Fantasy Football Daily - Post NFL Combine Dynasty Rookie Rankings With Theo Gremminger And Brett Whitefield

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

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I'm Theo Greminger with Brett Whitefield for fantasy points. We're talking about our dynasty rookie rankings. We did this a few weeks back, Brett, but now we have all sorts of information dump. The NFL Combine was awesome. If you want to listen to our Combine Winners and Losers, we dropped that podcast already. But today we're talking about rankings. Specifically, we're talking about positional rankings. And we're actually going to expand on it a little bit.

Running backs, we're going to reveal the top. top 12. Wide receivers, we're going to reveal the top 12. And then we're going to do, I don't know, top five, top six for tight ends, Brett. We'll keep it, keep it tight ends. And of course, quarterbacks were not going to go too crazy. But running backs and wide receivers, I had some movement. I know you had some slight tweaks. You ran pure on your pre-combine rankings. I did make a few adjustments here and there. But Brett, my big question for you is, who is your biggest rankings riser post-NFL combine. Yeah, it's kind of funny because there wasn't a ton of movement, man.

I was pretty dialed in this year and think the things I thought I knew about guys I already knew. So Quinshot Judkins, though, probably the biggest riser. He went from RB6 to me to RB4, leapfrogging Caleb Johnson and Damien Martinez there. So I guess his game is what I thought it was, but I think he's got a little more ceiling than I initially thought with the athleticism there at that size. I think I think that's really, really attractive. And so when I re-ran the numbers, you know, with the athletic measurables put in, he actually checked more benchmarks in my system than I thought he would. So

he bumped them to RB4 here. Yeah, Judkins, we talked about as a combine winner. And when you put this sort of level of production, the sample size being three seasons, the early breakout age, sort of the Teflon profile that he brings to the pros. He's a difficult one to see like failing and being a bust. I think he's a very safe pick at the running back position. But when you put that into context with the athleticism numbers that we saw at the combine, you're talking about a guy who might get top 40 NFL draft capital. So sort of the enthusiasm for Caleb Johnson draft capital-wise should shift over to Quinchon Judkins.

Judkins, it was also a riser for me. But for me, I'll say that my most significant riser, we talked about him on the winner's show. I know you already had him pretty much higher than anybody in the fantasy industry, R.J. Harvey, for me, he moves up. He was in my top 10. Now he's my RB6. But this year, RB6 is like, RB6 is like really, really good this year. Like RB6, to me, I think RJ Harvey, I've seen some people still projecting him to go on day three. I think that's completely false. R.J. Harvey is going to be a round two pick. I think when it's all set and done, someone's going to pull the trigger in round two. You talk about the most, the second most

runs over 15 yards in college football this past season was R.J. Harvey right behind Ashton Genty. We saw the receiving prowess that he displayed down at the Senior Bowl and that unbelievable production just in terms of a two year sample size there. Then you put that into context with the athletic numbers that we saw. Some team's going to fall in love with that profile. Brett, you've talked about the NFL team sort of chasing big plays. It's a perfect time for RJ Harvey to be draft eligible this season. And then for me, Matthew Golden, who I already had in my top five wide receivers,

but he moves up solidly to wide receiver three for me. Golden, I think, can be the first wide receiver taken off the board. And I know there's now this new argument. It's so funny how these things work, Brett. I read an argument that, oh, I actually dislike Matthew Golden now because he's the fastest wide receiver. And sometimes the fastest wide receiver in the class has, you know, a poor hit rate. But then you put that in the context where Golden didn't play like a 429 guy.

But now we know it's in the bag. I had a chance to podcast with our friend Cody Carpenter who covers Texas football for Orange Bloods. And he sort of talked about the same thing we did where we thought golden was going to be like a 4-4-5 guy. So now we know he's exceptionally fast on top of the profile we already liked. Golden definitely moves up for me. So let's let's let's start any anything to add on the Golden take and the RJ Harvey take.

Yeah, I was already there with Harvey, as you mentioned. The Golden thing is crazy because I see the arguments happening too. And Scott Barrett, when we do film versus analytics, he will make this argument with me. But go look at the hit rate of, of, of, Severs who run sub 4-3. It's like Santana Moss all the time. That's it. Yeah.

So like it's funny. And it's, I think the reason for that is usually guys that are really, really fast, they don't ever develop skills beyond their speed because they don't have to at the college level. They just blow by everybody. And I think what you said was perfect.

We didn't see 429 with Matthew Golden. He was a mid to high four threes guy for me, but he's an exceptional route runner. He's a phenomenal ball tracker. And he's got really, really good body control. And so I think, you know, I have hoped that this is the first one that will really go big. So I think some of the red flags that you typically get with that speed wide receiver profile just aren't there. And so I'm going to be a Matthew Golden guy until the day I die.

Yeah. And we just need to look back like, you know, and I know that Scott's research is extensive and goes way, way, way back on these sort of things. But if we look at the recent guys that were like the super fast profiles, not 429, but wide receivers that had, you know, quote unquote, exceptional speed. Jalen Waddle gave us several years of high-end fantasy production. It could bounce back this year. Never tested, but he was one. People, Jalen Waddle, though, like, there were people that swore by the exceptionally fast 40 time. Like, give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think NFL teams were treating him like a 4-3-flat type guy. For sure. Jameson Williams hit last year, a little later. than we wanted, but still gave us the wide receiver two season last year, only 23 years old. And then we can go back and forth here, Brett, because I know you had a couple problems with how he did it, but Xavier Worthy has gone in Fuego this year. So we will say the fantasy community is much higher on Xavier Worthy than the tape grinder, Brett, right here. But Xavier Worthy, like, that's a profile last year where the fast guy gets drafted and the fast guy just put up a

ridiculous stat line in the Super Bowl. So I have recency bias on my side, Brett. That's all that matters right now in the evaluative process. You really go in Super Bowl stat line when most of that was in garbage time when they're down 30 points? Who cares? That was fake. Fake production. Semi fake production.

Xavier Worthy still, let's put it like this. Last year, Xavier Worthy gets drafted at a reasonable price in Dynasty rookie drafts. And you've gained value on Xavier Worthy. Can we agree on that one? Like the trade equity. Trade them. And a little bit of a sneak preview. Brett is going to be on dynasty points.

Make sure you're subscribed to dynasty points as well. And I'd like to hear you and Tom and the team over there have a little Xavier worthy discussion. So that'll be a fun one. Make sure you're subscribed to dynasty points. Awesome stuff. Let's talk about the quarterbacks. Let's get this one out of the way.

I think we want to spend the least amount of time on the quarterback position. I'll say for me, we revealed our losers yesterday. Will Howard drops out of my top five quarterbacks. The dream is dead. Will Howard had a poor combine. And I think at the end of the day, hey, maybe some team might think he's a starter and draft him on day two.

I think that ship is sailed. So why don't you go ahead, give us your top five quarterbacks post-combine. Was there any change here? Yeah, there's a little movement. This one's going to surprise you, actually. My top three are the same. I got Jackson Dark, Cam Ward and Chatur Sanders.

We don't need to rehash the combos on all those guys, right? Like, it is what it is at this point. Everyone knows I'm a Jackson Dark guy, whatever. At four, I have Tyler Shuck, which I'm not sure we've talked about him since the senior bowl. Going into Senior Bowl week, I had not had a lot of exposure to his tape. I kind of, I kind of wrote him off because he's 27 years older, 26 years old or 26 years old or whatever. I think week three of this season, he'll be 26. So 26-year-old rookies typically bad profiles, right?

but then I put on the tape and I was fascinated. This guy has a lot of skill, like a really big time arm, you know, amazing ball location at times. He can get hot and it feels really good and he's a good athlete. So got a nice profile there. So QB4 for me and then your guy,

Jalen Milrow actually slid up. And once the numbers came out, he was my QB5 still. Now I'm pretty out on Jalen Milrow and I think if you look at that next cluster of guys for me, which is Milro, Kyle McCord. and Will Howard, they all score really similarly.

Gun to my head, I'd probably pick Kyle McCord. I think he's a safer. I don't want to be the team that drafts Stalen Milrow and makes that mistake, especially if you hear, like, there's a lot of chatter that he's still going to be a high second round pick, and I just don't get it. So, but Milro is my QB5 via my system. I have to be true to my system. Yeah, I mean, Milro doesn't move for me.

I'll get my top, I'll get my top three out of the way here. For me, it's Cam Ward. it's looking more and more likely that Ward is going to be drafted ahead of Shadur Sanders. Shadurr Sanders at two, Jackson Dart at three for me, then a tier break. I think the big three quarterbacks, we still continue to believe Jackson Dart will be a first round pick in the NFL draft with confidence. There's going to be, I think, a lot of people who are going to get in trouble with where

they're ranking Jackson Dart. There's some big sites out there that are down on him. We'll get into that another time. That's a whole other pod. but Jalen Milrow at four, this is one where will he be a long-term starter in the NFL? I'm not sure about that. But will he be in my starting lineup for my fantasy team any single time he's starting? Absolutely, because this is a guy with speed, explosiveness, and that rushing ability insulates fantasy scoring productions.

So Jalen Milrow, if he falls to a point in your dynasty rookie drafts where he ends up becoming a value pick, and the opportunity cost is there, you might end up getting a guy who's going to give you multiple QB1 weeks. So for me, Milro stays in at QB4. And Brett, we've talked about this before. Like, you don't need 32 teams to like Jill and Milro, but all it takes is one who wants to sort of build around him. And I'll say that there's a little rumor out there

that a certain QB whisperer is interested in Jill and Milro, Las Vegas Raiders, that second round pick, taking Jill and Milro, in a Chip Kelly offense. You know, Brent, come on. There's no way. Okay, just it's out there. It's, we'll continue to follow these rumors.

That'll be a, that would be a really, really fun one, kind of the, to melt faces with a quarterback with mobility, getting into a chip Kelly offense with a coach who's had success with multiple quarterbacks. So let's not let's, we'll galaxy brain that one another time. And then for me, my QB5, and we didn't even go over this before the show, Tyler Shuck. Tyler Shuck is, looks like he's going to be, at the very least, a guy that's treated as a high-end backup. And I love seeing him run that 40. I mean, the athleticism is there as well. Like, people are calling him White Lightning, or is he calling himself White Lightning, which is, you can't really give yourself the moniker White Lightning. But the guy ran a sub 4-740.

And again, this was at the Senior Bowl. We did talk about him on our Senior Bowl podcast because he had a couple of good moments there. and kind of stood out from the crowd at the senior bowl. So Tyler Shuck is there for me at QB5. I'm going to just quickly get one more rumor guy, quick notion on this. There's some Quinn Ewer's rumors out there. I don't know if this is where these are coming from,

but Quinn Ewers falls in where in your top 10, 12 QBs? He's QB8, and that's strictly because no one behind him is any good. And like last year's class, he probably would have been like 12. Yeah. Quinn of yours is probably the most disappointing player in college football history. Yeah, I think that's about right. Red Hot Prospect, the huge NIL deal surrounded by obscene amount of talent in multiple schools. For me, I will put yours somewhere in like the 6-7 range because I think some team might pull the trigger.

But again, this would be an outcome where. the only, like, it's a reflection of the lack of quality in this class more so than the quality that Quinn Eweris brings. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to reveal our running back rankings. This Giving Tuesday, Cam H is counting on your support. Together, we can forge a better path for mental health by creating a future where Canadians can get the help they need when they need it, no matter who or where they are. From November 25th to December 2nd, your don't will be doubled. That means every dollar goes twice as far to help build a future where no one's

seeking help is left behind. Donate today at camh.ca.ca.com. Welcome back to Fantasy Points. Theo Griminger and Brett Whitefield going over our post-combine dynasty rookie rankings. Brett, let's get it started. I'll say this. I'm pulling my hair out trying to accurately rank running backs. when I get to like RB9 to 15, there's guys that I don't have in my top 12 here that I feel terrible about not having. But I think that we want to add a little bit of context here. How many running backs do you think are selected by the end of day two? Because I think we might have like nine running backs off the board by the time we get

to the end of the third round this year, potentially more. Your thoughts. So I officially have 12 running backs. Ironically, we're about to do our top 12. I have 12 running backs with the day one or two grade. I think you're right about nine where probably get drafted, which means someone's going to get some value in the fourth round there on some of these guys. But then after my 12, I have one, two, three, five running backs that I like.

Like I really like after my top 12. So this is an insane class. It can't be overstated. This is an absolutely nuts class. Yeah. And I think that when we start talking about your projections for 12, I mentioned nine. Let's split it in the difference. Let's say that there's 10 guys drafted by the end of day two at the running back spot.

That's like that's an absurd number. But there's a chance that it ends up being like 13, 14, because Brett, we've seen these situations at other positions, wide receiver, cornerback, defensive tackle, in other draft classes where these guys start flying off the board. And it's like a gravitational pull where somebody's going to say, I don't want to wait and risk it and use my fourth round pick. I'm going to move into round three. And it's sort of, you could see it now.

Let's say that there's two running backs off the board by pick 22 in the first round. Maybe one sneaks into the end of the first. Somebody maneuvers to get there, that RV3. Then the second round becomes an RB round. The third round becomes RB cleanup. And you could end up seeing a positional run where we get like four running backs drafted within 10 picks like we've seen in the past at wide receiver, cornerback, other positions that are usually steamed up.

The NFL recognizes the quality of this running back class. And also, I think, not to get to Galaxy Brain, the lack of running backs last year and the lack of running backs next year with this sort of quality. This is the class. So teams are going to walk away from it. You might even see some teams drafting two running backs out of this same class if they're running back needing. So really, really fun one. Let's get it started, though. Yeah, do you want to go first?

you want me to go first. I can go first. Doesn't matter. Go for it. Let's lay it on us. All right. So like I said, not a ton of movement from the combine, but I don't know that we've done a top 12 yet. So here we go. Ashton Genti, number one, Omarian Hampton, number two. RJ Harvey's still at number three for me. Quinchan Judkins, the big riser, Ohio State, number four. Caleb Johnson drops to five. Damien Martinez drops to six. Ollie Gordon at seven And I probably might be the highest in the industry on him

Who too, by the way? Trayvion Henderson at 8 Byshal Tutin at 9. Cam Scadabo at 10 for me. DJ Giddens, another big riser actually at 11. We've exchanged some DMs about him. And then Brashad Smith, my SMU guy at 12. And I got an honorable mention the next five

because these guys are sweet. Devin Neil, Woody Marks, LeQuint Allen, Taj Brooks, Jarrez, Hunter, Dylan, Samson. I mean, dude, this list is insane. It's incredible. And it also shows like the disparity that we have between where I have Dylan Samson ranked and you do. And it's not because you dislike Samson. It's kind of because of the other guys.

So I'll get this started for mine. And then we can kind of have a little conversation because I want to follow up with you on and get your thoughts on Giddins. And I also want to talk a little bit about Rashard Smith with you because he was another riser for me. But for me, it's Ashton Gentie, the RB1. Omarian Hampton, the RB2, Quinshawn Judkins, the RB3, Trayvion Henderson at RB4, Caleb Johnson at RB5,

runs the 4-5-740, but we sort of discussed that on the winners and losers. At his weight, this is hardly a red flag. It's more of being punitive because these other guys are awesome in front of them. RJ Harvey, we talked about earlier, my RB6. I'll go Dylan Samson at 7,

and I'll say this, Brett. I think that him coming in and weighing 200 pounds for me was a big one. I think he could be on a James Cook-like path with how NFL teams view him draft capital-wise. Damian Martinez at RB8, Basial Tutin at RB9. Brashard Smith, I move up to RB10. So he was a riser for me. We talk about big playability. We talk about speed.

We'll get into Smith in a minute. Ollie Gordon at RB 11 fell a little bit for me. And I still am very high on him. I still had a 100 speed score, 4-6 at his size is fine. Then at RB12, it's a tie. I'm going to cheat here. Cam Scatabo and DJ Giddens. DJ Giddens absolute freak athletically.

And then I wrote in a note, Devin Neal drops for me and becomes a value, just because I'm sad that I have to drop Devin Neal down because I really, really like him. So let's talk about a couple guys here. Okay. First, let's talk DJ Giddens, because we haven't really discussed him.

This is a player that had absolutely freaky, freaky numbers. And then the production at Kansas State, very, very strong. This is a guy who coming in, you know, had 1,300 rushing yards, six and a half yards per carry, seven touchdown scores. There was sort of a DJ Giddens hive. Then he backs it up with really, really strong testing numbers. If there was no basal Tutin in this draft class, I think DJ Giddens would have a lot more attention on him with just the raw athleticism.

Your thoughts on him as a player. Yeah, we exchanged DMs about him when I first started watching him. The thing that stuck out to me right away, elite vision, like arguably best vision in the class, his patience, the pace he runs with. It's like Levyon Bell-ish, where it's like he is a really patient runner, good vision. And sometimes when guys are really patient like that, you end up taking a lot of losses in the backfield because, you know, things go awry and you can't adjust. His burst, though, is so good.

He gets himself out of some bad situations sometimes. So I think that vision profile combined with the burst, those are two premium traits for me. That gives him a really high floor as a player, especially with the size. He's got bel cow potential because, gosh, what, back-to-back seasons with over 250 touches. And then my favorite part, he had one fumble. Yeah. In the last 500 touches, that's unheard of.

So, I mean, ball, you know, teams will. love him more than I think the community will because ball security, burst, vision, scheme diversity, all those, he checks all those boxes. We talk about the big play stuff. He's got potential for big plays too. You know, I think his tackle breaking potential in the NFL is a little limited. He's got, he's a really long strider, struggles to, you know, keep his feet underneath of him and make, you know, quick cuts in the open field. But I think at the line of scrimmage, he, he runs through arm tackles really, really well and kind of play through contact a little bit. So I think he's a really good player overall. Yeah, get into,

is an interesting one because, you know, you talk about the production. We've talked about this on our winners and losers show. When a guy tests very well and then we can put it in context with elite production, that's different than just chasing the raw athleticism. Giddens is one where I think NFL teams are going to steam him up. I think with this sort of testing numbers and that sort of production, he's probably also one of these guys we're talking about on day two. And then we're kind of doing mental gymnastics in that one week

between the NFL draft and most dynasty rookie drafts with having to sort of re-rank based on the landing spots. That's going to be an unbelievably fun week for us at fantasy points trying to sort out these landing spots. But Giddens is one to definitely keep an eye on. Now, Breschard Smith moved way up for me. Breschard Smith, 43940 on top of what we saw in Mobile. And then, you know, the special team's background at Miami,

where he looked explosive as a kick returner combined with his with his history as a wide receiver. And, you know, these guys are not necessarily the same guy. But we've had a really strong recent track record on what running backs who converted from wide receiver and then had draft capital. Antonio Gibson gave us a RB1 season out the gate for Washington. And then last year with Tyrone Tracy, you know, that again, Tracy. older and Tracy had the one year sample size of course at Purdue after playing wide receiver at Iowa. But Brachard Smith with that athletic testing number, he's at the very least, I think some team is going to view him as a committee back with juice and use him in the passing down role

and get him high value touches. But then Brett, you talk about the volume he was able to absorb this year at SMU and the production he was able to have, and they put that into context with the strong senior bowl and the athletic testing numbers. For me, Breschard Smith is really fantasy friendly. And if we have to pick like a potential guy to go full on Bucky Irving this year and just land well and put up fantasy numbers, it might be Breschard Smith. Yeah, I think that's fair.

You know, I've said this a few times, but he's got one year at running back. He's going to get better playing that position. I think early in the season, you saw him not be super contact friendly. You know, you'd avoid contact, kind of pick some weird running lanes. Then as the season went on, he got more and more comfortable as a running back. And it's a totally different position of the wide receiver, obviously. So the one thing that kind of kept me from really bumping him was just the weight, 194. He'll probably play a little heavier.

I think he cut down a little bit to run that sub 440. But, you know, what is the ceiling for a guy like that? He's going to get high value touches, as you always say. But at some point, I don't know that his workload is ever going to look like what we want it to in the NFL. Yeah, I think that's very fair. I think that the chances of him ever being a top 10 RB touches guy is completely out the window when you draft him. But we have seen success with these sort of sub 200 pound profiles hitting more and more often. And I think it's, it's, Breschard Smith, I think what we want is we want him for him to get into a backfield committee with sort of a guy.

who takes those sort of empty calorie touches, you know, a kind of a meat shield, you know, guy who grinds out attached to him. And then we have Smith in the in the past catching role and maybe gets eight to 10 carries a game on top of that. That could be, you know, you start talking about like Jerich McKinnon for Kansas City. These sort of roles, I think, are in the wheelhouse for Smith. So definitely a riser for us or for me specifically. And yeah, I mean, we could do a whole other show here on running backs 12 through 25 and it would still be some interesting ones. Again, check out our Combine winners and losers. We talked about guys like Taj Brooks.

A few other running backs made that show. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're doing the whole thing over again, top 12 wide receivers. And these wide receivers, they ran very, very well at the Combine. This is going to be a fun one. It's week three of Canadian tires early Black Friday sale. These prices won't go lower this year. Maybe too long.

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Please feast responsibly. Welcome back, Theo Greminger and Brett Whitefield for fantasy points, getting you ready to crush your leagues this year with the best rookie information in the fantasy industry. Wide receivers, Brett, this was a positional group that I would say the two of us have been higher on than several other sites, just in terms of the depth and the potential quality and the potential for multiple players to get strong draft capital. This was a win for us with the NFL Combine. Tett McMillan doesn't participate,

but we had a number of other guys just hitting. So your overall take on this wide receiver class, and then why don't you reveal your rankings? Yeah, this class, it's not as good as what we've seen recently, but that's not because of a lack of depth. There's just not a bunch of guys at the top that are studs, last year we had, you know, what, five legit studs, six legit studs, including Pierceall and McConkey.

The year before that, we had four guys going a row in the first round. So we just don't have that top end talent. I do like a lot of these guys, though, and I think there's, you know, in most drafts, the last four years, we've been getting like 17.5 guys drafted day one and day two. I think this year we might get 12, but that's naturally going to fit with the running back class being so strong. So anyways, my top 12 here. Ted McMillan stays at the top, Arizona wide receiver.

He's just an absolute stud. I don't get the dissenting opinions on him. It is what it is. And then Ellick Ayuminoor, he's been my wide receiver two since the beginning. And he put up a great combine. He stays put at wide receiver two. Jalen Knoll stays put at wide receiver three. He tested as an absolute freak.

We spent a lot of time talking about him on the Combine Winners and Losers show. Please go check that out. Matthew Golden stays as my wide receiver four. He, you know, he tested a little faster. And I thought I'm not giving him a bump for that because I thought he was a speed type receiver. Anyways, a mecha, Egbuka stays as my wide receiver five. He did no testing, but I think the floor with him is really, really high. I've comped him to a Rashi Rice type, a little bit of a Michael Thomas even, kind of a power slot,

yards after catch kind of guy. At wide receiver six, I got Jack Besh, TCU. At wide receiver seven, I have Jaden Higgins. He jumped a couple spots, but again, he was a guy I liked. pre-senior bowl. I know I talked a lot about him on Dynasty points, actually. You know, he's a really, really good player. That X profile, I think teams are going to love him because the size, speed,

hands combo that he brings at the table. Luther Burden at wide receiver 8. I'm a little lower on him than most. He's got a really flimsy production profile. I don't see a lot of translatable traits of the NFL right now. He's going to have to develop, and that could be a scary ride. Jalen Royals, Utah State. I kind of intentionally put, oh, I'm sorry.

Sorry, I misspoke here. Isaiah Bond is wide receiver 9 for me, Texas wide receiver. He plays faster than he timed. Everyone thought he'd run really, really fast. The GPS data says he should be really, really fast. You see the pullaway speed. It's evident. Jalen Royals, Utah State, as my wide receiver 10.

I think this guy is a phenomenal yak player, but the thing that's really impressive with this tape is his release package and his route running. You didn't get to see a ton of it, but there's glimpses that's awesome. And then we saw him kind of doubled down on that, down on that at the senior bowl and he was fantastic. Wide receiver 11, Savion Williams, TCU. This guy's kind of just a big stinking freak.

Weird movement skills, weird agility for a guy his size. He didn't run quite as fast as I had hoped. But again, the GPS data on him is nuts and I'm going to just fall back on that. Ty Felton, Maryland wide receiver to round it out at wide receiver 12. He's a guy I've kind of liked through the whole process, scored really well for me before the combine. then as we put the combine numbers in, I think he bumped up a couple spots. So he's probably the biggest riser at wide receiver,

getting from like wide receiver 14 or 15 to wide receiver 12 here. Yeah, no, I love it. And I think we have a lot of similar names in our top 12, but some disparity in where they're ranked. Tet McMillan for me, wide receiver one. And we'll talk about Tet after we go through this, because I don't understand the, the Tet haters are coming out in droves. it feels like this week, Brett, but we'll talk about him in a minute.

But Tet, are both of our wide receiver one overalls, a me at wide receiver two. We've talked about his potential as a Rashi Rice in the pros, power slot. I think his game translates very, very well for fantasy football. Matthew Golden, my wide receiver three, explosive player. I think he is now going to be drafted inside the top 15 overall picks after that incredible 40-yard dash on top of his profile.

Luther Burden for me at 4. This is probably the guy where we're have a far, a furthest gap on. And I'd say, you know, there's people that have him higher than wide receiver 4. Burden did run a 4-4-140, came in at six feet tall, 205 pounds. Like Luther Burden, I think, had a strong testing on numbers of the combine. Small hands, Brett.

But other than that, everything else was pretty good in terms of the measurables. Eelik Ayamanner. We were so far ahead on Eelick Iemanner with other sites. And this is a big victory lap because we both projected him to be a first round pick. Comes out and runs a 4-4-740, just as Chef's Kiss on top of a great profile. Jalen Knoll at wide receiver 6 for me, going to get very good draft capital, absolute stud. Jalen Royals at 7.

Brett, this is one where we're at the senior bowl. Jalen Royals, like we had a couple of question marks about just the explosive downfield speed. And he told us he was playing at 80%. And he goes out and actually runs very, very well. The 10-yard split, I believe he had the second fastest 10-yard split among all wide receivers. And the 40-yard dash, the guy runs below 4s. So Jalen Royals production, and now we have athleticism to back it up, my wide receiver 7, wide receiver 8. Jack Betch, TCU. I think you said it very well. You've been ahead of consensus on Jack

Betch. And I think that his draft capital is going to be very strong. Jaden Higgins, we talked about him on the winners and losers show, great testing numbers out of him. Trey Harris at wide receiver 10. And Trey Harris was one where the, the Trey Harris hive sort of took a knock because I think that the idea that he's going to be a top 40 overall pick, that that ship sort of sailed after that combine, but he still makes wide receiver 10 for me. Isaiah Bond, I hear you. He comes in at wide receiver 11. You know, again, disappointing 40-yard dash, but the GPS numbers were very high.

I'll be interested to see when he retests at Texas's Pro Day, what the 40 is there, because it felt a little lower than we thought for him, significantly lower. And then Ty Felton from Maryland at 12. Brett, we've talked about him as well. great testing numbers out of Ty Felton. And before we go through in and discuss some of these guys, where would Travis Hunter be, just for clarification, because we're going to have some first-time listeners on this show,

where would Travis Hunter be if he said, I'm a wide receiver and the NFL team that drafted him said he's going to be predominantly a wide receiver, and maybe we'll put him in on some nickel packages at cornerback? Yeah, if he was wide receiver, he'd be 1B for me. I don't think he's quite as good as TET, but he's close. and I think there would be a like for now for right now there's like an ocean between tett and my number two guy and i think hunter would fill that gap where you know he would close the gap between one and one two so um he'd probably still be a top 15 player in the classroom me um but for at corner he's the number two player in the classroom me so yeah and i think i completely agree with you Travis hunter for me would be very highly ranked overall and among wide receivers he'd be right up there with tet i think when we're talking about a pro comp he's garret wilson if he decides to play wide receiver.

And again, you know, like you talked about with a guy like Breschard Smith, where he's going to get better playing running backs, he only has one year there. If Travis Hunter gets to kind of not ignore, but play far less defensive snaps and concentrate predominantly on wide receiver, there's room to run in the profile. So we're going to throw that one out there for everybody saying, well, why don't you have Travis Hunter in your top 12?

We would each have him at essentially, wide receiver two, very close up to Tet McMillan. Let's do a quick follow-up on some of these guys. I talked about Jalen Royals. Your thoughts on Jalen Royals with the athletic testing numbers you saw combined with what we saw on the field in Mobile and this profile. Yeah, for me, the 10-yard split you mentioned, that really stands out in his tape. That initial step, that quick twitch, it's there, man.

I don't necessarily care about the 40 for his play style because he's not a guy you're looking to hit on a bunch of. post routes and go balls, you know, but that initial Twitch is what you see with the yards after cut stuff, his release package that he was dominating guys in the release game, Theo, at 80%. Really good hand usage, but that first step is so lightning fast and he's so strong. Yes. You know, you combine that initial step quickness with the strength. It's like, it's going to be really hard to cover him in the short part of the field. Kind of like, I hate to say this, Debo Samuel. It reminds me of Debo Samuel when Debo first hit the

league. He was insanely quick, but also super strong. When you stand next to Jalen Royals, you would guess that he's a running back with just how well built he is. His thighs. His thighs are huge. Yeah, he's a, he's a unit. And like, Jalen Royals, when we look at the, the production he had in 2023, 15 touchdown catches, he was one where like, we've talked about some of the guys we have ranked ahead of them. But in terms of NFL draft capital, Jalen Royals might steam ahead of a few of those guys. I think Royals can end up being a very high

second round pick. He could end up being drafted somewhere in the Keon Coleman, Jalen Polk, Ladd-McConkey range if some team really likes him in that beginning of second. Would you kind of agree on the potential high second round draft capital with this athletic profile production profile? I think there's a chance and I think the bigger reason for that, even, the two things you just mentioned, the dude, the character.

Yeah. teams fall in love with guys like jalen royals like we got a chance to talk to him at mobile every coach or player i've heard that knows him is raved about him as a leader as a person like these are the types of guys you want in your locker room those types of guys typically go higher than even maybe their profile says they should just because teams want good guys in the building so i i think that's a like he checks a lot of boxes and i i would not be surprised if he went top 50 for sure now tray harris again for for tray harris comes in for me me at wide receiver 10 overall. But there are some other people doing rookie rankings who have

continually pushed Trey Harris up ahead of guys like Iloc, Imanor, Jalen Knoll, you know, right up into that Matthew Golden range. Now that sort of gap will be there after the NFL Combine. But even still, Trey Harris is one that has a hive in the fantasy football community and a ton of enthusiasm behind him with certain analysts. Brett, you have been sort of anti-Trey Harris and had him lower than consensus for a while. Just add some context to that for people listening to this who might be into Trey Harris. Yeah.

So anytime there's a hive for a player that is literally because of one stat, it gives me a weird feeling. That's the only reason people like him. It's because the yards per route run is insane. It's one of the best ever. Cool. When you actually watch the tape and get into scouting the traits and how they translate to the NFL, he just doesn't have a ton to be desired for me.

Not a day one or day two guy at all. Really tighten the hips. It kind of places a ceiling, a low ceiling on his route running potential. And then I never saw a linear explosiveness. So you combine those two things. He's not going to be a guy that runs away from people and he's not going to be a guy that can beat you with,

you know, sink and explode out of his brakes. That's kind of scary for me. I will say he's got some really nice tempo-changing ability as a route runner. it's still kind of limited. He doesn't, he tracks the ball pretty well on deep stuff, but I don't know how many deep opportunities he's going to get with his profile. And he's not great after the catch.

There's a lot missing from his profile. And I thought he was more product of his environment and the scheme than anything. In fact, I think Jordan Watkins, the other Ole Miss receiver, is every bit as good as Trey Harris. Yeah, so I'll be higher on Trey Harris than you. But I think generally when we're talking about Trey Harris, from a draft capital perspective, that was a lot of the argument for Trey Harris

is some team's going to fall in love with him end of the first, early second. Again, I think that ship sailed. 454 is by no means a terrible number, but when put into context with some of the guys that he's going to be competing with for that draft capital, I think it will affect him a little bit. And one of the arguments for Trey Harris

is he's going to be really, really, really fast. So he's sort of fast enough. but again, he becomes way less of a appealing pick for us in Dynasty or in redraft if he gets that third round NFL draft capital, which I think is in the wheelhouse now after the combine. I don't think he falls to day three like Brett does, but I think, yeah. I don't think he falls a day three. Oh, excuse me. I still think he'll go in the third round probably, but I have a day three grade on him. Any other wide receivers that you want to touch on that we covered in these rounds?

Franks, Brett. We could hit Burden because we're so different on him. Okay, so go ahead. Yeah, I feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're hedging because you're projecting good draft capital for him a little bit, right? Yes, and I also think that he has the elite production season in 2023. So we saw the, a guy decline this year, but I think Brady Cook was not a very good quarterback at Missouri. And I think that Burden this year was sort of a indictment on Missouri's offense a little bit. I don't think he's a perfect prospect, but I do think he's a guy. that certain NFL teams are going to try to put in a in a high in a role where he's going to be used in manufactured touches so the target ceiling is going to move up slightly and I think when I put it

in the context with this athleticism and this size and the fact that I had that early breakout year and that really strong 2023 he's not perfect but he's good enough that he has some some high end fantasy outcomes in his profile now does does does he have also like like a like a like a like a low end comps and all that sort of stuff. Like I told you guys low end comp, potentially like Curtis Samuel type low end comps. Wondell Robinson. Wondell Robinson. That's who he is. But Wondell Robinson that's six feet tall and weighs 205 pounds.

Sure. Yeah. That's doing anything for me though. For what he'll be asked you that doesn't do anything for me. He's, uh, here's my issue with Luther Burton. He had 50 catches in his career with an ADDA over five yards. For comparison, Ted McMill in the last two years had a, 133.

I mean, that, like, they're light years apart. He doesn't play wide receiver. He's basically a running back. That's not a great profile for translating to success. He, I charted every single target that he had in college. He didn't have a single route win on an in-breaking route in, in the last two years. That is, that's mind-blowingly weird for a guy who's been touted as a first or second-round pick.

I don't understand how that's even possible. Every single bit of production he has is from the slot on slot fades, you know, two-way goes against deep safeties or screens and jets and pop pass and all that nonsense. It's just these profiles miss so much. Elijah Moore, Wondell Robinson, two, two at well. I think the best one recently that had a similar profile was Malik Neighbors, but that dude was a stud through and through. So like, I don't think we're calling Luther Byrne Malik Neighbors here. You know what I mean? So this is just a really, really flimsy profile.

I can't. He is a developmental curve that is just not, I'm not going to be the team that makes that mistake. Well, we will continue our Luther Burden discussion for six more weeks here heading up into the NFL draft. A lot more to unpack with this one. And then, of course, the landing spot, the draft capital will get factored in as well. We're going to take a quick break.

When we come back, we're going to talk about tight ends. Welcome back to Fantasy Points. Theo Greminger with Brett Whitefield. Let's talk about the tight end class, we talked about the disappointing numbers for a few of these guys in our winners and losers. Let's see if that factors into Brett's tight end rankings and mine as well. Let's go to tight end six on this one, Brett. Let's throw a bonus one in here.

All right. So why don't you go ahead. Did you have any significant riser from the combine before you even reveal the rankings? So Terrence Ferguson jumped into the top six. because, and I mentioned this on the last show. I really liked him already. And then with Fanon kind of having a weird day and Ferguson having a good day,

I think he'd leap for a couple guys. But again, my board basically stayed the same minus a few, you know, one or two spot moving around. So I'll go for it. Go for it. Tyler Warren, Penn State, my tight end one. Colson Loveland, New Michigan, my tight end two. And this really is a tier of their own.

They're very different players, but I think you're getting you're getting an elite past game weapon elite for Tyler Warren. He contributes both in the run game and past game actually. But two different players, it's got to be a probably a pick your flavor thing for an NFL team. Elijah Royo sticks at tight end three. I think if he would have tested, he would have blown the place out.

He's awesome, fantastic athlete. Maybe the highest ceiling is a receiver in this class. He's got a little bit of development to go. he's got to stay healthy as well. He's got some Luke Musgrave to him where, gosh, he missed two full seasons in the middle of his career because of injury, basically. And then Mason Taylor comes in at tight end four. This is a guy, I think, you know, was fringe top five coming into the combine. He was the beneficiary of some bad testing. Terrence Ferguson at tight end five. And then Harold Fainter Jr. stays in my, you know, top of my board here with Titan six. No, I love it. And Arroyo is one that we've, I mean, every time we podcast together, it seems like we talk about Elijah Arroyo.

March 24th is Miami Pro Day. I think that he might agree with you. I think, like, his testing numbers for everything athletic are going to be insane. If you had to give a wild, wild guess to what sort of 40-yard dash time, Arroyo is going to pull out of his bag. What would you put on that one? Man, I don't want to overshoot it. I think 4-5-5 or B.

better is what I think 4-5 is really possible for him but I think 4-5 is probably like the top end of that and then down to 4-5 is probably the ceiling there and if he touches the 4-4s then let's just move them all the way up to top 20 I mean I think that at the end of the day this is one of the biggest edges if you have early dynasty rookie drafts is embracing elijah erroyo as the tight end three because I think the market is fully in on tyler warren and Colston Loveland. It's reflective in in early redraft best and best ball ADP where Loveland and Warren are getting steamed way up. I'm in a FFPC in a big gorilla with Scott Barrett and a B-Bag Batoba, which is their $350 contest. And I just saw Tyler Warren go off the board in the fifth round of a redraft

league. But Arroyo, you're still going to be able to get after round 12 in these early sort of tight end premium. So Arroyo is a real screaming value to you if you're drafting on underdog or FFPC. So for me, my rankings are quite similar to yours. Tyler Warren at the one, Colston Loveland at the two. Those guys are also really, really close for me. Loveland measured in actually taller, which we both thought was interesting. And Loveland, I think, we'll dive into this after, but I have a Colston Loveland Warren discussion question for you. I think you'll like And then a royal for me, tight end three, absolute stud. Then after for me, I think that my titan four is going to be Mason Taylor from LSU.

This is a guy where we really liked him in the senior bowl. I'm reading a lot of positive rumors with him in terms of draft capital. A number of teams are looking at him as a guy who they draft and then he takes over in year two. I love that pathway because we've seen a number of those guys hit in fantasy. where they have a little bit of room to kind of develop, and then they take off in year two. You think kind of the Trey McBride outcome, Tucker Kraft to an extent,

broke out late his rookie year, then took over this year and had some success. So I think Mason Taylor might not be quite as fantasy friendly as the other three, but I think he's a surefire, locked and loaded, plays every down tight end early on in his career. Also the NFL lineage, Jason Taylor is the father. I love that as well. Harold Fanon Jr. I'm staying strong, Brett.

You talked me off a cliff yesterday in the winners and losers. Harold Fanon Jr. is that guy. He's going to be the outlier in terms of production, despite the lack of top end speed at a 240 pound profile. And then Terrence Ferguson is a guy who, you mentioned Luke Musgrave. This could be the Luke Musgrave type draft capital because Ferguson had great athletic testing numbers to go with good enough production. and the profile where he played the slot a lot at Oregon as well. So like I think Ferguson's one for me that's a significant riser. And I think that top six for me is pretty strong overall still. I've called this a transformative class.

I think it still is because I think we're going to get a ton of starters out of it. And that big three is really, really fantasy friendly. Want to talk to you about Loveland versus Warren here. Because, you know, there are NFL teams that have Colston Loveland at the top. of their board. Tyler Warren, we've talked about in great detail, but just a general question for you. Two questions here. Colston Loveland has the early breakout, Tyler Warren, a little bit of a late breakout. Then you also have the age disparity where Colston Loveland is a full like two and a half years younger than Tyler Warren. Do those affect anything in this overall head-to-head

discussion for you and do you think this will affect NFL teams evaluation process? The youth and the early breakout. It's baked into the cake in my scoring system. So like there's a the fourth bucket. My scoring system is intangibles. Intangibles includes, you know, age adjusted, whatever. So it's already baked into the cake for me and I still have Warren number one. The big difference for me in where I think NFL teams will get more excited about Warren is the contributions in the run game.

like this is a guy who is an in-line monster. Like he, go watch the SMU tape from a college football playoff. Like he was bodying dudes all over the field. He took an edge defender. They're forced defender. They're big time D. Ann, Elijah Roberts. He pushed him 19 yards upfield through the back of the end zone

on a run play to score a touchdown on that game. Ridiculous stuff as a blocker. And then he can play running back. A lot of people missed this fact. He had, what, 300 yards rushing last year? 14 pounds. And I'll add into context there, both of the running backs on Penn State's roster chose to go back to school this year. I would say both of those guys are going to be somewhere in the day two range next year, which is significant. Like, you were, you were giving

manufactured rushing attempts despite having two NFL quality backs. Yeah. And it's funny because I think a lot of people have had questions about his explosive qualities as a, as a player, Tyler Warren, go watch the reps when he's playing that Wildcat QB or taking those handoffs. The dude is insanely explosive, especially for a guy that is as tall as him. That's what really sold me on Warren with those reps where I'm like, dude, this guy has some legitimate juice, man. So to me, you're just getting such a total package war. And I love Loveland too, you know, and I've watched every single game he's ever played

as a fan because I watched Michigan and Michigan State. You know, so I love both these guys. But, man, Warren, just a little bit above for me just because the contributions in the run game you're going to get. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I think Warren for me, it's going to be really, really difficult for Warren to be knocked off unless it's some insane landing spot thing, NFL draft a capital thing. But for me, Tyler Warren is just, this is a very clean prospect and a tight end who I think

has the ability to lead an NFL team in targets. If you're a tight end who finishes as the number one or number two target on your NFL team, that's sort of the pathway to fantasy viability. And I think Tyler Warren has a chance to do that early on in his NFL career, like we've seen with schematically how teams have used Brock Bowers, how teams have used Trey McBride. I think that's in the wheelhouse for Tyler Warren in terms of NFL teams viewing him as a guy who can significantly help them win in the passing game.

So I'm with you. but at the end of the day, Colston Loveland, Elijah Royal, go get some of these guys. Because if your league has a huge gap between Tyler Warren and then tight end two, Titan two and Titan three are awesome in this class. Both of these guys would have cleared anything from last year. Like, last year's class would have been Bowers ahead of all these guys. And then it would have been several tight ends before the Ben Sinit, Jetavian Sanders, all those guys from last year, at least for me.

Would you agree with that statement, Brett? Yeah, for sure. And what's funny, too, is you said Bowers would be ahead of all these guys. I don't know that teams will agree with you on that. And I think there's a really good chance. Tyler Warren gets better than pick 13 draft capital. I think it's a lock, but I think that's also reflective of the success of Bowers. Well, you think Bowers helps Warren?

Yes. I think the class being a little weak as a whole at the top is going to help Warren a lot. I think that's fair. But I do think Bowers, if you could go back and redraft, I know that there's where I live on Long Island, there's so many Jets fans that are furious that they passed on like Brock Bowers. I think that sort of thing where you take, you know,

Olu Fashtunu over Brock Bowers in five years, that's going to like, it's not like they failed on their pick, but they did not draft a guy who is going to end up being one of the best offensive players in football and certainly the best of his position. I think that the success of Bowers, and the success of McBride helps Warren.

Because I think NFL teams, it's a copycat league. We talked about it with the big plays. It's a copycat league, and I think NFL teams are going to be chasing these profiles. And Warren and Loveland both sort of get pushed up here. So, yeah, I think Warren probably goes inside the top 10. It's a perfect storm with what these guys did last year, chasing that model.

And then like you said, it's a class that doesn't have a ton of quarterbacks. and it's a class where, you know, I'm not sure how many guys are going to get first round grades overall in the class from you, Brett, but you're seeing some people saying it could be as few as like 14 guys, 15 guys getting true first round grades. So I think that that helps out Warren a ton as well. I think I have 18 or 19 right now. Yeah, so there you go. So this was awesome today. Again, make sure you subscribe to all of our podcast here at Fantasy Points.

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