Fantasy Football Daily - Puka Nacua, Dontayvion Wicks, Evan Hull | On the Clock! NFL Draft Podcast

Episode Date: February 23, 2023

On today's edition of On the Clock!, Brett Whitefield (@BGWhitefield) and Derek Brown (@DBro_FFB) of @FantasyPros dive into BYU WR Puka Nacua, Virginia WR Dontayvion Wicks, and a personal favorite of DBro's, Northwestern RB Evan Hull. Interested in playing Best Ball in 2023? There's no better place than Underdog Fantasy. Use our code FANTASYPTS to sign up for a new account at Underdog and not only will you get a 100% deposit match up to $100... but you'll get a Fantasy Points Standard subscription for only $5! https://underdogfantasy.com/?_branch_match_id=661346116268496405&utm_source=partner&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAA8soKSkottLXL8hJrNQrzUtJLUrJT09LzCtJLK7US87P1S%2FQhfJ0C%2FIz80qKAXq4AjkxAAAA --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Yo, welcome in to another episode of On the Clock. I'm your host, Brett Whitefield, and I've got another very special guest today. This is my main man, D-Bro, Derek Brown of Fantasy Pros. He is a good friend of mine in real life. And we've also been co-workers now at two, well, at one company, and now we're just really good friends.

But I do mess up fantasy pros all the time. I tell people, like, religiously that you're from Fantasy Points. And they're like, oh, really? You guys work together? I was like, no, he works at Fantasy Points. And they're like, you work at Fantasy Points. I was like, I mean, Fantasy Bros. He works at Fantasy Pros.

So, D-Bro. What did your Twitter handle, by the way, is D-Bro? underscore F-F-B. There it is. D-Bro underscore F-F-F-B. We got to push the Twitter handles here, Brett. Oh, absolutely. He's worth a follow if you don't follow him.

He's one of my favorite guys in the fantasy space altogether. He's an absolute juggernaut. I instantly gained respect for Derek because there's not a lot of people in the world that work as hard as me, and Derek's one of them. So. Oh. Yeah. Love the man dearly.

What's that? Grinders unite. We have, we might be divorced by the time we hit 45 and we might not. We already don't have any hair. So I mean, you know, this is the end result of what the grind does to you, people. So if you want to look like us, sign up. True. All right.

So for you listeners out there, we've been talking about this draft guy that's going to come out on fantasy points. I know I've, I've been teasing it to Derek as well, but this thing's going to be awesome. And we're going to do probably close to 200 prospects when it's all of a sudden done, maybe more than that, depending on what my schedule allows me to get to. But we're not just doing the skill players. We're not just doing quarterbacks,

running back, receivers, head-ins. We're going to get into the defense side of the ball. We're going to go deep on the O line. We're doing all the tape. So look for that coming out, probably middle of March to end of March. Once the combine is here and done, you'll really start to see more info about that dropping. and, you know, individual player prospects will be popping up on the website as well.

So that is a very exciting thing going on. Today, though, Debrough and I are going to talk about three prospects. I gave him the same format. I gave Mr. Marino yesterday. We're doing a guy Derek's higher on the most. We're doing a guy. Derek is lower on the most. And then we're doing a guy that we disagree on.

And we've been fighting about this guy since the Senior Bowl week because Derek was down to Mobile hanging out with the crew as well. Well, so without further ado, let's get into that, Derek. Let's start with BYU wide receiver, Puka, Nukuwa. This is a guy you're higher on than most, and I actually agree. I like Puka very much. Yeah, I love that when I texted you and I said Puka, your immediate response was, oh, yes. So it's going to be a good time, man.

I like Puka, and honestly, I think it's blasphemous, the fact. that this man's getting what, like a fourth round grade. I've seen even lower than that. I see what all the time. That's absolute insanity. Puka Nakua has a third round grade for me. Honestly, I could make you a really good case that he should possibly go back in to the second. You're looking at a wide receiver that if he would have gone to an SEC school, bigger school, larger program,

he would be getting more praise than he's getting. Like over the last two seasons, Brett, he's been top. top six so second and sixth and yards per route run against all wide receivers and 50 more targets he's been top 30 in pf receiving grade the dude is i mean basically my comp for him was dollar store depo samuel he he's tough he's tough after the catch he's a yak machine they used him um also on the ground i mean over his collegiate career 39 carries 357 rushing yards 9.2 per carry and five uh scores on the ground i mean over his collegiate career 39 carries 357 rushing yards 9. 9.2 per carry and five uh scores on the ground. round. So you know that utility is there and BYU is like, look, we got to get the ball on this dude's hands any way we possibly can. And so there's just so many different ways that I love Pook of like not only the utility to be used in the running game, jet sweeps, jet motion, things like that, but also he has got a really outstanding set of hands. You see him running out routes, routes near the boundary, and the dude has great feet and strong hands. Like, he was

17th in contested catch rate in 2021. So I don't understand why the draft community is not giving this dude enough love. He's the only reason that Jaron Hall was even talked about at Senior Bowl. Facts. Like Puck. Jaron Hall needs to basically send Puka like a gift basket and say, thank you for allowing me to go to Mobile. Because without Puka, Jaron Hall was not sniffing mobile. The Puka was, I mean, I like what you said. The, the, dollar store Devo Samuel because really you can use him a lot of the same ways and he has that make you miss ability that Devo has he bounces off a lot of arm tackles and what I love about puka more than anything dude is his competitiveness and toughness is insane dude this is a dude

who gets after on every play I mean he's a brawler in the run game too like he legit tries a pancake people any chance he gets as a wide receiver I mean teams love that kind of mentality and Puka does all the small things well, right? Like he reminds me of, like, USC's been producing a lot of these receivers that do all the small things well, whether it was Michael Pittmanorough St. Brown. Like these guys really understand how to be friendly to your quarterback. And Pooka's out there, whether he's panicking dudes in the run game or really working with Jaron Hall and the scramble drill. It's one of the things I take notes on is like, do you have an understanding of the quarterback? Exactly.

He made life really easy on Jaron Hall and the scrambled. scramble drill game. Really, you know, he's not the best separator necessarily, but he runs detailed enough routes. He definitely cares about that. You see him working on that part of his game. As his career went on at BYU, he got better and better at his route running and his separation slowly started coming along.

Another thing I'd throw out you too, Derek, like, I see Justin Jefferson level body control. And from a play style standpoint, I'm not saying he's, that's the ceiling. I'm not saying Jefferson's his ceiling. but talk about if you want a guy with pure body control, yes. He's a magician near the boundary. Like you see this dude make tough catch after tough catch after tough catch near the boundary. And to what that lends itself to, Brett, is if you have that type of body control, shit, I want to see you used in the red zone, man.

Like those are the type of drills where you're like, okay, who is going to be the guy where we could run a boot out to the side and sit here and hit you on the sideline or throw a fade in the side line or throw a fade in the red zone. the end zone and use that body control in the red zone. So I love everything you said, man. Like I, I think Puka is being massively slept on and some team is going to get a, I mean, honestly, like he he could be a starter from week one. I think that honestly looking at his game and the utility, he could walk in and be a starter in week one in the NFL because he brings the entire total package. He's physical. He runs good routes. And the thing I wanted to see out of him and we only saw him for one day in Mobile and then he

pieced out. You know, like there was rumors. Maybe he had a foot injury. I don't know if that was real or not because, you know, we've seen a la Alec Pierce last year leave early from Senior Bowl because of an injury. I saw Alec Pierce leaving on like getting on a flight

and he wasn't walking with a damn limp, but basically his agent said, look, you've done enough homie. It's time you're good. You're good. And so that's honestly like, I'm kind of curious if we see a lot of buzz on Puka, the closer we get to the draft, and his stock massively rises, especially after the Combine. Yeah, and Combine will be big for him, too, because I do think Puka is probably a slept

on as an athlete. Yeah. I don't think he's like a freaky athlete by any means, but I think he's a plus athlete. I already made the Amman Rae St. Brown comparison to the way he does all the small things like Amonra did at USC. But that was an aspect of Amman. People didn't realize how good of an athlete he was until he tested. Yep.

and I think Pook is going to do a lot of it. He's not going to run some crazy for it. He might even be a mid four, five guy. He's going to do other things well. I think the mid four or fives, I think a short area will be fine. And the one thing I wanted to bring up a mobile. Yes.

And the one thing I wanted to bring up a mobile is the limited route running we saw at Senior Bowl before he pieced out, hopped on a jet plane and was never seen again, was that I wanted to see, could he get separation on curls and comebacks? And I saw that in Senior Bowl. And I was like, okay, that's, that's all I need to see. That's all I need to see.

If you can gear down and you can get late separation as well as early separation, because you can look at his tape and late separation is littered throughout of it. But can can you get open early and can you get open late? And I'm like, okay, you can. Good. We're good. Yeah. Especially because he's, because he's not the fastest guy in the world,

he, his only way to really stack cornerbacks and threaten that outside shoulder is with technique. So the fact that he is able to generate so much separation of those hitches and comebacks speaks to, you know, he is an underrated route runner. I do firmly believe that. You just said something though that really sticks out to me in regards to him. And that's late separation. You talked about the contested catches with him. Anytime somebody references contested catches at the college level, it's kind of a red flag. Like, oh, shoot, why is this guy in so many contested situations? But I do something called true contested catch rate. Now, I haven't gone through and chart everybody yet, but one thing I noted in Puka's draft notes when I wrote them up was,

listen, a lot of these contested catches aren't Pooka Naku of problems. Nope, they are not. This is quarterback issues. This is the ball coming out late. This is the ball coming out without requisite velocity. This is the ball coming out in inaccurate spots and taking him into contested situations. So. I mean, this is the Drake London conversation all over again.

Yeah, it really is. Everybody was talking about contested catches with him. And I'm like, what you really need to do. talk about is how bad Keaton Slovis is. It's not Drake London's fault. He can't throw the damn ball to himself. Exactly. Puka can't throw it to himself.

He had to deal with Jaron Hall at BYU. That's not his fault. Yep. Yep. All right. I think we covered Puka very well. We're both high on him. Derek, I got a day two grade on Puka myself.

I don't know where you're at, but. Yeah, that's exactly where I'm at. Like, I could see, like, I've, put him on the round two, round three borderline. Like, I would not be shocked if he went round two. I don't think he goes there only because NFL teams are dumb. But, like, I, yeah. I mean, I think, like, he gets some buzz and stuff like that.

We're probably looking at him being in the round three conversation. Yep. All right. Virginia wide receiver, Dantavian Wicks. when you texted me or mentioned to me on the phone maybe that this is a guy you want to talk about I was I was in on this one too because I've seen Wix getting a lot of day two hype and I don't see it so when you said you don't see it was a perfect perfect guy to discuss on the pot so I dude I don't see it at all like I I don't really understand why and I think a lot of this comes down to

what he did at senior bowl and yes did he show more route nuance and that he could separate in the short and intermediate more than I thought he could. Sure. Does that discount his entire collegiate profile and say, well, you know, he's really the guy that we saw a mobile and not the guy that we saw at Virginia for two freaking seasons. No, that's not the case. Like, you have to marry all these different things. Is it like, okay, can he run routes a little bit better than I thought? Sure. Does that change how I'm viewing his translation to the NFL? No. In the sense that his best, season at Virginia in 2021, the dude was a field stretcher. And that's what I'll look at him as Brett. Like he is a field setter with poor hands. Yes, he is, you hit the nail on the head, man. He is a

stretch wide receiver that is a burner with bad hands. Like, you're looking at a wide receiver that last year in 2022, he dropped 23.1% of his targets, which was the highest amongst all FBS wide receivers with at least 50 targets. Imagine how frustrating that would be as a fan watching him play. Oh, dude, it's basically, it'd be the equivalent of watching Kwez Watkins drop a freaking easy touchdown in the Super Bowl. Oh, wait, we saw that happen too. So with Wix, I mean, that's all it comes down to, man. You saw in 2021 he was using the role that he should have been used in, in that he was eighth and a dot, ninth and yards per route

run amongst all wide receivers, at least 50 targets. But then you saw him try, They tried to convert him into a higher volume guy, use him in the short areas of the field in 2022. And basically every one of his metrics tanked. Like he was outside the top two fifth or the top 230 wide receivers. Like 230 wide receivers finished better than him and PFF receiving grade and yard per route run. He is just, he is what he is, man. He's fast.

He could stretch the field and he's got bad hands. That's not a guy that I want to sit here and be talking. about in day two conversation. Like, not, not at all. Like, that is a round four,

round five type of wide receiver and no higher for me. And that's assuming that he runs really well with the combine. Right. And I, I'm actually, I'm in the camp, I don't think he's going to run as fast as some are saying he's going to run. I've heard four three's talk and I think that's absurd.

Shit, no, I put him as a 4-5 guy, and I'm with you. I think if he gets in the 4-4s, he should be, like, kissing his cleats after he finishes running. Yeah. Another note with him, too, Derek, is he offers you literally nothing in the rack game, the run-after catch.

I mean, you can't scheme him throws because he's, it's weird for how competitive he plays at the catch point. I will give him credit for that. He does have good ball skills because remember, there's a difference between ball skills and hands. So he doesn't have good hands, but he does have good ball skills. ability to track the ball and get himself in position to catch the ball. He just oftentimes doesn't catch it once he does that. So for a guy who's so competitive in that regard,

it's weird to see him not be competitive with the ball on his hands. I agree with you. I mean, my my write-up legitimately says immediate lightning fast acceleration, consistently sacks corners, but he body catches. His ball tracking is good, but his hands are bad. Yeah. He must track balls on feel and then I don't know. And then I don't know what happens with the hands from that point on, but it's interesting. What do you think about his release packets? Because I've seen a lot of people touting it. I think it's okay.

It's inconsistent to me, though. I think it's okay. I mean, you're looking at a guy like his release pack. He has speed releases. Like he relies on his speed to get open. And I just don't know how well that's going to translate at the next level. Like, I don't look at him as a guy that does two different things. Like he's not a guy that I watch and I'm like, okay, he has good enough footwork and a varied

release package to get off the line if he is pressed. And number two, I don't, I don't see a lot of nuance in his route running either. So like where he's going to basically he's a guy that like if he can't run by you, then he's probably going to have some problems. All the nuance in his route running is in the vertical stems. There's no, if he's working back to the quarterback, it's poor. If he's working across the field, it's poor. it's all those vertical stems so yeah you you really look at like it's vertical stems and maybe some

subtleties like when he runs like a poster corner because i think that when he does have change a direction the one thing you can also say about his game is he doesn't lose a lot of accelerate a lot of speed when he changes direction so that helps him but again you know running by guys at freaking virginia is going to be a lot different than running by guys in the NFL right and he wasn't crushing them either. No. There was a different, like, if you put on Christian Watson's day from last year, he was a small school guy who ran by guys.

But when he would run by guys, it was by 10 yards. He was, he would crush them, leave them in the dust. Yeah. Yep. So big time difference there. I just look at him as he probably is going to, if he gets drafted on day two, people are going to, the expectations for him are going to be set way too high. I look at Wix is probably settling in as like a wide receiver four.

on an NFL depth chart that's being asked to to be a deep threat guy in situational aspects. And I'm comfortable with him as that role. Like, yeah, same. I'll take him in the fifth round. I've got a fifth round grade on him or, you know, midday three grade. And he's a developmental guy for me, though. He's not a guy I want playing right away. Or I'm going to ask him to play special teams.

Where were you at on Brayland Sanders last year? I was lower on Braylin Sanders for some of the same reasons. Like, yeah, he, he was a speed guy, but basically, I think, honestly, Brayland's a really good kind of comparison where you're looking at similar kind of skills. The senior bowl helped him a ton, because if he didn't go to the senior ball, he would not have been drafted as high as he was. Correct. Yeah, so that's why I threw that out there because they remind me of each other. Sanders, though, had way more reliable hands. Yes, his hands were immensely better.

Like the cop that I came up for with with Wix was Leonard Hankerson. If anybody is out there and remembers him. That's an old school cop. I like it. It's an old school one, man. But look, you know what? I go back in the treasure trove of names and skill sets and stuff like that. I mean, it's just, it's hard when you're doing comps.

And people need to understand this. Not everybody can be a freaking all pro. So please stop comping everybody to all pros and pro bowl players. Like, if that was the case, we'd have to. no depth chart guys like everybody be freaking like blowing the league up every year but that's not the case so you know be really i i don't like comps myself and when i do comps i don't i flat out i won't do floor ceiling cops i don't do it i do play style comp so when i'm same when i'm making a comp to a guy it's like oh when i watched him he reminded me of this player yep like the puka to justice

jefferson thing it's not that i think he's remotely as good as jefferson it's that he showed flashes to me, it looked like Justin Jefferson playing in that particular moment. So, yeah, I totally agree with you there. All right, let's get into Evan Hall, who I think is an underdog.

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while you're taking an app on Evan Hall there, Brett. Whoa, whoa, whoa, this pod's about you, sir. You need to sell me on Evan Hall. I need to be sold. No, here's what I'll give you my little spiel and then I'll let you fire. Yeah, I want to see your notebook. Come on. I'm throwing this back on the host here. So Evan Hall is this, so my big issue with this running back, class, Derek, is there are a lot of guys that can play. And when I'm starting to stack up my

board and score these guys, I'm looking for guys that can separate themselves from the pack. And Evan Hall doesn't have a single skill that I think separates himself from the pack. My top three traits among running backs, Derek, are this. Well, for the running side of the game. You need vision. Yep. You need birth. and you need the ability to create bound your blockers. I think Evan Hall checks one of those boxes. He plays a tremendous vision. I don't think he creates bound his blockers at all.

And I think the numbers bear that out as well. And they do not. What do you mean? Come on, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. And I don't think he has any burst whatsoever.

Holy, man. Just burying that dude. So you sell me then. Let's go. Okay, so as we were talking about this in Mobile, when you brought up his yards after contact and stuff, I told you then, and I'm going to tell you now, we need some context here,

because first of all, the Northwestern offensive line outside of Skoronsky is total do-do butter. They have been over the last two years. They've been outside the top 100, top 120, and adjusted line yards. So you're talking about create? That's one of the reasons,

and I look at the same things for running back, Brett. I look at can you create what's your vision and what your footwork like. Basically, what running backs, I want to see you be able to create plays and yards on your own because that allows you to be landing spot agnostic. You can go anywhere and your ability to create is your ability to create. Doesn't matter. We can put you behind a bad offensive line, a good offensive line. It doesn't matter. I mean, the increased level of blocking will help you in the sense of like if you're a creator already, then it's going to boost you even higher. But I look at Evan Hull as a creator.

Like, yes, his last year's numbers on the ground were not great. He was outside the top 95 running backs in yards under contact for attempt, breakaway rate, and lucivity. But again, bad offensive line. Northwestern's entire offense was basically crap. It was try to stop Evan Hull. and if you can do that, okay, well, then Northwestern's probably not going to do anything. But if you look back to 2021, I think we got a better idea of, as far as from an efficiency

standpoint and the metrics of who Evan Hall is. In 2021, he was, and this is amongst all running backs with at least 100 carries. He was 39 in yards after contact per attempt, tied with Israel of Bandicanda. he was 33rd in breakaway run rate and 38 and PFF elusive rating and 23rd in mistackles forced Now I don't use mistakles forest a ton because honestly it's just a volume stat

It's like if you could break tackles and you get a lot of carries A good bit of work you're probably going to rank I like mistackles force per touch Yes and that and that's honestly why I go with yards after contact per attempt and the other elusivity metrics more than I go with mistackles force

because it's a volume stat But this is all to say that I think Evan Hall, and he shows that he can create on his own. And if you turn on the film, his footwork is fantastic. He is able to sit here and sidestep guys in the second level in the hole, basically in the backfield. I think that he wins with not only his footwork. Like, I think he's going to test well in the lateral agility drills just based off of what he does on film. You see a lot of runs that if he didn't have the footwork, and the lateral agility that he has,

he would not have gotten five yards. He would not have gotten two yards. He'd have already been stopped in the backfield. And the thing that we haven't talked about yet, and that big media doesn't want you to know about and that Brett has buried the lead on, is that if you go back to last year, you hear about all these skill sets of running backs of Brett.

And people talk about the really good receiving backs out of this class. And you're going to hear the names of Jemir Gibbs brought up immediately. You're probably going to hear Kenny McIntosh brought up immediately. Maybe a few of the guys get into that conversation. Maybe somebody's really high on Tage Spears. But what big media won't tell you is that Evan Hall quietly led all FBS running backs in receiving yards last year. The entirety of them.

Everybody. First, top of the hill. Okay. As well as he was seventh in yards per hour. run amongst all running backs. It's a volume stat. Okay, so the yards per route run is a volume stat? 100%.

Now. Northwestern had no one to throw the ball to. They dump it to Evan Hall every other play. And so, but he did things with it and he rated really well. He didn't do anything with it. He did it. Eric. Oh, my God.

Okay, all right, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Beyond the numbers, what trait are you hanging your hat on? Oh, but I do want to address one thing. the Evan Hall being good when he gets early penetration is not a result of his footwork in my opinion. That's a result of his vision. I think he is very good vision. He identifies early penetrators quickly and knows how to subsequently deal with them, which is good.

That's his best trait by far. That's why he, so Evan Hall to me, Derek, is the quintessential running backs don't matter running back. God. So listen, why? Because this is a guy. He'll get drafted on day three. He'll be in the fifth round. In three years from now, Derek, you and I will be watching Jacksonville versus Kansas

City in the playoffs. And Evan Hall will run for 100 yards on Kansas City. And you're going to say, and we're going to text each other. And you're going to be like, man, I told you Evan Hall was good. And I'm going to say, man, I told you running backs don't matter. And that's where we're at. And it's so true. This is a guy will be texting about, see, this is why you don't need to draft a running back

in the first round because you can grab an Evan Hall on day three. I mean, I don't think he's going to go high. And I can't disagree with you that he is in the, the category of guys that are all for the first and second tier. Like, Bejohn Gibbs are in their own tiers. And then you've got a large scrum of guys behind them. Now, where I think Evan Hull can help himself a lot is how is he going to test at the combine?

And I think that I put him as a four or five guy. he personally told me he's going to run in the four fours. I don't know if that's going to be the case, but he does have a track background. Maybe we see him cut weight and run into four fours. I would be surprised if it happens. I put him as a four-five guy, but I think he's going to test well in the short area stuff, man.

I mean, do you disagree with that? I mean, what you see on tape when he gets into open field, he doesn't have the juice to change angles of defenders at all. That's why he's like he's your, Open field guy, he just settles for lowering his shoulder and plowing into guys. Well, see, I think he settles on, I think, I think really the Trump car there is when he's in the open field. One, I think he does have enough acceleration to you see him flash a second gear once he gets into the second level. Now, is he a home run guy?

No. I mean, honestly, the way that I look at Evan Hall is I look at he is going to win with vision and his footwork and I think his short area. his long speed or even his just raw speed is not going to be how he wins. But honestly, that's why when I watch Evan Hall, I see, and this is not a perfect one for one, but I see a lot of the same skills

to a slightly lesser degree as when I watched Romandre Stevenson coming out. Whoa. See, I like Stevenson was a, was a Yards created king, man. Yep, he was. Yeah, he was. he was and i think

Evan hole is going to surprise people man i think here's the thing if i think if he tests well i think that he's going to sit here and rise up some boards put it that way because he's got the size and he has the past game utility like him like so after you get past the top two

three guys i think you got him maybe tajet spears weighing in over 200 pounds and kenny mackintosh and those are the guys that i think that like could a team take those guys in round four and they fall into workhorse type roles. Those are the guys that I think that small bucket that could because they had the past game upside that they have the ability to play on all three downs.

Right on. All right. So where would you take? Where would you be willing to take Evan Hall? Are you willing to plant your flag and say end of day two, I would take him? I would take him. I think I would take him at the back end of round three. round four.

That's that's honestly where I think he, I think he could go round four in the NFL draft. If he goes round three, now, again, I think if you, the other part about this is I think he's more scheme versatile. So I think if you're looking at a team that also, depending on, you know, what pillars their run game scheme is also built upon

is going to change the dynamic just a little bit. Like, do I think that he's a guy you're going to sit here and draft and run outside zone and stretch plays for? No. can he could he go to somewhere like Arizona and they run a good bit of inside zone and you see his vision and his interior running and his lateral agility kind of show off

some of those things? Yeah, I can see that. Okay. Right on. Yeah, I mean, we're probably two rounds off on him. I'm probably considering him in the fifth round. I think that the problem with Evan Hull, the problem, well, not with, the problem for Evan Hull is that this damn running back class, is pretty deep.

Like, very deep. There is, there is a large amount of guys that are probably going to test okay, that all fall in the, I'm 510 to 511, I'm 200 to 220. And honestly, the problem is that there's a lot of guys that are going to factor in and be like 1A's, like early down compliments and committees and stuff. And where does Evan Hall fall in that hierarchy for NFL teams? Yep. I agree. All right. Derek, thank you so much for joining me today. It was a pleasure. We'll have you on again before the draft. I know that for sure. Absolutely, dude. We got to talk more prospects and we got to fight some more on these guys outside of text and call conversations, my friend. Yes, yes. Maybe we should just record our phone calls and just post them as podcasts. Maybe we should. Although some of those things are a little bit X-rated. I don't know if the people are ready for it. But, you know, it is what it is.

Awesome. Well, we got to get out of here. Derek, thanks again so much. Listeners, I will be back tomorrow with another episode of On the Clock. We are out. Thanks for tuning in to this edition of the Fantasy Points podcast. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review on your favorite platform. And come join the roster at FantasyPoints.com.