Fantasy Football Daily - Ranking the NFL's Top 10 Quarterbacks | Take Talk Podcast

Episode Date: July 2, 2023

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I'm your host, Brett Whitefield. And today I'm with my usual co-host, Stephen O'Rourke. What's up, Steve? What's going on, bro? Not much. Just excited to wrap up the position series here. And we brought in a ringer for this discussion, Mr. Christopher Wecht, who's often in chair three or even chair two at times. Chris, how are you? I'm doing good. I'm excited to talk some QBs. This is the fun position to talk about. Yes, it is. It is. And that's why I thought it'd be nice to bring in another head here to share

their infinite wisdom with us and we can kind of maybe get into some debate hopefully if not then the listeners will be pleased that we all agree unanimously and everything's going well in the world everybody loves when everybody agrees on everything exactly exactly but before we dive into that wanted to um hit some line items here some take care of some business one at fantasy points there's a lot of cool things going on we've kind of had a restructure of leadership, I would say, starting near the end of the football season. And one of the things that's emerged out of that is our own Scott Barrett has kind of taken over the CEO role. And that's official on his Twitter. He hasn't, we didn't do a press release.

It's kind of just been under the radar. And I want to publicly give Scott some props. If you've seen a lot of the changes happening at Fantasy Points, they're mostly Scott's ideas. He has been, I would say, intricate in the restructure and the reshuffle. And he's positioned us very well moving forward. And the best is yet to come for fantasy points. And Scott is a big reason why. So hats off to Scott. Thanks for getting on the path and grinding it out and earning the title CEO.

And I don't know if we'll acknowledge it publicly as a company, but I wanted to acknowledge it. So congratulations, Scott. Secondly, there's some news in the NFL. There's some gambling stuff going on. More gambling suspensions have coming down, and I figured it's time. We probably talk about this a little bit. Isaiah Rogers, among some others, got hit with the year suspension.

It's different. So there's a lot of different types of suspensions coming down with the gambling stuff. I think what Isaiah Rogers did was by far the worst of any of them so far. literally betting like under over props for his team while playing on the team. It's like Calvin Ridley wasn't with the team when he bet on the Falcons. James and William wasn't even betting on NFL football. This is by far the worst, I think. I can't even believe he didn't get like just an indefinite suspension.

So how would you guys feel? I saw a tweet about this this morning, actually. How would you feel about a player being only allowed to bet on their own props for a game? So, you know, we always say, bet on yourself. Yeah. I think that's true. I think it juices it up a little bit. That's fun.

It would be sweet, but I feel like it still could get dicey. It still can get dicey. I'm cashing this underbet today. I'm not feeling it. Yeah, exactly. It's like if you're in a position where you have decision-making power, like quarterback, for example, say quarterback has an over-under line of 35 rushing yards. He has control of how many rushing yards he's getting in that game.

He'd scramble one. You know, he could smash the over, or he could simply just bet the under and then never scramble or never run. So, like, yeah, you can't do that, but it would be hilarious if you could. They can only bet overs. Maybe that's the only way this works. Only overs. Yeah, the Isaiah Rogers thing, it's like, it's the thing where, I don't know,

it's the one thing that you can do the most. wrong, like blatantly wrong. Like outside of like legally murdering someone, things like that, all that. But like, it's just the one thing you can't do. It's like it'd be like being a dog walker and you're just purposefully losing the dogs every time you go. Like, so odd. Like, I just, I could not wrap my head around like the thought process behind it.

Yeah. What he was thinking. Yeah. Like, it's everybody has known. I mean, the longest yard, there was a whole movie about it. Like, about how he got exiled from, from like, effort from football in general for shaving points and betting. And I mean, now that was shaving points and all that. But like, still, same kind of concept.

Like, I feel like I've known that since I was eight that you can't, if you play in the NFL, you can't bet on the NFL. And especially you can't bet on your own team. Yeah. If you really want to bet on your own, you think, whatever, you really want to bet on something of your own team, just go tell your buddy and let him do whatever he wants with said information. Say you had nothing to do with it. Don't use your account to bet on something. Right. But one of the guys that got suspended, one of the lower, I think it was Stanley Berryhill.

I think I could be wrong. So I'm not saying this is fact. but one of the guys that got suspended, it wasn't his account that the bet was made. It was his wife's account. That's just as bad. Chris, you just said he's your buddy's account. Like, they're going to track that.

They're tracking. Yeah, they're going to track that. If some random dude with a like a 50K a year job is making a max bet on draft kings, they're going to know where that money came from. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

But at least, I mean, at least a friend, there's going to be a couple levels of that investigation to go into it. I'm just like, all right, let's look at his wife. Well, there it is. They're pinging IP addresses to figure this out, though. Yeah. They are pretty quick with that stuff. Like, NFL and just gambling in general.

Like, I know I actually had two buddies that got flagged by Fanduel because on the same IP address, at the same time, they had like a free bet promotion going on. and they bat the opposite sides. They basically made it so that it was a guarantee win between the two of them, and they were going to split no matter what, because it was going to be a net profit for both of them. And Vendell tracked it and found out, and they didn't give them the winnings.

So, like, they're pretty on top of this stuff. People have no idea the level of security that these, sports books and casinos have to protect themselves. I know when I was at a previous company, the owner of that company and I met with a couple of these security people because we were going to sell them data so they could track like trend lines and stuff

based on what the data suggests. And it was pretty interesting. Their security is very pumped up though, not just from a tech standpoint, but people. Like they have people literally watching this stuff physically and then they're automating a lot of it. But it's pretty crazy. So Jonathan Jones came out and said,

if the, you know, if players want to bet on themselves and bet on their teams, they should be allowed to bet on their teams to win. Yeah, but the second they don't bet, then it's like, why didn't you bet it? So now we're in the third. You have to force people to bet. Yeah, exactly.

Are you throwing the game here? It doesn't work anyway. There's no good, just nobody bet on the NFL if you're in the NFL. Let's just, let's just do that. Right. So with that said, guys like Jamison Williams and some of the other ones that got six games, it seems like they have a legitimate argument to not be suspended, at least not for six games. Especially when the NFLPA has basically said that the NFL's culpable for a lot of this because the communication and explanation and education has been poor on their part. Do you think Jameson should get a reduced suspension? Didn't we

Has he gone through the appeal process yet? Well he's he personally said he won't appeal But if the NFL PA wants to appeal on his behalf Then that's fine And Dan Campbell's kind of alluded to the same thing Like no we're we're taking accountability for this But if something changes then that's great I mean I think I think the NFL should at least reconsider

Because like I mean Clearly there was some lack of communication Throughout it because like with Jameson Williams it sounded like he was on like he was not fully clear that it was that it was at that it was at the team hotel that he was that he got like slammed on and just like other some of the other guys like Nicholas Petit Ferrer like these guys were all were pretty consistently like I don't really like I went to the thing like I went to the you know assembly hall whatever and I still didn't fully understand so I don't know it goes It's hard to say. I think the NFL should maybe consider reducing some of these guys that didn't bet on NFL games just for the sake of like, you know what? This one's a little bit on us. We're going to revamp, redo next year.

Like, no excuses from anyone. And then, you know, here we go kind of thing. That athletic article that dropped was pretty damning. Yeah. There are multiple, like over 50 players said that after the Jameson Williams suspension was, announce, then they got paperwork and material about it. It was like, oh, shoot, we realized we didn't properly educate people. We better do this quickly, you know, before anyone notices.

And that article was pretty damning, I thought. And if the NFLPA really wants to support their players, I think they should take a strong look at that. Yeah, just make it black and white for guys. Like, either Tom, don't do this in the facility, out of the facility, in a team hotel, not in a team. Like, just say, you can't bet on these sports. If that includes college football, then fine.

And whether that's right or wrong is a separate thing. But make it black and white so that there's no confusion moving forward. I like that. All right. Let's jump in. Quarterbacks, we're rounding out the position ranking series. And for today's segment, we don't care about backup quarterbacks or developmental prospects or anything like that or depth. We're just ranking the best quarterbacks in the NFL, 1 through 10, maybe drop some honorable mentions in there,

depending on how these lists shake out. But, yeah, who wants to kick it off? Well, I'll just kick it off. We all have Patrick Mahomes number one, I'm sure, right? Yeah. We all look at the same data. We all watch the same film. All right, Patrick Mahomes, number one.

I don't know if anyone wants to say anything about Patrick, but, I mean, he's obviously the best quarterback in the NFL. It's pretty simple. Yeah, there's not much to say. Last year was awesome where, you know, he still has Kelsey, obviously, but everybody was worried with Tyree Kill leaving what was going to. happen and he effectively did the best thing possible and won the Super Bowl so yeah he's he's the best until he's he's the best until he probably leaves the NFL or he drops off a cliff so

agreed um all right somebody throw out there number two i would joe i would joe burrow personally i was going to say i had burrow as well i did too all right yeah I had a feeling we'd all go burrow. It's another one where you just see it when you throw on the film. He's not last year but the year before, 2021. It was a lot of big plays, big plays and a lot of variance there. But then last year was a lot more, they matriculated a lot more. It was a lot more efficient.

It was a lot more, you know, like moving the ball down the field efficiently, not getting as many big plays. but the offense, the passing offense and the offense in general still functioning and being pretty much as good as it was the year before. He got a little bit of an uptick later in the year and protection early in the year. The offensive line was struggling. He was facing a decent amount of pressure. But Joe Burroughs overall, I think that he continues to ascend. And, you know, it definitely helps that he has the receiving core that he has.

But he is able to get the most out of those guys with, he's just so accurate. with the ball. Yeah. He led the NFL in catchable throw rate at 79%. Like, whether he has T. Higgins or Jemar Chase, I mean, it certainly helps that they probably are getting open and giving him bigger windows to throw balls into. But even if they were not on the team, like Burroughs putting the ball in places where any receiver can make a play for it.

And then having a chase and a Higgins and even a Tyler boy just takes it to the next level. He clearly is getting, he looked so much like Tom Brady last year at times with the way he would read through a defense and immediately know if a play was alive or dead. And if it was dead, he's checking it down and getting what he can and moving on to the next play. He's so good pre and post snap. I think what's impressive about his accuracy though is like Jamar Chase and T. Higgins are both phenomenal receivers, but they're not separators. Like they are ball winner big play type guys. Chase's game is developing, of course, and he's getting better at that, but it's still, it's been a work in progress for him. He's, he's mostly, I mean, he's been a very good contested catch receiver or possession type receiver.

So that makes it even more impressive because I don't think Burrow has a lot of wide open windows to throw the ball into, and he's putting the ball right on the money the most consistently. So he's freaking phenomenal. Yeah, and he was, he was fifth in what our fantasy point state, it will be hero throw percentage, which is, but which is, which is, you know, otherwise not was like big time throw percentage. He was fifth at 5.4%. And then he was second best in turnover worthy throw rate. He had a 1.7% turnover worthy throw. So he can make big plays and he doesn't turn the ball over.

And those are two things that are going to take you a long way as a quarterback. Yep. All right. Number three. Chris? I went Josh Allen here. Oh. I think it's close between three.

and I'm guessing a lot of us have it for. But I think Alan does a little bit more of the hero stuff than pretty everybody else remaining on the list. I mean, Alan, we've seen Alan just takeover games. We've seen him do it with basically no one at receiver other than Stefan Diggs. I mean, Gabe Davis has not lived up to the hype. Dawson Knox is just a guy.

Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie, these James and Crowder, of these slop type receivers they've had over the years are nothing special. Josh Allen pretty much changed the Bill's future the same way Joe Burrow did the Bengals. And I think you've got to put him at three here. Steve. That's it. I toiled over this one. I ended up going with Justin Herbert.

Oh, God. It was really close for me between Josh Allen and Justin Herbert personally. I think that a new offense is going to do massive dividends for Herbert. He was first in turnover worthy throw percentage. It was 1.3%. You know, obviously his A-DOT last year was not outstanding. But I think with a new offensive coordinator, what he does on third down in the way that he can absolutely rip a ball

into any location at any time, sometimes is just otherworldly. At points, he's got a cannon for an arm. And I think that, like I said, I think that going into a new offense this year and getting his offensive line back, I think he's going to take a step up and I think he's going to affirm himself in that place. Interesting. So I have Herbert pretty far down the list. He is in the top 10.

But for me, Herbert, it's just the hype has not matched the results on the field. Some of that has to do with this coordinator. But just consistency for big plays is not. there. He's had like maybe two moments, I think, where he's pulled a rabbit out of his hat and made something with nothing and got his team a win where the other guys I have higher than him on this list, they do it almost once a game, at least it seems like. So yeah, I just don't, I think Herbert has all the potential in the world to eventually be in the top five here, but he's just not for me right now. I think the consistency needs to get better. And hopefully

Kellanmore brings a new world to him that will help him. But, um, as far as Josh Allen goes, I have Josh Allen as my fourth guy on the list. The guy I had at three was Jalen Hertz. Three things about Hertz that I like better than Josh Allen. One, he's a way more accurate throw over the football. Throw in, throw out way more consistent. He's not going to have big time misses in crucial situations like Josh has over the years. A lot of the times where Josh Allen needs to play hero ball, Chris,

it's because he put his team in a situation to have to have hero ball be played. And Jalen Hertz hasn't done that yet. Jalen Hertz takes care of the football. He's super accurate and he's got the leadership trait. And I'm not saying Josh Allen doesn't, but Hertz is absolutely a leader of men. Every single player on the Eagles loves him and would basically die for him. It's something I've been impressed with since Hertz was at Alabama. And maybe I'm a little biased because I've actually got to spend one-on-one time with Hertz. And he just impressed the hell out of me. And I think leadership is probably low-key, the most important trait a quarterback can have.

And like Burrow being number two and Mahomes, those are also great leaders, guys with that moxie, that, you know, that trait that just he hits, the troops rallied and fired up. And I think that's almost as important as actually playing the position quarterback. So I think Hertz is phenomenal. And then obviously what he does with his legs,

you know, he can move the chains almost at will. I think if the Eagles don't kind of fall apart in the Super Bowl, I think we talk about Hertz a little differently. Oh, yeah, he was easily the MVP of that game. Yeah. If they win. Yes. I think it is close.

I think you make a lot of good arguments. The only thing I would push back on is that we've really only seen this one year from Hertz. Yeah. And can that repeat over multiple years? Because he was not very good at getting through reads two years ago. Like, it was really bad. at times. And Alan definitely, you're right, he definitely does put his team in situations like that.

But I would be curious if Alan had the setup that Hertz had, would we, you know, would that help him not feel like he has to put the ball in harm's way as much as he does? Yeah, that's fair. That's definitely fair. I, I, Josh Allen at four, by the way, and then Jaylen Hertz at five. Yeah, and I had Hertz at four and Herbert at five Which Brett, it sounds like you're different on Herbert So who is your five then?

My five is Aaron Rogers Okay Aaron Rogers is still playing some of the best football in the NFL He was back-to-back MVP in 20 and 21 He played relatively well Considering a greatly diminished supporting cast last year He had massive injuries along the offensive line his best receiver, you know, was traded away.

I know he's a headache and I think a lot of times we filter our opinion of Rogers based on that. But I will say that shrooms are legal in New York. And so maybe we're smooth sailing from here on out, you know. It's awesome for him. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome for him. So, yeah, I mean, he's still playing at a high level. When you turn on the tape, I mean, he might, other than Mahomes, like,

he probably makes consistently the most ridiculous throws in the NFL. His ability to put the ball right on the money and maximize, you know, the results of a play. Phenomenal. And then he goes to New York where, you know, I know we're not grading the situation as part of this analysis, but it's like I think we saw a little bit of a dip in Rogers last year, and I just think he's going to bounce right back because I think his situation is a little bit better in New York. So I'm pretty excited by him. I know he's old, 39.

He hasn't been healthy the last couple. wasn't healthy last year. And that was actually the main reason for the dip. He had the broken thumb and the ankle, right? Heard ankle. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, in a lot of people said the broken thumb healed after the biweek. That's just something that takes a long time. You know, I've broken my thumb actually before. It's not like, it definitely feels better, but it still hurts. Gripping a football sucks with a broken thumb. So, yeah, I just still think he's phenomenal. Until he really falls off a cliff, he's probably going to be pretty high for me.

Yeah, I had him at six, so definitely close with that. I think you definitely make some good arguments to bump him up over Herbert. He does, yeah, last year just did not look, I mean, you're right, if the Packers, you know, make the playoffs and, and, you know, maybe put up a fight against the Niners, the Seahawks did. I could see that really changing the perception of Rogers heading into this year, plus the personality stuff. He was not great against pressure last year, though, which is a little concerning, just because he's getting older. We saw what Tom Brady happened to him when, like, he just seemed to curl up into a ball every single play where pressure started to get to him.

So does that? Is that something we're starting to see with Rogers? I don't think so, but it is out there. he only had a 58.7 pass a rating when pressure, which is not great. And that was even, it just seemed at times, you know, like, obviously he lost Fonte Adams. He had a very young receiving court and just you could, you could feel through the television watching him play. You could feel the frustration boiling inside of him. And at times, I don't want to say this because I obviously have no idea, but like it just felt like he

you know, it would be a, I don't give a shit right now, like, whatever. It just felt that way at times. And so I'm, like, I'm hoping that, you know, he gets to New York and there's this renewed sense of everything. And he's got new receivers that he actually enjoys working with and all in just a better situation in general for him. Because I, I don't know, last year, like, he just didn't. Excuse me. It just didn't look great as often as it did when, you know, even in 2021 or, yeah, 2021, like at times, he just, I, like, he would just put the ball into harm's way a lot more than he ever really did. And which, I mean, he still is, you know, I'd say that his turnover worthy throw rate was still super low. It was still super low.

But it still felt like he had opportunities to get more out of. of plays than he could have. You're saying that because you watched him play the Lions twice and the Lions just absolutely bullied him both in both games. Yeah, and those were two games. He honestly should have won. Yeah, for sure. And that changes.

I mean, like, yes, those are two games that stick out in my mind. But, like, those are two games that he had won if he doesn't just throw up FU ball, like not even FU balls because usually his FU balls are these bombs that get completed. They were more like, screw this. I'm out of here balls. And so, like, that's the difference between them not making the playoffs and them making the playoffs last year. So it's just a situation like that where you could see you could feel the frustration from

him a little bit. And so I think that'll change this year. Yeah, I would like to note he's still ranked second in the NFL and hero throw percentage at 6.5%. So, I mean, he's still making redonculus throws on a pretty regular basis. And that was with, you know, poor receiving core. I do think he gets a bad rap for getting annoyed with his receivers. I don't think he's anything like what Brady.

We've seen Brady be like with his receivers or even Mahomes at times. Peyton. Yeah. Like I remember it might have been one of those Lions games where they tried to get Christian Watson and end zone target basically three plays in a row and Watson kept not knowing where he was supposed to be. But Rogers just said, we're doing it again. like Brady would have been like

your go go sit down give me the other guy in here like I think Rogers does like like he puts on this like facade that he doesn't like playing with the young guy he didn't like but I think he did like Christian Watson and dubs and those guys he had

in the room and like wanted to work with them it just it just kind of looks like he doesn't at times so I wouldn't you know when he goes to New York and has young guys like Garrett Wilson and Um, who else is there? Well, he brought Lazard with him.

So he'll be fine with that. Cory Davis. Yeah. Corey Davis. Michael Hardman. Yeah. I wouldn't be worried. A good litmus test because we've seen Hardman almost made Holmes quit before.

Yes. Exactly. Uh, but Garrett Wilson's a very precise route runner. So I, I think that actually might be a really nice pair. I do think you're right though. Rogers plays this stick like it frustrates him, but he kind of loves it. I think he loves being the guy that gets credit for developing receivers. You know what I mean?

Like going to be. all the way back to like Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb. None of those guys were first round picks, Devante Adams, and he turned them all into all pro-calibre receivers. So, I mean, I think you're definitely on to something there. I think he likes to play it up like it sucks, but in reality he loves it. Yeah. He enjoys the chaos. Which is why I think New York will be good for him because it's the chaos of New York in

general combined with the chaos of the NFL and it might be just a perfect spot for him. and the chaos of routinely being the second best team in New York. Really? Except neither of them play in New York? The Giants. Well, the Giants have won two Super Bowls in like recent memory. One of the Jets won? Well, yeah.

Before I was born, I think. Yeah. All right, number six. Let's go. That was my six was Rogers. Oh, your six was Rogers. Steve. I went with Trevor Lawrence.

That's six. Rogers at seven. I went with Trevor Lawrence at six. If I were to predict overunders on who Steve would be higher on than me, I already knew it was going to be Herbert and Lawrence. So this makes complete. Like, it's part of it is projection for this year for me. Like, it's ranking what they've done and then combined with ranking what I think they'll do going into this year. And I think Trevor, like, again, Trevor Lawrence, especially toward the end of the year, started like started to show a lot more command of the offense a lot more. Just understanding the NFL and understanding what he needs to do and where to take his chances and where not to.

I think that he's got the mobility to, you know, be a fit. He's obviously not going to scramble like Josh Allen or anything, but he's got the mobility to make that an effective piece of his game. I just think that with he elevated a, what was not a super great receiving core last year. And I just think that going into this year, he has a chance to be, I think he has a chance to make a bigger leap into his third year with a second year and a stable team with a stable coach. And I just think that, you know, I think he's going to be, I think he's going to take another

step this year. And I think he's going to be in that top six, seven. And that's why I have him there. Yeah, I have Lawrence at nine. And a lot of it just he's got basically. eight games where he's played well in his career. And I do project that he'll be better. And maybe next time, this time next year,

we'll be talking about him as a top five guy. But he hasn't done it consistently or long enough for me to, to sign off on that. And he was so bad before those eight games. It's just really hard to look past that. And I do think he's probably through it. And I think he had to shake off the Urban Meyer. The Sting is all over his body.

but you know I just think I need to see more from him like if we were doing this list last year like I would have felt the exact same way about Jalen Hertz right I think Jalen Hertz has proved he's going to be good in the NFL how good we didn't really know I probably would have had hurts I think I did have hurts in my top 10 Steve when we did the show and then and then he takes a massive step forward so I think

Lawrence is definitely in that same you know wheelhouse where it was pretty rough for Hertz at moments but the top end plays were like awesome and I just kind of felt like he was going to come through. I do think Lawrence has that leadership gene as well. The difference in Lawrence and Hertz is Lawrence orchestrated one of the greatest comebacks in playoff history this past year

whereas Hertz, I don't know how you don't have Lawrence higher if you have the same view as Hertz. Because Hertz's playoff game two years ago was abysmal. It was really bad. just like the total 180 from what we just saw from Lawrence doing the playoffs to the Chargers. I'm not going to, for one, the Chargers meltdown was as much to do with the Chargers as it was like Lawrence. I'm not going to bump a guy, you know, multiple spots over one game. So like I'm already talking about a small sample size with Lawrence being good.

I'm definitely not going to use one game to go up. I thought the totality of Hertz's season though was better than. Lawrence is last year. That's fair. I still have one. I'm not saying he's bad or he's, you know, I think the future's super bright for him and Jacksonville's got to be super

happy with what they got. Yeah, it was a 2.1% turnover worthy throw rate. I mean, he knows how to take care of the ball. He was a 78.1% catchable ball rate, which was, you know, 11th in the NFL last year.

I think that you just started to see, like you said, in those last eight games, you really started to see a click for him, it felt like. and I think that that's more of what's what you're going to see going forward rather than, you know, what we saw prior. I think it was just finally getting familiar with the system, finally getting familiar and stable in the organization and the offense. And I think that I'm, yeah, again, it is a small sample size. And I obviously completely understand where you're coming from.

I knew that, you know, with the Herbert and the Lawrence were probably going to be a little bit more, being a little bit more. being a little bit more hot takey than than others but I just think that like I said projecting into this year I think that I have him there now and I think that he's only going to climb from there and again it's not like a lot of these rankings like this the quarterback landscape in the NFL right now feels like it's the best

it's been in a long time it is but there's like a pretty steep drop off yeah I feel like it's the worst it's been in a long time really I mean, making this list, I can't get to 10 that I feel good about. That's less than half the league. I know, but I feel like that's better than before. There were times where it was like, I felt like it was like five and four. Well, you definitely.

I guess I'm more comparing it to like when it was Peyton and Drew Brees and Philip Rivers in their prime. Like it felt at that period felt stronger to me than this current. Yeah, that was the QB pinnacle of ever. historically the best it'd be hard to see the NFL like all those guys are Hall of Famers like Brady Manning, Breeze

Rogers, Rivers all those guys are Hall of Famers Eli was in there too for a little bit like we might not ever see another era of NFL football where you have that many amazing quarterbacks at one time by the way real quick how many interceptions

of Trevor Lawrence throw in the first half of that Chargers game yeah but what like I had to go back on clip on the tape didn't he have like two of them were dothful tips weren't they yeah two of them three of them were his fault one of them was tipped but it was still a bad read all right then it was like four wasn't it was four yeah so i mean it was a great comeback and all but similar to my discussion with josh allen the comeback was needed because of the whole lawrence put them in so which it was

nice it was a perfect encapsulation of his season the first half he he dicked around and he couldn't figure anything out and then the second half you put it all together and you got them to win true um all right my sixth so just like what chris said i had a hard time with this list when i got past rogers i just really didn't know what to do and i've put a player at sixth i've scrutinized a lot on this podcast and that's lamar jackson that's who i had at seven i don't necessarily feel great about it but i think Lamar is probably finally in a situation where we're going to see him we're going to really see what he's made of

this year. Todd Monkin, Colin plays. He actually has a legit receiving core. Whether you like OBJ or not, it doesn't matter. He's going to be their wide receiver three. You know, like Zay Flowers, Rashad Baton, Mark Andrews, Isaiah likely,

Charlie Kohler, good offensive line, good run game, like good play calling, or we should say probably better play calling. this is finally the chance for Lamar and I know we're not really projecting but I just think Lamar has a good enough track record to suggest that he's probably right on the outside of that top five

Yeah he's a he's been banged up the past two years The Greg Roman offense can't be Like it can't be overstated enough that that is so Such an antiquated offense for the current error of the NFL it's just it is not going to be some way that a team wins a Super Bowl and Lamar took them pretty you know you know decent what did they win one playoff game one year and they lost so they haven't made a deep playoff round but he's led them to double digit wins running this offense multiple times he won an MVP yeah won an MVP like you Travis Kelsey is is Travis Kelsey and probably the greatest tight end of all time maybe you could argue wrong but it's one of those two. Mark Andrews is very good, but he is not either of those guys. And that has been Lamar's best receiving option for his entire career.

And him having, whether Bateman ever takes, you know, can get to what, you know, his draft capital says he is. Who knows what safe flowers is. OBJ is definitely not going to be anything special, but he's your wide receiver three. This is still, like Brett said, this is the best environment he's had his entire career so far. He actually has an NFL receiving court. Whether, yeah, whatever, regardless of your opinion on any of those guys,

you can't dispute the fact that they're better than Devin DuVernay and who's the dude drafted in like the third round that played like every snap for them and never got targeted and then went and played, I think, for Pittsburgh last year maybe. Why can't you think of his name? There's James Proche, but that's not who you're talking about. No, not Roche. He wasn't there last year. Like, he played somewhere else last year.

Oh, my gosh. He was Lamar, like, he was a. starter for the Ravens for multiple years. And I don't think he ever had more than 50 targets in a season. Sammy Watkins was running a lot of sprouts one last year. That's another one, yeah. Oh, my goodness. I mean, shoot, they had Deshawn back from the dead last year.

Sean Jackson. They had, I mean, that's been the Ravens M.O. is finding the ghosts of players past and putting them in and being like, here you go, Lamar, look how good this is.

We got you, we got you Steve Smith and Lamar Jackson. And these guys are great. It's like they, They want guys that are very versatile. Like, oh, they're awesome on special teams. Or Patrick Ricard, he could play D-Line and tight-in and fullback for us. And we'll use them on jet motion.

Just get, just get Lamar, some actual guys that play receiver and nothing else. Yes. Yeah, I'm excited to see him without the gimmicky crap this year. Like, that's going to be really nice. Are you talking about not Willie Sneed, Miles Boykin? Miles Boykin, that's it. Yeah. We've started for them for like three years.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, what the heck? What are we doing here? Yeah, he was out there running around. Yeah, just literally just out there running around. I mean, he was a good run blocker. To your point, Chris, they lot versatile guys.

The only reason he was on the field is because he's a good run blocker as a receiver. He did have Marquis Brown who definitely showed some ceiling at times, but like, I don't think we're there. And I don't think anybody thinks Markey's Brown is like an alpha wide receiver one. No. I think we know that. Steve, who was, oh no, let's see here. So we just did my six. My seven was Herbert.

Chris's seven was Jackson. So Steve, that leaves you. Who was your seven? My seven was Lamar Jackson also. Oh, we were all pretty tight on him. I thought we'd be different. Yeah. Yeah, with Lamar, it was, like you said, this is the litmus test for him.

And it's, but like it just felt like the right spot for him. him. He's right on teetering of getting into that upper echelon, but you just, I think it's going to be big to be able to see more of his passing prowess this year and less of the reliance on a, you know, the Colin Kaepernick offense. I mean, that's what, that, that was what really got Greg Roman going and he's just never really changed since. And so it'll, it's going to be interesting to see, it's going to be nice to see Lamar get to air it out a little bit more. and hopefully he can show off the arm talent that you know we've seen glimpses of throughout the years right on all right i'll throw out my number eight and this is another guy this is where it is this is where it gets really hair by the way

i'm actually tempted just to move lawrence to eight because i feel i actually feel better about this in hindsight i have lawrence at eight i think lawrence is the last guy that you can feel pretty decent about i'm moving i'm moving Lawrence date here. I had Rogers eight, so that was. Yeah, this is where the cliff falls off for me. This is where it's real fun. All right, so Chris had, you had, who had eight? Sorry. Lawrence. Lawrence. Okay. So we both had Lawrence at eight. Steve, why don't you throw out your eights then? My eight was Aaron Rogers, so we're on nine.

Oh, yeah. All right, so we're nine. Thank you for catching up, Brett. All right. My nine then. This is another guy. like Jackson that I've criticized pretty heavily on this podcast and I like probably worse but when you look at the landscape of the NFL I was like well shoot this guy's actually probably top 10

and I've been bagging on him for the last year that's Dak Prescott that's who I had too dang it yeah oh man I even went back and watched some film just to make sure I wasn't crazy and the arm came back a little bit

in the last year. Like it was dead. There was like a literal dead point in the season where he could not throw the ball more than 20 yards. And then it came back. So I think it was just getting over that elbow injury and it finally healing up

and developing some residual strength there. But man, I like to act a lot of way. He throws a really accurate ball. He's not going to put the ball in harm's way. I just worry at this stage his career, he doesn't have the big play potential that hero throw.

Like he's not going to fit the ball in a super tight windows. He needs some skewery. need some good separation. But it's really tough. There's not a lot of guys better than him. I think only eight to be exact. But I just couldn't find other people to put in front of him.

So, Dak, it is. And leadership trait maybe for him kicks in a little bit too, is why I put him here. I unfortunately think we're not really going to see if Dak gets any close to back to his former self that we've seen at times, because it sounds like McCarthy is going to call plays and want to run the ball and all this other stuff.

Well, to push back on that a little bit, McCarthy's always said that every year of his career and he's always had an insanely high pass rate. Like Rogers took the league in dropbacks a couple years. That could be Rogers though, too, just saying, I'm, you know, like I'm an audible to what I want to do. Yeah. We don't know.

Especially they have Schopenheimer, too, as offense coordinator. Yeah, that is the stereotype. Yes. Yeah. But yeah, I will say from what was it, it's weeks 11 to 18 last year, Dak Prescott was, he had the highest catchable ball rate at 80.9%. And he did that with an 8 out of 8.7, which is pretty high. His turnover worthy throw rate was 3.7%, which is, you know,

middle of the road is his hero percent throw rate was 5.2. That compared to, like, his total season, he was in the, he was in the 4%. range for both Hero and turnover where you throw. So he kind of turned over a leaf at the end of the season, like you said, Brett, where his arm started to come alive a little bit. And he just looked better and looked more like what he was supposed to be and what I think a lot of people saw in him in years prior. He sort of trust that arm again, I think was the big thing.

Yeah. I can put some zip on this ball. Yeah. And he's got a good chance to kind of go. Well, like, do even better this year. They brought him Brandon Cooks, who, you know, has been consistent throughout his career. C.D. Lam is another year into it. You know, it's not going to be Noah Brown getting as many targets en routes as before.

And, you know, they'll hopefully use Tony Pollard more in the offense. And it just, I think he has, he has the opportunity with what's a, with the tailant around him, take away the, the, what McCarthy might bring. But the tail and around him, I think is better. year I think Gallup being a full year plus removed from ACL is a big wild card for them if he can get back like 90% of what he was pre-injury I think that's a that's a really good because now he's the wide receiver three too like that's a really good sign for them yeah the play calling like Chris said like is he gonna get boned by by a run heavy scheme they don't have the personnel to really run heavy right now like they got to go sign a running

back yeah all the Lodd's not gonna last for 300 plus carries there's a lot of uh there's a lot of Malik Davis hype out there. I mean, I don't know. I feel it. Yeah. Dak's the, he's the first QB where it teeters on win because of or when you can win with for me. I think the first eight that we talked about are all you can definitely, I think there's

maybe Lawrence we don't quite know yet, but I think the playoff game, even though he put him in that situation, he also showed that you can't win because of him pulling you back out of it. Dak is we've seen him be a win because of guy in the past recent years it feels like he that is not what he is and he's more of a win with guy I'm leaning that it's going to be the win with with guy moving forward but I think he's got some chance more than other guys remaining in the NFL at being a win because of yeah I think those are all great points

I think Chris what you just said is exactly the the nail like That's the bullseys. That is the breaking point. I felt like 9 and 10, I could have put probably 8 to 10 guys in those spots. And then once you open it up, after those 8 to 10 guys are gone, then that's just dead after that. Like you're talking rookies and career backup type guys. So like it's really tough. But I'm glad we all had DAC at 9.

That's kind of funny. Who did you guys have at 10? So I'm actually, I totally forgot about this guy. just now and I don't know. I think he I might even say that I put him at nine if I didn't forget about him until now and it's because he's who knows when we're going to see him play this year but I'm putting Kyler Murray at 10. Oh my God. I forgot about Kyler Murray. That's what I totally forgot about him until his name just popped into my head because we're not going to see him play for a while. But I think he's I think he's got to be in the top 10. I totally forgot about

Kyler Murray. That would just hurt my brain. Yeah, your ability, you probably put him ahead of DAC. Yeah. And we've never seen him with good play calling either, or even really great skill players. Anything? No, the offensive line, no. You have nothing. Crap.

Tyler is showing flashes of a win because of guy, absolute. Like, he, yeah, he runs around. For sure to be. be that. Yeah, sure, he runs around way too much. And he does not play well when he's hurt because he plays through a lot of injuries. Right. He does not play well when he's hurt.

But like from weeks like one through six every year, he just looks like the absolute man. Then gets hurt and you're like, oh, it's Kyler again. He had a 7.7% hero throw rate in 2021. That is ridiculous. That's crazy. Number one this year, right? Probably. Hopefully.

Oh, Alan would have been higher, but he would have been number two. And only a 3.3 turn. So, like, he's not taking crazy amounts of chances. Like, like, he's being pretty good with a lot. Like, 2021 was a good year for Kyler. Yes. He definitely, he's victim of bad rap syndrome because the Cardinals are just a mess of an organization. And what really stands for Kyler is he's got a lame duck head coach right now.

Like, they hired John Gannon basically just to get them through the. next couple years and then they'll retool the whole thing and everything with off the field for him i mean that totally tainted everything as well with the whole contract what was written in the contracts and everything like that gave him a bad rap too and then right as he was about to kind of hit his stride last year he got hurt who the i don't know who the hell leaks that stuff it's got to be it's got to be another player or no well no it's got to have access to it it's got to yeah i was i say i take that back and i don't know why his agent would do that unless maybe his agents like hey like let's leak this and make it look like this organization's really

screwing you over yeah i don't know has has to be that i doubt the team leaked it no yeah they can't well unless maybe they're saying like let's make kiley look like an idiot yeah but then they're all all their future sold as to me. I don't know. Yeah, that's a good question. That old thing's weird. That was so, like,

there was never a doubt in my mind that Kyler doesn't prepare like every other, maybe, you know, maybe not like a Brady or something, but he, I found it very hard to believe

he doesn't prepare for every game that was coming up that week. Brady likely has obsessive compulsive disorder. I don't think anyone really prepares like it. Right. Yeah, exactly. But I think there's a spectrum of QB preparation.

I wouldn't be shocked if Kyler was somewhere in the middle, you know. Right. Yeah, he's still pretty young. So, like, he's still kind of getting it. And, you know, I don't think Cliff Kingsbury was this awesome modicum of success that he could model himself after either. So, like, if you're talking about guys in the building that were showing him the path since he's been a rookie, you know, I don't know if it's been there for him. Like, you know, that's also a big part of it is just, you know,

he hasn't had that, you know, solid, like what feels like solid mentorship to kind of get him there. Christian Kirk led, looked like a top 15 wide receiver last year for the Jaguars and spent four years on the Cardinals with Kingsbury and never, never amounted it in anything. Just running inside slot seam routes. It's all in just seam posts, seam. Seem pose. Cliff is still one of the most puzzling head coach hires of all time.

The highest level he had coached was college, Texas Tech. He had a losing record by like a lot. Not even close to a winning record. In the two seasons people hung their hat on, he arguably had the most talented quarterback to ever walk the face of the earth.

Somehow the Cardinals couldn't figure that out and they hired him. It was the McFay effect. We saw it was a you hire this young like new generation head coach and everything works out great for you when you do it the quote-unquote offensive mastermind look how he spreads the ball around

look how he spreads his guys out he's going to do like a 600-yard game or 700-yard game at Texas Tech one time do you think we look back like maybe 10 years from now on this like young head coaching generation like wave that came in I know McVeigh won a Super Bowl, but like many people do not think that it was like super well

deserved or anything. Shanahan's not won anything. Kingsbury is already out of the league. LaFleur hasn't done anything. Staley went from, yeah, looks like super smart to possibly one of the biggest donkeys in the league last year. Like I could be like all of this young, and then you had like Doug Peterson get hired and win a Super Bowl.

and he was like not really thought of much. Pete Carroll turns around Gino Smith's career. Like it's I think we could look back 10 years from now and be like, wow, we were so wrong on this like new wave coaching generation. Yeah. There's something about the game of football. It's inherently, it's a physical sport that requires a lot of like, I don't know, I don't know the correct term, but like it requires like this alpha mentality. I think sometimes these young guys don't just they just don't have it. You know, McVeigh does.

That might be why he won. Yeah. But like Dan Campbell is a young coach, but he's not remotely wired like a young coach. No. He's an old school throwback, bite your ankles kind of guy. Well, it's that Parcell's mentality there. Yeah, yeah. Do you think?

Yep. But a lot of the coaches that do have success kind of have that more just like red ass. approach. Like Andy Reid's, you know, probably the best modern coach. And even though he's, he had like league changing concepts as far as offense goes, he's still the way he coached his guys is tough. Like he's a tough coach to play for. He loves it. Like his players love him because he has that great balance of, of love and discipline. But like, you know, I do think you're right. I think sometimes when we think the next big thing's coming, what's tried and true is sometimes better. or usually better. So, yeah, good stuff. All right.

So let's wrap this up. So Chris's 10 was Kyler. Steve, who was your 10? I, you made some good points about Kyler. I think I graded him too low, but oh my gosh,

I hate this. I'm just going to say, I'm going to say, Geno Smith. Whoa. I'm just going to, I'm just going to say Gino Smith. And we only only,

have a similar situation with Trevor Lawrence. You know, we've only really got a year of tape. And I think that, you know, it was up and down at times. But he showed, like, he took a step that we'd never even imagined he would take. And if I'm looking at it of the guys that I have below him, I'm good. I would think I'd rather have that up and down game with Gino, but the ability to hit big time throw. and his ability to fit it into windows that I didn't think we really knew he could do. And to your point, Chris, about what you said with Dak Prescott,

I think he's on, you know, he's not a guy that you're going to necessarily win because of, but I think he toes the line where if you put the right people and the right defense around him, he could be a guy that you're not going to lose because of. And so What? Some of the ball balls are detrimental to the team. Yeah, they are. And I, but I'd rather lose that way

than lose in a conservative, in a conservative way, a guy who's not going to push it down the field. And so I think it's just, you know, when we're getting down, when you start to get into this area, you got to take what you can. And I think with Gino and his ability to push the ball down the field, I think his ability to be mobile and work outside the pocket a little bit. I think that it's going to be interesting to see what happens this year.

Like I said, we have multiple years of tape of him not doing it, and we have one year of tape of him doing it. And so it's going to be really interesting this year. I think he's going to carry it over. I think, you know, he's got, the offense got better. Their defense is getting better. I think that overall as a team, the Seahawks are taking a step forward. and I think this is going to be like Gino Smith is going we're going to find out if it's a win because of or losing lose because of kind of year for it because I think the Ciox are set up to kind of you know NFC's wide open and they have a chance to kind of take take control a little bit and be a top you know three four team and so I think like with that it just I don't love it but it kind of felt like one where

I saw the tape last year and I wasn't. I wasn't terribly turned off by it. Yeah, I'll say this about Gino. If you were to take every quarterback in the league's top 10 throws and show them to somebody who doesn't know who anybody in the fellas and say, hey, pick your best quarterback. They would pick Gino Smith as the best quarterback in the league. His top 10 throws from this year are utterly ridiculous.

Like, it's actually crazy some of the throws he made. That said, I mean, you already spoke on it, so I won't repeat it. But it's just a consistency thing. It's a small sample consistency. He makes enough bad plays that it's got me pausing. But I did consider him here. I mean, when I said I started, you know, I had like two or three guys for 10. And then, well, if I opened it up for that guy, then I also have to consider this guy.

And it just kept trickulating down to like, there was like seven guys I considered for the 10 spot here. Yeah. Yeah, that 10 through 15, 16. is real close. Yep. And then after that, it's nothing. But, yeah. So, you know, having forgot about, I probably would put Kyler 10, but since I forgot about him,

I'll just bring up my guy. And this is, this guy is basically Gino Smith, but he's done it for 11 years now. And that's Matthew Stafford. That's why I originally had at 10. Yeah, very similar players. We've kind of forgotten about him, too, to be honest with you. I forgot about him until I got to 10. And what's funny is this is probably every year over year since Stafford's out of the league, if you told me to rank the quarterbacks, Stafford would be between 8 and 10 for me every single year of his career.

But he had an MVP caliber season in 2021, won the Super Bowl. Obviously played his best football recently. And then last year, the whole Rams team imploded. So I'm not going to fault him for anything that happened last year. That was like a collective effort of injuries plus they've lost people in free. see, et cetera, et cetera. So I do wonder if maybe he comes back with a bang this year. Cooper Cup is healthy.

It sounds like Matt is pretty healthy. That back's been an issue for like six years now. But if he can mitigate the pain there a little bit, I think he could bounce back with the big season. So I do like Matt at the 10th spot. Other guys I considered here were Kirk Cousins, which just shows you the state of the league that I considered Kirk Cousins as a top 10 quarterback. That's crazy.

Yeah, I couldn't even let myself get him close to the top 10. All these guys have massive flaws in their game. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Stafford was 11 for me, by the way. And the same type of thing. He was like right there where I could have thrown him at 10. But it wasn't great at the beginning of the year and then he got hurt. Yeah.

Well, and there's two more guys, I would mention one. And this is who my original 10 was until I remembered Stafford. And that's Ryan Tannihil. I still to this day I think Ryan Taney is the most underrated QB in the league I've thought that for like three years now

it's not his fault he has the worst offensive line of football it's not his fault that like my seven year old could make that team as a wide receiver it's it's really bad like Steve you could go to training camp right now and have a shot to make the roster

you know it's it's bad the situation he has there and yet despite that he's still right at the top of the league and accurate throw rate, catchable ball rate, top level accuracy,

like insanely accurate quarterback. He's mobile. You know, he's not freaking Lamar Jackson, but he's mobile. He can, you know, move the changes of his legs

if he asks him. He's really good in that play action heavy scheme. He can make time throws when he needs to. Who's the best receiver he played with in Miami?

Landry, Jarvis Landry? Yeah. Who had an out of 2.3 when he was there? Yeah. So I'm with you there. Tana Hill is like, he's the guy that I, ever since Miami, I'm always like, if you can just like get, like, I swear, just put him on the right team.

He's, he can do it. Yeah, and you saw him with A.J. Brown. And that was still not having anyone else. They had A.J. Brown and then nobody. And that was like year one to A.J. Brown. Yeah, well, years one through three, A.J. Brown. Yeah. Yeah, he had three years of AJ.

But, like, I would just love to see Tana Hill. with like a cohesive team, like someone that just embraces offense and gives him weapons. But man, I do think he's good. The other guy that I ended up deciding hard no on was Deshawn Watson. Yeah, that was another one that was hard.

He was hard to place. Yeah. Because, you know, everything prior to last year, like if you took out last year and that, like from what you see, on film, he was making his case to be, you know, easily in the top 10. But now, I mean, all I had, like the memory of what he did at the end of last season, he looked really bad. Yeah. He did. Well, so for me with Watson, it's like he didn't play in 2021. Yeah.

He was really bad last year. Like one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL, Jacoby Brissette was significantly better than him. Yeah. And then you go back to that 2020 season that everyone thinks was amazing. It really wasn't. That team was so bad. They were down by 20 to 30 points and dang near every single game. And he put up just a lot of garbage time stats.

Made some great throws in garbage time, which is when it didn't matter. And I'm not going to give them the full credit for that season because I just don't think it's impressive to put up amazing plays when you're down by 30. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even, I didn't really even consider him. Like, it was just so bad last

year. I can't put a guy like that near the top 10 that was that bad. The only other guys that we haven't mentioned that I considered was Derek Carr and Tua. Oh, Tua was another one I considered two. Small sample injury issues

and then there was enough on tape before last year that just made me concerned. But yeah. Lollipop for an arm. Derek Carr, I knew you'd bring him up, Chris, because I think you and I are probably collectively higher on Carr than just about anybody in the industry.

Car just got bones so bad last year. What just such a raw deal. Yeah. It could be a big year for him. Could be. It could be. I mean, I feel like it's been a broken record with every retread

quarterback in New Orleans the last couple years of like, could be a big year for James. It could be a big year for Derek Carr where it's like, no, he just needed to get out of the bad situation he was in. and then we're going to put them in the Saints, the stable organization, it's going to be back. Andy Dalton was quietly amazing last year, though.

He was. So maybe this is the year that car really does break out. He's got the weapons for it. If Michael Thomas appears on the field for more than 38 seconds, that'd be awesome. That could help. And then Oliva is coming into his own. The more people they can get around to stop to not have to target Tase a Mill as much as possible would be, you know, ideal for Camara, if you can say healthy, like they've got the weapons for it.

He has a chair. Like, he's a guy that whenever you watch and play, it looks like he should be a top 10 quarterback, but then you look at the stats and then you look at how the team does. And it's like, oh, I can't, like, let's get there, please. What do you guys think of Jared Gaff? He, I didn't consider him for a top 10, but this is, he was in the top 15 for me. But if he goes this year 35 or in 30 touchdowns again, he's got to be top 10. Yeah.

So this year is the big one, I think, because you've started to hear more about how he's kind of taking over the, like not taking over the offense. Ben Johnson is obviously coordinating and running everything. But like it feels like he made he could potentially be a late developer. and I think he kind of understands who he is as a player and his ability to not turn over the ball was impressive at the end of the year. It's just needing to see it for an entire year and in a situation where the pressure is fully on.

Yeah, that's fair. Chris, any final thoughts from you? Yeah, Gop's not really there for me. I just, I don't know if he can ever get close to the win because of area again. And I just think he's perennially going to be the 16th, 15th best quarterback in the league, which, you know, is not terrible. It's just not top 10 to me.

Yeah. But now that's everything. Nice. All right. Let's get out of here. We did it. Position ranking series is over. Quarterbacks are done.

Announcements, data tool, data suite. Nancy points data suite. is coming out soon. Be on the lookout. There's an announcement coming July 13th, Chris? Right? That's what I've been told.

That's what we've been told. Yeah, that's tentatively. July 13th. Let's get after it. It's going to be exciting. Scott Fishbowl starts the 10th, I believe. And you can look at all these numbers that we just rambled off throughout this podcast.

You can easily. You can even go way deeper than we did. Way deeper. Andy Dawn will be at the top of almost every advanced analytics statistic though so just be just saying that it's not a mistake though

yeah data suite comes out Scott Fish Bowl starts the 10th and so we wanted to give the Scott Fish Bowl some time to breathe before we we dropped this announcement on the 13th I don't even know if I was supposed to say this maybe this is going to have to get edited out actually I don't know whatever

that's going to be awesome sign up for it it's only going to be 50 bucks this year Somehow Scott earned this EO role despite robbing all of us. But whatever. Here we are. Hostile takeover is what it sounds like. Yeah. I just started the show session.

And like, I'm only four episodes in, but Scott is definitely Kendall of that show. So if you don't know who Kendall is, then. I don't know what happens on Kendall's arc. So maybe that's a bad comparison. But for the first four episodes, Scott is definitely Kendall. Anyways, that's going to do it for us. I am Brett Whitefield. This is Stephen O'Rourke.

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