearly good take. Nick Fury wants to know Zeke over under 12 touchdowns. I'll say under.

I mean, I'm going to take the under. Yeah. I'll take under. If you gave me nine and a half, I'd go 10. So I take the over at nine and a half. A good line. Do I think that's an efficient line?

Do I think that Gus, he could Gus Edwards his way into the end zone 10 times? Absolutely. There's, there's going to be dynasty teams that are starting Gus and Zique at RB1 and RB2 all year for the collective price of like a third and a fourth. Yeah. They're going to be honestly just fine.

Like we talk about, and that's the edge. We talk about all the time. Don't invest in running backs. is a bad time here to invest in running backs. Like, why are you paying the iron price for a running back? I'm sorry, but if somebody were to tell me at the end of the year that Travis E.TN and Zeke Elliott both had like eight between 850 and 950 rushing yards, 10 touchdowns, and 45 to 50 receptions, I'd be like, okay.

Yeah, I mean, you can buy. It would surprise me. If you bought all of Zique, Dowdell, Gus, and Dobbins, for. like their collective ADP. I feel like you're probably getting two RB2s out of that somehow, some way. And you're not standing much for it.

I agree. And Zeke is just, again, RB 45 right now. I mean, I also agree with you on Doubtle. I mean, I'm also in on Doubtle. He is currently going. I just found him. RB 60. He's going after no knee Keaton Mitchell. No job. Rocheon Johnson.

need an injury Ty Chandler who I love on this program the Jaliel train looks like it's slowing down every day Antonio Gibson who we know is very much ass and not as metric ass football ass

so yeah I'm in I'm in on both of them take your shot and yeah I've 1,000% think that Z could be that dude this year it'll be ugly don't watch the games don't look at the score, don't watch the games. Like, if he's taking another snap, you know, snapping it from center, you don't want to know. You just want to look at the score at the end of the day.

And I think Zeke is going to make you very happy at the end of the day. Let's go Lucas, NFC's take as he goes in. Yeah, right now, I do really enjoy what you were saying, Jacob. I think Brian Robinson's criminally undervalued. and it's all just because they added in Austin Neckler and nobody knows what to do with it. But I would take the running back who's been consistently good. And I do consider Brian Robinson one of my bigger misses in terms of just looking at players because there was nothing special about him coming out of college.

He was just he was good at what he did and he didn't do anything great, but he was fine. And he's been fine in the NFL, but it's fine to the point that I think for like a 10 week period last season, was a top five running back. Like, it's just, it's absurd. So make sure you're still drafting him. And I was going to keep going on about the Washington commanders. Well, I'll change gears a little bit and talk about the New York football giants who broke my heart several times last season.

Whenever on our hot takes episode, I predicted them to be a top five offense in the NFL. Dear Lord, that was a brutal one. I don't know if I could have gotten more wrong, but that's okay. we're going to look at the glass as, you know, 15% full this season. All right. And that 15% is Malik Neighbors. And I think for where he's going right now at the turn in round three, he is the rookie wide receiver you want at cost.

Love Marvin Harrison, Jr. About as complete of a prospect as you can potentially have. But I think that the situation that Malik Neighbors is going into, because I don't think Brian Dable is a bad offensive play caller. I think he's going to find ways to get him involved, get him involved early, whether it's force feeding him on design play specifically for him or him just actually being good because he's a really good wide receiver prospect. He's really good whenever the ball gets in his hands about creating yards. That's somebody on what should be a bad offense on a team that should be down a lot. I think that he has potential to be a very sneaky wide receiver, high-end wide receiver two, low-in wide receiver one this season.

with plenty of runway moving forward. And you are not having to buy him right now at why I think his highest cost will be. Marvin Harrison, Jr. really can't get much higher in terms of what you're having to pay to draft him. Malik neighbor still can get higher. I think that's the rookie wide receiver you want. And we'll see. I'm not saying that the Giants are actually going to be gone offense this season. I don't want to make that mistake two years.

It doesn't have to be. Yeah, exactly. They do not have to be. and Malik neighbors can still be really good for your fantasy team, not just this season, but long term. So that's who I want from New York. JFN asked,

neighbors that she coat and PPR still seems like people don't still, still don't understand that a catch is as valuable as 10 yards, the way I see people talk about him. I agree. I think he's, I think he's great. I will say I think we're wasting time worrying about who's better, neighbors are Marvin,

right? They're both dynamic. I want both of them. So I think we're, wasting our energy there. I'll ask you this. Malik neighbors is being drafted as a wide receiver 10 in the early third and third round reversals. I don't think there should be as big a gap even between Marvin and neighbors. Here's the problem. There's four wide receivers going ahead. Let's see, I think I already know Jacob's answer to this. I know he's not Mr. Puka.

But should Malik neighbors be going after AJ Brown, Tyree, kill Garrett Wilson or Pooka and Akua now. If Marvin Harrison Jr. is. I mean, I would I consider neighbors in Harrison to be like where one should go is where the other should go to me. Agreed. So I view

Harrison as slightly overvalued in the market but also as a very scarce asset who looks to be elite and so I want to still have him, have shares of him on my teams. And I view neighbors as a slightly under

rated asset, not a massively underrated asset by any stretch, but as a player who has a pretty reasonable vision of being a round one startup type asset that you can still get. And so I think that's kind of where I view him. It's like not as much that I view him is underpriced. But, you know, some teams that I have, especially ones like you come, some of these teams, right, you come out of rebuilds. And I mean, Tom and I are going to start doing some of these videos on these more conceptual dynasty strategies for doing our first one right after we finish the show today.

But, you know, this is a common thing sometimes in Dynasty, either if your team is really good or if it's just kind of how you set up your team, where you start to not, you have assets, but you want to try and consolidate into a more elite piece. And neighbors to me is one of the pieces you can actually get in a way that some of these other guys aren't that has the potential to matter a lot. So that's kind of why I view him as a must buy is less about him being underpriced, but more about it's just it's an attainable asset with a pathway to being irreplaceable. you know, within within a couple of years. I've said before, Neighbors is my favorite college player that I've ever watched. That doesn't necessarily mean,

I think he's the best player that I've ever watched, but he's just the one that I personally enjoy watching the most. If any player in college, he's so ridiculously explosive. Yeah, he's another one of five reasons. I'm excited to watch football this year. Only five reasons? Sorry, I meant top five reasons. I was like, damn, you're like really jaded.

Sorry, that wasn't an anti-football take. That was a pro neighbor. Yeah. The only thing I'll add to this since I talked a lot in the first half of the show, it is actually a not. Dude, I just feel bad. People need it. Okay, fine.

Well, fine. I'll give you a take. It's not a dynasty take, though. But it's also not a best fall take, expressly not a best ball take. So that's a mistake. I'm not going to lie. No, this is just like a. normal like normie redraft take bleak neighbors goes in round six on like every redraft site right now

ESVN yahoo like it like i i understand that's not going to last because every analyst is going to be saying like draft moly neighbors like around ahead of ADP or two rounds ahead of ADP like for the next month until the season starts but yeah just just kind of what one of the most like transparently, like, ridiculous prices in all of redraft, at least as it stands right now. So, yeah, he's going to catch a ton of football this year. That's all kind of all I have to say. Yeah, we've been on the, obviously, like in our CIPCO communities, we've been on this, both in Dynasty of S fall for months and months.

But for some reason, Malik Neighbors is the one that, like, the redraft Normies haven't caught on to yet. Mm-hmm. I agree. I yeah I just that's what I just want to ask if like there should actually be this gap between the two and I'm with Jacob I don't think they're oh sorry I can weigh in there too yeah no I I I don't see a very significant gap between the two I even statistically like arguably statistically neighbors college profile is a little better in terms of analytics like you obviously want to pull that back a little bit with like some of the slot production and everything but yeah they're they're what what one A and one B really in whichever order you want. Yeah. So the reason I was asking that is because I've had people ask in the Discord,

would you trade like Marvin for neighbors? Like I would, again, just I would take whoever gets me anything. It could be like five fab. And it like they're, I agree, they're interchangeable at this point. There are two players that I don't care too much about what their cost is to acquire.

I'm just wanting to acquire. there must be some sick bestball marketing tactic to have best ball bros in every free draft league yeah i mean it it really is and then j jfn said same with dionte johnson's a dap is crazy uh low for a probable league winner i don't think we could spend much more time hammering um emering home more dante johnson amari cooper eighth ninth round wide receiver takes on the show between late round quarterbacks, which looks like it's happening again and late round wide receivers.

It's just like the late rounds is where you win your leagues, man. You just can't convince me otherwise. My second and the last NFC East take that I have, I have to bring it to Ferguson, Mr. Jake Ferguson, who over this weekend, I was perusing on Twitter

and I saw this individual, mentioned you know shout out FFB shot caller he says we do a thing called get the guy that scores points and this was interesting

to me after looking at how many points Jake Ferguson scored that Jake Ferguson was the individual that he went with and I'll tell you why after doing some digging in the fantasy points data suite I managed to find out that Jake Ferguson earned a lower target

percent than Darren Waller had a lower fantasy points per route run than Gerald Everett, Hunter Henry, and Johnny Smith. Not sure if you're excited about those guys. They also, he also have less upside in a tight end premium league than Taysom Hill in terms of games that exceeded 16 points last season. He is currently being drafted over Evan Ingram and David and Joko in Dynasty, which I think is insane. Tacking the fact that he was 12th and first downs per route run, yet a 0.20 target per

route run a 5.9a dot hilariously low while running 72.5% of the routes of a top three past heavy team in football. You know what coincided with all of his big games? Touchdowns. He is exactly like every other touchdown dependent volume merchant tight end. And I just furthermore had to add some context to the high quality target earner and athletic freak implying that big plays are in his current role in contrast to his actual draftable price. My favorite part about this is Tyler Conklin, the Concdady, whom I love, who is still way cheaper, was three touchdowns away. Now remember, he scored zero touchdowns, which is an anomaly.

Look at the list of tight ends that scored touchdowns last season. It's hilarious. It is, he had zero touchdowns. But Conklin was just three touchdowns away instead of zero from scoring. just as many points per game as old Jake Ferguson actually would have come out to there being more. And he was and is currently near free after having a Zach Wilson crapshoot team in New York. He had zero touchdowns.

That is so wild to me. But a guy like Tyler Conklin having the same points per game point upside on it's Conklin is not even on this Dallas offense. And now he gets Aaron Rogers. So three touchdowns is more than possible. Yes, I understand that Ferguson is in a phenomenal situation. And I understand that he could really progress and gain even more. But from everything that we've seen from this role in Dallas and its tight ends,

it is short. It is very much so not super high value in target. he does not, at least has not, put up the touchdowns needed to reach that pinnacle level of tight end and he has no business being drafted ahead of Injoku and Evan Ingram in my opinion. He's just another touchdown dependent, volume dependent non-difference making tight end in my opinion. Now the back half, I admit, was much better than the first half. I will give him that. that has been pointed out to me by Wizz appreciated that.

But his upside was still like Taysam Hill. There are four or five games, there's 16 or more fantasy points, the same thing that pretty much Taysom Hill gave you that year. So yeah, the floor might be a little bit better, but I'm not worried about floor at tight end. If I have to worry about like a five to seven point floor at tight end, I'm already fucked. So I want the upside and I don't see it.

So maybe I'm off on this Jake Ferguson. I know, Ryan, you and I briefly talked about it when these went out, but I don't. I don't see the top five, top four path that people, I've seen them like be called baby Kelsey because of what Kelsey did in his second year to what Ferguson did. And to me, it's insane to me that we're going to that level. And now he's going in the seventh round. I'm sorry, but round seven, Jake Ferguson, Titan nine, Jake Ferguson. I can't be a part of that.

I can't be a part of that. So am I wrong? Am I off? Let's open the floor. I know, Jacob, you had many strong Jake Ferguson takes. Yeah, I mean, I've written about Ferguson and I mostly agree with you. I think he's a pretty big outlier among the top 10 tight ends. If you look at his pedigree, if you look at his athletic profile, if you look at his target earning profile, you know, he's the one where it really looks like it's a situation-dependent bet.

and the situation is good, you know, so I'm out on him on all formats. I get it in season long, you know, if you want to sort of bet on the situation. I don't really get it in dynasty, right? Like him, I think it's just inarguable that he's an inferior talent profile to guys like Engerman and Joku. And I mean, hack, like, it's not like the cowboy situation is overly stable right now, right? I mean, if you. So just to rewind.

they've started the year, like, balanced to run heavy. Then they decided to become like a top two pass-rate team in the league coming out of their buy. Who's to say, like, I don't think it's likely, but who's to say they don't randomly change their mind again, like, eight weeks into this season? Right. Like Jake Ferguson is like not a startable fantasy asset. I've had this Cowboys rant a couple times this offseason. And it's, it's so, it's so indicative of how we feel. about situations like last year you know everybody was oh my god j you can't draft can't draft dac you can't

you can't you can't draft lamb you can't draft the cowboy's McCarthy he's gonna run the ball all he wants to run the ball they just want to run the ball um you know like and now last year they have this kind of weird year where it was a good offense but it was all on the shoulders of dac and see right both play all 17 games both have the best year they've ever had both together and individually. And now, you know, you hear people like, what, oh, the Cowboys, Van, Cowboys are a machine, you got to draft Cowboys,

can't be out on Ferguson, it's the Cowboys. It's like, what are the Cowboys really, right? Like, when we say you want to be attached to the Cowboys, we really mean two people, right? Like, we mean DAC and we mean Seedy, because their offensive line is kind of average now, right? They lost Tyrone Smith. The other pieces have generally regressed a little bit.

It's not a bad offensive line, but it's not a great one. Um, Cooks is, well, kind of like his name, right? Um, that, that, uh, that, that, that Patriots jersey is somewhere in the closet here, too, by the way. Oh, my. Yeah. Like, like, Jalen Jalen Tolbert is like failing upwards into the wide receiver three role, I guess. Um, you know, and then, and then you have guys like Ferguson, Zeeke and Dowdell who like,

nobody really thinks is all that great, but you're excited about the opportunity in front of them, right? Like, it could work, but it's pretty fragile. right like Mike McCarthy is was certainly more impressive last year than maybe we thought he would be but like as a guy last year was saying Mike McCarthy's probably not as bad as you think he is I'm not going to turn around and say he's Mike McDaniel right like I don't think he's a miracle worker I think that this offense is entirely dependent on DAC and CD staying healthy and falling the hell out and anything that changes right they play 80% as well as they did last year one of them gets hurt um for a few weeks uh it's kind of a house of cards to me so I I just think as far as like situations go, that being like treating the cowboys kind of in the same vein that we treat some of these other machine offenses is sketchy to me. And especially even more so in Dynasty

when the two guys that we're talking about as being the catalyst for this offense, neither of them have a contract for next year. So in terms of what we're looking at from a dynasty perspective, I don't have a clue what we're looking at from a dynasty perspective. I think he's one of those players. that are more acquireable outside of leagues. For the most part, if you went and approached a guy that already bought Jake Ferguson

like two years ago or even last year when he was after the 10th round and no one really knew anything, that guy probably already has two other tight ends in the same range. If you want to require Jake Ferguson, in my opinion, do it that way. Because I have a bunch of him. He was cheap. I loved on this podcast, Jacob can attest. I was Mr. Pro Jake Ferguson all last off season. I used him.

I used him with impunity every chance that I got in the weekly game that we played for player points. And guess what? He came through for me on those four to five weeks and never no time other than that. I can assure you as seeing as how I lost my lead in that game as the year went on. I had a substantial one. I think he's cheaper outside of startups and is what his current price is. if somebody's only willing to trade you Jake Ferguson at his current price, hang up the phone.

Go full eye yook and block that deal. Don't even, don't even answer. Just get out because I don't think it's worth it. Like, you've seen some of the players that go after Jake Ferguson at this point? I would rather Baker Mayfield, Mondray, cousins, Deshawn Watson, Evan Ingram, Terry McClure, David Injoku, Will Levis, Amari Cooper, Christian Kirk. Chris got I would just rather I would rather Christian Watson

than Jake Ferguson at his current price it's it's a lot and I'm not willing to pay it and the data kind of backs that up now watch him go out and have a top five season and fantasy receipts who was a part of that Twitter fucking chain is going to get a hold of it and I get it

my point was not saying that he's going to be absolutely terrible I don't think he's going to be either so don't hear what I'm not saying I think he's just going to be fine. And he's going to have some spike weeks. He's going to be like every other tight end that's not in the top five or six. Sporadic at best. And for me, give me who's cheaper.

As always, I'm going to get that tattooed across my forehead. Just give me who's cheaper. But that's it. That's the AFC and the NFC East. We got that done. We got five for five. We have a chance to get out of here within two hours. Now, if you missed last week's five for five, I was an absolute dog.

And I killed it. I don't know if I'm going to be able to repeat that. I've gotten DMs for many people on a Traylin Burke's call. I will admit, probably one of my top tier calls that I've ever made. That means, that means I'm going to be certified ass in this round. That's how it works.

It's not. Are you just covering yourself for the last time I was on the show? Is that what you're doing? Just try and make up excuses now so you don't get spanked that hard again. Not all college this time, Lucas. You fake. fantasy play and demigai, get out of here.

Scouting these dudes from high school, you psychopath. No, Jacob said they're all current players this week, so I'm gonna hope he meant it. And when we come- No, no. Last week, they were all current players. This week, they're not all current players.

Okay, then I have an even greater chance in my opinion. Sit tight, and we come back the best game in Dynasty Fantasy football. It's fantasy five for five. Sit tight. All right, for people who have not played along before, Jacob, let's run down the rules before we get into it. I'm officially tallying my win total at five.

I have five. Lucas has one and the chat has one. Ryan Heath needs to come through here before. I believe Derek Brown has one as well. Derek Brown does have one. That is correct. So then I would be at four. So Ryan, you're tied for fifth so far.

You're behind two other hosts who play, a guest host in the chat. Do you have any comment on that? No. I don't at all. Anyway. So anyway. Would you like to sing us us Wonderhall?

Please no. Okay. All right. Here's today's theme. We talked about the AFC East and the NFC East. This is a pretty big clue. All five of these players. Actually,

there's one little high, jinx in here. So it's all six of these players because there's one answer that we're looking for two different players and you're going to have to get both. All of them have all played for multiple teams in the AFC and NFC East. So the two divisions that we talked about today, they've all played for at least two AFC or NFC East teams in their career. Last week we did all current players this week will not be all current players. For those somehow unfamiliar with this game that are new to the program, five players, five clues. You get more points.

The more or the earlier that you answer. All right. Here is our first player and the first clue. I think it's the first time. Have we done this with three contestes for once maybe, once or twice? This is going to be interesting. Yeah, we had Derek. Yeah.

Right, right, right. With Derek on. Okay. All right. This player is. Sixth all, sorry. Yeah, this player is sixth all time in NFL rushing yards. We're starting with a pretty, pretty guessable clue this time.

Buzz. Yeah. I'm going to say LaShawn McCoy. Incorrect. Curtis Martin. That's correct. Five points for Tom. Oh, good job.

There we go. All right. I started with the Pats and was moved to the Jets. Ryan, we're doing, we're doing Patriots trivia here. This really has got a year. It's not. Not going to. Right off the bat with a five, though.

It's not going to help. I'm telling you, I'm on fire right now. I was expecting some pretty fast guesses on this one based on how restrictive the clue is with multiple AFCEs teams. All their fun, Curtis Martin's stats. It was in the Hall of Fame in 2012. Had 10 consecutive thousand-yard rushing seasons. Could you imagine that in today's NFL, a player with 10 consecutive thousand-yard rushing season? Absolutely crazy.

All right. My favorite thing about Curtis Martin, Curtis Martin was a running back that I loved watching. It was him and Fred Taylor that when I played football and I played running back, those were the two guys that I watched because I loved how they played. I will say nobody wore the old school multicolored elbow pads in Madden like Curtis Martin where he had the white with the green stripe down the side, the big nobody swagged out in like Madden 05 like Curtis Martin.

Nice. All right. This player, this player shocked the combine measuring in at 6 foot 5, 231 pounds as a wide receiver. 6.5-231 as a wide receiver. All right. No, okay.

I'm going to hold off. Anybody? I mean, if nobody guesses, then everybody can go. So anyone who wants to give a shot? All right. I'm going to pass. Okay.

This player was the eighth overall. all pick in the 2000 NFL draft coming out of Michigan State. I will never get this. Okay, cool. I don't feel bad anymore. I'm going to guess. Is it Plaxco-Barris? Wow.

All right. I didn't even have to get to the shooting themselves in the foot clues. That was pretty impressive. Damn. I forgot Park went to Michigan State. Damn. Wow. I'm still behind you, though, Thomas.

Yeah, I know. That's impressive. I was, honestly, I thought we were going to get to, like, a lot of, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. And then as soon as I mentioned shooting himself in the foot, we were going to get three quick buzzes. Lucas spoiled how I thought that was going to play out. I forgot about plaques.

Super Bowl legend. Sorry, Ryan. All right. Poor Ryan, bro. This is like my least favorite 30 minutes of the week. Like you guys are only making it worse. You don't have to continue to rub it in from like every different angle. I'm humor you guys and I fucking sit here for 30 minutes every single week and I let you guys beat up on me.

This is my, this is like my part of the program. I am the glue that like lets all of this happen. One of these years, one of these years you're going to win, what are these are going to win? And it's going to be a really big moment for us all. I'm going to give you such a long victory last speech. Can someone? I'm going to, no, I will feel so. I will feel like second hair and embarrassment when I win for even.

being happy about it. That's the problem. It won't be like a sweet victory at all. It's like the six year old that finally beats his father at like Checkers because he lets him win. That's how I'm going to feel if I ever win one of these. Can someone go and

clip like Ryan at the beginning talking about how he's not actually bad at trivia? We play that immediately after this. Yeah. Hope is just vanished from his eyes. Man, to think basically past trivia. It's five.

It's five. Five four. All right. Five four. Okay. This quarterback was a round one pick out of Marshall. Oh, Chad Pennington.

Wow. You have like unreal college recollection. Yeah. Honestly, I was coming for Chad Pennington and then Lucas went nuts first. Even I knew that one. All right. I got to stop doing these college clues because Lucas is doing.

I know you're great at college now. I had no idea you were this locked in. So, Chad Payton is also from... 25 years ago. So Chad Pinkton's also from East Tennessee. So that one just stays up here. Yeah.

It's just like... The only quarterback to go in round one from Marshall, I think, other than like maybe Byron Leftwich. I don't know if which was our first round quarterback or not. I think he was definitely first round quarterback. I didn't even know he went to Marshall. Yeah, he took his leg and they carried him upfield. Oh, well, shout out.

Chad Pennington. Other fun fact about Chad Pennington is a few, but he was the most fun to me. He won the comeback player of the year twice in a three-year span. Yeah. Insane. Wow. One with the jets, one with the dolphins. That's correct. All right. Nine to five for Lucas. Okay. We're going on to the next guy here. Number, what do we do? We're through three. We have two more left. Okay. I'm going to try to change up the order of the clues here, so I don't just keep giving Lucas three college points. Okay, this player retired with a career record of 98 and 95 as a starting quarterback.

98 and 95, the career starting quarterback. All right, can I guess? I'm going to say test a verdict. Get out of my fucking brain, Lucas. Is that it? Incorrect. Incorrect. He could have occupied a pretty similar space in my brain.

So that's a very good guess. Is exactly who I was thinking. He would fit the clue. He would fit the clue. All right, I can't, I guess I threw my guess out. Also, former Raven, Vinnie Testiverty, as I have his original starting lineup action figure in my home. Okay.

Just like Vinny Testa Verdi, these two guys have a remarkably similar career. Just like Vinny Testa Verdi, this player was also a first overall pick in the NFL draft. Man, I can't remember. But I'm not going to tell you what college you had to do anymore because otherwise Lucas is just going to fucking get it, apparently. I, 98 and 96 record as a starting quarterback in the NFL

and that division could be so many players. I want to guess. I think he was better than that. Mark Brinell. Incorrect. Ryan, got anything?

On a New York team, I couldn't remember which one. I'm just going to read the guess side of the chat because I think it's funny. Drew Bloodsoe. you got it there we go wow yeah get that one the chat don't give me that one at all uh well are you know people have been taking the chats advice for a long time on the show it's the same rule that i've been giving for everybody

which is i'm deducting one point from you i'm giving it to the chat but you get to keep the rest three points for ryan one to the chat nine five three was disappointed uh i was going to get the perfect past trivia question in there we're going to get the mo lewis clue uh next so um too bad By the way, Lucas, you want to tell us where Drew Bledso went to college? I actually don't know that one. I'm sorry. Washington State University, go coogs. All right, we're at 9531.

And I don't need to make this one double points because it's already double points because there's two players that is the answer to this question. So you have to get them both. So you have to be strategic because if you guess one correctly, I'm not going to give you the points. So if you think you have one, but you're not sure if you have the other one, you might want to hold on to your guess. I'm also not going to confirm if you've gotten the right ones until both are correct, but you might tip somebody else off. Does that check out to everybody? All right. Okay. These two players played on the same college team and were drafted

in back-to-back drafts just one pick apart overall. Oh, boy. I think I understand how you're going with this question. Yeah, so they weren't actually drafted back to back, but they were drafted in back to back drafts and back to back draft slots and on the same team together in college, but not in the same draft. All right. Anyone? No.

Okay. One of these players was traded to the Dallas Cowboys for two first round picks. The other one was traded to the Dallas Cowboys for one sixth round pick. Hmm. Damn. That's crazy. That's crazy. That is a crazy question.

And remember, of course, both have played for multiple AFC and NFC East teams. All right. We're going to clue number three. Both ended up on the cowboy. Combined, these two players had 10, 1,000-yard seasons. One of them had seven years in between thousand-yard seasons. The other had six years in between thousand-yard seasons.

Damn. Old school football was one. I want, oh, my. my God. Oh my God. I feel like I've heard this at trivia. The in-between thousand-yard season. I have one.

I can't get the other. Oh my gosh. This is killing me. Okay. I think I have one too, Lucas. Do you want to go back to back here? No, because I have no idea who the other one is. Like no inkling.

I don't know who the other one is either. And I'm not sure if the one I have is right. But we each got to go for it. We're going to get down to one. and no one would have gone. I know. I got to wait. I have no idea.

Okay. Can I take two guesses? So you can you can guess, but I'm only going to tell you if you're right on both. I'm not going to tell you if you're right on one of them. Okay. I'll go Terrell Owens and Joey Galloway. Okay. The guess is incorrect.

Damn. And I'm not going to tell you whether it's O for two or one for two. All right. Both of these players' first name ends in Y. And both of their last names start with the same letter. I'll even be more specific. Both of their first names end in Y, and both of their last names, start with G. Jesus Christ, this question is insane.

These guys have a lot in common. I can't go, so. I mean, I was very much wrong on my thoughts with that. Wow. That's what you get. It's supposed to be helping each other out. I don't know. I don't know.

You haven't said what the college is, so I'm out of it. I have no. I'll give you the college. I'll give you the college. Ohio State University. Kevin, I said it was Terry Glenn too and incorrect. Because it ends in a G. No, no, I said it starts with a G.

Oh, oh, oh. I said both first names end in Y. I'll take a chapter. Terry Glenn and Joey Galloway. Yep. Yes, that is the correct answer. I mean, you couldn't guess, but that's okay, Thomas. Oh, that's true.

Isaac Orando. That was the last round I couldn't. That was the last round I couldn't. Nobody gave any other hints. No, it doesn't matter anyways. You guys have taken it all the way to round five. So Tom had a four point lead, even if Lucas had got that, it would have been not. I had the four point.

He had the four point lead. He had the four point lead? Yeah. Wait. Oh, well, then Lucas wins anyway. So then it doesn't, either way, it doesn't matter. I won. That was a really good question.

Holy cow. You know who I had, you know who I had lined up for this question? I thought there was only one way Jacob was going to go with a two-player question in this. And I thought it was what team or what two receivers were traded for one another within the like the same division. And I already had typed out Santana Moss and Laverneous Coles because for some reason the only two players I remember being. Oh, yeah. AFC East to NFC. East. That's a great.

And they swap multiple in my, if I remember correctly twice. for each other. Wow, that would have been a just call. I'm kind of annoyed that you gave that you gave that away. That would have been a good use of the future. But I was like, of course. I've been waiting my whole white to use this for TV. I could have made this all duos.

I could have done Vinnie Testaverdi and Drew Bledsoe because they have a million things in common. I could have done holes and moss. We could have done Galilee and Glenn. Well, Lucas, you have a somewhat anti-clan. That's the first time that someone's, ever won without, I think, getting the last question. Do you have any words for the audience here?

I feel slightly dirty by it, but it's always nice to Best Thomas and something. So, you know, I'll take the win. That's a win for me. You have no idea. Would you be less miserable if you, would you be less miserable if you hosted the five for five next week? Man, I'm going to be honest. I've checked out and I've been tweeting about Ken Walker for like the last few minutes.

That's how I just take. take the edge off the misery. Yes, I just won't. You know how many Super Bowls you got with Tom Brady? You can suffer for a while. Just sit there. It's fine. I was only like sentient and remembering like two of those, okay?

Or only only two Super Bowl. Not the first three. What exactly is your age? I'm 24. I was not like sentient in 2001. You're like, sorry. You're like three years. is younger.

Not lying. Like, I just told them. Yes, I was tweeting about Ken Walker. Ken Walker instead of playing five for five for the people. There is no cap.

Like, your complaints are noted to catch passes this year, guys. Why aren't we talking about this on the show right now? I think we're going to the West soon. All right. We're now reaching the bonus portion of. You know what?

No one is going to be locked in, Ryan, is that we're going to actually make the five or five actionable in season in which it's going to be the my plan is to do clues that mix in things that had just happened the previous week in statistical form. I'm screwed. And so that's when you might be a little bit more locked in. I don't think we're going to do entirely that because that would ruin all the fun of me

knowing things about Terry Glenn and Joey Galloway and other assorted mid-90s receivers. But we'll be mixing in some current. statistical. All right, before we get out here, quick dynasty trade. George Kittle and Travis E. Tan or Jaden Daniels in a 25 third. Go, quick fire. Really close trade. That's why I said quick fire. And we still can't get that out right. Can you repeat that? What?

Yeah, just say it's like, Travis Eton or 15% slower. George Kittle or Travis E.N. or Jaden Daniels in a 25 third. I'll take Daniels, I think. Okay. Probably the right answer. Like I, I'm not really, I'm not, a Daniels fan really

but that's probably the correct answer just from like odds are Kittle and ETN are going to be less value next year than they are now Daniel's probably a pretty safe bet to retain at least for one year. Yeah that's the right answers. Daniel's in a third anytime you're not having to give up a quarterback

to get a quarterback especially one of their caliber it's tough to go against that. Literally only asking because I opened up a league when I saw a notification and that deal got done in a league that I'm in. So I had to ask. So shout out to you, her G-168 for your acquisition of Jane Daniels.

Also, I do want to point out that Uncle Ted, just like all over our Twitter, our YouTube page, insisting that Cade Stover is this here, Sam Laporta. He makes a good case for him. So I hope that works out for you. And he says Moss, Vodal, Dowdowell Estimate,

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