Fantasy Football Daily - Scouting and Evaluating the Offensive Line with Brandon Thorn | On the Clock! NFL Draft Podcast

Episode Date: March 29, 2023

Evaluating the Big Uglies is a beautiful process. Brett Whitefield (@BGWhitefield) wanted to bring in the best to discuss scouting the offensive line, so he went to Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) of @BleacherReport and @EstablishTheRun. Brandon breaks down his process and also ranks his top five tackles and interior linemen from this draft class! BRETT WHITEFIELD'S 2023 NFL DRAFT PROSPECT GUIDE IS FREE TO READ WITH A NO-CHARGE LOGIN AT FANTASY POINTS. Interested in playing Best Ball in 2023? There's no better place than Underdog Fantasy. Use our code FANTASYPTS to sign up for a new account at Underdog, and not only will you get a 100% deposit match up to $100... but you'll get a Fantasy Points Standard subscription for only $5! https://www.fantasypoints.com/underdog --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Welcome in to another episode of On the Clock. I am your host, Brett Whitefield. And today we are joined by a mastermind, an OL mastermind, some might say. He sits at the royal table of offensive line evaluations. Please welcome to the show, Brandon Thorne.

Brandon, how are you? Doing good, man. Doing really good. Thank you for having me. Heck yeah, thank you for coming on. So for those that don't know, Brandon, he has the Trench Warfare newsletter on Substack. It is excellent content. I highly recommend subscribing to that.

You can also find his work on Bleacher Report or establish the run. All right, Brandon, I had to have you on the pod because, you know, we've got a lot of guys that want to come on and talk skill players, of course, and cornerbacks and quarterbacks and all that fun stuff, but not many guys feel equipped to talk O-line play. And I figured you would be the guy to do this. So I've kind of been bugging you about coming on for a couple weeks now, and we finally got it done. So without further ado, let's get started. I want to pick your brain about your scouting process or your evaluation process or whatever. Whether you're watching NFL tape or college tape, what are you looking for? What is your process like? Can you, can you

walk me through some of those steps. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I think it kind of trace, can be traced back to my time at Scouting Academy, you know, and just what they teach there. And I think the grading scale is a good place to start. You know, they use a one through seven scale. So, you know, that's kind of my barometer, you know, my scale that I work on. One being poor, seven being elite, you know, and then everything in the middle of those two, you know, most of the traits that you're going to see in the players are three, four, and five. That's kind of, you know, 80% of the NFL, 80% of what you're looking at. Typically, you know, below average, average, above average, that kind of range. But in terms of the specific traits that I look for in

offensive line, there's really, you know, four or five critical factors that I think are needed at every position on the offensive line. And that's play strength, athletic ability, competitive of toughness, and then you can look at mental processing slash play speed. So basically how quickly they're diagnosing things and working through threats. And there's different ways of looking at that in the run in the past game. So those are the kind of the critical factors. And then there's position specific ones that I look at for tackle guard center that involve footwork, hand placement, overall use of hands.

and then how they are as run blockers, how they are as past blockers, anchoring ability, how they recover. So I think, yeah, those are the main position-specific ones, and they kind of manifest themselves differently at each position. And then also depending on the scheme and what they're asked to do, what they're not asked to do. So, yeah, I mean, you could kind of boil it down to, you know, tough, smart, strong, and are they athletic enough?

You know, I think quickness is more important than, you know, all out like raw athletic ability. They have to be quick, you know, so that's that's kind of how I look at it. How do you interpret length? Like when you talk about quickness, some guys will lack some quickness, but they can make up for it with length. How do you factor that into your evaluation? Yeah, it's a really good question. I think length is, you know, it can be overrated, but it also can be underrated. I mean, it depends on what crowd you're listening to on Twitter, I guess.

But I think it matters, you know, it matters a little bit more for tackle than guard, you know, simply because you're dealing with more space, you know, a tackle. And, you know, oftentimes you're dealing with a little bit longer of an opponent, you know, it depends. But, you know, that's typically the case, you know, nose tackles are typically a little bit more stout. edge rushers are typically a little bit more long. So, yeah, that's kind of how I look at that. And, yeah, I mean, a good example in this class is DeWan Jones, you know, longest arms, I think, ever measured at the combine, or at least the longest wingspan. So, you know, almost 37-inch arms, you know, 36 plus, you know,

and that certainly when you watch them on film helps mitigate what I think is definitely below average quickness. I mean, when you're 380 pounds, you know, obviously. quickness isn't going to be, you know, you're probably your strong suit, but it's really tough to work around his length. And he does, you know, he mitigates that lack of quickness. So that's kind of an extreme example where you have elite length and below average quickness. But it gets a lot more muddied when you're talking about guys who are maybe a little average of both. Then you just have to look at more, you know, footwork, how they're staying in front of guys, anticipation, leverage.

you know, and there's different kinds of leverage that you can break down. Dante Scarnicke has a coaching clinic available on YouTube that I highly recommend people check out. He describes his different leverages. And basically it's like up-down leverage, which is pad level, left-right leverage, which is hand usage, keeping your guy in front of you, and then positional leverage, you know, kind of what you do with your body. So there's – and I think that is a great. equalizer as well if a guy isn't like super athletic if he plays a really good leverage if he's consistently lower than the guy that he's going against if he's consistently inside with his hands

and he knows you know the play's intent and he knows how to kind of stay between himself or stay between the defender and the ball and kind of like work his body around create seals and alleys there's a lot of guys who are really skilled and nuanced in doing that who aren't the greatest athletes who you know carve out really impressive careers, two contract careers. So I love identifying those kind of guys on film. That's kind of one of the things I love about offensive line play is finding those guys who are really skilled, understand leverage, understand how to manipulate their positioning to just create, to sustain and control and steer guys just long enough.

And they do it consistently. And there's a lot of guys who do that in the NFL who are below average athletes. So yeah, I mean, It gets deep, but, you know, it's definitely, there's an art and a science to it, you know, and balancing that is what makes it so fun. Yeah, man. So I'm a Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy. And one of the core tenets of jiu-jitsu is distant management, right?

So, like, whether you're on your feet and you want to maintain that distance properly so you can get yourself into position of strike, or it's, hey, we're now in the scrap, I want to control distance. I want to actually bring you tighter to me. so I can manipulate your body. I view offensive line play very similarly, whether you're talking about length or leverage. It's like, you know, length can be a great tool for distance management, so to speak, especially when you're going against those crazy athletic edge defenders that also have length.

And then bringing in leverage to the mix. How do you see, can you give me some names of those NFL players that you think are probably lower on the athletic spectrum, but have carved out a really good career? And maybe some guys from this draft class that translates, you know, in a similar capacity. Oh, man, yeah. So the bulk of them are going to be on the interior. You know, that's more where you have your high level wrestlers, you know, and wrestling is another similar to jih Tzu in some ways that translates well to the NFL field, football field in general. And those are your centers, you know, typically. And there's a lot of centers. I mean, David Andrews, you know, undrafted free agent, you know, what is a year 11 or 12 now? Yeah. Ben Jones, you know, mid-round pick, I think, below average athlete. That's another one. Ted Karras is a well below average athlete. He's not on that level of those two, but he's starting for the Bengals right now. And he's been kind of a spot starter, you know, for a while. You know, I think the ultimate example at center is Travis Frederick, former Cowboys Center, who was a perennial pro bowler, excuse me, perennial all. pro you look at his mock draftable web chart and I mean it's it's as tight as you can be it's very unimpressive but he moved very well in the field he was the strongest center I've ever watched

and he was just awesome to see so there there's always guys like that Bradley bozeman another guy not a good athlete you know starting center Brian Allen undersized high level wrestler so there there's always centers there it's and it gets more rare, you know, the further outside you get where you have to deal with more space and foot quickness and athletic ability become more important. But there are examples of tackle as well. Mitchell Schwartz is probably the most, you know, famous example of a poor athlete who was, he was so efficient with his movements. And it's very difficult to reach that level of skill, obviously. So it, you know, he's kind of an outlier. But there's other guys, Donald Penn was another older, you know,

tackle who wasn't a very good athlete who played at a very high level for a long time. You know, Ronnie Stanley's not like the best athlete, you know, very long, big guy, very efficient. That's probably an example. And then there's the bigger guys like Rolando Brown, Trent Brown, who, you know, didn't test well at all, who, you know, are just, you know, enormous dudes who it's very difficult to work around them, you know, and they kind of play to their strengths. So there's always a few examples of tackle and then more as you get inside. And then in this class, you know, I mentioned one, Duon Jones. You know, we're not going to get testing numbers on him.

He ran the 40, I think, but he's not going to do anything else. And, you know, rightfully so. I think that's probably a smart move. He's not he wouldn't test well, you know, in the shuttle, the three cone or things like that. But the dude's 6-8-380, you know, with the longest wing span of all time, you know, at the combine. And he's very young and he got better from his 2021 to 22 season. So the trajectory is good. He has a long runway, which I think is another aspect in evaluation that is very interesting. His age, you know, I think it just expands the runway, you know, and that's how

I like to frame that. He has a long runway to continue to improve. So I think he's actually a pretty quality prospect, you know, in round two, round three. You might go round one. That's how I see him. So that's one example that kind of fits into this conversation. On the opposite end of the spectrum, another really interesting one is Peter Skoronski, who has very short arms. But I think is the best offensive lineman in the class.

Whether you see him as a tackle or a guard, I don't think it really matters. I think you're going to get immediate impact starter at guard and probably just an immediate get starter at tackle. In scouting circles, there's a terminology where you call guys like a blue chip player or red chip player, blue chip being elite, red chip being solid. And I think with Skoronsky, you're getting a blue chip guard or a red chip tackle, you know, and it just depends on kind of where you want to go with it. I personally see him, you know, better, you know, his skill set, his potential as an NFL player

being the most maximized inside of guard in kind of a mold of a Joe Tunney, who Joe Tuny is another guy, just a master at leverage. He's not the strongest guy. He'll get kind of driven back sometimes, but he rarely ever falls off a block. He's under control and balanced consistently, rarely ever on the ground. And he just is so good with leverage. And that's what Peter Skoransky reminds me of, just a very polished, well-rounded player. really good feet.

The only thing that he doesn't have really is length. And that's probably going to wind up kicking him inside, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him play tackle either. So, yeah, him and DeWan Jones are the two opposite ends of the spectrum in this class. And then there's some other guys in the middle we could talk about as well if you want. Yeah, Skronsky is, he's also my number one offensive line in the class. I also use a numeric scoring system. It's not the one to seven scale, but he scored very highly for me.

He does score higher for me as a tackle than he does a guard, but that's because I give positional value bumps in there. So naturally being a tackle, he's getting a little bump for that. Do you have a hard stance on this? Like should a team just immediately move him to guard, or do you think there's enough value getting a tackle out of him that maybe we try him there first, knowing we have guard as kind of an ace in the hole?

Yeah, I don't really have a hard line stance on this one with him specifically. I think he's earned the right to get a shot playing tackle. He's played really good competition in the Big Ten at tackle and he's done well. There are persistent kind of issues on tape, I think, with dealing with power. I don't think he's the most powerful guy. I think his power is more average. That's the differentiating factor with him and Rishon Slater, in my opinion. I think Rishan Slater is just a more powerful, stout dude.

It's a really rare thing that Rishan Slater has, you know, at his size. He's incredibly strong and incredibly powerful, like at an elite NFL level. I don't think Skoronsky's there. I think he's more average in those levels. His play strength is more above average. But power-wise, just sheer ability to create sudden force at the point of attack or to absorb force, you know, immediately at the point of attack. He's not quite as stout as Rishon Slater.

But, you know, I think he could work around that probably at tackle and be fine there and be a, you know, a functional, solid starter at tackle. I don't think that that's crazy to expect. But again, I just think inside, man, you're getting probably, you know, potential all pro inside. So, yeah, it just depends on maybe your offensive line room. your coaching staff and kind of how you see it. And there are situations, I think, where it would make sense, you know, for him to play tackle,

you know, in the NFL. Are there team fits for him that, you know, you think he would translate better as a tackle or a guard? Have you thought about that angle at all? Not too deep. You know, I'd probably need to, I could pull up the, you know, the draft order. But, yeah, you know, off the top of my head, you know, I don't really know. I could pull up the draft order real quick, like I said, and just, you know, kind of take a look in that, you know, top 10 to 15 round range and see, you know, what it looks like.

Yeah, I got it right here. You know, at tackle, I guess, I mean, Chicago would make sense, you know, at pick nine, you know, because they're a heavy zone, you know, offense, you know, zone-based running. scheme. They're going to rely on their guys to move laterally, you know, very efficiently. And I think Skoransky certainly does that. They kind of ran a little bit of everything in Northwestern. So, you know, he kind of has experience doing it all. But I can see Chicago making sense if, you know, they want to put him at left or right. You know, that one to me makes some sense. Potentially Tennessee as well, that can make some sense. They're just in desperate need. Both those teams really are in desperate need. Just a quality starter.

I don't really think it matters where you play Skoransky, honestly. But those two, to me, you know, in that top 15 range are probably the two that jump out most, where he could probably play tackle just because they're, you know, starved for it. Yeah, Chicago makes a lot of sense, too, because he's a local boy grew up in the area. But I'm curious to see if the Lions are going to be interested in him at all at 6. I know they've kind of set themselves up to be very fluid in this draft. and they have potentially a need at right guard. I know Hal Vaitai is coming back from the back injury.

They think he'll be okay, but they really don't know. They got Glasgow on the one-year deal, but I think they prefer Glasgow to be in that, you know, swing interior role where you can play left, right, or center. And then they have a decision coming up on Jonah Jackson at left guard. So with Decker getting a little bit older, and then all the potential moving chairs there in the interior, it seems like Scranti is a great fit because you got three different potential pathways.

the field format left guard, right guard, or left tackle or right tackle. I mean, it's a lot of opportunity there potentially for him down the road. Now, would he move the needle for them a lot of this year as a rookie? Probably not, but good teams don't think that way when they're drafting anyway. That's, you know, I'm all for the rich getting richer on the offensive line. And that's an ideal example. That would just be fun, dude. You see him at right guard, which is probably where you play in 2023.

That would be, yeah, that offensive line would be incredible to see him there. Right on. So I don't know how deep into the process you are as far as evaluating the incoming rookies, but do you have a top five set for offensive tackle? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So, you know, I'm projecting Skoronsky as a guard. So he's top overall offensive linemen in the class.

But specifically to tackle, I have Parrish Johnson, one, Broderick Jones, two, and Darnell right three. Those guys are very tightly kind of clustered. You could kind of pick or choose there. I think it's all, you know, it's ice cream at that point. It just depends on what kind of flavor you want there. But that's my order and we can get into those three. And then I have Anton Harrison and DeWan Jones as my four and five. So yeah, that's that's my top five right now. I don't foresee that changing. I still have quite a few guys to watch. But yeah, it would be a shocker right now if that top five changed. Yeah, I think our top five is very similar.

Similar. I do like Darnal Wright quite a bit. And I think Broderick Jones is perhaps being slept on a little bit by the community. I think everyone probably agrees on what he is. I think the NFL might value that more than I would say some of the draft Knicks. I could definitely see him going top 15 easily. Like Tennessee at 11, I think would be a good spot for him. What do you think about that?

Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think the NFL liking it more than, you know, the draft community makes sense because it's, it's traits, you know, physical traits with him. He checks all the boxes, height, weight, length, raw, square power. His demeanor is awesome. He's physical, nasty, very athletic. He's probably the most raw, in my opinion, of those three. But I have him slotted right in the middle of right in Johnson. because, you know, even though I think he's the most raw, I honestly think he probably,

if he goes top 15, this will be a moot point. But I think, you know, ideally he would have returned to Georgia and been the best offensive linemen in the class next year. You know, I think he could have really benefited from another year in the SEC, just kind of refining his technique because it does break down for him at times. And he has probably more ugly losses than those other. other two guys, you know, in the film that I watched. But again, his highs are very high and the traits are there. He's young. Chances are you're getting at least, you know, a solid starter and you

could potentially have a pro bowl kind of guy. I compared him to DJ Humphreys, which is kind of, you know, like I'm not crazy about DJ Humphreys, but he's a, he's a toolsy guy, moves very well, you know, top 15 left tackle, you know, and there's potential that Broderick is better than that. You know, I don't think that's crazy. So it'll be very interesting to see where he goes. Ideally, he would go to a situation where he's not the best offensive lineman in the room, which might be the case in Tennessee. I don't think that's a great position for him to develop in. But, yeah, I think it makes sense at the same time from the team's perspective. just to get a guy with a lot of upside like that.

So, yeah, very interesting to see, you know, where he's going to land, I think. Yeah, you brought up Humphreys. I think that's a great, a great nugget there. Humphreys probably defied some odds and has ended up having a very long, productive career where he's made himself some money for sure. So I like that. As far as Darnel Wright goes, do you see him as a right tackle or a left tackle? Definitely a right tackle.

That's another differentiating factor between these guys. We haven't really seen Parrish Johnson or Broderick Jones play anywhere else. I mean, we saw Paris play right guard, but we haven't seen them play right tackle. So it's a little bit of an unknown with them, but Darnell right, we have seen play left tackle and we have seen it not look as good as right. So to me, Darnell is locked in as the right tackle, which is totally fine. I don't think that that diminishes his value. very much, you know, if at all. But Darnell Wright is the guy I like the most out of these three in terms of just a stylistic

fit, you know, just with kind of what I, you know, like watching. So, and the reason for that is I think he's the most powerful offensive linemen in the class. You know, his build is pretty incredible, pretty impressive at 6.5-330 plus. Just, you know, barrel chest, big short. shoulders. His forearms and hands are powerful. When it connects and his leverage is right, I mean, guys are moving. They're getting uprooted. He's nasty as well to finish. He's a tone setter, you know, kind of guy. But the thing that sold me on him, those are all really nice, is really nice boxes to check. But the thing that really sold me on Darnell Wright is his core

strength and contact balance. So, you know, and I see that manifests itself in his ability. ability to absorb force, you know, with specifically against the bull rush, his anchoring ability is very impressive. We saw that against Will Anderson, you know, Alabama, probably a top five pick. You know, people who listen, probably know what that is. But Will Anderson, you know, the way he won as a pass rusher was speed to power, you know, running down the center of guys and creating movement at the point of attack. And don't know right, just ate his bull rush left and right, you know, anchoring on command. And, uh, when you know, guys get inside of him and kind of catch him off guard, he does a really nice job of bracing,

you know, sinking his hips, bending, and absorbing it, you know, and that really was to me why he's one of my guys in this class. So yeah, I really like Donald Wright. You know, I think he tested a little bit better than he plays in terms of athletic ability, though. I will say that. I see a, you know, a fine athlete, you know, not a concern, but I think he just tested a little bit better. His range and pass protection is good, not great. I think in the NFL on an island in specific high leverage situations against high level pass rushers who are in a wide nine, you know, way out there where he has to deal with the space and he can't dictate terms and he can't go get a guy and get hands on.

Those type of situations may give him a little bit of trouble. I think we saw that here and there on film. But, you know, that most right tackles, most left tackles in those situations are going to the variance goes up, you know, in those situations, period. But with him, I think, you know, that's kind of going to be his Achilles heel a little bit. Nothing too detrimental, but, you know, most other situations, man, I see a really good player. I compared him to Leo Collins. You know, and I'm talking 2019, Lail Collins, when Lill Collins was kicking people's butt, you know, left and right and he was probably the best run blocking, right tackle and football.

That's who I see with Donald Wright. I see a really good run blocker and a solid pass protector. Yeah, I think we see him very similarly. I wanted to ask you about the Alabama game against Will Anderson, because a lot of people bring that one up when they're talking about right. Do you, the tempo in which Tennessee plays at, do you think that helped? So I guess this isn't specific to the Alabama game, but that uptempo style, I mean, they had Alabama like scrambling for their lives in that game.

Do you think that aided right at all in those high pressure moments against top pass rushers? That's a really good question and a good point because I recently had this conversation with somebody with Wright and with Tennessee. I think it could cut both ways in terms of helping or hurting him. Another thing that I saw right on tape is in the run game, the tendency to kind of dip his head into contact and fall off blocks and whiff on guys. That will happen and it did happen. And the guy I was talking to, he mentioned that he thinks the tempo actually worked against him in that specific instance because, you know, you're just moving so fast, obviously getting winded. The tendency for technique to get a little sloppy in those situations is, you know, a little bit higher. So maybe in the NFL where he's running, you know, 15, 20 less plays, he can dial in a little bit more.

His technique can be a little bit more clean, a little bit more consistent. you know, so that to me made sense. But at the same time for the opponent and tiring out the defense and slowing down the pass rush, yeah, I think that that would make sense as well. So, you know, it depends on how you want to look at it, but I think it could definitely work both ways for his technique and then for just, you know, the pass rush, you know, just kind of the juice, you know, that the pass rushers have having to go after it, you know, consistently like that.

So, yeah. And another point about Darnell that I really liked, his best competition this year were his best games. And that's always a great box to check. Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Clemson, those four tapes for Darnell Wright. He faced NFL guys in pretty much all those tapes. And those were his best games. So you love to see that. Totally agree.

He's also a guy who got better from 21 to 22 as well, which, you know, trajectory-wise, that's always a good thing. All right. I know we got to get you out of here and get moving on. So before we let you go, though, how about we run through your top five interior guys really quickly? I know we already talked Skoranski so we can move on from him. But who are your next four after him? Yeah. So my next guy, I think my top guard in this class, he's in the same bucket as somebody else.

But TCU, left guard, Steve Avila, you know, I see him as like a second round player, you know, not an impact starter, but an immediate starter. I think that's the correct way to look at him. I compared him to Larry Warford, you know, former Saints Guard, Lions Guard. I just think a solid starter. You know, he's big, you know, 6-3-340. The thing about him, though, is he has lighter feet than you would think. He moves pretty well. Plays with good control, good posture.

You know, he has some good performances against good competition. His game against Michigan and Macy Smith was an incredible battle between two just powerful dudes. Each kind of won their fair share in that game. That's a great one to watch. But, you know, in talking to him too, there's something about him, you know, that I really like in terms of his processing ability, his understanding of what's going on around him. I could just see him carving out a nice, steady kind of starter career. So he's my top guard.

And then John Michael Schmitz is my top center. High level wrestler, and it's all over his film. I mean, he's just a guy who understands leverage at a high level. Good run blocker, solid pass protector, you know, tone setting kind of guy. A lot of experience. I think he's going to be able to hit the ground running. He kind of reminds me of Ben Jones, you know, former Titans center. So those are my top two guard and centers.

assuming, you know, Skoronsky, you know, is out of the conversation. And then after that, Osiris Torrance, kind of, you know, him and the Vila, or, you know, kind of pick or choose there, very similar kind of players. I just think Vila has a little bit better body control than Torrance. Torrance is more of just kind of a more, more aggressive, more, I don't like using the term mauler a lot, but just more of the maller kind of guy, Vela, there's a little bit more control there. And then after that, I'd probably go Cody Malk or Joe Tipman. I mean, it's, yeah, it's pick or choose there as well. I can make the case for either guy. You know, Cody Malk,

I think it's going to be a pretty steep, you know, transition into the NFL from the competition he faced in the FCS. That's going to be a question. Plus, he's switching positions most likely as well. So maybe not right away, but year two and three, I think Cody Mow could be a solid starter. And then Same thing with Joe Tipman, even though he played in the Big Ten, not a whole lot of experience, only a two-year starter. High-end athletic ability, a great mover at 6-6-315, rare. But at the first level, leverage, play strength, inconsistent, he's on the ground too much. Reminds me a lot of Josh Myers, the center for the Packers and out of Ohio State. Similar strengths and weaknesses there, but there's a lot of upside there with Joe Tipman, for sure.

So those would be my guys, I think, that I'd mention on the interior. Nice. Cody Mouk has like, you know, he's a taller guy. He's got relatively, I mean, they're shorter arms, but they're above the 32-inch threshold. Are you a 32 guy or a 33 guy, by the way, for tackle? Tackle, I mean, I lean towards 33, man. Yeah. There's only like, what, three starters in the league playing below 33, and, you know, none of them are really

good except Braden Smith and yeah it's just that's steep man it's tough to to get there there's not a lot of precedent for it I don't think it's impossible but I I think the 33 cutoff is what I prefer a tackle yeah okay yeah so he definitely profiles as a guard then by those standards yeah that I'm curious and I felt like he had a really good week at senior bowl week he kind of played like all five positions and I would say he did so you know relatively well yeah yeah I just love the guy's vibes, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can't beat it.

I mean, yeah. I'd love to see him in a Viking uniform just because he looks like a Viking. Oh, man. That'd be classic. Absolutely. I agree. Well, awesome, Brandon. That's going to do it, man.

Thanks again for coming on the podcast. Guys, listeners, go check him out. He's at Brandon Thorne, NFL on Twitter, trench warfare newsletter, bleach a report, established the run. He's all over the place. You can find his work literally everywhere. He is a master. mind. Thank you for coming on the show, Brandon.

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