Fantasy Football Daily - Selling Veteran RBs Is a LIE + Dynasty Stashes | Dynasty Points Market Report

Episode Date: February 22, 2025

Dynasty fantasy football never sleeps, so you shouldn't either. Today, we talk about our favorite dynasty stashes and why selling veteran RBs for picks is a big lie! For The Dynasty Points Market Report. Sign up here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans Where to find us: http://twitter.com/DynastyPts http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/Andy_Buckler FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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advice. Today, Buck, we are taking down the selling your veteran running backs theory, and we are combating it with some actionable advice and a little bit of context. rounding that strategy. It's overblown. It's over talked about we are going to get to the nitty gritty of the whole thing. Can it be done? How do you do it? Are you or are you not past the time? It should have been done, et cetera. Lots to talk about with it. We've had a couple of weeks away from the market report, but we're back. On top of that, today we are talking about dynasty stashes. This is something we have been asked about quite a bit. We're going to do it today a little bit more of an in-depth dive, not just one here or there.

We got a disagreement on this one. So I look forward to that one. With that said, Buck, Dynasty Points, Market Report, you have been putting in some time on the main show, on YouTube, drop in birthdays and obscure MBA references. Back to back to the market report. I'm happy we're back to it. It's just a different vibe, right? Market report and dynasty points are, you know,

two branches of the same tree, but they're very different branches, I feel like. Just a different vibe here on this show. A little more ruthless, I might say. But let's talk about it. We both saw our own Scott Barrett, the goat, mention to sell every veteran running back for as many rookie picks as you can get.

And this kind of sparked a conversation between the two of us because I feel like we're probably a little bit more dialed in to the day to day in dynasty than maybe Scott would be. And we've noticed that you can't. You can't sell your veteran running back. So this kind of ticked us off a little bit. let's not ticked us off i won't say ticked us off scott's obviously the goat but this sentiment kind of drives us insane because we see this every year throughout twitter and in the fantasy

space just kind of like an obligatory blanket yeah sell your running backs get picks and restock it's never actually just that simple yeah so i i had a tweet about that and my tweet was sell all your vet running backs what does that actually mean though because there's not enough good ones that actually matter and the ones that are valuable aren't getting replaced. So who are you supposed to sell them for what? No one is kicking down the door to buy Connor and Pollard. And then my second tweet was just a useless thought exercise that one doesn't really happen. Two, has been a thing in dynasty for years. And three, good luck selling your fringe vet running back to anything of value because the same reason you want to sell them the person buying them also knows why you're selling them.

And I wanted to elaborate on that a little bit. And basically what I mean by all the good ones that are actually valuable aren't getting replaced. That means I really think there's only like five running backs that really matter in Dinocry right now. That's Gibbs, Bejohn, Devon A. Chan. And then, and then, like, Sequin Barclay is valued as a top five running back. And then whoever RB5 is, those guys aren't getting replaced. They're not.

So my other point is, who are we supposed to sell then if we need to sell over running backs? Because if you go to the aging vets like Pollard and Connor, no one's buying them. People buy them for a second in season when they're actually. scoring points. So you're not selling them now. So if you're a contender, you're better off buying those players or just holding them. And three, the other running backs, like maybe the fringe six to 12 running backs, look at, I would say the two, like, big ones here is like, oh, you should sell the running backs

that, like, if a running back gets nuked that we don't expect, like, say a Kenneth Walker, that's the guy, he's already suppressed in value already in general. He's already a six-round startup pick, sometimes a seventh-round startup pick, depending on a room. He's a back end RB1. He's like RB12 to RB 14. So if you sell him for at his suppressed value already because you're expecting him to get replaced, then you're selling him a suppressed value off of being scared and scared money don't make no money. So when he doesn't get replaced, then you just sold him at a discount for nothing and there is no reason to sell him. That's the same thing. That goes for Chase Brown too. He's already priced in a possible getting replaced.

He's the one that I would sell more than Kenneth Walker, but he's already priced in. There's just not enough good running back. So we have the super old aging guys like Pollard and Connor that no one's selling anyway because you can't get value for them when the season's going. Like I said, you have the super elites of Gibbs and Bijan, no one's selling them because they're not getting replaced. And you have that little mid tier where we're just selling off of just being nervous. Like there's going to be a couple running backs that don't, that just survive the draft, especially those guys. So if we look at maybe like who's like what's a running back that could get nuked that we don't expect. Like what is the biggest name that can get nuked that would be like like really turn something like really turn heads.

I don't know. I would say probably the biggest like chance and maybe like it's a 10% chance. Probably Breeze Hall. That's in like the top eight. Maybe that's like the biggest craziest one. Really be shocked to see Kenneth Walker get replaced. Really shocked to see Devon A. Chan get nuked. So when you're selling those like like I said, those like mid tier younger top 12 running backs, like,

what are you selling them for and why? Because you're only selling them in case they get replaced. And you'll just sell, if Kenneth Walker, if they draft a round three running back, his price will just be what it is now. He's already too cheap. It's not like he's a third round startup pick. So you're kind of getting scared of nothing. So that's why I don't get because it's like a cool thing to say, like it's easy

content, like I go sell all your running backs before the rookie track. We've been doing that in Dynasty since 2018. This isn't anything new. But there's no buyers. There's nothing to sell them for. and everyone who's you're wanting to sell them knows why you're selling them. So it just doesn't make any sense. And at the end of the day,

and probably the biggest point here is there's not enough good running backs and dynasty in general. We have four super elites, one guy who's the fifth running back who's 28 years old and definitely not getting replaced because he just won the Super Bowl. And then we have a couple guys in the 612 range that already are suppressed. So who are you selling and what are we selling them for? So that is my, I guess, my main point here.

And when you look at things like, where they go in drafts for ADP, right? You got guys like Josh Jacobs and Cook all going before the 104. Christian McCaffrey going before the 105, right, Chase Brown going before 106. Then Derek Henry and Ken Walker, like you mentioned, going before the 107,

or sorry, he's also going before the 106. So it's like, go and send Derek Henry for the 106, The person that has the 106 is probably not looking to buy Derek Henry. That's the other part of it. Who is buying veteran running back? It's people that think they can't compete. Who already has veteran running backs? The guys that are trying to compete already.

So there's only a few instances, whether people have those picks via trade, they're stocking up, they're looking to make a run. that are even looking to move picks for veteran running backs. This is an in-season thing. This is something you needed to be prepared for in season. You needed to take the risk that you are moving that production, which people don't want to do. Oh, I don't want to move Derek Henry.

You are only selling Derek Henry for a late-ish first in season. We saw it 1-08 to the 112 was probably the, but no one was moving a potential 103 for Derek Henry. That just didn't have. If it did happen in your league, cool. But we always talk about this isn't about not in my league situations or in my league situations. That's not what we care about here.

These players that are buying veteran running backs already have late picks. And you're not, you're not getting 104 for Christian McCaffrey anymore. you might get something like that for like a James Cook if somebody has multiple picks and they want a running back maybe Josh Jacobs maybe but these early picks are guys already like I'll just draft a running back like let's look at it in some mock drafts there are three running backs going in the first round some other mock drafts I've seen up to four running backs being taken in the first two rounds if there are four or five running backs going in the first two rounds the first round of drafts is going to be running backs. So the people that have those picks that want to take a running back are just going to take these high draft capital, high production college backs because this class for years has been talked about for its running back depth.

And it's why I said I don't love classes whose top assets are running backs. This is a running back tight end defensive line draft. You've already been preparing for this for years. And if you're new to Dynasty and maybe you haven't been, this is a good learning curve for you. But when we see things like sell your vet running backs through picks, where? And who's buying?

Because the people that have the picks to spare generally aren't buying running backs. They want to re-roll them anyway. Or they've already planned ahead, like we said. Or they're contenders that are wanting to buy and they already got them. It's a really, look, the idea is, right, but the packaging that it's sold in is wrong.

And there's just, like, if James Connor gets nuked, he has no value to lose. He has no value. You can't sell him right now anyway. So that's, no one's trying to buy those guys, like I said, only in season. So that's basically my thing is I don't think there's enough good running backs that there's a chance that all the running backs in the top 12 could come out this draft unscathed because all the teams with the aging running backs are the ones that draft running backs, like teams that we already don't care about. The Steelers, Najee's probably going to leave. He doesn't have any value anyway.

The Cardinals probably don't draft running back with them. The Vikings. Like all those teams have old running backs that don't even have dynasty value anyway. So there's a chance at all, even in the mocks, most of the times it's those teams picking the running backs anyway. Yeah, there are always, there's always a surprise team, right? People thought Jacksonville was a surprise because they already had James Robinson when they drafted ETN. The rumors that the Jets were trying to replace.

or add a running back in the first round to go with briefs and they added two rookies. There's always like a surprise team that could draft a running back that does annoy us. Yeah, there'll be one. I just think the landscape is way different this year. This year, I don't know. If there was one that would like really shock me outright, it'd be like the cults drafting a running back in round two because they can't go into a season with like Trey Sermin as their backup. because Taylor misses too much time.

Like, I could see that and it being annoying, but it's not like Taylor's getting outright replaced. So it's like his value would take a hit, sure. But the person that has Taylor is not selling him with that impression. It's just not happening. Now, in drafts, yes, in drafts, this is the best time to get draft picks according to Dynasty Data Lab for February. Now, in the leagues that I've been drafting in,

these picks do not go this late. 107 is not going in the seventh round. 103 is not a fourth round pick in a lot of these leagues because there's always the guys that just stack like six picks in the first 10 rounds when they're being drafted. So this is one of those times where ADP does not match trade value because often we talk about ADP being something that is a predictor for trade value,

not the case with these picks right now. outright. So again, I think the idea is always sound. But as we've mentioned, numerous times, dynasty managers are just getting smarter. They're looking ahead more, which is why I always talk about going get 26s and 27s because then you're not in this predicament. You already have the picks ahead of time. You need to stay ahead because the market's catching up. So the idea that's being sold for selling running backs, great idea, terrible packaging, terrible packaging. And it, it is just really easy content click stuff to put out there. It's not really actionable in the dynasty environment in 2025.

Generally, people do need to hear it for sure. We do get questions asked about should I sell that's running back for this pick. It's just how often, A, is it selling just to sell and B, how often is it actually worth it in real leagues? So I feel that's a good lead in.

I think we hit that pretty, pretty on the nose. You have anything seen? I don't know if that needs any more than that. So with that being said, we're going to take a quick break. And we come back, we're going to talk some dynasty stashes. you're not going to want to go anywhere.

One of the things we get asked about a lot, Buck, are dynasty stashes, players that people should be picking up late in drafts. You have it down here as 14 plus. I think one of the players I have here goes a little bit before that. I'd have to double check. But it's important because, yes, these guys rare that they hit. But if they do, these are some of the most valuable picks. you can have. It's why I target late round quarterback, late round running backs that could

possibly get any playing time. These are important players to be drafting. You have some really good ones here and one that I disagree with. So I am excited to dive in. Let's start with your first stash. This is 14 plus rounds into a startup. Let's talk about your number one. My number one is a wider

sewer from the Miami Dolphins, Malik Washington. He was a rookie this season. He's the wider seer 70, pick 2.14 in startups right now. And his, I just want to talk about his final call to season. He was a 24-year-old rookie. He went to Virginia. But he was a

round pick last year. His final college season, he had 111-11 receptions, was his first in his class, 13-184 receiving yards, second in his class, 710 yards after the catch, third in his class, his yards route run was 3.15, which was 12, mistackles force. He was first, 35, and he had a 35.6% target share, which is 98th percentile. I think the two most important stats here with that are his yards after a catch and his mistackles force, because we know Mike McDaniel and the dolphins really love the yards after the catch, the players that can work after the catch. He's proved he can do it in the NFL so far when he got a chance, he got some run at the end of the season. He had 16 catches on 20 targets over his final four weeks. He had 40 plus yards and at least five,

at least five targets in three of his final four games. And from weeks 15 to 18, he had a 19% target throughout run and a 14% target share, which maybe in the grand scheme doesn't look great, but he was operating the slot with Tyra Kill and Jalen Wato both healthy. And he was still being able to get a 14% target share as a rookie with his first real run. He is a super undersized. He's five foot nine. But I think there's a chance he comes into the season as a starter on the Dolphins and maybe something happens with Tyrick Hill. Maybe they trade him. Maybe he goes to his preferred industry that he would like to change after his career. Maybe he starts an early start on that, like he said to Mike Evans in his stream,

be a goal be a porn star like he said. Maybe that happens this year. But I think Malik Washington really interesting because he's a year-two wide receiver and he's basically free. We want to take shots on players that we haven't completely seen yet, and we haven't seen be bad or good yet. He goes around players like Zach Ertz and Austin Eckler, players that we like know what they are, that maybe Austin Echler is, you know, RB35 next year, and he gives you seven points. But he's done. He's not going to grow in any value. Mliq Washington has a real chance. I think this is actually a good year for Stashes. And he's one of my favorites because I think he could actually grow into a role.

Maybe he is, you know, like a 10 or 11 point per game wide receiver that's super free. And he's a legitimate good prospect. He was a better prospect to me than some of the guys that went on day two like Ricky Piersall. Ricky Piersall was an old prospect, transfer, somehow got first round in Capitol. I don't think Malik Washington really much different than him and other guys that went in day two like Jalen McMillan. So I think this is a good prospect here that was really good to see him get legitimate

run towards the end of the season. He was building a role for himself, so I think that could continue in the year too. He's just one of those players that, again, he's so free. I've seen recent trades as Malik Washington or the 304. I've seen the 308 for Malik and Marvin Mims, Austin Echler for Malik and Michael Mayer, the 304 and the 502, that's got to be an IDP thing, for Malik. So he's definitely attainable. Like he's one of those players that's an afterthought for most people

if you want to trade for him. I don't know if I'm trading a third round pick to get him. He's more of a player that I want as a throw-in instead of like, yeah, send me that fourth round pick. Maybe, hey, maybe send Malik over to me. I don't know if I'm just straight up giving a third-round pick for him, but some people might. I think he's a fine stash.

It's hard to really poke holes instead. dashes that go this late. So I'm going to agree. I like the price. I like everything you laid out. Good stash. Who's next? Second stash I got A.J. Barner, another rookie.

He was a tight end for the Seahawks. He was out of Michigan, fourth-round pick. He was drafted kind of as a blocking tight end. And he kind of right out of the gate for Seattle, earned a real role as a pass catcher. And I think kind of blew out of the water. what people expected him out of the passing game. I thought he just looked really good.

He's super athletic. He's the tied-in 33, picked 242. He had 30 catches, which is the most by a Seahawks' tight ends to 2008. This is obviously he was playing in a part-time role until Fan got hurt. Fan could be a June 1st cut. He was on a two-year deal. He has an out after this year. They could save like $8 million cutting him.

Say it's honestly probably likely that he isn't a Seahawk next year. So I like him. We've seen it a lot with tight ends. obviously it takes a long time. And if we're talking about like stashes that are 15th to 16th round picks, tight ends probably the one where the biggest hit rate I would come from, I would say. Right? You see guys like Jake Ferguson, who wasn't doing anything for years and he was free.

And then he became the starter. There was a guy, Dalton Schultz, so there's another Cowboys head end like that that happened. Dalton Schultz, John Hussmith, this past season. We see them every year. And this is a, you know, a young player only going into a second season. season, who hasn't even played a lot of football. He really hasn't played a lot of actually, like, being a receiving tight end. And he automatically gained a role out of, like, Fant was one of the favorites, you know, former first round pick. He took, you know, he was playing 50% in the

snaps off of Fant already in his rookie season. So if they do keep Fant, like I said, I expect them not to. I think Barner could just open the season as a starter for the, for Seattle. And he's super free. Like I said, tied in 33, 242. That's like one of your last picks. And most of Most of our leagues are obviously tied-end premium. So I really like him. I think he could earn targets and be a guy that's like, you know, Dalton Schultz from a couple years ago where he's just like racking up five for 50s and you get him for free and you can throw him in your tight end.

You don't have to spend an 11th around pick on a guy like Kate Aten, who was another guy who was super free, you know, two years ago. And that happened. You can just get A.J. Barner for the same price and get the same points for a game. Yeah, I always found tight end too is the position that if you hit, you can turn it around for the highest value of the fastest. look at guys like Dulcich who was a late round pick

got spiked up in dynasty value Mike Gisicki years ago was nobody Chig Gisicki made it all the way up to Dynasty Titan 4 and 5 in some spots you can hit on these guys

and if they produce at all you're going to make your money back and then some like let's say Barner goes out and improves on this season with the new staff and everything. And he gets 45 catches. You're getting a second round pick for him. You just are 45, 50 catch it.

Like, you're going to. You know how I know that? Because you can get a second round pick for Conklin in some spots from tight end needy teams. It's not that hard to get tight end 12 production. So it's not, it's not that hard to see a path for some of these late round tight ends to pay you back with that.

I wouldn't rule out guys like Barner being somebody that produces like Pat Firmuth next year. And you'd be like, oh my God, Pat Farmouth, he was the top, whatever, 13. I don't know, actually know where he finished, but he, you know, big time top 10 dynasty tight end. Who cares? It's like Titan 12, gave you your steady three for 45. Sometimes he scored. It's not that hard. But those players are still valuable when you get them right.

it just does he have the upside. That I don't know. Will Seattle maintain that insane pass rate over expected? I don't know. I have no idea. Could Gino Smith be finally benched forever? I don't know. He didn't play phenomenally last year.

He's on the last year of his deal. He's getting older. Some question marks for sure. But it's worth it because there's no risk. You're talking about a player that gives you no risk. down here at this spot. So I like this one. I like this one.

This is another good one. Let me look at some of the trades for Barner. We have got Chigacanquo for Marshaun Lloyd and A.J. Barner. That's easy. Yeah. We've got Isaiah Davis for A.J. Barner. I almost didn't know who that was, but that's a jets running back. I just drafted him in like the 23rd round of the startup we are in.

We've just got some crazy ones that's not, they're not real trades with some of these. He's, he's a throwing piece. He's a throwing. He's even cheaper than Malik Washington because he is. He might be on there. Exactly. So I agree. This is another, I'm going to rate this another good stash.

This is another good stash. Let's move to the next one. Who do you got? I got Jordan Mason. ADP of RB 49, pick 204. He's six positional spots behind Grendo. Grendo goes to RB 43. I think at this point, Jordan Mason is the forgotten backup.

He was worth an early second at his peak when McAfrey got hurt. Now he's free. And I think ADP has often been wrong on handcuffs in the past. So I would pick as Mason over Isaac Grendo. There's also another piece on Mason that I think could be really interesting, is that he's a restricted free agent. I thought I actually had to check this. I thought he was an exclusive rights free agent, which you don't know what that is.

It's usually like guys like Gus Edwards and Baltimore was an exclusive rights free agent. It means there's basically like no way they can leave a team. Like their team has the rights for them. Like it's really rare that they actually get to leave. I thought he was an exclusive rights free agent, but he's not. He's just a restricted free agent, which still they can throw a tender on him, like a fifth round tender. And then they would get to match every offer. I obviously don't think there's going to be a huge, you know, market for Jordan Mason.

But if someone decides to throw him like a one-year, million. I don't think 49ers match it and we get a chance that he goes somewhere and actually plays. But if he just ends up back where he's at, which I expect at this point, I think he'd be the lead backup in San Francisco where he's thrived with an aging CMC. And like, he's super free. Like I said, RB 49, the 204th pick. I just want to take shots on running backs like this as much as I can, especially a guy who's shown that he can actually play. I was going to bring up his points per game because I know at the end of his little tender end of his run as a starter it did dip down. He was like barely breaking 10 points for game because he wasn't getting the passing down's work.

So I know that happened. But still you can get him, you know, as the RB 50. And if he does get the job again and he only scores nine points per game, I mean, that's still a win. And we do have that upside where McAfrey gets hurt again. Looks like Jordan Mason's a starter. We know that he can get traded for early second. He wasn't even going for late first at points of last season. So I like Mason as a stash.

I do think it can go wrong maybe with Grendo beating him out, but I kind of expect him not to because I don't know. It took Mason to get hurt for Grendo to really even see a role and it was still a small one. And like I said, if someone did pick up Mason as a restricted free agent, they throw him a decent little chunk of change to go be somewhere. It's even more of a smash pick. See, as much as I like Garendo more, which is where the disagreement comes in, you can just draft them both

if you really wanted to. You don't really have to make this kind of decision. For me, though, I don't think it's close. I think Garendo's a better pass catcher. I think we saw that. Jordan Mason caught 11 passes all last year. Garando caught 15 in his limited time. Garando scored 94.2 fantasy points.

Jordan Mason scored 115. So it wasn't like Mason did anything to really separate himself. Now, week one against the Jets looked really good week four against New England looked phenomenal week two even Minnesota but it's like 12 12 10 10

then he did nothing he barely got touches I believe he was banged up and then he got 10 and then he missed the rest of the year after week 13 so he doesn't show anything explosive or anything like that so I think it's an upside case for him being limited, whereas I like Garendo because he is such an explosive runner.

Like he is and any touch can go tight back. He was at Louisville and I loved him as a rookie. Obviously, if you listen to any Dynasty Points content, you'd know I've been pro Garendo the entire draft process. But you are right. ADP is often super wrong on these backups.

Mitchell could be back. We don't know. And if Mitchell is back, I mean, none of these guys can stay healthy. You're betting on three backups now that are just walking band-aids. But I prefer to take the explosive upside player more than the steady, fat-ass plotter. And I think Jordan Mason is a fat-ass plotter. Those guys do seem to last longer in the league, though, than these explosives. of guys.

I don't mind the stash because he is so free. And you don't often have to really, if you really want that 49ers backup, like if you really want them, you don't have to make a decision, you can take them both. So I don't mind the play here. I don't mind the playoff playing off of them. I'll give, I can give a slight edge to Jordan Mason's number. His swag is a little better than Garando, but Garando does wear the double arm tape. so we got to give we got to give a swag bonus to garendo with the with the double turf tape down the arm

but the number 24 is a swag you're running back number the number 31 so there are 31 is terrible yeah if if if drip is a factor then mason does get a bump but for play style and the things that i like i choose garendo here but i think it's i i'm going to rate it good stash this is this is a matt donnelly mustache of stash this is a this is a matt donnelly mustache of stash Yeah, and even if he, even if Mason, like, like you just said, the 49er running backs get hurt so much that there, they'll be, I mean, we were starting, well, maybe you guys weren't, but I was starting Patrick Taylor and a lot of leagues. Of course, so there's a chance, even if Mason gives you a game or two at RB 50, it's a steal. So that's why I like him. And like I said, that added factor of the restricted free agent where maybe, you know, the 49ers are super strapped with money that a little one year, four. You know, million dollar offer could really be all it takes for a team to get him off of the 49ers because they probably don't want to pay an RB2 or RB3, 4 million or even 3 million because they just they're super shot for cash. So he might just be able to end up his way on a new team and be like

2025 Rico Dowdle, maybe. So my next dash is another fat ass running back that actually has no swag at all. But that's that's that's ich. Estime. Oh yeah, zero swag. Adrick Sime from the Denver Broncos, his rookie last season. If you notice, a lot of my stats are second year players, guys like that, guys that we just haven't fully seen that maybe are pretty much like all post-type sleepers, not year six, seven, eight guys, which, you know, that happens. Those could be fine too. But most of the time we know what guys are after year five, year six.

So I want to take shots on players like this. So we just haven't fully seen yet. Adric Sime, RB, pick 203. his stats last season, 76 carries for 310 yards, five carries for 27 yards, 337 total yards and two touchdowns. He's super young. He was a super raw player coming out of Notre Dame. That was one of his things that people hated on to him because he's super raw,

but he's only 21 years old. His birthday is actually September 6th, a day after mine. He would be 22 to start the season. He was somewhat, like, I think we're double counting the raw stuff. We expected him to be super raw and not play right away, so he's super wrong, he doesn't play right away, and now we just double count it. It seems like Sean Payton likes him. I do know he was inactive in the playoff game, which definitely concerning.

But if there ever was another, if there was a 2025 Kairn Williams, I think it's Adrick Estime, I think, and they're also the same school. I think it just fits, right? I think a couple years ago, a guy like Ajik Estimate is a second round, worth a second round rookie pick because Javante Williams is a second round. washed and going to be gone. Jill O'Glockland is not going to ever take over a legitimate role. And Adric Esmey sits the top of this fake debt chart that's here on February 21st. It doesn't exist.

They're probably going to add a running back, but maybe they don't. And maybe they just or maybe they add a round five, round six guy. Or maybe they add an older free agent because, you know, Sean Payton keeps talking about, you know, the Joker role. And maybe Ojcich Esamay just comes out of nowhere and just sits atop this depth chart and just makes it out like Rico Dowto last year, just randomly makes it out of the draft, and he's the RB one for the Dallas Cowboys by default, or Kyra Williams two years ago, literally just like this, a 22nd round pick, didn't do anything his rookie season, got hurt, barely played, was a healthy

scratch, and then he just makes it out of the thing, and he just makes it out of the draft in the offseason, he's a starter. And I think would estimate, I mean, you could pick him, I picked him, I think, in the 22nd round. He's super free, super young player, like I said, only 22 to start the season. season. I think it's just a good shot because at the very worst, Adrick Esmei is on the Broncos roster to start the season. And, you know, it's any running back on a 52 man roster at this point with all injuries and everything. So I really like him as a stash just because maybe something could happen. And again, if he doesn't, if he does get replaced in the draft,

there's a chance he'll get a couple starts in the season. You could sell him for a third round pick. He goes, I think, after all, the rookie picks are off the board. So he's super free. Yeah, anyone on the roster is someone we want. Even if they add a running back, maybe he's the backup. He doesn't offer a lot in the passing game for what we saw, but like you said, there is a world where he plays, and if he plays, he's

valuable. So I like it. Free is free. Free is my favorite price. So I'll take it. This is a good stash. I'll call this a good stash. And I have one more, and I have on here, Malachi Corley, and I have Hear Me Out. No, absolutely.

So I will not hear you out. I don't care. I've heard me how Malachi Corley. So Malachi Corley and another guy, Super Rock coming out of college. And he had no. He had no route tree, small school. He's 22 years old.

He'll be 23 next month. He had no route tree. We knew that coming out. We kind of double counted it. He didn't get to get on the field a lot because Aaron Rogers, you know, he's a young player and he couldn't really get open because he's a gadget guy, even though they talked really early in camp, Connor Hughes on Twitter, talked that they looked like they were going to have a

legitimate role for him. And it didn't play out. He got that touch in the Texans game and he fumbled it when he should have scored. And then he never saw the field again. But I think there's just a chance Corley opens up as a wide receiver three. There's a wide receiver three for the Jets. And maybe he's, you know, a guy who can get like 700 yards or something. Similar to Cedric Tillman last year, a rookie who didn't get to play a lot, comes out,

earns a role, even to a lesser extent, Jalen Tolbert, right? This isn't a huge ceiling, but it's something. It's free to 700 yards of something. Even Calvin Austin, those guys are just decent little prospects that you like. They didn't get to see the field year one, got super, super nuked, and now they're super free. I like taking shots on him because I think maybe if there's a chance at like a Cedric Tillman of 2025 or Kobe Malachi Corley.

I know everyone hated him, like I said, because of his gadgets. I actually liked him. I thought he was like super like nice on film with like with the ball in his hands. Even though a lot of it was gadgety and it was fake, like he made a lot of stuff happen after the catch. And I think the Jets could, they're going to cut Lazard. So there's a chance he opens up as a wider receiver 3.

And maybe he gives you like a Jalen Tolbert type little stretch and you could throw him in your flex or you could sell him. Again, not not a player that obviously costs anything and a player that we haven't seen yet. Only a year two. There's going to be, there's year two receivers that do nothing a year. one and pop up all the time. So I think if there is one, it would be corly. So I like just picking him later, throwing a fourth or throwing a fourth round or pick at him or even getting out the way or why. He's a player that's probably going to be dropped in most leagues after people make their rookie

picks. He's probably going to be like a casualty in a bunch of leagues. I would pick him up. I'll pass, but that one I'm not doing. I won't go there. You know, he does have a limited route tree. He also has limited talent and limited hands. And when you lack the simple basics you need, to play the position you were drafted for, you're going to have a bad time. I can't do it with them. And maybe it's the Jets, social media team posting a highlight clip

of a guy fumbling and bumbling around with a swing pass that I can't get past. But new regime, the old regime, we can all agree is bad, saw enough. And we're trotting. out old ass garbage players, I can't do it. I respect your hustle and your grind and your look at

like the bottom of these boards. I can't. I can't bring myself to do it. It would make me sick a little bit. If he does anything though, I'll be sick to my stomach because I'm going to have to hear you talk about how you are right on Malachi Corley. And I know you'll remember this. You'll remember this conversation December of next year, if he scores one touchdown in like week 14, like, I told you, guess what? You'll send me a screenshot. You started him for some reason. The one game, he goes two catches for five yards of touchdown.

I needed, I needed those eight points, bro. I need him to get running back eligibility. Then I'd be in. I'm talking about a running back. I'd be in. I mean, he catches a football like a running back. He runs routes like a running back. I mean, hey, maybe he is Debo light.

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I don't know if they add another running back. The second running back on this team can be valuable. Jalen Wright, fast, can catch passes in a good offense. He's worth a stash. He's still very cheap. he's a little bit harder to trade for at least in my experience I have not been able to

acquire him in any league that I am in but Alec Pearson a 27 third I would just rather have Jalen Wright the Marvin Mims and Jalen Wright is tough I would rather have Mims in that case but you want to pick either way I wouldn't blame you and a lot of these other ones

he's a throwin. Jonathan Brooks and the 204 or Cedric Tillman and Jalen Wright. What was the trade again? Jonathan Brooks and the 204 or make sure I say that correct for people or

Cedric Tillman and Jalen Wright. I'll take the 204. I would agree. Yeah. I would agree. Poor Jonathan Brooks, man. He's just, he's an afterthought throwin in on these deals. but yeah it's a tough call with him but he's definitely acquirable it's a little harder though because the people that have him are getting the same news about Rahim Mostert they probably drafted him

in the second round or early third round in draft last year and we're holding on for this moment so he's a little bit tougher but he is on my list I'm also going to list Christian Kirk Christian Kirk did not suffer a catastrophic knee injury. He did not suffer some horrendous long term. He heard his groin on a really bad Trevor Lawrence throw or his hip. One of those two. It was a beautiful catch. I know because I started him that week.

What did you say, sorry? I thought it was his shoulder. I know he heard his grind. I thought that was last year. I'll check. You can keep talking. I'll get it. He broke his collarbone.

The groin thing was a year before. Christian Kirk All I know is that it was on a terrible Trevor Lawrence throw of course Christian Kirk's only 28 he is athletic he plays the slot which is a fantasy friendly

position he can win shallow and deep in a class that's not super well respected amongst the fantasy community and from everything I read the NFL community now he might be back with Jacksonville

Trevor Lawrence has said he wants him back I don't know if he actually will be there's some contract stuff they can save money cutting him he could be a cut and then get brought back type candidate for me if he lands back in Jacksonville obviously want him to play the slot there

especially with Ingram being on the last year of his deal gave Davis his ass I think there's just an opportunity for Christian Kirk there. Or he can go to any other team that needs a wide receiver, which is a lot of them. Looking at you, Vegas. I'm looking at you, New England. I'm looking at you. Well, Cincinnati's bringing T. Higgins back on the franchise tag. But otherwise, I could say, I'm looking at you, Cincinnati. Looking at you, Dallas. There are so many teams that could use the Rams. There are so many teams that could use a wide receiver with his experience and his play style. He blocks. He does

everything well. I mean, the Cardinals, everyone laughed when the Cardinals let him walk, right? But Jacksonville, he was very good in his first year in Jacksonville. He was the wide receiver 11, got 84 past 1100 yards, eight touchdowns. He's had injuries in back-to-back years. He's also been playing with Trevor Lawrence. When he plays, he's been a year. He's been a year. He's been a usable asset. Now he's a predictable asset, right? Man in zone coverage. He's a slot player. You know when to start him and when not to. But he's so cheap in drafts. He's often a very much forgotten about player. I like picking him up because I think he's a good NFL wide receiver. He's a good fantasy producer. And I like having him on my rosters.

Yeah, me too. I like that one. He was a, I got snipe for him in the startup in the 15th, round. He went right before me. I think he's super cheap, super talented player that's been good in the past. Also, before he broke his collarbone last year, very, very close to getting traded to the chiefs at the deadline, it seemed. That was all the reports. Or just traded in general, but he went at the Chiefs really close and they ended up doing the DeAndre Hopkins deal. So different world, that DeAndre Hopkins spot was going to be Christian Kirk for the rest of the season. And then he definitely wouldn't be this free. So they had interest in him last year. Maybe they have interest in him again if he gets cut.

So I definitely interested in him. I think he's way, way too cheap. That probably could be a player that's like a plug-and-play flex player for you and like start. Hopefully you're not playing Star 11 because Star 11 sucks. But it should be good and start, Ted. He's going after Quinn Johnson, Jalen Coker, Stefan Diggs, Romeo Dobbs, Hollywood Brown, A.D. Mitchell, Wondale. He's going around guys like DiMario Douglas and Troy Franklin.

now I it is insane but just another one here just a free one is Keenan Allen wide receiver 66 is fucking disrespectful Keenan Allen was good last year with everything he was given the shitty offense

the shitty quarterback play the shitty role Keenan Allen outplayed wide receiver 66 this is super disrespectful for a guy that was hurt last year. Oh, he's fat, he's fat, he's fat. He didn't look too fat, absolutely cooking DB is left, right and center, downfield and short. He's definitely going to get signed somewhere to play football. Why receiver 66 is disrespectful? It's just disrespectful.

I agree. That's crazy to me. There's so many teams I'm going to need that motherfuckers starting in my flex spot. But that was a free one. I just looking at the board and it kind of ticked me and my last one is going to be Spencer Rattler. I'm going to buy Spencer Rattler in drafts. And I'm going to check in to see how free he is. There's already been talked by Kellyn Moore kind of shrugging off the Derrick Carr being the starter. He kind of gave the Derek Carr as a very good quarterback.

He's been a good quarterback in this league for a long time. We're going to have this competition. Now, I don't think Spencer Rattler is anything special. I also think he sucks. He's quarterback 34, pick 209, right at one pick after my favorite quarterback, Sash, Joe Milton, but quarterback 34, pick 209. That is a free pick to me. For a quarterback that could play six games, seven games, eight games, however many.

This is also a guy who scored 14 plus fantasy points more often than he did not in an offense. for a team whose defense is probably going to be bad. They're probably going to be throwing it a bunch. I don't think they add a guy in this draft class. I think if anything, they try to tank away and go after one of the top guys next year. Maybe they're in play for an arch type guy.

I don't like to predict that far ahead. But they're going to be terrible, awful, god awful, even. And he's got some weapons and a coordinator who's been known to get production out of his guys. So I like Rattler here. Keep in mind, I do think he's terrible. He doesn't give you much.

But when you are a punt the quarterback dynasty player like I am, you see a potential six games played? Oh, I'm all in. I'm going to need them. When you're playing, when you're playing Tyler Huntley in finals, because you don't have anyone else,

you need, you need those types, right? So I'm the type of person that'll draft one upper tier quarterback, take a young guy, take a shot on a fields, and then they cap off the end of my drafts. I'll just take a Spencer Rattler just because he might play. I'm a take Joe Flacco at the end of every draft,

just simply because we might get six games of Flacco. I'm a need. Like Buck needs those eight-point running backs. I need those 10-point quarterbacks. I need them. At some point in the year, I'm going to need them. So he's an easy stash for me. is Spencer Rattler.

Hashtag the agenda. I'm so incredibly chronically online that hashtag the agenda was when Spencer Rattler was drafted in the fifth round by the Saints last year, Saints Twitter, I actually found this out from the Mina Kines podcast, who Saints Twitter started hashtag the agenda with snake emojis for Spencer Rattler to play over Derek Carr and it became this big social media movement.

Hashtag the agenda, Spencer Rattler. I always know that my E.T. Entertainment News reporter, Andy Buckler, is always going to have the chronically online reporting down pat. So shout out. Working overtime. Working overtime. But that's it. That's the podcast today. Keeping it nice and simple, nice and short, concise.

We promised that we were going to do it. We did it. This is the shortest podcast we've ever recorded, Buck. I know, under an hour. Under an hour. Under an hour. That's going to do it, though. Two hours next week.

No, please no. Anyway, that's going to do it for today. If you guys want a topic for next week, let us know. Otherwise, next week, we're diving into ADP changes because some of them are nuts. There are some crazy shifts in ADP, especially this month. I think we'll do an end of month ADP recap every month. But we're talking, lamb and neighbors are in the first round. round. Amun Ra Puka and Brian Thomas Jr. are out of the first round.

Jemir Gibbs hovering right at that 201. Jamar Chase's a fourth player off the board. Crazy stuff happening in drafts right now. I mean, the J.S.N. A.J. Brown and Garrett Wilson led, but I just want third round startup picks, baby. Come on. Come on. Come on. That being said, that's going to do it for the show this week. Hope you guys enjoyed. let us know if you did drop a comment join the Discord

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