Fantasy Football Daily - Ranking The 2025 NFL Free Agent Class For Dynasty Fantasy Football | Dynasty Points

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

It is 2025 Free AgentTier Time for Dynasty Points. It is early, but never too early in the dynasty to look ahead to the stacked 2025 Free agent class with some landing spots we like. Use promo code - YouTube25 for 25% of your subscription Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ Listen to the podcast here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts Thinking About Thinking Substack - https://jakobsanderson.substack.com/p/lets-think-about-thinking (0:00) - Welcome to the Dynasty Fantasy Football Free Agent Breakdown (6:00) - Dynasty Strategy: What to Do with the 1.01 When Ashton Jeanty Is on the Board (17:19) - Quick Break (17:25) - Marvin Harrison Jr. vs. Ladd McConkey: Who Holds More Value in Dynasty? (39:33) - Quick Break (39:40) - Free Agent Tiers Explained: Starting from the Bottom (41:00) - Tier D Free Agents: Nick Westbrook-Ikhine, AJ Dillon, Jameis Winston & More (1:02:25) - Tier C Free Agents: Nick Chubb & Diontae Johnson (1:09:30) - Tier B Free Agents: Is Justin Fields Worth the Hype? (1:17:00) - Tier S Free Agents: Why Tee Higgins Tops the List (1:23:40) - Rico Dowdle in Tier B? Evaluating His Dynasty Potential (1:32:35) - Sam Darnold as a QB1: Should He Be in Tier S? (1:56:30) - Quick Break (1:56:45) - How to Transition Away from Anthony Richardson in Dynasty (2:03:20) - WRs Entering Free Agency: Hollywood Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, Amari Cooper (2:20:30) - RBs Hitting Free Agency: Najee Harris, Aaron Jones, Javonte Williams (2:33:00) - Stefon Diggs: Why He’s No Longer a Viable Fantasy Asset (2:36:45) - JK Dobbins: Don’t Count on Another Career-Best Season (2:40:30) - The Decline of Keenan Allen and Chris Godwin in Fantasy (2:46:00) - Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways Where to find us: http://twitter.com/DynastyPts http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/JakobSanderson http://twitter.com/RyanJ_Heath http://twitter.com/LGilbertFF FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tuesday night, we're back again. Want to thank everybody for last week's episode. Truly insane. Our most successful episode, you're going to go and check that one out. That is our first look at the 2025 rookie class. It was a lot of fun to get Brett Whitefield in here and talk us through a lot of this. We got a lot of questions about some players that were left off the list, some apparently more controversial than others.

A lot of fun in the comments section. a lot of strong opinions. I can't wait to get back into that. If you haven't listened or watched that episode, I encourage you to go and do so. It is on the page and in the podcast channel. Again, as always, if you're listening to this on the Fantasy Points,

Now Feed, head over to the Dynasty Points Feed, as the Fantasy Points Now Feed is going to be changing towards the end. And if you don't want to miss any Dynasty Points content, that's going to be, where to go. That being said, today's episode going to be a little different. It's a little bit of a different look.

Every year, free agents sign, and there is a lot of crashing out, if you would. There's a lot of overreactions to who's going where. There's a lot of this player is dead now. What's going to happen. What we are going to do is we are going to list

the free agents in order of players we think are A, going to be able to be difference makers who could actually cause problems for veteran players, late round type players, and really get into kind of a very top heavy free agent class as of now. Keep in mind, there are always people that get cut late. They're always surprise additions to this list. This doesn't include potentially traded or the Kirk Cousins of the world

who's just recently been replaced. So there's going to be a lot of trash cans on this list, but there's also some very interesting type players that we could make cases for or not make cases for. We're going to talk through those. We are going to touch on the Marvin Harrison Jr. versus Ladd-McConkie stuff because the chat has already asked about it and Twitter was alive and well. We have a question that we didn't answer last week that we're going to start with. That's the outline. That's today. Joining me on this quest, as always, is Jacob's Andrew.

Lucas Gilbert and Ryan Heath is back after missing last week to do much studying and much writing, if you would. Thanks to the full slate of games. Welcome back, Ryan. We had people asking about you last week. You guys put on a great show without me. I very much enjoyed that listen. So not you. Not without you.

More like for you. Like in your honor, I would say. Never. never without just always always in our hearts and they will find a great show in spite of you yes that's what that's what i'm hoping yeah as long as i can't if i can just keep myself from dragging you guys down like to a noticeable degree that'll be a win for me tonight we have comments like i hope it's two hours anti says i hope it's three he says he hopes it's four jacob is has a hard out at an hour and a half uh we might go a little bit longer the rest of us

long as you want. We'll see what happens. When will the week 16th projections be up? Tuesday nights. They go up Tuesday nights as they always do. Are anyone curious that way? Don't know. I'm leaving as I'm going to see Wicked tonight for the second time with Warren.

Oh yeah. Which is a totally reasonable to leave after 90 minutes of a podcast. So no one's going to be defined gravity. So, yes. So working in Wicked references for this show. Okay. Absolutely. Yeah, I love, I love feeling lost on references on my own podcast.

I'm going to get zero of them probably. So, yeah. All right. Luke, it's me and you. We're just going to slip it back and forth. We're going to play a little game to see who can make more wicked references without the other ones noticing.

You can't react. I can just say it's a lot. You're both going to bat a thousand. I don't know any of them. It's just a game for me, you in the audience. Tyler, Tyler says with his usual $5. And a very nice 69 cents.

Big question. now is where does the eventual fat dumpy on the trade market rank. Kurt Cousins, for those aware of the dumpy lore. I don't know. He looks washed, washed. Can they trade him to the XF? I already know where he's going to be. He's going to be a fucking cold.

That would track with their history. That being said, Ryan, last week, it was brought to my attention that we missed a question. And I hate doing that. It's not like us, but the show went long to say the least. So we promise we would open this up. This person comes from the pure potential YouTube channel found us. And I feel like a dirtbag for missing this question after he came all the way. It says, hey, fantasy points.

Simon Joseph here sent a small super chat in the video. It did get missed. Yes, it did. He said, I've got six 101s, five are my pick. And I was wondering how much league specific should determine whether I'm drafting Genty or moving the pick. He said he's got contenders that are starting. nine, no-brainer spot. Leagues that are mostly start 10, 12 teams that are in between, et cetera.

He says, put more concisely, my question is about the difference in my selling the price of the 101 between a shallow contending league and a deeper league where I might still be on my way up. Basically, I read this as when is it smart to take Genty at 101 when you have 101 and when is it not, is kind of how I read this question. Jacob, you and I have done a very long video on this in the Bijon year. I think it's a good time to bring this back because I don't believe that a true legitimate 101 should necessarily be taking Gentie if you can avoid it.

You obviously want to trade it for whatever hole you can, but it's not like Genties is not going to be valuable the second you click the button. Yeah, I mean, I can't answer this with any specificity because I have no idea, like really what is market value is going to be in terms of how much to trade them for. and I don't even know exactly how much I'm going to value in a vacuum yet because it's December. But from the zoomed out perspective, I mostly agree with Tom. The less valuable your team is, I think the more open-minded you should be to multiplying the value of that pick and spreading it across a lot of other assets because it just gives you

more chances to gain value versus consolidating it all in one piece with a really, really good team. I think that in general, what's more important on your best teams than value, is the opportunities for scarcity. So you want to get access to the types of players who just aren't in the trade market, not as in they're too expensive, but as in managers are just telling you,

fuck off, not interested, not available, not liquid. And, you know, it's very easy to see how Genty becomes one of those players. So,

yeah, more valuable team. I'm prioritizing the scarcity. I'm making the pick. Less valuable. I think spread it out. I think that's the right way to look at it. Knowing your league is also important,

Do you have guys in your league that, you know, trade for running backs that make the big swing for running back? Do you have guys that are paying two first, two first plus for Gibbs? Have you seen that? Are those guys in there? If you're in a league where they're like, I'm just never paying anything for running back, regardless if it's the difference of me playing a fullback and missing a buy week, then you're probably better off moving the pick when it's still a pick. Does that make sense?

I think that's anyone else, anything to add? I think that's pretty. The only thing I think I wanted to add was now is probably like too early to be thinking about it. Like I would not be not well, maybe you know you have the 101 at this point. I wouldn't be moving it until at least March, probably until after the draft. Just from my experience, you're always going to get the best return literally when it's on the clock or when it's effectively on the clock once we know the landing spot and all of that. That's just when people are going to pay up more. So, yeah, like, I would be sitting on it.

I would not be, from like a strategy perspective, I would not be telling people you're shopping the pick, like, far ahead of time. I think you don't want people to, like, smell blood in the water there that you don't want to make the pick. So, yeah, those are just the things I would add. But yeah, overall, mostly agree. If it's a low value team, you probably don't want to. If you can avoid it, you want a lot. longer or more spread out asset, a longer time horizon asset than a running back.

I also think that you want to think, I mean, this depends on who you are, how many dynasty leagues you're in. But if you're a portfolio player, if you're in 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 leagues, like most of the time, the way I start to think about it as I get around rookie draft time is I try to have ideal exposures to each player that I want to try and hit. And, you know, it's going to be easier for you, I suspect, to trade away 101s than it is to trade four 101s. So, you know, if you have a certain exposure that you have in your mind of what you think you will end up wanting to Gentie or, or you don't know yet, but you're going to eventually set that, I think, you know, it may be counterproductive to trade away a couple now, get to

April, realize, like, oh, I'm only going to have two Genties in like 34 leagues, but I actually would like to have six. And then it's like, are you going to have to then go trade for four more, you have to spend more than you just got in the return on the other ones. So I'm not saying you have to be overmarket on Gentie, but if that ends up being your plan, make sure that you actually have enough 101's left over because I think it's going to be generally easier to sell off the ones you have than to add more. It's also important to know, right? Like in a class that's this murky, right?

It starts, 103 is like, I have no idea. I'm sorry, but I got, I got no idea. Maybe the 104, like maybe if it's Genti, Tet, should. do in whatever order. Sure. If you're not sold on the quarterback, too, then it becomes a, like, this class is entirely up in the air. So if you're moving 101 to trade back for 104 and 107, you're just taking unnecessary risk

in December. You don't have to do that right now. See, I push back on that a little bit right now. Honestly, like, if you are a savvy drafter and you feel fairly good about a couple of these prospects, whenever there's so much unknown with the class and a very, clear player that we've been saying to 1-0-0-1-1-1 since spring

camps for starting last year. I feel like this is the time to take advantage of that, because I feel like there are going to be some desperate managers out there who say, there's a very clear 101 player in this class. And yes, I think that Ashton Jentzy's head and shoulders above any other player. He's not a Bejohn-Robinson, like, level of certainty

or level of talent coming into the draft. I think there's just a little bit more uncertainty. Even though I love his profile, I love him as a player, I think that you can really take advantage of some managers getting scared off by what this class is kind of offering and really maximize some of that talent, especially like as we start to sell this more, I feel like, you know, certain picks like, let's say the 107. Tom, you brought that up, but picks a little bit later on are going to start to go up in value and you're eventually going to start getting less in terms of what you're going to be offered for Gentie because a manager is going to start to be able. to talk himself into some of the players that he can see, you know, falling down the board a little bit. So at least like right now, I'm going to have a few 101s and I'm going to be looking to move them as soon as I can because I do feel like there's going to be a manager out there who desperately wants Gentie is willing to pay up. Yeah, the problem is you're doing it in December, right?

So if you can move Gentie for 104 and 107, like 101 for 104 and 107 today, you can projectively move 101 for 104 and 104 and 107. in March. And then you get even more information. You actually know everyone who's declared. You actually start getting like data and a little more. I'm with Lucas on this. I think I want to get the, I want to get it while people are fearful of the 104 and the 107.

Once people like 104 and 107, it'll be more costly. There's going to be guys. People are going to like them. It's going to be fine. I think there's going to be easily three first right now. I think you could get 104, 107, and a 2026 first rash on Genti and the 101 right now. Like no problem.

Yeah, again, like Jacob said, it's going to cost you a lot more if you go and make the big oops. And if this class stays with a terrible perception on it, now you're, I just don't think you have to do it in December. Right. I really don't think you have to make that move today. I think you can make that move when we had like, no, oh, the player you really were hoping to get at 104 goes back to school. That like, it just, it's too much. Luckily, there's no players like that in this class. But there's just.

there's just too much in December that we don't know in a class that there's so much speculation. I think I would just say if you want to make that bet that our estimation of this draft class is going to increase, which you know what? Decent bet. That happens. I would say more years than not we feel better about a draft class in late April than we do in December or in January.

If you want to make that bet right now, you don't have to make it with the 101, right? No. Because if you're trading the 101, you're setting up like a parlay for yourself where it's okay, there's going to be deeper talent that rises up in this draft class. But also, we aren't going to see the top end get even better in people's estimation. Right. Like that's just very difficult for me. If you want to make that bet with players or with 2026 capital or with whatever else you have to make that bet with,

I think that's fine. But yeah, I wouldn't be flipping the one. a one for that because it that does just feel like you're gambling essentially like that you're you're just kind of guessing where the peaks and valleys in the value in the first round is going to be when we we don't really have that much to go off for where where that might end up yeah it feels like like three first for one pick is hard to turn down period like jacob i remember there's a period time we said like anyone offering you four first for any player like it's hard to turn that player down that deal down no matter, even three, it's hard to just not send that out.

But it really feels like if you're doing that now, it is like, I know drafting more than anyone else. And then you get stuck with like Quentin Johnson because you really think he's a great prospect. It just, I feel like it's ego chowling more than you have to walk the type rope in December. I just feel like you can wait a month or two and the values really won't share. shift that much in my experience,

especially for someone who may not even be a savvy trader, who may not be someone that can get out of a situation that they've kind of walked themselves into by doing that. I think you have to be a pretty good and consistent manager, and there's just some people that don't want to do that

when they end up making the big boo-boo, the big mistake. So, lots of different ways you can look at it. Hopefully we hit that question and then some. After missing it last week, we apologize for that. a question one for 13 minutes right on track for the abbreviated show. That's right on track for an

abbreviated show, but we like to take care of our super chatted listeners especially when they're coming all the way from another YouTube channel and hitting that subscribe button. Obviously we don't do a lot of super chat stuff here on this show. It's kind of more of an open debate

topic type bit, but if you got a burning question, you let us know, we'll definitely take care of it one way or the other. That being said, break one we're going to hit right now and we come back we're going to talk lad versus marvin harrison junior because this was a hot button topic today and jacob the people want to hear your take on this it was in the comments already before we went live they're waiting i'll set that up on the other side of this break as theo the greek says like and subscribe the holidays

are coming and my family needs even more timbits than we have store already. I have freezers and freezers full, but it gets cold here in the tundra. We need to be prepared for winter, and I need the supply of timbits. And we can only do that if you guys hit like and subscribe. Help me not get fired. Let's look at a question from fellow Winnipeger, Dustin Ross, in the chat today. He says, I need to hear all sides on the RTDB v the people. He almost got it right. The bit is the people

versus RTDB. Pretty close, Dustin. Shout out to you. He says, of the day, which was Marvin Harrison, Jr. Or Lad,

I want to set this up by saying that it's very dramatic, very player takey, very shock value. And I don't think it has to be. Jacob, let's break it down.

I didn't intend that to be my day. First of all, I put on a tweet about why I have temporarily at least put Brian Thomas slightly ahead of neighbors. And then in a follow-up tweet, I said, you know, well, Ladd probably deserves to be part. Because I put on all these stats of Thomas versus neighbors, which they were pretty similar. And then in the follow-up tweet, I was like, yeah, I probably should have put Ladd on this as well because he's been so good.

But yes, he's clearly the wide receiver three for me in Harrison's four. It's kind of a throwaway tweet. And then 30 seconds later, I get sub-tweeted by or or is a very big coincidence. I don't know which, but I have a suspicion. By my good friend of the program, David Gautierry, it would be absurd to foot Ladd Vakki out of Marvin Harrison. So obviously I had to get in the replies. And then that started.

So, I mean, to me, it's just a matter of, I don't know, we do this. It feels like every year. There's like one bet that has been extremely profitable in Dynasty consistently the last several years. It is just whatever prospect was not thought. of quite as highly as the Tier 1 prospects who goes out and has a demonstrably elite rookie season in a full-time role.

Now, elite rookie season. I'm not talking about like, you know, the guys that pop or whatever, but the true established guys who run every route or at least start to halfway through the year or something. And then they go out and put up awesome seasons, 25% plus targets per out run, two plus yards per route run, 80 plus PFF grade. And then people always feel like the other shoe is going to drop. because people have made up their mind with this topological way of thinking where it's like, oh, he's not a wide receiver one because he's not a wide receiver one.

And we saw this happen, I think, most prominently with Alman Ross St. Brown years ago, with Rashi Rice last year. And this bet, I mean, it's not going to hit every single time, but it seems to hit most of the dang time. And this year, you know, I think we get set up with Ladmikaki, who is in an incredible situation. He's going to be tied to Herbert for forever. and yes, I think that they're probably going to add a wide receiver that's not Josh Palmer and Quentin Johnston, but lots of targets for him to go around. I mean, it's not like it's just some analytics darling either.

I mean, Matt Harmon is on record saying he has by far the best film with any rookie in the class, even ahead of neighbors and Thomas. His reception marks across the border are the best in the class from a data perspective. He winds up primarily in the slot, but he runs every route. He stays on the field outside of 12 personnel and wins in the intermediate. the field. His Addot is 10.3, which is totally normal. It's not like it's the rookie season,

JSN, Rashi Rice, gimmick Adat. He just seems like a awesome wide receiver who, you know, for particular reasons, people have decided has a cap ceiling on him. So yeah, to me, where we talk about the Harrison, and I put it in a fault, but I don't think Harrison socks or some bust. I think I still have them in my top 12

or at least top 15 receivers in my dynasty rankings. It's just where I would want to evaluate. Value Harrison is right below the guys who to me have proven doubtlessly that they are elite assets in their rookie seasons, which to me there are three of those guys. And then Harrison, if I want to bet on continued growth, which I think is very likely, that's where I want to make that bet. So I prefer glad and this cause a stir. And then Tom and I were talking about it.

And then it caused kind of a stir about like, you know, playing the market and how that factors in. So I'm happy to get into that too. but that was that was the takes today from from Twitter yeah i don't think it's not shocking to me like maybe it's just me i haven't been like a buy i was i'm never drafting him at 201 we're drafting him for a ceiling that he could not hit and that looked like it was the case and i wasn't you know tearing down from the elites to get them and then i was happy taking other wide receivers in rookie drafts and passing. Like I was a take a quarterback at 101

for most of my draft. It doesn't surprise me. Like we all see what we see with Marvin Harrison. Yes, you can say it's Pet Zig. You can say it's Kyle. There's a lot of different things. But what we can very clearly see is like a good player for these other wide receivers. Like none of this is shocking to me. I don't think any of this is like controversial at all like none of it blows me away yeah i think before the show i was saying that this debate's kind of boring to me um and the reason it's boring is because it whether you prefer lad or harrison is is kind of just down to what to what you

most use to make your decisions on players which it is boring to me to argue over anything that has to do with his production on the field in the NFL is obviously going to be, I prefer Ladd, right? And that is what I most lean into in my personal process. So yeah, I prefer Lad to Harrison. You can make like pro-Harrison arguments in terms of, yeah, as Thomas was saying, they're just the system in Arizona is all-time bad. A lot of smart film people had told me basically that, that seems fair enough as a consideration. Harrison, I guess, in this theoretical sense, has like a higher ceiling because he's bigger and he plays outside.

That's kind of a perception that I would always rather bet against, though. Not just be, what, is it technically true that Ladd-McConkie can never be like Jamar Chase or whatever? Yes. But is that, do I want to make my decision between a play? based on them hitting like the 99th percentile versus like the 95th percentile of a fantasy asset probably not like I've seen Amuneraz St. Brown go put up top five numbers we've seen Rashi Rice do it I am totally fine drafting these slot guys that people's brains just kind of break

over slot production is awesome for fantasy guys like we we all get really excited when the big guy goes in the slot I was writing the every thing report with Scott Barrett this week. He was absolutely losing his mind for like two paragraphs about how happy he was that Malik neighbors finally got to run some routes out of the slot this week. But when Ladd-McConkie does it or when a guy that's under six foot does it, we're like, oh my God, like his ceiling is capped. Like we got to sell him. Yeah, I just have never been kind of of that mindset. If you are, I get it. Like I understand why you would then prefer Harrison. about the slots if they don't play in 12 personnel.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's a legitimate troubling issue for like a Jaden Reader or a Josh Downs. And maybe that changes at some point in their career. But like right now they don't play in 12 and that sucks. But Ladd does play in 12. He plays slot in 11 and then he plays outside in 12, just like Ammonrod did or these other guys. Yeah.

And I just, I guess my last point was I think the only okay like anti-lad argument is I think he's injury prone, which I very rarely am putting injury prone labels onto players or making decisions based off that or caring about it. Another thing that generally you're going to do well fading against the market if someone gets labeled as injury prone. But I mean, Lad has been banged up throughout his college career. He's been banged up some throughout this year.

Fair enough, if that's your anti-Lad argument, And it's not like something I can just dismiss out of hand. But yeah, I feel like that's just every angle of it. It's just very, yeah, it's boring to me, like I said, even though I just talked about it for three minutes on interrupted. Correct me if I'm wrong here. But, I mean, coming out college, the biggest thing with Ladmikalky is that, you know, he would get beat up by, you know, press coverage. I haven't seen any advanced stats on it this year to see how he's been doing against press coverage. which obviously what he's put in terms of production,

far surpasses Marvin Harrison Jr. But Harrison Jr. was a generational draft prospect whenever he came out. That's what made him such a popular 101 pick coming out. That's why he was at the 201. I can understand people still hanging on to that sort of draft profile. But I do think that it's a little tough for you to make the argument that at cost, you prefer Marvin Harrison Jr. right now over, or Ladd McConkey.

It's going to be tough for a while. And I don't think any like Jacob even said to, nobody's saying that Marvin Harrison Jr. is a bad player. Nobody's saying that Ladd McConkey is a bad player here. You don't have to take that stance wherever you're arguing players, which we just see so many times. Whatever, you know, we're just scrolling through Twitter. Like that inevitably happens.

They've both been, they've both had up and downs as rookie seasons. They were both good draft prospects. Obviously, Marvin Harrison better, but yeah, I do think, like, as we stand right now, I'm going to be having a lot more Ladd-McConkie shares on my teams than I will be Marvin Harrison, Jr. Yeah, that's the, thank you for saying that, because that's the other element I forgot to mention, which, yeah, if you want to value the prospect profile a lot more highly than like the NFL production, of course, you would prefer Harrison.

But, yeah, I guess that's my overarching point is that it's ultimately just a debate about which things you value the most, which no one is ever changing their minds on. So it feels like we do this, like exact debate with different players constantly. We had just throughout the year. Yeah. We had a tear down Mike, Iowa Mike from South Harmon,

on the Dynasty Points Market Report podcast. And we were just discussing how perception of players tends to stick with someone, regardless of, of, you know, what we have tangible, in the environment that they are in.

And it really came down to, you know, if I have to create two, three narratives for a player to like, then he can really, really take off. I'm probably, I'm probably just going to avoid it.

And you have to do that with, oh, if Petzig is gone, if Kyler starts targeting them, if, you know, if they start using them on screens more, oh,

if they put them in the slot, now he's a power. I can't. I can't put that in there. So, and then if you look at the value of these guys, I went and looked for trades for both of them today, as Jacob and I were talking about it. And I've noticed that it seems like Marvin seems to get used to move up.

I've seen some Marvin Harrison and a 251 for Puka and a 252 type deal. Same kind of thing, Marvin and a 261 for CD lamb in a two type. type trades getting floated around. I see the same thing with Aminra. You know, Marvin and a two for Amin Ra, which is laughably hilarious to me, that people still don't value Amin Ra the way they should. It's wild that he's even acquireable.

But then when I went and checked out some Ladd-McConkey trades, some of it kind of blew me away. We got Nico Collins for Bo Nixon Lad, Ladd, Garrett Wilson for Ladd, and a third. right like lad for DJ Moore and a fourth lad for for Josh Jacobs

like these these are like completely different value spectrums if you go and search the Dynasty Daddy or Dynasty Data Lab for trades involving these players what that says to me is that the plus from trading if because Jacob your whole thing is I want to trade away

Marvin Harrison for Ladd so I'm going and looking and seeing what other people are trading these guys as. And it tells me that that's a no-brainer. It tells me that the plus that you should get moving down from Marvin to Lad, this seems to be completely different value gaps to me, is more than worth it in and of itself to capitalize on that right now. For what we have as projectable and real production that we can put into our lineups right now.

And yeah, I'm all for it. don't think any of this is shocking. Two things quick, and then we should get on with the free agent stuff. I'll note on Lucas's question, how the question about press. So I wanted to give, so yeah, definitely right. Very small sample of Routes to do his press lot in college, but it was poor. Although against man coverage generally, he scored very well. In the NFL, I mean, he almost never gets pressed because he plays predominantly sloth flanker,

so he doesn't usually the press coverage applies to the X. Harmon had him as only 10 snaps of press coverage in his midseason report. For what it's worth, he had a 90% success rate, which would be like the best in the NFL, but obviously it's 10 snaps. So it's a tiny sample. In terms of man coverage, generally, he had the best success rate in the class and had tons of reps on man coverage generally. Because his efficiency on man coverage is like up there with AJ Brown and stuff too. Yeah.

But I mean, if you read any of the scene, yeah. I mean, if you read any of the Harmon stuff on Ladd's report, I mean, it's basically just like, I don't know, he's the best wide receiver in the history of football. Like all of his reception rates are like are unbelievable. But anyway, so yes, that was the question of my press. The other thing is just, my thing with like a Marvin Harrison Jr. is, again, it's not like I'm like writing a scoff as a scrub. So it is very plausible that there comes a time in my life where I am looking to trade for Marvin Harrison Jr. Or at least neutral about it. I can't think of many players that I've been against or for their entire career.

But in the short to medium term, my perception of Marvin Harrison's market is that it's hard to get with players like this that have such a strong brand. I just don't think that oftentimes we get the full information when we look at what. what his trades are because it's a natural selection bias when we pull in trades involving a player in that that only tells us what what the, like that doesn't necessarily tell us what the universal cost to acquire is or what the cost is in your league. It tells us about one specific instance in which we had a Marvin and Harrison, Harrison Jr. that was a owner that was willing to sell and another one that was willing to buy. My perception is, and I think Tom was talking about this before, and so I strongly suspect you agree, is that Marvon,

Marvin Harrison Jr. managers are going to be very stubborn in their evaluation of Marvin Harrison because they spent a ton to get him. They picked him, you know, ahead of maybe Caleb in some instances, in almost all instances ahead of Daniels and neighbors. And so my hunch is that the only times that he gets traded in leagues is like when someone else in the league is willing to buy for like 97 cents on the dollar of his. summer price and you get these two Marvin Harrison Truther, junior truthers out in the wild. The Ladd managers are a very different sample of people. There's the people that had a lot of conviction on Ladd-McConkie like myself in the summer. And we're not selling Ladd-McConkie right now. But there's lots of people who

just kind of took the highest available in ADP, frankly, without probably even giving it that much thought. Oh, I'm up with the 112. Who's worthy and Thomas are going, okay, I guess I'll take Lad. And then they're very willing to sell because they don't have that same level of attachment. Right. So anyway, I just think that you're getting, the reason I'm saying all that is like, if you want to go out and buy Marvin Harrison Jr., I think that you're going to have to pay like the, if you averaged out how everyone feels about him and then you look and you look at that as one cost,

which I'll call like his market cost or his consensus cost. And then you look at what it actually takes to buy him off of a real manager who drafted him at the 101. My guess is there's a gap there. And you're going to have to pay a lot more than the consensus for Marvin in a way that you don't for a lot of other players that have less of this memetic value like Aladdin Conkie. But if you value Harrison less than that consensus value, I don't think that you should hold yourself to the standard of trying to get the value that some extreme Marvin Harrison truther is commanding. I think you should be willing to sell at that consensus value. I don't

think you need to sell for what the most Marvin Harrison bullish person in the world thinks. I think you can sell at what the average person thinks. So that's my point on these sort of different valuations of these players and why I think that sometimes when we look at the fantasy cop stuff on certain players, like Harrison where there's a very heavy sunk cost, it doesn't always tell the full story. Yeah, that's why I definitely, I agree with that completely. That's why I like to go and search as many different trade examples.

If I'm having a hard time, like if I'm having a hard time coming, up with the right deal or the right questions to ask, I'd like to go out and see what other people are doing. Because then I get to go, okay, so I wasn't kind of insane for what I was going to offer. This is rate kind of in line. And then you get to break it down with what you know about the manager you're dealing with. Because chances are you've tried to do a deal with that person before, and you kind of have a lay of the land.

I don't think you should ever be fully basing your trades off of what you are seeing on crowdsourcing websites, but it is a basis to begin. in. And that to me is how you differentiate, possibly maybe, you know, overpaying when you may not necessarily have to, because in your mind, you're like, there's no way they're going to take less than X and X. And then you end up, they, nothing scares me more than when I send a trade offer. Someone accepts it immediately. Like, without, that's when I know that I fucked up. That's when I know that I should have done a little bit more digging into trade. It doesn't bother me. I go great. I got a trend of what it makes me so.

I don't have to send a counter again. Yeah. Oh, honestly. I don't have to talk to this fucking person. That's my right. I can't be like, yeah.

I can't help me like. Trade off right side is I hope it's snap accepted. Yeah. Please immediately accept all the try. I can't help but think like, did I just play myself? It's in the back of my head. I want someone to be like,

you know, I want someone to like, feel like they need to get a little more at me. You know what I mean? maybe that's like a crazy thing that I'm doing to myself mentally, but I hate when I, like, if I send a trade to like DeBaradox and he doesn't think about it, I immediately think that I just got boned in the unpleasantest of ways. Not great.

Not a great feeling for me deep down, but maybe that's just something I have to deal with internally. You know what I mean? I think we've had enough. I think we're, we're pretty set. We're buying lad. selling Marv things can change I think we could have summed up the whole thing that way

but it was good to dive in I love Twitter there's always there's always something going on I also just love when Ryan's like have you not seen Twitter day I'm like no I've had this podcast before I thought it was kind of funny you pulled oh no I'm doing my job on me Thomas

part of my job is to go on Twitter no that's not that's not what I meant I just mean that I am not chronically online, Ryan. That's that that's it. Like nine times out of ten, if somebody asked me, have you seen such and such off Twitter this?

The answer is 90% of the time going to be no. Twitter drives me insane. Now, if you want to talk about some like, you know, YouTube streamer drama, I got you. I am chronically on YouTube.

I got you there, but not this other stuff. We'll take a quick, break and then when we come back we are going to pop in and start discussing some of these free agent tiers which after looking uh it's pretty top heavy we'll come back we'll get that going sit tight okay here we go we have got these tiers here it's real simple how this works um we obviously have our top tier to me these are actual potential impact players the second tier here the a tier is more for guys that you could play decent flex spots

people worth paying for even potentially now we've got some spot starts players who are annoying and players that probably won't matter but they were the topish end of the of the free agent lists that i went and found so i kind of want to start with the bottom a lot of you want to start with the top I kind of want to start with the bottom because it's just going to be quick that is so much trouble for us like if we start with the bottom as there's no way

very bad at keeping ourselves on schedule I'll do it you're the pilot of this shit I'm just telling you this is a dangerous fucking idea there is no possible way Jacob that you could have a 20 minute long aside on the potential of Alexander

Madison. Don't you threaten me with a good time. Alexander Madison. My name is Alexander Madison. Maybe we do have to start at the top. We'll start at the top because now I'm scared. Let's start it at the bottom with a strict time limit per player. I've been bullied.

You named the player and you tell us how much time we're going on. All right. Touchdown slash breakout machine. Nick Westbrook Aquine is a free agent. Is having an insane touch. season with more touchdown grabs than Marvin Harrison Jr. Rookie Sensation.

Possible that somebody buys in on him or he signs right back in with Tennessee. Do we care about a possible Nick Westbrookickeene come startup time next year? Because I get asked a lot of these are based on questions I get asked about them.

So we're going to go with no. I'm going to put him in, I'm going to go with the C. He's not in the low. He's not below him. What? What? We've got, trust me, I've got people that can go below him. The only thing I want to say about NWI is I would love to be his agent right now. That's actually very fun that he's a free agent.

I feel like agents get to just like dishonestly cite off whatever stats they can find to get their guy as much money as possible. I'm sure you can compare Nick Westbrook of Keyne to some ridiculous players in terms of touch. I would love to do like a blind. resume comparison of Nick Westbrookickegee compared to like some of the wide receiver. This was a test. Okay. And we spent two minutes now on NWI.

So that lets me know and that lets me gauge how fast we need to move for a lot of these guys. I want to talk. Darius Slayton is another veteran wide receiver who's going to hit the market. He's usually just one of those outside guys that coaches love. I don't see much in them coaches hate him personally well

famously hate him I don't think they they should he was every every year going to be caught in August and then he is the leading wide receiver for the Giants in November that was like every year before this year

yeah I could I could see him going on a wide receiver to plead the team and being some sort of flex play later don't really care too much about him let's go with AJ Dylan he's still in the league he's still in the league

he is on IR all year right he was he was he still had some preseason bump I will admit people actually thought he was still going to be in the rotation Frasian running back we're going to put him at the bottom even if he gets signed somewhere I don't think he's quite really going to matter

he's going to be one of those guys that you need multiple injuries I feel the same way about Alex Madison although I felt that way heading into this year and he's still just a super annoying player. He's a fine backup running back. He's going to be a fine backup running back.

Only 26. He has had a couple of 10-point games this year. One, two, three, five. Remember when Alexander Madison was like Tony Pollard in terms of how he was like. He was never Tony Pollard. He was never Tony Pollard. His advantage has always garbage. But yeah, Madison is definitely, I totally know what I mean.

Madison is definitely, I totally know what you mean, and Madison is definitely good at being a good fill in for like one game. And then it's like if you give him like three games in a row, it's like, ah, he actually sucks. But if you just need one game as a fill in, he's very good at that. He said seven, I would say playable and usable games this year.

That's nine points or more. And I think he's a fine fill in. I don't think he's going to make anyone nervous. But he's definitely someone. you're going to find in your lineup at some point, I think, in in 2025. It's kind of like the Joe Flacco of running backs where it's like, you see him for one game, you're like, man, this guy could be a starter. And then it's like, you see him for a couple more games and you're like, oh, that's why

you got a starter. Oh, no. Yeah. I love that. That's actually a great way to put it. Um, let's, I mean, we're probably going to end up putting Josh Palmer in this bottom again. He was a fantasy points favorite.

He was really projected to have this role. I didn't, I never really saw it. I don't really see it. People seem to really like Josh Palmer and shout out Canadian heaps, but I don't ever really see it with him. He's, I don't even really think about him too much.

At least out of all these players so far, I think he gets paid the most out of all of them that are on there for no real good reason why, but I just feel like there's a sneaky contract out there for him and it's going to shoot his value way up for like

two days and then everybody's going to go, wait, what are we actually paying for here? Yeah, shoot his value up. That might be like from wide receiver 107 to like 101. The player that I actually think is going to get paid the most because he's a veteran, he's quote,

proven, et cetera, I think is DeMarcus Robinson. I think he's just going to be one of those veteran guys that gets in and does, you know, a little bit here and there. He's got decent hands. He's got 28 targets this year.

I'll tell you what D. Rob represents. He's a very good blocker. And he's a winner, you know, professional, all that stuff. It's, if you have a wide receiver,

like if you're, okay, if you're like a Jalen McMillan, owner or something. Or if you're like, try to think of another example. Like I, if you're holding a rookie wide receiver, a second year wide receiver who didn't really do anything and you're hoping that they play more routes next year, D. Rob is not the guy you want showing up to the facility because he will take your routes. He's going to eat your routes for dinner. But if you have a wide receiver whose routes

are not in danger, who you know will be playing, DROB is exactly who you want to see. Because he is, he is just going to be there to block. He's going to be there to, earn 9% targets for route run and catch the occasional touchdown. But like, you know, Puka and and Kopp are able to compile like a, I don't know, like what is it, like a 60% combined target share of something insane with DROB just running around out there. So if you, he's exactly who you want if you have a good wide receiver. He is, he's not who you want if you have a very questionable wide receiver and the issue

routes. Yeah, Puka and Cup rank first and second in targets for outrun right now, which is insane, but they're doing that next to each other. Yeah, I love D-Rob on like the Chargers or whatever for my Ladd McClass. Yeah. Yeah, I see some JSN conversation that I want to touch on here at some point. It relates to Marvin Harrison and whatnot. I think that'll be a good one to touch on at one point but carrying on i've got two more completely three more completely junk players that i feel like we should at least mention um or count james but we'll see uh where to go the tight end free agent class is awful there's there's no one but there always does seem to be some sort of veteran that get signed somewhere and we go why like the josh oliver contract i don't i

know how to view like what NFL GMs view as payable tight ends so I put on the list that I think attention to tight end blocking obviously our game right so I think that there are two tight ends that are hitting the market that could potentially be annoying for someone's favorite sleeper tight end somewhere one of them is the conk daddy I'll If you are like a Harold Fanon investor in rookie drafts, like you don't want to see the conch daddy on your door. Right. Like the conk daddy is how you look up in week seven.

You're like, why is Harold Fanon at 23%? Oh, the fucking conk daddy. That's right. He's annoying. He's like an emergency tight end play. Like he's at 500 yards a couple of times. Really until Devante Adams showed up. He was barely play a safe.

six eight eight targets eight targets nine targets he can be productive he's one of those productive veteran types that that has a role he's like the type of player that would kill like a a dulcitch you know if you have one of those slow not slow but one of those low end tight end favorites i think conklin is one of those dudes that's just gonna irritate you period uh like your who do you guys think it who do you guys think it's the best or most valuable fantasy tight end that Tyler Conklin could like seriously dang like Theo Johnson just any any tight end who doesn't block because Tyler Conklin is going to block and he's like just a good enough pass catcher

that a team could be like well we're going to split 11 personnel reps between Conklin and insert undersized tight end and then Conklin and some other fucking tackle are going to play on 12 personnel right like that's why I brought up the fan an example like any of these any of these guys it's like you're going to look up and it's going to be like, oh, my guy had a 32% route rate and Conklin had a 53% route rate and Chris Manhurts had a 13% route rate. And I'm reading a Nathan Yonke article

about how Harold Fanon hasn't played outside of 11% in six weeks because Conklin is playing. Yeah. Yeah. The two names that came to my mind was like, but then I immediately realized that they're probably safe from it. It was just Dalton, Kincaid and Tucker craft but I think they already have two guys like well I think weirdly Knox and

musgrave are kind of meat shields there for both of them well craft the thing is craft is the Conklin he's just a way better Conklin like craft is actually a Y and Musgrave is the Kincaid it's just that they have it's just that they're blocking tight end also happens to be as good I'm sorry sir Kingade's already been conked he has Knox Knox is yeah exactly Tucker Kraft is him by the way i just want to squash all like he can block as well he also looks like sean micha when he does the nip up all right so let's let's give tucker craft some respect on his name i think it's theo johnson and jitavian sanders i think it's like davian sanders too i think it's over

for him yeah i mean i like i like jatavian i think he's fine in that office i'm not saying it's over for him that's what i mean like yeah those are two guys that i think are legitimately screwed and I'm going to be very depressed about. The other one potentially is one of my other favorites is Brenton Strange. Like if they bring in a Conklin and Ingram is gone for some reason to help

the blocking. Rough days because I really love Brenton Strange. I see Theo. I see your comment in there. You can block too. Yeah, he's really good by the way and I remember when I mentioned him on this podcast like eight weeks ago, I got eye rolls for mentioning him and that didn't

leave my brain. I want to talk about one. another tight end. Juan Johnson is set to be a free agent, big red zone threat, an offensive player, obviously had a role in New Orleans. This is another guy to me, worth taking a flyer on with,

you know, one of your last picks in your draft. He can end up going to a place that needs a productive veteran tight end. I'm like a Chargers, if they do not draft one of these young guys, that at that point, if he goes into a sweet spot,

I'm going to be into. If he finds his way to Cincinnati, if he finds his way to one of these teams that routinely rotate out veteran productive offensive tight ends, I'm going to be in on with the last pick. Yeah, Johnson's the opposite of this. He's the weird one where he is more of that

tight end, the move tight end. He's the one who's probably not going to play more than half the snaps, but the majority of his snaps are going to be in passing situations. The more of the seam route guy. Yeah, I mean, you want to see him go, you want one of two things.

Like, you either want to see him go to a team that's willing to use this kind of weird tweener tight end and it's proven that they are. And he kind of plays like their kind of role that like Ysiki played in Cincinnati this year. It's like part of the past catching member of a committee. Or you want to go to a team that you know, no matter what, is only going to play one tight end. And that, you know, and then it's high variance. Then it's either that means that Johnson gets completely buried, you know, like Yiskekei did for Durham Smyth. that year where they're just like we're going to prioritize blocking over you or that they're just willing to kind of eat it like what Seattle's doing with fat right now we're like fan can't block

at all but they're just kind of pretending he can um that's the other that's the best option yeah i agree so then two more garbage players and i'm only going to mention one because it's kind of a lull but he could also be a starting quarterback next year so we're going to talk about it i do want to mention Zach Ertz kind of as well but this one is kind of contingent on where yeah he's he's the tight end cockroach yeah I think he's

just going to stay with I think I think wherever Cliff goes in a relationship with this man that was my exact take coming if Cliff gets a head coaching job somewhere I think Earth follows him and then stay goodbye to your favorite tight end this man is

a top 10 tight end again this year and he's just pretty it's what Lucas was saying at the start of the year was going to end up happening. It has happened again. I think he's worth a mention. I think he's worth drafting at the end of your drafts in 2025. So correction here. I do think that was Ryan who was calling it because unfortunately there's another Washington

tied in. And so I have been like just absolutely loathing every time I see Zackert's going out there and just dying inside. But you know, it's one. It is for this. That's actually my second one. So I was not that one earlier. There you go.

I've been making my 2% on my Zacherts stocks. Yeah. It's been very sweet. The Cliff Kingsbury, Zach Ertz infatuation is like one of the most unexplainable and just like personally amusing weird crushes that is a thing in the NFL. I don't know what it is that Cliff Kingsbury sees in Zach Ertz who's like, I don't think. I don't think a very good blocker. He was never used in a blocking rule in Philadelphia.

Goddard was and Trey Burton was. He's certainly not athletic anymore. He hasn't been efficient in like seven years. But he ran like he turned off field and ran like seven yards after the catch this weekend and he got hurt. Like that's what happens when Zacherts tries to run after the catch. He goes down and he gets injured. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's remember. Do you remember the Twitter account? Did Zachers break a tackle? I have not seen this, no. Throughout his career in Philly, someone had a Twitter account that was just, did Zach Earts break a tackle? And then every single time you would catch a pass,

they would just tweet and no. That's hilarious. But I think, I think what you've seen from Earth, this is what it is. One day, it's going to completely fall off. But for now, he remains forever annoying.

I want to talk about Mason Rudolph is actually the one that, like, legitimately could provide value. I assume he's starting the rest of the year. Just like, I think they're over. Will Levis at this point. I think that is over, which I mean, shout out Will Levis. He gave you weeks 10 through 13, where he gave you like 17 and a half points for game. Shout out to you, man. That's like all we could hope for.

We appreciate you for your service, if you would. But it's kind of over. Someone's going to get hurt on a prime time game, and Will Levis is going to come out. And I'm going to sweet a lot about it. We've got, so Mason Rudolph has had three games where he was playable. He had the 19.5 point game versus Detroit, which is kind of insane. He had the 17 and a half game versus New England and he came in for mopup duty through an absolute most garbage touchdown I've ever seen in my life. For 15, he gets Indy, Jacksonville, Houston could actually make an impression, could potentially get resigned by Tennessee. maybe they bring in another bridge quarterback

but the quarterback free agent class is not great at all. It's not great and there's only a handful of spots. We have got the Giants in Vegas currently number one and two in the draft. They're taking rookies. There's a couple other rookies. And Ryan, I believe it was you that have this in here

as a different potential landing spot for another free agent quarterback that we're going to mention later, which I think is an interesting spot, just not as likely. So, I don't know, I think out of this entire bottom-ass dirt tier, Mason Rudolph could be the guy that provides, like, value in 2025.

Rudolph strikes me as similar to Brissette and Heinecke two years ago. Yeah. When they were signed to the Ritter Howl teams, where it's like, if you, if you have like a Bryce Young or an Anthony Richardson, like one of these quarterbacks where it's like a little, like, I hope that they get their chance next year. Like Rudolph is a very good scenario for them, I think, because the idea of Rudolph is like, we're not sure about our quarterback, so we need to bring in a slightly overqualified backup that we can start if necessary.

But you don't sign Mason Rudolph planning and hoping to start Mason Rudolph. You can sign Mason Rudolph as an emergency if things go poorly for your starting plan. So I think he would be a sign that, like, they're willing to give the other guy, chance in training camp in week one to prove himself. So I would take it Mason Rudolph signing as good news if you're rostering another quarterback I think. Yeah, I think he's best shot of staying in Tennessee

and them having like some fourth round rookie that maybe doesn't pan out or third round rookie and then you get a starting quarterback but I think out of all those guys on this bottom tier list that you're going to play in 2025, Rudolph has the best shot. Just my opinion. That's the D tier.

This is it. This is the low of the low. This is the most trash can you could get and somehow half of these guys are going to find their way into your flex. Have we not out of James Winston to the D tier? I was going to ask if we should add James because it was

just one week ago that people were saying that they hope he resigns in Cleveland and he's the starting quarterback week one for the Cleveland Brown. I still hope so but I hope for a lot of things that will come true. I think he's ass.

I think he's ass ass. I think he's ass ass. I think he's got off he's terrible. I think he's been a backup for a reason. But he's been super valuable in that role. Not anger on this podcast. Not anger, just Dobbs does kind of suck.

Just one had a really bad game and then one had two touchdowns. I think we can add him to the D tier after last week. I think if he has any sort of a decent game, Winston has looked at more in the C tier. I do. I think he earned a little bit more faith being benched for DTR not good um well the issue the issue with him is like yeah at any point during a season he can pop up an average 20 fantasy points per game for as long as the team is willing

to to bear the costs of that which is great and we're always ready and excited for it in fantasy but yeah i mean it all it always has an expiration date and yeah we yeah if it ever happens again i I guess like I agree like sticky note put it on my laptop James Winston cannot last forever right so let you know what happens to sound a lot like D tier DTR yeah that's that's a quarterback too all right let's move sorry Jerry Judy it's over but you had your you had a nice you had a nice six weeks like Fred yeah let's go let's go Cedric Tillman. Let's get back to targeting Tillman there,

DTR. Partying the fucking ground now. He's going to be like Andy Sandberg. Oh my God. Good reference. I got that one. Let's talk about the C tier. And there's a couple very clear players in this tier for me. One of them I want to start with

man, shout out to him. Season ends again. It's Nicholas Chubb. It's mostly over. I can see him I can see him taking a veteran minimum type deal and staying in Cleveland and him being like a rotational back in Cleveland and staying there or him taking, you know, the veteran backup route somewhere else and having some value. I think he's worth rostering, but I think he's now solidly in the, I'm probably never wanting to play him again tier. Not quite garbage, but I'm willing to.

to give him a little bit more benefit of the doubt. I much rather famous Winston than Nick Chub right now. Like Nick Chub to me is dead dead. I mean, Nick Chob, like the best case scenario for Nick Chubb is

like this year's J.K. Daven's the far more likely scenario for Nick Chob is last year's Rashad Penny. God, that's so sad. I put last year's Rashad Penny very far out of my brain. of I don't appreciate you digging that back up for me.

Yeah, that one heard a few people, I think. You would hope, like the hope would be he signed some, I mean, he's probably going to sign for like a very minimal amount of money as like a let's see if he's got anything in the tank. And then maybe he makes the team as like a committee member, number two. And there's a couple injuries around him. And then he gets a shot. And it's like, oh, wow, okay.

He's actually recovered. But it's like, I don't know, man. He's worth a long show. I hope so. I hope so. Like he is one of my favorite players I've ever watched play the game of football, and I would love nothing more than if he makes a full recovery. Sad year.

Bad year to hope rookies don't take up all the spots. But to me, he's worth a shot. Totally. Where do we want to go next? I want to go with, let's go with Mr. Suspended, Mr. Everyone's favorite wide receiver on Twitter that every NFL team can't stand. I mean, 12 fantasy points for game on a 50.9 expected in Carolina anyway, which is top 12. That was wide receiver 11 and expected fantasy points per game and refuses to get on the field in Baltimore.

And they want their comp pick. So they are not cutting this man at all. So he's done for the year. Now, it's obviously going to lead for Twitter to be like, by Deontay Johnson, the cheapest he's ever going to be. someone's going to sign him and he's going to be the guy i don't think so but i think he's worth a spot i mean i will say this i'm i'm go right okay i was just going to say this i will say this there dante johnson in hindsight a lot of things make sense now right uh i remember i was writing in march like it's very weird that the steelers were so willing to just get rid of dionte johnson

for basically nothing uh in compensation like yeah yeah whatever he's going to be a free agent after this year, like, why not take the production? I just, as I was like rereading some old stuff I wrote about Deonti Johnson, I'm like, oh, like, he's kind of, he's been like, I don't want to say like a head case or a character concern or whatever. He's been an abrasive personality to teams, probably this entire time. The Steelers have always done a very good job at hiding that with wide receivers historically. And now we've seen exactly, now we've seen that play out.

on two different other teams. So likelihood he's going to go anywhere where he gels and it works just from like a human perspective, pretty low. I do think if he gets on the field, he's a productive and useful fantasy player. So this much more than like a Nick Chubb is a guy I would love to like take a flyer on if the cost is low enough because, yeah, if it hits the upside is actually there, all he has to do is get on the field, right? Chubb has to get on the field and make a miraculous medical recovery and all of that just seemed way less likely to me. And even then you are talking about like a

running back in a committee at 29 or 30 years old or whatever it is. Like Deonti Johnson, it physically should be in his prime right now. We know we can score fantasy points. Like that's, it's the other stuff he has to get past, which is hard to analyze, obviously. obviously from our perspective with limited information. So that's like the kind of bet I'd want to make against somebody else that really thinks, oh, he's totally dead. Yeah. Yeah, he's a walking 25% target chair.

He's been that with five different quarterbacks, three different play callers. Like if he is on the field, he will earn targets. No, no idea if he's ever going to be on a field. Refusing to go into the game is a tough look for a football player. I don't imagine that NFL teams are clamoring to get him in the building. But it's definitely one to track the beat reporters closely. Because like if a team, I suspect he's going to sign for almost nothing, if at all. And it's one of those things where like, you know, a team is going to make him prove

without any entitlement or arrogance that he deserves a spot on the field and that he can be a good soldier. I don't have a lot of faith in him to prove that because he seems like a fucking dick, to be honest. but if he can somehow decide that if he wants to continue playing professional football and earning a lot of money doing it, that he needs to just be a decent person to be around. And I think he'll be fine. So yeah,

I suspect his cost of loss season is going to be like a third or less. And I'm very willing to just like burn that on all my rosters on the chance that that works out. But yeah, I have no, I no longer have any expectations for his, personality. So let's take a look at some of the bigger name guys before Jacob gets out of here, guys that I know

he wants to talk about. I want to talk about Justin Fields because I think he sucks at playing the position of quarterback. I think that he has a fan base that adores him no matter how bad he looks. But he was a worthwhile dart throw last year in the 10th to 11th round. a little bit out of him, maybe you've got to sell out of it, who knows.

I think he's going to be a worthwhile, he's going to be one of my favorite, like, dead quarterback picks that I seem to always love to make in like the 15th round if he gets there. I want to put him a little bit above because should he ever get a starting job again, you have an unreal fantasy cheat code.

I don't think he ever gets it. I don't think he ever gets that shot again. I think the Steelers sitting him kind of says everything you need to know about it. Shout out that bet that I'm absolutely about to cash. Speaking of bets, Jacob. But I

think Fields is probably the number two quarterback free agent in the free agent class with a lackluster quarterback class coming in, I could see someone maybe taking a shot on him and potentially giving him an opportunity

to start. Does anyone have anything strong about Justin Fields? tier and in this tier again I think he's a bad quarterback I think he's a great fantasy scenario for the Colts off season to me as a fan is that they just go like we're gonna have fields we're gonna have a rich

we only have to design one offense and then we're just gonna let the best the best guy play week to week that that would be like the best case scenario for me then the fucking nightmare nightmare nightmare scenario is that we pay Sam Darnold like 160 million dollars

but yeah I agree that's best news of the day for Justin Fields is Drew Allar going back to school. That takes one threat off the board. If Milro goes back to school, that would potentially take

another one off the board. And well, I mean, Lucas is using the air quotes here because it obviously doesn't like these guys. But like, that it doesn't, the issue for Fields is like there's only so many teams and there are so many

plans. And so So, like, whether or not Drew Allar is good. I like him. Lucas doesn't. We'll have that discussion a year from now. Like, if that was a possibility that one of these teams that currently doesn't have a plan of quarterback decided that Alar was going to be their planet quarterback. Now, that's no longer an available plan.

So this pushes fields up one rung on the possible plans. I mean, other things that are good for fields recently? Will Levitz is no longer a plan, I think, in 2025. I was about 200 feet away from Anthony Richardson trying to make sure that he's no longer a plan this weekend. Like all of these other quarterbacks taking themselves out of 2025 starting jobs is great news if you're Justin Fields. Because let's say it's Giants, Shadur, Raiders Ward, okay, that leaves, that would still leave the Jets. That would still leave maybe the Colts. That would still leave the Browns, right?

Like, that's a lot of teams where it's like, what's, what's their plan and maybe part of their plan is fields. So, um, big, big time target for me, for sure, especially because from the what do you win when you win perspective, we know what you win. Whenever fields plays, he's a low end QB1. You're, that's like, you run. To potential number one. Yeah. So you're, I'm definitely on in on the field. Like, I don't know, man.

Teams are weird, but like, if you can't, if I got my people with value. Darnold over him. That's totally reasonable. But like if you miss out, if you're not getting a rookie and you miss out on Darnold, like, I get that Fields is a pretty low probability bet at this point, but he's still a higher probability bet than anyone else. Wouldn't, wouldn't you rather take a shot on Justin Fields since 37 year old Kirk Cousins as a team I would? Yeah. Yeah. My biggest concern with Justin Fields is we've seen a lot of teams out there start really bad quarterbacks whenever their primary has gone down and have done absolutely nothing to try to go in and put even close to competent

quarterback play on their teams. However, there have been several opportunities for them to go out and get a player like Justin Fields. So start James Winston, you know, at some point in time, much earlier than what I think is Tim Boyle going to be starting a game this weekend? Like, I somehow finds his way out of the field every year. So let me. It doesn't make any sense.

and I only expect teams to act rationally a quarterback right now. I think, unfortunately, for Justin Fields, that he is going to go to a position where he is not going to have any sort of chance to get on the field. He's going to be in a very strict backup sort of role. And it's going to suck. Like, I still want him on my teams because I think he's going to be really cheap and we know what he can do. I just don't think that there's many opportunities out there for him to hit what his ceiling could be

from what he can produce on your team. I agree with most of that. Let me hit you with a counterpoint on the go and acquire thing. This is my belief. Maybe teams didn't want to trade for him and give up draft capital and have to pay us. But paying him on like a minimum type contract, like a throwaway type contract for these teams, might be more palatable than trading a draft pick, even a sixth round draft pick or a fifth round draft pick because that's where teams like to get their rotation defensive lines or, some diamond in the rough corner that teams really love on special teams.

NFL teams value those picks more than we think they should value those picks, but paying him a little bit of money to take the shot, I think actually could open up pathways for him to play next year more than a team trying to trade for him. I'll even add to that. I think this year was a little different because going into this previous year, he had been, he was still like the bearer starter, he'd been the bearer starter, he was still first round pick Justin Fields.

Now that he was, that he's been a backup all of this year, like I think what teams don't like doing is they don't, like, I just think teams don't, I think they're very conscious of how their fan base will react to things. Yeah. And Fields had such a, had such a devoted fan base and was like thought of so differently that I feel like teams last year were almost afraid to like make Justin Fields the plan and then have to then disappoint their fans if it didn't work out.

Whereas now, like, he's lower expectation, Justin Fields, where I feel like now, if they sign Justin Fields, the reaction of most fans would be like, oh, he's like, we're taking a flyer on this rehabilitation project, which I think is easier to pitch to the fan base and then would be less disappointing if it doesn't work out. Yeah, it's definitely a perception. It's hard to remember that this time last year, I was fighting all of Bears' Twitter because none of them wanted to take Caleb Williams. You remember that?

I mean at a point, I guess. Well, it was still clearly a good, it was still clearly a process to draft a quarterback over Justin. Trust me, I agree with you, but it is tilting the tail of,

at least they didn't. The point, your point about the perception, that that's what I mean, yeah. At least they didn't draft Marvin Harrison with the 101, like people thought, and then kept Justin Fields. I mean, that, I mean, talk about the ultimate

It's catastrophe. Jesus Christ. Let's, we're going to take a quick break. We come back. We're going to get another player. Actually, I'll save the break from Jacob Lee. You're going to save the break. We got like one to two more players we can get in.

There are definitely two players I want to talk about. One of them is T. Higgins. And he is obviously the cream of the crop. I got to find him. He's right over here. He's the guy. My thing with Higgins is I want him to stay in Cincinnati. I don't want him to leave.

I think his best place is Cincinnati. because we know what he can do and that's B.O.I. receiver won, even with Jamar Chase around. There are a couple other spots I think you could go to that would be very good. I mean, Chargers, we talked about it, all in. All in T. Higgins with the Chargers.

All in with T. Higgins on the Patriots. There's a few destinations we wouldn't necessarily love. I think this is kind of the no-brainer. Is there a spot that you don't like? Really, because we know the play. We don't we have to talk about the player? He's unbelievably good. The only spots that I guess I wouldn't like would be if he goes somewhere with like a mobile and bad quarterback.

I'm trying to think where that would make sense. Indianapolis. Yeah, but we don't need receivers. I mean, the thing is like, the thing is, the thing is like he is going to have such a ridiculous bidding war that the only teams that are going to pay him what he commands are going to be teams desperately needing wide receiver. So I'm not worried about him going into somewhere with too much target competition. Like he is going to be paid a stupid amount of money that I think is only going to make sense if you have the biggest need for wide receiver in the world. So I think he's going to go to like Carolina or New England or Washington is my guess. Maybe the Chargers.

I just don't think that the Chargers have the like necessary air of desperation on them. I think he's going to go to somewhere that like wreaks of desperation and sadness. I've got one for you. Dallas. Dallas. Dallas looking. Yeah. Dallas looking.

Here's the problem. They didn't want to pay CD Lam and they didn't want to pay DAC. So maybe they're cheap. But Dallas overpaying to like make someone happy. That'd be my. That's probably my dream spot.

I mean, I think it's not a lot. That's very money, by the way. That's like the Patriots ownership does not want to spend money. That's my ideal. think way to address wide receiver in the offseason is we pay t higgins a boatload of money and see what drake may can do with an NFL level wide receiver that that's kind of my priority over like optimally going the team to go to the super bowl but what that yeah that's that's what i want to

happen i don't think it will theo brought up one that is is fearful the cards one i'm not worried about it would be bad but i don't think that the cardinals would follow up spending the fourth overall pick on Marvin with investing 30 plus million a year in T. Higgins. I just think that that's kind of admitting failure on the Marv pick almost. I think that the Raiders won. Yeah. Like the Raiders are the exact kind of team that would be like, we're going to spend, because they could do that. They could draft Cam Ward and they could spend a dumb amount on T. Higgins and that would be ass. That's the, that's the worst spot for T, I think, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Although, I mean, I said that about Bowers and Bowers has been great.

Kobe Myers has put up really, I mean, really good numbers there as well. But then you get T. Higgins. Yeah, it's a function of, yeah, it is,

yeah, I kind of said that a minute ago and then didn't give the whole take, but, but yeah, you can get Cam Ward. There's actual target competition there that is relevant for T. Higgins.

That's kind of the only realistic place. where that would happen. Yeah. And I don't want to be clear, I think Higgins leads that receiving core and targets. I just don't think the offense is very good. And it's not like. I don't, yeah, I don't want a rookie quarterback. That's the one I just don't, I just don't want that in any spot.

It's just too much uncertainty. Maybe Ward is great and then it's, and then it works out. But like, it's too much. It's the one spot where you have the chance of potential bad quarterback play plus ugly target competition. like New England is I mean New England be the best because people are so weird about New England that they're going to think it's bad but it's like clearly not bad

like you would get to be the I don't think so unmitigated alpha with Drake May like that seems fantastic to me I think I think that'll push him into like potential second round in startups like this dude we were people were pushing up Polk Baker Pop because May got drafted right and now we're going to get no that wasn't people that was us that was that was literally That's me and Ryan. Also, that's not because of May.

It was because they were pretty. For me, it was exclusively because of May. Yeah. I would have to give it a shit about those guys if I wasn't such a big fan of May. See, ironically, I was right about May. But it doesn't matter because those guys still suck. Oh, I thought those guys were junk. I just was like, I was just like so confident that May would be good that I was like,

maybe he can drag someone along with them. That's what I mean. Hunter Henry, along with him. I think, I think. putting him on like the Patriots pushes him from like the four or five rounds to like two three I really do like I think that's correct though like that yeah I'm not saying it's a bad thing

I'm just saying putting him there like to me it goes bangles retriets and then like a handful of other teams but realistically bangles Patriots I think if he gets moved for him is like Ryan to St. Tom McCaukey T. Higgins is hashtag injury prone yeah he's he's we have to Shout out Andrew Cooper, but now I have to watch a hill for practice to let me know if whether or not he's good to go or not.

And I don't like that. And the issue for Higgins, like, there's a lot of guys that have gotten a lot of different separate unlucky injuries, but like he has one injury and it just happens twice a season. Like, it's his hamstrings are fucked. You've got hamstrings like mine now? That's not good, by the way. I'm a 36-year-old out of shape retired pro wrestler. I don't know if there's an appropriate hill anywhere around the Patriots practice facilities

either for us to get that information. Beacon Hill. Beacon Hill. Beacon Hill. Well, all right. Jacob, you got time? That's about a 45-minute drive away, but, you know, that's- Yeah, I got five minutes. You got time for one more?

I'll let you pick of the remaining free agents who you want to, who you want to hit on. I think we should get hit. Let's get hit with the RICO. Yes. Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, I thought that's where you were going. Coach speak has been glowing for Rico Doudal. I have been consistent.

I promised myself and I promised all of my followers that I was in a short-term relationship with Rico Dowell that it would only be one year that no matter what exclusively the bet was that he was just a guy

but just the guy was better than Zeke and that I would not talk myself into Rico Dattle being actually good but I kind of think Rico Della might actually No no no stop no stop being a great A-clinger No, I think it's got a good.

It's the one night stand, Jacob, stop it. Stop it. Brother, we got over the last, bud. He played the Giants, the Bengals, and the Panthers.

If he wasn't good in those games, we don't choose our opponents. Oh my. Lester men have failed in better spots. This man is churned out a Hundo with Cooper Rush every single week. Okay, I'm not saying he's some superstar.

These teams made Cooper Rush play, Rico Dowdle is, okay, like last off season, this all started where I didn't even expect that he would be the starter. It started in like January where I was trying to argue that he was not meaningfully different than these other backups. Like it was like, why is he different than like Ty Chandler or different than like, forget even who these other dudes were? But it was like no one took him seriously at all. And now it's like, I don't know. Is he that different than like, like what's really the difference between Rico Dowell and Chase Brown? You know what?

I'm not sure. Oh, brother. The odds. Stop it. 26-year-old back going to be 27, looking for a second contract. Get out of here.

Stop talking. That was hyperbole. The odds that he's a tie chander and losing direction to can-makers this time next year is our live. That's what I'm glad. If you look at the back of his jersey. Take a further live. When you look at the back of his jersey,

it doesn't say Pollard, you can let the Cowboys, murky running backs go. You don't have to attach yourself to it. Okay. First of all, Tony Pollard has proven this year that if he didn't fuck his ankle,

he actually was that good all along. He's been good this year on the Titans. So the Tony Follard truthorism has been back. I mean, less good when Tadj Spears is healthy, just saying, but yeah. That's, I mean,

I like Spears too. I like Spears a lot. But Paul has played really well this year. And as for doubt, I don't know, he's fine. Like, he is totally fun.

and people are so convinced that the Cowboys, I don't know, like, are people still living in 2016? People cannot shake the concept of the Cowboys being obsessed with running back when everything that they've done recently suggests that they are less obsessed with running back than any team in the NFL.

Like, I think it is totally plausible to just say, yeah, we'll give RICO one million dollars and he's our week one starting running back and adding nobody else. We don't care about the position. Yeah, I think some of that is because Gentie said he wants to play for the Cowboys and he's from there. I think that's fueling this round.

Last year, Jonathan Brooks played at Texas And everybody was so true. No, I know. Yeah, he also, like, well, I mean, Jerry wanted Jonathan Brooks, right? Yeah, he said that. No, I don't think he did. He said, why do we, Jeremy?

You think that was a calculated Jerry Jones move? No, I don't think. I think Jerry is just a fucking lunatic who says a lot of stuff. It doesn't make any decisions. Jerry said that Zeke was there starting running back like three weeks ago. Like, what Jerry says and what the cowboys do have no correlation. This is true. Yeah.

Maybe that, like, Jerry is like. Maybe that's the public disconnect, though, is because, yeah, when Jerry was legitimately calling the shots and was not, like, play whatever with the team, then, yeah. I think Jerry hasn't much of an impact on Cowboys decision-making is I have on Coles decision-making. Like, he's just a loud fan of the team who's related to people who make decisions for the team.

But, like, I don't think that he actually has any say in anything. Like, the things that he says don't come true. Yeah. Yeah, I think. I care what. Jones says. And I care what? So let me ask then.

Let me ask the question. What tier does Dowdell go into you? Like at least B. Think he goes in B? Yeah, he's better than Chubb. If it's Justin Fields, yeah, he's better than Chubb. Yeah. B's fine.

So where are you comfortable drafting them in a startup right now? Like, I don't know. What do I have? Let's see. I'll pull up where I have Rico Dattle rank. Like not high. Midseason startup, right? He's just taken off.

He is a free. He's the type of guy that can have a fourth round rookie running back come in and destroy him. Like the 12th or 13th round. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. All right. That's fair. Good enough,

I'll say. Not catching a ton of passes, which is weird. That's the spot where- Yeah, you think being down, they'd be like dumping the ball, except for.

Well, so that's the thing is they're not, except for last week, basically at all over the past month. So they played quite well. recently. Yes. Really?

So, 100, 120 rushing yards per game for Doudal over the past month, 70% snap share. But the Cowboys have been trailing on only 24% of their offensive plays over this spam, which was shocking to me when I,

when I found that up. I don't want the game. I'm not, I'm not, trust, but this is not like a Cooper Rush is actually good take. But, like, Cooper Rush hooked against Carolina.

He, he, was like awesome. I don't know who that guy was and he's never going to do it again. But the Carolina also turned the ball over like four times. But yeah, we want it was a bad week for the second year quarterback renaissance. Like the will levis, Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young comeback tour just took a shit all over the field this weekend. It was horrific on all. Yeah, it was it was really, really, really bad.

And shout out to Brett Whitefield who said that the Bryce Young comeback tour is not. been as good as advertised and it definitely let's not make them favorites for another two years how about that can we we agree with that decision makers out there in Vegas I think that was going to be a fine pick he's going to be a classic 10th he's probably going to get boosted he gets re-signed and they don't draft anything anyone of note I think he's going to get pushed to like the 10th round I think it'll be okay with that zero RB build type thing but he's definitely a player that could end up you know having a fourth round rookie come in and just wrecked his shit in this draft class.

So I think you're right. I think he's worth it. I think he's worth it. That's it for you, Jacob, I think, right? I just put in the chat. The road that was closed all day has just opened. So it just turned my Uber from a 30-minute Uber to a 10-minute Uber. So I can stick around for like 10 more minutes.

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And we'll start flipping through those throughout the show. And it'll bring about as much life as I bring to the show most days. So I think it'll be great. Or we can just crop AJ Hawk in here and put the logo right there on the forehead and just leave it at that. I don't know if we'd be changed for the better, but that show would be. changed for good. Lucas, I think I just need them to send an outfit for you to wear. I think that would be with like a sign.

I think that would be, I think that would be money making right there. So easy. Oh, better idea. Lucas turns into one of those inflatable blowups that go in the parking lot. Wacky, wavable inflatable arm tube are tube mans. I can't remember how it said in the show,

but I definitely love that. Are we talking about Sam Donald? Can we talk about Sam Donald? Do you have the ticker, Tom? I don't remember if the ticker is active because it's on a different one, but I'm going to make one now because I get to actually say it. So for those people that don't know the history of this, many years ago when it was Sam Donald QB1 on the Panthers,

and he was absolutely tearing it up, I used to run a ticker. across the bottom of the screen that said Sam Donald QB1 and I ran this for weeks and for the entire show and I'm pretty sure that's what forced our old co-host

Billy to quit is because I would not shut up about QB1 Sam Darnold well guess what baby hated or love it the underdog is on top and it's Sam Donald

he is an S tier free agent. Oh, come on. Lucas. Here's a thing. He's the number one quarterback free agent on the market. He's going to get a contract. He could literally be the reason J.J.

McCarthy is not the quarterback in Minnesota next year. It's not. I don't think that's now. Listen, listen, let me let me talk you through this. Let me get through this. If Sam Donald wins a playoff game, Detroit is

falling apart. And Philly is Jalen Hertz stumble away from not being If Minnesota gets the one seed and they win a playoff game and he makes an appearance

in the championship game, do you know how hard it is going to be to move off of him and have the fan base not riot? And with a lackluster quarterback class, the return on investment you'd be able to get for McCarthy

that would have to be enticing enough. it is very hard for an NFL team to walk away. Just hear me out. Let me finish it through. It's very hard for an NFL team to potentially walk away from a playoff winning NFC North champion, NFC number one seed. Do I think it will happen? No. But what I'm saying is the reason he's in that S tier, if it were to happen, congratulations.

You've got a back-end QB-1 sitting on your roster. And then there's a handful of teams that I believe he could go. go to. So it, in my opinion, has to be a McShanahan-type system. Has to be. Like, that's just, it is this chaos. It's the play action,

rollout, make things easy for him type system that we've seen. And he needs some weapons. Like, let's be honest. He's not like a standalone QB1 type guy. However, I'm just putting out there that it's not zero,

at least, that he's a starting quarterback in the Vikings. I think he's on the Rams next year. That's just where, like because Stafford last year was apparently extremely close to retiring, stuff with his contract, etc. He is no guaranteed money next year.

Possible. Not impossible, but that is my dream nut location for Donald next year. I will be loud and annoying if that happens. But he has to be an S tier. He has to be. I can't see what you're drawing. I'm drawing a horseshoe.

Oh, you think he's a cult? I think that the Colts and Titans are about to get into the world's most depressing bidding war over Sam Darnold. Erika Helots. And it's going to make me, I'm just going to feel incredible pain. Like, Sam Darnold getting paid $170 million by Jim Ursay is the most like me reaping, ha-ha-ha-versus me sewing experience in my life. I spent all of, basically as soon as J.J. Harty, Torres Beniscus, like, immediately, all I was doing was just like Sam Darnold was about to have a top 10 fantasy and EPA season. And, like, and it's going to be hilarious.

And then it happened and it's been awesome. I've loved it very much on all my dynasty teams. But if the result of that is a Kirk Cousins contract to go play for the Indianapolis Colts, like it's, I'm going to be, it's just in an incredibly dark, incredibly. incredibly dark place. But it would be great for Darnold. I think that the reason I think he's knocking it up in Minnesota is this. The thing that would make sense from Minnesota's perspective, if you just look purely in Minnesota's perspective,

is fuck it, we'll franchise him, right? It's one year. They have the money. You then still get to keep McCarthy. You start to Arnold next year. And the plan is, you know, then we start, we move. We let McCarthy have a full year as the healthy backup. You sell it like that would have been,

what would have happened this year. And now he gets to have that extra year of development as the backup. And then the plan is still McCarthy in 2026. This is what, 23 at that point? Yeah, totally reasonable plan. The kick in that plan to me is, I'm Sam Darnold. I would go like, how can you do this to me? Like, I would be like, I just gave you everything I had this entire season.

I have a chance to go get paid like life-changing. amounts of money five times as much as the tag by the Colts or the Titans, the Raiders or some team. Like, you can't, you can't do this to me. Like, I'll, like, and I just don't know how, like, and I just don't know how like how that's tenable to then bring Darnold back, like a depressed, angry and bitter Darnold. You would have a Darnold who hates you for tagging him and you'd have a McCarthy who hates you for tagging Darnold. And I just don't know if that's the vibe you want. Like this year, the vibe has been incredible. And I don't know if you want to come back next year with two quarterbacks who hate you for the same decision.

If Darnold is down for it, then I think that you do it. But if Darnold is like, whatever you do, do not tag me. I just don't think that you can do that. I think it would be like too detrimental to just piss off everybody in your organization. So I feel like I also have to mention. People are wondering, oh, S tier, like, that's a great. This is S tier for free agents, not him as a player. He's going to be the moment.

He's going to be. they get two years guaranteed by something. He is going to be the highest paid free agent in this free agent class. He goes in the, he's going to have dynasty value, guys. Like he's going to have dynasty value, especially considering we only play Superflex. He's going to have value whether you like it.

He has value right now. There will be several teams that are willing to pay him to be their starter because he's the only viable starting option. And then I think the only way to get him is like you're going to have to offer him, you're going to have to offer him basically two years fully guaranteed. I think to have a realistic chance to win the Sam Darnold sweepstakes. And then he'll probably get like a fake year three and year four, something like that. What's Baker's contract?

Yeah. Like he'll, I think he'll get something in and around. 100 million, right? Is that what that's, that's, it says contract value. What's the guaranteed? I'm pretty sure Baker got two years close to guaranteed. 40 million guaranteed. So it's probably a year or a half of that is guaranteed.

Yeah, I think, I think Donald's going to get legitimately, legitimately paid. So, well, and Baker has the 18- contract according to I read a I read a a short track

yeah I read an awesome piece on from Ben Solac on Donald today where they were talking about how they've managed this in this offense uh,

Donald has the by a mile as the lowest percentage of throws in under two and a half seconds only 2.5 or sorry Only 26% of his throws have been released in under 2.5 seconds. That's the second after him is Anthony Richardson, and the gap between him and Richardson is the same as the gap between Richardson and 10th in that category.

Overall, he is the third longest time to throw, which is behind Lamar and Hertz. And that's because Lamar and Hertz mix in somewhere. They have like 12 seconds time to throw because they're scrambling around so much. Arnold, obviously, doesn't really do that. It's just he's repeatedly... sitting back and waiting on these long developing routes. And it's a fantastic, fantastic setup for Sam Darnold that they have.

Because, you know, what does Sam Darnold have? He's armed talent out the ass, right? He's always had this incredible live arm. And he can be accurate when he knows where the ball's going. He has time. What he has never been good at is he's never really been able to progress and see the field and make decisions quickly. And he's basically been in a.

an environment where if you look at this time to throw stuff where he doesn't have to do that. He gets to sit back behind a great offensive line, wait for things to open up and then see it and then throw it. And he can do that. Whatever the next coach is, like Tom was mentioning, like they need to understand what his strengths and weaknesses are because O'Connell has designed something. It's not like he sucks. It's just that he's very good at specific things and he's very bad at other things.

And O'Connell designed an offense built entirely around what he's good at and mitigates everything he's bad at. And he needs another coach to understand who he is and design something around him. And like, I don't know if I trust, A, a coach should do that. And B, like, that's a dicey game to have a bunch, an offense entirely built out of long developing route concepts. That requires a coach that is able to scheme up good enough route concepts for those to get open. That requires Justin Jefferson to be consistently awesome. That requires an offensive line to block before. seconds on every drop back like it's Donald is very good but he's on this kind of delicate house of cards

and so from a from a what he's going to get perspective I think he's getting a lot of money from uh from how good is he going to be it's I need I need a coach I trust big time I think he gets like 120 I think you get I think you could push 120 140 three years uh you have Ryan you have the Titans that wasn't so much like I want this to happen that was more like what do I think is the most likely spot.

And yeah, just thinking about the Will Levis experiment is probably done. This is sort of a McShannahan adjacent coaching staff, depending how liberal you get with that definition. So pretty liberal with the definition. You met a Shanahan at a party one time. Yeah. Like with, yeah. Something in that, uh,

in that stratosphere. But I mean, more so, it's a coaching staff that just came in this year, said, okay, we're going to do like Will Levis for a year and see if we can make this work. Now it's kind of suddenly, okay, they're not more than likely in a position to draft a prospect that's going to make an immediate impact. Now it's like we're in save our job mode for this regime. And I think Darnold is going to be the most likely. likely guy that a coaching staff lands on in terms of who short term, who do we think can save

our job if we signed for a bunch of money. Do I, for all the reasons Jacob just laid out, do I think that's necessarily correct? No, probably not. It just makes the most sense to me in terms of who's going to be the most motivated to go out and sign a Darnold. So hear me out on this. I don't hate that. What if Tennessee goes out and offers T. Higgins a boatload of money and then goes

and tries and lure like Sam Darnold over. What if they just do the ultimate like Calvin Ridley making $7 billion? I'm looking at their cap. They have 63 million in cap space going in the next year. Okay. And they have quite a few players on this list that are post-June cuts that save them some ash. I mean, definitely garbage. Yeah, they invested in it.

I mean, we'll see. It is terrible. It is bad. But, like, they have some guys they could move. Like, I'm just, I'm just throwing stuff out here because this show is supposed to be fun. Now I'm talking about it. Yeah, that's, that is a problem. Just everybody knows.

Like, I currently don't want, this is my least favorite scenario for the cults because it's just a great way to stay nine and eight. But for the record, if the scenario is that we keep Ballard and we keep psych in and then we sign Sam Darnold, just so everybody knows, I will fully talk myself. to it by July. I'll be very excited. Yeah. Yeah, it would be hilarious for the Richards and people on Twitter. I will quote tweet many of them. My biggest issue with Donald being in the S tier is the fact that he is so situation dependent, and that scares me off of him. I think in S tier, you are extremely confident about the outlook of his situation going

into next year no matter what, no matter where they end up signing, even if it is a worst case scenario for say T. Higgins, he's still going to be able to produce for your team because he's that level of receiver. He's that level of fantasy talent. Sam Darnold is not that same sort of level. He has been in the perfect scenario with great weapons, a good coaching staff, good offensive line, and he's been able to produce in this situation. I don't think that every situation that's out there is going to be really conducive for providing a productive environment for Sam Darnold to function in. And so for that reason, and I really don't think he should be an S-tier.

Yes, he is head and shoulders better than any other quarterback that's in this free agent class. No argument at all on that. But I think that putting him in S-tier is you all saying that no matter where he goes, he is going to produce. And he's at least going to be, I don't know, top, let's just say top 18 quarterback. And I don't think that that's necessarily a true thing. There's a very real possibility that he might be riding the bench by week five, no matter where he is because either J.J. McCarthy is starting above him or some rookie is starting

above him. Yeah, to be clear, I would have him an S tier, but it's not because I think he's going to produce wherever he goes. It's because if he signs with the Titans, his dynasty value goes up. His startup price goes up one to two rounds at minimum. Yeah. And at that point, then you can make a determination if you're comfortable sitting on that. I probably would not be in this scenario. we've concocted. But yeah, I kind of think you can't lose with holding Darnold

into the off season right now because it's just very unlikely he signs anywhere where he's not a week one starter and is not a damn Darnold or Gino's fit next season. Donald. Put Darnold in Seattle

and I'd be really happy. I mean, in Dynasty, Gino's got one year left on his contract. He might have broke his shit. Quite good. I think I was Is he though this year? I don't think so

I think he's very good I think that their offensive line is very deficient I think if Donald was on Seattle right now he would be having serious issues You know Smith has 14 touchdown passes and 13 interceptions this year And he like leads the league and dropbacks are pretty close to it

Not like not to say He's 34 We saw a little experiment the other night of what another quarterback would look like in there. Well, that's Sam Powell. And shout out to everyone who argue with me that Sam Powell is good. As the Gino truther, that went how I expected, and that was actually quite therapeutic.

Yeah, it's just for getting a 35-year-old quarterback versus a 28-year-old quarterback. That would be the one. I'm taking darn it. I think that Gino will just be back in Seattle next year, but that would be the one legitimately if the Colts could ever get Gino. That's where I'm like, I would buy a jersey. I'm excited.

I'm starting to dream. about Super Bowl. I'm taking Gino over Sam Darnold right now. I would also take, well, I'm not, you're asking me right now, who would I rather have on my roster? It's Darnold.

I mean, like, who do I think is going to have over today? Who do you want on your roster going into next season? I would rather have Donald. I'll take Darnold and Dynasty solely because he's not 34? Yeah, just because of the age where

like getting worse? I don't think. Gino is getting worse. I think he has no office line. But if, yeah, it's just, Gino has no,

like market growth. Like, he is what he is until he can't play anymore. Yeah. So he's like, Gino is worth, I don't know, early two or something like that.

And not even. That or less. I would happily pay early two for, for, I know. You just, you're not getting that when you send the offers out right now. Not any,

any that I've tried to offload, none. But you have to pay two seconds to go get, Arnold. No, I don't. I would have sent it to you. Yeah. But yeah, I think, anyway, point being, like, his value is obviously capped because

it's, he has the age. Whereas, like, Donald the least, like, I don't think it's going to go great for Donald in his next stop. But he has the upside, like, a Baker did this year where, like, if Donald comes out and he backs it up and he has a second very good year, he can continue to grow his value. Like, Baker's probably worth a base one or more right now because he has that, he has the runway.

So, yeah. I think if Darnell proves that he is actually legitimate, which is a long shot. I won't disagree. Like if I were to look at... If I were to look at ADP, right, from last year, May through August, and look at some of the quarterbacks, Levis was in round eight, Stafford in round nine,

hilariously Deshawn Watson in round eight, you're telling me that we cousins in round seven. You're telling me Darnold doesn't jump from like this ass tier of like Gino in the 11. 11th, mind you, car in the 12th, to like, he can't fit in the 8th round. That's value addition to me. Like, he's gaining value the second he signs somewhere.

I would just take that for my... And he's gonna be... If Darnold goes to the Rams... If Darnold goes to the Rams as a starter, do you think people will draft him over Dak Prescott? They would probably be dumb enough, too. I mean, here's the thing. Like, I think if that's actually fine,

because people will draft like golf over Dak Prescott, right? And like, I know exactly what he looks like in a Sean McVeigh system because he's been in one this whole year and it's great. So I'm actually like the Rams would be the one spot where I'm not even just optimistic it would work. I'm like borderline certain. Yeah. There's other spots.

Like if you went to like the jets or the Titans, I'm abandoning ship real fast. Yeah. If you went, the Colts would be able to. like one that's on the edge. I could see how that works out because they do have a pretty good offensive line. Because you back yourself into it. No, I don't think it's unreasonable to it. The Colts are

a better situation for Darnold than the type. Yeah. They just are. It's for them. But it's obviously not as good as the as good as the Rams. So yeah. That's kind of my point though. Yeah, like the value ceiling is enticing with Darnold

over Regina. Like Donald is a guy likely could to score fantasy. points. Donald's a guy. The Jets would be bad, I think. To me, the most important thing for Donald is the offensive line, not the weapons. So, like, if you went to the Jets, I think a lot of people would be very excited

because he would have Garrett Wilson and presumably Devante Adams. And that would be where I'd be nervous. He's one we should have brought up. Adams is one we should have brought up, actually, because his contract is, like, not doable next year. So I didn't, so here's the thing. I didn't. So

the only reason I didn't put Adams is, I think, he goes wherever Rogers goes. I think they're going to find a way to make that happen. And if Rogers is on the Jets next year, Adams is going to negotiate his contract. Rogers is playing in the NFL next year, right? I don't know. I think he thinks he is. I think he thinks he is too. And he's getting like a 40% target share the last. And that's what I, and, and he's going out there to, to just stat pat himself to prove to the league that he can still play. I think, I think that's, so that's why I didn't, I didn't put Adams on here because I'm just, still not convinced he's not just going to tail Rogers anywhere he goes.

So I'm not putting him on there yet. I agree. The weird thing with Rogers is that like he is obviously better than some quarterbacks who teams will start next year. Yeah, but he's also the most likely quarterback. If you're a coach, you're a GM and you're bringing in Aaron Rogers, the most likely quarterback to get you fired is Aaron Rogers. That's the thing.

It's like he is okay. He's still okay. He's probably still like the 21st best quarterback in the league. It's just that he's so annoying. He's not good enough to win a Super Bowl at this point. So like, what is the point? And he'll lobby for you to lose your job if things don't go his way. If I'm an organization, it's like, why would I want to employ the most annoying person in the world to be not that good?

Like, that seems horrible. Like, if I was, like, as a Colts fan, a team in the need of quarterback, like, I would rather start anyone than have to deal with Aaron Rogers in my life. Like, that sounds awful. I want to address the chat here before he goes. M-T.M. Revolts, did Jimmy G. and gained value? Jimmy G had already couldn't lose this value. He lost his job to trade Lance.

That killed him. So that's why. And also, Jimmy Gropolo never had a season like Donald is having now. So that's important to note as well. Jacob, you have to get out of here. He wants the QB2 in Dynasty. Yeah, what do we mean did Jimmy G in value? After Jimmy G's, after Jimmy G had like five starts

The year that he got traded, he was the QB2 in DLF ADP, the following off season. Yeah, there was Baker Mayfield and then Jimmy Garoppola. I can't. Austin Sports Radio was revolting when we got rid of Jimmy G instead of playing. I can't. That was a moment in time.

So first off, first off, I don't. Hold on. First off, I played Dynasty in 2019. That's when I started. So I missed that whole thing. Yes. Same as you. This is things that I found out that I did not know were true. Yeah, that's disgusting.

Absolutely disgusting. That being said, Jacob, you do have to go, enjoy your show. Me and the boys here are going to polish off these last couple of options that we have. Pause. and then get out of here. We will talk about what we're doing for Christmas and New Year's Eve as the holidays seem to all just want to wrap up here on Dynasty Point.

So enjoy your show. We'll be right back after this break. And we will hit some of these wide receivers next. So sit tight. All right, gentlemen, we are here. We have got here. I kind of want to know what you guys think about this question.

We're going to get into the question here. We're not missing it this time, Simon, I swear. He says, I'm overweight on A. Rich. I'm sorry to hear that. He said, flip ideas, DAC, J.J. McCarthy, or Pennix, question mark. I would trade A. Rich for Dak straight up. Right now, if I could, I would trade A. Rich for J.J. McCarthy right now, if I could. And if I could grab Pennix and get anything on top, I would do that right now.

I'm tempted to just re-roll pennics right now. I think all three of those trades are more than viable. Know your league and know what you have in that league to garner whether or not you get some pluses. Maybe do what I did at the top of the show and search some crowdsource trade ideas to give you trade structure ideas to see what we're best for your team. I won out on A rich. If you guys have anything else, you let me know. I agree with everything you just said. The only thing I want to say is it is impossible to trade for J.J. McCarthy.

This is another one of the kind of in the Marvin Harrison vein of players where everyone that has J.J. McCarthy. It's very intense. Yeah. It's it's all Thomas. They all have him very intentionally. And anytime you think like, oh, look, it's J.J. McCarthy. Like that's, I'm on a rebuilder or whatever.

Like let's get some points off my roster value on my team. No. No one is allowing you to do that who has JJ McCarthy. And I, yeah, I can say that as someone that's been trying to do that for three months. It's one of those situations. We're like, man, I would love to have this. Ah, because you see who has him. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. And it's usually somebody unrelenting like myself who had this baked into the possibilities the entire time. Yeah, JJ McCarthy was a good buy in the fourth. But that being said, technically A. Rich is still valued higher than J.J. McCarthy. So maybe it's worth a shot. I think all three of these are good options. I just think as A. Rich struggles more and more and more. What you need to trade Anthony Richardson is a week where everyone on Twitter says, but if you just watched the film, he looked way

better on film than he did in the stat sheet. He looked great on film today. Just didn't predict. You need that. That is like one in every three or so week. So you're right that you should yeah you you got a couple more chances to roll into that here that's probably what you won't wait on they were there last week doing this to andy buckler on twitter and my guy uh mr perry mr jake perry um they were saying a rich played well last week like not this last week we okay like two weeks ago i guess i don't have that thing it was hashtag watch the game for a rich performances yeah it was hashtag watch the game check the film uh you don't know what you're talking about. They lead the league in drops.

His team let him down, etc. You need that week and hope you find the right manager. I thought he played decent against the Patriots. Was it that week? How many weeks ago was that? That's two weeks ago. Probably. Probably. Yeah. He legitimately did play pretty well against the Patriots. Trade him away. Yeah. Well, that's when you do.

To me, the way this question is posed, your player ideas, you don't need to be looking at what players you can get you need to be looking at what managers would take him and then look at the roster to me i would completely reshape this question to who are the managers that i can approach and who are the players i can get off their roster that makes sense more than this player is on this manager's roster let's do what i have to to get them that makes sense i think it's just how you shape that question a little bit differently for a player in limbo like this so i'm looking at whoever has james winston right now who like snuck into the playoffs with him as a community two last week and yeah and you're moving

anthony richmond to him if he has an injured quarterback you can take back perfect if he doesn't that's probably the only manager out there right now like if you have to trade him today like you just told yourself i have to move off of them that's that's about the only one that makes sense there's very few out there that does make sense for but i don't know if it's really worth trying to hold onto him at least until like free agency gets started like yeah his values going to go up if the colts don't sign anybody at least for a little bit until the draft and then you'll wait and see if they draft anyone then it might go up again but i don't know if i'm willing to take that bet that they won't sign or draft anybody who's legitimate competition he's like on the just and field's path two

years earlier, which is terrifying. I traded him for Jared Goff like weeks ago and got made fun of on Twitter and calling that a day today, ladies and gentlemen. Feel good about that after last week. Let's move on here.

The wide receiver drops most since 2015, which is shared in responsibility. Yeah, he's still been ass. And throwing a catchable ball exists. That's a real thing. Like, Lamar Jackson didn't get that that kind of bump when he had like previously mentioned to marcus robinson and the ghost of michael crab tree and just the worst wide receivers you've ever seen uh dropping passes i completely

forgot that demarcus robinson played with lamar jackson that a lot of people have i've tried to forget it i've tried i've tried to uh the ghost of willie sneed etc uh he just got better as a passer as time went on and that's been proven. Anthony Richards look like he's improved out the ability to throw a catchable ball over the middle to save his life. It is 115 miles per hour. Every

single throw. Yeah, a lot of drops but a lot of really bad decisions. Like some of the picks. Pick sixes and such. Not great. Not great, Bob. I'm out. Thank you very much. I'll just, I'll take my exit. If you would,

if he pops off and he becomes the greatest quarterback of all time. Damn, I guess I'll draft him in a startup at some point. On my roster right now? No, thank you. And if I see one more Josh Allen thing, I might actually lose my shit, because there's one Josh Allen,

but there are two one-yard touchdown merchants in the NFL. He just happens to be one of them. Anyway, let's move on here with some of these players we got left. Let's rip through these fairly quickly. I don't have a lot of strong takes on a lot of these guys. I want to start with Marquis Brown. Gentlemen, where would you put him?

He's about to come back. He has a legitimate opportunity to earn some targets here with Kansas City down the stretch, which is kind of insane to think about. What do we want to do with Hollywood Brown and what tier do you think he belongs in? So this is another one, but obviously to like a much greater degree where it's like, yeah, he's injury prone and teams know that and care about that.

I don't think you can put. them above like B at best like the odds of Marquis Brown being in a productive situation are I'd say about equal to Rico Doudal right can we put that there I like he can be I have him in C okay yeah I'm not even going to argue that much with that yeah that's still I I agree maybe we just maybe we've just overestimated Justin Fields and Rick O'Dowdle a little bit no I because I think Doudal can be so this is I think with Marquis Brown, his injury history is a very real thing. It's a very real thing.

He needs the ability to, you know, get a bunch of targets, the right situation. That was supposed to be this year. Hasn't, like, he had a decent run enough in 2022 with the Cardinals when Hopkins was out. Sure. He got the chance to be the one. But even with that opportunity, his best year was in 2001. He's had stretches. I've written about it.

very terribly, mind you, but I've written about it in the past. He's had stretches of being a wide receiver one, but now he's 27. He's running out of opportunities with how the league is with wide receivers. The reason why Rico Dattle is up there, I'm telling you, round 10 Rico Dattle is going to be my RB2 on a lot of teams next year.

I'll be honest, if the situation hits. And then with Fields, it's 100% for the pure upside. Hollywood Brown's upside is cap no matter what we want to believe. Agreed. So, like, he's going to be, like, around 14, 15 wide receiver. And I'm going to be okay with that.

I'm going to draft him at that price because what if with how receivers get used in the league. But this is a, like, especially for like a really down year for wide receivers. Like, it's hard to imagine him really busting out and getting like a significant bag. Like, his best option is just resigning Kansas City next year. I was going to say exactly that is, yeah. I think his best case scenario is he resigns, and then, I don't know, like, he really shows out during the Rashi Rice six-game suspension. But even then, like, this is not, and not to like relitigate the debate that everybody had about this in the off-season about whether he's only a deep threat or if he can win on the intermediate routes or what have you. But I think we've seen pretty definitively this year that that's not.

not like the type of wide receiver, the chiefs are designing their offense around and or funneling fantasy production too. Like, yeah, I really think the most likely outcome is he's like the Justin Watson role, but is a better target owner than Justin Watson. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. That's kind of why. That's kind of where I have them. Theo says, what's your thoughts on Donald going to the Saints? I don't think he will.

They've, there are cars, their quarterback next year, guys. I don't think they can get out of that contract and I don't think they want to re-up another massive contract for a veteran. I think they finally want to get out of this cap hell that they're in. I also don't even think they could possibly begin to afford it. Aren't they like negative 80 million projection for the cap next year or something silly? Something like that. I don't know that specifically, but it's really bad.

And I have no idea how they're getting one of it. And they still sign. Deep into the negative. It's so like the NFL needs like its own. equipment of just bankruptcy where it's like, okay, we're going to clear our cap books. Because at this point, why would you ever do anything except continue to kick the can down the road if you're the Saints? Yeah, I agree.

Who's going to sign up for, because at this point, you're signing up for like two to three years of not fielding a football team if you're going to like take your cap medicine, as opposed to continuing to just push all of it back. yeah I yeah I agree they need to declare bankruptcy they need given like a fresh slate

I have known maybe I'll think about this after we get off the show I'll come up with a a bankruptcy rule for the NFL I love that we were I mean I think he'd be fun in New Orleans I like Tom said

I don't think it's going to happen but I don't at least be interested yep we're talking about Hollywood still no no no no no no no Donald Oh, sorry. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk with the other Chiefs wide receiver, DeAndre Hopkins. The kid's honor. Oh, let's talk about the other receiver, DeAndre Hopkins. I believe he's a void year potential type player. Don't have a lot of invested in him. I'm going to put him in the same spot. I think Prime Hopkins is done.

Does anyone have any arguments? He was brought in, was a lot. We were lied to brought in for the Rishi Ricewell. I think they realized that the Rishie Rice rule is really hard. which is what I said to Scott Barrett when they traded for him. Like they run so many option routes. I don't know. I think it's really hard.

I think he's, I'd actually maybe argue for a B tier. I think he could actually be like a reliable wide receiver three. If he goes to a spot that would give him the targets, which I think there's a few. You put him like a Carolina veteran type player, Cincinnati to replace T. Higgins. Go ahead.

I'm not going to talk to him. That was incredible timing. You just did it a third time in a row. You pause for the exact right amount of time for when I feel like I can cut in. That honestly a talent, Tom. I'm quite impressed. Your one out with DeAndre Hopkins is, okay, the chiefs, they don't care about the regular season. We just buy into this.

That's why they just are kind of rotating guys. Like he's going back and forth between like a 50 and a 60% route share every week. And in the playoffs, they are just like, okay, we're going to actually use DeAndre Hopkins in an every down role. And he's going to be a legitimate part of our offense. And everyone's going to realize he's actually still really good. That's like the rosiest picture. I think you can paint for DeAndre Hopkins in terms of like he gets significant market interest next year. So, I mean, for that reason, I think I would have him in C.

as well, just because I don't think that's very likely. But that's like the closest or most plausible scenario I can talk myself into. Yeah, I think a veteran type guy for like a mid-tier competing team, like, again, like a Cincinnati, I think it would be fun, right? If they lose tea, they want a big body veteran that apparently can still get downfield because that's how Kansas City's using him as a downfield threat. So, I mean, juice still in the legs potentially, but I think you're. I'm more inclined to agree with you, Lucas, anything else? Do you have a landing spot you prefer? No, not necessarily right now.

Like, I don't think there's anything that's like screaming out as like the perfect spot. I mean, I'm surprised that Adam Thielen's been as productive as he's been in Carolina. I think it's probably more due to just a lack of reliable options there. So it's not necessarily one that I'm like dying for him to go to. I got one. Yeah, I think really his best, his best case scenario is a high passing volume, wide receiver 3 uh since they might actually end up being the best spot for him uh bill in that like uh tosh boyd type role like that that i think could be fun at least for a little while but yeah he's

he's not moving above see for me either i got a spot that i actually really like and it's a different a fc north team Pittsburgh they want the big body downfield role that they have mike williams operating in right now i think john er hopkins is better than mike williams go and chase yourself yourself a ring in the in the afc i like it it's horrible it's horrible for fantasy but yeah terrible unusable but in terms of real life is that a move i could see them making that

wouldn't be horrendous yeah no i i don't mind that at all yep that's uh that's where i have it and then the other optional one would be Tampa bay would also be an ideal one where i can see him doing some damage i want to talk about amari cooper and i'm going to start it in the b tier we're going to talk away through it as before. Now, Jacob had said that he thinks he is dust, dust,

toast forever gone. I think a midseason trade is difficult. I think a midseason trade to a team that spreads the ball around like the bills is also really bad. 8.8 fantasy points for game, right? 12.3 expected fantasy points for game.

He's the expected fantasy points God in Cleveland. It's just his hands stopped working. That hasn't been the problem in Buffalo. So something has changed. He's not dropping every ball thrown his way. I think there's an opportunity for him to sign for a team. Jackson, I see you saying Rishi Rice's role being hard and laughing.

It is a difficult role. It's not difficult in terms of like, oh, he just takes short routes over the middle and goes. They run so many option routes out of the slot. That is undeniable. That is very difficult for an NFL receiver to come in and walk into that role and need to know every single option route. That's why the Travis Kelsey role is what it is. There's a lot of guessing.

It's a lot of ad living. It's not a set. You run a slant here. It's not a corner here. It's not a hitch here. For wide receivers, that Rishi Rice role is incredibly difficult. This is also backed by our film charters.

And the other people, that are responsible at the company to know that that's what it is. It is a difficult role to run, a role to be in a mid-season trade to a team that runs this advanced of an offense that is, as it were, difficult to say the least. Anyway, let's talk about Amari Cooper because I like Amari Cooper. Yeah, Bindles has said Cooper just had 14 targets two weeks ago. seems like the bill's offense is very wonky it is it is very wonky for wide receivers i think that amari cooper can find himself in my favorite spot which would be on the

los angeles chargers i think he just fits that role so he can still get downfield we've seen that he can still run routes and get open uh separation not quite is there ryan is we've been tracking with the ass metric but he still can get him self targets. He can still earn targets in a decent to good offense. They need outside help. A reunion with Keenan Allen's not coming. He can play on the outside, which is what they need. And they need a veteran. I really think they need a veteran to work with here. He would immediately usurp Quinton Johnston, in my opinion. And I think you would have legitimate wide receiver three with a wide receiver two upside. If for some reason, Greg Roman lets Justin Herbert throw

the ball a little more, which was my worry this, what was my worry this year? It's kind of come true. But I think it's possible that there's a landing spot for a veteran with a good quarterback there for Amari Cooper. Yeah, I'm just a dream suing good Patriot to me. Like, I don't know why I just that that is just the match I kind of see coming and it's going to be incredibly maddening. Like, I'm not wishing this on you, Ryan. It's just that it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, seems like it's written that that's what's supposed to happen this off season. And I think that that might actually end up helping his value a little bit. And honestly, it will help Drake May's value more than anybody's, even though he doesn't really have much higher up that he can feasibly go

without, you know, showing it on the field. But I just, I just feel like that that that's the spot that it's kind of written in the stars going into the off season. So this is what I think Amari Cooper is at this point. I think when Amari Cooper is on an offense where he's the only target earner, like we saw obviously for the whole first half of the year with the Browns

and kind of last year or two. He's a guy that a quarterback will throw to a bunch even if he's, yeah, as you said, the average separation score stuff has been very, very bad this year. He's a guy that can draw a lot of targets. I don't think he's a

guy that can help the ceiling of an offense that much. Like the bills with Amari Cooper getting 14 targets versus Amari Cooper getting zero targets is like that nothing really changes about the offense, right? In terms of its success and its ability to move the ball down field. If Amari Cooper is like the guy on a bad offense, then yeah, he's going to average 17 expected fantasy points and it's going to be 12 fantasy points per game. I'm with Thomas where I think for Amari Cooper's,

I think he can be a productive player on a Chargers, on the Buccaneers, on like Bengals, if Higgins leaves, he can. Cowboys. Yeah. That would,

um, a little reunion on a cheaper contract. I mean, I thought that that didn't end very well if memory serves in terms of I honestly, I thought there was bad blood there. But that, That would be hilarious and I would support it.

But yeah, I do not want the Patriots going out and signing Amari Cooper as he's our solution at wide receiver so that we can evaluate May and like this is our plan. Because the floor on that can fall out so quickly in terms of this is a receiver above age 30 who has has some expected fantasy points, not a lot of actual ones. all of the per route metrics, all of the separation stuff is declining. This is what a declining receiver looks like from a statistical perspective. I really don't want the Patriots doing that. I would rather them over draft or draft a Tet McMillan or whatever. I would rather them go out and pay an exorbitant amount of money for T. Higgins where I'm at least supremely confident that we're getting very good production there or getting a very reliable. dependable option for May

just to see what he can do with it that that's not Amari Cooper to me. Amari Cooper is a good offense, a contending team that has a needed receiver takes like a bit of a chance on him to see if he can still be a productive

role player. Yeah. Broncos Chargers. I think Broncos work totally work too. Yeah. And that's another one I think of work. Just you need someone that can fill. Now he could, Alan Robinson himself that I didn't want to say Alan Robinson's name

Thomas I bit my tongue earlier I know it's kind of what he feels like that's like the fear for sure that's kind of what he feels like yeah to me worst case is like going and taking Kenan's role in like Chicago like one of those scenarios would be disgusting yeah but I think best case is like a wide receiver three for fantasy and like the Chargers or Broncos

I think I like that So he goes in the B tier I want to put Naji Harris in the A tier for free agents Now This kind of depends on where he goes I don't think he's back in Pittsburgh

But I think he's going to be The running back on the market I don't think that's really disputable He For all intents of purposes Should hit his thousand yards Catch 35 passes score another couple touchdowns, right?

He's had multiple thousand yard years. Now, that doesn't matter really for us for fantasy, but NFL teams take a look at that kind of stuff. You're going to be the veteran back 27. I think he's easily an RB2 next year. I'm buying Najee Harris. If he resigns in Pittsburgh, because he takes a bit of a contract value loss,

just to stay. That's the only way I see him resigning in Pittsburgh, because Pittsburgh just does not pay running backs. They just don't. They let Lev Bell walk and he was unreal good. I think Naji stays though at a reasonable price contract, like a three for 40, right, with, you know, 18 guaranteed over the first two years.

You can stay. I don't think he's going to get much more than that in the open market anyway. Maybe somebody will value him that way. I don't know. But if he gets paid, guess what? You know, buy in. I think he belongs in the A tier because I think he's insanely useful

as an RB2. We talked about Rico Dattle being the RB2 on my teams as a 10th round startup pick next year. Naji Harris would be the RV1 on those teams guys. You know what I mean? That's just the way I play. So to me, he's like an A tier free agent because I think he's RB1 for the free agents

by like quite a bit. And I actually don't hate, I don't hate Naji Harris at all. So where are we at? Naji is a weird one for me because we probably should have said this earlier in the show instead of deep into our number three. Realistically, most of these free agents were speculating in December are going to resign or that I guess in Higgins case, can they tag Higgins again?

They cannot take Higgins again. They can't take Higgins. In general, most of these free agents probably going to resign with their teams. if like that's that's just kind of the median outcome i do think that's close to the worst case scenario for naji though because naji is a player where he he's at least like a b minus kind of in every area of being a running back he's good on the ground he's good between the tackles he's adequate as a pass catcher he's not this explosive game breaking type of player but where he is right now in pittsburgh jaylon warren has a pretty clear

comparative advantage over him in terms of being the more explosive pass catcher, being a bit better in space. Jalen Warren is an A to an A minus in areas that he's getting on the field over Naji Harris. If the Broncos or the Vikings or there's a lot of teams that I could see just signing a Naji and saying, yeah, we're cool with a B minus everywhere at running back and just having that be our plan for. 2025 and it being a productive fantasy spot. Vegas?

Yeah. I really, yeah, even Vegas would. He seems like a raider. Kind of works too. Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of, there are a lot of backfields and running back rooms where Najee Harris can be a very productive fantasy player. And I, yeah, I'm kind of with you, Tom.

I think we need to do some Najee Harris reputation rehab in terms of like his fantasy perception. Because, yeah, there's a version of Naji Harris's rookie contract where he kind of has, like, the Ezekiel Elliott career arc, right? Like if there's no Jalen Warren ever and he just is kind of in a 75% opportunity share. And kind of like Zeke's best fantasy year by far was his rookie year. Yeah, I can see Harris being in that role. somewhere else for sure

and yeah that's a worst case would be giants would kill me giants would just murder me and my soul and my Tyrone Tracy Jr. shares it's on the list here that we have in the show sheet. Jaguars is another one that I'd want to shoot myself in the face for

Browns I don't hate I think Browns is you know classic AFC North like a you know reminiscent of the Jamal um oh my god Jamal lewis right from the ravens going over to the browns and a fc north to aFC north connection if you would

but I think there's a couple options for him either way I think he's an RB2 and RB twos are just valuable and he's the best running back on the market here Lucas anything that are you good with that no no I think y'all sounds to that pretty much once again he is pretty much like head and shoulders above any of the other potential running back to come on the market. I'm just a little scared with investing too heavily in this running back free agent class. I think that there's legitimate chances that we might see some big name or bigger name,

at least for this free agent class, running backs that aren't signed until after. Just with how many running backs are coming into the league, I think that this might have a bigger impact on the running back market than we're expecting because Naji Harris is a fine running back. He's not like a needle mover like we've seen in some of these. more recent running back free agent classes that come out and like they have to even weigh around or they're having to take less money than people are expecting just because of how people have been viewing you know the position and once it's got Najee Harris he's fine uh you know he's he's going

to be a be in pretty much anything that he's doing at the position but this rookie class is going to impact the free agent running back class more than I think that that we're expecting so I have no idea even where to think that he's going to go. I think that it's going to be anybody's guess. We can roll the dice as many times as we want to try to predict. But we'll see. I like a lot of what you said. That brings me to my next running back, Aaron Jones.

I think he is the type of player that is odd man out at his age, a little bit of struggles this year, already got a one-year contract with Minnesota. To me, that's the type of guy that has the like, we're just going to resign him vibe and have them draft somebody in the mid-to-later rounds. Like Ryan point out, some of these guys are definitely going to resign.

That to me is a very Aaron Jones type situation to me. But wherever he goes, guess what? I'm going to pay the price of the late two that he's going to end up being worth. He's going to be, guess what? The RB2 on some of my dynasty teams wherever he's out playing. Because he's just a good player. He's a good player, but for agency could be tough for him. I have him in like a B tier.

to me if he's going in like the 10th to lower rounds, I'm going to be all in. Yeah. I don't have a lot to add to him because we know what he is. And I think we just summed up the free agency pathway with Najee, but I would love to hear input. My only quick thing on Jones is, yeah, I don't think he does have the Naji pathway available to him, as you put it, because the Vikings kind of took this very big chance on him this year in terms of the Packers for years have,

use Jones as like a 60% opportunity share type of back because they have never believed he would be able to hold up to more of that. The Vikings kind of for the first four to six weeks of the season tried to run him out in like an 80% off share type of role, whether that's because they suddenly decided they hated Ty Chandler or because they actually wanted to do that is up to interpretation but yeah i mean the bottom line is that this is a guy that has lost significant work over his career to a j dylan and to cam acres so that there is no spot where it's like wow wheels up aaron jones belcow type of deal no you don't you don't get aaron jones and expect belcow though like no part of even this year i don't think anyone like i was in on ty

chandler production this year is about as good as you could possibly have asked for for Aaron Jones. Like I do think his best case scenario is resigned with the Vikings and they go on a playoff run and he plays really well and he resigns. Like that I think that is probably the best thing for his dynasty value. I think there's very much a world this offseason where Aaron Jones is on multiple teams before we start the NFL season. I think that there's a good chance that he could get signed somewhere

and then end up being a training camp cut or, you know, team trying to free up that extra million dollars in cap room or however much they'd get for releasing him. But I think that he's still going to be productive next year, even if that is happening. I think that, I don't know if you're getting four startable games out of him or four double-digit starts out of him. I think that that's, you know, I think that's a fine expectation. I think that's going to be valuable for your teams. So I don't know if he's necessarily a like priority by, but I think that there's a lot of deals that you can work in where he's going to be a throw in and then you're going to be able to start him in one of your flexes for a couple

of weeks. Yeah, I think it might be more than a couple weeks. Like I could see him being in a 1A role somewhere, kind of like he is right now. And that is a useful fantasy player. And I think Aaron Jones is still decently explosive. As soon as he loses that, like it's super jover and it's going to be very sad. Yeah, he can fit. When he's on the yield and when he's when he's healthy and he's not banged up he he still looks pretty good to me yeah he looks fine i think he could live on a third down type role and still be a decent RB3 to rb2 he goes in the b tier i think he's back in minnesota best case scenario j jc mccarthy dumps them off a couple of footballs they draft a rookie maybe bring in a bruiser keep him a little

fresh he gets some value i don't mind it let's talk about a running back who i think is so over. Javante Williams. It's I'm out. I am done. This man looks. You could detere him honestly. You think you can detere him? No, I'm not going to say

that. I'm not going to go that far. My problem is I can't detier running backs. Like I have a hard time of detering running back. He's a buff mixed up to me. I think, I think they're about the same. I honestly think they're about this. Javante Williams doesn't look like he has anything. He doesn't look like

like he has any gas like every time this guy touches the ball it's like it's a catastrophe but he can catch the football a little bit which which gives me some hope he's only 24 like there's a legitimate opportunity where he's a backup somewhere he comes in and gets used and it kind of bounces his value back a little bit i obviously would take dowdle over him right now but he looks just done done So I'm going to put him in the C tier. He has no explosiveness. Your best, like, Javante case scenario is he signs as,

like, the RB2 on the Chiefs, and Jacob has 20% best ball exposure. That's like what you're looking for. Yeah. Best case scenario with Javante Williams, but I, and like I would still put him above Madison for that reason. You know what I mean?

Like, I think he's still going to end up in a lineup at some point next year and, like, and he's 24. he's got a little bit of hope there's a couple of spots but I think this rookie class I'll tell you what I think by the time we look at when free agency actually hits he's probably going to be in the D tier

but for now I want to put him in the sea I think that's kind of where he belongs I like to put this as probably dead but not quite yet like he's only been run over by the car twice they haven't backed over him a third time there's an opportunity

for Sean Payton to do that to him but it's not quite yet one other player that I think I am just completely done with is Stefan Diggs. I was out on him in Dynasty heading into the year and then he made me look foolish for a little bit when he started to get used as a tight end, but he was pretty productive. Six catches 77, not getting used downfield, very much a line of scrimmage type player. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of that, Ryan, but no, I'll all checks out. 31 coming off a mid-season ACL tear.

I'm out. I will say as far as like the the downfield stuff, I do want to, I want us to keep in mind, um, like that this is the Texans and that this is the most pathetic offensive line I have seen outside of my team this year, uh,

or the Giants, I guess. So it, is it like this P.P. are scammy, like check down weird line of scrimmage usage a lot? Yes. Could that have been more a product of the team and the environment and what they needed and what they thought they could do? Also, yes. But is it all probably moot for a 31-year-old off an ACL? As you said, yeah. So that's why I would put him as like, I definitely put him over a Hollywood Brown over a DeAndre Hopkins.

just because we have seen him be relatively productive for fantasy on a football field this year. I mean, maybe that's enough to put him in to be if that if that's our threshold for like Rico Doudal or Justin Fields. Well, they're there for scarcity, in my opinion.

Quarterback and running backs versus wide receivers. But I would I would clearly rather have digs on a dynasty roster than anybody else in this tier. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. But, yeah, the mid-season 31-year-old ACL tear on a one-year contract with attitude problems. Yeah. Yeah.

Where could he go? What would be, what's the insert? Every single one of the teams we've just mentioned that needs a veteran. I guess it's the same thing as like Amari Cooper. Yeah. You need him to sign on like a good offense as a secondary or tertiary option. Someone that could deal with his drag to fantasy production. Yeah.

and someone that could just handle him and like deal with him being on probably a bad team tough tough because there's some other guys on here like guys like christian kirk that could be a free agent sooner than later like i think this wide receiver free agency pool is going to get bigger before it gets smaller and he could be an odd man out i mean these injuries are bro he doesn't have the iuq safety blanket

he was on the one year deal so for dynasty he is the highest on this tier for upside but again i'm probably out let's move on to another running back I'm going to put in the C tier as J.K. Dobbins. J.K. Dobbins had one opportunity to play through this year and make it without getting hurt and earn himself some money. I'm out. I'm done. J.K. Dobbins was very good. He was actually unreal good. Yeah, he was. Yeah. Like R.B.1 good. And then he found a way to land.

on inner deserve with the knee, probably making him untouchable for NFL teams. Eight touchdowns. He had 766 yards, was catching the ball. Pretty well, 26 receptions. 28 receptions.

Sorry, I can't read. I'm out. He's probably going to be like second highest on this tier, but I don't want, I don't want him. I'm out. I was out at the start of the year and he made me look foolish.

I'm out now. His best case scenario is resigning with the chargers and hoping they don't bring someone back. Yeah, I agree with that. His best case scenario is resigning. I'm not out. Like, we watched him elevate a running game basically, like, by himself. Look at what the Chargers back.

I agree. And it's been the last few weeks without him. Yeah, like, clearly you want him in this system with these coaches in this offense. That's the best case scenario. But I would have him in B just because I think he's still a capable NFL player. Okay. Lucas. Am I overreacting?

No, I don't. I don't think you are. I wouldn't put him in B. I think that C is the solitaire for him now. What have we put him at the one spot? We need we need like a B and a half for. That's what you told me last time. I don't think we need a B. A. A. Half with J.K. Dobbins. I think he has one spot to go to, which is where I think the problem is. And I think it's with the Chargers. I think he had one spot before the year. And now he has one spot after this year. And it's wherever Greg Roman goes.

I mean, it is the most likely thing for him to do, though, right? And then have them not bring somebody in, which I think is a, I guess that's the problem. That's a zero. I mean, Jacob was saying that the best case scenario, what was it for Nick Chubb is that he does, oh my gosh, now I'm completely losing players. The Seahawks running back three years ago. Rashom Penny, I'm sorry, I completely blank there. But I think that his best case scenario was this year with Penny,

but instead of doing it over the back half of the season, whenever people are remembering that because he's winning you leagues and crushing the playoffs, he did it over the front half of the season. And once again, thanks for all the help that you did, give me, you know, one seeds or,

you know, getting that first round by, like, awesome. Thank you so much. But see you later. Yeah, he's not going to be somebody that I'm actively trying to go get on teams.

Like, if he's on waivers, if somebody, like, hates him that much or if he gets dropped by the charges, and ends up on waivers fine i'll go pick him up but he's not something i'm actively going out and getting he just has more life than the people in the d tier right now which is why he's on c for me shout out j k daubbins for adding me a 27 first this year uh you're my hero and i love you forever

i will never get rid of the jersey i have of you so shout out let's talk about two wide receivers i have them kind of the same uh i'm actually going to put keenan allen in the eight here because Keenan Allen guys, I don't know if you guys realize this or not, super productive this year in an offense where he shouldn't be. And when I say super productive, somebody might roll their eyes. This man, Fat Keenan Allen has three games, four games of over 20 PPR points. That is insane. Now, he doesn't have a whole lot of anything else. He has had some injuries.

But he is the reason for the most part, people are screaming about Rome. Madunze right now. Talk about an active veteran wide receiver that can sign somewhere and command targets. I think Keenan Allen still kind of got it. And he's the most valuable wide receiver not named T. Higgins as a free agent. If he stays healthy towards the end of this year and continues getting 13 targets, listen to these last couple of games, guys, 8, 15, 8, 5, 13 targets. for Keenan Allen

and they got Detroit Seattle Green Bay where they're likely behind a lot of these again I mean it's a no brainer for me that Keenan Allen belongs here I think he's going to be worth a two at some point next year I think I'm going to draft him in the ninth round

and he's going to sign somewhere nice you want to talk about a possible Dallas cowboy I think you're looking at him this is just that guy to me can play inside can play outside because all the little things well, highly respected, hyper-productive, please don't resign in Chicago.

I like Keenan Allen here. He's the second most valuable wide receiver in this class. You know who would absolutely murder in the Chris Godwin role would be Keenan Allen? Yes. That would be, that would legitimately be like, Keenan Allen's averaging 17 fantasy points per game since they fired Chain Waldron in case anyone wasn't aware of that.

And I'm saying that to make the take I'm about to give seem less absurd. I wouldn't be that surprised if Keenan Allen in that best case scenario posted top 12 fantasy numbers next year. Like that's in the range of outcomes. So yeah, I completely agree. Obviously there are lots of very terrible spots he could go to. Obviously the wheels can fall off with these guys at literally any point. But yeah, I think in terms of how the market's going to perceive Keenan Allen, because the market has hated Keenan Allen for like four years running and they've been wrong

basically at every turn. I know. I'm just imprinting money with him. Yeah. So he, yeah, he's one I'm expecting I'm going to be touting or, yeah, like sending seconds for whatever this next offseason. At some point, he's going to be that valuable. Yeah.

So to me, he's the second most valuable. Which makes me really sad given who's the last one on this list. I gotta put him in the B tier. It's my goat. My man, the man that was making me so much money made me look so right. Chris Godwin, my favorite ninth round startup pick last year has to go in the B tier. That ankle is everything and that ankle was not attached. That can be such a devastating injury for somebody to come back for.

from 30 years old, no contract. I think it's more likely that Godwin just resigns in Tampa Bay than somebody like Allen comes in. They'll give them a cheap deal. Hopefully they get something out of them. If McMillan keeps taking off, I can see that. Otherwise, it might be rough out there for Godwin. He was so good in that role. I think outside of that role on that team, scary.

but I also think even coming back from an ankle, he's better than Amari Cooper. So I have to put him above Cooper. Anyone else? I'm putting him here under the impression he's back in Tampa, and we get him for the back half of the year type stuff. Does anyone else have anything to add? I'm sad, by the way.

I'm still very sad. Yeah. If they don't resign him, it's pretty catastrophic, I think. I think it drops them a tier for sure. Yeah. that's yeah i i think that b tier's kind of wishful thinking like it's tough to put him in c like just looking at who's in c right now like it's tough but he's once again somebody who i'm not

actively going and getting i'm not necessarily really actively going and getting can now i didn't realize just how good he has been recently so thank you for that little update there ryan for what he's been doing in chicago now but I don't know. I'm just, I'm terrified of these wide receivers who, you know, at times look a little, a little washer coming off of a major injury. It's just, it's not really where I want to be, to be living. Maybe just the bears make Alan look that rough, but it has not been, you know, a fun,

a fun viewing experience watching the bears. And maybe that just has me some bad biases on Kean now right now. I'm not going to see here and tell you that it's looked pretty or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, he's a guy that gets targets. Yeah, I think, yeah, Kenan Allen's that dude when he's on the field, man. He really is. And more on, again, I'm being honest, he's more on the field than we wanted him to be. But he's producing.

I mean, yeah, it was kind of a garbage time touchdown this last week. Sure, I'll take it. I'll take the fantasy points. I need the fantasy points. I'm starting Keenan Allen in the play. off so there we go that's type of season we got that being said that's our list of free agent this free agent class is rough but this rookie class is rough this entire off season is going to end up rough until we have more information with that being said that's going to do it for tonight

we got a lot off the top of the show that we weren't planning for but i'm glad that we got to touch on it a little bit that being said that's going to do it for there will be no live shows for the next two weeks. We are pre-recording the next two dynasty points. Lucas has potentially gone to a place he's not allowed to tell us. And we have Christmas and, well, Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve for Dynasty points. So we're not going to be live with you guys on those nights. I know I can hear everyone sad.

Don't worry. We are recording some episodes. We're going to do an AMA for next week's episode. And then after that, I haven't figured out what we're doing for that yet to cap the year off. I believe because next week is the finals. We're doing an AMA for the week of the finals. And the week after that, we might do a recap of the year for us and just talk about the year that was pre-recorded as we go into the new year. James said Denver, Detroit, and Cincinnati for DST this week.

I'm easy. Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping you'd say that because I didn't. Yeah, I really wanted to answer that question. Yeah. You were eager. Very, very easily the Bengals.

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