Fantasy Football Daily - Roster Cloggers And Listener League Startup Breakdowns: Dynasty Points

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

Thomas (@ElNostraThomas), Tomlie (@Tom_Lie92), and Andy (@Andy_Buckler) make good on a promise to cover Roster Cloggers after an episode was lost to technical difficulties. The subs asked and received a breakdown of the good, the bad, the unexpected and more from the Creators vs Sub dynasty startup. Who reached? How did it affect the board? Are we happy with the builds we have? How can going against the market work out for you/against you? Is you trading up more profitable? All this and more as The Market Report dives in head first. #dynastyfantasyfootball2024 #FantasyPoints #2024fantasyfootball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're live at the Tilt Factory. I'm your host, Thomas Tipple. I was going to do the whole regular intro that we have been doing with the fun facts and all of that. We're throwing that right out the window because I just sent co-host Buckley over the moon by drafting Pop Douglas right before we went live. That wasn't even the pick I was trying to troll him on, but I'm going to get a two-fer on that. Of course, we are talking about the Fantasy Points subscriber versus creator league that is drafting right now with myself, Tom Lee, and of course, Buck. Guys, I love this draft. And I really want to talk about roster cloggers, but I really feel like this draft is going to take up the vast majority of the show.

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stay up to date on everything regarding giveaways and things like that. I'm about to make a pick that I think is actually kind of funny because I was going to take in this round anyway, but then Tom Lee let me get this. I'm just going to click

the button because I like this pick here in terms of possible upside. So welcome to the team Sam Howell. 1411. 1411. I needed them to get traded and that value goes up. I like that. Very, very much so.

I was looking forward to doing that. But, okay, that pick was out of the way. On to the podcast. Here we go, boys. We're not really going to do any news today. I really want to focus our time on doing something for the listeners that we tried to do a couple of weeks ago with Ryan Heath, but the audio really failed us. It's something everyone has really been after. So Tom Lee, why don't you kick us off? with, oh, actually, we're going to start with the draft. I didn't even look that. I automatically assumed we were discussing roster cloggers. We can flip it.

Yeah, I think we should flip it. Let's flip it. Yeah. Let's start. Let's talk roster cloggers. So, Hardyacker, it was going to be process-driven chat about what are roster cloggers, why are they important and what do we do with them? You guys asked about the content and we thought it was important to cover off on.

So the main question I pitched to you boys is what is a roster clogger and why does it matter in dynasty to know. who they are and know what to do with them. I think a roster clogger is a player that you don't want to cut but could hurt you. That doesn't really bring any value, but it's a player maybe you don't see a lot all the time on the waiver wire, like similar to like a Curtis Samuel. He's not on the waiver a lot and player you maybe don't want to get, you know, don't want to cut because the roster's so long, but it could hurt you in long run from

like adding a puka type player, any type of rookie that can get steam in camp or any undrafted, you know, undrafted rookie draft players. So I think those are the type of players that are roster clogger's me not necessarily players like that have flex appeal like a mike william so he's not necessarily raster clogger to me because i wouldn't cut him so it's a player that i would think about cutting end up not cutting and hurt me in the long run yeah so rosser clogger to me is somebody that i just don't think has the possibility of accruing any value so he's just literally sitting on your roster in hopes that maybe sort of one day you'll get to use them and even if you use them they may not

do that much i'm talking like dj charke at this point caliph raymond at this point very much roster cloggers, Mike Williams at this point. Another major injury, likely cut candidate over the big hill for big body contested catch type wide receivers. So those are definitely the type of players. I agree. You may not necessarily want to cut them. You may not even want to trade them, but you may not want to cut them, but you definitely

want to trade them is what I should say. And just not have them on your roster anymore. Yeah. So if I were to get an example, like one guy already, he's taken care of, that's the It's Alexander Madison, right? You didn't want him. Samajai P. Ryan is another guy. Like, he's not going to gain any value.

He's hardly useful at this point. Sky Moore, you can just cut him, right? Like, shout out, Skymore, pour it out. I'll eat that L all day. Traylon. Traylon Burks, another guy. Isaiah Spiller. I saw Tom Liu had him.

I really liked that one. Aconquo, another guy. A.J. Dillon. Khalil Herbert. I'm not team. I had them listed already. Yeah, like, see ya. Again, not necessarily saying you want to cut these guys,

but if I can dump Khalil Herbert off of my roster, I would. Just the possibility of his value going up is so slim to none. I mean, Elijah Moore is another one. I believe he's truly a roster clogger. I think he's just bad at this point. So. I bought Kalil Herbert recently.

Sorry to hear that. You bought a clogger. you bought a Twitter favorite you bought a Twitter favorite and so I kind of look at this what like anyone drafted late in a draft in a startup draft like I'm not ever going to draft

Mike Williams I'm not ever going to draft Traylon Berks Elijah well these are like face planters and veterans that need a lot of things to go right that aren't sophomore players players we saw already yeah know what they are already

I want softwa And third year, right? Sophomore and third year I can really buy in unless they're like a third year like Khalil Herbert, whose upside is completely limited in a three-headed rotational running back. It's bad. I don't even want Rochon to be honest with you. But it's players that will have likely no significant impact on your team. You can't really do anything with.

Chances are they're not going to sniff your lineup. They're not unless it's catastrophic that they, like Bateman's getting there. I know he's getting like a lot of camp buzz. Don't want him on my roster. Happy to miss out on that. Right. These are just guys,

their value is stumped, their production is stumped, and you may not necessarily want to cut them, but you should want them off of your roster. I think we could throw, I think like starting to be one of the biggest ones, like Cortland Sutton, like where he like where he kind of goes in that draft,

like I'd rather just have players that I don't know yet. Like Pop Douglas, Wando Robinson, those type of players. Like, I don't know about them fully yet, so I'd just rather have those guys over them. So I would trade court and Sutton for pretty much any of those, like year two, year three receivers.

Like, I would definitely rather have Wondell and popped out this over Sutton. Yeah, I think to me, like, a roster clogger is not necessarily a guy, because like, that's a great example, but those are guys you could trade if you find the narrative. I think for me, the roster cloggers are the guys that you're holding out hope for that you know, quote unquote, should be rostered, but why do you want them? So I think it's sort of started with redraft with this idea of roster spots are important. We have depth here, so therefore we add everyone who should be rusted, and they take up these

spots. The Pooker example is the key one in the off season. If you don't have enough spots, we talked about this process-wise really early on in the renewal of this show was if you are unable to add guys who have hotness and put them on your taxis quite at the very least, then they're a roster-clogger. They're in the way. So guys in season who do possibly add value on a week-to-week basis, depending on injury, in the off-season, become roster cloggers for me. So it's more of a seasonal thing rather than a philosophical thing. Guys like Alan Lazard, Darius Slayton, you know,

flex on any given week based on these injuries in the offseason are completely useless to you. You can't trade them because regardless of situation, they're going to be fourth or fifth on that roster. So even a slight increase is not going to get you any saleable value, but they're in the way of picking up a pooker who is nothing to the world. You know, we're talking a top two starting round pick now. So that to me during off season is really what's most important

as far as roster cloggers go. But these guys make good points. attachments to these guys because of names or hopes, they end up being there for years and they're taking up spots that you could easily use for other things. So really, definitionally, it doesn't matter what it is to you. It's more what it stands for. Is it blocking you from doing something with your team you should do? If so, you should look at what you need to do with that player, because they don't belong there. I don't even argue that in season two. Like, I'm sorry, but I want a rookie. I will take a rookie who has a long shot at being anything. And you use the Pooka example.

I'll continue. There was a couple of teams where I had Puka, couldn't put him on the taxi squad because I wanted to put like my legitimates there, not some iffy guys that. And he was iffy at the start of the year. And I'm 100% dropping these guys that are good for on a week to be. The Alan Lizard,

I would have, I drop no chance Alan Lizard is ever stopping me from keeping a rookie that I picked off, picked up after a draft or in the late round of a draft. Like the Alan Lizard type is one of the first players I'm looking to get rid of and replace with any rookie or any backup quarterback like point what we're expecting Sam Howell to be some of these other guys like they were the same type of guys that I was cutting to make sure I could have Baker Mayfield on my roster right last year and other times

before that so yeah they're just the players that really don't like Brandon Cooks he could get ready to learn clogger dude we love you we appreciate you for your for your service but you're out of here See you later. Josh Palmer. I used them a couple of weeks last year. See ya. Yeah.

It's not to say they can't be valued, but they are just holding a spot. Darnel Mooney. I mean, Michael Thomas is getting there at this point. Noah Brown. People holding on to KJ. Osborne because they're like, nah, man, he could, he could really, he could really pick it. Get the fucking out of here. Alec Pierce.

Alex Pierce. I really, really liked Alec Pierce coming into this year. And then it went down the drain because Downs decided, yeah, I'm going to be a deep threat too. But you can see this. writing on the wall. How many years did DJ chart get held on to? Because people were like, don't worry, he's coming back. Third year.

He broke out in year two. He's going to get back to that. He never came close to getting back to that. Whether it was injuries, people were like, oh, well, situations sucked and then, oh, and then the injuries came in, yeah, but we can't hold on. If you have to, and I do look at it this way a lot, and I'm not a very

narrative-driven fantasy player, I try very hard to avoid narrative street, but if you have to create a scenario, like you're, writing out the next Marvel cinematic universe in order for your player to be relevant. I'm sorry.

In 23 movies time. Right. I'm out. So you can enjoy that. And I'll just pick up any rookie or sophomore running back that I think has a chance to gain value in the end. I would just, I really, and Scott Barrett was on Dynasty

points, I want to say months ago in season discussing with Jacob about why he prefers having wide receivers on his bench than running backs. and it allowed him to open his roster up to players like Puka and some other kind of like Wix and some other kind of breakout-ish type players where we're sitting here holding Khalil Herbert and Roshan and Spill up I mean yes spiller hoping that they get an opportunity at running back

and at the end of the day dynasty wise it turns out better if you if you don't hold on to these guys trying to create you can't create the situation that makes them relevant yeah you have to take the best odds you can and generally speaking that sophomore rookies and sometimes the third year guys so roster clogger has many definitions but considering all three of us gave you a completely different definition the end game is still the same same approach yeah and the end game was right if we're ever to sum it up it's they're not really going to accrue value and even when they get into your lineup they're not making a difference get them off your roster one way or the other however you're comfortable doing it and pick up some of these and big

ambiguous rookie sophomores, even some veteran, like, you could have picked up Pop Douglas in the year for cheap all year. He's still too cheap. I just, like I said, I just drafted him the second before I clicked record at 14.9. So he's still cheap. So, yeah, take that, Andy. I got him. But two seconds, bro. But so that's kind of how we look at roster cloggers.

Now, I do want to point out that quarterbacks, right, they can still be roster cloggers. even though it's super like we're talking about this in terms of a super flex roster cloggers still exist a quarterback can he pick it as a roster club like he could be a starter don't care if he there's no security in quarterbacks in my opinion shan watson was a real safe quarterback pick after his like third or fourth year now he's going as a fifth round pick Trevor lawrence can't miss prospect first round startup pick for a couple years now he's going in the mid two Kyler Murray locked and loaded top four fantasy pick.

He's now going in the mid two after going in the third. And yes, it's injury in situations, but that just means that safety is not guaranteed. Lamar Jackson was real close to falling out of the first round last year, right? There's a couple of guys that can avoid it. Mahomes, Allen, Hertz, Stroud now is pretty locked in. Burrow has even seen a dip into one six. Herbert, who's had the best start that I've ever seen a QB have for three years. he's fallen a little bit back to

one seven now people are talking about you know should you be selling justin herbert and that there's no really such thing as a safe quarterback outside of the top three to four guys so yes quarterbacks can still be roster cloggers guys that may not gain a whole ton of value at this point you can't cut them but you don't want them they're still holding you back so jacobo burset

things like that they're fun to have in season but out a season get them out so roster cloggers there you go in a way Like you got a good audio version. Hopefully this solves some of the questions that we get asked a lot for roster cloggers. Obviously, if you still have questions, tag us hashtag dynasty points in the Discord

on the amateur porn site, X.com, where you can find Tom Leatt, Tom underscore L-I-E-92, and you can find Andy Buckler at Andy underscore Buckler. All right, finish the introster clogging. We're going to take a quick second, and when we come back, we're going to break down this draft. and for people not listening to this

or not involved in this draft I promise you it's not just going to be a look how good my pick was situation some of what is about to said is going to hurt some of what is about to be said is going to hurt us

hell there might be a mid-show breakdown argument forever the next time Andy calls one of my running backs fat and undeserving we might throw hands I don't know

but one thing Tom Lee's draft is once again sent me over the edge. We'll come back and find out in five seconds. One thing that I've wanted to do all off to you is bring a little more transparency from the analysts to the subscribers over at fantasy point.

And the best way I can think about doing that, I set up a bunch of listener and subscriber leagues. And after, you know, we've got to ask quite a bit, why aren't you guys in this one? Why aren't you guys in this one? I've finally rallied a team of four of us. It is myself. It is the aforementioned Tom Lee and Andy.

And then we have Ryan Heath in this draft as well versus eight subscribers. So we decided that we would look at the draft that we were in and discuss things that we felt were out of pocket, picks that blew us away, some things on the board that surprised us, some things that didn't. And of course, at the end of this, we will obviously have to discuss who has the best start. because we have to do that. We have a 10 round kind of breakdown. It's not going to, it's not going to be a drawl. Trust me.

I know when you hear a 10 round breakdown, you're like, oh my God, they're going to go over every pick. It's just going to be terrible. It's not like that. Okay, so sit tight. It's fantasy. It's fun.

It's not personal. So let's, I'm just going to get that out of the gate. I'm going to get that straight out of the gate. So let's, Tom Lee, let's introduce them for what we're going to be doing. So our listener league, it meant to be lighthearted chat, but I get the feeling based on some of the opinions, it may not be that lighthearted. So none of you take this to heart.

The wrap so far, so round one was probably, it was fairly chalk to start. Round one, if you look at the Dynasty Lab and the average draft position so far this off season, there's a lot of quarterback action. And we had very much the same thing. Eight quarterbacks went off the board, seven in a row to start, and the one-oenix. one as well. So what stood out to you guys in that first round? Any values, any any craziness? What are we thinking? Justin Jefferson at one-nine is truly insane. I would take Justin Jefferson over Joe Burrow. I would definitely take him over Anthony Richardson. So getting like the people that selected, because we did a derby draft, so we got

the pick where we draft unless you were the last person who obviously didn't get a choice, you just got what was left because hashtag bad luck sucks to be you. But if you ended up with 1-9, 111-11, and 1-12 in this draft. I'm in love with the start of the 112 drafter. I wish I knew what your Discord handle is, but I can mention it by Sleeper Handel. Whoever Kyle Drogo is, I mean, aside from being one of the greatest rulers,

the Seven Kingdoms never got to bear witness to, he started this draft, just absolutely crushed it. And that was because wide receivers got pushed down the board. If there was a year to draft an elite wide receiver in round, to me it's this year because there is a tear break in my opinion for dynasty after the top four to five right Jefferson Chase lamb st. Brown puka and Wilson to me tear drop for dynasty so this was the year to do it and I was not expecting Jefferson at one nine I did not expect Anthony Richardson to go over I definitely obviously expected one of the three wide receivers that

I would have been happy with but pretty pretty contrarian or start to this in my opinion. I've never seen eight quarterbacks in a row go. There's always a player that slides in there, whether it's Chase or Jefferson. There's been years where it was like Jonathan Taylor or Bijon for whatever reason. But there's always just been another player. And then of course the 101 going at 110 that's kind of on par with ADP, I think it's fine. But we'll get into, we'll get into that build, A1. We're going to talk about it.

That's probably what's set out to me the most. Yeah. So Andy, so you're picking at one seven. So process-wise, like Tom said, you have all these wide receivers available. You go with Justin Herbert at 1-7. What was the thought process for your particular build at that point? I thought he was the last quarterback, like the last elite quarterbacks. And I was thinking about Justin Jefferson.

Like, that was the other player. But I decided to take the quarterback in the, just with how the beginning of the draft started, right, all straight quarterbacks. So I just figured I would get me to the quarterback and I have to worry about it, planning on going zero quarterback. just didn't kind of really work out like that. I think then when I saw Richardson go off at 8, I felt even better about the Herbert pick. And I think that was like, oh, just a forced QB pick right there

because he maybe got tilted a little. He said in the chat that Herbert was the player he wanted. So I just like I wanted the security of that. And just wanted, like I said, I think it's the last, like he's the last the elite. And then no quarterback afterwards, and no quarterback goes off until the two-fives. Yeah, but that's what we talked about before

where I think that there's just a clear, weird jumble of quarterbacks in that third to early fourth kind of round there. We talked about that at a show previously. So that's kind of what

set out to me to the first round. I mean, again, I mean, you were the first one to make trades. You made the most trades in this startup, Tom Lee,

which always really drives me nuts. You passed on Jamar Chase. Yeah. You couldn't get a hold of a future. We talked about this off air a little bit. You couldn't get a future pick

while in trading down, but I think you still made out above average for this situation considering I know how you set up your drafts which always trigger me because every time I'm like man, so many mid players but you always finish three

this is why if you listen to the dynasty points I always said that Tom Lee is the best dynasty player I've ever played with because somehow he always puts these teams together and they always melt faces it's really annoying. Yeah it was quite tilting to decide between taking the elite player. We talked

to pre-show and Andy was saying he'd always take the elite over trading down unless it was futures guaranteed just because of the way it works out. And it was definitely consideration. Definitely something I pushed forward. But based on what I saw with the QB run and the vibe you're getting in the chat, you're sort of reading, we were talked about how startups work and your leagues, you're reading how the other players in the draft are looking to set their teams up and the language they're using and their keenness to trade. So I always like to look to trade early just to get a vibe of what everyone's doing, open up those chats.

And I think I had six chats going about trades and what was possible. Someone definitely wanted to come up and take chase. And for me, adding value to the roster at that point I'm okay with, I didn't want Lamb and St. Brown to go in the next two picks because I still would have loved one of those two. But Bejohn at the 2002 is the compromise. And as an Atlanta fan,

I'm happy to get one share on a roster somewhere. Yeah, obviously you don't expect that to tap. It's a double tap. But, I mean, it was just such a perfect spot. Yeah. Best start in my opinion for three rounds, Lamb, St. Brown, and Nukuwa. That is the best start, in my opinion, heavy. And then, you know, I feel like you kind of went off the rails a little bit,

but we can get into that, like I said, not really his fault, just the way the draft went. I mean, we had one, two, three, four quarterbacks going the third round. More quarterbacks went the third round than the second round. So the position player pool really fell. Now, let's get into this second. second round here. Yeah.

So what I'll do... Yeah. What I'll do with the same round is I'll read through the picks and I think we'll break it down from there because I think this is where a lot of people's drives start to become defined. Yes. There wasn't as much movement as I thought there'd be because if

elite value falls, people push hard for those guys. So in the second round we have Amun Rassant Brown, Bejohn Robinson, the 102, Breeze Hall, Trevor Lawrence, Jamir Gibbs, Kyla Murray, Christian McCaffrey, Garrett Wilson, A.J. Brown. Tyreek Hill and then Chris Alave at the 212.

Right. The Chris Alave pick. Brew, you and I have talked about it. That's my least favorite pick in the first probably four rounds. And it's a complete personal preference. I would have taken Puka ahead of him. Right.

I mean, him and Iyuk are fairly similar. I would take DJ more in terms of Chris Alave and what I think they can produce. But that's besides the point. It's my least favorite pick here. But one thing I definitely notice is the running backs. I mean, it has been a resurgence of running backs in this draft. Four in the second round.

One in the third. One in the four. Two in the four. Two in the six. And then just an insane run. One, two, three, four, five, six running backs in the seven. So the four running backs in the top. Now, I have been on record to say that I think Christian McCaffrey is not a good start-up

pick at his spot. Simply because, well, if we look at Norrie, your team here, you've kind of backed yourself into a going for it. I think that was probably your plan heading into this whole thing, judging by chat lingo and everything else. Anyone that takes McCaffrey in that second round, you are kind of pigeonholing yourself into, I need to win this year.

At first, I need to win next. This lineup, this team won't survive a brutal, injury to McCaffrey. It sinks the ship here. Now, granted with other running backs, Presol, Bejohn Gibbs, if something horrendous happens to their needs, your season is definitely still screwed.

But value has an opportunity to come back. There's an insulation. He had one. He's already had one injury. He came back and was top five, without a carry inside the five, because he's just goaded and he's that good. He's unreal.

Hashtag, buy the dip. When there was one, not the dip. There was no. There is no dip. But yeah, I found the four running backs to be surprising. No surprises by the quarterbacks. I mean, the two quarterbacks that should have gone did go.

The receivers all pretty, pretty on par, except for Alave. I mean, even, I think Alave just looks worse because it's a second round. And we know what his ADP is. Like, if you swap Alave and Nakuwa, even that's any one pick, yeah. Eh, you know, like it's, yeah, it's, it's, eh, like, you don't think about it as much. So that's definitely a call. His peripherals are very nice. But no tight ends in a tight end premium,

which I thought was interesting. I did take the first tight end. We'll talk about that later. Nothing really stood out to me. The 102 goes exactly where you think it was going to go. So the second round, you're right, where you kind of start to see the shape of teams. But I think the fourth round set the tone more than the second round.

The third round, I thought was very interesting. So let's talk about the third round. Yeah. So I think the third round is where things start. start to turn into what the fourth round became. So off the board, Pook and Akua, which again we said we think is a value. Dak Prescott, so we start to get to that next level of quarterback.

That's such a value. It's a value. It's a good value. The 103, then you take Sam LaPorte at the one at the 304. Remembering that all these drafts and startups are third round reversal, hence why everyone's orders are flipped here. The 104 goes next, Superflex Titan Premium. Jordan Love, that's a buck, at the 304. 106, Brennan Ayuk at the 3-7, Fields, Purdy, and then the 105, Jonathan Taylor,

and then Tray McBride rounds out the third round. Yeah, I'm surprised that tight ends are kind of an afterthought this year. In other years, you're getting, maybe it's the Kyle Pitts, like, brain rot. Yeah. That makes it that way. People got so burned by it. But Sam Laporta, tight end one for me, being there at the three. I didn't want the 104 in that case.

I was looking to get you, you took Bijon, which I wasn't expecting. I also was expecting you to get one of those wide receivers. I was fully expecting either Lamb or St. Brown to fall into your lap at 2-2. I was like, great. I can take Beijon and maybe I can get my wide receiver one, my RB1, and my tidy one. Tight-end one. I've got those locked and loaded, baby. I'm over 35.

So the tidy whiteies are locked Everything's tight and white, yeah. Yeah, it is, it is, you know, necessary when you hit this age to keep everything tight and compact. So we go to the tidy whiteies, but the tight end one. So I came close, I got my RB2, my writer's favorite one.

And then I had a hard time with this LaPorta decision because everyone that listened to this knows that I am T. McBride. I was up till midnight last night going back and forth over why I don't think Tray McBride will be a low. end, tight end one to tight end two like Dallas Goddard next year with a Discord member. So shout out to you. I loved that discussion. That was awesome.

But I looked at the players after that. I knew in this build that I was going to go with a mid to late quarterback decision. That was my plan from the jump. So I didn't want to take love. I didn't want to take fields or purdy, regardless of how I feel about them. This was my design build. And I do have Leporter ranked over the position players. went. So I got hemmed in on that. I find the four quarterbacks taken in this third round

interesting. Yeah. But I understand it. But only, uh, only two people ended up having two quarterbacks after 14 quarterbacks went. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. So it's very interesting. Yeah. Buck, what's sort out to you, third round? Yeah. I think it's just the, I think the quarterbacks dropped a little bit. Like I think Jordan Love should probably be a second round start up pick. I think he should be closer to Kyler up there. So I just felt like he was the best player on the board by far, like the most valuable player. And that's kind of what I want to do in drafts. Like I want the player that's worth the most. If I can't like, Tray McBride, I probably can't just trade McBride straight up to get Jordan Love. And I don't like drafting players that I

can't, like I just don't like drafting players like that because I feel like you're just like doing yourself a disservice when you draft players over players that are worth less if that makes sense. So I think it's kind of- positions in the third round you're looking for what is there yeah exactly because it's just you know it's February where we don't need to worry about starting spots and everything right now so we want the most value on the team and players that can a cure value like I think there's a world where Jordan loves the first round startup pick in the next two years you know if he keeps up what he did this year I mean he's 25 and he was basically a rookie and he looked very very good

better than you know I ever thought he would be I think better than most people thought but that's what kind of stands out to me I would say for the most way and obviously basically puka like he should be in a mid second round pick too so yeah i think the last thing in the third round and what really changed things we talked about this last week was the start of that wide receiver tier um yeah and brand and i you get the three seven with no rush on wide receivers to come sort of suggested that that was possibly too early um yeah it's hard to tell when you're in it like if you're coltico who is picking it the three seven i understand you want to try and get your guy um that That feels like to me there's an expectation that IUC won't be on the 49ers because I don't see where IEUK ends up going that high without that expectation with some of the other guys on the board.

Yeah, I think that just kind of speaks to the drop off. Wide receiver 9. Yeah. Yeah, that's expensive. I think you need to take the quarterback there. Like, I just, I don't, because you're not, you can't probably trade IUC for any of the, for fields or party or any of them guys. So I think that's where, like, you kind of pigeon yourself into. to just forcing a wide receiver pick.

And it just gets so ugly there where you're just picking. And we talked about it last week, but he made the decision first. Like he had to be the first one to start that tier. And that's where I think it really, really hurts. If you just wait it, you know, in the fourth round, he got Nico Collins, which, I mean, we can argue that Neil Collins is over Ayuk, and it's a whole round cheaper. So I think you just go a different position there. Don't force yourself into wide receiver.

Maybe he did try to trade back, but I think you just, you move off of there. I don't know what pay. I think it's the one, is that the one five you could have took? I think that's probably just the better pick. Yeah, the one at five, yeah. Yeah, I agree. So, again, I think if you're just looking at pure upside or not, I you're very good player, but you're right.

I think the quarterback, I think the quarterback was it. And we talked about this with the trade. I wouldn't even have traded out of the second round if I were Colty. And this is just, and I'll explain this, you traded back and you ended up netting Trey McBride, and I believe there was a future pick in there, If I'm not mistaken. There was no future.

Devonthe. Okay. All right. Rookie picks. So, yeah. So I would have just taken Carla Murray in the second round if I were Colty

and you, by looking at the board, and this is always hindsight, but Trey McBride would have fell to you in the third. And then you still had an opportunity to take Nica Collins, Devante Smith or Michael Pittman,

and who knows, IU could have still have been there. So there would have been another wide receiver with the same range of outcomes just waiting for it. you and you wouldn't have passed up on a top tier tight end and then another top tier quarterback as well. So that's one of those situations we're trading down can really limit your structure.

But again, that's a hindsight dealing to me. But you're right. It does feel like a pigeonhole pick when there was no real runner receiver. We really had the pick of his litter from the back end of the wide receiver one territory. Like I have Pitman or Iuket wide receiver 12 in Dynasty. Yeah. And I do have DJ Moore one spot ahead. And I think I have water all ahead as well.

So that's just up from my ranking standpoint. I think you could have waited a little bit. I think it's where like most of my strategy of trading down, like the approach is you trade down and you take the value that you perceive rather than position. You're not, if you're not trading out hoping for someone, assuming that someone slides, you have to take the value. And for me, IUC is not that process. You're looking at someone who is worth more to your team overall,

even if you need to trade them afterwards because you're trying to require more value to your team. It's more work in the end. You do have to trade more after the draft finishes. But from a process point of view, if you're going to trade out of those elite guys, you need to be accumulating value to your roster in the hope of building something special based off volume. So it was just an interesting, it's a difference of approach. And we're going to see where it went. The 105 also goes off the board there. So let me head into the fourth. So off the board and the fourth, Kincaid, DJ Moore, the 106, Waddle, Williams, Nico Collins,

goes, Devonte Smith goes, Pitman, To Otanga Balawa, Drake London, DK.K. Metcalfe, and then the 107 rounds out, the fourth round. Andy, this is where the draft got difficult, I think, for a lot of people. Talk us through your approach at the 4-7, taking Devonte Smith, and use that to sort of frame what the value around said to you about the fourth round. Yeah, I think that's where I know I needed to get a receiver, because they didn't have receivers for three rounds. So I was kind of, like, in my mind, I was taking a receiver. I was taking a receiver. where I liked majority of all of them. I think there was a tear break, though, after DJ Moore, Waddle and Nico Collins, I think that's like a straight tear break, and I ended up with the tear break. So I ended up with they all went,

and I ended up with Devante Smith, which I still think, you know, he's a back, like a back-end Dynasty Wider C-1. And the thing about it is like after him, all those players to me are very similar. Michael Pittman, London, D.K., T. Higgins, you could like insert any of them, and I don't really think it's a difference.

So I think that's where it's where it really hurt because it's just super flat and I just miss where I believe isn't the flat tier. I believe, like, Nico and Waddle are a whole step ahead. So I think those are good picks. I would say the pick that probably stands out to me the most in the round is I think 4-1 Kincaid is like I don't really like that pick. I don't think that's a great pick. I'm not sure of the ADP, but I just don't, I just don't like that pick,

or the beginning of the fourth round pick for a tight end of who didn't really show a lot as a rookie. I think he's probably a good player, but I think he kind of falls more in the mold of If he's like a target player, he needs targets, kind of like a Zach Ertz. You know, Zach Ertz was really good at Philly. And I don't like investing in players like that because when the volume goes away, you know, if that's the number one thing you could say about a player, volume usually finds their way out of those type of players.

So I think it's really, I think it's really rich for him considering where, you know, other tight ends went in the draft, you know, his two rounds before Kyle Pitts and T.J. Hawkinson. So I would say that was like my, that sticks out to me in the round, and that's probably my thought process on taking a. demandist Smith. Yeah, Kingcade at the 4-1 almost feels like you were hoping for McBride, and as soon as he went, you went for structure for your team. Because Brew Mesa, who is the one who drafted at the 4-1, when Alan, Murray, Alave, it seems like you want that pillar-tight end, but we know that production-wise, there's more value to come. It just feels like you missed out

in the guy you want, and you're not quite sure what to do with the pick on the block. This is a situation for me that if you're not keen, you trade back from, because you're going to require something. This is still a really tasty pick for a lot of people. and it's the start of a really weird round where people are starting to try and fill holes in their team so I'll get to your hole in a second. Hey, yo. It's just from a, yeah, I know, yeah.

And from a value point of view, it's just a really interesting round. It's a good one for me to trade out of. So if you're in a startup, I heard it, don't worry. Yeah, if you're in a startup and you're not sure what to do on the fourth, this is where you trade back the value

because it just seems like a thick tier. So then, can I just ask then, what if, so in this situation, obviously we're all just trying to trade out. So what if the, if you're somebody that's like, man, I really don't want to make this pick. Yeah. How do you avoid the feeling of just trading out to want to trade out? Because that's a very real thing. Right. That's what I feel. I just described that with what I believe Coco's second round trade out was, was a trade out just a trade out to get whatever I could. And in my

opinion, it kind of backfires. It's obviously, uh, in my opinion, less likely it backfires on like a fourth to a fifth and a second. But if you know you're not going to get, you know, a future pick because everyone in this draft was very much holding on very tightly to their future picks. We shout out to all of you. You should absolutely be doing that. I love all of you for that. It's a very great job.

But say Buck tries to trade out and he doesn't net what's deemed as an acceptable return, how do you not just take that pick or do you bite the bullet? Because you're somebody that takes minimal tradebacks. I mean, just to trade back. how do you end up okay with that and at what point does your value stop where you just make the pick anyway because we can always say I would just trade out

but very real possibility of the tradeouts just not available to you not an option yeah yeah I agree I think I think that's how you get to like you said I think that's how you get to forcing picks and I just think you got to just like maybe look at ADP a little more

and try to see if unless you really wanted unless you really wanted King Kay like you went into the draft thinking we're getting, which is a bad process. I'll be honest, don't do that. Don't go into draft saying you want this player, want to draft this way, going to draft a quarterback, and then not draft another one until the eighth round. Don't do that.

It's just really bad. It's how you end up with bypassing. That's how you end up with Tom's team because that's what Tom went into this draft doing. We'll get to you in a second. And I like my team, so suck it. I think going in with like a general idea is good, right? You go in and say you want to go hero quarterback. You want to go hero RB.

you want to punt rb i think those things are good you kind of go in and say i want to draft two quarterbacks in the first four or i want to get kinkate on my team no matter the cost i think that's where you kind of mess up and you just end up just taking away ahead of a dp and for me at the four one like you just need to take a receiver there because waddle i think waddle is much more valuable than kinkade i even this isn't a heavy tied impregument it was point five so it's not like a heavy it's not like a whole one point i think you take the quarterback or the the the wide receiver and you try to get Kincaid later. Or, like, I just think you have to look at ADP.

Maybe be more, a little more cognizant of what the ADP is and where he is. Because you don't want to, like, we want to respect ADP because I know, like, we think we're the smartest people in the room, but it is a very good tool. It is real. It's right a lot of times. We want to respect it. So when you're looking at a player, it's not to say don't draft a player five spots of ADP or three, it was when you're really like 10, 15, 16 picks.

That's when you want to like maybe just like respect it a lot. little bit. You don't want to just take a player so ahead, because maybe he'll fall. Well, and it's full round, right? Like, there were a couple of these picks that to ADP are full round. I mean, IUC full round, Knox full round,

just quite a few. Kincaid. Wrong Bill's head on. Not Knox. Yeah, Kincaid. Jonathan Taylor, a full round ahead. Just a significant amount of players. A Lave was a round ahead. So you're right. I think

sometimes we do need to check in with ADP a little more. I'm not as much of a go-and-get-your-guy player as I used to be. Yeah. I've really changed that tone for me. And I do feel like that's kind of how it went with this. And I understand that it's not a mega-high-stakes-type league. So it's understandable. But I do feel like there was a lot of pressing here.

And for me, what I see a board like this, when you see a board where you can kind of clearly see, and this is just for general when you're doing. start of draft this year, when you can see a pattern of people pressing ADPs. Yeah. And you see a couple of times where you know people are moving up, not even moving up, but taking players significantly ahead of ADP, that is where I am most comfortable just sitting back and letting the board do what the board needs to do. Because I've done that.

I very much have had a 90% expected draft pretty much all the way up until the 11th, 12th round. it kind of went how I thought it was going to go for myself. Not for the player exactly, but when Andy says things like don't go in with like a plan, I agree, but I knew what I wanted to do. And if I got the opportunity to do it, I would.

I got lucky in this draft where other drafts I've had to switch up very much. So Tom Lee, you want to talk about it. Let's talk about the elephant in the room. Yeah, so tour at the four, what are we at? Four nine,

four nine. Four nine. I thought it would be funny. to go and pitch the guy before you that I would give him a late round pick to come up and move and take tour because I wanted to make a between Goff, Watson, and someone else is your QB1. He didn't think it was as funny because he really wanted to get his guy, which is credit to him. Yeah, Axis percerra, he's had a really good draft. I like his team. So stick to your guns. Don't go for the pun and for the content, even though it sucks because now I'm sitting here

and I like tour at the, what we said before, we didn't like tour in the third, two in the late fourth, pile on quarterback, young, good weapons. At least you've got to go. you know, looking at Goff, Watson, Young to come. Yeah. Like, I took one of those guys and like, I'm, you know, there's a reason I want to do it up. It was a full round after ADP, pretty much. Yeah. So the value's there.

And like, it was the pick before, two picks before where I thought I could have got him. I wanted to move up. The process was there all round, but credit to Axis per Sarah for sticking with it. How did you feel taking tour as QB1? Because we don't have just had a conversation the week before about him. Right. So I knew I was kind of going for this kind of build. And for me, it was going to be either Tua or Gough, because Watson was a no for me.

Bryce Young was a no for me. Baker was a no for me. This was the bottom of the tear break knowing that I wanted Tua over Gough. Now, some of that's narrative-driven. I do think golf is going to lose his OC eventually. I do think he's playing absolutely out of his mind. but he's younger, Tua is, he's got possibly one of the best play callers in the league

as his head coach, not going anywhere. He's got unbelievable weapons around him better than what I feel Detroit has. They both have their problems. I don't care if he's bad and bad weather in the playoffs for Tua. I don't care. That does not matter to me. So I'm okay with it given that it was Drake London,

who I kind of think is overdrafted right now, DK Metcalf, who's just a fine player. The rookie pick wasn't that enticing to me, and then it was just rinse and repeat afterwards. So for me, taking a guy like to a round after ADP, even though it feels disgusting,

is exactly on brand for this receiver running back tight end start in a super flex. I'm totally okay with it because I'm not, I don't have, I, how can I say this? I wasn't afraid of having any FOMO over the next six picks. unless I missed out on one of the two quarterbacks.

So for this, it just came down to my rankings and I had Tua above golf. I knew both these quarterbacks were going to be gone if I didn't take one. So I was just taking one and I went with my ranks. I felt perfectly fine about it as much as I take a dump on Tua. But, I mean, you're getting them again, a full round pretty much after ADP.

It's just a smash. Sometimes we don't have to make fantasy harder on ourselves. Like, am I sitting there like fist pumping because I got Tua? Yeah. I have to fucking win in this league. No. But like,

I know I'm going to have the big blowup weeks that I need. And he'll be consistent. It'll be a back end QB1 for the most part. Yeah. I mean, hopefully he gets that contract and I have a little bit of security. I feel like it's fine. Not great.

But I feel like him and Trevor Lawrence, two rounds apart. I feel like I got a pretty similar setup here. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I agree with that. The 107 went at 412.

So we go into Goff, Higgins, Etienne, Rashi Rice, Tankdell, Addison, the 108, H.N. Andrews, Deshawn Watson, Enze, Flowers, and the 5th. This is an interesting round. So this is where I managed to trade back a lot of my value too, which meant a lot of pressure on me because I was picking with most of the round, four of the top picks. It's also an interesting round because you picked Rashi Rice ahead of buck at the 5-6, which caused a fair bit of controversy before the show. So I'll get you guys to talk about that first,

and I'll talk a little bit more about the process of trading my money. next to the fifth. So I absolutely would have taken T. Higgins. Yeah. But you did your thing and you took T. Higgins. Thank you. So when I looked at the rest of this round, I didn't like any other pick in this round.

Mostly because I didn't need a tight end. Or I would have taken Kyle Pitts. I didn't need a tight end or would have taken Mark Andrews. But I would rather have Rishie Rice over Tank Dell, Addison, that rookie pick, tight ends that I didn't necessarily need. and it's not a matter of just drafting, don't draft for what you need. It's not about that.

It's drafting two tight ends that early limits the rest of your position player accessibility. So I was going receiver if I couldn't, but I'd rather Rishi Rice over Zayflowers. I have that in my rankings. Would rather have over Watson because I knew I was only taking one quarterback to this point in the draft.

The only one that had me second guessing was A-chan. And part of the reason I didn't go that way because I don't want to take two running backs that early. I'm one running back early, and then I'll fill in the blanks at the end is how I build my teams. And I felt like I had that opportunity still. So I felt really great with it.

I came around. I even gave, I gave Andy his flowers on the Tuesday show. I accepted the fact that Rice had a very much almond raw, St. Brown-esque, mini-a-Rom-Ross, St. Brown breakout,

second half. So I'm hoping I can hop on to that and ride that out for next year, possibly get a boost. Just get a very solid wide receiver two who had a wide receiver one-esque season on the back half of Kansas City. My only concern is they bring in a wide receiver there. But at the end of the day, I feel like he just nestles in with the Devontas Smith, Jalen Waddle range of outcomes. And I'm getting that in the fifth round. So I was very comfortable with that. Andy, to his own detriment, kind of talked me into it without knowing it.

So any chance I got a chance to see him just lose his mind. Call me corny. He got out everything he needed to get out like I was a therapist. He was really hurt by this one. So I just on air want to apologize to my co-host for absolutely nuking his draft plans again. So I do apologize to that, but hashtag get better trade up. so I just I hated yeah I just didn't like this round fifth round and I said this in our chat I think this round the fifth round was is going to be this way in drafts all startup for me

if I can I want to use my fifth round and this is not something I'm going to say it often I want to use my fifth round startup pick to move up yeah into the third round if I can Because the tier drop-offs at that point is so substantial. The fifth round is kind of a dead zone round to me. Yeah. I have very much six round better. Yeah. So Rice goes at 5-4, Tank Delgo is next to 5-5, and then Buck, you're stuck with 5-6.

Stuck with Jordan Addison. So it's not a bad pick, but how did you feel once you saw Rice and Higgins gone off the board? Well, I knew, I knew Rossi Rice wasn't going to make it. And I knew he was going to go. So I kind of accepted it. I'm happy with Jordan Addison. You know, we talked about it. I like Jordan Madison.

I knew at that point in the draft, I'm already behind on wide receiver. So I need to try to make it up. And I need to take upside shots of receiver that have a chance to, you know, grow in value. And a year, like a year two bet on a player I really like, a prospect I really like. I think it's good. He was wide receiver 22 in this draft. I think it's a one or two spots after his positional ADP. And I think he was the tear break at wide receiver after that because I like him well over Zayflowers.

into the older aging vets and that kind of pigeonholes me into a build I don't want to be in taking a digs or someone like that. So the only other player I considered just like based off with just value, the player that I felt fell a lot was A-chan. But taking him, taking him after having Gibbs is I would never recover at receiver by doing that. Yeah. So I just couldn't do it. Took Addison. I'm happy with it. I think he has a chance to maybe gain a rounder, like a round and a half of ADP. He's a good player. So Tom Lee, one question I didn't actually ask you. Why were you so comfortable taking D.K. Metcalf of a round above ADP?

Because I have him in that same tier. I just think he's a more dominant and more attractive player to watch personally. If I went through them, Rashi Rice, I fear a guy coming in. And as much as he had an Amonra-esque season, he wasn't a player, I loved coming in. and there's a little bit of that sort of like pre-biase sitting there. It's not to say he won't pop. He's just one of those guys. I'm happy to be wrong on if it goes that way.

Tank Dell, I have a share of and is insanely fun to watch, but it was very heavy touchdown reliance. If it repeats it, I'll be wrong on that too. Addison's still stuck behind Jefferson. I'm not taking Zayflowers. Like, he was the next guy for me once London met the pick before. And I knew I'd come back just based on how Kyle Droger is, draft started, he wouldn't be tapping again on a wide receiver like T. Higgins because there's

no real value to be out of there. So I knew I'd get two of them. It was just a case of who do I take first? And I think T. Higgins is a less than an attractive name with the guys yet to come to trade up for. So I backed myself and to get him on the next pick up. So I wanted to ask the Metcalf question because we talk about, oh, you need to be a little bit more in tune with what ADP is. However, It's taking value later, right? Yeah. Right.

But this is a case where you're willing to see past the early offseason. This is a player fatigue situation where you're looking at this D.K. Metcalf upside has way more than the others at this point. So you're actually going and saying, I think ADP is just wrong. Yeah, I think people wanted Metcalfe to be Tyree Hill. And I think that frustration of him not being. the dominant like Megatron style wide receiver, has pushed him down too far. I think he's a fifth round pick.

It's as close to the fifth round as I was going to get because I have so much fifth round. And I wanted a good wide receiver that I think can get me weak winning ability with good floor most weeks. Right. This is the guy is not that far off from 17 points per game. Yeah.

He was going to go, if you didn't take him, he was going to go somewhere in those three picks to someone else. So it's not like it was a big difference. And with those guys, like we talked about, they're all so similar that it's just kind of like pick your poison. The ADP matters with them, but they're all around, like right around there, like eight picks. It's like 10 of the,

it's like 10 picks like eight of the receivers. But it's kind of whatever you want. I do think you're right in that it is just a little bit of fatigue and that ADP is just wrong on DK Metcalf. This is the guy who had 15.4, expected fantasy points per game. Off his biggest season in 2020 that really pushed him into that top six of Dynasty Wide Receivers. He had 15.9 expected fantasy points for game.

He still had that upper tier type season in that expected. And if you look at Ryan Heath charts about statistics that are sticky that carry over year over year, based on the three-year sample size of wide receivers that hit the thresholds that we like, he stands out because he hits those with his data. So I think you're right. I will agree with you on that. I think DK Metcalfe was an absolute smash pick, a full round ahead pretty much.

Just wanted to point that up because we did talk about it. And I wanted to mention the other side of that because we can't sit here and say, you should draft one way or the other because this, this and that, and then not point out the times where we do go against that. I think that's very important. Yeah. The times it can hurt is trading, like we said before, trading back. So I accumulated a second and a fifth for my first, which I was happy with.

And then with that second, I then accumulated a third and a fifth. So all of a sudden, I'm four picks up volume-wise in the fifth, over everyone else who has one or maybe has to this point, only four picks through five rounds. So I felt good until we got here. And then you realize that with Bejohn, I'm either taking H-H-N, which I did, or I'm taking Carl Pitts at the 5-8. I don't generally like tight end,

but like you said this year, there's a lot of young appealing tight ends. I couldn't really pick between Andrews and Pitts, so I thought, you know what, if I take H.N, the running back that I want to take a shot on if he is going to be different, is there, and then I'll take wherever I couldn't get the next time up. The one I wasn't sure on was to Sean Watson. I tried hard to trade out of the 511 and move back so someone else could come up and pick someone. But the man still guaranteed a lot of money. This year was essentially a wash. If there's anything left into Sean Watson at all at the 511, I'll be the

guy to find out. Yeah, I think the players just like dropped off a cliff right after that. So I don't I think the pick makes a lot of sense because the next quarterback to go is Bryce Young. And we don't know about him. But just the position players just drop off a cliff. You're all like at that point it's just, well, Pickens is there. Like that's a polar bear in Arlington, Texas. He probably shouldn't be there. But then it just goes to Stephod digs and more like more contending type pieces.

And just no one in that sixth round, honestly, besides maybe T.J. Hawkinson's like a fun click there. So say flyers wasn't. consideration just because of his boom games but rather than wait for smith cousins jones rogers later in the draft knowing that people needed quarterbacks i thought i'd better lock it up so there's there's also there's also like zay flowers legal trouble wow well we're seeing NFL's i mean like most of these speaks have legal trouble um we'll head into the six yeah sorry well i just want to point out like let's from from from this point on because we're at an hour and i don't want to have another hour and a half

long pod. I think that people don't want that. From this point on, let's do what surprises us and then let's do some theory instead of necessarily just breaking it down by round. And I'm going to kick this off where if you

were to be able to look at our draft board, there is this weird running back kind of pattern that starts to form in the form of steps I can tell you that I've never before seen a grouping of running backs for one half of a draft board. One half of the draft board starting at Bucket, one seven,

drafted one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fourteen running backs from round ten to thirteen. And the other side drafted three. That is a night and day difference. So I want to start with the running backs that got. drafted late and why I actually love them. Yeah. Because Dead Zone running back has never been more apparent to me than ever.

Now granted, Dead Zone is, for what we understand, typically from around 5 to 7. I think that there were some absolute smashes, but they all have question marks. ETN put up the best year that he had, limited in the past game, was hurt, and the offense still look like shit. So it was one of those things where he actually ended up becoming a volume merchant, which is not a people expected that of ETN. That puts him in a category with so many other running backs. Then you have Achan who has questions. Mostard is back, how he got used at the end of the year injured.

Walker, we know what Walker is. He's the same kind of guy that can run 10 yards to gain three. Looks really good on tape. Super inefficient. Touchdown magnet. Doesn't get the opportunity to catch the ball as much as we'd like him to. And Charbonnet did look good for the one. or two games that he got to carry the load.

Javonte Williams. Possibly a better example of a good NFL player versus a good fantasy player. Right. We think what we want from Walker is not what we're going to get. Javonte Williams in the seventh. I've talked about how I feel about that pick for a while. Jacobs in the seventh has a chance to pay off.

Pacheco, I believe in his last year of his rookie deal, seventh round pick. We know how teams treat running backs. Tage Spears is fine. I actually really like that pick by Drogo but again we're hoping that the upside kicks in. Barclay needs to sign somewhere.

James Cook, I think, is a fine pick for value. I believe that's after ADP. I think that's a fine pick, but you get into the running backs that went, like I said, those 14, Brian Robinson in the 10th was a smash pick. Remandre Stevenson, which I got Snyth on at 1011, smash,

Drogo, Aaron Jones, 10th round, smash. James Connor, very much at Tomlin. Lee pick didn't love this one as much because I'll forever doubt James Connor it's got to fall off eventually Warren was fine I didn't want to take Joe Mixon but somebody named Tom Lee took Remandre

Stevenson I ended up taking Mixon as my RB2 in round 11 and I feel like his range of outcomes on Cincinnati this is hoping he's in Cincinnati is similar enough to a guy like ETN or what we think Bacheco is going to be and we're talking five rounds later guys like

Henry and Echler and Chubbs Hubbard, Chase Brown, Mostert, after his 20 touchdown season goes into the 12th round. I think the 10th to 14th round is an absolute dynamite smash time of the year for running backs right now.

Maybe more than other years. Echler was a way higher pick last year. Henry was going a couple rounds higher. Stevenson was going higher. Paula, we didn't even talk about him being a ninth round pick. It was a fifth round pick last year. So much value has dropped in running backs.

I think that's why it felt like receiver was so weird in the early portion of this draft. There was a lot of wide receiver boys within this draft. And it forced them up the draft board. And it really, the value for running backs has fallen this year. If I was to look at anything on a board right now, that's what stands out to me the most. And then it becomes quarterback.

there is almost no value in wide receiver this late in a draft board from what I have seen from the other listener league drafts as well wide receiver value is gone if you miss out early out the window yeah I agree I agree the running backs they really fell in here and like I wish I had some picks in between there because I like a lot I like a lot of those running back I think they're great bets there like remandre like you said just a fifth round pick and he's all the way down here pretty much in the 11th. And it's easier to click those players with the running back, with the running back draft coming in with the class, just not that great. So a lot of the news are going to hold value. And then if you compare them to the wide receiver is going, it's like with like with Najee and

opposed like Najee and Dotson, like you'd rather just have the running back there because it's going to give you more value in season to trade him away. He's going to score more. And he doesn't, he's not going to like go to dust as someone like Dotson who had a really poor, you know, really poor second season and is in a bucket. that we don't necessarily want to draft right now. So I think that's where you start to force the receivers, and I think the running backs are the best picks for sure. I agree.

Yeah, I think it's interesting because people don't, in a startup this early on, like to take players who will die on their roster, right? It's not good process, especially early, but they've got to go somewhere, and if they're fading this late, you know, 10th through 14th round, guys who could be the starting running back for, if not the team they're currently on, wherever they sign, let alone if they get a three-year deal,

if you get two years of functionality from any of these guys, you'll be absolutely thrilled because the rest of your draft should almost be done by this point, right? The staples of your team, the structure should be built. These are just all about cherry on top, you know, add value to the team, add weak winning upside. Yeah, it's just insane. I think because it gets to a point where like it's cute to fade the running backs.

Like, it's cool to be the zero RB, bro, which I am. Like, I don't like running backs. but it gets to the point with the nausee the brian robinson those type of players you might as well just draft them in the 10th because you're not getting you're not buying them in season for a 10th round pick for what they go in the start-up in 10th you're not getting them you'll be trying to talk to get and you'll be a zero rb team trying to get nausea looking at two second round picks and like a decent lower wide receiver you like you might as well to strap them that's why it's like it's cute to fade them but it kind of gets to a point where you might as well strapped them because you're

going to have to buy them anyway and you're not going to be able to buy them for what they're going for in the startup it's kind of like what we used to say with quarterbacks. It was like a saying back, like when I kind of started a dynasty, it was like the cheapest way to get a quarterback is in the startup. I think we're kind of at that. We're running back now where it's,

they're cheaper to buy in the startup because you're not going to get, you're not going to get Brian Robinson or Echler, even like an Echler. Like if he goes around the 210, you send the 210 for Eccl, you're probably just not getting him. Yeah. So I think you were at the point where it's like,

it's cheaper to draft them than buy them in season at this point. Yeah, it's, I used to make a joke about how if you needed a quarterback in a super flex league, league you might as well have had a sign on your forehead stapled that says kick me yeah because everyone knows you need it and you're getting charged for it you are bang on with the running back comments because it is either the top tier guys or every you weren't buying rachad white for anything less than a one plus et n was going for one plus sometimes two in the year james cook

getting him the seventh round well he's going for you know a mid to late one plus so you're Absolutely right. And I also want to cycle this back before we start doing our favorite builds and are not favorite builds and getting out of here. Circle this back to the roster cloggers portion of the show. Because we're talking about, oh, well, a roster clogger was someone that can accrue value. Correct. These running backs, not really gaining value. The guys like Zamir White, who I wrote up in my article that you can go and read for free at fancypoints.com, three undervalued veterans that you can, that will help you win in your startup drafts.

You can go listen to that. Read that. It's my first article that I've written in three years. Very happy. It was a big milestone moment for me. So shout out to everyone that helped me get there. But the guys like Chase Brown, even Chuba Hubbard, Ty Chandler, who got the news immediately after he was drafted.

Shout out of Ryan that tilted me out of my mind. Kendrae Miller. Some of these guys can accrue value, like Charbonnet, who he didn't mention because it wasn't in our end, but in the 12th round is a great pick. Phenomenal pick there. Nick Chub. could maybe come back and play some football. We don't know.

Echler could sign Henry. These guys, even though they're not accruing value, they are useful, which is what makes them not a roster clogger. They could be a dynasty clogger, which is just an old guy on a dynasty team, which generally signals bad time, but they're not roster cloggers. Roster cloggers would be like Cortland Sutton being the seven-thens. wide receiver, eighth wide receiver for a team that has like one running

back, two running backs. That's a roster clogger to me. Mike Williams, Elijah Moore, we said all that. They're going in the same rounds of these running backs that do still have the potential of 12 plus points per game. That's important. That is, if we were to put it in a box

and give it to you as an answer for what we feel a roster clogger is, that's it. This draft board's it. So yeah, what, let's jump to, well, I mean, I think we've just got to do it. Let's talk about our least favorite and our favorite builds and strategies. All right.

Do we want to go favorite or at least favorite first? Let's get the harsh out of the way. Let's go least favorite. Okay. I'll start. I think my least, my least favorite build is the, what I like to call the playerless build.

And that is the 110. And I get it, right? You take Caleb Williams or possibly Caleb Williams at the one. 10 is the rookie 101. And I think you just kind of forced it a little too much here. You would take the 102, 101 and 101 and I think that's like fine, not something I would do. But it's okay. But then it just gets to be where it's just way too forced.

And it's not a team that is going to be like, it's going to be a really hard hold to dig yourself out of, I think, in the next few years. Because now not only do you have no real players, you have picks that you drafted before everyone else, meaning you value the pitch. picks higher than everyone else. So what you're going to do is probably like chasing your own tail when you put them on the block and you're just going to have to trade them for players you pick to pick over. So I don't really like understand that part of it. And it's just the team, now you're betting on the rookies have to also hit and be good. So if they don't, you're already

set back a couple of years with this build, just to be real. If the, if the players don't hit your step back even further and then you have no future things to trade because players you picked were picks that you drafted and didn't hit. So I think this team is just in a rough spot. Just because I think you force a little too much. I think the 101 and the 102, I think it's okay. I think you just force them. Your first real player was Jaden Reed in the six rounds, the first actual player on the team. I think it's just a little too much, a little too extra, and just something that's like, that's like a buy-in burner team to me. It's like, that's kind of where it is. So that's my thoughts on that, but I don't mean to be too mean. I mean, I got JSN, so I feel

you. anything can happen right like that this is dynasty it's the off season so you never really know but yeah yeah i think i think like my last thing about it is i think you're also buying them out of premium too so it's like you're not getting them at like you look back in three years like oh man i got caleb and marvin in the startups like i mean you drafted them as a qb1 the cubi one the top seven or whatever a six dynasty wide receiver so you just have like you're just suing all the risk kind of for like no reason to me it's like you're just taking on all the risk. It just gets, it's just a scary

build, but it's not a, it could work out and, you know, we'll see. So that is also my least favorite, it's actually, it's not my least favorite build, but it's my second least favorite build that we're going to talk about. And I think you're right. I get it. You want to

the two top quarterbacks in the draft, the two top wide receivers. So in your mind, you're looking at, and then let's say you go Bowers, right? You're like, awesome. I'm going to have five top, two, two round startup picks next year. This is going to be so sick.

Except you're already drafting four of those picks at their ceiling. What neighbors and Marvin would have to do to exceed where it is you're taking them is insane. So I don't like taking these guys at their highest value before they step on the field. You can call me an old head that I don't think ahead, whatever you want to do. but in the range of outcomes Marvin Harrison coming out and dumping 17 points per game is so unlikely I understand that we have been spoiled

not saying that it is impossible we have been spoiled by first round wide receivers Marvin Harrison looks absolutely dope so does neighbors but in terms of range of outcome you're drafting them at their peak which is why I don't like it and again if you were going to commit to the bit

I would just commit to the bit I would be trying to trade up then and just getting as many of those first rounders as I could. Now you did trade up. You traded up for what I believe was the 104. So shout out to you for getting that done. I would have just kept doing it because at that point, you want the top eight picks in the draft,

taking a guy like Jaden Reed, who's fine. And then your tight end was Jake Ferguson. I mean, are you going to draft Bowers or no? That's my question. So then why draft Ferguson? So there's just a lot of questions there to me. I think the running backs you got were a great value. Brian Robinson in the 10th, I shouted that out.

Warren, I think it'll be a fine mid-play RB2. I think that's fine. Kendrae in the 13th. I think that was great. And you made the right trade-outs. You traded out so someone could get Kelsey. You traded out so somebody could get London and ETN, who I think are two players that are overdrafted.

The movement that you made within the draft was awesome. I agree. I think you are a pigeon-hold. I think you need quite a few things to go right. It's why I feel like when you tear down or when we say tear down, it gets to a point where tearing down is a detriment to your team. Because you still need those elite pillars to still go in. So even if everything goes right and the top four picks absolutely smash for you,

you still have so much to work, so much work to do in the aggregate. And then your team's not bad enough to be top three in 2025. So you're automatically putting yourself like Buck said is kind of in a tweener productive struggle type build. And that to me is widely. But your movement on the board, I thought was phenomenal. Yeah.

For me, I think if you're going to do that sort of process, like Tom said, you could commit to the bit and try to keep getting these guys or take people who are worth multiple first and look to acquire them in the offseason. If you're going to go productive struggle, you want as many 25 first as possible. So given how resistant everyone was to move these people,

picks in the draft, it's going to take something pretty special to forge them out outside of the draft, let alone two from one team. So, you know, passing on a guy like Pooka, sorry, not passing a guy like, uh, love or like a required player, um, works, but trading up to do it kind of hurts you because you kind of lose out on the opportunity to grab someone who could net better trade value out of it. So it's more for me, like you guys said, it's the unknown. It's not my least favorite. We'll get to that a sec. But anything that leaves you with unknowns after a draft or work to do is fine, but you've got to be willing and capable of doing the work within the context of the league you've got provided, which can be really tough sometimes. You know,

like I talked about how my strategy tends to build around lots of volume. If no, I want to trade, you're kind of stuck. You've got to hope these guys hit their ceilings. Otherwise, I'm going to finish fourth for, you know, 20 years to come. And they look to rebuild the same way. So there are, there are drawbacks to every strategy. It's why it's really hard to say what teams you do and don't like. But I agree with the boys on that. It's just, it leaves you in a pigeonhole position to try and force something to happen.

And you can't really trade these picks now because no one else has multiple young assets to want to give up to go and get them. So if this was in season and you wanted to do this, you know, from a few years out, it could work absolutely fine. It's just tough in the startup to see it happen. Yeah, I think the last thing I'll say about it,

I think it's a little ironic if you look at like, he took the 110, which is presumably Caleb Williams. And at the two five is Trevor Lawrence. So that was what we were doing two years ago, and Trevor Lawrence was coming out. We were taking him as the kicker, the 101 and the 108. And same thing with Garrett Wilson. Those are like similar prospects.

These two players, and we see back in three years now, they're in the second round. So you, there's not even in the first round anymore. I don't know if that's making sense what I want to say, but you're taking those prospects are similar. I mean, Trevor Lawrence arguably probably a better prospect, honestly than Caleb Williams. I mean, at least by like NFL standards,

on one of the most high prospects and Sandra Luck, probably the most. And he's no longer in the first round. So it's like you're just, there's no, you're not leaving yourself any room. Like you're only leaving yourself room to the players losing value because they really can't go up.

So I think that's kind of where it is. But yeah, we could move on to our favorite, or if you have something else. Now, Tom and I had this exact conversation a few years ago when Lamar Jackson kept falling to the early second, people moving up to take the rookie 101, which I think at the time was Trevor Lawrence, you're hoping he hits the upside,

which you already have at your second pick, which was Lamar Jackson. Like that was the best case scenario, and in the long run, it didn't happen. So, like you say, it could absolutely hit where you picked them. Like, that is the ceiling. So that's the hard bit with it.

The other roster we probably don't like as much is, for the same reason, if you leave yourself prone to one injury, collapses the build, or you leave yourself nowhere else to pivot to because you go and pick is building to win now with no backup plan in place and trading up to do so so at the 105 Lamar Jackson Christian McCaffrey Karen Williams Tyreek Hill great start Travis Kelsey a tight-in-line Richard White as a flex fantastic

the problem is if you trade up to do this you leave yourself with Jacoby Myers as your wide receiver two Tyloff locket wide receiver three Evan Ingram in a flex DeAndreau Joe Hopkins in a flex. Baker is your QB2. And on the bench, only two players in Rahim Mostert and Gabe Davis. And we're in the end of the, we're in the start of the 15th, hitting the 16th round. So like, there's not really many startable players or picks now that are available for you to pick. These guys have to hit knock it injured and you want to win two or three times or be able to pivot out if someone gets hurt. The problem with the McAfree pick, like we said earlier, is if McAfri gets hurt, you cannot trade him to value. Like if

Bejohn gets hurt, if Jamea Gibbs get hurt, there's heaps of insurance to those guys that you could trade for players worth a third or a fourth starting pick because of the hype and what they can do for your team. Take him in California and the second limits the upside on that because there is no insurance, but there's no backup plan. Karen Williams was fantastic this year. I was wrong on Karen Williams. But he is a volume play. If that changes at all because they want another person in there, that upside's cap two. And then people who didn't like him beforehand don't want Karen Williams.

So, you know, Tori kills got two years left. Travis Kelsey I think Karen Williams is a smash Rby won this year again. It's after that, Izzy. There's not a lot of protection there. I like Rashad White. We talked about historically speaking. Regression is going to hit him.

I mean, I use the quotes from the fantasy footballers on that point. Shout out to them. But he was the sixth round pick, which I think is fine. The problem is you've moved up a couple of times. To take Travis Kelsey, who some people swore he was retiring this year, a lot of humming and hawing about his in-season and how they used them.

So he had stretches that still managed to disappoint. And you got him in the seventh. So it's not like there's a lot of risk there either. And then same with Tyree Kill. One thing Norie, as the player, didn't do was take the older players at positions that really stood out above their ADP. But yet still found a way to pay crucial three, five, seven and ninth round picks are crucial to your build.

And like you said, there is no place to pivot. And now you are hoping that these wide receiver threes and fours make it that Evan Ingram continues to carry his unbelievable target rate in that offense. Guys like Jacoby Mid Myers, who went above ADP, can really blossom finally into maybe even being a wide receiver too. And Tyler Lockett at his age continuing. and Hopkins not falling off of a cliff, you've just backed yourself into a build that even if you

halfway through the year or if you don't trade into these players this year, like if you don't trade McCaffrey Hill, Rashad White for sure, in this season, you have to be under the understanding that you're either trading them for a penny on a dollar or they die on your roster. And it's really hard to rebuild from this out of the gate.

So I have no doubt, in your managerial ability this is just my least favorite methodology of building because you can build for the future and still compete which I will talk about with my build

when we get there so those are the two least favorite let's talk about our favorites favorite non-us builds I should say and why for me it's for me it's Axebacera I was going to say a few others but

they're technically company men. Richardson, ETSN, Henry, Pittman, London, Tankdale. You've got a mix of good young guys, old guys, you can score. You've got some picks that are values as far as running backs go. It doesn't stand out as like, oh my God, this is going to win right now or it's going to win in the future. It just has lots of flexibility on it. And you've got a few rookie picks in there too, which you could always hit on.

I'm a fan of that. Haven't lost much in the way of what I call like the cadence of the draft. So you've got three on the bench plus four, is a kicker. So, you know, you're one behind the pace as far as picks go and you're yet to pick in this round. So you're still on track as far as cadence goes in the draft. You've got a nice mix of everything. It could absolutely fall to shit or it could be completely brilliant. I like a draft like that because it gives you, it gives you hope, it gives you backup plans. It just is a nice spot to sit, especially if you like the guys where you got them. We said before Richardson

may have been a force pick. He can absolutely boom and be, you know, a top five pick next year. So I understand upside. There's also floor. So that's what I like. It's just, it's not really a huge standout, but it's just one I'm thinking, you know what,

this has got a fair bit of option, an opportunity to it. I quite like that build. This definitely feels like a tweener draft to me. Yeah. Because it's a mix of vets and hopeful wide receiver ones with running backs that could absolutely fall off the table.

ETN could fall off the table. He'll be a second contract back in no time. And then you have Henry Echler and Ford. some plotters and hopefuls at the bottom, which I think is fine to stack your bench with as long as you have the core set. The pick is a good spot for that in between where the players got taken.

I think you could have waited and not have jumped in on George Kittle, who again, there's just a balance of, this is actually one of my least favorite from Bekara, who I have seen absolutely dominate drafts. I feel like this is just how the draft fell this one. but this is not my favorite kind of build

so I'll say not my favorite but I think that this is a team that could either finish fourth or a team that could finish eighth and no one would be surprised but that doesn't mean you can't make moves after I'll say my favorite draft is Drogo if we can't use our own Drogo's draft to me

I mean I talked about it to start with the the wide receivers just to me automatically win. And then you've got pick 107 and 110. 107's in that top 8 sweet spot. You stack yourself up. You did the same thing I did with quarterback with golf. I like that.

You got Stafford as a QB2 a little early in my opinion, but I have no problem with that with who went off the board. And then Aaron Jones, Goddard, Schultz, and then you took a shot with Keaton Mitchell. This is just a really solid. You have a ton of different options. Can compete. those three wide receivers can carry you.

I love this draft. Love this draft. I mean, Spears in there as well for a minimal move up. Yeah. I mean, Pollard with Camara, they could end up being exactly the same this year. Spears could absolutely break out.

I love this draft. This set up. Wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, draft pick, quarterback, draft pick, smart running back,

QB2. It just, this is a very nice draft. I really, I really like this from the one. 12. Yeah, I like it as well. I think so I think it went a little heavy on some of like the dusty the dusty running backs, but I do think it's a good structure build. I think when we get to player takes and stuff, like we're not here to give you a bunch of player takes and all that. Like,

I'm a structure guy. Like I like, I like structure drafts. Like I think you could win with structure, right? We're not here to get every single player take right or have a bunch of player takes. You can win just by drafting structurally well. And I like the 103 team, Maddie. I think he did really well. I think his structure is really good. Don't necessarily agree with some of the players, right, like, with the pick-ins at the six-three, but I think, like, I think it was right to take a receiver there. I think, like, the build is structurally great. It has two, two, it's bookend with two great quarterbacks, one super stud quarterback, a hero running back, a hero receiver. And then I just think it's structurally, it's structurally well,

and you could go far with that team just based on the structure. You're not like, There's not like a bunch of receivers. It's not like as a bunch of running backs. It's not like as is prone to injury. It's a good structurally built team. Just different, just a couple of player take differences. But I think that's probably like my favorite just,

just build, I think, not necessarily going into some of the player takes. But I like that. And I also like the triple wider receiver team at the 112 as well. No, yeah, it's another really good draft.

Same thing. Player takes are what they are. They can be subjective. So I think you're right. Let's talk company men. The best company men. draft right now. And just remember I push all the

freaking buttons. I was going to say, how bias can you be? Let me put you this way. Are you happy with your own draft? Because I'm happy with my draft. I think there's a bit of, there's a bit of work to be done once we get near the season, because a few of these guys may be worth absolutely nothing

once the NFL drafts done. But I'm hoping that I've left myself enough wiggle room to trade into a competing spot with an eye in the future. It would be how I'd summarize mine. Yeah, I adore. my draft. From step by step, this feels like a perfectly executed plan. I did not take a single draft pick and no part of that bothers me. So to have a draft like that where I wasn't feeling pressed that, oh man, I really should get into this. I didn't move until the Sam Howell pick,

which is a purely hoping if he gets traded to another team and gets to start, sweet, QB4 with maybe a little something, something in the 14th round. I don't feel like I took any. risks I didn't have to every single one of these players are no risk Leporto hall Jefferson no risk Tua no risk this year Rishi Rice no risk sophomore going into a sophomore year wide receiver we love it Dibo we know what Dibo's going to be 28 year old 13 to 18 points in any given week sometimes 30 love that for my third wide receiver Mike Evans not a player I ever pick he's probably my most concerning player but you stole Adams from me the morning my article got released so thanks for that you're a dick

Gino Smith as I wrote about man of my word took him in the ninth happy with that very surprised Rogers came all the way back so that's a pick that kind of fell into my lap I'd rather have Rogers than remandre and then it was it was just the running backs I took my favorite running backs late and now I'm stacking up with some wide receivers like Douglas for as my wide receiver five all potential Got a right mix of veterans. I feel like this team is a top three out the gate, which is not like me.

I'm usually very much a productive struggle trade down no matter what type guy. But this is a plan executed. There are a couple different decisions that I would have liked to have made. But yeah, my draft to me is exactly what I wanted to execute. Yeah, I like your team. I don't like some of the players on the team. Oh. Don't even come at me about Chase Brown right now.

Like I'll, we'll be here for another hour. I think the team is cool. It's not, it's not a build. I would, like I wouldn't build a team like that. And that doesn't mean it's, you know, that doesn't mean it's bad. Because I would probably just get a little too scared to build a team like that with, with the quarterbacks.

But I think you got like a great, a great, it felt to FL to you perfectly. Like that major. Yeah. To me, I think if Tua doesn't fall, I think it's a little scary because then you have to like force a dog there. So I think It may get it's draft I think it did I'm not like shit out of it

I agree It was a crucial pick Yeah I think it did Because then that's where you're getting Like that's where you have to force I hate what the teams that do what you did And they have to force the middle QB picks Right where they're taking like cousins

And well when cousins used to be like a six round pick Like going golf cousins or Daniel Jones cousins I hate those type of builds And I think you're on your way to that But you didn't And I think the build turned out perfectly like that I was sweating. Yeah.

So I think, so it's like me personally, I would have, like I would have drafted Jordan Love in the third round. And I would have pushed the bill. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't have pushed it further. That's just how I would have built it because I would have got like a little, a little nervous. And I obviously like we disagree, not disagree, but I think Jordan Love is a little more valuable like than what he went in there. So I probably would have been a little piss when Tua made it back to the fourth. So it's kind of like a hindsight thing. I think, you know, waiting as long as you did definitely did pay.

off, but it was very close. It was very close to not paying off. But I would say, I would say I do like Ryan's team, Ryan Heath's team. I think he's a great team, bookend by two quarterbacks, has two great receivers. Got a little lucky, like the board kind of fell to him perfectly. He definitely executed it on his picks, but it just fell to him perfectly, getting Waddle, you know, getting Garrett Wilson falling a little pass where he usually goes. And then I think the running backs he got at the end. I don't know if necessarily should have drafted the three of them, but I think to start off not picking a running back

in seven rounds and still end up with Jacobs, Swift, and Najee Harris, I think that's really good. All the three of those guys project to at least be like high volume guys next year. They're all, not all three. Two of them are free agents. So we'll see seems like Swift probably going to just end that back on some small deal in Philly and then

we'll see what happens with Jacobs. But yeah, I like that build as well. Can, now can I just worst pick of the draft? Before we get out of here. I broke the rule. We're at a hundred, we're not an hour and a half.

So we broke the rule already. So I just want to go, worst pick of the draft. Good. It's my pick. It's my pick. Yeah. Go ahead.

I think the worst pick in this entire draft is Jameson Williams at 712. Oh. Damn it. Yeah. It just, look, I understand people love them some JMO. JMO wide receiver 2 on your team scares the ever,

living crap out of me and he shouldn't be a single digit startup pick. We know what he is. You might get five touches in a game and that's like a breakout. I just, I can't with the guy. He's a two year flop. Say what you want about the rookie year.

He flopped this year, period. A couple endar rounds and, you know, drag routes that he takes. He's super fast. But he's just so replaceable in his fantasy production. I've let go a long time ago. I don't think you should be drafted in the top 10 rounds.

So that to me is, I mean, Pickens at 6.3 is real close. Real close. But 712, JMO for me is no Bueno. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. I think that where he picked James and Williams, I agree it's terrible.

But that round of players was so tough to drafting. Like, that was such an ugly round. Those players all dropped off. It was a terrible round. There's not a lot of, like, there's no value fell pretty much, like, after that. After those little, like, middle round runbacks in the seventh, nothing fell. But I would agree. I think the Pickens pick is probably the worst pick just because I just don't think he's a great player.

I think he's really, really good at one thing. And he's, he does one thing well. And he's really good at it. We'll see what happens with the quarterback. He's not necessarily like a high target earning player. And he's also a player that has a weird vibe with him, with how the team likes him. We've never seen a player be productive like he has.

I mean, he's been a productive pick for them through two seasons. And we never seen a productive player like that possibly get traded before their third season because of, you know, whatever he has going on with Tomlin, the rest of the team. So I don't really like his future the way I don't think it predicts really well. And we were drafting him at what we were drafting at him last year going into his second season and he didn't do any better and now we're drafting at the same spot. I don't think that makes sense. Yeah, you could have drafted Christian Kirk there and have been like, all right, I'm good.

Yeah, he should have fell closer to Christian Watson, like a guy who failed in the second year. But yeah, I agree with you guys. Anything you got to me? For me, it's probably the 104 going at 3-5 just because of how the trade-up worked. Like you said, if you're going to go in, at least you did it. It's just for me the value of you could have picked Jordan Love and doing the same thing. And I think it's just a more valuable piece. the other part is Jaden Reed at 610 is we mentioned it last week,

probably before last. I'm just not a fan of Jaden Reed in that round. Set yourself up better beforehand. You don't have to take him. And I got Devonte Adams to pick after. So for me, that stands out of, it's the best pick because it led me to Devonte Adams, but I think process-wise, it's like, man,

it just feels like you stuck pigeonholed, picking stuff up. You know, pick Travis Kelston, trade him away. something else and trade them away for me, just more value at that spot. Yep. I agree. I agree. A lot of interesting things in this draft. I'll say that this board, I have sent this board

to Brett Whitefield. I've sent this board to Scott Barrett. I have sent this board to to Tray, Camberling. I've sent this trade to Paul Patterson, who we've had on the show. All of them have said the same thing. What a weird board.

This has been a truly unique draft and a lot of fun. I cannot wait to see what happens with everyone else. Let's get some final thoughts and get out of here for another hour and 40 minute long podcast. We knew it was coming. If we would have just done the draft, we would have been fine. But we owed it to the people.

This is. Yeah. We owed it to the listeners to get the roster cloggers in there. Yeah. Well, we didn't get a fun fact at the start. So I'll save that for next time. But I want to reintroduce. I mean, this is a new audience for me in particular.

One of our favorite Aussie vernacular words is the Speedo. The summertime beats worn Y-front-shaped piece of attire. We have many words in Australia for this piece of clothing. Speedo definitely still works. If you're not sure where to pick one up, you can say Speedo. Our personal favorite is budgie smuggler. Butgy smuggler, dick togs, dick stickers, banana hammocks. You pick and choose what you want to do over here.

But yeah, the budgie smuggler reigns supreme as far as the, the Aussie vernacular. So that'll be making, it's well-returned comeback this year. But in the meantime, as you guys head into spring, pick yourself up instead of budgie smugglers. Can't do yourself anymore. I tried for three years to get budgie smugglers to respond to an email. And I fully plan to use everything in my power with the fantasy points brand and following to reach out to them again. to sponsor this show so we can get

Tom Lee, his custom fantasy points budgie smuggler for the show thumbnail. I'm trying my hardest. I'm going to start it up again. I cannot wait for this year's budgie smuggler of the week. You guys are going to love it.

Andy, final thought? My final thought. Did you say dick stick? Dick stickers is crazy. That's my time. Dick stickers. You're details. You dig stickers. Yeah, that's crazy. That's my last thought.

I love this show, man. What I like about this program for my final thought is that it's different from the Tuesday night show. And now that it's the time of year where you can get multiple sets of dynasty content from fantasy points, it's important to let us know what you are missing and what you need. And between the two shows, we can get that covered. Obviously, the Tuesday Night Dynasty Point is going to have a ton of rookie content. That is where you're going to get the bulk. of your scouting combine.

That is where you're going to get your rookie draft setups. Market report will still remain just that. We are going to break down trades, drafts, startup, theory throughout the offseason, maybe into the season, and we're not sure yet, but we love this show. We love the feedback. You guys have all been great. It's been more than worth it. We love you all.

Hopefully you got something out of that draft talk. We promise you guys we would get some content. tent out of it. So we did that. Much love to you. Remember, it's not personal. Okay? That's very important. We always talk about how it's important to remember that there are other people on the side of the phones. We are

fully aware of that. We love all y'all. We can't wait for you guys to prove us wrong at the end of the day. And I can't wait for my team to finish last unironically. That's just what's going to happen. So for myself, for Tom Lee, for Andy, thank you for tuning in.

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