Fantasy Football Daily - Post NFL Combine Rookie Updates | 2024 Dynasty Fantasy Football

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

Welcome to Dynasty Points Post NFL Combine Rookie Updates | 2024 Dynasty Fantasy Football - your essential live stream for all things Dynasty Fantasy Football following the 2024 NFL Combine! Dive deep the introduction of the 2024 Fantasy Points Dynasty Rookie content. We dissect the aftermath of the NFL Combine, spotlighting standout rookies and uncovering hidden gems that could significantly impact your dynasty rosters. From 40-yard dash stars to agility test aces, we cover which prospects have seen their stock rise and who might be flying under the radar. Our expert hosts will break down: Performance Analysis: Detailed reviews of top performers and how their combine results translate to dynasty fantasy potential. Rookie Rankings: Updated rookie rankings post-combine, focusing on those with the most upside in 2024 dynasty superflex formats. Draft Strategy: Tailored advice on targeting rookies in your drafts, considering both short-term impact and long-term value. Q&A Session: We'll answer your questions live, offering personalized advice for your dynasty teams. Whether you're gearing up for your rookie draft or looking to make savvy moves in the trade market, this live stream is your go-to source for getting ahead in your dynasty leagues. Don't miss out on crucial insights and expert analysis to help you dominate the 2024 fantasy football season! Subscribe and hit the bell to get notified about our live streams, and never miss an update in the dynamic world of dynasty fantasy football. Let's take your dynasty team to the next level together! (0:00) - Intro (3:50) - QB Draft Breakdown After the Combine (7:30) - RB Draft Breakdown After the Combine (37:00) - WR Draft Breakdown After the Combine Thinking About Thinking - https://jakobsanderson.substack.com/p... --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Instead of lions, tigers and bears, oh my, it's RAS scores, franchise tags, and 40 times, oh my. The combine has come and gone. And there's a ton of information going around. Raz scores getting handed out like report cards at the end of a school year. But there is more to the combine than a RAS card or a 40 time or, you know, a running back benching. Okay, looks cool, not necessary. there's no better time than to secure your priors

than at the combine. And on this program, I'm sure that's going to happen. But the goal today is to look at what happened at the combine and ask ourselves, what did we actually take from it

in this introduction to the 2024 rookie class as dynasty points heads forth to the rookie draft? I, of course, am your host of the most time on his hands. I am, Thomas.

So you can find me at El Noster Thomas. everywhere. My fun fact of the day is for the first time in two years, Rich Eisen has infected my heart with hope that Trey Lance will be the future quarterback of the Minister of Vikings. Hey, I'm Jacob Sanderson at Jacob Sanderson on Twitter. My fun fact today is that on this day, March 5th, some 26 years ago, Viagric on its FDA approval. Who, who, who, who, helping middle-aged spreadsheet virgins worldwide.

Now we have the NFL Combine in case you can't get a prescription. Hey, you can go to Felix.com and get yourself one if you really need. I wouldn't need any type of medication with or without FDA approval after watching that Xavier Worthy 40-yard dash. Amen. I just called my talk, I said, it's been five hours. It's in five hours just the combine. I still can't get to sleep. I don't know what to do.

Cold showers aren't working. Lucas? Oh, goodness. Well, my name is Lucas. Gilbert, you find me on Twitter at L. Gilbert F.F. And my fun fact of the day is that the first NFL combine was held in Tampa, Florida in 1982.

Wow. Oh. Not as fun as you're all, but. Tampa loses everything. She is down, down bad for Tampa. I mean, where do you? We have no show sheet for today. Like we are coming. There's so much information. It is so hard

to really structure the three of us. Just being elated to watch super athletes work out at the underwear Olympics. It is a spectacle. And that held true this week. Where do you guys want to dive in? I think the easiest thing to dive back into is just talking about the quarterbacks. I think quarterbacks will be nice and fast. Okay, Caleb Williams didn't throw. Oh, no. A lot of elite quarterbacks don't throw. I think Drake may should have thrown. If I'm being honest, there's a little bit of an up and down as to where, oh, he's going to slide in the draft.

he's going to go as the top three quarterback. No, he's number two. You could actually be fourth or fifth with Bo Nix coming. Like, you've heard it all. I think he should have thrown. So let's hear from you guys. Also, shout out Tennessee. You guys, Milton.

I mean, that was, that got him selected in the sixth round right there. Someone's taken a shot on him late in the draft. Someone's going to have the I can fix him energy. Yeah. That's, you know who. Some guy, you got too many bad relationships with college and is thrice divorced, is going to look at Joe Mel and be like, I can fix them. You know what?

He gave me vibes of a former Indianapolis cult legend, Jacob. One Jeff George. I was just going to guess Jeff George. He took a second. He was giving me Jeff George by. No way, it's floater ball, Peyton. And then I was thinking, I was like, oh, Curtis Painter of a big arm. And I was like, oh, yeah, Jeff George.

Jeff George, that's the one, man. He gave me real vibes with that. But no, seriously. So I think something's going to take a shot on him. I think the same people that took a shot at Hendon Hooker, hoping he was going to be something should just, if you're that type of fantasy player, just keep rolling the dice with Milton.

Well, I can say that Hendon, well, I mean, we'll see what the NFL life holds. Speaking strictly for their college pro S, no comparison between Hendon, woman of the night and Joe Milton, that's for sure.

I will say, I only have one of their autographs and it's on purpose. Love Joe Milton, but it didn't hook her right here, baby. Yeah, I just mean that if there's a quarterback, like, if you're in like the fourth round of a rookie draft and you're like, I don't want the wide receiver 91 out of this rookie draft. I'm going to take this quarterback and hope and pray.

That's the guy. I was so disappointed that he didn't run the 40. Yes. He was clocked at 22 miles per hour at one point in time this season. I think it's Texas A&M. And man, that would have been really fun. At least we would have something to talk about.

I'm just going to point out that we have one hour to cover approximately 40 relevant rookies that we've spent two-hour sideboard Joe Milton, who will never throw an NFL pass. Hey, I still believe. It's a reason, man. It matters. I believe. That's true. And I will watch this preseason game just to watch the moonballs. I'm sorry, if Zach Wilson got to throw footballs for like three years,

I think Milton has a legit chance. So why don't you shove it and don't steal my thunder here? But we can move to something. I think the quarterbacks. It's Nico Cizzen. I don't think any of them really hurt themselves at all. Some people were taking a shit on McCarthy. I think the people that did that were going to do that anyway.

I think it didn't matter what he did. Different people clipping different. This is a big thing, if we're going to talk about theory of the combine. Big thing you got to watch out for. You see one clip of the combine if you're not watching and it's somebody saying, oh, he missed through it at this direction to this way. And then you see the other angle. it's like, oh, the wide receiver clearly cut his route off the wrong way.

When you just flip the, so it's, you know, it's like politics. You got to watch what side of the spectrum you're looking on and live in the middle because it can take it one way or the other. You can go down a real, Jesus, real rabbit hole and go for a ride. But I don't think the quarterback's really, nothing changed there for me. I think everything is the same. Obviously, we know, you know, interview combine shenanes. We're plentiful over the weekend.

Let's not do that. But let's talk about running backs because the class for running backs has been dumped on all year, all year. But now the combine hits all of a sudden immediately like clockwork. Oh, yeah. Now we got running back. Oh, there's quite a few backs. I always liked in this class. No, you didn't.

No, you didn't. one thing I will say I really hate that Brooks couldn't do anything I really hate that because I still think he'd be the RB1 but Jacob you had a new RB1 no I had the same RB1 I would say I would say new to consensus right is everyone else is catching up but you had him as the RB1 I should say everyone else has a new RB1 fair enough I was hoping I was hoping that I'd be able to release my running back breakdown before the combine so that I could then kind of track my pre-combine post-combine ranks. Forchite, I wasn't able to, but I was able to do a show with Liam Murphy, where I ran down my top 10 at the running back position. And my RB1 there was Trey Benson, and I'm certainly not locked into that. That might change, but that was going into the combine. I would say that if Jonathan Brooks, and it's not about not getting his combine numbers,

it's more about just the fact that he is like going to be coming into the NFL off an ACL injury, which I think has potential to severely impact his rookie year. I think if he was entirely healthy, he would probably be my RB1 in the class. But taking that into account and not seeing it as a massive gap, I have Benson right now as my RB1. And the reason for that is I think this is a class

in which there's really no perfect prospect. Like you look through every running back prospect, okay, what's the size? What's their workload in college? What's their production profile? What's their level of efficiency? You know, what's their receiving background? Everybody's got some issues.

They're broke out too late. They're too small. They are too inefficient. They're this. They're that. They're this. They're that. So to me, when I look at all these kind of flawed, incomplete profiles,

I just look at what do I think as the chance to be the biggest hit? And for me, that's looking at Benson where the quintessential size and he's got the athleticism, where if he hits in a big way, I think it could be massive. And he goes on and does that at the combine, which I think was, you know, necessary and clear. So I think, you know, that was really massive to see. Lucas, I know you were plugged in with the Full Till Devey show all year with these college profiles and prospects.

There's some to be said about Benson's production, right? He doesn't have. There's some production lacking for him over at Florida State. However, I mean, 15 touchdowns, 905 yards. He obviously can catch the ball. little bit, not as much as we would like, right, with 20 receptions. So did he move the needle for you? Is it Corum? Let's just talk post-combine running backs out of the eyes of Lucas Gilbert. It's just really good to kind of get some validation behind some of these stats.

His, his breakway yardage was fantastic. Whenever we don't have these athletic numbers to compare with being able to see that they can hit those really big plays. That's the best stat that we kind of have to kind of validate that. And yeah, super fast. Biggest knock on him that we've seen the whole time is that he might be a really good athlete and not necessarily a great running back. That makes sense. He's just, you want athletes on your team.

You want him to have the ball and you hope that he can bang around the hole a little bit to find the seam and take off. That's just what his stat profile looks like. It's not elite yards after contact. It's not elite elusiveness ratings. Not elite mistor. Miss tackle's force is 99th percentile. His what?

His mistackles force is the 99th percentile. It's really good. I'm looking at total. I'm not looking at the rate. My apologies. Jesus, Lucas. I know. I know.

I don't know. I mean, I don't think he's like an absolutely insanely tackle breaker either. I think what he brings you is a lot of juice and creativity in the open field as a runner where you can hit those home runs. Like in terms of just, is he powering through tacklers? I think he runs with adequate power. I think he runs a little bit upright.

I would say still is strong in that area. I think the biggest concern is vision behind the line. I tend to not like running backs with that kind of profile, but that's the kind of class we're at where there's the guys that I think are more fundamentally sound that I don't think I have very much upside where I might be more confident they're going to be a good running back. Like Blake Horm is an example of this where I have a lot of faith in Blake Horm to make the right decisions. And I'm probably higher on Blake quorum than a lot of people, especially a lot of people in the data community. But I don't know how big the hit is capable of being on a Blake quorum.

Like I look at like a Brian Robinson type. And it's like, is that kind of as good as we're going to get out of Blake quorum where he doesn't have necessarily the receiving experience doesn't necessarily have the athletic juice where, you know, how impactful is that going to be? It's entirely possible. There's just no really impactful running back out of this class. But if there is one, I think it's less likely to come from, you know, him or estimate is kind of a similar profile of quorum. I think you're exactly right. I mean, whenever you first were talking about trade Benson, you said he's the one with the highest ceiling, most likely of having that extreme breakout. And I completely agree with you on that whenever you're talking about Blake Corum, I think he's going to be in the NFL for a really long time.

He's going to be part of several good backfields. But is he going to be that elite or even RB, R.B. fringe RB one type player for you ever, highly unlikely. You might have one or two RB2 seasons, we'll see, but he doesn't have that same elite ceiling. And as we're going through it, the next biggest winner, I think,

aside from Trey Benson is Marshaun Lloyd, had an excellent time for 4-6, has elite size or maybe not elite, but definitely high-high-rescentile that you want. What was it, 5-8-something, 2-15, 216? what was that was it what 5-8 in a chunk of change in 216 and that is exactly 5-9-220 was his way in 5-9-2-20 okay yeah and I mean all the stats back it up to whenever you've been looking at him for this long he was the belccow out at USC junior before he moved on to real USC and they relied on

him thanks thanks Jacob they relied on him he has really good peripheral numbers the whole time don't necessarily like his breakaway yards it's not oh sorry I don't like his yards after contact as much it's still really good it's just not the elite of the elite but I think that he's the next best chance of having that true breakout out of this running back class and you already mentioned audrick estimate that was my biggest disappointment watching it and we're talking about numbers at the combine backing up the film that we've seen the stats that we've seen if you're in the data sheets and he's not elite whenever it comes to breakway yards.

Yes, he has some really nice plays against college competition where he will have one or two big runs. But I think that's more from him running the person who was going to catch him over. And then nobody else on the field was at least close enough whenever he started going downhill. He's still somebody I'm interested in, but he is not going to be somebody I am actively targeting in the second round.

We'll see if he's sitting there in the third. Yeah, I'll scoop him up. probably quite a bit, but he's not somebody going out and targeting game more. And he had the highest realistic chance, I think, of being my RB1 out of the combine. If it wasn't going to be either Jonathan Brooks or now, Tray Benson. Like, I think there's one player that we can just put to rest now. And this one's going to hurt Lucas, but Braylon Allen, just deciding not to run after he watches Bucky Irvin.

I'm not braily and hold on. Oh, no, no, no. Last week, last week, you were all. I said. Raylan Allen R&RB1. The highest ranked running back according to ADP as I was speaking. Yes, he definitely hurt himself. We needed some numbers.

You gave yourself over to the people. You gave yourself over to the people and how to that. You know what? We put these things out into the universe on the internet for people to watch. We can go back and watch it. But yes, he definitely did hurt himself. He's somebody that I would have loved to have seen do really anything at the combine to help himself out because that's another person we want to see big guys run fast in i think you knew it

wasn't going to happen i think he did what kairn william should have done last year is realize it wasn't going to run quick and went i'm good bro like from what i've seen well what i've not seen is no one has any idea at least from what i've seen granted i haven't done serious digging so this is part-time journalism but i haven't seen a reason why he didn't run and i really think it's because he knew he was he was going to run poorly, which I'm all for that. If you know you're going to run poorly, wait for your pro day.

But to, yeah, what's, I thought he was going to come and I thought he was going to run when I saw him weigh in. Because he's always, he's always been listed over 240 at Wisconsin. And you never know if that's true or not. But,

you know, it's kind of like the thing with height, it's like if you're a 5-8 guy, maybe you go your dating profile, you say you're 5-9. But like, I'm, I'm 6-4.

I don't lie. I'm a dating profile. just say my actual height. I don't see any reason for Braille and Allen to have lied about his weight all this time. Like to me, if you're Braille and Allen, you're 245 pounds, like you're not going to, you're not adding any. You're just, I think that's more trustworthy than a guy who says he's 201. Okay, you're 201.

You know, we've all been there before. But with Alan, he comes in 235, but I'm like, oh, like, dude shut a little bit. He's going to try and run. And I was disappointed because I had a big parlay. of overs on 40 times. You were bet on the 40s? Yeah, and I got them all correct. But I had a four-part parley,

and Alan, I thought was my lock, and you just needed to be over 4-5-0. And then my parley hits, but it pushes on that one. So I would have won double the money if Alan had run and not broken 4-5, which I would put the odds at about 10%. So, yeah, I don't know.

Who knows? Maybe I'll run at the Pro Day. Maybe they'll get a little tail-in form at Camp Randall. the jumps were bad that we can report he did do the jumps and they were piss poor well that's again that's one of the reasons i really think he decided like i'm off to a bad start and let's one thing that also has to be taken into account is the combine is not easy to do i have done a canadian collegiate combine like something you had to do at like or you got to do it like the high school level right we go to camps and they would put you through a combine even at

that age, it was like you'll go there in the morning, you stretch, you do some training, you go in to watch some film, you come back out and stretch again, then you start running, then you go watch the film, then you do like, you know, positional drills, then you put the, it's a long day. Like you're there from eight till eight. I can't imagine being there at that pro level, the stress that these guys are under. Like the tight ends were seemingly running until like midnight it felt. Like I swear to God, it just went forever.

And I remember that was a thing last year because now they're televising it in prime time. It used to be during the day and players were complaining about how late they were out there running. That's not easy. That's not going to your local snap fitness, right? And busting out 45 minutes on your elliptical, right, after a long day. Who, hard work. No. just the pressure of that will make you sweat off five pounds.

Like it's not easy. And some guys just don't have that. So I'm not saying they're scared to compete, you know, because we're better than that. But it does matter in a way. So I'm wondering how much of that after seeing, okay, I got off to a bad start, which is how I'm going to wrap this in. Maybe he got off to a bad start, realized he wasn't there. And he's like, I have my pro day.

I'm going to wait before I completely tanked my draft stop. So I really thought that was interesting. Probably better off not running, right? Right, exactly. And we're going to run 4-7. Don't run. And since I already referenced, yeah, Jesus, since I, well, before I get to kind of moving on from the running backs,

there's two more things I want to say about the running backs. First off, Isaac Garando is going to be my most drafted running back. I don't care. He's built like Jonathan Taylor and he runs like Devon A-chan. There you go. If A. Chen was built like this, A.C.m. would have been a first round pick. Like, this guy is disgustingly athletic. Maybe he's better off playing linebacker.

I don't know. Like, Scott Barrett, I saw Scott Barrett talking about how A.J. Dillon just should have played linebacker. Like, he was a freak athlete, but he picked the wrong position. Maybe Isaac's going to do the same thing. I've already seen the Pacheco comps for him. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's not ideal that he was a backup running back at a little bit of his fifth year. You know what?

I blame, I blame irrational coaching, but you can't expect coaches to be rational. I'm going to blame that. I'm going to find a way to get them in my, in my, he's easily going to be drafted at like 212, far too many times.

I'm going to chase Brown myself with, with Isaac here. 212, that's, that's pretty high. No, no, I probably have a pretty good yards per route run.

There you go. See? There you go. Feeding. Feed me. Feed me. Feed me. Feed me.

all of that garbage. Like it's McDonald's and I'm on an absolute bender. Before we move on from the running back, just want to hit a couple of quick names again. Bucky Irvington, have a great day. It's just we're not seeing what we saw in film backed up in the testing,

which is kind of scary. It makes you really nervous. And I think Jacob, you tweeted this out. I know a lot of people did about don't chase the outlier with this. Here we go. Yep. Yeah.

So I texted Jacob. and wanted to talk to him about this because we've seen the book kairn did it and i talk a lot in the fantasy points discord but you should go to fantasy points dot com and make it so you can get in to the fantasy points dynasty discord where things are popping off there every day because i'm a company man and we got to say it so uh i've already seen it a lot well look what kairn williams did bucky's just a baller i don't buy that because i talk a lot about not chasing outlier statistics Like I like, I like Bucky. He was prior to this combine, he was my RB3.

He'll be moving down from that. So I take this as a guy who's a fan of Bucky Irving. I love what he adds in the receiving game. The issue is like, and I spent a lot of time looking into this last year when we were talking about A. And Gibbs with two of the, you know, top running back to the class being really small guys. Yeah. was, you know, you got to, if you're going to succeed at a major level, like RB1 type ceiling in fantasy, as a small running back, you've really got to catch passes, and you've really got to be fast.

And Irving has the past catching component down. That's, that's for sure. But it's totally lacking now in the speed component. And he came in really on the low end of what I was expecting. Like I was hoping maybe we'd see high 190s. I was in down at 192. So that's, that's like in the H-H-hand zone, even a little head. heavier than him. But like that's a step below where we get into like the Jemir Gibbs

comp zone where we could bring up, you know, the Reggie Bushes and the LaShawn McCoy's and that tier back. So he's kind of down with A. Chan and Warwick done. And now you're asking to do it at a four, five, six. And so where does that look now? It's like, well, now we're in the world of James White and Danny Woodhead and Giovanni Bernard and, uh, Theo Riddick. And just insert any satellite back that you want to. But that that's kind of the world we're living in right now. With Karon Williams, you know,

he's small, not 192, not 1902. Also very compact. And that was a success. But one thing is we kind of only have one year of it being a success, right? So right now, Karin Williams is kind of an incomplete analogy.

Yes. To be clear, yes. If Buck, Yorving ever has one season as good as Kairn Williams had, massive success. But the story is still not yet written on Kiron's career. We don't know the rest of the way it's,

going to go. We know he had one phenomenal season. And I really think he just kind of landed in a spot that was the perfect confluence of factors between him being very good, being very solid, being in this Sean McVeigh offense where they value not substituting out personnel. They want a back who can handle past protection responsibilities and provide enough in the running game and stay on the field every single play. And I think that's kind of a unique situation where Kyron Williams would have gotten this role. I don't think if Kyron had been drafted by many other teams he ever would have gotten this level of role. I think in most places, he's getting 30% of the carries and long down and distance responsibilities. And then this brings up the other

issue with Bucky Irving, which is that Kairn Williams, the first way he ever got into an NFL field, first thing he ever got drafted for in the NFL was being a baller of a pass protector. And Bucky Irving is not that. He's really strong in the past protection. He's a dynamic receiving option. But, you know, what is dynamic? Right. Dynamic in terms of, okay, he's capable. He can run routes, but four, five, six, dog, are we throwing you screens? I don't know. Usually the NFL likes throwing fast people screens, right?

Except for the Eagles. We have AJ Brown on the roster and throw those screens to Julio Jones. But everybody else, everybody else likes throwing screens fast food. So I think, I think Bucky will have a long NFL career. And if he drops, you know, way down below where we were thinking about him in drafts,

I'll probably be interested as like a third round pick and kind of hope for that Michael Carter, Devin Sincolterry kind of outcome. but at this point in time, I think you got to move him down below guys like Marshawn Lloyd, guys like Jalen Wright. I mean,

I would argue that, you know, now he's kind of like, he's now kind of in the same tier on different sides of the spectrum of estimate, where it's like we have this back we think is good. Yeah. We have this back who can do a thing,

but we have this back who has such substantial limitations that it's unlikely they can do the rest of the things to put it all together into a big ceiling. Right. There's a lot of things that have to go right for an R.B. to get what Kyron Williams got to do, right? There was the, we hate Cam Acres and his family, and then there's no, never mind,

we're going to get rid of Derell Williams, or Dorel Henderson, sorry, Jacob's favorite, his boy, he seemingly gets yeated into the sun for no reason. Then Cam Acres comes back, and he gets the Bell Cow work, and we're like, Kyron Williams must really suck.

He can't even get on the field here. And then the next, off season all of a sudden it's all we love cam makers love cam makers never mind lied to you see a later you and your family peace homeless have fun and then it's karen williams is the only running back allowed to touch the ball what's that you get hurt for a few games great we're gonna bring back henderson we're we're going to rotate a couple backs in there and as soon as you're healthy 90% of the snaps again mcvay is one of the few guys that do this jacob i remember years ago when this was the first rendition of the Full Tilt Dynasty podcast,

we talked about Todd Gurley was really a fortunate running back more than he was a super elite one, because again, he got volume that other guys weren't getting. We got Kyron Williams basically in a Christian McCaffrey role with not Christian McCaffrey skill and an offense that had a resurgence. So that would have to go right for one of these,

outliers to really perform. Otherwise, you're probably looking at like a six to eight point per game guy, probably in the Gus Edwards points per game territory, even though it's kind of a different skill set. That's the reality of where he's at right now. Because again, he's not getting on that field for the past pro.

Yeah. If you don't want to burn your eyes out, don't go look at as PFF pass blocking grade. It's rough. But not to even keep getting brave. The PFF path blocking grade thing is this is just my personal pet peeve. I think I love, I'm not an anti-PFF person. I'm a PFF lover, not a PFF hater.

The one thing that I think holds like zero water is PFF pass blocking grade. I think it's just like a failure of their methodology where because everything is so binary, where like it doesn't really scale. It's like you either get a plus one or a minus one. I don't know the exact system in terms of the numerical order, but that's effectively how it works. You either got a positive or negative and then it's an aggregate. that with pass blocking, like the running backs who play the most long down

and distance get the hardest assignments. They end up having more negatives. They end up having worse grades. I think that's my intuition as to why it's flawed. I don't know for sure. But what I can say is like there's just way too many examples now of running backs who several coaching staffs turned over and continually give long down and distance work to who have horrible PFF path blocking grades in the NFL for me to take it seriously.

I just don't think every coach is dumb when, and every film panelist is dumb when they're like, we want Zeke pass blocking, we want Jericho McKinnon pass blocking, we want Daryl Williams pass blocking, we want Leonard Fornett pass blocking. Like there's so many running backs who are like known for their past protection. And then they just light up the bottom of the pass protection ranks. Kyron Williams included that I think it's flawed. But I will say that on film, I think he sucks a pass protecting. So I agree with you.

I just have that issue with you. Oh, it's important to note. One thing I want to add before, because I want to spend the next, the tight ends, okay, I think that's going to be a next week's thing, because I know Scott's been on an absolute heater with Brock Bowers. I think it's hilarious. I do think, though, that your boy from Tennessee. He doesn't like him because he gets too many screen passes? Screen merchant, yeah.

Okay. That's what we hear. We'll see. We're going to get the sports. That's the flag he's planting. He's anti-Bowers. I think. I'm not going to put that in his mouth yet.

we're gonna, I'm not gonna put, you know, but just, he said he was undecided last time I talked to him. So we'll get the real answer next week, Scott. Scott, everyone can tag Scott right now. Tell him that we're coming for his answers on Brock Bowers right now. It will irritate him. And I'll also laugh hysterically. I just want to ask about one, sorry, I don't want to ask about the titan. I just want to point out that the Ravens are talking to another tight end from the combine.

And I just wanted to slam my head against a take. Could you guys just not. Like, what are they planning? Just so already, they're just going to run out likely Andrews and this boy here, although he did test kind of poorly. Can we have a four tight-in set with Kohler? Is that possible? No, I never want to see Kohler on the field again, if I'm being honest with you.

But Jatavian Sanders, rough right now in terms of spork scores, according to Scott, real rough. Not good. 46. Not great. But, I mean, that's it for tight ends right now. I know there's the Penn State tight end. he is Johnson who really again Penn State freak athlete yeah all right story you know whatever we've seen it but again I think the tight ends is pretty pretty okay right now I want to hit wide receivers

for the next half hour yeah let's do that that's to me I'm gonna backtrack I had one more running back question that I completely skip one more thing who is the running back that creeps into the first round none oh of dynasty drafts I thought you know not the NFL draft dynasty draft Dynasty graphs. Who is it? Jewell on the chart was draft. Oh, you're copping out that way. Okay, Lucas.

I think right now the best bet I have is Trey Benson. That's the one I would put money on just because at least from fantasy players perspectives, we're going to see the numbers. And that gets people really excited. And I don't think he's going to get worse than day two draft capital. I think he's somewhere in the third. But my real answer, I think there will be two running back that end up going in round one. Oh.

I think Brooks will go in round one. That was my answer. It seems like the community generally likes him quite a bit. So assuming he does go where he's projected to go, which would be late round two, early round three. I think he'll go there. And then I think one of these other guys is going to get a very good landing spot. I mean, all the chargers are saying constantly is how much they want to run the ball.

They tell you every single day, like we want to run the ball. And then they're like, we're not resigning act on. We want nothing to do with this man. And then you look at their cap situation. And they just feasibly can't really sign Jacobs or Barclay, I don't think. So all signs point to round two or round three. They are drafting a running back into an incredible spot for a running back in fantasy. And there's no way we're not going to draft that guy in the first round.

I mean, everybody says it's quorum. That would annoy me because I want to draft quorum and I don't really want to pay like a half round premium just solely because of a coaching college narrative that would. make me upset. So I hope the charges draft someone I hate that I don't have to pick. But if they draft a quorum or Benson, I guess I'll chase them. Yeah. No, I think that's right.

I think Brooks was my answer. Brooks is my answer long time ago the first time I did a mock draft. I just think one is going to be great. Oh, God. That would actually be so tight. It would be tight because then you would get the running back on the charges in the second round because people are going to realize that Allen's not athletic. It's going to be great.

No, he's going to go. No, I want Braylin Allen going 1-11. and that's what I'm here for. Just so you can watch everyone else and trade all your 11s. I need someone to fade in this class. This is the problem having with this class. It's like, I mean, I have a few for you. We'll talk in the wide receivers.

Like a little further down, sure. But at least in the top seven, there's no one that I don't want to be at market on, at least where they're projected to be drafted, which is a big issue for me. Because normally that's how I go into a rookie draft season. It's like, what are the one or two guys I'm just not afraid of missing out on?

and then figure out a couple that I really like to target at their price. And then the rest, I just draft, I don't even care where I have them ranked. I just try to draft them at their ADP. I basically get a lot of my targets, taking that out of my face and let the rest be what it'll be. But in this class, like I don't know. I don't really have anyone out of that top seven where I want to fade them. Like, you know, so it's going to be, it's going to be difficult. So I hope there's some goofy stuff like a Braylon Allen who I don't like one of the chargers.

I need people that I can avoid. Well, we're going to take a quick break when we come back. What do you want, Lucas? I was going to say, you mentioned a Tennessee guy, Jalen, right? He made himself a lot of money. Definitely be watching his name. I don't think he'll get day two draft capital. I think that that's wishful thinking on my part, at least right now.

But somebody definitely wants to be paying attention to. And then two quick names, make sure you're checking out, Rishin Ali's Pro Day, wherever that is. Really curious to see what he's going to run. He weighed more than I was expecting. I thought he was going to be sub 200. He's over 200, really explosive. And then last but not least,

Isaiah Davis, who I think is one of Jacobs's boys. So make sure you're checking out him. He had a pretty good day. Not great, but if there's somebody from one of these lower levels, who are going to do it in Amy Neal watches, Isaiah Davis. Now I'm done. Devi guy flexing a couple extra ones cutting me off before going to break classic Devi mentality.

But you should be checking out the full tilt at DeviPod, which will be going tomorrow. night over at full tilt dynasty over on you. Yes, sir. Hit that with the sub. We'll be back five second break. Jacob, nice and quick. I do miss the snap from Billy.

I'll admit. Yeah. And you look? A buck. You're trying to get rid of? Text Billy and be like, Billy, I just need you to record a video of you doing the snap so I can put it in at the end of our transitions. Oh, good.

Truly. That's amazing. Well, you said you wanted some players to fade. Jacob, I'm fading because I think one is going to go in the first run of rookie drafts, and I don't want to be at market. And I think the other one, people like Lucas are going to push up boards, and I don't want them to. Well, actually, I do want them to because, again, I want to fade somebody.

So let's go, Troy Franklin, receiver that I'm, as of right now, with what we know now, going to be happy to be out on. And then, how come? And, yeah, Kion Coleman. I don't like his profile very much as of right now, like his analytical profile, not something I'd like. I don't see the role for him to being an upper tier fantasy asset.

He just feels like a tweener type receiver. Real Curtis Samuel to me, and I hate player comps. One thing Dynasty Points listeners are going to understand is I actually hate player comps. I know people love them because they like to take a big shit on them, but they can be fun, but I hate doing them directly.

I care more about the role. So I look at somebody like Troy Franklin. I don't know what his role is going to be for me right now. Again, with what we know. And I just see more Jalen Guyton than I do an effective. Like even a Nicole Hardman, MVS. I don't typically like those guys. Is that like what's bringing you to that limitation on him?

A lot of it was just, just, his usage, I think is going to be weird because we're going to talk about Brian Thomas and Lucas here is telling me that he's a one route merchant. And I don't see that, which I kind of think is funny. But just some, look, I'm not a film expert. So let's, I'm going to knock that off just off the top. But I don't see him being as crisp as some of the other receivers in the class. I understand that his combine was pretty up to snuff for what people thought. But for me it's just a combination of

profile like I like his size and everything for sure 176 I would have liked although yeah that's the big thing that people are worried about with him yeah but again I see him as a little

bit of a limited route runner I see him being stuck on that outside field stretcher roll I just don't see consistent like fantasy production coming from Troy Franklin right now

with what I'll say that's for I'll say this for Franklin. I mean, the one thing that he's got going for him for sure is like, really, I'll ignore the top three wide receivers for now, but out of this next batch, like, just purely like production-based analytics profile vacuum, he really pops.

It's really him and worthy that hit the marks of like hitting two years, over two yards per team pass attempt as the early breakout age, that is now breaking out or coming out of the draft after, He really hits all the marks, which is nice to see. The skinny size is a concern. I feel kind of the same way about that that you mentioned off the top about what JJ was saying about speed, where I'm about as concerned about his size as the NFL would be, and maybe a little bit on top, and that we don't have a ton of history of those types of players.

But we do have DeVantz Smith, who is really taller, skinnier guy. right yeah he's also one thing with franklin this is different it's different than like a Xavier worthy or a Rondale or a Wondale discussion where it's not that he's short he has the appropriate height it's just he's really really skinny um I have seen concerns and I think that this is just like common sense based on how skinny he is that he's going to struggle in press situations and you always have some level of concern about a pack 12 um wide receiver who primarily specializes you know work down the field works a little bit more wide open in spaces.

All have interest, but yeah, there's a couple guys that I probably like a little bit more for the moment, but he's a pretty clean profile. I just, it's his inconsistencies, right? Even inconsistencies at the thing that he's good at, which is the deep ball, tracking, fighting off defenders. Like you said, in the NFL, you get a guy that struggles against press. You're going to have a rough time. So I think he's going to be a little overdrafted.

And I, again, for, like you said, and I'm not saying I'm not going to have any. I'm not going to have zero. We're portfolio players. I'm not going to have a zero. I try to avoid that just in case. Most likely I am wrong, but I'm going to be happy to be undermarket, which was my biggest point.

That's one of the guys for me. And I know that Lucas is going to rip me apart when I want to hype up my boy, Brian Thomas, here. Like the same reason. Yeah, you don't, let's talk about Thomas, because I'm kind of more on Thomas's side about Thomas. I have Brian Thomas,

the wide receiver four. It's a lot of Thomas's, and I've been a fan of his. So, yeah, let's hear the anti-examination. case first and then we can maybe tag team. I mean, the biggest thing right now from an analytical profile is the fact that he was, he doesn't have a diverse route tree, at least on paper.

He was in a LSU offense that you might look at as inflated. He also doesn't have the early breakout age that we're wanting. So all of those together, it just, it doesn't make you feel good whenever you're drafting him just from some of the bigger things that we're looking at whenever we're looking at the analytics of these wide receivers. He does have some just absolute wow plays, but I think that he's going to be a better pro than he is a fancy football asset. I'm still going to be siding on Troy Franklin. I just have more trust there. I like the profile better. His numbers and size are fine to me. Yes, I would have liked him to be a little bit heavier, but we do have an established history of him

increasing the yards after contact that he can generate, increasing his, his skills with the balls in his hand. And with Brian Thomas, we really only have one season to base it off of in a pretty historic, but maybe slightly inflated offense at LSU. Well, I will say this to help our propaganda machine over here on the top of the screen, our draft expert Brett Whitefield, he really likes Brian Thomas. So he likes him so much in his mock draft 2.0, he has him going to the Jacksonville Jaguars at 9.

number 17 and let me tell you. He goes to the Jaguars. Ballard has already selected him. At 15? I don't know. You guys, he has you guys, Quinnian Mitchell.

If you told me Brian Thomas or the field right now, I would think long and hard about it. Okay. I'm just saying it's hyping my machine up. Okay. Give me him as the wide receiver one on Jacksonville. And I'm telling you, I will be more overweight as him as a rookie pick as I am at my waist.

line. It will be extreme. Okay, forget the McDonald's on a bender. It'll be domino's five days a week. It's going to be bad for me because especially you want to feed into that propaganda even more. Report came today that it looks like Calvin Ridley is going to hit free agency. So Jacksonville needs a first round wide receiver for their potential first round bus quarterback. So there you go. Give me that Brian Thomas connection right there to prop me into, I already had him at wide receiver four. Okay. And I know there's no other place for him to go at this point with the top three, but let me tell you, Jacksonville at 17. I don't know.

I don't know. I can't be trusted. I can't be trusted. I'm just putting my emotions out there for the people. I like Thomas a lot. I mean, there's not a ton of players that I can, there's not a ton of players that you can think about like him,

but that's because there's not a ton of players that are as big and fast as he is, which is really impressive. He comes in just under 6'4, runs a 4-3-4. a shade under. I had called 433 as my bold prediction on him, so I don't know what he's doing, slow poke, but what I like about his game to me is beyond just being really fast,

I think he is a pretty excellent ball winner in terms of 50-50 contested catch guy, paired with that ability to separate deep downfield, paired with what I see as for a large human being, pretty impressive stop and start ability, which I still think is not going to be, you know, he's not going to be running in the slot,

running a bunch of whip routes. Let's not get it twisted. But when I watch him at least, I see a guy who I think has enough twitch in his game that he's going to be able to win on hinge routes and comeback routes, and he's going to be able to win on double moves and create separation for himself that way. So I think that he has kind of the whole package of what you need to be that throwback ex-receiver. I think that he's a little bit more twitchy in his change of direction than say like a George Pickens, but that's kind of the world that we're living. We're living in like the T. Higgins, George Pickens type of universe.

I just see him as a twitchier, more live athlete than I think a lot of the guys that have kind of failed down that path, like a Corey Davis or Devante Parker, where I see them as more just bulldozers. You know, and that comes through with the 434. It comes through with the rest of his RAS score, which is elite. And at least for me, that comes through on the tape. We'll see if that comes to fruition. I do think there's a little bit of a ceiling on that archetype in the cover two NFL where it is a little bit more appealing sometimes in a, dynasty managed roster set up to be ruling with a Ladd-McConkey archetype of player who is going to be carving through the middle of the field and running more of those crossing routes and running more of

those intermediate routes who's going to be able to put up the high targets for route route. Whereas the Thomas guy where you can see a scenario in the NFL that he's living in the 18 to 20% target share range and you maybe are happier with him in best ball and it's a little bit frustrating week to week. So I go back and forth. I do overall still give him the edge as the fourth strongest receiving profile in the class, mostly because he's coming out early.

I understand he didn't break out very early. LSU was always loaded with talent. He was the guy that was on my radar coming into this year. I don't think that he had nothing. He got on the field right away from year one and had a little bit of production. And then total breakout this year where he winds up with 2.86 receiving yards 15 pass attempt

in the context of an offense where he's dealing with probably a top five pick across from him in the league neighbors. So I give him a lot of credit for producing and then he comes out this year. It's just a matter of, I agree, that archetype is a little bit scary in terms of how big of a ceiling that can have in today's NFL. And I don't, you know, if you're just lining up, running the scale of reps. Like, I could see him 100% being Gabe Davis. I absolutely can see that. 100%.

And that scares the crap. bad of me. But we hate, I mentioned that I don't like comps. When I was talking to Jacob earlier today, I kept coming back to T. Higgins. That's what I come back to, but I loved Jacobs comp just a little bit more

and now it's my favorite. Martavis Bryant is so perfect. And remember, I mean, Martavis Bryant did give us one year of 13 points per game and they give us one year of 15 and a half points per game. That's a wide receiver two and a in a really high wide receiver three and that's not a bust to me that's not

fourth best receiver in the class but i mean that's not nothing either we're also very much robbed of his true breakout so that sucks but i love that comp for him for sure yeah okay let's talk another wide receiver because i could talk brian thomas jr all day happily and we would lose all of our listeners a thousand percent so let's go who is your most exciting receiver to catch this weekend, Jacob. Who really stood out to you outside of the top the top big guys? Yeah, I mean, worthy, obviously, is the one who

flies off the screen. But I'll go with a different, I'll go with a different guide that maybe a little bit further down, but I think who did really what he needed to do to potentially get into round one. His Ladd McConkey. Lab McConkey comes in under 4-5,

runs legit speed, under 4-4-4-4-4-39. Yeah. And then, And then smooth as hell running through the gauntlet. Oh, yeah. All the reviews on everything in the drills, all rave reviews. And it's an interesting profile. And it doesn't seem like every time we get a hit of like a certain trend that all

a sudden there's like another guy who pops up has a lot of the same signals and we all don't know what to do. And the Ladd-McConkey is the interesting one this year. And the first look production profile is egregious, frankly. Yeah. It's awful. You've never been above. His all-time eye in yards per team pass attempt is 1.55. That's not even a true breakout season based on the thresholds that I use,

which is two yards per team pass attempt. But his yards per route run is much stronger. And I think a part of that is just kind of how Georgia is, which is they rotate guys around and then they blow teams out. And so a ton of guys on our backups are in for half the second half. And part of it's playing with Brock Bowers. Part of it said he dealt with a lot of injuries this year. And so when you do try to go down to the yards for a run and it being so great, my then concern is, is that going to be a perennial problem in the NFL?

It's just going to be a slot only receiver. And that's why the 439 is really encouraging to me where, okay, maybe this is a guy you can now play slot flanker. Just a guy who's threatened defenses deep like that. Maybe he's going to be able to have that 90% route rate if he really hits where he's a guy that plays 70% in the slot when they go out of 11th personnel and moves outside. that's kind of ideal for what you want in the modern NFL. That's like the Amun Ross St. Brown sort of route plate deployment distribution. So I'm pretty excited about Mokke. And I think we'll see how excited of the NFL is.

But if you can sneak into round one, I mean, you think of all the teams that have needs at wide receiver at the back end of round one. Those are all the fun teams. So that's a guy that's been moving up for me as I dove into the data a little bit. I've moved past the stage where I think he's just a meme. and then watching him light it up at the combine, that's the guy where he's probably pressing close to my top five wide receivers at this point.

Yeah, and funny you mentioned the first round, because again, draft expert at fancy points.com, Brett Whitefield has been going 32 to Kansas City. Because he does everything they need, right? He beats that man shell often and very well. Work underneath, outside.

They can move him around. I think he fits. I think he would be everything they wanted Cadarius Tony to be. So, I mean, I think if you're the chiefs, why not? Just take another swing. But of course, it is every receiver to the chief season. And he is a fantastic route runner. I mean, he lit it up at the senior bowl.

He does struggle mightily with press coverage. But I mean, a lot of wide receivers do. But he's the technician. He is very crafty. I think technicians one of the words on your bingo card, Jacob. It is. I apologize. Yeah, I mean, he is.

It just, it sucks, but he is really, really good at making these things just look routine whenever it comes to route running. Another excellent route runner, similar profile that I really like is Ricky Piersol right now. I was just somebody who at least early on in the season at Florida just dominated the targets. He was their offense whenever things weren't going well and things weren't going well a lot of the time for them. Same thing last year. he's had very inconsistent quarterback play, which is kind of, it makes it tough to evaluate him from time to time. But they, they depended on him consistently. And he's somebody who's going to be going later on in your drafts, who I think definitely has a very good shot at seeing action early on.

And then Falk career, he is a fifth year player. So he's going to come out. He's going to be older. I don't know what the ceiling realistically is there, but he's somebody who I think can show value pretty early on. And that, I mean, that's something that we want. Obviously, we do want a much bigger ceiling. I do think Glad McConkey has the higher ceiling out of those two, but it's also going to be reflected in the ADP that you have to pay for each of these players.

Sure. Do you have any, uh, maybe that's probably more of a sleeper down the list from Lucas. Do you have any, uh, Tom and I can give one, maybe a little deeper down? Yeah, Luke McCaffrey actually looked a lot better than I thought he was going to. He ran a little bit better than I thought he was going to. I don't know if he gets drafted in the NFL. I mean, I could see San Francisco making a Mr. Irrelevant, pair him with his brother. No, I'm just kidding.

But no, really, I don't know if he's going to get drafted just because he is so little on tape. NFL loves their former quarterbacks at wide receiver, so I can't wait to hear that in an NFL game every time he steps onto the field. But if you want to go narrative-driven, the bloodline is there with their dad being a very good wide receiver. Christian, obviously doing his thing. He had respectable numbers for Rice. I mean, over 900 yards, over at Rice,

second year as a wide receiver, definitely got better. I mean, not the classic Caucasian type wide receiver with his shiftiness, craftiness, being a technician, if you would. He's a little bit more of a straight line burner. But you're talking about a deep, deep sleeper and some of these absolute degenerate

fourth and fifth round rookie type drafts in Dynasty and last type picks and startups, I would be hammering Luke McCaffrey over a lot of the bum wide receivers that still get drafted in startups. That's my favorite. Yeah.

I just think he did really well. I think he did better than, again, better than I expected. Could probably get a little cleaner out of his brakes, but tracks the football well, runs after the catch well. I like him. My guy for kind of a sleeper is Jailen McMillan.

He's a guy who played on that loaded Washington Husby's team, obviously was the national championship this year, and have three receivers that are almost certain to be drafted before the end of day two. The top guy, of course, Roma Dunesay. Interestingly enough, in 2022, Roma Dunesay puts up 110 target, 75 catches, 1145 and 7. Jalen McMillan on the same team,

at the same age goes 118 targets, eight more, four more receptions. Comes 47 fewer yards, two more touchdowns. Their yards per route run, very comparable. 2.51 for a Dune, say, 2.32 for McMillan. And then a distant third really on that team is Jell and Polk down at 1.84. Go into 2023. McMillan suffering with a lot of injuries plays about half the games that season. And so his net product, or his overall production comes way down.

But once again, you dig in a little bit per route. And once again, it's a Dunezay top of the charts with an absolutely absurd 2.93. McMillan 2.30 just barely had a Polk at 2.29. And so when they're actually on the field, you really have these, it's kind of a Dunezay 1, and then McMillan and then Polk with McMillan much closer with Dunezay in 2022, closer to Pulse in 2023 while playing through injury. And now he's kind of treated as the third banana. He predominantly played in the slot, which makes a little sense.

But in the zone heavy NFL these modern days, I'm trying to shy away or less away from these slot-wide receiver archetypes, these zone beating archetypes. So McMillan's a guy who I think his production profile is reasonable and I think has a lot of very valid excuses if we're trying to dive into the Hoos production profiles maybe not quite as strong as it would be if unfortunate events didn't befall them. McMillan's a guy who found a way to produce a lot in his third. year and you look at the overall picture and you say, well, he's sitting there with two other NFLers, one potential top 10 pick and dealing with tons of injuries in his fourth year, still

really strong across the board per route. That's a guy that I'm going to be targeting a lot, assuming he gives day two draft capital in what appears now to be like potentially even round three of rookie drafts. Yeah. I mean, spot on as always, as to be expected. I do, you know what? No, I do want to talk about him. I want to talk about your boy from Texas.

because I feel like we have to get them in. We have a few minutes here. I think we can talk about them. So I've seen a lot on the amateur porn site known as X.com about, you know, speedy, wide receivers. They don't succeed. And then I've also seen counter arguments. Well,

look at guys like Devontas Smith, right? Well, Devontz Smith was outrageously good. Okay. So we're not, he's definitely not there. but he's also a better receiver receiver oh my goodness

he definitely has a better receiver profile than a lot of these other burners that we're seeing that always get posted right the John Ross's the oh my goodness I can't even remember them all now there's just so many burners Hayward Bay right type

type receivers to get drafted high for running fast 40s I mean Scott Barrett's posted a bunch of it the memes are out there even Henry Ruggs, let's say. But his production profile is actually really good. And it really makes me sit here and wonder, how much does Quinnie? You are suck that his receivers seem to be this good.

And he looks like he's regressing. Got a good path catching running back. Got a top two tight end. Got two of the top six, eight receivers. Can we free Arch Manning at this point? Like, this is, it might be Jover for poor Quinn.

But, um, let's talk about him because I actually like him a lot more than I thought I would if I'm being completely honest. I was expecting to look at I saw his way in. I made a bunch of corny jokes. Oh, he better run fast. Oh, look at Twigboy. I was I was having a day right in group chats because how many people that I know absolutely love him.

And then he comes out and he absolutely burns and even looks better in his drills. than I was ready to give him credit for. So let's talk about him in a more rational way. And I also do want to get your perspective, Jacob specifically, about how now it's, well, he's undersized. Well, Tankdale was really good this year.

Because I feel like that it is important to put, again, like we do with Kyron Williams, though it might give hope in how the NFL is changing, it's not necessarily a lock. So I love to get your opinion on them before we get out of here. This will be the last topic of the day. Well, it's always the same. right, I mean, a recent outlier from a size perspective or from any perspective,

whether it besides draft capital production profile, whatever it is, you know, the year after you get one of those outlier hits, people always then act like that. Outliers way more likely to hit in the future year. And we know that's just not really the case until we start seeing a sustained change in trend. One hitting is, well, we always know what's going to happen, which is that sometimes things happen and it's never impossible. I think the hope with worthy is that speed matters. I mean, it matters to me from a draft capital bowl.

Capitable, wow. It matters to me from a draft capital perspective, for sure, which is probably what I'm helps with the most. But it does matter to me also from the perspective of, okay, where is this guy going to play? Because the trap that we have gotten locked into with some of these short kings with really strong production profiles is that they end up being slot only players, right?

Rondale Moore has been a slot only player. and Wondell Robinson, you know, he gets injured partway into his career. So we'll see. But so far it's been basically a slot-only player. Josh Downs, who is good, and I have a lot of hope for in the NFL. But, you know, I was kind of open initially into the off season that that would be a guy that would become a full-time player going into year two. Now, a year from the Colts is they want to keep him in the slot and draft a wide receiver

to play on the outside, replacing Alec Pierce. So potentially another guy who could be a good player locked into. to that slot space. And so it's concerning when you're a 5-8, 160-pound player, if you're only going to get 70% of the routes, then you don't have a massive ceiling of fantasy football. You need to be a slot flanker.

And the exciting part with Worthy is hopefully that 4-2-1 speed is something where they look at it and say, okay, maybe this is a guy that is going to struggle to be press coverage consistently as a true outside receiver. But if he's so fast at Phil Stretcher, they decide to use him more adversely, like we've seen with the Hollywood Brown, who has been able to play inside and outside.

You mean, you bring up Henry Ruggs, and he wasn't a fantasy success, but he was on his way to be dead. 100% route rates. Like, he was running all the routes. And who knows what would have happened with him fantasy-wise. But point being, and also he was the 11th overall pick, right? So when you, if worthy speed helps his investment,

and it helps where our team's plan to deploy him, if he goes round one, then I don't think we're looking at a slot on. player, or at least that would be if he fails, right? The team would, I think, have grander visions of him. If he goes in late round two, teams do drafts a lot, only wide receivers, intentionally in late round two. So that's the big thing for me. The production profile is great. It's just these small, skinny short receivers has been a place where the production profile has really led us astray in recent years over a fairly repeated sample. So I'm just going to hold off and

wait until we find out where the NFL drafts them and go accordingly. Yeah, these are the type of players that just have such a a wide range. Like they really, really do. I mean, his, like you said, his production is really pretty good over three years. I know a lot of people look at players like, well, look at James and Williams, right? He's an absolute burner. He got drafted high.

Even he really only had the one year, right? If I remember correctly, when he transferred to have that one year, I would argue that Worthy's production profile might even be better. And look at how James, yeah. So look at how Jameson Williams has just held dynasty value. Even to now, he's worth way more than I think he should. So if this, worthy is the type of guy that the NFL says, yeah, we can use him, especially with how the NFL works right now.

He's definitely going to be worth climbing up rookie draft boards. He just will be. The usage with him is what confuses me the most, just watching him all three years in college. His freshman year, far away, his best season. And then it seems like Texas was just misusing him, but also misusing him because they didn't have another wide receiver to fill the role. Yes, he has burner speed, but they used him just as their deep man. And his efficiency plummeted during his second year. Yeah, he still had good results.

They used him out wide the most they ever been. But that was his worst season. And then this most recent year, still good season, not his best, not comparable to his freshman year. But they were able to use him in the slot a little bit more. not exclusively. He's best whenever he's used out of the slot about 30% of the time. And they had another wide receiver, Adonai Mitchell, to take over running just 60 yards every play to go deep.

So I don't think NFL team's going to draft him with the attention of saying just run straight a lot and be fast. I also don't think that they're going to draft him with the attention of sticking the slot and we're going to use you out in space. I mean, his numbers test really good for being. used in space, but that's not where he's best used. He actually grades out the best, however they're using him over the middle of the field,

just go past the first down line, and there you go. Use your speed, get separation, and then go off to the races. So I'm excited for Xavier Worthy, especially because of where you get to draft him right now. I believe he's going about the wide receiver 7 and ADP right now, which is awesome.

You already hinted that he has a very wide range of outcomes, I believe. We don't want to be drafting based off of the exceptions to the rules, but we have seen examples of these smaller guys who can be successes in the NFL. Yes, we have a lot of examples of them not being, but he is an outlier player just in terms of what his profile looks like, what his testing looks like, and for what you have to pay to get him on your teams, I'm very much in on that right.

now. He seems like the cheapest best bet. And even if his price goes up marginally with his range of outcomes, I think it's totally fine to take that shot on. If you're going to pick a guy to take your shot on, this is the one for me. Yeah, fair enough. I'll go with that.

Great episode. First of the rookie talk, I mean. And I promise you guys, if you have rookies that you want us to talk about that we barely talked about, we got two months to the draft. If you have someone specific in mind, just like show up in the comments section, I'm sure we'll find five minutes of the show to address someone specific or a question you have.

But I assume this was the part where you're going to give the rundown of our guests and who we were going to talk about. Yes. So one thing you can do, one thing I'm debating doing is doing a full Q&A type episode. We will post to Reddit, the Fantasy Points, Reddit, we'll post to Twitter everywhere. We might do that a couple weeks before the AMA. That's what I'm thinking we do. If you want an AMA from fantasy points, maybe we get Scott or Brett or Graham,

whoever wants to pop on, maybe Mr. Hanson himself. We bring him on Dynasty Points. We do a rookie AMA. I think that would be a great time. So if you want that, let us know in the comment section on this video on YouTube.

And we'll take that into account. And of course, next week, Scott Barrett, he's coming back to wage war against Jacob for, I think this will be his fifth appearance now on the program. Is there a war?

I'm unaware of the war. I will say your highest 13 takes come on whenever Scott Barrett is on the show. Yeah. Yeah. I know. It'll be news to me. Your face. You'll find something.

Your face gets more red than mine after a couple. Maybe he starts raging about Brock Bowers. One of my favorite takes so far or like clips that I've made being affiliated with the show is after Scott was saying something. thing about the senior declare wide receivers versus junior declares. And you're like, all right, if we're making up stats and just go on this long tangent, I absolutely love it. I think I'd said to you fairly recently, Thomas, too. So we might have to sneak that into the show next week.

Back into circulation for a preview. I like that. Remind me of that. And if you want more running back talk, we have in my opinion. I believe that was like a debate between every wide receiver who eventually socks. Like I'm pretty sure we were. talking about like Skymore versus versus Dotson and like

there were no witness. There were no with Chris Alavi was also in there because the talk was the projected draft capital of Chris Alave if he came out as a junior versus coming out as a senior. You're supposed to be on our side, Lucas. Supposed to be on our side here,

buddy. Remember what side you're on. I'm not not not on your side. I'm just recanted history. A lot of the people. If you want more running back analysis, is we have in my opinion one of the best in Noah Hills on in two weeks time following Scott. I love Noah Hills because his analysis is outside of the box. He does things and looks at running backs in ways that no one else does.

He was the first one to be on the Spiller Sucks Train a couple of years ago when we had him on. Cannot wait to see what he has in this class. And of course, more guests. If there's a guess that you want to see on the show, well, you can let us know that as well in the comment section and DM us. would like to. You can reach out at any time. If we can get to your DMs, we absolutely will. So there's a guest you want to see on the show.

Let us know. We're going to try to get that done as well. Jacob, you just released something from thinking about thinking, which you can get the link for in the description of this video. Yeah. Just a little post. Talked about, well, talked about a lot of the, some of the big hits from last year and how that could affect this year's

draft environment reflecting on some of my own process and then I'm in the middle like I've said of kind of just whenever I get a chance from work weekends etc of writing up my running back breakdowns is the first run through I'm going to do it in two stages one focusing mostly on the film side and one focusing mostly on the stat side and you know I'll keep saying I'm I'm still collecting any sort of suggestions that people want at any point in time in this off season for more evergreen dynasty can't talk about topics that they want me to talk about odd thing about thinking. Otherwise,

they'll find me on Twitter and wherever, yeah. We saw Lantern, I would love to get Lance Zerline in there. I mean, we'll take our shot, Ferris. We'll take our shots at Mr.

Lantzirline, for sure. I'm not going to say that we have a high chance of that one, but we'll, you know, as Wayne Gretke once said, you just 100% of the shots you don't take,

Wayne Gretke, Michael Scott. Canadian legend, Wayne Gretzky. Lucas, final thoughts before we get of here. You can catch me tomorrow night on the Full Tilt Devi podcast going to have or going to be on with Andy and John going to be talking more combined stuff, more of these stats that matter and are

they showing up in these combined test results. I hit a pretty good preview of a lot of the same players that we're going to be talking about. But whenever you're scouting all the teams in college football and try to keep up with them from the time that they were a freshman to whenever their seventh year senior because thank you COVID. Way that you notice them first is whenever you see a weird thing happening with the stats. So I've been looking at this the whole time they were in college. And if they are being drafted, we have said their name at least once in the three years that the Devi show has been going on.

So it's also kind of special because this is the first class that since Devi started, at least the players that are being drafted, we had followed them from time that they stepped on the field as a freshman to now being drafted. So that's a lot of fun, a lot of big names that we have loved the whole time. Some of them tested very well at the Combine, like an Xavier worthy. Some of them definitely did not like a Bucky Irving. And, you know, it's sad, but it's what it is. And we're going to have a good time.

And once again, make sure you are subscribing to fantasy points and go and subscribe. to full tilt get two entries into our malachi nelson jersey giveaway we are over a third of the way to our goal and once we hear a goal of 800 we will put another item in for that giveaway so make sure you're airing again for a chance to win do love you guys i got a round before the rest the acknowledgments yes yes take care doodles uh look i always like to end the show the same way and it's to remind people that there are people on the other side of your screens. So when we're talking, when we're arguing,

it is a bit of a competitive time of year in the fantasy streets and in leagues and a lot of chats. I like this guy better. You're an idiot. Just remember that there are people on the other side of the screen, right? We always like to remember that kind of thing. There are human beings out there. I want to shout everyone in the chat. Toronto Dave Ball is life.

We've got Boyd, Spence, Dave G. Ferris and everybody else. We love every single one of you. I want you to remember that clear eyes and full hearts can never lose and your best days. They're always spent Tilden. Good night, everybody.