Fantasy Football Daily - Take Talk Ep 41 - Senior Bowl Day 3 recap w/Chris Wecht

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

Brett Whitefield (@BGWhitefield) and Chris Wecht (@ChrisWechtFF) talk Day 3 of practice and give their final thoughts on the week of practice. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Welcome into another episode of the Take Talk podcast. I'm your host, Brett Whitefield. This is my co-host of the week, Chris Wecht. We are officially home from Mobile, Alabama. We took in every practice of both the American and national team. and we have our takes. Chris, is it good to be home? Sleep in your own bed? I have not slept in my own bed yet.

Oh, that's right. I flew into Philadelphia last night and stayed in my parents' house. They're a little closer, but drove back to my house this morning. So I will do that tonight. But yes, excited to be home. It was a great trip out there with the rest of the Fantasy Points crew, Scott Barrett, John Hansen. It felt like it was good to just get everybody together, spend some time together,

talk some football. And yeah, I mean, can't ask for much more than that. Yeah, a lot of like, I don't want to say planning when, you know, happened on the week. But like, I would say, you know, more so just building excitement for everything that's coming out of Fantasy Points data later this off season. And yeah, so for that, it was a tremendous trip. I always have fun on these trips. People don't really understand, like, how kind of grindy these trips are, you know? Yeah, you're going from more, you wake up until you're in bed, you're doing something.

Yeah, my dad kind of just, like, when he picked me up from the airport last night, he kind of just assumed, oh, it's a little vacay, get out, have some fun with the boys, drink some beer, watch football. Like, no, dad, that's not, it's not what this is. You know, you're getting up early, most days, you're, you know, whether you're a content guy or whatever, like, you know, I was writing articles, doing a radio spot with John, doing the players breakfast. So that all happens at 6 to 7 a.m. And then you're, you know, immediately jumping into practice for six hours, you know, sometimes in the sun, sometimes in the rain. The weather takes a toll on you, whether it's hot or cold. And then, and then you're jumping right back into the content stuff, you know, writing your thoughts. We did a podcast every day.

You know, then it kind of turns into a networking event after that where you're usually going to dinner with, you know, with your crew. And then meeting up with other people later on the night. having fun, getting home late, going to bed late, and then doing it all again the next day. So you really have no rest. There's definitely not a vacation. But we love it. Yeah, not complaining whatsoever. Yeah.

That's for sure. Well, there's a lot to talk about. I, you know, I, even when I'm exhausted, like yesterday was probably the longest day of my life. You know, starting 7 a.m. or whatever we did. And then just not getting home. I got home at 2 in the morning. So pretty, pretty long day, but I still couldn't rest. I started re-ranking all the players on the plane ride home last night.

Finish that up this morning. Put a lot of thought into it. We took in in total six practices. Got a pretty good look at some of these guys. And there were some big time winners, risers and fallers, actually, winners and losers. So let's talk about some of those guys. I know for a fact, you want to talk about Michael Wilson from Stanford. Yes. Well, yeah, we've kind of been talking about him all week.

Yeah. I just want to know how many spots did he jump for you? Because I know he had the biggest jump of any player here at the Senior Bowl for me. So I actually, I was a little surprised. I forgot. I kind of ranked him in the middle of the pack going into the week. I only moved him up three spots from eight to five. Yeah.

I thought were you hired Higgins going to the week or Wilson? I was higher. I was slight. I had Higgins at two spots ahead of him. So I liked both the Stanford guys. So yeah, I actually didn't end up bumping them as much as I, or bumping Wilson. I did not bump Higgins. Bumping Wilson as much as I thought I was going to.

I feel like five is a good spot for him. That five to seven range is probably where I think he should be falling in the week. It's funny you say that because he finished in my rankings at six. Yeah, yeah. That feels about right. he came into the week for me at 13 yeah he definitely doesn't have a lot of tape and I remember thinking back

watching him now looking over my notes and whatnot I was I saw a guy that looked like a functional receiver he could do things that you know most you know above average receiver nothing flashy but there was something there he didn't make any obvious mistakes to me on tape and then yeah and then he just comes out and just like balls out all week.

Like every single day. I don't think he had a single bad day or ever even close to a bad day at any point. His worst rep of the week was yesterday in red zone drills where he absolutely cooked the corner, but then just dropped the ball in the end zone. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So like his worst rep of the week was arguably a good rep.

Yep. You know, you saw a lot that you wanted to see there. He just unfortunately didn't catch the ball. But yeah, this is, so this guy is, going to be like the ultimate discipline test for me because like I've done this before where I mentioned Denzel Mims I think to you and John yesterday but like Mims was a guy who I didn't really love his tape I get to the senior bowl week and he just tears it up and I end up going overboard and he he finished with like a top 15 grade in my system my scoring system at that time

I was using Senior Bowl scores to kind of, they were weighted too heavily in my system. I have adjusted that in general, but still like it was a big overreaction. Like I was using Senior Bowl Week to kind of replace some bad tape. And I think with Wilson that there's going to be discipline needed for me because I came away from this week just being like in all of this guy. Like I wanted to put him at one, Chris.

Like that's how impressed I was. Right now I did want to do that. I put expectations a little bit. So what I'm not going to do is replace what I would say average or bad tape with this week. But what you can do is fill in those gaps. I talked about this in the Senior Bowl Primer article on Fantasy Points website. There are gaps. There's things that he wasn't asked to do at Stanford that we got to see him do this week.

So yeah, you can use that stuff to fill in gaps. Like, wow, I didn't know Wilson could do that. Now I do. Cool. I'm bumping him for that reason. So yeah, that's kind of how you have to do it. Granted, I haven't watched, like, when I do my player evaluations, I watch every snap from the last two years. I'm one of the only guys that does this.

Sometimes guys usually watch five games. I watch every game. And then I'll even supplement with freshman sophomore tape if I need to. So that said, any of these guys are talking about, I haven't watched all of their games yet. So they haven't been scored officially for me. So there's a chance he could still rise even more or fall even more, depending on how the rest of the class shakes out. But enough can't be said about how awesome he was this week. So I was not at that Senior Bowl where Denzel Mims was where you said you felt like you rose into our was.

I know one thing that both stood out to both of us was how detailed he was. He was one of the first receivers out there working on his footworks. Talking about Wilson? Yeah, Wilson. Yeah. Do you think that carries any weight? We know NFL teams definitely value little things like that. It's like the layup thing these guys can do at the at the senior bowl,

just like act like they really, really, really like to work at their craft. You told me last night he went to Stanford. He's an engineer. That's not an easy degree, especially at a school like Stanford. He just graduated. Yeah. So he clearly like is a very detailed, hardworking guy. Do you think that, how much does that matter to you in terms of how you think the NFL will view him on top of having a good week?

I think it matters. There's teams that won't care. And there seems like, I hate to always use the lines of the example, but like he's a football player. Like Dan Campbell will love this guy. I can promise you that. I don't know if you saw the interview from him that kind of went viral last night. I retweeted it. I don't know if you caught it.

But it's basically just him saying, like, listen, I'm the hardest working dude out here. Like I do not, I will not settle for anything less than excellent. And I am on an upward trajectory. I put in the work. I'm disciplined. I'm getting after it. Like, he's just saying all the right things,

but he's backing it up with what we're doing. Because like we said, you know, he was at practice 30 minutes for anybody else. There's no coaches out there watching him. It's not like he's like, you know, trying to,

you know, kind of, he wasn't schmusing, you know, he was actually out there working. Like he was soaked from sweat. He was working so hard before practice started. Yeah.

And you can see it in his game. Like I think he really, I think he's 100% serious when he says he will not settle for anything less than excellent. Yeah. So he's got that dog mentality. Yeah, as we continue to get more and more exposure to players, prospects and auctioning, I feel like we always learn how important our attitude and personality can be in just how these guys' careers end up panning out.

And it's stuff that, you know, 20 years ago, people didn't have access to. Like, teams knew when they got to them. But nowadays, like, we learn about it. And it stuff matters. It's very important. it can make or break a guy's career if he has the wrong mindset. Yeah. Well, and when you look at like his body too, like there's no like there's nothing left to chisel on that body.

You know, like you can tell the dude works hard. Yeah. And you also see like the little, I noted this I think maybe after day two. He's doing little things in practice that, you know, I think some guys don't even think about. But like just even the run blocking drills, like he's getting after it. he's trying to thump the dude across from him. There are a couple 11-on-11 drills, too, where, like, it turns into a scramble. And multiple times, he was the only receiver working back to the quarterback and actually

operating under a scramble drill. It's like those little things, man, I think coaches actually do love that stuff. They look for it, you know? Yeah. Yeah, he earned a spot on an NFL team this week for sure. And he's going to have a chance to, you know, end up at some teams, wide receiver three, four, and then see where he takes it from there. Yep.

And the question really, it becomes, is like, how high does he actually go now? Yeah. Like, did he do enough to get at the end of day two? Not the strongest top-end receiving class compared to some of the previous years we've seen. So it's going to be interesting, but it's also a horrible wide receiver-free agent class. So teams that need wide receivers,

do they say, hey, like, I'd rather go, you know, maybe we have to reach a little bit on this receiver in the first round. like we normally would take him at the back of the first but you know we it's better than overpaying this guy in free agency so a lot to shake up still in terms of how the NFL ends viewing the wide receiver class as a whole but he yeah he certainly is going to get himself into the day two conversation maybe round you know round three is and we'll we'll see from there but yeah yeah he still has other opportunities to help himself too like combine's obviously a big one yeah like if he goes to the because he was one of the faster receivers at

senior bowl week, GPS-wise. If he goes in the combine and runs, you know, just spitballing here, like 4-38, he's going to keep climbing. Yes. He looks like a guy that would probably be running 438. Yes. I assume he's going to jump really well. So he still has even more opportunities to continue to impress and climb up teams boards. So, all right, let's move on from him.

I, uh, any other major movers in your, well, I want to talk about his teammate Higgins. So I did drop Higgins in my rankings three spots from where I had them going into the week. My big takeaway seeing him in person, Chris,

is like, I just don't feel good about him as a wide receiver. Yeah, we, um, I'm sure you'll mention this in your article, but he actually got some work with the tight ends yesterday. Yeah.

Um, so clearly. So I'm not the only one thinking it. Yeah. So clearly team, team, NFL team personnel thinks he may have a better career as potentially another position. He's definitely a bigger guy. He definitely has issues moving.

I think it was yesterday. He already had caught the ball and he went to cut up field and he like tripped over himself. For like the fifth time this week. Yeah. Which is I did not see on tape at all. I thought he had great body control in his Stanford tape. For a bigger guy, I thought he moved great. But here's the thing.

Like on his tape, I didn't see a lot of reps where he was having to work in small areas, like close areas. He wasn't getting pressed a ton. You know, and they were purposely getting bodies on him in practice. Like, hey, come up and get your hands on this guy.

Sure. See if he can actually use that frame appropriately. Yep. Because you have the coordination to get off of it. So that's one nice thing about tight end too. It's like if you use him as a move tight end, big slot, like you can cover him a little bit better.

Get him those free releases. Get him. into the seam a little cleaner, I think that would really, really help him. And I know it stinks for him to be saying that because it's like, it's going to be a long road. It's not easy to go from receiver to tight end. The physicality of playing tight end in the NFL is so much different than wide receiver.

But that said, like if I'm an NFL team, I'm way more interested in him as a tight end than I'm a wide receiver. Yeah, it's definitely going to hurt his draft capital. I mean, he's definitely a day three guy, I think, at this point. Or worse. Yeah, or worse. Yeah, so uphill battle for him, unfortunate because he was kind of a rare size, speed combo playing receiver. And could he then show he could do that amongst other guys of his similar talent levels and didn't have the best week?

Yeah. And he actually ended up my biggest follower out of anybody this week. I had him ranked decently high and pretty much moves him almost all the way to the bottom. Yeah, I think he ended up 12 out of 16 for me among the receivers. So, and that was being generous. You know, I didn't want to crush him. Right.

But I'm glad you said that because two guys I had falling at receiver, I didn't, I was not upset with anything they did this week. I thought they had good weeks, but they still fell because other guys rose that much. And those two guys were Xavier Hutchison and Trey Palmer. Really? You had Hutchinson fall. I didn't plan it that way, Chris. I just, when I was re-ranking these guys.

So he actually moved up from me. I bumped him from 11 to 7. Yeah, he started way higher for me is the thing. Okay. So he ended seven for me. All right. Well, I think we found the middle ground. That's crazy.

Yeah, and I basically had Jaden Reed, John Mingo, and Michael Wilson passing him up. So he dropped a total of two spots for me. And I liked his week. I thought he had a good week. He showed me things. Yeah, he showed me things he didn't show in college. It's weird. It's weird that he fell for me, but I liked his week.

Other guys just impressed me more. So, yeah, Trey Palmer, same thing. Like, he fell four spots for me. I came into the week ready to be blown away because on tape, you see the speed. there just wasn't there were some moments with him but there weren't enough right yeah he's supposed to be the best separator here and it just it didn't look easy for him yeah i i ended up i started with him at seven he ended at six for me and i and i and i but yeah he was a guy with i honestly i passed over him when i was re-ranking i was i was doing everybody else and i was like oh wait

i missed one and i was like oh i got to fit him in somewhere he was like he didn't do anything bad he also just didn't never really wowed me either but i was you know Yeah. So, which is weird, because I felt like all week we were saying that not a lot of guys, no one looked special to us. No one looked like Christian Watson level talent. Yeah. And there was one guy, I think, that did. But I have, I have qualms with him.

Okay. Yes. But yeah, so he didn't do it. Yeah, he didn't just, yeah, he was just there. He was not messing up. And he was, you know, he was doing what he was supposed to do. He just never necessarily went up. above and beyond.

So definitely he's probably a guy that, you know, the Senior Bowl ultimately doesn't really move his draft stock one way or the other. And, you know, he's got solid tape and he'll still, you know, he still has a good chance to be a solid player at the next level. Yep. For those that have questions about his college production, by the way, he was on the LSU team with Justin Jefferson, Jemar Chase, and Terrace Marshall.

Yes. before he transferred to Nebraska. I know a lot of people have asked me, in my DMs yesterday, there are people asked me like, hey, if Palmer's so good, why do he do nothing until the last couple years? But any other guy,

oh, there's actually two more receivers. I want to highlight really quickly. And we've talked about them, we've talked about one of them a lot on this pot, and it's Jaden Reed. Yeah. I think he probably had the best, well, other than Wilson,

the best week, as far as like showing his complete skills. set. Yeah, he ended up the second best guy from, I struggled with if I should put him or Puka Nakua first, but I left, ended up leaving Puka at one, despite him only giving us the one practice. But it was just, it was a great practice by him. But yeah, Reed was also very, very good this week. Yeah, Reed climbed three spots for me. He, he, to me, he sold me on the fact that he's, he can be more than just a deep threat. Yes. He could work the short parts of the field. You can scheme some stuff up for him.

He can work the intermediate part of the field. A little bit more nuanced route runner than I thought he was. So, big win for me. He's going to end up going higher in the draft than probably people would initially think because he's got punt return skills. He's got the deep, pretty good deep speed. Yeah. Like he said, he's showing us a lot of stuff.

Like, we saw this with VLis Jones last year, not the same player, but a guy that has deep speed and can show that he can work, do some other route. stuff. Teams value that very much. And despite even if they have other warts and other areas of their play, teams think they can mold that into potentially a guy that can do all kinds of things for them on their offense. And furthermore, not to be like overly speculative, but by the end of the week, he was really only participating in 11 on 11th. Yep. And typically, and kind of the word on the street was, you know, he got a call from his agent saying, teams are really liking you.

Let's cool it down a little bit. We don't want to risk an injury because don't really have much more to gain from this. Typically, when guys shut it down like that, like without an injury, that's what's going on. So he did, he did go, they did Red Zone finally. We got Red Zone looks yesterday, which is very important part of my analysis. And he was going in the one-on-one drills in Red Zone, but those were really the only one-on-one drills he had done in a couple days. So, yeah, the other big climber I want to talk about was John Mingo. Yeah.

When I watched his tape, I think it did two or three games. I really wanted to love him. But I just kept having flashbacks to Don Tario Drummond last year. He just kind of gives the feeling of like, yeah, this guy's okay. And that's what he is. He's okay. Yeah. And so this week, though, he really flashed that top end speed, I thought.

Yeah. And some really good footwork, too. He cooked the best corner here at Senior Bowl Week. He cooked him yesterday in the Red Zone on that fade route. I mean, jukeed him out of his shoes. Caught a really nice ball. So I like Mingo. The one guy that I think did look like he was special was Tank Dell.

Yeah. And it's, yeah, like we've been talking all. It's just the size. For you fantasy guys listening, the size is a big concern because I really don't see a world where he's super fantasy relevant. I think he'll be an excellent football player somewhere. Yes. And he's still going to get a draft fit height too.

Yeah. I do think that. Was there any, you know, guys coming into the week that were near the bottom five-ish area that rose a good way up for you? Guys that, you know, maybe they had a good shot at going undrafted, but maybe now are a day three pick? I would say, yeah, there were two, I think, that impressed me more than I thought they would.

Trey Tucker was one. That was one of mine, yep. Yeah, I think he was dead last from me coming into the week. But seeing him work in those close areas, like I do think he's got a chance to be a slot receiver somewhere. Right. Maybe a backup slot receiver for now. Right.

And he looks like a good team's player. Yeah, he looks like a good punt returner as well. Yeah. Oh, and I think they had him covering punts, too, if I'm not mistaken. So, like, those, that stuff bodes well for him. maybe he doesn't get drafted still or maybe he's a late round pick. I'm not really sure yet. But, you know, I think there's a chance he catches on as a backup slot guy,

developmental guy with special teams upside, which that's how teams fill the back end of their rosters out anyways. So the other one was Wix, Dantavian Wix. Yeah, he didn't drop as many balls as we thought he might. Yeah, big question coming to the week was his hands. Like, the guy can clearly move. He clearly has some route running ability, but his hands. hands were dreadfully bad.

He had like a 41% catch percentage this past season. Which is so bad. It doesn't even, I don't even care how bad if your QB is good or bad. If you're hitting 41% it's not on your QB. Yeah, he led the class, he leads the class and drops by like a country mile. So that does not surprise me. He did drop a few balls day one. I think we knocked them for it on either my write up or the pod.

But the last two days, he was pretty sound. Yeah, he can definitely get open. Yeah, he can definitely get open. Grant DeBue out of Charlotte, I also think was a little bit of a riser for me. He was a super late ad to the roster. So I barely watched much of his tape before the week began. And wasn't super impressive day one, but days two and three, he definitely can get open and get separation on guys. Made some nice catches in the end zone on the last day and red zone drills.

Yeah, I think he's a guy. that definitely helped his chances at least being drafted versus undrafted. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't see anything that was like overly impressive, but I do agree that like he was probably better than I thought he was going to be. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. All right, let's move on.

Let's quickly hit quarterback. There's really nothing to talk about here, Chris. There's one guy to talk about and the rest don't matter. Yeah, I'll go a 1A to talk about and then there's like a small, note to add to that on somebody else. But Jake Hainer was clearly the best QB here. Wasn't even close. I saw someone on Twitter say

he was not good this week and I'm like what like, okay, who are you an agent for? Like who are you representing? It doesn't make any sense to say that, but Hainer was phenomenal. Yeah, he was putting the ball in all kinds of tight windows. He had some really nice

red zone throws yesterday. Oh, just unbelievable. Getting him where they need to be in the end zone, giving his guys a chance to make plays. Yeah, I mean, maybe it was because of how bad the other quarterbacks were that made him look so good. For sure. But, I mean, there's no doubt in my mind that this kid can't at least come into an NFL team

and be a decent backup slash project guy as they, you know. I would say what you said is 100% spot on. The other QBs were so bad. It definitely elevated how you viewed him because plays were functional when he was on the field. Plays were not functional when any of the other quarterbacks were on the field. So, I mean, I don't think he didn't like work himself into some crazy draft cabball or anything, but he's probably a day two pick at some point. The other five that practiced, we're not going to talk,

and did hooker because he didn't practice at all. But the other five that practiced were probably late day three guys. or UDFAs at that. I didn't see anything from any of them that suggested they're worth more than that. Jaron Hall was probably the biggest disappointment because I do think he's got armed talent, but just kind of a space cadet all week, unfortunately.

Yeah, these are, for fantasy purposes, you can basically forget about these guys for the most part. Really, I mean, even Hainer is probably not ever fantasy relevant, but... At least not yet. Yeah, yeah. He's not going to want like a draft pick. Yeah, he's not. Unless it's a super deep, super flex league.

You have like five or six rounds or something. But. Yeah, just and maybe the bad KV play could also have driven the none of the wide receivers look necessarily special problem. Just because they literally multiple overthrows behind guys in front of guys. Like just, you know, it could be skewing our view of the past catchers a bit as well. Right. We said it the other day, like Rishie Rice, like his five. best reps probably were all like all five of them ended in an overthrow yeah i like didn't even

totally know how to view his week because i was like yeah he looked like he was going to make a good play there but i'll never know now yep all right uh the other one other note on the qbs is tyson bagent from shepherd the dude has a rocket arm um he's so raw though but he does have a rocket arm a team might like that and be like yeah well we'll throw a fifth round pick at this guy and just see what he can turn into with some coaching. Yeah. But you've got to be committed to carry three is the problem because he's not ready to be a backup. No.

Well, he could probably survive on some teams practice squad. Yeah, true, true. Even if he does get drafted, he could be a guy they draft cut and he makes it through waivers and lands on a practice squad. Yeah. All right, let's talk running backs because, I mean, everyone's ooing and eyeing over the same guy. I think the consensus come out of the week is the most. impressive running back by far was. Tai J Spears.

There it is. Kai J Spears out of two lane. What did you, I forget, what did you have him ranked as before the week? Number three. I was high on it. Yeah,

I admit to. I didn't end up bumping him over Roshan just because we could be saying similar things about him if he didn't break his hand on day one. And he still has the size speed combo. Yeah. But I wouldn't, if somebody wanted to put Spears ahead of him,

I would think that was totally fine because Spears was awesome. If you haven't seen the clip on Twitter of him leaving a linebacker in just like a whole other universe on a on a on a route yesterday, you got to go check it out. Because the linebacker literally looks like thinks the play is over. And then turns his head and realizes he spears is running away to the end zone. Spears looked like he had the infinity gauntlet and he used the space stone to teleport on that play. Yes. Like that was unbelievable. I actually did bump Spears ahead of Rochon.

My reasoning was this. Usually everything I do is not for fantasy. It's for actual football. Why I do really like Rochon, I'm not a big, establish the run, run the ball kind of guy. And I think Rochon's the type of back. You're drafting him to do those types of things.

Not saying he can't be good in the past game. Tagee, though, adds a dynamic to an offense that is, so much more valuable than what Roshan adds. And that's why I've heard them. And Tadjie sold me on that this week. I had quite small school, small school, two lane stuff. Like, that's why he was third to my rankings. It's like, okay, yeah, he tore up really bad teams.

Cool. I need to see this against better competition. And he answered the call. So especially in the passing work stuff. Yeah, he, he's going to run fast. He's going to run a fast 40. it'll be interesting to see how fast he can get because that's going to be his main calling card

but he he can he has some good like contact balance like he's not a guy that's he's not a guy that is like run so fast like chase brown is the perfect example brown can run super fast but he had he definitely had issues in college with the second he got hit like that was it that was going to be the end of the play Spears is not like that he's got some quickness to him where he can make guys miss in space and then just immediately turn on the jets again and take

off. 100%. Yeah, he was catching passes. I mean, I don't, maybe pass protection is probably the one thing that he probably will have an issue with, at least starting out his career. But other than that, I don't think there's anything else. You know what, I admired his tenacity and wanting to get better. Yeah.

Oh, and I saw one of the coaches actually on, he did an interview with some. somebody on Twitter saying, Taji was asking for more reps in the past work, past protection drills. Yeah. So he knows. He explains why he went out. I was wondering, like, he had one, one moment we had like three reps in a row. I'm like, what? What the heck's going on here?

Are they making him do that? No, like the coach said he was asking. I want another one. I want another one. Give me another one. He just, he wants to work at it. So another guy with like plus mentality, you don't always get a view into guys's lives like that, but like, I feel like he's going to be a successful player.

Yep. My biggest riser at running back, though, Chris, was Kenny McIntosh from Georgia. Yeah, he was actually mine as well. I had him at six out of eight going into the week, and he finished third for me. He passed Chase Brown, who coming into the week I loved. One of the big things for me is he weighed 210. That's a big plus for me, because, like, that's close to, like, big enough to be a true dude if he ever is needed to be. I don't think that's his role in the NFL, but, like, I think he can take more.

touches on than we previously thought with that frame. He's thick in the legs, thick in the hips. He's pretty solid, like no wasted size at all. Like he's very compact 210 is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I didn't end up bumping him over guys like Chase Brown and Eric Gray,

but I was pretty indifferent with how I would rank those guys. Yeah. They all showed flashes for things they can do that will interest. to NFL teams, but also all have their own issues. Eric Gray in particular had like a really bad last day. Just was dropping balls, not getting open in the route running stuff. We don't see much of the running game, as we've said all week from running back. So you're not, you're just kind of looking for how they move in space and whatnot.

But yeah, McIntosh impressed. He even, you had a solid week. He played in one of the best schools in the country and faced some very, stiff talents. He's going to have value to NFL teams for sure. The pass pro with him is what really impressed me. Yep. He was very, which, yeah, he should be good at. Yeah, he was probably the best back and pass pro. Yeah.

And for a smaller guy, it's impressive. Like, he was, he was physical, you know, played bigger than his size, but his foot, footwork was awesome. Pretty much always stayed in front of guys. Even on the speed rush drills where, you know, he had an edge defender coming wide and free, perfectly run them around the arc. Like, he, the dude knows what he. he's doing there. So I think teams will like that. They'll probably get him on the field early because of that.

I have to know where you ended up ranking Evan Hall. I dropped him two spots to six out of nine. I, uh, I mean, I was skeptical coming in, which you know. Yes. I thought he was fine. I don't think he overly impressed and I don't think he disappointed me though either. I was fine. I, still have him as my third rank guy out of this group. You do? Yeah. So I, nothing he did this week showed me that he's not more, anything more than just a jag. Well, he's just, he's literally just a guy.

The whole group, like I have Hall Rodriguez, Sir Roger Thompson, Cameron Peoples. I don't even, I didn't even know how to rank those guys. Like, yeah, they're all just, they're all just guys. They're all just guys. They're all just guys. They're all just guys. But yeah, Hall is just like, he doesn't. have a calling card. There's no skill he does like overly well. There's no skill he does overly bad.

He's not very big. He's not very fast, but he's not slow and he's not small. It's like he's literally just a guy. He is the perfect day three running back. He'll, in three years, we'll probably text each other, Chris, and say, Evan Hall is a perfect example of why running backs don't matter. Yeah, exactly. That's what that. I think that's why ultimately left. He'll draft him in the fifth round and he'll be a productive guy in the NFL somehow, some way. Yeah. Yeah, Tyler Algier last year, like fifth round draft pick in a good rush offense, you know, and can make things work. He even had a calling card. Al Jue was at least a big bruiser.

Like, Hall's not even that. Like, I don't really know what Hall is. Like, he's, who's the dude that came from the Chargers to the Lions this year? Justin Jackson. Yeah. I was like, oh, crap, I can't do that. Same school as scouting. That was truthfully on accident.

But yeah, that's what it reminds you. I'm just like, yeah, we can find Justin Jackson off the street. and he can be put up 100 yard total, you know, games in like a week of practice. Yeah. That's just, you know, put it behind a good offensive line or with a good offensive coordinator and he could be a productive guy. He'll probably be a special teams player in the NFL. Yeah.

I don't think he's going to mess up a lot, which it seems to become more and more an important thing for running backs these days that don't aren't elite, the elite guys. Like coaches like that guys that just come in and kind of do what they can, even if, if it's not spectacular. You're allowed to name DeAndre Swift by name, Chris. Yes, he's a good example of a guy that, you know, definitely has elite talents but just doesn't do the right thing very often. Unfortunately, man, what could have been?

But, like, yeah, like Chase Brown example, like he's, yeah, he's super fast, but he's also going to, like, give you nothing a lot. And I think unless he figures that out, it's going to be an issue for his career long term. Yeah, there's some much needed development with Chase Brown's game. He is undoubtedly fast. Like, I've been competent to Moster, Jeff Wilson, Eli Mitchell all week. I stand by that.

You know, Moster's probably the best one because Moster went undrafted and ended up being a productive player. Like, I'm not saying Brown's going to go undrafted or anything, but like when all you have is I can get to the corner and outside zone really fast and then possibly cut back if I need to. I mean, the options for your success are very limited. Moster happened to find the perfect team for him. So five years from now, our new Chase Edmins versus Rahim Mostert bet will be Evan Hall versus Chase Brown.

Oh, that's too perfect. That's too perfect. Yeah. Or like in two years when Christian McCaffrey is getting, you know, touches stolen away from him, it's going to be because Chase Brown's hitting a random 50-yard run a game. Yeah, exactly. Oh man That's good All right

Let's close it out with the tight ends I Ranking these guys is funny Because like I like all of them Honestly I like parts of all of them Yeah Yeah it is weird

Yeah it's like pieces Like oh I could take this from this guy And yeah And I've been touting this tight end class for a while Including the senior bowl group So like I felt bad Like I rate Cameron Litu last

And I felt bad because like he's a he's gonna be a fine player in the NFL he'll never be i don't think he'll ever be fantasy relevant i shouldn't say never i don't think he ever will be because he's just he's not twitchy at all doesn't have really any explosiveness not a great route not not good in the past or in the receiving game to be honest but he's fine you know he'll do okay against zone he'll be a good tight end two i've said that sentence probably 17 times this week yeah cameron leight too will be a good tight end too somewhere to me the fantasy relevant tight-end stop after Luke Musgrave and Will Mallory.

And then it's a tear break for me in terms of guys that have a shot. They're definitely in their own tier. Yes, yes. For sure. Definitely in their own tier. I do think Davis Allen is very fantasy relevant. Yeah, he was next to be probably a longer burn. Right.

Yeah, you're going to have to wait for that one, most likely. Any big risers? I don't think we need to talk about Luke Musgrave anymore. we talked about constantly. I do want to say one thing about Musgrave. I'm pretty convinced

he's a first round pick. And I know the 7th class is deep and I know that likely means Kincaid isn't or Washington isn't. But there was a rep yesterday where in the Red Zone drills

where Musgrave just the ease in which he separates from defenders blows my mind for how big he is. Yeah. It looks like he's just floating like Legolas from Lord of the Rings. Just floating on the ground.

It's just floating on the ground. crazy but anyways what it what is the percent chance we see more tight ends than receivers drafted in the first round this year it's it's low but that numbers like that chance has to be higher than it's ever been yeah that's what i was wanted to get at i think it usually that technically could go in the first round exactly and there's and probably three or four receivers that are yeah early mock drafts do not have more than three or four receivers going so and that will change like when when you go see jalen high at run like a four to five that's going to change right like but whatever yeah uh so davis allen was actually my biggest riser i had him at five going into the week and he gave my third i had

i had him last and i bumped him all the way to three oh nice um yeah what you think of pained durham so i i was checking my notes again from our i actually liked i liked him more than i remembered liking him after that first practice the first watching him that first practice i almost I kind of forgot that I kind of liked him coming in to the week. And then I went back and checked my pre-nature-old notes, and I kind of liked him. And then I think we saw it again on day three. He made an amazing catch deep ball towards the sideline,

all-hands-catch guy right on top of him, comes down with it. He had another great catch in the end zone, guy all over him. I think he's better than I, better than I remembered he was from day. Days one and two were pretty lackluster, but day three, you saw some flashes from what. And you know why you did, right? Why? They finally did Red Zone. There you go.

And that's where he thrives. Yes. Same thing. He was dead last for me going into the week and I was not feeling great about him all week. And then I got to see him in the Red Zone work. And it was like, oh, there it is. That's where this guy thrives. Yeah.

He's a big dude, too. And I was really unimpressed with him in some of the pass pro and run blocking drills. He just didn't bring a lot of intensity or physicality to it. But when I saw a couple of those Red Zone receiving drills yesterday, I was like, oh, okay. This guy can have a niche, at the very least. At the very least, he can have a niche. He's going to steal some touchdowns from whoever you actually wanted to score the touchdowns. Yeah, he's going to be like a Moe Alley Cox or something.

I don't know. Like, yeah. I don't know if there's a better example than that. but the Donald Parham to the whatever Chargers tight end, the actual tight end one for the Chargers is that year. Parham's actually a great comp for him. Parham's another ginormous dude who's not very physical. Hopefully Durham develops that part of his game because I do think like with his wingspan and his overall size, like he should be a weapon in the run game. But it's funny you mentioned Parham because I've been calling him Payne Parham all week.

I know. Their name sounds like Donald Parham. ham and pain derham yeah uh any other notes no it's a class full of it's a group of guys that is going to be in the NFL and probably be able to stay in the NFL for a while but not for any elite talent reasons just after like the will mallory's of yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah just a solid group all around yep yeah I suppose we would see more red zone work for tight-end at least in particular. They did this last year, too.

They save all the red zone for day three. And the tight ends are not guys that we need to see running deep routes in space and whatnot as much as like, let's just see what they can do. I don't need a ton of go balls and one-on-ones from the 20. Yeah. Going the other way. I don't like, yeah, if a guy can do that, that's great. You probably already know that about him though.

Right, yeah. We already know who I don't even know. It hasn't been a great tight end rookie class for a few years. years now. McRide even. Yeah. McRide has plenty of reps in college tape where he was cooking guys on go balls. I didn't need to see him doing that.

He already knew that. Yeah. I agree. They should do more. Red zone in general, you learned so much about guys. It is the hardest part of the field to get separation on. Coverage is way tighter. And secondly, it's like the most important part of the game.

Yep. You have to be able to score touchdowns in the NFL to have a good offense. Like, you can't settle for field goals. I want to know if I got the guys to go freaking get it done. Yeah, especially a tight end. That's when they're on the field the most. Right. Yeah.

So definitely, I mean, yeah, I don't know if that's something that will. I mean, you've been at the senior bowl more years than I have. Is that just what the way it works? Or do you think this is something? Typically, they really emphasize it one day. There's been years where I think it was the Mark Andrews year, where they'll do like a shorter red zone session every day. which is how an NFL practice runs, by the way.

Like, they have a Red Zone unit every day. It's not, like, yesterday's Red Zone session was freaking 20-something minutes long. They did one-on-ones. They did sevens. They did 11s. Yeah. Cut out some of those reps versus air and give me some more Red Zone work. Yes, yes, exactly.

So that's like how an NFL practice goes. Like, every day they'll do like a five-minute period in Red Zone. Yep. And it's a great, great skills to work on. So, Um, situational football, as they call it. Yep. So that probably wraps up our senior bowl week of practices.

It does. There's still stuff coming out, though. I'm going to publish my reshuffled rankings. I'm going to write a winners and losers article, which is so cliche, I know, but everybody does it. And we've had people asking for it. So I'll probably read out. I'll probably pick four guys to write up in a little bit more detail than the daily notes. I'll probably do two winners, two losers

or maybe three winners, one loser. I'm a positive guy, Chris. I really don't like smash you. No, especially when it's, it is such a limited sample size. I'd rather praise somebody for three days of good practice than tear someone down for who, like maybe a guy wasn't feeling well

and he practiced crappy all week. You don't really know. So, this is just the beginning of all our draft coverage, prospect stuff. If you liked this at all, there's much, much, much more to come in future weeks. Yeah. Yep, we'll be putting out a ton of content.

There will be some type of draft guide on the site as well. Follow me on Twitter, too, at BG Whitefield. If you don't already, I'll be posting all kinds of clips. I'll keep you in tune with how I'm seeing the draft class, how I'm scoring players. I do like, I really do enjoy putting out threads on guys. So usually as we get closer to the draft, I'll start cranking those out. I'm also doing this new gimmick called three play scouting. It's sort of a troll bit where I'm just, I'm finding three amazing plays for a player and just posting it on Twitter with zero context.

And it's fun, but I'm going to keep doing those because they're a lot of fun. Just don't take it too seriously. People don't do that on Twitter all the time, all the time, right? Yeah, don't take it too seriously, including me. Yeah, so lots of good stuff coming. We really appreciate you guys following along. you know, thank you for DM and me asking questions. Anytime you have a question about a guy,

I'm more than happy to talk about it. If you have ideas for the pod too, please let us know. We're always looking for cool ideas, guys we can talk about, you know, especially as we're in draft season, Chris. Like we're like we'll do pods where we're just talking about certain guys. Yeah, it'll be a mixed bag, I'm sure of off-season, goings-on, draft, free agency, all kinds of stuff. we need a catchy news segment

I'll have to get some ideas from Steve too but like you know the New Heights guy have the new news segment and it's like made me jealous it's like why don't I have something like that I don't know you got four kids get one of them to come up with something creative true I should

that's a good idea although it'd probably be like Pokemon related yeah yeah I don't know if that that would work yeah all right With that said, we are going to get out of here.

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