Fantasy Football Daily - School of Scott | FFPC High-Stakes Player Values with Abib Agbetoba

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

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Ladies and gentlemen, the School of Scott. This is an interview episode where my guest today is one of the best redraft starts at high stakes, fantasy football players of all time. He had the impressive feat of winning the football guys players championship two years in a row, $500,000 grand prize each of those two seasons. I think I worked through the odds at one point, like 75 total teams across those two seasons combined. And you're competing against what, like 20,000 teams each year. And the odds of assuming no skill, someone to do that back-to-back years is like one in 800,000. So clearly, statistically improbable, unless you're one of the best of all time. But without further ado, Abib Agbatoba.

So happy to have you back on the show. What's going on of you? Man, thanks for having me. That intro is something. Yeah, man, it's good to be back on. Always love chopping it up with you. Just had a chance to go through your article early this morning. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to diving into that.

I think we're kind of on the same page with a lot of players. So, yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to this. Well, I love to hear that. One of the best of all times agrees with a lot of my takes. I like that. Also, I'd love to hear the disagreements as well. So you're primarily an FFPC player. That's where you get most of your volume down. How many teams do you think you're going to do this here, Abbe? You know, I keep telling myself, I need to cut back. You know, we spoke earlier. I'm like in the process of moving, you know, home, you know, to a new home. And I'm also in the process of

of moving part of my practice to a new clinic location. So there's a lot going on in the background, but I'm, you know, sometimes you just got to be honest with yourself. And I'm an addict. I have dived a little bit into best ball this year, just a little bit. And so I think at some point I'll probably make that transition. I feel like that's retirement for redraft players is the best ball streets. And then also it started Dynasty a couple of years ago and really sort of kind of,

liking that aspect of the fantasy space in the fantasy game. And it also helps when you kind of, you know, are able to be a little bit successful in that too as well. So, but this year to date, I think I've drafted about probably about a little over 40 of the in the fantasy pros. And I'll probably have anywhere from, let's say, 10 to 20. I know it's a kind of a wide range of main events. I've thought about kind of hopping over into the NFFC.

streets and some other high-stake leagues. But, you know, it's tough when you are managing that many teams and you have to go through multiple sites. It just makes it very, very difficult to keep track of. And unfortunately right now, I'm kind of doing all this solo. So I am taking offers for anyone who wants to share some of these teams, share, you know, some of the responsibilities of the ad drops, starts its redraft, you know, throughout the redraft season.

But yeah, I'll probably end up with about 60 to 70. teams, which is somewhat similar to what I had last year. Yeah, how hellish is waivers day for you, managing 70 teams by yourself? Oh, man, it is something fierce and something intense. I feel like, you know, it's a process. You know, I think it's not something I can just kind of sit down and say, okay, waivers run tonight at 9 p.m. Let me hop on the computer at 7 and get them all done. It almost never works that way, because I'm almost like never free. FFPC has sort of kind of upgraded their system now, which I think will make, you know, they kind of have the global ad drops. So that is use it to the ears of all, you know, high stakes players or people who, you know, draft multiple

teams. And so I've kind of played around with it a little bit. You know, still some things that, you know, where you're still having to put in quite a bit of work. But I think that at least ensures that you can cover, you know, kind of a global ad drop if you need to. But, you know, Yeah, it takes, it's a process. I usually go through it twice too as well because the first go around, you know, you have a set amount of news. You kind of have a set amount of opinions. And as the week progresses, you start to kind of refine your thought process, you know,

maybe a guy that you were initially high on, you find, you know, through research, you find out that maybe he's not the guy I want to spend 50% of my fab on. And then, you know, that couple of hours right before waivers is kind of really when I go in and solidify things. So it's a process and I would not wish it on my worst enemy. Yeah. Well, it's worked out well for you. It's pretty that the effort was worth it, clearly based on your returns. Yeah, so you're primarily an FFPC junkie.

That seems to be your favorite site to draft on. Yeah. It is for mine as well. And they're also a sponsor of Fantasy Points. So I want to give them a quick shout out. Use promo code points, P-O-I-N-T-S. You'll get a free $25 over at. at FFPC and the R sponsor, but even before the responseer,

I've been hyping them up as like my favorite site to draft on. I just love the format. It's one quarterback, two running back, two wide receiver, one tight end, two flex, tight end premium, which I love. So you can draft in the Fantasy Pros Players Championship. I think it's $350 to enter. If you want to do three teams, they give you a discount where it's only $300 for each team or the main event, which is more expensive.

But in either case, you're staring at a $1 million grand prize. Excuse me. If you win your 12-man league, get a really nice payout on that. I think it's, what, $1,200 for the Fantasy Pros Players' Championship. And then if you finish for, if you make it to the bonus rounds, I think only two from each league get there. And you finish first in scoring from what, weeks 14 through 17. you get a million dollars and you know if you finish in third place you get something else if you finish your 10th place you get something else so I just love that format I love daydreaming over the

potential to win a million dollars like a bib did and I like that there is a significant prize for finishing first of 12 teams and I don't think I've ever lost money on ffPC any year I've done this and I've been doing this back I don't know probably at least 10 years playing on ffpc so Although it is high stakes, I still think the competition's pretty soft, so long as you don't find a bebe in one of your drafts. But yeah, yeah. So highly recommend FFPC, and that's sort of what we're going to tailor today's show around, is ideal FFPC strategy.

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And like, obviously what jumps out to me in a league where one quarterback, two running back, two wide receiver, one tight end, two flex, one kicker, one defense is what? Quarterback only makes up one out of the 12 starting lineup requirements. Yeah. And it's tight end premium. So, you know, that goes a farther way. It makes sense to devalue quarterback, right, in this format. And that's really what I have seen on FFPC is the quarterbacks tend to go a lot later.

I've been in drafts where a pro, someone with like the badge next to their name, doesn't take a quarterback until the literal last pick of the draft. Will Levin's probably, not this year. I was a few years back, and I was like Joe Flacco, but yeah. Yeah, and so it makes sense to do that. And that's kind of what I've always done, or really just targeting my, you know, must draft late round quarterback. Justin Fields a few years ago, Anthony Richardson last year, this year for me, it's Jaden Daniels.

But if I missed out on him, I think it would make sense to punt. But I'm looking at quarterback ADP this year. Yeah. I think you and I agree on who the two clear top values are. But I'm also looking at all the way at the top. Josh Allen has an ADP of 46.2. Anthony Richardson 69.8. That's the cheap.

I mean, and Jalen Hertz is right there behind Josh Allen, but like this is the cheapest of any site you can get these players. And I wonder if they're upside and their high end production is getting underrated in this format where you're trying to finish first of 20,000 teams. you really want to dominate across those bonus round weeks. And I think I'm still stuck in my own ways of just grabbing the cheapest, cheapest value somewhere around the QB 9 to QB12 range. But like it's kind of hard to pass up in that ADP.

So what are you doing? What are your thoughts? Yeah, I think it's interesting to bring that up because literally when I first started drafting, which is, I mean, almost immediately after the Super Bowl, maybe like about a month or so after the Super Bowl before the real NFL, draft. That was one of the things that I noticed was that QBs were starting to be pushed down the board in this format. And at some point, I thought it was going to change. I thought the board was going to shift. But if anything, it's, you know, it's been stagnated. They've been pushed down a

little bit further. I think this year is very, very unique for a variety of different reasons. But we just kind of home in and focusing on the quarterback position. I think, you know, when people talk about this is my favorite quarterback target, this is my, we all have our favorites for sure. And I think we'll talk about our favorites as well. But I really do truly believe this is a very unique year where they're all values. You can go any which way you want when it comes to quarterback, when it comes to build. To piggyback off the FFPC format, you know, I love the format. I love the fact that you can start two flex.

I think that just offers you so much, you know, so much opportunity to build unique lineups, build different lineups, build your team how you want to build, not feel like your kind of constraint or feel like you have to kind of add in a wide receiver. And the fact that you don't have to start three wide receivers, I think is massive, especially when so many formats across the board, both in home leagues and baseball, force you to start three wide receivers. Because going from that mentality to a, you know, a format where the three wide receiver start is not needed, you know, I think is a difficult thing to adjust. So I kind of noticed that as people transition from best ball,

wide receivers start to move up the board a little bit because they're taking that value from that specific format. But kind of getting back to the quarterback situation, my favorite thing to do this year is to take the value. I think if I'm looking back at what I've done in the far majority of my drafts, it's been, for the most part, you know, be the last one to take a quarterback. And that's because that last person has always been Jaden Daniel. for me, you know. So I've just always been the last guy to take a quarterback, really having an

opportunity to fill out my skill positions, whether it's a Y receiver, running back, or obviously being in tight-in premium, you know, kind of really gunning for one of these higher end tight ends. Because for me, you know, in waiting, it's the, it's the cost opportunity. You know, if I take one of these early quarterbacks, yeah, they could potentially just, you know, really separate themselves from the rest of the pack. But I'm also limiting my chances of finding that, you know, fifth round wide receiver breakout who may potentially be a top end wide receiver one or that, you know, mid-round running back who could potentially, you know, breakout this year. So if I can get a guy like Jaden Daniels, who I'm super high on, I typically wait. But

that being said, being a volume drafter, I want to make sure I diversify, you know, because I don't know who's going to explode the last three weeks of the season, the money weeks, which 15 through 17. You don't know. You have no clue. Your guy could get hurt. your guy could, you know, sit the last game. Your guy could just have a tough matchup. Your guy could be in a blowout where he sits the fourth quarter. You don't know. You don't, you know, we can't predict that, you know, three, four months from now.

So I like to acquire shares of these guys. So what I'll do is I'll wait. I'll be in a draft. If I don't have path with my homes, I'll just wait until I'm in a draft where he falls past ADP and then I'll take him on occasion. And so because I think all of those guys are great values, even at their current ADPs, my preference is still to wait, but I'll take those guys when they fall past ADP to make sure that I have some shares. And my favorite amongst that top group, honestly, is Jalen Hertz.

I love the new OC change. I think, I think, you know, I understand that Barclays come over. I understand that the Tush push may not be there. But even if I account for the Tush push, the increased pace of play, the more creative offense where the wide receivers aren't just having to win on their own. and the added rushing ability, I really feel like he could just have his best year ever, where he could throw 30 plus TDs. He could still rush for 7 plus TDs.

He could still rush for 6 to 700 yards and could, you know, throw for over 3,800 yards. You know, I just feel like this is a season that's set up because no one at division, you know, has seen, you know, this offense with these players. So even though people are familiar with Kellyn Moore, this is still a new offense with new players. And so it's that first year that I always want to, you know, latch on to.

Because once, you know, teams get taped and they kind of get used to see what, seeing what you're doing, you know, maybe you're not catching a league by surprise as easily. So I think this is a year where I love all of the Philadelphia Eagles players, but, you know, especially Jaylen Hertz. Yeah, I've struggled with this one. Our projections are over at Fantasy Points. Chris Wecht actually has Hertz projected for more fans. fantasy points per game than Josh Allen. He is an Eagles fan. So I'm worried about the

Homerism, but he promises to me that's not the case. But yeah, Josh Allen's finished as the fantasy QB won by points per game in three straight years. He had like three more than the next closest quarterback last year for all the reasons you outline with with Jalen Hertz. I also have like Anthony Richardson just shy of that tier. He's going maybe two rounds later. I will say if you do want to go an early quarterback approach is like best to do this right now we're recording august 14th because the later into august the more the fish come out to swim and you'll see people drafting a josh allen round two after like all the drafts you've done that's never happened but still to me uh i just can't pass up my guy jaden daniels if you're only doing one draft that would be my strategy joe burrow also pops to me

at value ADP 96.8, QB8, over his last 25 healthy, full games. He averages like 25.2 fantasy points per game. Only Josh Allen averages more. So I think he's being slept on deck Prescott. He's fine, but like kind of only if I, if I miss out on Jade and Daniels, someone sniffs me on Jade and Daniels. That's probably my approach. And like one of the key reasons why late round quarterback works so well is you find these gems off waivers that you're not going to find at the wide receiver position typically like last year we got CJ shroud off waivers in our league even Joe Flacco if you added him he was a top three fantasy quarterback from his first I'm browning I know I know so never underestimate the floor and the ceiling that the quarterback

position provides off of waivers. So I do think that's the right approach. We're going to shift over to the running back position. But before we did, you said you think this season is incredibly unique. This is a very unique year. So I'd just like to hear you expand on that more. And also like your thoughts on if you thought last year was a unique year. Because to me, it was one of the most outlierish years. remember as a fantasy player in terms of the waiver wire swimming leagues it felt like last year more than any other year your draft just didn't really matter it was a function of a number of injuries it was you know hookah and kairn off waivers week one and then a bunch of other like valuable mid to high end producers you could find off waivers in the middle to late rounds of the season so

yeah that's my thoughts what are your thoughts on this as a unique year Yeah, and I 100% agree with you like last year. Last year was absolutely a waiver year. Add Tray McBride to that. I mean, there were tons of players that you could just got that really helped you out. Yeah, I think this is sort of kind of like, honestly, a byproduct of the league itself, like real NFL football and kind of how the league is transitioned, you know, passing more, less rushing, running backs being devalued both by teams, you know, during games.

18-week season. 18 league season. So, you know, more committees more. Exactly, exactly. But it's committees everywhere. You know, outside of the quarterback position, it's committees everywhere. I mean, every, every position you turn to, you can find multiple, you know, so to me. We talked about Green Bay, having a five wide receiver committee.

What? It really is. Yeah. It really is. So for me, it's unique because it's really, this is the, this is the, a year and let me backtrack previously what i've done and this is why i felt like in the past fantasy is kind of easy i just target consistency i target volume who's going to consistently get volume and then the only thing that's tripping me up is if someone gets hurt that's literally all i did i

didn't really feel like i was necessarily doing anything special i looked at a team i said okay this guy's going to get a lot of volume you know he's he's going at a value you know based on his adp let me target this guy Now it's very, very hard to predict volume in so many different situations, especially when it comes to the wide receivers. So, yes, we had that first round where, you know, presumably like a lot of the stud running backs and some of the stud wide receivers, you can pencil them in for 250 plus carries or 275 plus touches. The wide receivers, you can pencil in for 120 and 130 plus targets easily, and that may be

low on the end. But then once you get past that, there's just so many ambiguous things. situations when it comes to the running backs, when it comes to the wide receiver room. And in a redraft setting, I, like something that I don't think gets talked about a lot is the end of the year stats don't mean much. If you, if you tell me that, okay, like, you know, this guy ranked as the top 16 wide receiver, but you didn't play him on any of the weeks where he was a wide receiver two or one, then what did you gain from that? And if you played them on their weeks where he gave you zeros or gave you one, you know, single digit points,

That actually hurt you in the long run. So I really like drafting players in a redraft format where I feel confident, you know, in that I can start them and accrue those points. A-Chane was a tough guy last year, and I was a huge A-chain fan last year. So I remember the first, you know, his first game back where we knew he was getting playing. I threw him in about half of lineups just because I was so excited, but I was scared to throw him in another half, you know, of lineups. And of course, he just went off.

But that was a very unpredictable outcome, his first game, you know, really seeing significant snaps, significant touches. Not many people had him for that 50-point game. Exactly, exactly. But the wide receiver position is even tougher. I mean, you mentioned a Green Bay game. Like, are you really going to feel confident starting Jeline Reed, you know, weekend and week out? Christian Watson, weekend and weekend and week out. Romeo Doves, weekend and week out.

Wicks, weekend and week out. So those situations are tough. But because it seems to be not just isolated necessarily the one team, there's definitely those teams that have narrow target trees. And the ADPs depict that, you know, it's built into their price. You know, you look at the Philadelphia Eagles, Hertz and Smith go in the top three, top four rounds. You look at the Miami Dolphins, Waterland Hill, go in the top three rounds.

So that's built in. But there are a lot of teams where that's not at play. And I don't necessarily want to miss out on that. You can only have, you know, so many of those guys on your team. team. You know, so you, this is a year where I've just had to kind of humble myself and really take in the idea and really come, become comfortable with the idea of diversifying from a standpoint of I will draft Octavian Wicks. I will draft Christian Watson. They will sit on the bench and I will just see how the season plays out. And then I'm going to turn to, I'm going to turn

to, you know, the data suite with fantasy points. And I'm going to see who who plays better, you know, in zone matchups, you know, who plays better, you know, in man-to-man coverages. You know, what wide receiver plays better in which coverage and, you know, what defense are they going up against? And I'll use that to decide and try and win weeks. Same thing with the running backs, you know, running back by committee. I'll use Vegas point spreads. You know, I'm going to, you're going to have to use quite a bit to try, you know, to, you know, accurately know when to start some of these players. And so. Treat it like DFS almost. Exactly. Exactly. And that's what I started doing towards, I probably say the back end of last year. And it's something that I think really,

really helped. So to me, that's, you know, being comfortable with the idea that there are a lot of ambiguous situations, not just, you know, with the RBCs, but in a lot of these wide receiver rooms. I mean, even with the bears. I mean, I think things are probably, you know, maybe clearing up, you know, I don't necessarily trust preseason snap percentage, but you look at the bears and we say, okay, Keenan Allen and, you know, DJ Moore stayed on the field for, you know, the majority of the snaps, 100% of the snaps. So, you know, we could assume that they're always going to be on the field. But I don't necessarily know that. I mean, that was one preseason game. And even if it's through three or four preseason games, a lot of us are high, you know, or believe in Romo

Dense is just like great talent, you know, what if like sort of kind of halfway through the season, we see that, you know, his playing time starts to increase. So if I'm projecting for the first half of the year that he's only seeing 50% of the snap share and that he's only going to see a handful of targets a game, why would I draft a player like that in the eighth or ninth round? But I have to kind of understand that the season changes, even if I don't account for injuries, I just account for a player progressing. And, you know, I account for maybe the head coach saying, you know what, this team operates better out of three wide receiver sets.

So we're going to go to playing three wide receiver sets, the majority of snaps. And now he's on the field, the majority of the play, you know, of the game. And now his snap count increases, his target percentage increases, you know, that rapport that maybe he had, you know, coming into the season, you know, with Caleb Williams. Now we actually get to see that on the field because, so all these different things that, you know, sometimes the metrics can't pick up. I think I just, this year more than ever, I'm like looking at how talented is the player? Is he in a, you know, potentially high powered offense? If so, understanding that I may not be able to predict it, let me just make sure I have some share so that at some point, you know,

when he's in a good matchup or when another guy goes down, I can put him in my starting lineup. I like that. I think that's smart. We're going to take another quick break and then we're going to get back to ideal FFPC running back wide receiver tight end strategy. So at the running back position, like you said, this format, you start two running backs, two wide receivers, two flex, tight end, tight end premium. So this is a league where you're going to devalue wide receiver more than most. You know, It's not start three. And you could have tight ends in that flex. You could have running backs in that flex.

I've been saying in like 90% of leagues, the ideal start is you take the big three running backs top three overall. That's just personally what I'm doing, Christian McCaffrey, then Breeze Hall, then Bejohn, in that order. I get it. It's scary if you want to gravitate more towards the floor plus ceiling that a CD land provides rather than maybe the perceived risk. It's just to me that, you know, like zero RB proponents or like the running back landscape has shifted in favor of wide receivers.

That's true in the aggregate. There's the rise of committee backfields. There's a decline in available running back talent. The last few running back classes have certainly underwhelmed relative to wide receivers. There's a scarcity of Belkow running backs, running backs with league breaking upside. I think all that's true. It just further enhances the value of the. these top three running back. So that's personally what I'm doing. That's personally what I would

recommend on FFPC. Would you disagree with that, Abbe, what are you doing? I'm kind of mixing it in, but I'd lean more if I got, if I'm in the top half of the draft, let me grab a Brees, Jean, let me grab even a CMC. I think in my rankings right now, I have Bijon, Brees, and CMC. And the only reason I have CMC third, you know, if I'm doing it based on points per a game, CMC is number one. But if I'm just, you know, to me, I can't predict injuries. And I never like to do that. I never like to even account for injuries in my ranking.

But I just cannot get out of the fact or can't get the fact out of my mind how much work he saw last year, not just in the regular season, but also in the playoffs. And I just, you know, the idea of just like these young backs, you know, Bijan with the new O.C, you know, this Sean McVeigh or, you know, Kyle Shanahan type system and all the talks of, you know, how excited they are to get him involved in the past game. And we just know that he's a stud. And the same thing with Brees. I mean, Brees is someone who I was not high on coming out of college. I wasn't low on him, but I just didn't see what everyone else was seeing. And last year, I realized just how good he was. And so those guys really, really stand out to me. Last year,

I was all about grabbing the wide receivers and really just fading running backs in the first round altogether. This year, I am definitely in the camp of let me get those guys because I also like some of the wide receivers going at the back end. And I feel like the wide receivers going at the back end could easily finish as the wide receiver is going at the front end. A fun exercise, this is something that's very simple, is to try and put your mind, you know, you revert your mind back to one year previously. No one was talking about C.D. Lamb is this great talent. And nothing has changed with this situation. The only thing that we have is one year now seeing him in that situation. And yes, he balled out. He did great. You know, deserves his current ADP. But that same type of ascension can happen with a number of those wide receivers. It can happen with Amon Ra. He scores a few more touchdowns. I mean, he doesn't really have much of, of you know, much in the way of competition in the receiving, you know, in the receiving core. And they're going to play a lot of dome games, a lot of dome games, or turf games.

You know, so AJ Brown, high on him, you know, even with Devante Smith there, high, you know, higher pace offense. He's one of those wide receivers that could, you know, score 18 plus TDs. You know, you never know. Gary Wilson, I think everybody's aware of obviously Aaron Rogers being back. Garrett Wilson being a target hog. If we can somehow get efficiency with that, he could, finish as a top one or two.

So those, I see guys at the back end of the first half who could potentially finish his top three wide receivers. I do not see the running backs going at the back end who could finish as the top three assuming everyone stays healthy. So those guys I definitely want to get. And then it also kind of comes down to like, do you have some comfort level in some of the second round wide receivers, the third round wide receivers is potentially making, again, that ascension to at least at the very least finishing is a top 12 wide receiver.

And I personally do. And I do have that with some of the running backs, but I also feel like there are running backs that are going fifth, sixth, seventh round who on a point per game basis can give you a top 12 finish on a week-to-week basis. So like you said, I think there's scarcity at that high, that top tier of running back. But then after that, I'm really hammering wide receivers. Yeah. So I'm totally with you. I also see a ton of value in the middle to late rounds. When I interviewed you two years ago, or maybe three years ago, you said you were going, there's almost never a draft, let's say, where you never, where you didn't have two running backs by the end of round four.

But I think maybe last year when we talked to you were much more inclined to punting RB2. Where do you stand right now? Oh, absolutely. I mean, and again, FFPC allows you to build your draft anyway, you know, any way you feel like. For me, if I'm projecting out, you know, the running backs in terms of like where they're finishing. And I'm really like projecting out, okay, where's this guy going to finish points for a game? That's more important to me than like total points. But points for a game, you know, compared to some of these other guys, I don't see an advantage.

And I don't see, you know, I don't think it's worth taking the risk to just load up on running backs. I don't mind occasionally doing that, you know, just to sort of, you know, kind of diversify the build. So, you know, if I start off with Bejohn and, you know, Kai. is there in a second, you know, maybe occasionally I'll do that. But if Kyran falls to the third, that's when I'll have two RBs in the first, you know, you know, three rounds, unless I go, you know, so I do want to kind of mix it in. Because otherwise, if I do that, then I'm never going to get Kyran. I'm never going to have any A chain chairs, things like that. But there are just so many running backs that are going later that I think whose ADPs are depressed because we don't know what's

going on. We're in a format like FFPC, where you're going up against 10,000, 20,000 other contestants, you got to take some shots, you got to take some chances. So, you know, we were doing that with Chase Brown early on and still really doing it with him. I still, you know, his ADP is sort of kind of, you know, and if you're a Zach Moss truth, you can do it with Zach Moss too as well. Javante Williams, you know, I don't know what's going on with the Broncos, but, you know, he goes so late that I'm going to take a chance. If you're a believer in the Pittsburgh, you know, run game, you know, with the new O.C and, you know, the kind of, I would say, I say the maturation of their O line, you know, you would assume they're a little bit more

approved. They were pretty good last year. Then you may want to take a shot at Naji or Jalen Warren. So I think for me, if I definitely if I start off with a running back, I want to hammer wide receivers, especially because I need to find, I need to somehow increase my odds of landing a number one wide receiver. And ideally I'd like to have too. And running back is very, very deep this year just because of the RBBC. So depending on the build, for the most part, I think based on the majority of my teams, I'm usually, if I go running back to start. It's usually I'm hitting wide receivers pretty heavy. Grabbing tight ends and my RB2 is probably not coming until, you know, somewhere around the

seventh round. Yeah, I think that's right. Also, shout out to Giovante. There's like some slight Josh Jacobs, 22 vibes I'm getting with Giovante Williams. I don't know that I wrote him up in my draft guide as an FFPC target, but some of the ones who definitely stood out to me, my guy, Jonathan Brooks, RB28 ADP, Kenneth Walker. RB17 ADP, that's really bad. Aaron Jones, a little bit RB20. Nick Chubb, RB37, I like that a lot in this format. You know, the upside, he can provide the deep bench where you can kind of weather that

storm in the early portion of the year. You mentioned Chase Brown for sure, really like him. I would say in this with Tage Spears going about a full rounder more later, I think I like Spears a little bit more, but I'd say both are. targets. So those are some of the running back targets for me. But yeah, and like an ideal start, I'm getting a big three, top three running back round one. And then I'm waiting all the way until, you know, maybe that Kenneth Walker range. And if I miss out on him, I'm fine with Jonathan Brooks as my RB2, pair him up with a Chuba Hubbard or like, I don't know, like a high floor

Devon Singletary or anything like that. Yeah. And those guys are going free. It's almost like the fantasy community is allowing you to go hero rb or even zero rb and allowing you to draft guys like jonathan brooks who may not play for the first three to four weeks may not see significant workload until week six but if i you can grab chuba hubbard in like double digit rounds who cares like you know like you just you slot that player in the idea is you know you you're weathering the storms you're accruing points but like you are building a monster so that when tournament comes around you have that hammer. And if you're aware of that, you can construct a team and have a Jonathan Brooks where you were able to weather the storm, you're probably, you're probably going to be

look, you know, there's probably going to be fewer Jonathan Brook teams that make the tournament than, you know, other running backs that are going in that range just because, you know, people are, you know, the draft capital that you spend on it, but you like that, you know, you want that. So 100% agree. And the wide receivers that are just going in the mid range and the board's tightening up. But I just, there are so many wide receivers that I love this year. you can't have them all. So I'm just, you know, each draft is just like, okay, I'm going to take him this time. I'm going to take him this time.

I'm going to take him this time. And I'm just trying to come up with as many combinations as possible. I just love so many of those wide receivers going in that round two to six, used to be seven and eight range. So that to me is grab as many of those wide receivers as possible. I don't know who's going to pop, you know, I'm going to humble myself and, you know, not assume that, you know, this is going to be the Chris Godwin year where you know or this is going to be the dionte year for sure I'm just going to grab as many as I can't you know I think it is the Deontay year I agree too I'm really good about Godwin yeah but yeah let's so let's move on to

the wide receiver position what's your ideal FFPC strategy I think you just kind of laid it out as like I'm seeing a ton of value a ton of great picks and so I I want to hammer a bunch of these wide receivers. They're super sexy to me. And yeah, a deal format for me. Like I said, big three running back. And then I don't know, I could go wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver even. But what about you? What are your thoughts? Yeah, yeah. And you got to, you almost have to like as you're, you know, taking your first and maybe even second pick, what I do is I kind of fill my tier with or fill my cue with that tier of wide receivers. And usually that tier ends, you know, we're basing it on ADP with, you know, Deonté Johnson and Calvin Ridley.

And then once that kind of tier ends, then that's like, okay, like what's the next running back best available? And usually it's somebody like James Connor or, I mean, I'm actually in on DeAndre Swift. Usually it's those guys. But I know. Yeah, I wouldn't say big on DeAndre Swift. But yeah, but I am kind of in on DeAndre Swift this year. But yeah, usually I'm just feeling, I'm just trying to get as many. I mean, from the Christian Kirk's of the world, I don't care about a snap percentage.

You know what happened. Same thing last year. I did Christian Kirk's of the world. I mean, even I'm never been a T. Higgins truther, but I'm in on Joe Burrow for sure. And T. Higgins is pissed off this year. So, you know, I would put a bad. You really got to throw out last year. Yeah.

Due to injuries, his injuries, Joe Burrers injury. And what are you left with the guy who's finished? low end wide receiver one high end wide receiver two every year so i'm with you on ahead yeah i mean but i mean there's just there's i'm hard pressed to find a wide receiver in that range that i'm not okay with like the only guys that i'm probably not drafting are brandon i yuk um even before the trade talks i just you know i just didn't see the allure and taking them in the second round because or you which is where he was going my thought process in terms of taking those wide receivers in that range is not like, oh, this guy's going to be a solid wide receiver too. He's going to give me

some consistent production. I want the consistent production. But what I'm going for in that round is, okay, this guy can break into the top 12 wide receiver range. And if I have a hard time seeing that, then I'm usually fading those guys or having a very, very low percentage. And so I can talk myself into a number of guys. Even a Terry McCorn, you know, Jaden Daniels, I can talk myself into a little bit as far as this sort of kind of actually bring the breakout year for Terry McClearn and him finishing the top 12 wide receiver. He's lower on the list, but still, there's just so many wide receivers that I can, you know, that I can see really paying off their ADP. But not everyone's going to do it. So, you know, I really want to try and get as many of them as possible.

It's so weird to me that wide receiver position this year. I just keep seeing all these guys where you have one guy going really early, one guy going really later. And I just keep wanting to just pinch them closer to get you know like like puka and cup pinch them mike evans and godwin marvin harrison junior malick neighbors although maybe not an ffpc's skyrocketing michael pitman and josh downs maybe even your boy a j brown and devanta smith you put devontas smith full-time slot wash out um but yeah we'll talk we'll circle back on this and talk about this a little bit later um we got to talk about the tight end ideal positional strategy on ffpc uh a tight end uh a tight end pre format, so important, so crucial, get this right.

And my thoughts on the position, Abib, is I think, I think we overrate tight ends in tight end premium format. So we certainly do this with certain archetypes of tight ends where it's like a Rob Grunkowski is like pushed way too high up, because he's not a reception guy. He's a touchdown score. And you see that over and over again. But it's just personally, I've had peak prime Kelsey throw him out. We're not taught you take it.

You know, take prime Kelsey 101. That's great. But throw him out. And I think we overrate tight ends. And I've just had so much success on FFPC, full on punting the position or at least waiting a lot longer than most anyone else. And this kind of tethers back into the quarterback thing where it's like you can find these late round league winners or these misprudely.

priced cheap tight ends. Like you said, Trey McBride last year. I had a lot of Ertz plus McBride on my FFPC teams last year. Sam Laporta was another. You see this every year, though. It's, you know, the surprise breakout, basically UDFA guy finishes top five at the position.

So what are your thoughts on hunting tight end in the tight end premium format with I guess the caveat being that this looks like a unique year for the tight end position where it looks maybe you don't have you don't have a prime Kelsey what I call an oligarch tight end but you do have a deep seven to 10 tight ends that feels so much deeper than in past years yeah no I'm glad I'm glad you I'm glad you brought up the unique year because I was just like I pretty much have lived on just like fading early around tight end because I just I've always just felt comfortable, you know, especially like, you know, shout out to my co-host Deo. We've just been able to just find these guys late. And whether it's just been luck or what or skill or whatever,

like it's just worked out year after year after year after year. Logan Thomas was a big, you know, big hit for us when he broke out, you know, the Mark Andrews year was a big hit, you know, was big for us. Even last year, like you mentioned, with trade McBride, it was the, you know, to me, it just made the most sense of world. Zachard. especially after the first week. It was almost like people didn't want to buy into it. And I get it. He was extremely inefficient.

But in a 1.5 point per reception tight-in premium league, you're getting seven receptions for 35 yards. You're putting up points, you know? But seeing how many targets he was getting in that system was just the obvious clue and the obvious night is to heading straight to the waiver wire and just putting Tray McBride, especially if you're a team that like waited on tight-end. in like just keep them on your bench and that's exactly you know what a lot of us did and it was fruitful

but i do think this year is different i think this year is the first year where i see a lot of tight-in got tight-ins who i think can put up similar points and who still have the potential to break out even so more so than what they did last year than some of the guys that are going around them and given the position scarcity there and again you know kind of you know this idea of you know, confidence start, you know, whatever you want to call that stat or, you know, being able to confidently start someone and accurately start someone. This year, I'm really leaning towards grabbing those tight ends early. You know, when I say early, I just mean based on ADP. And I'll, this is again, I'm diversifying. I actually do like Kelsey this year. I feel like this is

going to be an easy, an easier year this year than it was last year. I feel like last year, he didn't have the luxury of having actual deep threats. I love all the film and tape that's being thrown out on Twitter with Xavier Worthy, you know, catching these 40, 50-yard bombs against single or no high safety, you know? But what it's doing is putting teams on notice. Like, hey, we got Xavier Worthy. Hey, we got Mark Heath Brown. We have speedsters. Okay. So to me, teams aren't going to stop. playing too high safety teams aren't going to just say okay you know you guys can kind of run free so i think that opens up that short and intermediate feel easier catches potentially more yak and i don't care if he plays less percentages if they're in the red zone he's going to be he's going to be there in the

red zone he's going to be at the goal line and he's always going to be the number one target and we i think i can't remember how many touchdowns he scored last year but it was fairly low it's six or seven it's not out of the realm of possibility to see Travis kelsey scored 12 to 13 and and if kelsey's scores 12 to 13 points. He's right back into that elite realm. So I actually still have him as my number one. La Porter for me has been hard to get on. He's probably my least own. Real quick, I just wanted to add two things. On your Kelsey point, that you're, you're kind of on an island there because everyone's just like hating on Kelsey like, oh, he's going to have like a 50% snap share because they don't need him. You want to preserve him for the playoffs. But like even if that's true, one thing you've

seen time and time again from Annie Reid, and he's been very vocal and up for. front about this where he says this is what he does is, okay, even if that is the case, the last three weeks heading into the playoffs, he gives these guys a full workload because then you need, because you need to be ready and accustomed to a larger workload in the playoffs. And so they've done that with Jerich McKinnon over the last two years. I think that would be the case with Kelsey. So I think that's an interesting call. And then just dating back to or going back to like the efficacy of a late round approach is

just like what really is going to move the needle for you, it would be, it wouldn't be drafting the ADP tight end five who finishes as a tight end three. It would be something like getting a Trey McBride off of waivers and then he finishes the tight, like huge needle mover for those playoff weeks, those bonus round weeks. So I just wanted to add that as another feather in the cap. But yeah, let's let's dive deeper into like the individual tight ends here. Sam Leporta, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I'm just not there. I know a lot of people have.

Yeah, I'm just not there. I just, you know, especially in Titan premium, but even in like not, even in like TPR. Yeah. I never want to rely on touchdowns, you know, because you may get like, I think it was a game last year where he had three. Like that's great, you know, but like if that wasn't in the money weeks, you know, that was like less than ideal. And you can just never bet on touchdowns. But also, I look at this team and this is a team that can do pretty much almost anything that they want. want. And if the defense takes another step, you know, and you have, you know,

Jamir Gibbs, and they're talking about getting him more involved in a passing game, and you got a David Montgomery, and you have a Monra. To me, like, if this is a team that, you know, has a lead or just feels like, you know what, we just want to run the ball, or we want to involve our past, you know, our running backs in the, you know, in the passing game, I think Sam LaPoor is going to be the one to take the hit. I still think he finishes the top five, but like you said, like, I don't. see that like elite elite i don't see the you know he's catching 80 plus you know 80 plus receptions you know 1200 plus yards and the touchdowns i have a hard problem seeing that so i'm i'm taking guys

where i think that they have an easier path towards that ahead of them yeah so i'm i'm so with you i think uh who stands out most to me uh at adp on ffpc right now would be uh mark andrews tight end five Jake Ferguson, tight end nine, maybe David and Joku, tight end 10, just kind of because to me, they seem like the end of a tier. A lot of other people have it like a seven tight end deep tier. I'm bullish on Jake Ferguson, especially in tight end premium. And a must draft pick for me at the tight end position, maybe disagree with me. You're the doctor here.

But recent reports say he's out three to seven weeks, probably latest would be right after Halloween after their buy. But by all accounts, he's well ahead of schedule. And again, this is a format. You want to be leaning into those bonus round week upside. You want to, you have the bench space to carry him. I believe so. I really like what he offers tight end 1480p. No one, no other tight end going later than him has anywhere near his upside or median projection once he's healthy and on the field. So much draft for me, some some cheaper options, maybe Zach Ertz plus Ben Sinat. Theo Johnson. Oh, Tyler Conklin, I really like, I have a few more names. You can check out the article. But I think you can overrate the significance of tight ends outside of, you know, the peak

Travis Kelsey's. But like, don't underrate the value, the lower end. tight ends provide as like a high floor flex play every single week. Yeah. And so those are some names Tyler Conklin, Washington tight end can provide. So those are some tight ends who stand out to me. I'm kind of with you on LaPorteur Cuncad has been giving me such a headache. Brock Bowers, who looks like such an outlier talent, but I worry about mayor. With Concade, I worry about the other tight end with, even with with Trey McBride. I just read this today. Dan Graziano and Fowler over at ESPN said they're envisioning his usage to look like David and Joku's back when the OC was with the Browns as the tight end coach where he was splitting

time with Harrison Bryant. So he would split with Tip Ryman, which would suck. Which would suck so much ass. I hope that's something. So anyway, those cheaper options I think would be my targets. Yeah, I'm 100% with you on TJ Hawkins. And again, I think this is like, you know, I think this is kind of where people or where drafters kind of make an error. And I do it with myself too is when you're going from one format and it's not, you know, changing your logic. You know, forget about the fact that it's even tight and premium. But I think in best ball, they thought processes that, okay, if I don't have,

you know, T.J. Hawkinson's scoring for the first half of the year. I'm just missing out on those points and it's just not worth it, you know. Even in that format, I still don't agree with it. I just, I just, to me, I'm just like, do we, did, and I'm not a TJ. I was never a T.J. Hockinson, like, truth or a fan, but just go back and, like, look at his game logged. I mean, they are tremendous. He is to me, clearly the second best receiving option on that team. And when you have an alpha like Justin Jefferson, he's never going to be seeing, like, you know, you know, any like double coverage or like, you know, getting too much love. And then you add in a Sam Darnel.

And the reason I'm bringing up San Darnal is because, you know, he's coming from San Francisco where they know how to use the tight end, you know, where they have scheme to open the tight end. And he knows the value of a tight end like in someone like a kiddo, a George Kittle. So if I don't draft like one like, you know, I think my cutoff is probably in joke. If I draft in Joko, I'm almost always drafting T.J. Hawkinson. If I don't draft in Jokko or any of those other guys, I'm definitely reaching. and drafting T.J. Hawkinson. Because I can get by with Zach Ertz, you know, for the first couple of weeks and then Ben Sinat and then, and this is going to kind of make shift at that position, you know, but, hey, sorry about that. We just had some technical difficulties, but I think I know

where Abed was going with what he was saying, which is, yeah, you can get some makeshift production while you're waiting for T.J. Hawkinson from a Ben Sinot plus Zach Ertz combination. Do you know who led all tight ends in fantasy points per game in the tight end premium format last year? It was T.J. Hawkinson, right? Tighten 1480p. So I think you give me Hawkinson plus whoever, you know, Tyler Conklin or Washington tight end to fill in those first five or so weeks, that combination is going to outscore potentially just about anyone minus one or two names. So that might be my most significant player take over at FFPC right now is T.J. Hawkinson, absolute must draft pick we're going to move on though we're going to we're going to take a quick

break or last break of the show i'm going to ask abeb his is number one like what's your most burning question what is something you just want to pick my brain on or something you can't stop thinking about and then we're going to get into your top four best values must draft picks or highest own players and then we're going to wrap it up but uh one quick break before we get to that All right, Abib. What is your top burning question? You know, what's something that you're losing sleep over? Or you want to just want to pick my brain or talk about.

I think I know what the answer should be. It might not be because we've talked about this previously. But if it's not what you immediately think of, that's fine. But what do you got from me? Well, I think there's a couple. And really it kind of centers around whether or not says, running back is going to be a workhorse or not, you know? That's the question every year.

Yeah, because if they are a workhorse and I'm passing them consistently in the third round and they put up 300 plus points, I'm going to be screwed this year. So I think to me, like, that's the thing that is the most difficult. And I think I have a handful of guys, some that I've just, you know, just completely faded. and then others who I'm just deathly terrified of fading and will force myself to take shares. And so to me, that kind of ranges from, you know, the Derek Henry's of the world.

I'm fairly comfortable with Kyran, so I really don't include. To me, I just kind of see that as a value, and I'm not going to be overweight necessarily, but I see it as a value. But Derek Henry, Devin A-Chane is such a just, I mean, his range of outcomes, like, to use that cliche, like, this is the perfect definition of wide range of outcomes. Because I don't know what's going to happen, you know.

I don't know that we ever see him in a role where he is just, you know, seeing 15 plus carries and 20 plus touches a game. And I don't know if you necessarily need to see him in that role for him to be a top three or top four running back. But does that come with volatility? And he is one of those few guys where I'm assuming there's going to be volatility, but he would never leave my starting lineup, you know? I'm okay. I've never been someone just because I draft you in the second, third round where I'm going to just blindly start you regardless.

And real quick, real quick. In FFPC, you get a playoff spot for scoring the most points. Yes. As well as, or you make it to the bonus rounds based on that, right? And playoff spots for your league. And then also once you make it to the bonus rounds, you get your average across the regular season counting once and then 14, 15, 16, 17, 17 counting as one week. So total points matters. But yeah, go on.

No, absolutely. Absolutely. I think that is so crucial. And that's why I'm so, like, you know, so anal and so just, like, meticulous about, like, who I'm putting in my starting lineup and when. But because of that wide range of outcomes, because of the potential. 50 point week, you can't miss that week. You can't be the one Devin A-Chane team that decided to get cute and sit him the week where he goes for 45 plus points.

So that guy stays in your lineup, you know, at least for me, regardless. And yeah, total points are just critical because you can have a four and five or four and whatever team, you know, four total wins, but not only make the playoffs, get a nice little bonus from FFPC, and they get an automatic birth to the tournament, which is really all that care about. I don't really care about anything else. I just need an automatic birth to the attorney. Main goal in FFPC, you know, if you're really trying to win it all, is get as many teams into the tournament as possible. But getting back to your last question, the burn, so yeah, Derek Henry, I really don't, you know, I've just kind of been fading. And I don't know if it's

going to kill me or not. I kind of did like this, like, you know, mind exercise, where we tried to, like, project out his points on our last podcast. And I just can't get there. the name of that podcast, by the way. I highly recommend it. Yeah, first and 15, first and 15 podcast. We try to drop an episode once a week. You can catch us at first and 15 on Twitter. You can find me, Skywalk with 2000 on Twitter as well. But, yeah, we just thought, I mean, a lot of kind of what we're talking about, just kind of game theory and just, you know, it's, it's less analytical, less stat, you know, driven, less ring driven, and more just sort of kind of our thought process to drafting and whatnot.

But, yeah, Derek Henry is, is an interesting player because he just goes to this, you know, on the surface level seems like an amazing team. But I just have worries about Justin Hill taking, you know, Justice Hill taking all the third down. Him not truly getting, you know, 250 plus carries. But even if he does get 250 plus carries and scores double-digit touchdowns, is that enough to really kind of like make him worth his ADP? Yeah. So I'll say he had a 53% snap share last year.

he led the league and carries scored 12 touchdowns and a really bad Titans offense. I think there's a good chance he scores like 17, 18 rushing touchdowns this year. I wouldn't say he's much draft or anything, but to me, he feels safe with some underrated upside as well. For sure, a target and half PPR standard leagues. But you didn't give me the answer. I thought you were going to give me. I thought, but I mean, I agree with everything you say.

that's credence to the zero RB approach is just you see all these running backs with these wide range of outcomes there's like these key hidden variables that we just don't have the answers to you that could just totally swing a running backs projection massively for better or for worse because you have all these ambiguous backfields it creates more upside and more value in the later round running backs who have more conditional upside And yeah, it's just like the fundamental nature of fantasy football in 2023. But what I thought you were going to say, which we talked about previously, and we've just been like, you and I both, you look at rounds two through four. And it just makes you want to vomit. But like what you said to me was right.

It was like maybe the entire year for you on FFTC comes down to getting those rounds right. And it just sucks because that is such a flat tier. And not only is it flat, but there's, there's like round, there's players going in round four in home leagues round four, five, six, who I would take early to mid round two. And so I have no idea what to do here. I have no good advice. Like I need to update my article with my top 24 people keep asking. I just don't want to do it because it's like, it's just so gross. It's so great.

So that's what I thought you were going to say. Do you want to expand on that at all? Yeah. And that kind of, I mean, that's literally kind of like going back to my point of like, this is why I think this year is so unique, you know, outside of just like, you know, you know, so much ambiguity. But like, even within the rankings and even within the tiers, it just sort of kind of floods the entire fantasy landscape where you can do anything you want in the second,

third, fourth round. And, yeah, people may say, oh, you know, you took, you know, you took, you know, you took, Y and Z player two rounds ahead of ADP. But guess what? It doesn't matter. They're all in the same tier. They're all in the same tier. And I have a lot of confidence in these guys.

But I mentioned the A-Chane and the Henry and the E-T-N because they all kind of go in that space. And those are like the few guys that I just like, you know, everyone else I'm like almost comfortable with taking, you know, maybe there's some guys like Mike Evans who I, you know, I definitely wouldn't be thrilled to like have to take it to back into the third or maybe I let's slide in a fourth, but I'll have some shares here there. But for the most part, like, a lot of those guys, like, it's almost like I'm being, I'm warming up to the idea and, you know, embracing the idea of diversifying in that area and trying to build just as many combinations as possible and trying to make sure that I don't miss out.

So if I had to give advice, I would say, don't like, don't put yourself too much in take lock. don't have too much confidence in one specific situation. You can definitely have guys that you are much higher on and you want to be overweight on, but don't ignore certain players. Like, there are definitely plenty of people who are very pro-Malik neighbors and people who are completely, you know,

can't understand why Malik neighbors would be going in the second and third round. You know, and I guess I'm more talking to the people who are fading him. What if? Like, what if, you know? He's no different than a lot of these other guys. these guys in round two through four and maybe in the round five they all have question marks they all have warts that's why they go there the guys who go into first rounds they don't have question marks they're undoubtedly the workhorse back they're undoubtedly you know the number one wide receiver

in a pretty you know heavy passing attack you know all those guys are just like easy picks outside of puka which i think we kind of agree on too as well but the rest of the round you know like it's almost like you can do anything. And you shouldn't feel boxed in to ADP because, you know, a certain player goes in a round two. You have to take that player versus taking another player. You know, I was, we did a listener league draft, and I took Malik Neighbors at the back end of the second round. And I'm not doing that just to kind of, you know, you know, stand on a hill and say Malik Namers for sure is going to be the number one, you know, the top five wide receiver. but I did that because, one, you know, he's a hot name right now,

and I think I drafted out of the 105 spot. I didn't have 100% certainty that he was going to make it back. But whoever did make it back into the third round, I was going to be just as happy with. So I knew I wanted Malik neighbors on that team, and I was fine and viewed that as a big tier. So I didn't feel like I had to, you know, draft the Devonte Adams, or I had to draft Adulton Kincaid, you know,

because it's tight-in premium, because those guys typically go in that ADP. It is a big tier. And for anyone who's having to do rankings, Scott, I apologize, and I feel sorry for you. And you should not have to like, you guys are going to get so much backlash. And I'm actually doing rankings this year too.

So I'm just waiting for it. Because how can you possibly get this right when the tier is this big? You know, there's no way. Your 24th player, you have ranked. There's going to be guys ranked from 25 to 36 who are definitely going to end up above that because you're just, it's a guess. It's a guess. You know, it's an educated guess, but it's a guess. Right, right. Well, let's get into the players

you're super excited to draft, maybe your must draft players, maybe the players, you're building your entire draft around, maybe your highest own players. I know you're a lot more conservative than me, and I think that's a function of drafting 70 plus teams. You sort of have to be. But can you give us, can you give us four names? Maybe one at each position or just your top four. I know you do, I know there's going to be a lot of these FFPC pros

watching this. So I appreciate you giving what you can. Have you got to censor yourself? Yeah, yeah, no, no. We could, you know, I'm, you know, a podcast and do a show once a week. So, you know, most people are, I think, are, you know, somewhat aware. That's a beautiful. The beauty of it all is that I think people listen and they, you know, still kind of, you know, listen to other people as well as no formulate their own opinion. So there's enough, you know, sound advice out there that I don't have to

feel that anyone's, you know, absolutely leaning on my thoughts alone. But, you know, we started the quarterback position. We've already talked about Jaden Daniels, and I would just have to bring that up again. I mean, I can't stress enough. I think the, you know, the luxury of me drafting very early on and kind of throughout the offseason, and I've just been able to absolutely hammer that is like, you know, my highest own or my second highest own quarterback at the moment. And, you know, you know, You know, until he kind of gets to an unacceptable range, I'm just going to absolutely destroy, you know, or, you know, make sure I'm, you know, drafting him as much as possible. And that's because there are plenty of quarterbacks that go after him that I feel just as comfortable with backing him up. And that kind of gets me to the second guy, you know, as far as at the quarterback position.

We talked about Jalen Hertz. I don't have a lot of him because I'm typically waiting, but I do like him. But the guy that I, you know, is probably my, you know, second highest zone right now. is Trevor Lawrence. So there is just, you know, and with the caveat that, you know, Doug Peterson offense, you know, some questionable play calling, you know, I don't know if he was calling plays last year. I think he kind of took it over at the end, but question.

But I just felt like he didn't have the right personnel in the right places. And a lot of guys were playing out of position. And I feel like now he has the right player personnel in the right positions. Trevor Lawrence was hurt quite a bit last year. The offensive line was banged up quite a bit last year. I think they're going to be now playing in a division that just seems actually, you know, it used to be the, you know, the stinker of the South. Now we have some potential breakout offenses.

Obviously we have, you know, the Texans, but Tennessee could be moving at a quicker pace. You know, so, you know, the Colts, obviously, you know, with their offense. So they may, you know, they're in an offense or in a division now where they're probably going to have to score points. I also think that we saw ETN to me, the way, you know, when I watch the Jaguars, I think they threw a fair amount in the red zone. And I think we may see some regression on both ends. I think we may see some regression from the TD department with ETN where he scores less TDs. And I think we may end up seeing the positive regression with Trevor Lawrence. Don't quote me on this, but I think he had the, you know, like was near the top of the league as far as drops, end zone drops, you know, as far as, you know, interceptions that weren't necessarily his fault.

I can remember two off the top of my head of Tank Bigsby, you know, you know, balls going straight through his hands and into a defender's hand. And again, one thing with Trevor Lawrence too as well is that he has some untapped rushing potential as well. Like he can get you three to five T's a year. He can get you a couple of hundred rushing yards. And that helps. So he's a guy that given where he goes, I mean, he is going super late, super late. and I find it hard for him, like, kind of not to finish into top 12,

because I still think that this is a passing offense. And I love that E.T.N. is a pass-catching running back, too. So it's not that it's not like E.N. can't win and Trevor Lawrence can't win together. So he's definitely won on the quarterback side of things where I think he's being slept on. And I'll just throw DeShon Watson out there because he's going super late. And if it doesn't work out, you can easily cut him. But he's the guy, too, as well. that offense, the coaching staff, the GM, they're telling us that they want to be a passing offense.

They're not going to have Nick Chubb for a foreseeable amount of time. And if they're spreading things out, if they're running more three wide receiver sets, they have a ton of talent, you know, with the receivers. He doesn't have to do much. And with as bad as he played last year, I think he still scored or averaged about 20 points for a game. And that was like him at his absolute worst. So that's another guy that I would consider, especially like in. best of all formats. It may not feel good, but it's easy. It's a button out of click on for sure.

Yeah. So there's a lot I agree with here, specifically with Jaden Daniels in my draft. Like, how many times have I done this now where it's just like 2019 Lamar, 2020, Josh Allen, 2021, Jalen Hurts, Justin Fields the next year, Anthony Richardson last year, good process, bad results. But it's like, give me the young guy who runs that everyone's sleeping on and it just works. It works out just about every single time. Deshaun Watson, I'm with you. I think he has underrated rushing upside. You're not going to find any upside like that, that late in the draft. But it's also like the Browns keep telling us, they want to lead the league in pace of play this year. Do you want to reshape their offensive identity to look a lot like what it looked

like under Joe Flacco, where they go extremely pass heavy? You said that so many times. I'm like, look at what Joe Flacco did. Joe Flacco, was a top three fantasy point per game quarterback last year. I think even if Deshaun Watson lost something, like he could replicate that. But there's there's also like, hey, he lost a full year. Last year he was hurt. And like you said, he was putting up points despite playing really poorly. Trevor Lawrence is the one I'm going to push back on, but I just don't know that I'm,

I'm right here. I think I just like the bit I've been doing that Trevor Lawrence is a bust. Like it's just funny to me to like rile up. a Jaguars fan. So 50 career games, he's thrown over 33 passing yards only twice, just the same as Mike White in like one eighth as many starts, which is half as many as C.J. Stroud and like a fifth as many starts. But again, I don't, he could, you know, just finally live up to his potential. So I think I'm just biased because I like pissing off Jaguars fans a lot, but I can certainly see that.

that playing out. I'll add this one last thing with Trevor Lawrence. I've never been a Trevor Lawrence fan. I was completely against the idea of him being this. People were using the term generational talent. And I just, watching him at Clemson, I was like, I don't know how you could possibly tell. I don't know how you could possibly tell. Guys are wide open in space.

You know, I mean, it was just, you know, it was a perfect set set up. There's not really much that he had to do, you know, to succeed in that type of system and in that type of offense. but I was also out on him last year. Last year he was going like in round six and he was sort of kind of a potential breakout candidate. He was a guy that I think a lot of people were targeting as sort of kind of that lower, you know, mid-tier quarterback.

So I've never really been, this is a first year that I'm actually in on Trevor Lawrence. So if that means anything, take it that with a grain of salt. But yeah, that'll be interesting to see. So, you know, either him or Jaden Daniels needs to work out because most of my teams are Jaden Daniels-T-Loren's combinations. Okay, all right. Well, give me a few more names, if you don't mind. Any position? Any position? Any position. So if I'm looking at my, I'm just going to go to my percentage, you know, my ownership percentage, okay?

So right now I'm at about 56% Elijah Mitchell. And I could be completely wrong with Elijah Mitchell. You know, again, I drafted early kind of before and I've been drafting throughout, you know, before kind of the hamstring with Elijah. And then, you know, these talks of, you know, Jordan Mason. I don't know. We'll have to see. I'm definitely going to try and get some more Jordan Mason, but really what this is is essentially a bet against CMAX staying healthy, which is something I've never really done in the past.

So we're going to, you know, if CMA goes down for any extended period of time or especially during the money weeks, like and Elijah Mitchell is a guy, that's going to be something that's going to be very fruitful. And I bring it up because a lot of handcuffs go super, super early. you know and we talked about this on the pod a lot where a handcuff is a lottery pick yes ideally your handcuff is in the greatest situation and he's you know going to be in a workhorse workload but

even oftentimes when we envision that we're wrong prime example Jerome Ford last year and I was high on Jerome Ford last year I picked he was one of my higher own especially handcuffs last year because I felt like if Nick Chubb goes down, Jerome Ford is just going to absolutely destroy in this offense. And what happened? You know, these are things that we don't consider, but that always happen, is that the organization doesn't just say,

okay, we're going to slot in, you know, running back B for running back A because running back A is hurt. The organization looks at the landscape. Who else is out there? Kareem Hunt's out there. Kareem Hunt on a broken leg or whatever injury he played through throughout the entire season, came off the couch and took all the high value touches. And if you owned Jerome Ford last year, it was the most frustrating player ever from a standpoint

of he would just give you 11 or 13 points a game, you know? So like, yeah, you started him, but you almost got nothing out of it. And to me, it was just sort of kind of a wasted pick. And it was one of those things that no one could have foreseen the idea of Jerome Ford not being the true handcuff. So I don't like to invest a lot of high draft capital. in these high-end handcuffs. And what inevitably happens, too, is that throughout the off-season,

some news will come out, especially with the rookies. Trey Benson was going so high. So I had very little Trey Benson because he was going so high. And now we got news coming out that DiMarcato maybe. And I'm not really buying this because I've seen V. Marquado and I'm not buying. But we've got the news of DeMarcato. We got the news of, you know, Carter.

Maybe even if he, you know, does ascend, he's really only a two downback. Who knows? but now is the perfect time to get in on Trey Benson. Now, now I'm smashing the Trey Benson. So I like to, like, not waste my seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, tenth, maybe even 11th round picks on these high-end handcuffs. And I like to target these guys later because it's a similar kind of reasoning with the quarterback and with the tight end.

Like, those are prime rounds where you get breakout talent. You get breakout players, you know? And I don't want to just have a lottery pick. I want to have a guy that actually has an opportunity. I don't know if it's Khalil Shakir or Curtis Samuel. Maybe it's neither, but what if it's one of them? That's where those handcuffs go. So that's the only reason I bring up Elijah Mitchell.

You threw up in your mouth when I mentioned Gianniusilfitt. But surprisingly, he actually is my second. Let me stop on Elijah Mitchell. I'm going to say, I completely agree. So Jordan Mason is getting a lot of hype now in part because Mitchell's banged up and he's frequently banged up. But David Lombardi, their best beatwriter, just like a month. ago was like no no no no Mitchell is the clear number two I'm with you I don't like expensive

handcuffs because we can't predict injuries but what we do can predict is like contingent upside and you have to think that rb1 for the 49ers has a ton of upside you can't predict injuries but you can see like which running backs are the most injury prone and you mentioned trey Benson so James Connor Christian McCaffrey have to be at the top of that list McCaffrey nearing the H-cliff or already past it. He had 400-plus touches, including the postseason last year. And so with handcuffs, I typically like the latest round handcuffs because you can't predict injuries and the ones with the most contingent upside. And I have to say, Elijah Mitchell really stands out. But yeah, why don't you sell me on DeAndre Swift? I'm sorry, but that one's a struggle for

me. I see a freeway committee, but tell me what you say. Yeah. So I'm a longhorn. Longhorn. alone, okay? So I've seen, you know, the guys that come out of, you know, UT I've seen, okay? And I love Rochon as a player, you know, but I just don't think he's that guy. So Rochon, I'm not really even concerned about. You know, if someone were to go down and they had to rely on Rochon, Rochon's like a good, solid player. But to me, he's more of like a special team player, kind of a situational player. I don't view him as like a workforce back. Calil Herbert, I thought was good. I still think is good. But I mean, how much more do we have to listen to? You know, they drafted Rochon, you know, and then I think they found out, you can tell based on the usage,

even when all the guys went out and when all the guys were hurt, you can tell that they realize, okay, Rochon's not really a lead back. Because a lot of guys got hurt. Herbert got hurt. Foreman got hurt last year. And you never really saw Rochon just in this elite role. So they kind of told us what they thought about it. But they also told us what they thought about Herbert last year as well, because they brought in Deonté Foreman, and Deontre Foreman got quite a better run. And then this year, they immediately went out, immediately went out and drafted or signed DeAndre Swift

to a significant contract. Again, I was not on DeAndre Swift last year. I am in on him this year for the sole reason is I think as a whole through the receptions, through being in an explosive offense, through him potentially, I think running better in this type of system, than in the system that he ran in with the Eagles,

that I think there's enough there that he can pay off his ADP value. You know, is he going to be a true goal lineback? I don't think so, but I don't think he needs to be. I really see a situation where I think they're actually going to use him quite a bit in the passing game. And he just looks so comfortable catching the ball out of the back. I think if youth in the right role, to me, I think of kind of like an Alvin Kamara type role,

where it's more like, yes, he's a running back, but he presents such a threat and has so much skill in the passing game that if they incorporate that, I think he can be an absolute steal at his ADP. Yeah, one thing I keep coming back to is, like, they signed him immediately. Like, free agency open,

and he was like the first signing. They really had their heart set on him. To me, though, just Matt Iberfluse, he loves a committee. I'm worried it's Herbert, Rochon, splitting early down work. Rochon maybe in pass pro. And it just doesn't leave much for Swift, although he should leave the backfield and fantasy points. But maybe I'm wrong. And honestly, I have no idea what his ADP is. So it's possible. He's a great value. When you give me at least one more,

give me a wide receiver. That's right. One last running back. And this is the perfect time to mention it. One last running back. Tyrone Tracy. Oh, hell yeah. Tyrone Tracy. Okay. So a lot of people will talk about, well, he's still kind of learning the position, to some degree, but he played running back in high school. I mean, he played everything in high school, but he played a lot of running back in high school. So it's not like he's just like completely new or was new to the position of running back, you know, that last year in college. And just go watch his tape. Just watch his tape. Like, doesn't it to be highlights. Just watch his tape. And he looks like a running back. And the fact that he can, you know, actually catch passes as well. And that one,

I don't want to knock that in Singletary. I still think he's a great balance. you pick but that's a situation like you know kind of halfway throughout the year especially they're not winning games and they kind of want to give other guys look that's a situation where I want that guy on my team heading into the money weeks if I got to hold them you know the entire year and not start them until week 15 I'll do it but yeah what are the position that you want to hear I'm just so with you on Tyrone Tracy so great call yeah wouldn't you give me some wide receivers and we could wrap it up with that okay so my top top five wide receivers Number one, Christian Kirk.

Oh. Number two, Deontay Johnson. Hell yeah. Number three, Chris Godwin. Hell yeah. Number four, sadly, Marvin Mims. I think I would not be drafting anymore. I mean, I'm not be drafting anymore Marvin Mims.

Yeah. He goes late, he goes late. But yeah, no more Marvin Mims. And then to round it out, Calvin Rittley and Jermaine Burgen. So, you know, those are like mid-round guys that like, you know, just sort of kind of, you know, are not necessarily excited about taking. But I really like these guys.

And, you know, Christian Kirk, okay, maybe his feeling is somewhat capped. But I still think, you know, if all things break right, you can see him finishes a ride receiver 13 and 14 and where he's going. I really like that. I think it's steady points. But Chris Godwin, to me. Hold on. Let's take it.

Let's take point by point if you don't mind. Christian Kirk, so the concern with him is that in the preseason this year, he was off the field in two wide receiver sets. This also happened last preseason and it happened in week one. And then St.C. Jones got hurt and then he was a full-time player in two wide receiver sets. And I was like, okay, so this is real. This is what they want to do. This is a big concern. And then I looked into it. You could look into it yourself in the Fantasy Point Data Suite. By the way, the Jaguars were top five and 12 personnel, top five in pass rate in 12 personnel. So I thought this would be massive.

I pulled it up in the data suite. He only had 12 targets in 12 personnel all last year. So it doesn't really matter. It's just like he was an afterthought anyway. So I think that's overblown. Yeah, why don't you sell me on Christian Kirk? He's someone I'm more torn on. Like, if you look at my rankings, it doesn't seem like I'm high on him.

but like as a value, I totally see it. So why don't you make the pitch? Yeah, yeah. I think the biggest thing, too, is value. You know, I think you can get them at the back end of the fifth, sixth round, and the FFPC format, steady target. To me, this is really based on the type of offense that Doug Peterson runs. You know, it's really that intermediate game.

That's why I also like Evan Ingram. And now, again, kind of going back to like having like actual legit, you know, legit deep threats. Calvin Ridley, you know, he was kind of playing a miscast role, you know, as a primary ex and someone pushing the boundaries and, you know, kind of extent, you know, running, you know, go routes and sevens and things like that, or post-rout. But I like the addition to Brian Thomas. I love that they brought in Gabe Davis.

I think, you know, as much, you know, heat as Gabe Davis, you know, gets. I still think he's someone that, you know, is somewhat of a, you know, a bigger body deep threat down field that you have to account for. But to me, those guys are just decoys in the Doug Peterson offense. Like, to me, the Doug Peterson offense is like high efficiency, you know, high accuracy, high percentage throws. And that's the short and intermediate route. And who operates in those areas?

Christian Kirk and Evan Ingraham. So to me, those guys are clearly the 1A and 1B as far as the reception leaders and target leaders in that office. And you already mentioned, you know, the limitations of Trevor Lawrence. And I agree with that, you know. You don't need, you know, this isn't, to me, this isn't an offense that has Trevor Lawrence, you know, dropping back and reading the defense and then deciding where to go. He's not Tom Brady. It's not a Tom Brady type offense.

To me, this is an offense that is, this is your first read, this is your second read, this is your third read. And I think more oftentimes than not, Christian Kirk is going to be that first read. Which actually, I need to write a note to go back and look at games played, you know, what was Christian Kirk's first read percentage? I think that'll be interesting over the last two years. it may also kind of give some insight as to whether or not, you know, he's worth the pick. Yeah. Shout out to the Fantasy Points Data Suite. You can check that out yourself to see where Christian Kirk ranks in first read targets, first read target share. All right. So you hit on you hit on Deontay, Chris Godwin, and Calvin Ridley. And I'll hit on all three at once.

You can dive into each individually. But you were saying before, how. like your podcast is not really that stats driven. It's more game theory and stuff like that. And like that's also wildly true of my rankings. Like I'm very much a stats guy. I have like dang stats for every player and that feeds into my rankings. But like so often it's really just, you know, like a simple logic. And it's for me, Deonti Johnson, a player I've always loved to ranks top three.

Every single year has been the league by separation, whether that's our new stat that's about to come out ass average separation score or ESPN's open score at next gen stats. Really good player I believe in. He is going to play the Mike Evans, Dave Canales, Alpha X role in this Panthers offense without much target competition. You have Calvin Ridley, Brian Callahan, has said he's going to play the Jamar Chase role for us. What does that look like?

Jamar Chase led the league in screens last year, basically a free three-point fantasy point her game boost just on screens. He's going to be used a ton in motion. I get he's not Jamar Chase, the talent, but that's a vastly wildly valuable role. And then Chris Godwin, same thing. He was in the Dave Canales slot role, which is not a valuable role.

For one thing, Dave Canales does not scheme up a lot of screens, manufactured touches for the slot. That's why we were down on him last year. But now you have this new offensive coordinator, Liam Cohen saying he's going to use him in the Cooper Cub role, which means lots of screens, which is what he's always done. He's going to be in a slot full time, which is where he belongs, or where he's put up a ton of points. And so, like, yeah, give me that. That is just, like,

whatever stats, throw those out. So I'm also, like, don't underrate Calvin Ridley lost an entire year, like, unless you're Jamar Chase. Like, it's tough to come back and be a stud right away from that. So I'm with you on all. all three. And yeah, I think those are all great calls. Yeah, yeah. No, 100% agree with all of those. And, you know, sometimes, like, in some ways, like, kind of how you laid out, fantasy is easy, you know? What I did last, I was on Chris Evans last year because Dave Canales went to Tampa Bay. I know he had a narrow target tree. Okay, who's going to be the D.K. Mechap in this offense. Okay, Mike Evans is going significantly later than Chris Godwin. I'll just take the guy.

People just didn't want to draft Mike Evans last year. He was going to, he's going into eighth round. It was one of those weird things. I was taking so much Mike Evans. And the same thing with the Mari-Cuber. You start taking so much of these guys, and you start to kind of question it like, damn, everyone is out on these guys? I must be wrong.

So I'm, you know, I just sort of kind of, I do a lot of that, you know. And sometimes maybe you get burned a little bit. But for the most part, these offensive coordinators really aren't coming with brand new playbooks, brand new ideas. For the most part, they're doing a lot of what they did, you know, where they were before.

So, you know, even Michael Pittman from last. year, you know, kind of, you know, be, again, he was going in the seventh and eighth round, just knowing, you know, who, you know, who his head coach was, where he's coming from, how he uses the RPO, who is going to be the first read target, you know, or, you know, first read option in that, in that system. All those simple things are like, you know, I think are really, really helpful. Terry McClure is another guy as well, you know. I think I kind of almost, and this is a little scary because I don't think he's as good as DeAndre Hopkins, but, you know, I just, I'm basically kind of envisioning DeAndre Hopkins

in that type of role or Terry McCorn and DeAndre Hopkins role in that offense. Yeah, I think that's a good shout. I've been, I could see it, especially given my love of Jaden Daniels, where I really think he could just be awesome as a passer in addition to giving us that sky high rushing floor. Although I've personally been targeting, I guess more so best. I haven't done an FFPC draft. Luke McCaffrey, which, by the way, now could be Jahan Dotson for the same reason, because Dotson was like basically full-time slot in the preseason,

but he played him deep enough with the second string, that it seems like that's up in the air where McCaffrey has a chance to supply him to be the full-time. But anyway, Jim Nagy, good friend of the podcast, good friend of mine, director of the senior ball, former scout of multiple Super Bowl winning teams, which had Wes Welker and Julian Edelman on them, by the way. But he keeps telling me that this year's Pooka Nakuwa is Luca McCaffrey. Like I'll put out a tweet like there is no this year's Pooka Pooka Pukkahri. He's like, no, it's Luke McCaffrey.

Or I'll be like, I'm like Pooka Nukuha had this yards per route run that last year. And he's like just chiming in to remind you that this year's Puginacu is Luke McA. So anyway, I've just been going the cheaper route just because Cliff Kingsbury's offense just so slot, slot dominant target slots like crazy. But I can definitely see that. For a player we all know is good and has like deserved better. And you like, you've seen this with Chris Olabe, Drake London, where they're like

priced far and above any finish they've ever had where it's just like well they deserve better and they should finally have it but that's not the case with terry mclorin um i did want to circle back around on my guy marvin mims and i guess i guess you're saying like it's it's over based on preseason usage it's over i know last year's uses you know i just think it's over i think i think i think i think he's i think he's just going to be a clear-out guy i just think you know and we've seen that before with that offense too yeah Yeah, I just think he's going to be a clear-out guy, and I think it's going to be a guy. I think it's going to be a random guy.

I don't even think it's going to be Corlin Sutton. It could be Tim Patrick? It could be this... Josh Meadows? Not Josh. I doubt Josh Mealy? The new rookie? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it could literally be anyone. You know, Sean... Vealy has some Marcus Colston vibes. And I watched that presser. They really like him. Yeah, so don't put it past Sean Payton to just have a guy come out of nowhere. That's why I've been, like, drafting Lucas Kroll throughout that season. He's one of the coaches where I'm just like, I don't know.

We get to take a pause real quick on Lucas Krull. Adam Schaefter told us week 15 last year, Sean Payton loves. Loves Lucas Krull might be his favorite player of all time. And you've heard so much of that coming out this off seat. Although now Dulcich is back in healthy. Yeah. All right. Well, any tight end you want to give us before we sign off or you think we covered just about everything?

And you lost all your alpha on the season. and you know when rates are going to decline from here on that this is this is just going to force me to diversify i mean i think we pretty much cover them i'll mention two guys uh you know two that are just kind of getting like literally no love whatsoever uh an honorable mention that george kiddle because if a tray goes down in fpc you know game over who knows yeah who knows so you know get some now uh because that's right that's right you got a factor in that upside yeah his because right now he's just going where he typically goes like in the fifth round.

Like his ADP really hasn't changed at all. But one guy I would mention is Hunter Henry. Okay. Okay. So, you know, I, one way, you know, when I was like, you know, bargaining hunting for tight ends in years previous, I always just look towards offenses where there's just questionable wide receiver or a receiving core, you know, questionable, you know, who's going to be getting targets here.

And there's no clear alpha. but there's no clear-cut, you know, number one guy or even a number two guy. And to me, this is that offense. He's the incumbent. They seem to really, really like him. I've heard, you know, you've heard a couple of clips, you know, what's the quarterback's name? I forget, what's his, I mean, he probably won't be quarterback for the entire season. You're talking about Jacoby Bressat?

Yeah, Jacoby Bresset, yeah. There's been a couple clips of him talking about how you like side-ins. So people don't listen for it and you don't look for it, but I think Hunter and Henry's actually been, you know, someone who's been, you know, pretty prominent in the beat writing report from the Patriots camp. And if he does get the targets, because they just, they just, I mean, breaking news, they just trapped at, you know, Judon. So, uh, this team's going to be bad. You know, this team's going to be bad. So he's someone who could potentially see quite a few receptions. And then the last guy, you know, this is sort of kind of another injury discount and kind of

an unknown situation. A lot would have to kind of go right, but Joanne Johnson. I was kind of high on him last year. He just seems like an athletic type profile. that in the right system, and he can do enough in the blocking, you know, when it comes to blocking, where I feel like even with Taysam Hill being on the team, he's someone who can really do quite a bit. And cars seem to really like him in the red zone. So that's a guy that just goes very, very cheap. And Hayden Hurst, I'm just going to die on that hill. So I like it, man, like we were saying, there's a lot of value in that, in these cheap tight ends. Don't, don't underestimate the floor they can provide in the flex.

and spike weeks. Hunter Henry's interesting. I need to give him another look. If you look at back at like every top six tight end in fantasy for the last like five years, they were always either like the number one or number two target in their offense. And given the wide receivers they have, it would not surprise me if Henry finishes top two in targets for that offense this year. But Abeeb, this was, this was amazing.

This was so valuable. I really think like just this one podcast has given. subs such a tremendous edge for FFPC drafts, which again are so much fun. The R a sponsor, promo code points for $25 off. But even if they weren't a sponsor, I would hype them up just the same as I love the format. And I'll give you a chance to plug your podcast, plug anything else you want to plug. But also, we're going to be doing a draft soon.

I don't think we have the date yet. But you, me, Theo Greminger, are going to try and repeat and do another main event draft, try and win the 12 man. then win it all. That's the plan. Absolutely. Absolutely. We're going for the grand prize.

We do not, we do, you know, we're not, we're not happy and we're not okay with just winning the league. That's right. We won't want to be on a lot. We'll probably get, you know, we'll probably drop a show on that too as well. But yeah, Scott, thanks for having me. And for, you know, for anyone who's kind of unfamiliar, yes, we have a podcast that I shoot with a good friend, Deo, Chris.

Talk to Dave. Dr. Dale, Dr. Dale Adisei, I guess she's, J.D., Dr. Lawyer, Christopher Anderson, who's our esteemed producer and does a lot of work behind the scenes and will be no pot without him. But first and 15th, we're, I think, unique from a standpoint of, like, we are in the game. Like, I am a high-stakes player first before I'm anything else after. None of us consider ourselves analysts. We don't consider ourselves, you know, even experts in any way. We just, you know, we love talking football.

We love talking fantasy. And we decided, you know, one day we're talking too much. You might as well just put it on wax and record it. So I'm hoping to have Scott out at the next show. I'm coming on for sure. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. You want to listen to. The people with skin in the game who have real results, over a million dollars in winning.

So yeah, shout out to you. Thanks. Shout out to your podcast. Thanks for coming on. Can't wait to do this live draft with you. And I hope one of us wins it all this year. Absolutely. Absolutely.

All right. Thanks to be you.