Fantasy Football Daily - REAL, ACTIONABLE Dynasty Trades: Anthony Richardson, Brandon Aiyuk, Cade Otton, Rachaad White, Jameson WIlliams and More | Market Report

Episode Date: October 27, 2024

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Market report, we have stepped into the booth to lay a vicious track upon the dynasty, fantasy, football landscape. There are things constantly changing, like the amount of players shifting into my art, IR spots every week, actually having to dive into my taxi squads for our boy Macmillan. A lot of stuff happening. And Buck and I, we're here to talk about it. you guys made this podcast the most downloaded on the entire Fantasy Points Network last week, and we love that.

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We look at something that bothered us and talk through it. And then we look at every position, a couple of players we want to talk about, look at their markets, look at real life trades that have happened involving them. And then we dive right into some of that information. We get out of here. Nice, crisp hour and a little bit podcast, little different. then the Dynasty Points show. I, of course, I'm your host. I'm Thomas Tipal.

You can find me at El Noster Thomas, joining me as always. Andy Buckler, that's at Andy underscore. Buckler, Dynasty Buck in the Sleeper Streets and always in the Discord streets. Okay, let's get into it. Andy, something that's kind of set you off this week in the Dynasty fantasy football space.

I mean, mine is a singular person. that person is Aaron Rogers. He's pissed me off last week with the, obviously, he trades for Devante Adams. They had a sleepover. He gets to Vante Adams the next morning after he calls out Mike Williams running the wrong route. We threw that, through that ugly ass pass and they lost the game. And then during the game on Sunday, they play the Steelers. Every single pass Aaron Rogers makes, he just winces or has something to say after every someone won. Garrett has the ball go off his shoulder pads. We talk shit on Garrett Wilson. We should never throw the ball. to Garrett Wilson again. He didn't say that, but that was like a whole take around Twitter.

That had annoyed me. Just the whole, I guess the Jets and Aaron Rogers is what's annoying me right now. Because if he wants to shadow realm Garrett Wilson for mistakes, like, that only hurts him. It doesn't hurt anyone else with him. So that's just bothered me. I think Aaron Rogers has some type of merit for the things that he says, right? I think they need to play better and he needs to do better too. But I just think that dude's attitude is absolutely sucks and that has bothered me over the last week. it definitely does suck one like Garrett Wilson was fine aside from the ball I don't know hitting him in the chest and careening into the Steelers defensive backs hands it was like oh barely it still hit him in the chest should have hit him in the hands and it should have been caught uh with Tom you never played football I did not saying I could have caught that ball but just so you know but he was fine like he was still used in a way that we wanted him to be like nothing was really missing so

I think you're right I think that whole offense is just kind of a wreck but we're not this is why we said don't panic sell Garrett Wilson because he was still he was still fine Rogers just sucks though you see he's using like obscure big words now in press conferences like he's reached that level of

his arrogance that's kind of funny they're at the blame the media part of the season yeah yeah do you hear that Devante Adams had only been on the in the in the room a couple of days and gave the most passionate speech Aaron Rogers had ever heard for about 20 minutes apparently

is the report now. I did hear that. Just insane. What ticked me off is once again and I feel like this is just going to be the regular occurrence is the buy them now when

it's obvious which also leads to the sell them now being the obvious like every player going up on the trade block in every single league when any bit of news happens. I, we get it. Look, we know you want to sell John Drey Hopkins now because he's been a zero all year. We know you do.

You don't have to post him in every league that you're in. And I also get really annoyed when I see the, we'll go and buy David and Joku. People who are already playing know that they should buy David and Joku. like he's already kind of expensive for what he was producing and now we already understand he's about to be insanely expensive because he could legitimately rival Brock Bowers down the stretch here like he was in God mode last year with Winston like it's already known the second that injury happened David and Joku immediately became more expensive in your leagues the touchdown didn't matter. It's just the expectation of

what in Joko can do without Deshawn Watson because of last year. This stuff should already be baked in as soon as that situation changes. So that's the type of stuff that if you stick with us, you'll start picking up as we go that these players

should be bought with the hope that things do happen, not hoping that Deshawn Watson does, like the injury sucks. But if you're buying in Joku, it's because you already know he can do this. So we like to be predictive, not reactionary, as much as possible. Does that make sense?

I think that makes sense. No, I agree. I got spammed with about 25 DeAndi Hopkins trade block notifications from Sleeper yesterday. So that definitely annoyed me as well. Yeah. All right. Let's get into positions. We like to go position by position.

All right. Let's get into it. Let's talk quarter. There's one giant elephant in the room. You've called him your biggest op. He is your, he is the bane of your existence. And I want to talk about him today because we know he's bad. We don't even have to, we don't have to dive into the EPA.

We don't have to dive in to the, you know, his quarterback rating, his accurate. We can clearly tell he's been awful. He's been bad. He's even been bad for fantasy outside of 31 points in week one where he was throwing insane hero balls down the field. He's not running the same. He was still being drafted at the 112 at the beginning of the year. He was drafted in the third round a couple of weeks ago and it hasn't gotten better. His value is plummeting.

And at the very end of this, I'm going to ask you a trade question about Anthony Richardson. Because I got one in a league and I genuinely want to make sure I'm not crazy for even. considering it. So let's talk about Anthony Richardson and where you are with him and what people should do. Yeah, I'm like I've been pretty frustrated with Anthony Richardson. And now, obviously he was hurt. Now he's back. He came back last week and he still didn't learn. It just like he didn't learn anything with the sliding. He immediately truts a linebacker in the first quarter to shoulder down that was hurt. He's quarterback 16 now on keep trade cut from going from before the season like the quarterback six.

I'm definitely really nervous, and I want to sell him, but now I think it's too late. That's why I was trying to sell him last week. I wanted to get rid of him last week, before he played again and before the market kind of caught up with the fact that, all right, maybe he is really bad. Maybe he is have a chance to lose his job eventually. He's going to get another year.

He'll get the rest of this year, and he'll get next year more than likely, and then he'll be going into like 50-year option time, and that would be time to decide if they want to trade a quarter, or trade for a quarterback, draft a quarterback, whatever. But, I mean, I think you have to sell and you might even have to sell low at this point. It's really hard because I tried to sell him in two leagues for an entire week last week. And I couldn't even get like a Tua deal done for him. And that was before Tua was confirmed being back in week eight.

I was trying to get two a plus. But, I mean, now at this point, you probably can't get a plus. So I think realistically, if we have to be smart and not act emotional over it, which I have been, you probably have to hold him at this point. I think you just have to hold him and hope he gets better, even though there's really nothing in this dude's profile that will tell us he's going to get better because he hasn't been a good pastor in college and he has been not just a bad pastor in the NFL. He's been the worst.

He has like a 47% complete percentage since he's taken over. So I think you just have to hold. The runs went up. The runs went up this week. He had like 12 design runs, which is the highest. So that's, I mean, for better or for worse, right? Eventually we know that he's going to try to go Derek Henry on a linebacker and be out for the game again. but they definitely that to me thinks that they're starting to get worried about the passing

and they're going to try to run him how they should. I mean, that is what he's good at. But yeah, at this point I think you hold him, I think you hold him because I don't think he has value across leagues. Like you're probably multiple tiers down from where he was now. Like you can't get probably into the Brock Purdy tier of quarterbacks when you trade him. And I don't want to trade him for like some of those, some of those like 30-year-old I guess bridge type guys.

So I want to keep the upside unless I can add to him and get to, I don't know, I would try to get to Purdy, try to even add a couple first to get to Kyler at this one. I want to get off Anthony Richardson, but at the same time, value-wise, you probably can't. I find it interesting that you said you'd be looking to avoid the bridge guys and immediately say you're going to add a one to Purdy. It's kind of how Purdy is viewed even still in the dynasty space,

especially he's had a little bit of a rough runout. let me walk through some trades now we like to go through trades and you kind of see where the market is at with some of these guys I looked at the trades for Anthony Richardson and I'm going I don't think there's any way you get these in a majority of leagues like Richardson has fewer points per game than Malik Willis he like and he has a 31 point game under his belt to help prop that up. I think that's that's borderline insane.

And he's just looked. He's just looked bad. Let me go back to him for a second. I'm sorry. Some of the Richardson stuff is is really, really frustrating because he does the quarterback stuff well. Like he reads the defense well. He goes through his reads.

He just has no idea how to throw the ball. Like he, and again, it's back to, oh, I never played. I get it. He doesn't,

he throws every pass like he's Garrett Cole. 100 miles an hour, no matter if it's a 60-yard bomb, if it's a 10-yard slant, it just doesn't matter. He has no touch any of his passes. And I'm assuming they try to work with that. I'm not sure. That's what's a frustrating part because that's why he was such a big film guys loved him because he has good mechanics. He has good mechanics. He reads the defense well. He goes through his stuff. He doesn't stare down reads. He doesn't is not like a slow of really bad processor. If anything, he kind of gets about too fast. He's he does some of the quarterbacking stuff well. He's just like the worst past ever. It's kind of like in the NBA when there's the the big man that has a really good

release, but he still can't make free throws. And they think that he could eventually because it looks good. The form is good, but he can't make it. That's Anthony Richardson. So I, I don't know. And then I did see a stat. He's made like 20 starts since he was in high school, including college and the NFL. So he's still, he's still like super raw. He's also like two years younger than some of the rookies this year, like a year and a half younger. But I don't know. That's so frustrating because he shows that he could play.

Like he could play. That's not the issue. Just his accuracy. His accuracy is the worst. But he does some of the quarterback stuff like really well. But we've never seen people bring up the Josh Allen thing. But even Josh Allen was more accurate than this in the first two seasons. And that's his best bet right now is Josh Allen.

That's the only guy on his like outlier list right now that he could bet on to be, to be useful at this point. The problem is for me. and we said this on dynasty points in the off season when we said that if one player being taken in the first round in a couple of years we look back on and all those teams are orphans

would be Anthony Richardson this is my fear for him is that now he's already just plummeting in value and even if he goes off let's say for five straight games he just rattles off 20 to 27 points a game how many people are going to buy in the eyes of

trusting him to continue to do that? He's now always in that well I don't know if he'll keep it up kind of time frame like he could fall apart any minute in my opinion he already has that label so then my next question for you is you're on a contending team

you've been contending without him because likely you drafted him in the rookie draft and maybe you already have other pieces in place right? We're not always assuming these leagues were just done this year. So maybe you're contending and you're like a five and two, your top three or four and points four,

all of a sudden you lose all your weapons with Baker Mayfield, who was your QB1 or your QB2, and now you're worried about his production and your next best option is Anthony Richardson. Are you considering moving Anthony Richardson for a Jared Gough? Are you considering moving him for San Francisco,

Donald in a first. Are you interested in moving him for some of these mediocre mid-tier guys just to get a quarterback and then taking whatever you can if you're on this contending roster? Because if your team comes down to Anthony Richardson week to week, I don't think you're contending as much as he'd like to be. No, I wouldn't take those guys, I think, because they have this similar, they have like the similar floor and nowhere close to a ceiling. Jerich off has been good for real football this season. I know you had a big game last week. but the one week he had a touchdown that was a hook and ladder. He had a, he caught a touchdown one week. He hasn't been great either, and we know he doesn't run. So his, his floor is lowered. I know his actual chance to be a starter in three years is higher. That's the thing for me. And that's, that's like if you want to get out and you just want a guy who's going to start,

I guess, I don't want to, I don't want to do that because I do think Richardson gets the rest of this year. He gets, he gets next year. And if he hits, even if he's bad, which I know he's been really, he's been so bad to this point, where he's not even scoring points. But if he can get to, like, just bad enough, but still scoring, like, they're running one up, like we said, 12 rushes design. If you can do that the rest of the year and just do his, like, feaster famine, you know, 40-yard bomb stuff that he does, hit on a couple of those, and he gets you a couple

30 pieces, I'd rather keep him over golf, because if he does have that stretch, like Fields did, Merr Fields had that stretch in his second season, he boosted right back up to the first round. again. So it's just, Richardson's one of those players that he does still have like a lot of lore, a lot of people really like him. And if he did have that five-game stretch, I would guarantee he's back in the first round of start-ups, just like Fields was. And the field stress was longer and it was towards the end of the season. But he had 14 attempts and he scored eight fantasy points. What is his floor? Like, that's his floor. And his ceiling is like a couple of 30-point games. Like, that's legitimately concerning.

Yeah, I think Goff is fair. I think you're like, that's where you have to be. Like if you trade him, you have to be in that tier. And I just, I just don't want to. Goph is done, like, Gop is done gaining any type of value. He's not, you're probably going to lose much. But he's like a six to eight round startup pick over the next couple years. He's, I don't know if Gough turned 30 yet, but he's going to be 30.

So I don't know. I think that's if you move, Richardson, you have to move him for that tier. And that's why I don't want to. I think a week ago, there was a shot you could have got into the Herbert. Purdy. You could have got into that, but we could go now you definitely can't. And you'd have to settle for the bakers. Like you said, Donald first, man, I don't know about that because Darnold has been turning back into a pumpkin a little bit over the last couple weeks. And he's so propped up by scheme. Darnold's a player I like. He's just been a player since he's entered

the league for some reason I've liked. But he he's probably going to get a job next season, I would say, somewhere. But he might get one of those jobs where it's like how, how Gardner Minsh you got a job this year and it's like oh camp battle we'll see one of those

type of things and it's like I don't want to deal with that because I know if Donald leaves the scheme he's probably

going to lose his job by week six he needs to go back to another McVe Shanahan kind of scheme

for him to have a chance at being successful but here's here's the thing if you're looking at Anthony Richardson

and you are just over it and you don't want to deal with the headache and you need points. The reason I ask is Jared Goff trade because I legitimately have this sitting

in my inbox right now and I am very much contemplating taking it. But Jared Goffs kind of has the upside. He is two 30 point games this year already. Now you're wondering, well, he may not have it for, you know,

may only get two to three years. In two to three years, Richardson could be out of the league. Like Justin Fields wasn't even thrown this far down the well, if you would. when he was bad over the first year and a bit. And Fields was a much better prospect than Richardson. He was a much better prospect.

He had a lot more going for him than what AR has. And then we're going to get, we get Taylorback and there goes more goal line opportunities. I don't know. I think I'm, I think I'm out out. I think I'm getting out for any reasonable 18 to 19 point per game quarterback that has, has upside. Aside from, I'm not doing

Donald straight up because he is just as much risk attached to him, but listen to some of these trades. I don't think these trades are getting done

in any league that I'm in personally, but I like to run through a couple of these to see, you know, where the breaking point is. This is from Dynasty Daddy.

These are trades that happen in actual leagues, but no league that I'm in, I assure you. Not saying our leagues are better, smarter, or sharper. I'm just letting you

know they wouldn't they not even happening in the fantasy points listener leagues we've got from today anthony richardson or jemere gibbs and tyrone tracy i would take gibbs in a second in in a hot second we've got mohomes a first a third and a fourth for marvin harrison and anthony richardson oh man like i'm taking i'm taking Marvin and richardson there me too but what if they both suck like yeah what if they both suck is right like no but i'm i'm i'm taking that like i'm not i'm not a lunatic here but like kareem hunt and kailer murray for singleton richardson and keaton mitchell from two days ago who the hell is singleton oh singletary single terry sorry your boy's not come out from penn state yet yeah see that's that's where you have to i mean obviously i want kailer on that one

but yeah so um i keep trade cut right he's 16 i don't want me to show up. He's 16. Here's a couple of dudes behind him. Quarterback 17's DAC. Right? Like we would... I would take Dak. Obviously, quarterback 18 is JJ McCarthy. I would want to... I would take McCarty. I want McCarthy. 19. I think this is where you should be looking to trade Anthony Richardson is Trevor Lawrence. He's quarterback 19. I'm trading Richardson for Lawrence straight up. Easy. Interesting. I would take I would take Lawrence for the fact that obviously doesn't have the ceiling. The floor is similar. Lawrence is locked into a job. Whether we think he's good or bad

whatever. I think he's I don't think he's as bad as some people do. I also don't think he's as good as some people do. I think he's somewhere in the middle. He's just like a is it disrespectful to be like to call him like the new like Philip Rivers? You're just going to be around the 10 to 15 quarterbacks and play

for a little long time. Is that disrespectful to Phillip Rivers? I think it's disrespectful to Philo Rivers, yeah, because Rivers actually balled out like his whole career. But I okay like Matt Ryan has a MVP. one of those guys that surround for a long time starts and you know what you're going to get like i think that's whichever jared go yeah there you go well he that he has some bumps in the road but not i was just

he's going to play for a long time i just i like that we're able to bring so so laurence is like 25 year old goff at this point so i i was just think right like yeah he's one of those passers that a coaching change here they're the right thing goes i i'm looking at tool all the way down at q b 23 on keep trade cut that's That's where I'm going. Give me even lower and give me Tua before he comes back and plays if you can. I still don't think you can do it. I want a plus. I just want a plus with two. I think you're both taking risks there.

Yeah. I'm going to go look. I'm going to go look right now in this week. But Tua, you're just holding your breath. Like he gets hit one more time. Yeah, but every time Anthony Richardson runs, he gets hit one more time. And now you're like this, like, you know what I mean? It's just, it's the same concern, but a different part of the body.

Really? Like, would you add a first to go get Kyler? Yeah, easily. I'm going to try to maybe go and get Lawrence. Let me try to go get Lawrence right now. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it on air. All right, let's move to running backs. I want to talk about the Bucks situation. I want to talk about the Bucks situation because there's a lot said. There was a lot said about the Bucs situation. And I said, don't hold your breath on Sean Tucker.

that had been my stance and it looks like Sean Tucker is indeed the third wheel. Let's talk about the running backs. Rashad White, 47.4% snap share, 33% rush share,

13% target share. He ran 21 routes on 52 dropbacks, led the team in carries, led the team in targets, receptions he also scored twice. The last one being a little bit cheeky, the Ravens just, I don't know, gave up on the game. I have no idea what they were doing.

There was no one near them for 20 yards. You got Irvin, Irving, who had 35, well, basically a 36% snapshot, a 30% rush share. He ran 18 routes on 52 dropbacks, only a 6.7% target share. And then we have Sean Tucker, 19.2% on the rush, on the snap share, 16% on the rush share, 8 routes on 52 dropbacks and a 4.4% target share, five carries. He is most definitely the third guy in this rotation.

Rashad White immediately came back and took his job. He immediately got his job back and even for me being a pro-Urving dynasty manager, I was not surprised at all to see White just immediately come back and keep his job. If you look at the market price right now, just from trades from today in a two-quarterback, 12 teams, start 10, full PPR, we got

Rashad White for a 26 second, which I would take White if I'm on a contending team. We got a 252 and a 253 for Rashad White. We have a 25 first for Injoku and Rashad White. That one gets interesting to me. We got Rashad White for a 252 and a 254. Basically a second round pick and a little throw in gets this deal done. We even have a Ladd-McConkie for Rashad White straight up from a clearly running back needy team. so he clearly hasn't changed value much. Like we're obviously buying at second round prices.

Yeah, I mean, that's my type of trade. That is, that is, you never have any seconds to go and get him, though. Yes, I wouldn't be able to, but I'm definitely buying for that. I'm, I think he's going, I'm still annoyed that Tucker did get, he did get some type of rule. They said they were going to run the three running backs and they did. Even though it was a small role, 19% of the snaps, eight routes. and he got five carries and two targets that's still another running back involved

so hopefully they kind of cut that shit out this week and they just do the two running backs they tried out the Tucker thing he had all that garbage time against I think it was it was the Saints it was the Saints yeah I would be interested to know when he got

I didn't I didn't look at this and I really wish I did now that I think about it I want to know what his snaps were when they were already well down in the game I know he had like 10 carries for over 100 yards in the fourth quarter of that game no that was the New Orleans game I'm talking about Baltimore

Oh, yeah. They were ahead and they were, I noticed they were rotating all three. And then it felt like to me that when they got down significantly, it was the Rashad and Bucky show. Yeah. It felt like it tightened up for them when that game started to get out of hand. And maybe I'm off base on that. But if you go and look at Bucky Irving trades, guess what? Similar pricing, Bucky Irving for a 25 second.

Bucky Irving for Devante Adams, which is kind of wild to me. Bucky, this is a, this is, you're going to love this one. Bucky Mason Rudolph, a second and a third for T. Higgins. Oh, man, that's ass. That's T. Higgins all day. Don't, don't trade T. Higgins for that, please. But he's, and a lot of the trades I'm looking at, he's being used to upgrade. He's not a standalone.

Bucky Irving in a 253rd for Deontay Johnson and a 254th, six days ago. So six days ago, 25 second for Bucky Irving. and then we look at today, so after they've played and after we know what the role is, 25 second for Bucky Irving. His price didn't change. So there are equal prices and one guy is getting more reps. To me, this is kind of an easy smash.

Yeah, me too. I'm not really interested in buying Bucky Irving. I think the time to sell him was a couple weeks ago. He just seems like if you're buying him now, if you're buying him for a second, I don't really know what the end goal is because Rashad White is going to be on the team next season, whether you think he

Bucky Irving is a is like an ancillary back He's not he's just never going to be a bell cow He's too small You see how he kind of goes down by first contact a lot They're gonna they're gonna use Rashad White Richard White still on his rookie deal for another year So I don't really know the angle of buying

Buck Eriri I know a couple weeks ago We're talking about Buck Eriam being worth the first So I hope he was sold Yeah So I hope he was sold for that Now he's just worth a second I think I would hold But I'm also not trying to buy

If that makes sense the player you don't like you don't want to sell for a second but i don't also want to buy um so yeah i think we're richard white we buy he's gonna he's gonna be the damn near wide receiver one for them for the next few weeks i would assume so so he should be he should be a really good buy for contenders and he's also still young he's going he's going to have himself a roll next year he's not you're not buying a couple weeks like you know this isn't right you know whoever whatever i'd it's over i thought bucky was going to take the job. I said a lot. I said if Bucky White takes the job, I said week six,

week seven, he got his opportunity. Sean Tucker came along and ruined that plan. I went back and forth with one of our contributors, Paul Patterson and Ryan Heath on this on Twitter, where he was saying to sell him for a big plus. And I even said, I don't, I don't think you're doing that. Like, it was even a couple weeks ago. It was sell for a second to add something to tear up. And now we're right back to where we are after seeing him produce. So I definitely am more into Rashad White. And that sucks for me because I was a pro. Bucky is better.

But the team immediately, this last week was the week that Bucky got a chance to separate himself and he didn't. He's another Jalen Warren type. A fantasy Twitter favorite that everyone wants to see take over for the starter because he's good in his role. He's good in his little role. And it's a lot easier to be good in that role than be good. good in the starters role. It's a lot easier to go get a carry on third and 12 and get it yards.

And those are the type of backs. Like that's, if we can go back to what pissed me off. That pisses me off. We do that every year. We pick a couple backups where it's like there's so much better in the starter. The team doesn't view them that way because they're a little scatbacks. And they're just not. They play in an easier role. It just is what it is. And we've seen that even with Bucky Irving when Rashad White missed the game two weeks ago. They were still splitting carries. They didn't trust him to go be the guy, to go be the first and second down plotter. So I just I think Bucky it kind of is what he is.

He's a good player, really good for their team, really good pick for them. But he's just going to be rotational. Yeah, he's just going to be a guy with a role. I will say Bucky has more games above like nine and a half points than Rashad. Yes, Rashad White missed a game. But he, Bucky has outscored him for the year pretty much. So I find that to

still be pretty interesting. But I think you're right with the, with what we saw just happen. If they're giving Rashad White the majority of targets and the routes run, that's the guy we want. If they have a similar role on the ground,

if multiple backs have a similar role on the ground, but one gets more routes and targets, you want the guy that has more routes and targets. That's my Tank Bigsby versus ETN conversation that we're not really going to have again today because Tank Biggsby, aside from being a massive priority cell, for me right now.

It's impossible to really gauge the ETN and Bigsby market until ETN plays. We know what his role is. That's really what it comes down to. I went and looked at Keep Trade Cut buck. Hank Bigsby is at RB20 and Travis E.TN is at RB23. So even a market like Keep Trade Cut doesn't have a strong lean over who the true back is to have in this offense. And our thing is we want the passwork.

Now, we've been talking to Brett Whitefield, the film guru for us, and he likes Tank Biggsby. He thinks he's awesome and thinks he's a good past catcher. But he's just not getting that role. And he thinks that when Doug Peterson and Press Taylor are gone, the regime that comes in is just immediately going to completely flip the script. I disagree with this just because it's,

I'm not putting my dynasty teams in the hands of reasonable coaching decisions because there's no way. I also don't think it's reasonable. I think there's probably a better shot that the other regime goes, the new regime goes to ETN more than they go to Bigsbee. Interesting.

I think that's interesting. I think ETN does look fun. I think it looks fast. But right now, again, just from what we saw, the minute the Jaguars got down, 67% snapshot for Deeranis Johnson. That's what,

that's what gives me a little bit of pause. So we're going to hold this ETN and tank conversation for when we get ETN back and healthy and we know what the role is. I will say though, priority sell tank. If you can get the, I typed them in,

the Dynasty Daddy to get a kind of a look at some of the trades involving Tank still. And some of these just scream crazy to me. Tank Biggs me in a 252 for Zay Flavie. from today. That's crazy. That's Zay. And I actually

MASH takes Zay. I actually think that's a trade you can do. You could send, I think you can get, like, do the tank in a second thing and get a decent player,

especially Taye, Taye coming off of a bad game. So I like the deal, obviously, and say, I'm probably going to be on the other side of this tank, Bigsby, every one of these trades.

But go ahead. We got a 251 for Mixing and Biggsby. I'd rather have the one. Yeah. E.T.N. and Biggsby for Ayyke. Man. That one doesn't make any sense to me.

That's a tough one because that's just really tough one. Because I don't know what to do with IEuk. I'm selling him. I don't really want him on my teams. We're going to talk about him in a minute. But to sell him for two running backs, two running backs on the same team. Yeah.

It's a weird one. I think I'm holding Iute. Two seconds in 2026 are Tank Bigsby. The second. So easy. Easy. Okay. Okay.

Okay. I think I'm with you there. We got a fake football player Kamani Vidal and a 26 second or Tank Bigsby? The second. So you're still just second straight up. Yeah. Tank Biggsby in a 25 fourth or Rashad Bateman in a 26 third from two days ago. Tank Biggsby.

Interesting. Two days ago, again, we're recording this Thursday afternoon. So you're taking Biggsby in that situation. So we're still not doing the bum wide receiver thing. Tank and DeAndre Hopkins for Josh Downs, a 253rd. and a 26 second. Downs. Oh, and the two?

Oh, that's easy. I would take downs straight up over Bigsby. Like, Biggsby. I would take Downs for Biggsby and... It's interesting to me because we know Downs is good. He's very good. He hasn't crossed six fantasy points with Anthony Richardson at quarterback. And that's the guy you say is going to have a shot for the next two years.

So that's kind of insane that we're valuing them at this rate. And we're like praying for the downfall of the quarterback so we can get this man some targets. Those are why the consumers, I generally avoid. By the way, I have downs in league with no name. Come holler at me. He's available. He sounds like you're kind of guy.

Let's do business later today. I can't afford him. Probably not. I need them. All right, let's talk wide receivers. That's all I have for running back. Do you have another running back you want to talk about? You did want to talk about buying handcuffs, but we're at 37 minutes already.

Yeah, so we could just go through that fast. I think now is the time to buy some of these elite hands. handcuffs that haven't really broke out yet and some of them that have the chance to be more than a handcuff mainly blake quorum and tre benson right we talked about them they had so much value going into the season benson was a late first round uh rookie pick most of the time kind of lived in the 201 to 203 uh quorum was in the second benson we talked about benson a little bit last show it hasn't happened yet for him because connor's been played he's played so well we always missed tackles on the year leads the week he's he's been great connor's been really good it's crazy to see him have like this

pretty much like second half of a career just renaissance pretty much he's been he's been really really good he's 29 going into free agency he's similar to montgomery and the fact that the team just really loves him he's like a super important locker room guy super important teammate so it gives me a little pause that they might bring him back for like in on a two-year deal or something but i still want to buy benson just in case they don't and he's definitely at least going to be the backup to James Connor who's often injured. Like he's been hurt. He's missed games every single season.

He's just now all of a sudden is going to stay healthy in his age 29 season. Maybe, right? That happened to Frank Gore where he was injury prone and then he turned 29 and wasn't anymore. But I want Benson. I think he's a good prospect, good running back. That is super cheap right now. You can get him, I bet you can get him for less than a second at this point,

unless you got him from someone who, you know, spent the 201 and they're just like, they want to hold. But I think people, we do it a lot in Dynasty where we get way, to impatient with players like this that we'd expect to take a long time when they do take a long time, we're pissed anyway. So I'd like to buy him and I also like to buy Blake Corum who is at least

getting a little bit of a little bit of a bump. You're saying, not getting him for a third. DeAndre Swift straight up for Trey Benson this week. And I know you're taking DeAndre Swift. Chase Brown for Trey Benson, you can get right now. Yeah, I would rather Benson. Yeah, Benson and Calvin Ridley in a third.

Oh, that's easy. who is it is Benson for Calvin Ridley and a third? Yeah Conrilly's a zero He is a zero He sucks so bad Trey Benson for Amari Cooper Straight up

I want Benson I think if I'm on a contender I want Amari Cooper Well Benson Benson RB 33 Keeps your cut Demario Douglas and a 25 third for Trey Benson

I want Benson Michael Pittman Jr or Trey Benson and Deontay Johnson Benson and Deontay Trey Benson or Tucker Craft I'm a Tucker craft Hater I guess craft I'm a Tucker craft

ator he says you are you are Ryan Heath has met tight end 5 in Dynasty so very very different types of trade

structures for a guy like trade bensling say keep trade cut RB 35 I think that's a fake RB 35 I don't think you're I don't think you're actually getting RB 35 prices

but if say a contender has him this is a scenario I think you get that because I think if a Tender has him sitting on his taxi squad and maybe he wants some points. Maybe you can go and give him some of those fake

point getting players. Well, right behind him is Ramandre Stevenson's RB 34 right behind him. And Rashad White's RB 37 behind him. God, Ramandre has fallen so far. He looked so good at the start of the year and that offense is just ass. It's just insane.

Then he fumbled every single time. Yeah, he did fumble four straight games. You're right. One more running back. One more running. This show's probably going to be an hour and a half. I think that's probably where we're going to land on this podcast just because we talk too much.

God, damn. Jordan Mason, get them off your rosters. Get him off your rosters. Don't worry about the points that you're gaining right now. Get him off. He's been bad lately. You pointed this out to me. And I went and I looked it up.

He's at 14.6 points per game on the season right now. He's barely in that top 20 conversation. He obviously party stealing two goal line touchdowns last week. isn't going to happen all the time he's been banged up sure but he was off the injury report completely this last week and he's his role is getting worse like it's getting he's not you already wasn't getting the targets when christian mcalfrey went out that was kind of the debo role type thing and mcalfrey is projected to be back not this week but after the by week that gives you this week versus uh Dallas so he should have there's no reason for jordan mason not to go insane this week against dallas

to me this screams the opportunity to get them off your roster this is your last chance if and i would use the game against dallas before they play is why this is important if you're listening to this on the dynasty points podcast feed not the sunday morning feed on the fantasy points now feed i'd be moving them before they play dallas so someone can be like oh i need the 18 points that he's going to get versus this awful dallas run defense and then get him off your roster because we know what's going to happen when McCaffrey comes back. McCaffrey's going to be the guy. We know it. And I went and looked at some of these Jordan Mason

trades. Oh boy. Oh boy. They are, he's already plummeting in value. Jalen Tolbert in a 25 second for Jordan Mason. So it's a two for Mason. I would rather have Mason. Not with McCaffrey coming up. I'll ship them off my roster. And I'm not even going to ask things. You already said you'd rather a two over Mason. That was the argument for this one. we got mason for a 25 third i would take mason in that deal

you got like garendo mason and shehied in a third i would take that deal brandon iuk for jacobi meyers and jordan mason by brand yuke is it by brand and i utah i would i would take iuk there and stash him on my i are even though again we're going to talk about him in a minute talk to brett whitefield about him as well we got jordan mason and blake quorum for a third oh that's crazy uh jordan mason for tyrone tracing a third from three days ago. That's interesting.

So Mason's RB 29 and keep trade cut. RB 30 is James Connor. Tracy's RB 32. Would you rather have both of them over Jordan Mason? I'd take Connor over Mason. I don't think I would take Tracy. But not the Tracy. So yeah, I agree to.

So he's in a weird spot for sure. But it looks like you can, I really think you can package him up and move up for a player that's going to have more points the rest of the way. Because he hasn't been that good. not since his insane runout at the start of the year. He was feeding a lot of families,

and he's just lately, he's been not as good. Again, you pointed him out to me, and I'm like, oh, okay, this is like a real, this is like a real thing, 8.9 points, 9.2 points, 8.8 points. He had a 10-point game in between the 24 and 17-point game. Yeah, because I was just starting him every week, and I just, I don't know,

I thought he was doing a lot better than he is. And I wait a second. He's actually not been good at all. It's the non-touchdown games. That's really what it. You're right. Two targets, two targets. One, three, two, one, one.

In the games, he scored a touchdown. He scored more than 16 fantasy points per game. In games that he hasn't scored a touchdown in, he's averaging under 10. That, like, that's, and you can be like, well, of course, he scores a touchdown. He's going to have a better. He doesn't add anything else to that. I'd be looking to move him for, yeah, Connor, see what you kind of can move to get to a Connor or what you have to package up to go and get another running back

kind of around his tier that just maybe provides like a little bit more like if if look I was just about to say like people are I say people I mean the general community if you're you know live online for the dynasty space is shitting on Travis ETN left right and center but he's still ranked on crowdsourcing sites ahead of Jordan Mason who's putting up points and getting to play. So that should tell you everything you need to know about what Travis E.N is going to provide to you long term. This is why Buck and I have been saying,

like, if you can sell for a first, do it, packed him up and go and get him, or you're riding them out till his value drops off the table. His value's about to drop off the table. So get ahead of it. In two weeks when you start seeing posts about trade ETN, he's in my brain now,

trade Jordan Mason away and McAfrey's coming back. too late. It's already to, it's starting to become too late. It's already starting to become too late if you listen to some of those trades I just listed off from Dynastydady.com. Right. So now in two more weeks, he's a zero zero. So it's time to start working the phones to get rid of Jordan Mason. We're going to take a break. And when we come back, because I've been forgetting to take breaks on this program, we are going to talk wide receivers. so you're going to want to be locked in on that. Sit tight. We'll be right back.

Okay, let's talk wide receivers. This is the one that takes us the longest. We're at 47 minutes. This podcast is totally going an hour and a half every week, 100%. It just is what it is. I'm sorry, we like to give you guys as much information as we can. Let's talk about tankdale. Let's talk about another tank.

Which is better? We'll never know. Let's talk about tankdell, Because with Nico going out, now I will, I just want to add this caveat that C.J. Stroud has talked about getting him the ball this week versus Indianapolis. So we could see a big Tank Dell week, like after this podcast comes out. And we trash him like we were about to do. Spoiler alert. So it is possible that Tank Dell pops off.

If he does, I don't think our opinion is going to change. What a big game this weekend changed the opinion you're about to give. No, because Nico, there's a report yesterday about Nico that he's still expected to come back after the four games. So he'll be back. So he's on track to play. So not one. Okay. So this would basically just act as a precursor to like your last dying trade window.

Yeah. It would make me feel a little bit better to know he's like, has a good game. He's still capable of a good game. Like I would like to see it because I do have him. cool plays. I would like to see him have a good game, but I wouldn't change anything. Well, let's talk about it. He has a 10.5a dot. On the show sheet we have is Tankdale Ass, by the way. This is the depth you get on our show sheets. Air yard share of 24.9%, a 16.3% target share, even though Buck can't type.

18% targets per route run, 11 expected fantasy points per game, and a 19.2% first read Share. It's not great. And it's a far cry from where he was in his rookie year. Now, you are concerned with the type of surgery he had. I'm willing to give a little bit to that. But I also think that Stefan Diggs matters here a little bit more than what I think people were ready for. And there's a real chance he's back next year if it keeps playing like this.

So let's talk about it. How ass is Tankdale to you? And what are we doing? I don't know. I don't want to say he's ass. I know I tweeted. I said that he was a catfish rookie season player that he's actually in that because I was I was tweeting out of emotion.

But I had a conversation about, we had a conversation about Tinktow with one of our friends. And I really just think he's hurt. I really think he's injured. I know he had the tightrope surgery, which has been a killer for a lot of players coming back the next year. Tony Pollard, Mark Andrews. I'm sure there's more.

And it kills your burst. And Tankdale doesn't have a lot to lose. He's like 5, 10, he's really small. He doesn't have a lot to lose. He also got fucking shot. He got shot this off season. This dude came back from a bullet wound and an ankle. So he was way too good as a rookie.

All his per route stuff was way too good as a rookie. For me to think that this dude is really just super ass. It's just not good anymore. but it does give me vibes of a certain player that I liked a couple years ago. He now currently resizing the Cleveland Browns. Oh, no. His name is Elijah Moore. Oh, no.

And they have similar rookie season stretches that were so good, where Elijah Moore actually had a stretch in his rookie season where he was the wide receiver one overall. Tankdale was a top seven, eight wide receiver stretch last season before he got hurt. He got hurt. He gets hurt on a run play. for some reason he was blocking. But it does give me some Elijah Moore vibes here that maybe he pursues a catfish and he isn't good.

But I would like to see him just get healthy before I say he's bad. But I will say I don't have any interest in acquiring him in a dynasty league. Like I don't have that much conviction where I'm like, oh, he's definitely hurt. Go by. No, I don't. I know there's a lot of narrative stuff with him and Stroud. Him and Stroud are best friends. He got, Stroud got him drafted to the Texans.

That's a true thing. There was going to be like a little bit of breakfast narrative. between those two and I kind of bought it a little because he paced like him and Nico paced each other last year like he Nico obviously is on a whole other level now and he took a new step forward but man I just don't I don't think he's all of a sudden just terrible but I also think that he's I can't even call him a cell because I don't know who's buying him but he's probably valued at like a second right now so that's if you want to buy at that I think it's fine well let me tell you I have been a couple of leagues with our man Ryan He

who is the tank dell savant and he when I said hey Ryan come buy all the tank dell off my teens he goes sure I'll give you a second so to me that goes to show like the I'll buy them but I'm not buying them at hyper expensive prices now if you go and look we talked about oh Jordan Mason you can get for like this third and a Tolbert type situation that screams to me you can get James Connor if if we do the trickle down looking at keep trade cut rankings and stuff, that tells me you should be able to go and get one of those James Connor, Jordan Mason,

kind of fill in running backs with a plus on top for somebody like Tank Dell. That's what that says to me if you want some, you know, my tinfoil hat trickle down rankings conversation. But let's look at some Tank Dell trades that have gone down over the last week. Tank Dell and Brandon Ayuk. Definitely, I, I'm just, you probably see me looking like. What am I looking at?

Tankdell's Writers 2-3-8-3-Hand-Cube trade cut. He's ahead of Debo, Kionn Coleman, Mike Evans, Michael Pittman, Diggs, Downs, Devante Adams, Deontay Johnson. He's ahead of all these guys. Those are in the 40s. That's a fake value. That's fake value. You're not trading. Go and offer Tankdell straight up for all those guys.

You're getting smashed declined. You're getting smashed declined. That's the type of stuff that drives me insane. like don't get me wrong we look this is why we look at these crowdsourcing sites and we use them as a gauge sometimes on these crowdsourcing sites and why we talk about there being a fake market or fake value players or fake overpaying that screams to me that i can like give tank dell add a little bit to fake overpay and go and get replacement level production and better from like a devante adams or a Mike Evans

Yeah Debo Yeah I'm just doing that And I want the points on my roster That's a fake overpay That's like the definition Of a fake overpay to me

Yeah that's actually I can't even believe that I can't believe he still valued there That's actually insane to me I was wondering why you were making the face Like the people obviously can't see you But like I thought maybe you were You're crashing out or something

I don't know but that that's crazy But yeah we've got the tank Dell And Brandon Iyuk He said you were taking the IUC side, and we have IUC and tanked out for a third. So that's kind of looks like the, a lot of these are just throw-ins. Tankdell and Josh Downs are D-K-Met-Kaff in a second. I'm just taking D-K mat-Kaff in a second. I would almost tank D-K-Met-Kaff without the second on that side.

Like, D-K is unreal good. Hurt right now, but unreal good. Jaden Reed, Jameson, this is a fake overpay. This is an example of a fake overpay. Jaden Reed, Jameson Williams, and Tank Dell, or Jamar Chase? Jamar Chase. Easily. Easily.

That's a fake overpay. If you have heard Buck and I talk fake overpay, shout out Cam, because if I don't give him the proper respects, he's going to somehow get win that I said it, and then credit Buck for saying it, and he's going to wonder why we're disrespecting. Cam, there's your shout out and the love for the listeners. That's the fake overpay.

If you hear us talk about it, that's exactly what we're talking about. because that's wild into me. So it looks like he's a little bit more expensive than a second, but also if you look at recent trades and the crowdsourcing, he's a priority sale to me if you can get the production. If you're a rebuilder, he's exactly the type of player that I want, though. Yeah, for sure. I want him on a rebuilder.

For sure. I think, like I do think it's interesting to try to go see if you can buy him. I just don't know what, like I just don't know what to expect. He also, I will say, he also can't catch this season. So if he caught a couple of his passes, we might be looking at him a little different. I think he dropped a touchdown last week.

He dropped, he had a game early in the season when Nico was still playing. He had like four targets. He dropped every single one of them. We called that the Jalen Polk. Oh, God. The Jalen Polk corollary? That's not good. That's not something you want to have attached to it.

Yikes. All right, let's talk about James and Williams again. I was tricked. I was bamboozled, hoodwinked, even into believing this man's two-game breakout was legitimate. It's funny because on the show, she'd have JMO on all that gas and is still ass.

It wasn't actually steroids. Apparently it's adderol. This man has ADHD and just need some adderol. And apparently there was some, how do you do with the prescription and it took too much? But then apparently there's no limit when it's prescribed.

I don't know. I'm letting Brett Whitefield said he has a guy that he's talking to about it and like Jameson Williams wants to fight the suspension. So yes, I've made steroid jokes it's because it's funny to me

but his production not so funny as of late 24.8 I'm going to guess that says first read Andy 24.8% first read 33% air yard share his A dot is good

that's to be expected 14.4 a 16.7% target share, 10.2 expected fantasy points, and he did have a long touchdown called back on a hold or a past interference. I think it was a pass interference, actually. So he's obviously been disappointing and his role has been completely nerfed with this offense. What do we do? I don't know. What he is?

He's Will Fuller for real. Like, he's running. I don't think you should disrespect Wolf Fuller like that. He's speed running the Will Fuller career right now. He had his best season and he gets busted. But I tweeted about James and Williams a couple days ago. Actually, the day he ended up getting suspended a couple hours later. So it looked like I was like super hating.

But through his first two weeks, he had a 24% target share, 47.2 area yard share, 35% first read, 26% targets for outrun, 2.63 yards, for outrun, 19.4 fantasy points per game, 10 catches 200 yards, a touchdown on 20 raw targets. That's in weeks one and two. Weeks three to seven, he had a 10% target share, 21% area yard share, 16% first rate, 11% targets for outrun, 1.8 5 yards per outrun, eight fantasy points per game, seven catches 161 yards, two touchdowns on 10 targets. So he got 10 targets through four weeks combined, opposed to 20 targets in his first two So they were going away from the Jammal offense.

Like his first series went down from 35 to 16. They were going away from that. They were running the office kind of through him for the first few weeks. It was when we were like, man, is LaPorteur dead? Might be dead anyway. Is Amon Ra taking a big step back? That when they ran that offense, it was cool for James and Williams, but it sucked. So they recognized that and they stopped doing it.

And Amon Ra's back to being what he is. And the offense is a lot better now. But you could just see like the first reads dropping from 30. 35 to 16. That means that they're, they kind of just decided to utilize him as this, this deep threat, deep threat,

I can't speak, this deep threat and they're not going to give him like any layup targets, nothing to the field. I want to say he's a sell, very hard to sell him right now with the, with the suspension. So you're probably just going to have to hold. I think it's just confirming what his role is.

And I think what his role is destined to be. Anywhere from two to four targets, I feel like is what we can expect, and that's not great, but look, 16 points, right? He had, he's, he's, he's, I can't speak either, 16 points and then 17.7 points, and then you've got a 1.2 and a 0.6. He's quite literally on the, like,

not going to kill your team, very good wide receiver, four with insane blowup game upside, or a zero. which is kind of how I've looked at him all year. He is a player that I don't mind sitting in my flex spot, right? If he's my second flex and I'm okay rolling the dice and possibly ending up with zero to three points.

But then I'm going to check the box score and then all of a sudden Jameson Williams hasn't caught a ball all day. And then he gets his one catch and it just happens to go for 35 and one. You're like, I'll take those 16 points, baby. I'm okay with him in this role. just not buying more of him. Like if I have him, I'm okay putting him in my lineups.

I'm not actively going out and buying more of him because I think they're telling us what his role is. This run game is so good. It's so frustratingly good. And when they do pass the ball, Tim Patrick is now involved. You know how annoying that is?

That Tim Patrick is now involved? Oh, I have Laporta. I know. Yeah. That's a whole, that's a whole other. conversation that I'm waiting to have for a couple more weeks. But Tim Patrick is getting the same amount of targets as Jameson Williams since being activated. Like this offense is just irritating, bro.

I would like to see James and Williams get involved more in the run game. He's like one carrier game. I would like him to get a couple of those because he does have like he does have house stability. He definitely has that. So I agree with having them as like I've always said like a turbo button. He's like a turbo button flex player where he can get. to you one or 25.

So I like having the seven players, but for consistent value, he's just not going to provide it. So we can go back to like a conversation we had weeks ago when J-M-O was on this like rapid rise. Jameson Williams or J-SN? I still think I'm taking J-SN. Me too. I still think I'm taking J-SN

because he has the opportunity to gain targets eventually. And we shit on J-S-N a lot. Like he's has, JSN has a, is having a worse year than his rookie year this year. And that's kind of impressive, uh, to be able to do.

He has a worse target per route run or yards per out run this year than he had in his rookie season. Double face flanger? Which is, it's, it's impressive, really. Uh, I did see the stat on it and now watch.

I'm not going to be able to go back and find it. It doesn't look like I'm going to be able to go back and find it. to go back and find it. But I think I still, I would still take J.S.N. Yeah. I think Jameson Williams is just what he is. This is just the role that he's in. Me too. I agree.

We'll know because if D.K. Metcalf misses time, then J.S.N. should finally be able to earn his target. So that means we're going to find out. We're going to find out if it's Jameson, and we're going to find out if it's, JSN. I almost don't want D.K. to be out for J.S.N.

I think it's going to go terribly for him. Really? Yeah, I think it's going to, especially if they move them, they move them like out of the slot. Yeah, you're right. That is kind of good. Well, maybe they put Bobo outside

and they keep JSN and who knows. If Jake Bobo out, out targets and out Alpha's JSN, then I may not, then I may want James and Williams, but we're going to, we're going to find out because I'm still seeing,

oh, when Tyler Lock gets gone, it's wheels up for, for JSN. Yeah, it's just would have happened, by now. That's what I'm thinking. We'll see. We'll see, but I doubt it. Let's talk Cedric Tillman. He's a buy.

Obviously, if you didn't get him on your waiver wires, he may not be as big of a buy, but I feel like this conversation should be had before we get into, or I guess we've got to talk about IYUK as well. I do want to talk about IYUK. Give me

one second. Let's talk about the post Watson wide receiver pecking order Cedric outperformed Judy likely benefit from the backup connection Tillman's usage is route share increased to 80.4% leading to eight catches on 12 targets he had 81 yards

he led all wide receivers and expected fantasy points at 24.2 he was a smash play in DFS his target distribution with DTR was a 29.2% target share while Judy only saw a 4% target share however targets with Watson Judy's target share

it increased to 33.3% with Winston while Tillman's dropped a 16.7% Judy had a 92.9% route share. He only caught one of four targets. Chiquot Jerry Judy's bad. So it's interesting.

Injoku likes Judy more than Tillman. DTR seems to be better for Tillman, but it's Winston playing. Are you interested in like paying a third for a guy like Tillman or is he literally just a waiver wire ad? Because people are asking if they should go and get Tillman.

I don't think so. I think he was someone I was spending 100% of Fab on on the wire. I don't know if I want to pay for him because you shouldn't. I mean, I guess there's so many injuries. Maybe you do need him. A third's fine. But I think, I don't know if you should like how much you would like really like should use him on your team.

But he was a face plan of rookie season. He had an awful rookie season. One of the worst rookie seasons for a guy doctor on day two. but he was a good prospect. He's the Tennessee guy. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, he's a volunteer, yep. And he was a good prospect.

A guy a lot of people liked, just had a face-final rookie season, wasn't playing got a chance. He pretty much took over in Mark Cooper's role. Like he plays that role now on the field. Judy will play his little slot thing and his, he sucks. But I definitely rather by Tillman over Judy. and I think they're going to have a race. I tweet it.

I didn't get out of love, but I tweeted who's going to have the race to the biggest PPR scam for the rest of the season, Wondell or David Injoku, who's going to win that? It's going to be Injoku now. Except Injoku is actually going to maybe get a target past three yards. We'll find out. He might even catch a touchdown again. Yeah.

And Joku already did score a touchdown with Watson off the field. So there you go. we know that answer yeah he's gonna be an interesting dynasty player to keep an eye on in my opinion i remember there's like quite a bit of hype for uh donovan people's jones uh coming out of his rookie year and tillman is kind of maybe going to get that kind of bump now heading towards the end of the year so he's just an interesting player let's talk about iu quick before we hit on two tight ends also am i interesting stat on harry cooper here that you have he ran only 34% of the routes, but all seven of Keon Coleman's targets were with Amari Cooper on the field.

Off the field. Sorry. That's pretty interesting to me. And we obviously expect Amari Cooper to get more and more routes. Also, hilarious first pass one right off of Mario Cooper's hands. That was not lost on me. Like, it still looked hilarious that the first throw, um, yeah, right off his hands, but he did score the touchdown, which he didn't know where to go.

Yeah, he didn't know where to go on the play. So I think Amari Cooper is going to be the one on that on that team, but it does look like Keon Coleman's value is about to go up because I think Amari Cooper helps Keon Coleman. Coleman just doesn't maybe look like he's the he's the one A type wide receiver, but big playability opening up with Hamari Cooper. I actually kind of like that. And Amari's a good guy to learn from, honestly. if you're people forget that Amari Cooper was like that super prospect super like better than

devonte adams level prospect like a jamar chase ask like hype train around him coming out of college he just hasn't had that like nuclear season in his career but he's been so good through his career he's played so long that i think people just forget how good that man actually was but fun fun couple little bit of stats on amari cooper and keon coleman in buffalo but let's talk about uh brandon iuk because 26 years old uh turned 26 before this season he'll turn 27 uh in march next year well in march every year but you know he turns 27 march next year so uh and multiple ligaments this is a multiple ligament, gruesome knee injury.

I don't think he's going to be back at full speed next year. When he, if and or when he comes back, like look at how bad Javante Williams looked. That's kind of what this knee injury feels like to me. And now, yeah,

so he's going to have to fight back from that. He's not going to come back at full speed next year. We're probably not getting full speed IUC until what two years from now I would imagine he'll be 28 and the NFL looks way different in a two year stretch Debo likely off that team unless they resign them don't think they should we talked about this McCaffrey likely gone off that team in two years perty paid Pardy paid Kittle gone Trent Williams well maybe not Kittle gone he'll be 33 34 but on the end yeah this this team is going to look completely different.

So will the rest of the NFL. He is the scariest type of buy right now, in my opinion. He's not like a Godwin who's, we didn't talk about him. It's depressing. But Godwin is a zero. He is on a contract year. His ankle has more than just a dislocation. There's some ligament problems from what I've seen and what I've seen reported.

Take that for what you will. It's bad on a contract year for a 28-year-old wide receiver. Going to be 29 at the start of the next year, rough. He's a zero to me. I'm not buying. Unless it's like a throw-in. I agree. I think he ends up back.

I think they figure out a way. I think he ends up back on like an incentive-laden deal with the books. Yeah, but he's just not going to be the same player. He can't be. Like this is an altering forever type injury in my opinion. But we look at Ayyuk. We've seen the trades for Ayyuk. right he can be bought i think it's a risk i am buying price depending i'm very cautiously

buying iuk and it has to be the perfect situation i have declined about eight to ten different iuke trades since the injury i sold him what did you sell him for i sold him for keon kohom coleman of my second back on a contend how did you feel about that at the time pretty awful because a few weeks before i had just bought i yuk for 26 first in Joku and Taji Spheres. I paid that. So I had a, I wanted to recoup something, get something back. I don't have a lot of players in that team.

It won two championships in a row. And I'm hanging on to try to win this third one, but I just don't have any players. I couldn't afford to keep a player like him on my team. So I took Keon Coleman a second that was offered to me. It wasn't something I sought out and did, and I just thought it was a fair offer. Good enough, I at least get a guy with Kean Coleman,

who had some chance to gain some value and is young, and then my two back. I think deals like that are fine. I think that's, I saw, like, someone in the Discord asked about that deal, and then he asked if he should do Xavier Legate in a second. I think that's where I cut it off. I wouldn't do. I would keep Iyuk for that.

So if you can get a decent player with some outside and a second for Iyuk, I would sell. Buying probably would, I would pay a second. He's still around players like Debo, Debo and Mike Evans, players like that. I think I'm fine selling a Mike Evans for him on a team if you're trying to lose. I think that's where you should be trying to buy Iuke with players like him. Let's have a look at some of the trades here. Cooper Cup and Rashad Bateman for Brandon Ayuk in a second. I think that all depends on team.

Like I could see sending up setting. Oh my goodness. Sending Cup for him if I was on a contender. This is what I'm saying because this sounds like the team that had Cup has had Cup and it's just been waiting to offload him because his team isn't doing his well now. that's his chance to stash him. I don't care about Bateman. He's had a couple good decent games.

I don't care about Bateman. I'm sending him away. Here's another one, Devanta Smith for Brandon Ayuk in a second. That's crazy. That's Smitty. I don't really think I would take that before he was hurt. I do want to say this about Iyuk.

The dude's a superstar player. He's one of the 10 best receivers in league. I know he wasn't producing like that. So people kind of like, oh, he's ass. He sucks. Like, all this, that. He's going to come back. He is really, really good.

But I think we do forget how good he is. His upside was always cap, though. But he does, like, it really matters. Like, him losing, like, the knee injury is really big for him because he's super, like, you know, shifty and things like that for his route running. He's one of the best route runners that I do worry about it. Like, he really needs that, like, I can't even think of the word or no. But he, lateral quickness.

Lateral quickness. There you go. It's really important for him. And I know he has the, he has a confirmed ACL. MCL injury and they said they're looking for more. There might be a third ligament too. So we're confirmed, it was confirmed both of them. We can look at things like

Terry McLoran and a third for IUC in a second. Yeah, I would like to do that for sure. 25 first for Brandon Ayuk from today. No. J.S.N. for Brandon Ayuk and a third. Man, I think

you had to take J.S.N. This is what I'm saying. Like, some of these, some of these get a little bit crazy. Zach Gertz and DJ Moore for Brandon Ayuk in a 27 second. That's DJ Moore. Brandon Ayuk in a second for Tyreek Hill. Oh man.

That's Hill. Brandon Ayuk for Terry McClorn straight up. It's crazy. I'd rather have Iuke. I think it's crazy because we like to buy players like it hurt in Dynasty. It opens up a big window for them. It feels like his value almost went up since he got hurt because it's like, oh, we could use them on rebuilders, shed points, all that.

So like his value went up because, No one was paying that you couldn't get Smitty in a second. You couldn't send him in a second to get Smitty, but he was still playing. Well, Smitty has been not been playing so well over the last like four weeks. So that's important to note. Not that he hasn't playing well. He hasn't been producing as well.

And you got Kareem Hunt and Michael Pittman for Brandon Ayyuk. Cream Hunt and Pittman. See, I think probably that's Ayuk. Pitman's not producing and Hunt probably is going to eventually Pacheco comes back. That's what I'm saying. of it's a very weird place to be buying brandon iuk right now it just is what it is last break and then we're going to hit tight ends and get out of here i have two tight ends i want to talk about okay tight end often a position that people try to get away with not really rostering and that's fine

i think you can i think you can get by on that however as we pointed out in the things that us off. And Joku is expensive now. It just is what it is. But I think there's two tight ends here that we have an opportunity to buy still. That might be a little bit more expensive than they were in days past.

But these guys could legitimately be on rosters that are selling right now just because of how they started their year. And that they have just been the bottom stash type players for quite a while now. One of them is Hunter Henry. You should be

buying Hunter Henry if you need a tight end. I know I have been actively trying. I have a lot of trades and inboxes. We'll see how that goes. Hunter Henry has a 52.5% slot rate, which I thought was kind of crazy. He has a higher fantasy points per route run than Trey McBride. And he has a very nice upside at 15 points per game over the last, this is over the last two weeks, which also so happens to be when the new starting quarterback started to play. He's been the, number one target on the team because Polk sucks. We talked about that last week. And look,

rookie quarterback finds a safety blanket tight end who's now getting open. Hunter Henry has this thing with the end zone already, not just with him and even with some really bad quarterback play. We know he has some upside. He's getting used out of the slot. They're scheming him open. Hunter Henry is somebody I'm willing to pay for on any contending team. because Hunter Henry

could outscore Sam Leporta for the rest of the year I mean he's close to outscoring him now I'm pretty sure Leporta has like two catches over the last month so that's what I'm saying so Hunter Henry is a buy

and a buy that isn't like at that everyone wants the flashy David and Joku but Hunter Henry is a guy for me and the other guy for me is Kate Otten who I like laughed at Ryan and Heath about a couple weeks ago. And it turns out he was right.

He has a similar opportunity to being the number one. Now look, number one target is what we won out of our tight ends. You said this last week buck, but we got two guys that have that opportunity now, unfortunately for KDoughton, at least until Mike Evan comes back. I would be buying knowing that he's going to cost less than Injoku,

13.8 points per game. And he's on pace with Trey McBride over the last two weeks in that regard. we can expect it increase to his already he's tied for fourth in the league with 26 first read targets at tight end we can expect that to increase so for at least the next three to four weeks until that hamstring is good for Mike Evans

we are getting number one read Kate Otten in this what was anyway a very good passing offense I think it still will be a good passing offense because of the offensive coordinator just going to be a little bit more spread around. But Caden is another guy I am buying if I cannot get in on the like David and Joku sweepstakes. These are two guys that are going to be an upgrade to your favorite tight end,

which is so crazy with how bad Kincaid and Leporta have been this year. These are two guys I'm playing over Kincaid and Leporta every week until I see something different out of the out of the two young guys. Yeah, me too. I agree. I would be more interested in buying on not really interested in buying. Not really interested in buying Henry Unless it's for like a third

I don't know You're definitely not getting him for a third in tight and premium Yeah so I'm not like I'm not looking to pay a second for him I'd rather just roll out what I got And I'm more interested more interested in buying Oh never mind Hunter Henry for a 25 third Yeah that's what he was worth 25 third 25 third Jalen Tolbert

Jacob Cowing in a 25 third 25 second okay 25 third Okay Yeah that's what I figured he was So I'm fine with that, but I don't want to pay a second for him. Dan corrected. Some collusion going on nine days ago. Tundra Henning was traded for nothing.

I'm going to call that collusion. You don't know the context, man. I'll call them out. Oh, I'm calling them out. That's collusion. That's collusion, baby. And then if you go look at Kate Otten, obviously we've had a couple of days. This is why we like to record this show on Thursday,

because it gives us an opportunity to let some of the overreaction set in. and have some more trade data. Yeah, K. Dotten for a 27 second. K dot in for a third and a fourth. K dot in for a second. K dot in for a second. K dot in for a second. Coker and Darnold for K dot in in in a second. Gary Judy in a fourth for K dot and K dot in for a second. Eric All in a third for K dot and kind of the prices you expect.

I'd rather pay those prices than the Injoku prices. And Joku is going to cost you a first plus in tight-end premium leagues now. You think so? I got a couple people in my DM trying to get him in a league. Tom Lee had sent me a not a first. I'll say that. Let's have a look. I mean, Theo Johnson and a second for Injoku, I mean, at that price I'm buying Injoku,

but a first and a third for Njoku, Eric Hull in a third for Njoku, that seems like collusion. Jordan Addison for Njoku, a second for Njoku and a fourth, and Joku for Hunter Henry and Bateman. I'd buy Injoku at that price, a 27 first for Injoku. Like a 25 first for Injoku and Rashad White, a lot of up and down. There are some first. So he's still worth checking in on. I think in most leagues, he's going to cost you a one or one adjacent pricing.

And I think I'd rather spend cheaper and go Hunter Henry or K. Dot, and if I already have one of those elites. I will say a trade structure that I haven't. seen a lot of online that I would consider is trading a Sam Laporteur Kincaid for Injoku Plus if you can still do it. You probably can't I don't want to do that though. I

think I would consider it. I think I would consider it. If we really think Deshawn Watson's not the quarterback next year with the injury and the whole thing is every time Watson's not the quarterback and David and Joku goes off and is this like

10 target type tight end? I mean, he'll be 29. he's still athletic as hell I don't think it's I don't think age 29 matters for Injoku that much Andrews was still going in the fifth round and he's 29

he's got the contract Injoku just never got he never got respect and dynasty like after he kind of broke out I know it took him like three years to be anything after he was the first round pick I never got it he like lived in the 10th round it's just with what he did with flaco and then everyone knew Watson was coming back

so then Njoku got pushed back down again and now Watson immediately hurt gets 14 targets it's like okay you know oh shit here we go again like this is the feeling that you're getting and if it's not going to be Watson next year

then I can at least see a push for Njoku getting that love and if you get a significant plus for a long term investment type tight end I think it's a pretty savvy move to look into well I haven't Joku if you want to send it first plus I would not do that Buck

that's not something I would do although I should have taken your the opt to get oh no you wanted Bowers for Injoku never mind get out of here you wanted you wanted

you wanted Bowers in a deal for Injoku that's a fair deal that's a fair deal he says no no no we ain't done with that let's get some final thoughts and get out of here

man I think it was a good show I got to ran about Anthony Richardson for a little bit. I wanted to even go even longer about him, but I had to how to chill out, how to be ran in. But, you know, just keep making deals,

keep making trades and we'll be here next week. Right. And if you want, you know, your trades talked about or if you want a player specifically talked about, you can get in the Discord and leave some comments

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