Fantasy Football Daily - THE 2024 Dynasty Superflex Mock Draft | PPR and TEP

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

More Dynasty Strategy Content - https://youtube.com/live/xvk7BMDWWmA This 2024 dynasty startup mock draft is not like the others. Hosts Jakob Sanderson, Ryan Heath, and Thomas Tipple try to draft the PERFECT team while breaking down the optimal strategy needed to kick off your league correctly. Data Sources by Dynasty Data Lab - https://dynastydatalab.com/adp/startup Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ Where to find us: http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/JakobSanderson http://twitter.com/LGilbertFF http://twitter.com/RyanJ_Health FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@fantasypts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and try to put their heads together and draft the perfect team using three individual dynasty fantasy football strategies? The answer is I have no clue. but tonight we're going to find out of course this is dynasty points this is tuesday night we love and appreciate every single person watching if you're watching on x please head over to youtube dot com slash fantasy points and hit that subscribe button it helps us immensely our families need to eat and we can't do that without all of you of course we have a ton of stuff to touch on this is not just a mock draft.

This is the mock draft. And I know that the people listening are going to go, well, you guys did a mock draft. How am I supposed to see? The beauty of this is is we are going to give you more than just. I am going to pick player A, not player B. You are going to get the same in-depth dynasty points breakdowns in mock draft format. So, of course, you can always head over to the YouTube channel if you want to follow along. Anyway, chat, you can get involved.

I know some people were asking us if this is going to be a sub mock draft. That is an idea we can have for another show. I wasn't expecting as many people to ask me if they can hop in. That can be a content idea for another day. We would love to do that. Today, though, I am absolutely stoked. I am your host with the most time on his hands. My name is Thomas Sible.

You can find me at El Nostra. Thomas. And my fun fact of the day is that in one week from today, it will be my 26th year living in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. Exciting. My name is Jacob Sanderson. My fun fact for this week is that Tom and I will be seeing each other in person this Friday celebrating the wedding social. and I'll get back to that in one second. The original co-host of our little podcast that we made about our league back in the day, Mr. Austin Coombs, so shout out Austin Coombs.

We'll be getting married shortly. For those who do not know, fun fact number two, or 1B, is that a wedding social is a Manitoba tradition in which people, for a party, it's for all their friends to come out and effectively pay for their wedding. So that's the thing that we do in Manitoba.

There will be, we'll be rye bread perhaps there'll be kubasaw perhaps we'll see it'll be dancing certainly i'll have a good time so that those are my fun facts a lot of crown royal is going to go down that night mostly probably from me but a lot i'm right now realizing i have no idea where manitoba is i think it was wrong story that tweeted earlier this week saying that he wouldn't be surprised if white walkers inhabited saskatchewan or whatever that i'm kind of on that wavelength with them now. What's the fuck. Ron, if you're out there listening.

You Americans are the most self-centered, fucking self-absorbed narcissistic fucks. Any person in Canada knows where every state is. I could name you all 50 state capitals. I could draw every state on a map. I know what half your fucking slogans are. Oh, Mississippi. Oh, it's the Magnolia State.

Yeah. And you don't even know where Manitoba is. We don't have that many provinces. We have a couple of territories and a couple of provinces. How about you keep them straight? Jesus. maybe look around and see what's out there in the world. Otherwise, you're going to elect Trump.

Oh, my God. America. What a country. So, yeah, I'm with Ron Stewart right now in my ignorance. Yeah, so, yeah, I'm Ryan Heath. You can find me on Twitter at Ryan J. underscore Heath. And my fun fact is that this show tonight pulled me away from writing up a Greg Dorchblur. That's where we're at.

in best ball season right now and I'm kind of relieved to talk dynasty for that now round 18 god uh Greg Dorch we like we we we like we like the we like the doorch here at fantasy points um Sean's all about the Jacob Sanderson early rant um I'm legit I'm legit crying right now about that yeah Ferris says hold strong Rob stock a dark winter is coming Um, Theo says, I'm from Vancouver. I don't know where Manitoba is. You could try living somewhere relevant. That might help.

I live in Vancouver right now. I don't know why he's all up in arms. This is a Javante thing again. He's all up in, oh, my God. He's defending. Okay, so before we get... We have an NHL team. Before we get into the actual draft,

as I mentioned, we have three different people about to give three very different approaches in this draft. And what I want to do is kind of get a base understanding. Now, Jacob, some key words that I just used there was quick and short. I know these two words are outside of your general vocabulary. But let's try to get a quick version of what your initial draft strategy is. I'm going to get the same thing from Ryan. I'll give a little and then we'll decide what spot we want to draft from. So, chat, if you have a specific spot you want us to draft from in this third round reversal,

Superflex PPR, tight end premium mock draft, leave it in the comments and we will take that into consideration. So Jacob, as quick as you can give us, what is your baseline draft strategy when you head into a room that is completely unknown? Number one, you look at the league settings. this is legitimately the most underrated draft strategy and dynasty. If people don't pay attention to the scoring settings, then they just go in with whatever their baseline mindset of what they want to do.

So that's number one. You go check. What's the tight end premium? How many roster spots are there? Are there funky first down settings? Anything like that that makes you change what your normal approach would be. And then if there are, you think about what would be the ways that this would really shift from a normal league where I think there might be inefficiencies

if people just draft not according to those settings. Second, I then, you know, I look around, I see who's in my league, right? Maybe you don't know anybody. If you do know some people, you might get a decent idea of whether you think there's going to be people that are going to be more productive struggle oriented,

more win-now oriented, whether they're going to be a bunch of zero-r-bros, whether they're not. That's going to be one thing that you want to try and tailor. And then really the first probably two to three rounds, I try to just draft, you know, really just based on value. I don't try to think about win now. I don't try to think about win later. I just any pick, I'm open to trading up.

I'm open to trading down. I want to be in conversations and I want to see what the draft leaves me. And then once those first few picks are there, it's a little bit less about my team and it's a little bit more about serving the draft economy of, Is this a super quarterback heavy run that we need to worry about? Is this a draft where everybody's trying to get future picks? Everybody's trying to move future picks. And then the rest of the draft is just about trying to, you know, if I'm trying to compete, compete in, you know, the way that sort of works within this draft economy

and presses whatever edges I can. And otherwise, just trying to swerve against the grain as much as I can, where kind of whatever the draft is willing to leave me, that's what I'm willing to take. no i think that's that's all pretty dang smart ryan how do you approach a draft room where you know absolutely nobody yeah jacob pretty much covered all the kind of 5 000 foot level overview stuff agree with all of that he often does yeah so i yeah he's very good at this so i would say going into a draft especially if i don't know anybody as jacob said yes not trying to do anything crazy within the first two or three rounds. I'm just observing, trying to observe the behavior,

see kind of what everyone else is doing, and react accordingly later on in the draft. If I go in with any, like, rule of thumb, quote unquote, before the draft starts in a super flex format, it is usually I would like to get a quarterback within the first three rounds, preferably within the first two rounds just because, yes, theoretically, you can play all these games and patch together production at the position depending on the build you're trying to do. But my least favorite thing to do in Dynasty is go out and try to trade for a quarterback after the startup. It is such a pain. Nobody wants to send you their quarterback unless you're sending them one back. And usually if you're trying to upgrade, you're going to be overpaying on value there. So I just like to get it

over with, get at least my one elite anchor quarterback just in the startup draft. So I don't have to worry about it. And that really goes doubly if I don't know anyone in the league. I don't know how active it's going to be. I'm really trying to make sure I cover that base first and foremost so that I'm not having an awful time getting my team off the ground whenever I decide that needs to happen. I love that. I think it opens you up to some really good options. I'll say for myself, I am not overcommitting to the second QB.

If I am at a position in a draft where, especially in a room I don't know, I am heavily trusting what ADP, and for reference today's ADP and where I'm drafting all non-user teams will come straight from Dynasty Data Lab, because I'm a lot. I do not trust sleeper ADP. I've said this quite a bit. I'm going to trust in that and then get a feel very quickly in the first two rounds where we're sitting. Do I know I'm willing if I'm in a situation to draft Kyler well ahead of what his ADP is to ensure that I get him if I don't know the room? Okay with him being my QB1 and absolutely punting the position if it is a strong run.

I go into drafts completely expecting long runs at awkward times. And what that is is I'm automatically going into a draft, assuming the worst, that there is going to be an abundance of wide receivers going way before I want them to, so I won't get a chance to have them, and a bunch of quarterbacks going way earlier than I want to have to draft them. What this does is it allows me to in my head, plan ahead for the pivot, and then figure out how I'm going to get around the pivot, should it need to happen that way when you're at home or you're at work,

and it's an 8 to 10 hour clock, and you haven't checked the draft in four hours, and you look and you go, oh, no, my entire cue is gone. Panic mode, going to draft the lowest tiered nesting doll wide receiver around the head of ADP. And then you're kicking yourself two rounds later, and everyone has posted a sign on your forehead that says, kick me.

You don't want to be that guy in that situation. So that's what I do first and foremost. I would say the second thing is get to know your draft room immediately. Immediately start sending DMs to everybody. Ask them what's up. Ask them what they think they're going to do. Let them know that you're willing to deal. The one thing I'll also note because we're not going to be able to do it is trading down at every pick is optimal.

But now everyone knows that trading down is optimal and it's become a lot harder. I'm not going to be like, well, ideally I'd like to trade down here. Because obviously we want to trade down here most of the time. We're not going to get to do that. So it's going to get that out of the way. So it's not said later. I used to be like a trade down guy. Now I would consider myself just a trade guy.

Like I think the key is like you want to you want to be the one manipulating the draft board. I don't I don't really want to be the one just stick in and pick in at my slot. Like whatever you do, I think. The key is to really be dynamic throughout the draft where you want to be thinking about how the larger economy of the draft is functioning and how your trade fit within that. You want to be taking advantage of any chance. If you can be really observant of how the trade economy is functioning, and if you can get

trade ups that are cheaper than other people are trading up, you can get trade downs a little bit better. And then you want to be thinking too about, you know, you want to have a good feel for the ADP of the draft. and you want to kind of know where where do I want to be drafting what positions at at EDP in what portions of the draft and then how you play those early rounds how do you set yourself up to be picking in spots that you think are favorable where you're more likely to get the end of your tear breaks and where if you need a certain position you've positioned your later picks to be in a good spot to grab that position and you want to be doing that before everybody else realizes it like I'm I'm in a couple of drafts right now I'm I'm in one Devy draft right now where I think, like, we're in the eighth round. I think I've already made seven trades. I made my first pick when I was on the clock.

Every other pick that I have made since that time. And actually every pick of mine starting from my second pick all the way through round 12, none of them are being made in my original draft slot. I'm moving everywhere. I moved up to get a second first round pick. I didn't pick it all in the second or third. I picked twice in the fourth. I picked twice in the fifth.

I didn't pick in the sixth. I picked twice the seventh. Like it's all over the place. And a lot of that is just, you know, if you can kind of grind some of the edges, if you can pick your spots and get your tear breaks, I think you can really be proactive. And you want to be looking around, two rounds ahead.

What position group do I want to be picking there? Where's the end of that tier break? Can I get out of this pick for that? What if there's a pick I don't think I want that is three rounds away? Can I find a way to move that pick out of there ahead of time before I come on the clock? and everybody realizes nobody wants to be stuck picking there. It's a constant process.

I think you want to be dynamic and you want to be vigilant. Yeah, it's important. And not everyone can. Like that's a very specific, I know there are some guys that when a draft starts, they are sending the same trade to 10 different managers because they have the time to do that. We understand not everybody can.

But like Jacob said, like that is a really good point in being hyperactive in your drafts. I think that's a good lead-in. and it's a great start. What we're going to do is we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, I'm going to fire up this draft board and have to remove a bunch of picks that are going to auto pick. And then we are going to obviously go from there.

So sit tight, quick break, and we come back. It is draft time. All right, here we go. So here is our draft. Remember that we are drafting off of the Dynasty Data Lab ADP. And it is, of course, third round reversal. As mentioned, I just have to edit that filter in here. It's already accounted for.

This is ADP for the last month. So May 11th to June 11th is what we are drafting off of. I am excited. Let's see what the chat has said for spots. I suggest second, seventh, and 11th. I like that. We have seventh or eighth after the top four QBs and a top couple wide receivers,

maybe a curveball or two. Ferris wants 11. And I think that's it for now. Also, Brian says, Ryan, you're probably going to go Wix 101. We understand that you're moving the needle, but that might be a little bit dress. Dress, that's not even a word.

What's our decision-making process here, by the way? Is this a majority vote? Is this a ranked ballot? Is this how, what's our, what is our tri-part decision-making process? I'm going to say dual to the death is probably how it's going to go. I expect us to actually make it through three rounds with how much we're probably going to dispute some of these picks. But I think we'll end up going majority. I think we'll just have to fight until there's one person standing with their pick.

which is going to be very difficult for Ryan and I, as we are doing battle with a known lawman, this might get difficult. So far, I think the most common answer is seventh. So I think seventh is going to be our spot. Personally, it's one of my favorite spots with third round reversal.

I think that's another part of it that we didn't talk about, is where are you drafting? Because for me, if it's third round reversal, I do not want a top six pick. Give me, give me eight or nine specifically because it helps me avoid runs but it is my favorite setup because most of the time the player that I want in the second round is generally always there

unless I know someone in the room is going to absolutely nerf me for it but like even 10 is like a really good spot pick 12 right now is a is nightmare fuel to me and we'll talk why yeah I still want to be top three I still I still want to get one of the top three players I think there's enough of separation after three that I'm content to pick there. But once those three are gone, then I agree. I don't, I've kind of mathed out of how each of these slots work out next to my base pick system. And there's not, it's pretty flat. There's not that much of a difference when you add in the third round reversal to the point where I then prefer being in the middle because it allows me to manipulate the draft board best. It's just easier when you're trying to do

trades to be having, you know, a pick in the middle of every round versus picks that are just back to back on the edges. It's easier to avoid these big runs in between your picks. Like if, you know, for me, it's all about opportunities to move around the draft board. And I'm viewing these picks largely as just the capital by which I'm going to do that. So it's easier to do, I think, if you're picking five, six, seven, eight than if you're at one of the ends. But I, all things considered, if I have the chance to draft Alan Mahomes Stroud, I'm going to do that. Stroud at 3 Ryan

One in my most recent startup Ryan you recently I'm going to take a 7 here I'm going to hit the button you recently talked on the app formerly known as Twitter about

kind of pylon quarterback ADPs and one thing I did a little bit of diving is CJ Stroud was just a couple interceptions away from Trevor Lawrence so let's talk about his ADP

and where where he's sitting and everything that you talked about previously as I hit start to this draft. Yeah, I mean, anything I said on Twitter today would have been more geared toward redraft and just kind of comparing his ADPs with other pocket passers that project similarly this year.

In Dynasty, obviously, the conversation is a little bit different just in terms of career-long upside for a player like Stroud. So I am mostly with Jacob. I prefer to pick near the top of the, draft for most of the same reasons. I would just say I absolutely hate being on the turn. On either turn, the 12 is worse, though.

And the reason for that is I find myself, like, thinking I can affect the runs or thinking that I can be the one to push the room in a certain direction, like, if I double tap a position. And it almost never works like that. But I just, for myself, I find I make a lot more mistakes when I'm on the turn. and thinking I have more control of the room than I do. And then, of course, as Jacob alluded to, a lot harder to trade when you're on the turn,

just because of the distance between your picks, you're kind of trying to claw into the middle of rounds. It's just very difficult to be an active drafter and an active trader from those spots. I don't hate it that much because I'll just find a way to get off the turn pretty fast. Like I'll just figure out whatever trades I need to make to not be picking there. but it's definitely aggravating at the start. I definitely prefer to avoid it.

I think it gives you, I think what it can give you is the better shot at being the high end of a tier rather than being forced to pick a player at the bottom of that tier. I think it just kind of, for me, tier breaks,

you're better off towards the end for setting the new standard of what that tier is, rather than have to pick up, more of the safe scraps of that tier at least early what I have found is late though you really have to make a flag stance and plant it through some of these guys at later rounds which we'll get into when we get there we're looking at one seven this is an easy pick for me so far we have Mahomes Alan Stroud then Hertz Lamar and Jefferson off the board one through six we're sitting at seven this is a super easy decision for me, but I want to get Ryan and Jacob here first in chat. You can please chime in. I don't think it's an easy decision. I picked at eight in each of my most recent startups, so a pretty similar spot to this. And I played it both ways. I did one way, one time. I did it the other way the

next time. I'm not even 100% certain which way I liked better, although one time I ended up just treating up to the 110. So I got, I got both the guys that I was debating. between. The way it kind of shakes out for me is I, my preference, like an early in the draft, it's all about maintaining flexibility. So if I, you know, at the end of the day, I'm going to go with my ranks, but my preference, unless there's a major break between them, is to come out of the first two rounds, one quarterback and one wide receiver. And that kind of lets me, I feel like, um, manipulate the rest of the board the way that I want to. I don't hate two quarterbacks, but you then do run the risk of what if it's a draft where quarterbacks are falling

further than you think, how much are you willing to be the quarterback hoarder and just keep taking, just keep taking them? So because I prefer to do one-on-one, I think that I like the quarterback caliber that tends to fall to this other side a little bit more than I like the wide receivers that do. But it's hard because you don't know exactly who people are going to take. but that's where I lean. I think most simulations, I would rather do something like Chase,

Kyler, Chase Lawrence, Chase, Love, than Burrow and then whichever of those wide receivers is available. Like Garrett Wilson, Puka. Well, if it's Wilson,

I'm going to be kicking myself a little bit, but if it's not Wilson, then I'm going to be okay. I'm interesting. I actually have a hard time drafting Garrett Wilson early round two because he is, and we have seen that he's a little bit contingent

on quarterback to hit his upside. Like he just, he is a little bit. And Rogers is kind of an iffy, you know, bet for multiple years of production. I think he's perfect fine. I think just like not having Zach Wilson is the major issue. I think that's fine. But at that early two price for me is where it breaks. Ryan, is this an easy call for you?

Yeah, I'm kind of similar to Jacob. It really is I just stared down this draft for him and say, yeah, do I think the quarterbacks I prefer are going to fall? or do I think the wide receivers I prefer are going to fall. And at this spot, when I can draft Jamar Chase, he is my wide receiver one in my rankings. I'm just going to take Chase most of the time and be cool with that. So yeah, no arguments for me at all.

Yeah, Jamar Chase was, I wouldn't have blinked at that pick because I am not drafting Joe Burrow there. because I just think his his warp projection is fairly similar to a bunch of other quarterbacks week over week and I'm just okay betting on that.

Pick 10. The other nice thing to these days is like the way that now we have some of these quarterbacks at fall in the third and I don't know what ADP like exactly is that this is, I know it's DDR, I just mean like I don't know exactly how it orders, which is good, so I can't cheat. But the nice thing is usually I also tend to like your chances sometimes of getting

either DAC or May in the third. And so I'm okay then in this setup being like Chase, quarterback quarterback, or if something crazy happens, it's like super, super quarterback bullish room. It doesn't look like this is going to be going wide receiver and then a running back for wide receiver and then, you know, hoping to maybe, maybe you trade up a little bit and you secure DAC in the third round as your QB1. That's a totally fine setup as well. Yeah, I would agree completely. It's, I feel like even in the super quarterback hungry rooms, there is always kind of one quarterback that for some reason people are not hot on. Very often, it's Justin Herbert

nowadays. And yeah, Herbert almost makes us back to us here. I would have like, I would have, I would have, torn my, oh my God, what was it called? The remedial, whatever, whatever fucking fake tendon, Christop's porzine, it's torn. I would have torn that sprinting to the podium for Justin Herbert here, but. Oh, see, I'm the opposite. Give me Kyler over Herbert. Tyler over Herbert all day for me.

Well, luckily we don't have to make that choice. I totally know. So let's talk about the players. We drafted Chase at 7. We went Lambeau. Caleb at 110 to me is just a click I can't make. it's way too high it's two damn high

for me Anthony Richardson at 111. I think the Aminrah Marvin slot at 12 is just so mint in my opinion especially with the third round reversal with quarterbacks. See you give me Amin Rae Marvin and Dak on the way back

and I'm just I'm a happy camper I hold on I think there was a mistake here who's paused. Yeah I think I think we It doesn't matter. You can just add whoever's next. We don't have to...

Oh, no, no, no. I told you I am doing it to how it is. Anyway, let's talk about your Herbert thing, because you and I have disagreed on this. Yeah, and Justin Herbert's one of the best quarterbacks in the world, and he'll be one of the best quarterbacks in the world for longer than your league will survive. If you can take him in the second round,

I just think it's just easy money there. I mean, I don't know what exactly our settings are. I always assume six points. If I'm not told otherwise, the majority of my league are six point. It is six point passing touchdown, tight end premium superflex. Yeah, so like in a six point passing touchdown league, I'm far more content to take the Herbert Burrow Strout archetype and prioritize them a little bit more. Certainly in a four point, that's less the case. But I don't really think it's that big of a scoring loss where if you can have just passing touchdown upside really racks up quite a bit.

six point if you can get that 40 touchdown season upside out of someone and i know i don't love the current situation for herbert i think i mean seasonal leagues i think it's it's kind of insane to me it's been a big overreaction um towards his passing volume expectation when we just know like what was it we had on we had scott on here that said this or um or is it uh high low on the best ball show but someone was talking about the correlation between passing touchdowns and quarterback fantasy production. Like the whole idea that just because Herbert's going to throw less passes this year, he's going to throw for less yards this year, like that's frankly more relevant for his

receivers because what matters the most is passing touchdowns, not passing attempts and passing yards. So if he's still efficient and he's able to throw for touchdowns, I don't think it's going to be that bad. You think back to like those Russell Wilson years with the Seahawks, he was still very consistently in the mid range of QB1, despite low volume. volume. And, you know, there's expected to be efficient. He, of course, comes off the board. So to me, this is, like, not even a close decision. I'm sprinting to the podium for

Kyler Murray here personally. Yeah. I don't know how anybody else feels. Yeah. I, just to jump in on the Justin Herbert a little bit. Yeah, he's run kind of cold in TD rate, like, since his first two seasons. And I, I just have to relate it back to Caleb Williams there. Like, Justin Herbert came in as a rookie, had one of the best rookie seasons we've ever seen out of a quarterback is there. We're just, just projecting better than that for Caleb Williams, I guess. So yeah, I'm very much not interested in the Caleb Williams ADP. They're totally interested in the Justin Herbert ADP. But yeah, really the only reason that I am not getting a lot of Justin Herbert in startups right now

is because you can very often get Kyler Murray after. And I'm quite happy to do that as well, just kind of leading into this pick. I don't think, yeah, unless anyone has objections. I'm assuming this is kind of another easy one for us. It's Kyler. Per ADP, it's Breece Hall, but I'm just not tapping a running back in any startup draft. I'm doing Kyler here every time.

If it's the one-seven slot, like my realistic hope, and I understand Herbert falls in some leagues. I think he's a player with a lot of variants. Most of people that I play with are drafting Herbert in the first round of startups. And he's not... Interesting.

This range. But if you're playing with other people, I think maybe focus a little bit more on the projection aspect of it. You might see him in the second round. This is like the baseline expectation of what I'm hoping for the 170. Let's get Jefferson or Chase

and then let's get Kyle Murray. Kyle Murray or Herbert. Even Love, I'm very much okay with. It's a 0.5 10-in premium. I saw someone ask that. You know, Brian, this is a 0.5 tight-end premium. So obviously this is the nut start. A little less comfortable with Jordan Love.

Like I specifically, when I was at this, spot here where I take and chase and I had the opportunity to trade up and I only gave up a sixth to sixth round to seventh round move back and I could just go up

and secure borough in the first instead of dealing with the Jordan Love question. I was pretty happy to do that and just to me it's like ensuring your bet like Jordan Love I think people like talk about the upside of Jordan Love and it's very real from an NFL perspective

I don't think that he runs as much as people maybe think that he does like he's he's not a status. but he's not exactly Jalen Hertz out there. It doesn't run meaningfully more than Justin Herbert runs. I would just prefer to take the players who I think are equally good, but we've seen them for more than a half season if the cost is pretty limited. And right now the market doesn't make you pay that much to go and get,

oh, man, that was a dagger from me personally. So we had to, we had to make some changes just because we are picks have changed what ADP is according to Dynasty Data. Lab. No team would take three quarterbacks. And if you're in a league that starts a draft for three quarterbacks, mock that individual relentlessly and tell him that you pray that one of these quarterbacks turn into a wide receiver. I would start that way if the draft. No. Brother, seek help.

I know who I'm taking here. So after, after Kyler Murray, we had Breece Hall, Jemir Gibbs, Pooka, Garret Wilson, Sam Laporte of the 211, A.J. Brown, 212. Jane and Daniels at 3-1 is an interesting click for me that I don't know if I can make. Tyree Kill, Malik Neighbors, Chris Olive, and Trevor Lawrence. This is a third round reversal. So we are back. We are at the 3-6. Yeah, to me, this is the, a really ideal start where if you can secure chase

and then you come back and you get Kyler and you get Dak Prescott, that to me is like the best possible world where I, I basically have started, in my mind, I've started quarterback quarterback because I feel like I'm getting those two secure top end quarterbacks that I want to have. And then I just, instead of that third round pick being a Jalen Waddle, you know, that third round pick is now Jamar Chase, right? And it almost feels like I've just cheated on the field by taking a slightly cheaper quarterback quarterback duo and then just getting a much higher quality for. Yep. Yeah, you pretty much read my mind, loved at Crescott here. Just kind of eliminating our other options looking at the other positions.

I have no interest in drafting a running back after Jemir Gibbs goes off the board for, I don't know, probably four, five rounds at the very least. They all just kind of seem the same to me after that. It's just kind of one big tier with fairly similar levels of job security long term. So nothing that is going to interest me there. tight ends, I also feel kind of similarly about where I think we have a great kind of top six, top seven tier of tight ends right now in Dynasty startups. But I am not generally trying to take my stance on who the tight end two is out of that if I can get away with it, if I can avoid that.

And yeah, so it's just very obviously, Dak Prescott to me. There's just after him, there's no. or like QB with that with that type of not only just there is one guy but you know there's always my guy

Drake May who's hanging out there so it'll never be Drake May for me and the third sample of production in the league so I I will make that Drake May bullet right there I am required to make my Brock Purdy case as I have he and Dak

rated fairly similarly especially with what looks like from everything we're hearing from Dallas beats is they are pretty much okay and comfortable letting DAC walk out of the building to sign Parsons and Lamb. So if it's a safety argument that you're looking for, if you want to double-tap quarterback, I wouldn't harp on anybody for drafting party in this spot.

The other argument I would just want to make, it is Jonathan Taylor. He's like the last player within a tier. The only problem and the reason I'm, I'm even mentioning this is because someone out there is going to ask, why don't we take, why don't you take a running back, bro? Jonathan Taylor's the last guy.

We talked to a Colts beat reporter today. That video will be coming out next week who basically said, like, it doesn't matter who the Colts second running back is. Anthony Richardson is the Colts RB2, right? They are planning to give 80% of the touches, the Taylor. This is an absolute workhorse and an elite talent in an offense that is going to open up for him. so if you want to make a case for a running back at any of the guys not drafted in that second round

to be RB1 again, Taylor would be your guy. Now, for me, not a pick that I would generally make here, but do just want to point out that if you were going to take a guy, if you missed that first wave, that would be the guy for me. And I did want to point out that it's not just clearly DAC for me,

even though I think he's one of the most underrated dynasty assets. I would make a case for party, but I know that I would lose that. two on one in this case. So we're going to draft DAC so we don't sit here and argue about Brock Purdy for an hour. So we are going to do that.

So we've started Chase Kyler, Dak. Like he's, um, I would never take him over Dak and I wouldn't take him over May. But if Doc and May were both gone, I would at least, I would at least, I would at least entertain a Taylor case relative to these watches.

Your love for May is just reaching a point that, like, you've gone too far. Like, I can't, third round Drake May is too far. It's too damn high. I mean, Daniels is already off the board, and he's not good. So I don't see the problem with taking me. I mean, he's going to rush for like 900 yards minimum. May is not going to play for four weeks. Okay.

That's going to really matter for. That's like the least convincing argument. No, but I'm just, I'm just saying like, I couldn't. care less. You're wondering why people are drafting Daniels in the third in the third round. He brings that rushing up. I'm not wondering why. I think people should be drafting Daniels in the third round.

I just think they should be drafting May first. Like I'm, I'm, I would be drafting. I have no problem with Daniels at that cost. Um, I think, I think that's fine.

Um, it's, it's may being undervalued to me and not, not Daniels being overvalued in relation to those two. I think, I mean, once you get past, like I don't, I don't have interest in the purdy.

and Tua and the Gough really particularly. So to me, once you get past like Dac and May and Daniels, then it's like sometimes they'll get in a draft where one of the Purdy Gough Tua McCarthy contingent really falls kind of disproportionate compared to the others. And I'll take that last one. Like actually I took that to a share in this current draft that I'm in. And it's also a campus to Canton draft. So you're feeling a little bit more quarterbacking.

secure. But like Purdy went off in the early third. Gough goes off with a three, four turn. Then McCarthy goes off. And I think I got two at like the four 12, where like I think all those guys are like basically just the same bet. And I would, I'm perfectly fine taking the last of them. Ryan was talking about the tight end stuff. I agree with that for the most part. I mean, we're talking about how to do the perfect draft. And I think ultimately, you want to make every dynasty draft its own thing, its own economy. But if we get a draft like this, which is going basically as ADP goes,

since we're drafting literally against it, my perfect draft and what I would kind of game plan around is, let's get two quarterbacks, one wide receiver through three, and then test out the room on what they're doing with wide receiver relative to tight end and try to get one of those elite tight ends and one of the last members of this sort of second. or third tier of young wide receivers in the fourth and the fifth. And if I can come away two quarterbacks, two receivers, one tight end through five,

that's kind of my ideal start. And then I can just kind of play values from there. Yeah. Go ahead. No, go ahead. You go ahead. You go ahead, Thomas. All right, gentlemen, you're sure you're not Canadian?

Bindles wants DAC versus T-law arguments. My argument is like T-Law has just never been as good as DAC. and I think he's just like, okay, DAC actually gives you the QB1 overall upside. Don't think Lawrence has it. Also, I think age is a little overblown at quarterback, not worried about age. To me, there is no,

there's no question. Like, I just, I want Dak well ahead of TLA. I'm digging Lawrence. I'm not even contemplating any alternative. You can't be trusted with Lawrence takes. I was like, heartbroken slash relieved that he went right before us

because it's like it's better for our friendship that we didn't have to have that argument. But if it was my team, I would have like just been crying. Can I, do you want to hear something insane? You want to know what my Trevor Lawrence roster ship is in Dynasty

aside from the team that we co-manage in the Scott Barrett Invitational? What is it? Any guesses? Well, I would have guessed zero, probably. Correct. I do not have a single share of Trevor Lawrence. I have moved them all

when he was at his highest value before he, when he was still being drafted in the, I completely Justin Fields to his ass in the last couple years. I mean, you should buy back because he was tremendously good last year and extraordinarily unlucky. He now gets a better group of skill players.

Every year, we'll have every single touch. I mean every year. He was great two years ago. Like, I don't know what the issue was. And then he's extraordinarily young. So you're getting with him versus dad. He was like Brock Purdyish. Is if Trevor Lawrence, like, goes out crushes this year, which you will, then he has the opportunity to spring back into the first

round of startups because you're getting that age upside. And I know, you know, I agree for the most part that the age is overvalued in terms of if this asset dies on your team. But you still have a much better chance, I think, of eventually being able to flip Lawrence into that late round one value. Then, I mean, Dak is coming off of like the best season of his career and he didn't really go up in value. He's just going to be idiots, what he is at this point in value until he declines. The problem with Trevor Lawrence is like just barely not as good as Brock Purdy has been. So like is he really like that standoutish when you put the data beside each other? Like what are you really gaining for a non?

Okay. Why do you say watch the tape on this podcast? I will say like get out of here. Get out of here. Watch the games. The only thing I need to watch about Trevor Lawrence is how many times he blatantly misses receivers downfield. like that's all just miss miss

well Calvin Ridley wide open miss it's truly a pandemic but luckily you know he has Gabe Davis and BTJ so I'm not even as worried about them even being open to begin with so maybe he will do better

you won't have to miss completely wide open wide receivers literally all day so we have now after we've taken DAC party went Taylor London ETN IEuk McBride

Tua Odu a Waddle, Barkley, Kincaid, and Gough. And now at this point, I am probably just going to unpause after our picks and let the computer do its thing. I think we are at a point where variance can take over. Bindle says, learn ball, bro. Brian says, watch the tape. That's an interesting spot of the draft.

Who do you guys like here? I have two that I'd be, I'd even go as far as three that I'd be happy with. I just want to say, I can't get a word and obviously on Trooper Lawrence between the two of you guys. But I will say even, even without watching the tape, even just purely looking at the numbers, I've been kind of in the weeds of like the Jaguars wide receivers last year. Calvin Ridley led the league in end zone targets. I don't think any wide receiver dropped more touchdowns than Calvin Ridley. So I can hear it. I mean, Lawrence, Dak, Purdy, I have all three ranked back to back, realistically would have been fine with taking any of them there.

But yeah, I mean, in this spot, I would, this is where, there's two ways I think you can go here. I am starting to feel the pressure a little bit at wide receiver. I would like to lock up kind of a younger, eliteish wide receiver. Right now, based on my rankings, that would be Nico Collins here. and just being attached to C.J. Stroud for the long term is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there, obviously. I would entertain Devon A. Chan here. Okay. So I know I just said I don't want to take running backs in this spot, but I will say, kind of going back to the Jonathan Taylor of it all,

the reason I don't like Taylor as much in startups right now is because if I'm drafting a running back early in startups, I want it to be a guy who's going to be at the top of his position just in terms of projected production in redraft like terms or whatever for multiple seasons for at least the next two to three years. That's not even really Jonathan Taylor this year. Like he's in the second round ADP of underdog graphs right now and I don't even, I'm not even really excited about him there. but A. Chan, I think if I were to pick any running back in this tier where if you turn around at the end of 2024 and told me, yeah, this is the guy that we're projecting as a top three running back for the next two to three seasons, that I would pick Devon A Chan out of sort of this crowd of running backs very, very clearly. So I prefer Collins here, but it would be okay with A Chan. Well, you know how I feel about this Nico thing. We could just draft Tankdale in like another round and, you know, get similar enough production. If I were to actually make a call here, and this is something that I haven't done a lot,

if we want positional scarcity, the last guy I care about is on the board in Brock Bowers. I think we have enough talented upside at every position that we can take this. kind of flyer on a what is supposed to be a generational we've kind of worked out that generational and dynasty is about five years uh because it seems like like every five to six years that's kind of the limit but contract right like this is a guy that pre draft process people were touting and by people i mean jacob and scott barrett on the show when i told him that the worst can happen and he wouldn't be the tight end one uh and the worst happened and he's not the tight end one but this is a guy pre draft process that allowed us why just victory lapping all those people's opinions

Like, can't we play football before we do that? Well, look, because I don't get many, and when I do, I have to just take my shot. But there's nothing but things happened yet. Can we just? All I'm saying is that the worst would happen, and opinions would change right away, and it did. That's it. That's all I'm saying. But with him being the last of that position that I would really want to pay up for,

I know the chat is saying Mark Andrews, Mark Andrews, Mark Andrews. Bowers are saying Bowers Andrews run to the podium A lot of people are saying Andrews I like Bowers here quite a bit Just because I mean I want a bit of that rookie That rookie quote unquote generational love I think Andrews is a

Is a fine play But I mean Ryan is listen to my bullshit On Mark Andrews quite a bit So I'm interested to hear what you guys say For me this is Bowers Ryan says A Chan is someone he would argue you with Nico. Jacob, who do you got? Well, I like two of the three names that have been floated.

For me, it's between really, really two guys, and it's half of Ryan's guy and Tom's guy. So I wouldn't be looking at A-chan personally here, really at all. I mean, I love the player, but that's a little too much volatility in my life, and especially just how we can usually attack the running back position a bit later on. for me it's it's about kind of the same ideas as how I talked through the first round which is like I want to come out of this in my ideal world this four five with one wide receiver and one tight end um and you know to me it comes down mostly to how you feel about um pits andrews and uh in the sense of like if i miss out on bowers like what i rather be what basically would i rather have nico collins and hope that i get one

of Andrews, Pitts or Bowers? Or would I rather just take my favorite of the three, which is Bowers, and then just accept whatever wide receiver comes to me in the fifth. And I don't know if that's Dell. I don't know if that's Higgins. I don't know exactly who that's going to be. I tend to lean towards the Collins route, but I'm totally fine with Bowers. So, like, I'm kind of, I'm pretty neutral on this.

We do between those two for me. We do still have Pits on the board as well. Yeah, my counter to Bowers, if you want to draft a generational tight end, was going to be what, well, why don't we just wait and draft Kyle Pitts if you really want a generational tight end? And I mean, that's what I would be hoping for. If this were a real draft, I'm clicking Nico Collins and praying. And I'm just as fine with Michael Pittman Jr.

For the same reasons that I'm happy with Tankdale post this round. This is why this fourth round can be so. one that I'm going to be into. Really? See, I'm, I'm all about Michael Pittman being an absolute dog in this offense. He's the, he guy,

the target earner. If we're expecting, he was the target earner in the, in the, in the Minshew offense. I don't know that he's, he's been a target earner in the last two offenses. And now he gets,

right, but the last two offense were like, we're like, poodle armed shot putters who threw a bunch of seven-yard drag routes. Like, I don't, I don't know that I love the fit with Richardson.

Um, Okay, interesting. I'm not, that's not something I've really been. And I don't love the, I trust I can. I trust I can. The way I, I mean,

this is more of a best ball take than a dynasty take because these guys obviously are just cheaper. And I've just been doing, I've been taking a ton of Richardson. I just play it through Mitchell and downs. And I'm pretty much ignoring Pittman. Okay, yeah. You won't catch me drafting AD Mitchell anywhere.

So I think that's fine. He would not be in my top like 10 receivers. Okay. So this is fine. is an interesting spot here. This is our first impasse. I thought maybe it'd be in the first three rounds, but it's really at the fourth round. We will go Collins because both of you guys have agreed on Collins. I think you, well, I think you just let Jacob decide between Bowers or Collins. I think that's how we. Yeah, I guess that's fair, right? You guys, one voted Bowers and one voted Collins. I'm, I, I,

drum rule. Probably the way I end up, man. Ah, man, this is tough. Is the contrary? track are going to sway you into drag. I would just never like, you know, I would just wouldn't make this pick. Like I would trade back from this pick because I'm saying. Right, right, obviously. But in. Make sure you get that in there.

Well, hey, that's the first time. Like the last, the last three picks I would have been, or no, Chase, I would have moved back a couple from that pick. But the Kyler and Dak, I would have been sticking and picking right away. I would have moved up for Waddle.

I would, we can just pick every guy that we would have moved up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Why are we drafting? All right. See, TD, I like TD's opinion here. I am going to make a slight lean to Nico Collins.

And the reason why is that I'm going to assume rational drafting. There's only five teams behind us. I'm going to assume none of them. We're going to double tap tight end. And so all we need is one of those three to fall to us. And then I'm happy with that decision. It looks like we got that. At this point,

I'm like sprinting to the podium for Mark Andrews. But I also know that we didn't, we boxed Tom out of the last pick. So you should at least get a shot. I did get, I expected to get boxed out on this podcast tonight. I was prepared for it. I like TD's argument. I'd say Nico here if Tank over Nico wasn't my personality.

And I agree. Tankdale is going to be there. And after Scott Barrett posting the games that Nico and Tankdale started and finished, how close they were in points per game. I am still, I am still wait on Nico and just draft Tankdale. But anyway, I guess my question is why not both?

Like I've done three startups this year. I've just taken both of them. Like, I mean, I'm telling you, right, like, my whole case is that I think Stroud is, like, worthy of consideration is as a clear top three. I think he's the greatest quarterback. I think he's the second greatest quarterback in NFL history. I think he's going to throw up for 5,000 yards and 45 touchdowns this year. Like, both Nico and Tank are great picks. Like, I'm super overweight on both of them in best ball.

I'm even taking wash digs. Like, I, I'm all on board on this Houston offense. Like, I'm happy to take two, why can't there be two talented young receivers tied to it? a once in a lifetime quarterback. You know, there's, your, like, going headstrong at quarterbacks makes me so nervous,

mostly because I'm jealous. Like, I wish I could be this headstrong on, on a take about a quarterback. So obviously, after our pick of me- know, we watched him last, you're really magical.

Kyron, H.N., Pittman Bowers, Devontas Smith, Walker, who falls well after ADP, Josh Jacobs, DJ Moore, T. Higgins and Kyle Pitts,

leaving us Mark Andrews on the board, which I believe we're all pretty in on. I'm for it, but I'm totally open to Tank Dell too. Interesting. So for Warp in a league like this, you really want that tight end one potential or really not at all.

For me, positional scarcity, like Mark Andrews is the last guy. Maybe T.J. Hawkinson, who I have ranked immediately after Mark Andrews. I'm not worried about his injury or anything like that for his dynasty outlook. It's just will he come back to us? I don't know because I don't know what this ADP is because I am not cheating here.

So for me, this is Mark Andrews pretty easily. I am not double-tapping wide receiver just because historically speaking two sustained upper-tier wide receivers for production is not common. So I'm fighting history here. a little bit. It's also not a best ball lineup, so you can't just pick which wide receiver went off all the time.

So that's really heavily contingent on that. And also, I mean, with our luck, let's be real, we're going to face the Stroud manager in the finals. He's going to throw. He's going to have digs.

He's going to, yeah, absolutely. And that's what's going to happen. The Dalton Shultz. So for me, for me, it's kind of an easy pick here,

because I don't want Zay Flowers at this point. I have no, no issue with Andrews. I love Mark Andrews. round five Andrews I just wanted to give you the chance to make a case for your boy tank Dell well my case for tank Dell's lost because you guys already took Nico but at the same time it's like there's no difference in this scenario

because we take a tight end and then we get Dell or do we take Nico and then we get a tight end anyway so in this situation I feel like it doesn't matter to have this argument for the take because again I think they're just such a similar player for me it is if there was just a tight end I loved a little bit more like I like Pitts more than Andrews so would I have rather taken Pitts

when I know I can get Tank Dell around later yeah absolutely but in this case we're really just fighting over say that I'm kind of scared about Kyle Pitts please no this is not a safe space anything you say will be argued back at you I guess I guess all I'm asking for is like I'm still drafting them and I still have them on my teams

and I'm not like creating them all away, and I'm still even taking him in basketball. It's just like, you know, I did that article yesterday. I'm going through all like the stats of a Jake Ferguson that why I don't think he's good. And then I like bring up all the lists of comparable tight ends. I'm like, man, it kind of sucks that Kyle Pitts is the only one on this list. Who's worse than Jake Ferguson?

And it's like I here, yeah, so Ferris brings up the injury. And I 100% agree that. that I think the injury is the dominant cause of why he was so bad. What I'm not 100% sure of is like just because he was bad because he was hurt doesn't mean that he'll then just get all of that back. Like sometimes players just get hurt and then they aren't good anymore. And that's that's more my fear. And all I'm saying is I guess I just wish that after a player is like horrible for two years

in a row, actually horrible for one year and produced horrible for two years in a row. I just wish I got a discount. It would be nice if I got a discount. I would love to like to be able to just be like, yeah, man, like all in on pits again, which I still am regardless. It's just a little bit uncomfortable, that's all. But I also totally agree with David that like, yeah, Halpins could be dynasty tight end one by before. I totally, totally.

I can see both scenarios. That's all. I mean, you are getting a discount though, right? Like in best ball, Drake London is a top 12 wide receiver. He's never produced like that. that's you're paying up for Drake London. Yeah. And I mean,

I might even be more of a London truther. I mean, I've been truthering for both. That's the thing. It's like, I've been truthering for both these guys while they weren't doing anything. So if I didn't pick them now that they're positioned to do stuff,

I don't know how I'd live with myself. Yeah. But like, am I going to tell you that Drake London is like a good early second round redraft pick? Like, I don't think that he is. Like that's like pretty insane to me. So I don't know.

It's like, I guess we're doing that. All right. I guess I'm doing that. With London specifically, I agree, it's definitely a leap of faith into like the, he had incredible peripherals that we're projecting the offense is going to look significantly better for fantasy production. I agree there are a lot of kind of off ramps there that aren't as good for an early

second round pick. But with Pitts, you're paying the exact same that you were paying for him last year in all formats. And I am fine with that when we, we didn't really know. about the extent of the injury last year and where now the offense is very likely to be much better. I would think at 24, is he 22, 24, 23? I don't know. Young hyper athletic, insanely highly drafted tight end. Yeah, he younger than you think. I would think that this is, if I'm picking players that aren't going to be the same after an injury, it's not a player that looks like Kyle Pitts. Right. that's not the thing I'm worried about with him.

So, yeah, I, I'm all in on pits this year. And I, just to be clear, I've not been like a crazy pitch person for the last, last year I was in on him some, but his first year or two in the league, I was, I was kind of like, okay, whatever. I don't see the projection here. But now, now I do. Right. I'm, and the cost is the same.

I'm various. So after our Mark Andrews pick, it's James Cook, Rashad White, Zayflowers. Isaiah Pacheco. D.K. Metcalfe, Jordan Addison, Tankdell, Xavier Worthy, Travis Kelsey, George Pickens, Debo, and Brooks just went before us. Before we make our play.

Before, yeah, I mean, I guess we transition to the sleeper ADP somewhere along here because, that's what I said. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, if we don't take round six, Drake May, I'm like coming to your home. Yeah, I'm not. I don't know if I'm taking that. Look, before we make our pick, I just want to point out that.

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I want him in that offense. I want him with the newly minted Justin Jefferson, the maybe above average Jordan Addison, but the actually studly T.J. Hawkinson in a KOC offense. I said pre-draft process, that hasn't changed for me, that I want McCarthy in Minnesota over any quarterback that goes to New England. That's not J. and Daniels. I'm standing by that. I am drafting by that.

I still want J.J. McCarthy, who is also more mobile than P.N.N.N. people give them credit for. I'm taking JJ McCarthy here. Look, we say goes to New England as if we know absolutely anything about the New England offense as it's going to look this year. We don't we don't know anything about how that's going to turn out. That's fine. This was the same argument people used with CJ Stroud last year.

I don't want anyone that goes to that Texans. So we have one insane outlier and we're just banking that. It's not that we have one insane outlier. It's that quarterbacks make their own landing spot. Yes, they make their own environment. They make their own landing spot. One of the things I am ranting about on every show and every article, every sleeper list or whatever this offseason is we kind of do this every single year

where we just leave an offense for dead because they have the stink on them from last year. even if none of the component parts are even the same, that it made no sense with the Texans last year. It makes no sense with the Patriots this year. All of those guys are huge, huge best ball redraft values right now. Sure. They absolutely love taking him here. We can be the annoying friggin people that draft three QBs early

and then try to trade off one of them and get their value. They are both project players, right? There's no such thing as like a perfect. quarterback prospect. Like I don't think it really exists. Time has proven that. I say all the time, only God knows how to scout quarterbacks.

I know that one of them has Justin Jefferson and an elite play caller running their offense. So I want that guy. This is the offense that had Nick Mullins absolutely setting people up for the finals. Like it just in an offense that works and clicked and we know it. Look at where getting set up gets you.

Like that's like, see, Purdy, round three, two, a round four, golf round four. Like, that's, I mean, frankly, like, McCarthy here is insane value. Like, I mean, this won't happen in your leagues, but like, I mean, if somehow I ever fell out into a league that actually drafted like this, I would just trade everything into round the pick right behind me. I'm hungry, I'm hungry, but like, that's, like, that's what, if McCarthy is just like a minorly competent quarterback, like, I'm sure he'll get.

carried into that golf party and to his own. And I like him better than all three of those guys. I would take him ahead of any of the three of them because I think he has upside to be more than that. But I'm still not taking him over Drake May, who is a quarterback that I think we should have tons and tons of conviction on based on everything that he did in college, how often he was trusted to lead a college offense throwing at an extremely high rate, being efficient, being a guy who throws deep at an extraordinary rate, being a guy who runs at an extraordinary

rate being a guy who's been able to manage a developed pro style actual offense instead of just you know not having as much of a comprehensive dropback game by being nurtured as is the way I'll put it in the Michigan system like I I love him McCarthy at this price but I would never click him over May I mean I have May ranked over Dak Prescott and dynasty I mean I didn't make yeah yeah I think I think you're out of your mind I would have taken him in round three I think you're out of your mind I mean we're taking Caleb in the first round and I definitely not to him. I said Caleb at 1-10.

I think you're out of your mind to have Drake May over deck. I think that that is, I think that is just the like, I don't even know how to put it. I just think that it's just like the dynasty galaxy brain thought. I mean, like, yeah,

there's, okay, I mean, there's, there's downside risk. Like, he could bust. He could also be a lot.

In the third round, that can sink you. Not really. My brother. Like the third overall, like, okay, if he's, if he is, if he's a truly elite quarterback, then, then he's going to be an early first round startup pick next year. He's been worth four firsts. Like, if he's busts him, who cares?

I mean, the same thing goes through, like, any, any of these, either of these players is, like, totally unreasonable to ever slide this far. It's like, you're basically paying late first value on them. And it's a price that could easily triple by week eight. So you're, you're just getting an absolute steal in either direction. but I just don't think that these players are comparable. At least I know I'm just not going to have any Drake May. Like if that's,

if that's where he's at, there's just other guys. Not for you, but we're going to end up making a Drake May bet. I already know that we are. Please. I hope. But we're at an hour.

This pot yet is going to be three hours long. Let's stop arguing about drafting him in the third and drop him in the sixth. I don't. I'm, for the record, I'm so against this pick. But I'll make it. Derek Henry.

I'll make it, but I'm not happy about it. If McCarthy comes back, we could just click him really quickly. Oh, God. Oh, look, boom. You did come back, which is hilarious. Like, we're still trying to build the perfect draft here, and I don't know of four tapping quarterback.

Oh, are you kidding me? I mean, I would, I mean, yeah, it is. I mean, this is a goofy draft because the sleep for 80p is messed. But, uh, yeah, I mean, But how do you, like on a strategy standpoint, how are you looking at this and going, yeah, give me four quarterbacks? I'm going, give me the best player. And McCarthy is like two tiers better than anybody else available to me. So I'm clicking him very, very quickly and I'm not even thinking twice about it.

Because it's not like you're just sticking Derek Carr on your bench. Like, great. My quarterbacks are Kyle Murray and Dak Prescott. I'm going to just put Drake May and J.J. McCarthy out of sight out of mine. And I'm going to see how they look this year. and if they balloon into first round startup assets, awesome. I can trade them for anything that I want. And if they don't, then they just sit on my bench.

But like, it's just a total value bet. Yeah. No, he's right. I mean, quarterback is the only position you can do that with in Superflex, in my opinion. Like, I don't think the same thing works anywhere else. But, yeah, I think you just accept we're going into this year with the, theoretically less projection at the wide receiver and the running back positions, but you're giving your roster like this massive, massive out,

this massive massive upside just on your bench in terms of a value bet. So yeah, I do, I will, I'll caution that if a league was this weird, I would just kind of be looking around and trying to figure out why nobody else seems to value the quarterback position. And if that is something I'm going to run into further. That's important to note. Yeah. But aside from that, I just philosophically, I'm fine with that if this work.

I mean, realistically, what I would do is if somehow I got into this league, I mean, the first thing I'm doing is I'm just putting Kyler and Dak on the block and seeing what I could do. There's several things that I might do, but none of them would include bypassing a seventh round J.G. McCart. I'll say that it's important to note, like you said, we're trying to have the perfect strategy. you do have to play the board as it comes to you. Now, I'll kick and I'll scream and I'll whine and I cry over players that I don't. Just listen. You are, sir, can I finish?

Please can I finish? Look, I will whine and cry if, right, a situation arises where there's a player I clearly want ahead of somebody else that still just happened to fall to me. And my co-manager says, no, like, I really want this. if at the end of the day that player does come back to you and like Jacob and Ryan said, they're so clearly far and away better, you play the board that is in your hand. You cannot force a pig.

It's, oh no, I only have two wide receivers. Well, I have to draft Keon Coleman here. You're not drafting Keon Coleman above J.G. McCarthy and Superflex rookie drafts. So when you're building the perfect roster, you have to give yourself maximum liquidity and maximum upside. Now again, I will make the like peasant's case for why I want players over players,

but you're looking at a guy like McCarthy here. He's not going to fall to the seventh. But how we can put this into a situation that might be realistic for you is if you just see a glaring value sitting there that is confirmed by ADP, you just take that value. So that's what we're going to do. I just wanted to make sure I could word that in a way that makes sense for the video. So I don't get blamed in my DMs for clickbait titlemaking.

Because at FantasyPoints.com, we actually create the content that we are saying that we're going to make unlike some sites out there that just hook you. So shout out to FantasyPoint. Get out of here. Okay. For the record, like, I would just literally, like, if this was in my league, I would, obviously, I would just keep clicking quarterbacks for forever. But I'm just going to pretend that the quarterbacks are going off the board and we can't see them so that we can just make this more actionable podcast. We can take your favorite player that you wrote about today, Jake Ferguson? Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for here. Can we pan over away from the quarterbacks so that I can look at some name that is Terry McLaren? Obviously, obviously,

Right. We have some running back options. Right. Some wide received. For me, this is Amari Cooper, Christian Kirk all day. Yeah, I like Kark here. Pretty, pretty handedly. Obviously, after our McCarthy picked Devante Adams, which makes me big sad. Stefan Diggs, Javante Williams, Trey Benson, Joe Mixon, Alvin, Camara, Keon Coleman, Tony Pollard, before Spears, insane. My guys, Amir White, getting hyped.

hopefully you are in on him in February when I wrote him up, and I had to convince Ryan to let me do it. George Kittle, Cooper Cup, and then obviously David and Joku. So we are sitting here in the eighth round. We have gone. Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. No, I'm kidding. Jamar Chase, Kylie Murray, Dak, Nico, Andrews, May and McCarthy.

Those last two picks obviously aren't likely to happen, but you do have to pounce on values that falls. For me, this is quite easily Amari Cooper, but I can be talked into Christian Kirk as well. I'm Kirk. I like Kirk better and redraft. Shocker. All right.

I'll break the tie and I'm on Amari Cooper as well. I do. I like him better in redraft. And I, yeah, I just, Amari Cooper's redraft upside is. There's a lot of redraft talk on this podcast today.

Well, what do you expect? You have me and Jacob on. Literally all the two of us do all, all day is think about best ball. Well, Cooper and Cooper in Super Bowl draft. I'm sorry that that's my frame of reference right now, Thomas.

I can't sit here like you do and just do Dynasty startups all day. That's not actionable content for me to make, for me to write up. I'm sorry. Got on averse? I'm just going to let it sit. Oh, my God. I love that. I mean, you're totally right.

It's best ball summer. I mean, for the rest of it. record, you literally bring up two guys who go directly next to each other. So every single time you're at the four or five turn an underdog, you're making the decision. Do I want Christian Kirk or if I want a Mari Cooper? And I have chosen Christian Kirk every single time. Interesting. And, you know, I don't think it's like a crazy thing to prefer Amari Cooper. I think so, I mean, ultimately, like, it's an easy choice for me in Dynasty because even if I just say, hey, they go next to each other, they're comparable. I'll just take the younger one,

but I don't have an issue with it. I like both of them. I would be clear. They're They're both in the values. I like two other guys that are kind of of the same style. But I also think that this room might starve us at a running back before it starts us sort of receiver. So I would be fine with if I'm going receiver, I'm going Godwin or Deonté, but I'm totally fine with a running back pick here. They're all the same.

But I don't know, probably like the spirit, no, Spears is gone. maybe Warren, maybe B-Rob. Can we make a total upside case, or I'll ask Ryan if he can, he's your guy, he's your next Tyree Kill. Could you make an upside case for Christian Watson in this spot with the receivers that we're currently walking around with? I mean, you can. Or is he firmly, like, just behind Chris Godwin and Deontay for you?

Well, it depends what you want, right? So if you want, if you're going to say, yeah, I want projectable points, which is a fair thing to want. I understand that. Yeah. Then, no, Watson is probably not the move here. But if you want, I want somebody who can move up the board in value, that's Christian Watson, I think, very clearly out of all of these wide receivers. So, I mean, based on how we've built our team, where we have. Drake May and J.J. McCarthy kind of already like burning a hole in our bench in terms of

these are guys that we're just making value bets on. I would lean toward I want the production at wide receiver. Yeah, I kind of. We made our bed in that regard, I think, when we took the 29-year-old receiver. Like we had a pivot point where we could have put Mark Andrews on the trade block and committed to the tank. But we're now committed to trying to win this on a shoot. string budget here so I I support points I don't care which one I don't know do you like Gobbin more do you like Deontay more Hollywood Brown I don't really like Hollywood Brown very much this year but I understand that he actually goes ahead of both of these guys in baseball so uh if you want to make the case for him I get it uh any running back consideration that's on the board currently

that you're happy with in this case like I know all three of us are team don't draft RBs but sitting in the ninth round I'd be Warren or B Rob personally but I like most of these guys pretty equally. So I'm a big Brian Robertson guy myself, but I don't think I'm doing that over wide receivers. I think, yeah, I think Ridley is a guy that I think should see some consideration.

Yeah, that's worth while. Although I don't, I don't believe the head coach in Jacksonville has ever been a primary play caller, at least in the last couple years from the coaching data that I've been tracking. So as much as we like love his,

where he's coming from, like a philosophy standpoint and what we can kind of project him to do, based on the coaches that he's worked under, not being that primary play caller and not exactly having any idea of what's going to happen with that offense and how he's going to manage it is a little scary for me. So I'm kind of just taking Hopkins because he's cheaper, right?

Even though Ridley might be the better wide receiver at this point, but I know Ryan's made some great cases for Hopkins. Did you know DeAndre Hopkins led the entire NFL in air yards last year? I did. Insane. I know all that. I'm going to break the tie. while we discussed DeAndre Hopkins.

I was like, I know. You just adopted the Hopkins. I was born in it. Pretty much, yeah. But I just want to here come the quarterbacks. Okay. I was born in it. Moaded by it.

Chris Washington did go. Calvin Ridley did go. Be rock, be rob, be rock, be rock. So we are drafting a running back here in the 10th round. Totally fine, by the way. So unless I'm missing one, I believe my, and maybe I am missing him on the board because I don't see him in the queue, but I think Marshawn Lloyd is my highest ranked running back right now.

Oh, there he is. My man. My man. Okay. Why would I take round three rookie running back who is currently a backup and we hope is a starter over the round three running back who just is a starter? Sure. So he's not project.

He's not projectable points. I agree. So if yes, leaning into that, that might be where we go. But just in terms of do I think Brian Robinson is going to turn into anything of note as a dynasty asset? No, I think Lloyd has an outside shot to do that. I think he has at least somewhat of a three-down skill set. The way that they're already talking about him, it gets me excited. So I could see going there, but I have Robinson like one or two spots.

fine. So I'm fine going that direction. You guys can do the Lloyd thing if you want. I mean, you'll never get my vote for Lloyd. I think he's ass. So you guys, you guys can do that.

He's nowhere even close to my top rookie running back here. But I understand that of the dynasty points community, I walk a lonely road on the Marshawn Lloyd fade. So I, I'll let you guys do as you wish if that on that.

Nice, nice Green Day reference. No, no Jameson Williams consideration. I mean, I've been told that he's breaking out this year. I'm with Deonté here, but I'm kind of good on a receiver. I think we need a running back, but I've told.

How many wide receivers do we start? Oh, okay. Right. It's the standard two flex, start two wide receivers. And if there was another flex in. I mean, I would definitely be going Deonti, but. I mean, not that he would even be my pick next round, but like I look at how far he's down the ADP list.

Like, I'm promising you guys if you want your Marshaun Lloyd that, we can just take him in the next round. Yeah. You're so adamantly against March on Lloyd. Take him in the 15th. But I mean, look, I'm telling you guys, you could have him in the 11th if we want him. Okay, okay. I just don't get this guy, man.

Like, he doesn't do anything. He's good at football, bro. Yeah, what is the season? I have 14 carries? Have you watched the tape? Yeah, watch the tape, Jacob. It doesn't impress me. I watched it.

And I see a guy who does not make decisions. We had, Joe Dolan and I had Aaron Nagler on, who is a in the weeds, Packers beat, who suggested that like AJ Dillon's not even likely to make the team this year. And with how they rotate backs and how much they love Marchon Lloyd, like he has just got that explosive roll lockdown at this point. And if it really hedges on whether or not he can improve his past. pro enough for them to feel comfortable by week four or five by week four or five if that is the case he's firmly going to have that Aaron Jones role in this offense uh big big plays 65% of the snaps yeah I firmly think he can get there I don't think Jacob makes it through the

season so I'm fully fully fully on board yeah I think Marshaun Lloyd seeing that snap right nothing it's going to happen jump the shark like I mean I mean, Josh chickens get hurt. Like I'm not, I totally buy the, I'm not saying that he is going to be out there. Like in,

when I say the Aaron Jones role, I mean the explosive play, past catching, like upside role that he had in that offense, not the snap rate. Because their thing with Aaron Jones and the reason they let him go was because they just couldn't keep him on the field.

Like we always say, he would have like three great plays tap his helmet and then no one knows why he's not on the field to the fourth quarter. Right? Like, that's why they let him go in the first place i don't think they're as committed to like josh jacobs being that like elite touch share guy considering they gave him a glorified one-year

contract well i buy it like they're going to do a you know somewhat of rotation and i buy that lloyd's going to be the other guy but like i i guess what i what i just don't buy is why 35% like committee back marshawn lloyd is like supposed to excite me like that was like Charbonnet was last year. Nobody's, nobody's excited about Charbonnet right now. Like, Kenrae Miller is going to probably be that this year. Like, that wasn't really exciting. I got, like, Blake Horam, I think is going to be that. And I just think he's like a vastly better player. And then, you know, I don't know, it writes a little different. But like, I guess what I, what I don't understand is why, like, based on him playing some of the snaps for Green Bay,

thus I should be excited. Like, I agree he will play some of the snaps for Green Bay. and I agree he's explosive. I don't see the path to like, then when does he become starting running back Marchion and Lloyd that I'm really excited that I drafted? Like that's what I don't really get. Like I've taken him when he's fallen into the early third round of rookie drafts. Like that's fine for me because that's when I'm taking backup running backs anyways.

But I just, I think people are like skipping steps in terms of like how we get from Lloyd exciting bench asset to Lloyd pillar. of my dynasty team. That's all. It's not a pillar of your dynasty team if you're drafting them after the 10th round. You're taking your upside shots for guys that can project to go higher, in my opinion.

I'm fine with them. There's just some other backs. Like if you're, would you be surprised of like Gus Edwards put up the same season as Brian Robinson? I wouldn't be. Not at all. And you can get him significantly lower.

So if you want your upside guys, these running backs are just kind of turn them out guys that are role projectors. so yeah I wouldn't mind taking the shot on them like that's my argument for it's like okay so I guess I guess what do we think Lloyd's upside is like this guy's top season in college and he played five years in college was a hundred and fourteen touches in a like or maybe it's 140 or 140 they sound the same I just want to make sure I'm not spreading misinformation it wasn't a lot okay it wasn't a lot covering your basis um like it would he would be a it would be very

surprising if he became like a, okay, well, 280 touch guy. Like, if he becomes Brian Robinson, like, that's a massive win for him, I think. Maybe we just have very different visions of what Brian Robinson is. That's fine. I think some people see him as like a bad player who just kind of like gets volume by accident. I actually think he's a good running back. I don't think he is a special player. I think he's reliable.

I think he has strong vision. I think he executes the game plan well. People talk about him as some crazy plotter who doesn't catch passes. It's kind of perplexing because he actually had like a lot of explosive work in the receiving game last year. And so people want to say you can't, you know, oh, that was just busted plays. Like that's fine. But then, but then can you say at least he's a little explosive in the run game? Or can you credit his receiving game?

You know, they were talking about this receiving upside. Today, Dan Quinn was. Like I, like all three down back at Alabama. Like I just, to me, he's like the David Montgomery Redux where it's like this guy who people don't get excited about. but he's always out there and he plays and he's like totally fine. And, you know, I get it. He's not a world beater. But I just don't know what is in the Marshall and Lloyd profile, I guess,

that suggests like he will rise to more than that. Like I think a pretty successful Marshall and Lloyd career, a very successful Marshall and Lloyd career is he flashes this year behind Jacobs. He has really nice advanced metrics, explosive plays. I totally believe that can happen. And then maybe they move on from Jacobs in two years and Lloyd gets kind of to be part of a 50-50. Like, I think that's like an 85th percentile outcome for him. And anyway, that's all.

I mean, I would just say, I don't think that's like an 85th percentile outcome. I think, I don't know. Yeah, I'd go like my vision for Marshaun Lloyd and like what I hope he becomes in the league is like DeAndre Swift, but his team doesn't hate him for his entire rookie contract. That's kind of like the upside that I envision. That's the upside. Yeah. He can be, he can be like the. very efficient like 14 to 16 touches a game, mostly in the passing game with big explosive

plays and the advanced metrics, people really love them. And that can be a fairly valuable dynasty running back, right? That that is the type of running back that shoots up the startup ADP if we even get a hint of he's going to have a lead role. And that can come via injury. That can come via Jacobs being awful and then moving on, it can come in so many different ways. In terms of if I need to draft a running back here and I want to add value to my team, then that is the direction I go. But I mean, no, I don't hate Brian Robinson or anything. I agree that he is a lot better than most people seem to think he is because, yeah,

the kind of people's takeaways after he got shot in the leg right before his rookie season. than him being inefficient in the advanced metrics was a little unhinged, I'd say. So I'm with you there. But yeah, I'm just much more, yeah, I guess I'm just more optimistic about Lloyd's profile. And maybe that's foolish optimism. Maybe this is me sitting here in June and just saying and taking it for granted that the role I envision for a player that hasn't played a snap yet in the NFL is exactly what's going to happen.

And so I'm open to being wrong there, but that kind of, as Thomas has said, the vibes are so, so good. They're hard to ignore, bro. You know who the vibes were good on last year? Thank you. I don't know, man. I didn't think the vibes were that good on Tankpigsby, but you're right that there were a lot of. There was a lot of, there's a lot of, again. Well, the vibes are good right now on this year.

Yeah, yeah. They're actually. They want to get them involved this year. Yeah. They're going to get big things. Sean wants to know like Echler not going to be an impact on B-Rob. No, I think Eckler's just cooked cooked. I think he'll have, I think he'll play.

I just, I don't know why he would, like, Antonio Gibson played a lot last year. Yeah, he plays the Antonio Gibson role. He takes 60% of the routes or whatever. And yeah, that's not a big impact. That, that'd be, I'd be surprised. All right, we're, we're going to make, let's make this pick here. Yes. Yeah.

Like, these are all late round. Let's just say a name and then we'll pick one. I mean, you guys wanted Lloyd. Let's do Lloyd here. That's totally fine. All right, we'll do Lloyd here. Like, at this point, when you're getting into that 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, you're kind of just looking for as much upside as you can get.

And then for me, normally, like, if we were to talk about a normal board where we don't get, like, two absolute steel quarterbacks. Like, I'm taking a low quarter. Like, I'm taking an Aaron Rogers. I'm taking the Daniel Jones in these spots because usually I'm waiting the push that third QB button, but let's, we pick this round. Jacob, your favorite pick here?

Mostert, because we still need a starting running back. Oh, Mostert. See, I would be Gus here, but, um, I, I would prefer the guy who just scored 22 touchdowns. Yeah, we know. It's not happening again. The running back efficiency in that room.

Can we get 21? No, he's going to get maybe 10. Let's be real. Um, okay. Ryan, Ryan, all you. It's wider stever. What's larger stuff? Uh, yeah, show me the wider.

receivers first because that Quentin Johnston baby oh well gee I wonder who I was going to say yeah baby we can do yeah not getting it with death spot Burton also would have been a great call here also another guy you're usually not going to get we do get kickers going off the board because this is a sleeper ADP it's a lot of kickers being drafted here but for us we're looking for us we're looking at upside I'm taking Javon Baker because we have Drake May. I want to correlate here a little bit like these best ball bros. So we are,

oh, defense is going off the board for all you guys still somehow playing defenses and kickers. Jacob, I want to ask you, do you have conviction on a specific Patriots wide receiver, whether it's Baker or Paul? Okay,

me neither. Just make, just, just, I'm not in Douglass too. Yeah. Okay, let's fight to the death.

For me, it's Bucky Irving. I vote. Come on, even though. Oh, gross. Ryan? Yeah, no, I'll go Vidal as well.

Interesting. No love for Bucky Irving at all. Even after Tampa Bay has just been throwing Rashad White under the bus since training camp started. I have love for Bucky Irving. I just like Vidal a little more. I think the Vidal thing, like he's a super late round running back. And I think Gus Edwards is a better running back than people want to give him actual credit for.

He's your Brian Robinson. He does exactly what Greg Roman himself wants him to do. And in that offense, he's just built for it. Goal line touches up the ass. Like, it just, I should say out the ass, not up the ass. Do you think a lot of this was really, like, I mean, because I have my take, but you, you watch the team even more than I do. I credit Lamar for a lot of Gus Edwards' efficiency.

But they're going to use that off. Like Greg Roman doesn't change his offense. We know this. No. Justin Herbert. Herbert sees how I'm wearing a Chargers uniform. Shout at LT. Herbert is athletic enough to still make a difference on the ground to operate that system in a very tie rod Taylor fashion,

which is still going to help out the running game on a team that might carry the ball 600 times this year. Like Herbert getting 150 attempts is like, I don't know, skeptical in my mind. of course. But I think Greg Roman quarterbacks get like 267 or like 337. I can't remember at the top of my head. But I think Gus Edwards does exactly the things that he's looking for, which is exactly why they brought him in to be their hammer. Vidal's best bet is some injuries,

which are very possible. But he's, again, a super late pick. People were already, and part of this is because people are already steaming up whatever running back went to the Chargers. and it just happened to be Vidal and we got to victory lap that. But this is outlier of outlier. And it would even surprise me

if a veteran running back gets cut and the charges just pick him up anyway. I think you're getting similar upside. I just, I really like Bucky supplanting the Rashad White throughout the year. Because again,

he's just a terribly inefficient running back and Bucky is also a very good pass catcher. so I could definitely see if a running back that was in the top 10 is going to lose their role and kick them out of it this year is Rashad White to me. I just, I don't buy the Bucky Irving thing. And interesting. The reason is if what, what is Bucky Irving's strength that's past catching?

Guess what? That is also Rashad White's. He's also like to your running back than Rashad White possibly is with way more burst in acceleration and can still pass pro. Like the perfect Atlantic. If McHodway does something that's above average for an NFL running back, it is. It is the past catching stuff, right?

Sure. I just have that's a little bit. Buck you can't. Yeah, I just have trouble imagining a day three pick boxing him out of that role based on his past catching. But then I'm like, if the bucky bat. That's the same argument as a dog. I like betting against Rashad White.

But I want to, like, I want to bet against Rashad White. also want to bet against Gus Edwards. Right. Can we bet against James Cook? We can go Ray Davis. I want to bet on. I like Vidal more as a player. So that's just why I want to bet on.

Like if it was if it was Vidal and Tampa and Bucky on the Chargers, I would be Vidal too. I want, like I want to bet against both these incumbents. I'm also buying with Ray Davis. That's different. I think James Cook is good. But I think Ray Davis is good.

I think Ray Davis is a better back to James Cook. But I just think the argument is like what does. Bucky Irving do that Breschow? What does Vidal do that Gus can't do? Like, it's the same, it's just a same kind of thing. He's not even a million years old. I'm telling you, I'll just say this for people. I'm drafting an obscene, like obviously your regular dynasty draft

is going to be longer than 15 rounds, but I predicted this would go long. I'm putting as much Gus Edwards on my rosters for startable running back play week to week that I possibly can. and I'm just forgetting about it. Should he get hurt? I don't know, but like, maybe J.K. Dobbins' legs finally don't explode, and he gets 150 touches.

I don't know. But like Vidal, yeah, I don't know. I don't see it. I'm probably going to be wrong because when Jacob really loves a late-round guy. I don't, no, you'll probably be right. Let's be clear. The most likely scenario is that Vidal and Buckey Irving are both answers to the trivia question in three years. Like, both these guys were probably.

Oh, you guys want to convert this to a league? Okay, look, let's, let's discuss this. I mean, I know what's going to happen. It's going to be week 11, and I'll once again be sitting there on Sunday morning going through 15 different leagues deciding which one of Gus Edwards or Deontza Foreman to put at RB2.

That's just my annual tradition. Rod Stewart says, just checked up on the intro, if you put a gun to my head and put a Canada geography, Sporsel, Sporkel? Sporkel. Ron Stewart, in front of me, I would like to have me on the basement exclusively to do geography Sporkel one night. There's nothing I want to do more.

Can you just call Annex the North Park no one lives in? That's like pretty racist to the Inuit people. Shout out Ron Stewart, man. If you're not on his channel, subscribe to you absolutely should be. Ron Stewart just wanted to commit a genocide against the Inuit. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Okay, look.

American wades into the Canadian geography and the Canadian cultural debates. We got a wrong story. Just like to manifest destiny. It's a bit of it right now. Okay. So obviously we went with the pretty prototypical dynasty point, start with the Kyler Murray, Jamar Chase. Start a little bit of debate on Nico.

What do you take away from a draft strategy like this? and in terms of like how to do the perfect draft really what does it come down to because we can say this room is as random as it gets because we don't know who we're drafting with if it's a bunch of people that we don't know so let's get some thoughts on the final draft thing I'm going to get us back to the other screen

if you want to shot at this draft board heading into the Fantasy Points Discord I will pull the draft board for you just at me with hashtag Dynasty Points in the Discord, and we will talk that out throughout the week. I'm going to get us back to our regular look. We're going to do some final thoughts and possibly squeeze in this five for five. So let's get ready for that.

All right. For the perfect draft, you get a room that you are not familiar with. You're not sure who's going to be in it. I think we did everything we could, taking best player available. Really what it comes down to is playing. your draft room. So let's get some final thoughts on drafting the potential perfect draft. I'll start with Ryan because Jacob's figuring some stuff out here.

Sure. So yeah, I guess lessons that we take out of that draft we just did is take the value that falls to you. I think the, if I were to give one tip to anyone that's kind of new to Dynasty, you're really new to fantasy football, but especially Dinah.

It is check against your consensus ADP sources. They are not gospel, they're not always going to have all the correct player takes or anything. But if you're seeing stuff like Drake May falling multiple rounds past where everybody seems to value him in the consensus, then yeah, that's probably a good pick for you to make, almost regardless of team contacts and what you've done up to that point. so long as you think you can make any sort of moves in this league, which I would hope you think that you can get one trade done in a league if you're joining the league. So yeah, that would just be my biggest tip. Always check against your consensus ADP sources and just be aware of what everyone else in the room is doing.

Just follow the trends under, or not follow them, understand the trends and understand what you can do to respond to them. Yeah, I love that, Jacob. That was, that was great. It was eloquent. It was actionable. There's not much left. So I'll just say, be the draft you want to see in the world.

Make sure to be checking up with your Canadian geography while you're drafting and you will have the best draft you possibly can. Oh, Canada. We have time for a five, a five for five. So what we're going to do is obviously the game where Jacob asked us five questions, five players. We have to get it right. Well, I have to get it right before Ryan does. So let's break it down.

One last week, Ron Stewart, by the way, the plural of Inuit is just Inuit. You don't need to go to Inuits. I'm going to need a documentary. Oh, my God. Also, shout out Dynasty Land Football. Love the site, guys. Super practical and easy to use with great info. Much love to you, mate. We truly appreciate you. Go check out Dynasty Land of Football.

All right. Let's go. Five for five. Let's go. Jacob. What do we got today? All right. Today, because we were doing the perfect draft,

the overarching themes, if anyone is not aware, there's one theme that applies to all of these players, and then I give five clues. Five points on the first, four, three, two, one, etc. With some made up various values. Tom is one once.

Derek Brown has one once. Ryan Heath and Lucas are still sitting on zero. The chat, been very competitive, but is sitting on on zero. Chats for the people in the chat. Rules for the people in the chat. If you want to play along, play along. No looking it up. Okay, if you're going to

guess, play fair. I'll let Tom and Ryan decide on whether or not to trust you guys in the chat. The theme for all of these is each of these players was drafted in the order of the questions. So the first player I read

is a first overall pick. The second player I read is a second overall pick. The third player I read is a third overall pick, et cetera. Fourth overall and then fifth overall pick. Okay, okay, okay, okay. All right. So, first clue, first player. This quarterback started three full seasons in college,

but his team only had a winning record in his last. And if people forget in the chat, you can always guess or you can not guess. If one guesses, the other person gets a free guess, the next round before the other person gets to buzz in. We'll go three, two, one. Fair enough. The first clues usually don't give you much. No, that was insane.

This quarterback exited college as the leader in completions, yards, and attempts in PAC 10 history, as the conference was then called. Pack 10. I don't know when that changed. Oh, my God. The number one overall pick. I have no idea. The PAC 10, he started three years winning record in the third one in the PAC 10. Who is the number one overall pick?

Pack 10. I think I have a guess. Can I make a guess? Marcus Mariotta. That is incorrect. Ryan, you want to use your guess now, or do you want to lock in first dibs in the next round? I'll take first dibs in the next round. I have no idea when it changed.

Third clue. In the 12th, man. Me, I'd just take a guess is here. Third clue. In his third season, this, sorry, in his third NFL season, be clear, this quarterback brought his team its first winning season in 15 years. Oh. I feel like that's a big clue.

It should be. So we got a record setting pack 10 quarterback, first overall pick. Didn't have a winning season until his third. First winning season in 15 years. We got Ryan, you have a free guess. I'm going to give you 10 seconds to come up with one. Otherwise. Number one overall pick.

That is brutally tough, dude. Andrew Lark? That is incorrect. Can't be because I don't even know. Manning had a winning record in the first 15 years. Right, right. You're right. It wasn't even that far.

It fit a lot of categories. Okay. I mixed. I was thinking three years and 15. Yeah, I don't know. And was the first. And was the first overall pick from the pack 10. All right.

You have five seconds. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'll be out. Okay. Clue number four. This quarterback's first playoff appearance ended with a gruesome injury, which led to new rules.

protecting quarterbacks from low hits. Oh my God. Oh, my God. The rule was unofficially named after this place. Oh, my God. You get first dibs on this time. I'm the Ryan guest last round. Oh, my God.

It's not Michael Vic, is it? It's not Michael Vic. Brian, you got a guess here? The rule. The rule was unofficially named after him. That should be a hint, but I can't think of it. I can't think of one. God.

I don't trust anything to chat. You can guess first next round if you want. You can guess first. Okay, I'll take, I haven't. I have, I know. All right. Okay, Ryan gets first guess. And then if he's wrong, Tom guesses.

For one point, it took 17 years for this player's NFL team to once again pick a quarterback first overall. It took 21 years until this college produced another first overall quarterback, which happened this year. that that should have just given it to me but I still have no idea just to clarify that clue can I go college that this quarterback played at is the same college that Carson Carson Palmer there you go that is correct first overall USC the only other one I could think of was could not have told you where Carson Palmer went to school USC baby there was like a weird streak it's like Carson Palmer

Matt Meyer by the way got this after clue three so chat gets three points oh my god oh my God. We had some Jared Goffs. Baker was Oklahoma. Yeah. There we go. All right. Player number two.

This player was the highest drafted from his school since Ernie Davis in 1962. Pass. Yeah, just pass. Highest drafted from school. Okay. Yeah, that was just really for fun. You're just, you're unbelievable at this. Well, look, I don't want to write five clues and only say one.

I'm obviously going to make the first two hard to pass. Okay. This player played for three teams, all of which were in the NSC. But the only team he played more than one season on was his first. It's drafted second overall. Second overall played for three teams. The only team he played for one season. So he played for one team and then.

Oh, I had a guess. And then he played two years there, I'm pretty sure. Damn. Okay. I'm going to pass here, but I'm going to say, remind me to tell you who my guess was. Okay. This player, is this your favorite kind of clue, Tom? This player shares a name. Singer of 60s musical hits such as Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow. Shares a name. Sunshine came softly in my window today. It'll, Oh my God.

Because I made my mind. Oh my God. I get a pass. I'll pass to it. It's not Qibis only. It's just going one, two, three, four, and five, Sean. I will tell you, Sean, I only ever do fantasy eligible positions. So it'll only be quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, and tight ends.

But for first and second overall picks, a lot of quarterbacks. Okay. Fourth clue. This player was heavily booed by fans of the team that drafted him. Though he proved those fans wrong with five pro bowl. appearances in his first six seasons. Oh, so he was good, good. He was good, good.

Come on, heavily booed. This should have been a hammer the buzzer. Come on, people. Heavily booed. There's some guys that I want to think about, but like how many of them played for three different teams? That's the one that's getting me, because originally I was thinking,

oh, maybe this is like an old school running back went really high or something. Number two overall. Kind of bounced around the league. But yeah, that doesn't make sense. Has to be a QB. How many teams did that that guy play for? Let me give me heavily booed.

There's only a couple of fan bases that'll do that. I'm going to trust the chat here, and I'm going to go Donovan McNabb. That is correct. You get one point, and the chat gets the other point. Because I'm sitting here. I'm trying to think, like, what teams boo their picks like that? and Philly.

Like that. The story. I didn't think of it. I don't trust. I don't trust the chat ever now. But I started thinking like how many brutal franchises do that to the players they pick? And it's Philly. The mayor of Philadelphia, Ed Rendell brought a group of fans known as the 3030 to the draft.

And they had all decided they wanted Ricky Williams. And they had been brought along to root on when Philly was expected to take Ricky Williams. They ended up taking Donovan McNabb. and everybody was very, very upset about that. Okay, Tom, it gets, well, he gets two points for that. I was just kidding. He gets, so he's a three. The chat is kicking ass here.

Yeah, Chad is going to be getting a win. It just depends on who. Always be. By the way, Miwad got that. I was never a clue. You guys are ass. Mewah and the chat is at seven points right now. So the chat is seven.

You guys are three. You know what? I'm going to accuse all of cheating like I accused Derek Brown. Because when I'm losing in college, duty. I just immediately assume and say everyone is cheating. Chat is cheating. Also, you guys don't know your Donovan. They call me me meello

yellow. No, I don't know my Donovan, Jacob. You guys suck. All right. This player won the Walter Payton Man of the Year award in 2016. Third overall pick. Yeah. Third overall pick. I'm going to guess Drew Breeze?

Incorrect. I took a shot. I took a shot. Okay. I'm going to guess. You know he was playing in 2016. Yeah. He's a third overall pick.

Jake, I'm just for a lead list. That's so funny. You know he's a good Samaritan. They know Jay Simpson. Oh, God. You imagine if he would have won it? Philip Rivers. Incorrect.

That's a good guess. That is a good guess. This player, this is my favorite clue I wrote today. So hopefully someone gets it, but let's see. this player was a ball boy for the Minnesota Vikings, his hometown team as a child. Larry Fitzgerald. A team that was coached by the man

who would later coach this player in the NFL. And that is correct. Tom needed no time to get through that question. That is Larry Fitzgerald. I have seen that fucking clip on Twitter more times than I can count. This is Larry Fitzgerald as a ballboy for the Vikings. There we go. I have never seen that clip.

So I'm on a different corner or Twitter. Somebody. You're on the like guardboard. analytic d'antavian wick boosting part of twitter i'm on like his store i am on classic millennial boomer twitter where it's just like old sports videos playing all the time someone someone knows 60s music around here ryan for the record ryan i i i didn't even know that that was a clip i i just the full clue was that the team he was the ball by four was coached by the man who would later coach him in the nfell so in theory he could have

sewn that together from a Dennis Green to Dennis Green. But Tom got it after through the clue being read. That was impressive. Tom was cleaning up. He's now at seven. The chat is also at seven. So he's tied to chat. I literally have this video bookmarked.

There you go. All right. Private chat. Wow. I can find. You got to get you got to get it in gear here, buddy. This is this is where you start. Got to start turning around. Fourth player, fourth overall pick.

This player was the second player at his position. drafted from this school of the NFL, sorry, I'll rephrase. This player was the second player at his position, drafted from his school in the top five of the NFL draft within a five-year period. Okay. Fourth overall. Okay. I will shout out, by the way,

Meatwad was pretty quick on the draw on Larry Fitzgerald, too. I think Tom was faster, so that's why the chat doesn't get any points here, but he was darn quick as well. All right. So fourth overall pick, he was the second top five pick out of the school in a five-year period at this position. I'm having trouble thinking, I usually just go right to quarterbacks.

I'm having trouble thinking of QBs who've gone forth overall. Drafted the second time in five years. I know you didn't. I know, I know. Second time in five years, a player from that school was drafted. I know there was a stark run

on LSU wide receivers. Yeah, that's kind of where I'm thinking too. And knowing Jacob, I'm going to say Odell. That is not correct. And it was in a how many year period? Five year. Is it Jamar Chase?

There's not Jamar Chase. Are we both tried out of the season? Was he fourth overall? Chase was fifth overall. Okay. Damn. Don't worry. Next clue.

During college, this player was sentenced to eight days in prison for trespassing, but never served any time due to overcrowding in the Travis County Jail. Oh, where's Travis County? Now I need my American. Geography. Here's the geography. Yes. Ron! Ron, are you still here? I need you. Uh, okay. I don't know this at all. Trespassing. Fourth overall. I would think that would be like this, I think that would stick in my mind. I mean, ideally that's clue is, basically the clue is, if someone knows where Travis County is, then I'm giving away to college. And if someone doesn't, then just a guy who got in trouble a little in college. Yeah. I feel like that would be like a top five pick. I would think there would have been discourse that.

But I can't. Yeah, I don't know. After several tumultuous years with his first team, this player rejuvenated his career on his second NFL franchise with his first thousand-yard season. Reggie Bush.

That is incorrect. But pretty darn in the wheelhouse. That was in. Boy, I really thought that was the shit. I don't know where Travis County is. I don't know where Travis County is. Oh, I should get half a point. for a good guess.

It wasn't a guess. Ryan, free guess. He's freezing up. His career on his second team. I wanted to say, no, no,

that's, he wasn't top of it. No, I want to, I've already guessed. It's a stupid guess and it's obviously wrong. I wanted to say Corey Davis, but the multiple,

no one's going by from that school. No one from West. Wait a minute. All right. Next clue. Despite over 6,000, career rushing yards. This player never averaged

above 4.2 yards per carry. And you know, it'll add a bonus clue. 4.2, somewhat of a meaningful number for him with some of his off-field activities. Do I get to guess? Yeah.

Ricky Williams. That is incorrect, but interestingly close. Come on! Those are two elite guesses. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to get this one.

This is insane. All right, this is a good clue. Here we go. Final clue. This player only played on two NFL teams. The first letter of both those teams, city and name, are the same as are this player's own initials. So the initials of the city and then the name of both his teams are the same as are his own initials. But they're not all, not all three are the same letter.

They're just the same. His first thousand-yard season. It's the same sequence of initials. So, for instance, if I played for the, like, Amsterdam Angels, and then I played for the Antwerp, something with A, and then my name was Adam Anderson. Oh, so they all match. Okay.

No, they don't all match, but the two match. The secret. Yeah. His pair matches. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. So it would be like, why Zad, why Zad? Why Zad?

I still get to guess, or did Ryan guess last round? I think you both guessed, so I think anybody can guess. So I'm going to go away from running back, and I'm just trying to think of players that had issues with weed now, and I'm going to say Justin Blackman. I will remind everyone that the fourth clue was to have about his thousand-yard rushing season. Oh, shit. Two yards for carry.

Yeah, sorry, my bad. I'm trying to. I'm just trying to think of players too are fucked by a. Ryan, come on, buddy. All yours. I forgot about the rushing gimmick. I'm just thinking about city names. I'm going to recap.

This is completely stunlocking me. Okay. We got the fourth overall pick. There was the same player at the same school drafted five years prior in the top five. He played for two NFL teams, initials. Match his initials. He rushed for 6,000 career yards, only had a top of 4.2 yards per carry. He didn't have 1,000 yards in a single season with his first team.

he rejuvenated his career with his second team okay come on Ryan damn damn damn I can't even get I can't even figure out what the two cities are what the two teams are like that's what I'm focused on it maybe that's not what I should be focused on here

that's a good way to focus it but I can't even all right right brain can't wrap itself meat wad pulls ahead he got this a while ago it's Cedric Benson damn I wouldn't have guessed that at all Chicago Bears Cincinnati Bengals oh okay damn I would

I was like, I was thinking like, shout out me, Wade, man. The funny thing about Ricky Williams, yes, is Ricky Williams, of course, was the other Texas running back within the five year period that went to top five.

So you're all over it. Damn. Damn. Damn. Close. Ferris forgot that he was the fourth overall pick of his favorite team. That is terrible.

I would honestly, Ferris, I'd want to forget that too. One more question. Let's get this done. All right. One more question. The chat is at eight.

Tom's at seven. of zero. Luckily, it's double points. So if I can get this on clue number two, he could make a comeback. All right. This player rushed for over 1,000 yards in his rookie season in the NFL and never did it again. Fifth overall. Oh, God. Oh, God. What's his name? Oh, my God. What's his name? He's stalling for the chat. No, I don't. I will be completely. I have not looked at chat this entire. Start the count. Yeah, because Cetrick Benson was very publicly said while you were trying to do teenagers.

Your honesty is not questioned. Your honesty is not. God. Oh, I'll take a guess. Trent Richardson. Go for it. Incorrect, but a very good guess. Okay, I'll wait now.

I'll wait now. I get the first crack here. Okay. Well, I'm going to switch the order of the clues because this one I don't think Brian's going to get, and I need to give him somewhat of a chance. here. Come on. Come on.

All right. You think we don't draft running backs highly anymore? How about drafting two running backs from the same college team in the same top five in the same year like this back and his SEC teammate? That doesn't help me. I'm still thinking about the first. Two backs. This can only have happened once.

Same college. Same college team, same draft year. they both go top five. Oh my God. Top, they both go top five. Two running backs. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

I'm out. I have no idea. That's insane. Yeah, I can't think of anything that. That's insane. Man. So it's hard because the better, the clues you give,

the more certain I am that I don't have any guests. I just sit here feeling like I'm not participating, but I'm trying very hard. I just can't. Okay, let's go. This player was the first in NFL history to rush for 100 yards in a game in his first three NFL games. I'm looking at the chat now. They're not really helpful, though. Okay.

Man, this is absolutely blowing my mind. drafted fifth overall this has got to be like an Alabama back right this has got to be like some obscure insane pick this has got to be an Alabama thing I would imagine this isn't like a Mark Ingram

someday we gotta get someone to write these clues I think I would fucking kill you guys is this like a is this a Mark Ingram is not Mark Ingram Ryan you got anything or he's got two clues left I'm not gonna like

just read out the guesses from the chat. All right. I mean, I've won this already. Okay. Well, the chat I think might be content. The chat is not on the show and they're all cheating. Okay. This player played all but his last season in the NFL for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Cadillac Williams. I'm going to go with Meatwad. There you go. Meatwad was right. I'm sorry I doubted you. For Meatwad. He got it within one second. Absolutely sick performance to me.

Meatwit. If you are not... Eight points to Tom. Zero points to ride. Meetwad. If you are in the fantasy points, Discord. Can you come on the show next week for this?

Tag me. Tag me in the Discord and we'll get you set up with something because this was an absolute display today. Oh, okay. Well, I want to get Meatwad set up with two things. I want us to get him a prize. And then I want to send him the link to the show

and he can join and play against this next. Yeah. I will say. Meatwad hook up. send me some information and we'll talk and we'll see if we can get that set it out. There are no 20 minutes in my week when I feel like I know less ball than during this second. Then five for five. Okay, you're what you got to do, buddy.

Here's what you got to do. You got to be looking up a lot of 2000 to 2010 players and where they went to college. That's how you got to spend your week. You just got to get you got to tell Scott writing these ground breaking. And you got to be like, let's look up 2004. running backs. Where did they go to college? I went 2005 running back. Well, we're going to...

My like knowledge of the NFL pre-2012, 2013, practically non-existent. That's just huge and especially when we go to college, like yeah, I'll I can't, man. I don't know that. I don't know Lucas wasn't going to be there tonight.

I like to throw in the college stuff for Lucas sometimes too, but I will try to do a little bit better of an ultra between some weeks will be a little bit more on the uh on on that era some weeks will be a little bit newer the only issue is if i go newer the clues has to be way more obscure because like then it's just way too easy yo these old ones i feel like i feel like i can do like who was the fourth string running back on the tampa bay buccaneers in 20 in 2017 in the first half of the i feel like i

have a way better chance at that than i do like really old stuff i either bwad was like either mewad is telling the truth which i i believe if he wasn't, he geniusly guessed wrong on the first question so that I wouldn't assume he was cheating for the rest of the round. Like, he just jumped in with the immediate Jared Gough right away. And I was like, oh, like, he's not cheating. And so if that was calculated, honestly, even more impressive. But I think he was trying to be legit.

That was Doug Martin there, Ferris. I love five for five, man. This is the new, this is the new hottest game. One win for the chat. In Dynasty. You both a win. You both a win. Well, I got two wins, baby.

One, one Derek Brown. The only, only host of the show with a dub or a chance, baby. I'm showing my age. My age matters in this game. I love it. Next week it's going to be like all just like reading out like the targets for route run of players in 2020. Oh, and I was going to be cleaning. The Andre Hopkins area.

Yards. Yeah. This player had a 0.479. Oh, Brian, you have no idea. I obviously can't do it the first time I get to do it. But I'm, although Jacob's heard all my Larry centers. One of these weeks, one of these weeks will put Tom in the, I can't. Look, look, I can't actually use Larry centers because Jacob knows that that's like one of the first ones.

Like, but here's a fun fact about Larry Center. who was a fullback. Larry Centers finished his career with more receptions than Steve Largent, Shannon Sharp, Kishon Johnson, Roddy White, Marshall Falk, Chad Johnson, James Lofton, Eric Moulds currently has more than Mike Evans and had more receptions than Michael Irvin in his career. He was a fullback. More people should know about Larry Centers. He was the absolute goat. He would have been a PPR cheat code. Larry Centers is what Greg Roman wanted Patrick Ricard to be. He just wasn't.

So shout out Greg Roman. Final thoughts. Also, how do I join the Discord? I am a noob. If you're on Twitter, if you are on Twitter, you can send me a DM at El Nostra Thomas or it is on the website. It will be on the website. Get in touch

with me one way or the other. Let's get some final thoughts on doing the perfect draft. Shout up for everyone for hanging out with us. You're all fucking goats. Two and 10 minutes. This is going to be fun to edit. Also, Brian, I am 24. So you're five years off there. But when I say I know nothing about the NFL before 2013, I was what, 13 years old in 2013. That that's like when we become conscious. I feel like. Well, I think Billy

used to do the butt end of that. I started playing. I started playing Madden in I think 2004. And that's good year. That's like that's like right in my wheelhouse where it's just like like Anyone who had like that early Madden era, like I still, in my mind, when I think of Stephen Jackson, I still think of him as like with the big like blue. This is when they had these icons that were like really corny. They had a big blue future star icon. And it was like him and Willie Parker. We're just breaking into the league. Fast Willie Parker, baby.

Hey, if you played Mad in 2004, you remember my dog, Brian Finneran on the Atlanta Falcons with Michael Vick. Because you could always. I was running like a little. always run out to the left and check it off to Finneran running the crossing route from the right side. Cheat code. We should do a little Madden trivia one night. This is going to be a great time. So my earliest Madden was Madden, oh wait, and I believe.

The last great Madden. The only thing I did in that video game was just hold the Randy Moss button every single day. Oh, Vince Young on the cover, baby. All I did. I had a madden clue today, by the way, but we didn't get to say it because Tom nailed their Fitzgerald on oh what was it what was it too uh it was uh well we had i had a lot of good good larry fitzgerald clues clue three was going to be this player went to college at the school which shares the stadium with the team that beat him in the super bowl which is the pit pittsburgh

steers at cruiser stadium uh and the last clue was this player was one half of the madden cover in 2010 um off fresh off of the most entertaining super bowl uh so that was that was of course Nice. What a crushing loss in that, crushing loss in that Super Bowl for the Cardinals. They've never recovered fully. Let's get final thoughts and actually get out of here. Jacob. Yeah. Final thoughts is that Ryan needs to spend a lot of time on NFL Wikipedia tonight.

That's my final thought. Yeah. Fair. Ryan. He needs to learn to play, so to speak. Yeah. My only thought as well. I got to start doing my homework coming and prepared for these games.

Ryan, would you say that you've been poned by Tom so far? How would you quantify the degree of ponage? I would say I've been poned, but I'm too young for that to have ever been a word that I used when I was on the internet. You're three years younger than me. You're telling me that poned expired directly. Pone was in like 2008. I don't think I was allowed to be online in 2008. You were playing mad in 2008.

You weren't playing online? No. Oh, my God. My household was like you can play an hour of video games or whatever, but you can't be connected to the internet. We were real Luddites there for a little bit. You were posed by your parents. I was, yes.

Not a problem for me is I'm adopted, so I got to play all the mad and I wanted to. Okay, look, my final thoughts are no two traps are the same. And you have to remember that you have to go in there completely open-minded, not knowing what you are going to get, I will also say this, that you need to be subscribed if you're not, because there's no Dynasty show on the market

that does it the way that we do. Put up for Ryan's comment. Ryan simmed all games and fresh, the resulting stats. That seems to and run the Sims before they were. I'm like ugly laughing right now. I love this show so goddamn much. And we couldn't do it without all of you.

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