Fantasy Football Daily - The Best Picks In Your Dynasty Fantasy Football Drafts

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

Hop in with Dynasty Points as we give you the draft best picks to make in your 2024 dynasty startup drafts. Dynasty Playlist - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-kupTuz42SeHflK6fqOqKTxwqB2s46M6... Subscribe to FantasyPoints for FREE - https://www.fantasypoints.com/plans#/ All our podcasts are here - https://www.fantasypoints.com/media/podcasts#/ ADP Tool Dynasty Data Lab - https://dynastydatalab.com/ Thinking About Thinking - https://jakobsanderson.substack.com/p/lets-think-about-thinking Where to find us: http://twitter.com/DynastyPts http://twitter.com/ElNostraThomas http://twitter.com/JakobSanderson http://twitter.com/RyanJ_Heath FantasyPoints Website - https://www.fantasypoints.com NEW! Data Suite - https://data.fantasypoints.com Twitter - https://twitter.com/FantasyPts Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/FantasyPts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/FantasyPts TikTok- Http://TikTok.com/FantasyPts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:50 One of the only shows that is Dynasty that can reference best ball 23 times while also not discussing 23 players on one program. Will we get through it this week? Well, I hope so. We do not have Paul with us this week of Pure Potential and Ryan Heath not joining us feeling very much so under the weather. So hopefully, Ryan, you are feeling better next week. I, of course, am your host with the most time on his hands.
Starting point is 00:01:21 You can find me at El Nostra Thomas. And I went back and forth on what my fun fact should be today. So I'm going to go with music. And I will say that my top streamed artist, on Spotify over the last three years is pop smoke. I have been in the top one percent of pop smoke streams over that three year period. I'm Jacob Anderson pumped to be with you guys again this week and I mean I'll be thematic by fun fact and say that my first NCAA football game purchase was NCAA 09 and my first ever win was a win with the University of
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Starting point is 00:02:27 Unfortunately, I haven't lived in a time wherever there's a good Tennessee team on NCAA football game. And now that we've changed to college football 25, I still don't have that great of a team because the people who did rankings did us dirty. I'm not all happy about that, but I digress. Did you guys pay for the early release or are you guys waiting until Thursday? I am waiting until Thursday. I don't know we had.
Starting point is 00:02:55 I don't believe how many people like I hashtag how rich that the amount of people that willingly paid extra $50 just to access a game three days early. Oh, we're already in waiting for 11 years is honestly preposterous. me, but good for you guys. I'll be playing on Thursday. What? I didn't. The lawyer on our program would just cheap out on the on the need to play college football 25.
Starting point is 00:03:21 I mean, I've been waiting 11 years. I can wait. I can wait a little longer. Yeah. So my fun fact, as many of you all know, the home run derby was last night and to Oscar Hernandez won. He is the first Dodgers player to ever win the home run derby. I find that kind of crazy with the number of good tears that they've had.
Starting point is 00:03:43 But very first one, it was a very exciting event to watch. I like how they did the hybrid between the timed round and then having the three outs at the end. I know a lot of people weren't too big of a fan of it, but I thought that that was a very fun little twist. So congrats to him and congrats to the viewers for watching a very entertaining three hours. the fact that they can still find a new way to make it entertaining after baseball being around for like 300 years and like the game not changing pretty pretty impressive if you ask me but this of course is a fantasy football podcast this is a dynasty fantasy football podcast i like to remind my co-host specifically jacob who is the worst culprit of the best ball infusion last week that that is indeed what we are doing however we We are not a new show. We're not a waiver wire. Ask show.
Starting point is 00:04:40 And this has never been a lineup type show. I know the lineup part does not really matter right now, but it will sometime here in the near future. As the season is carrying on, gentlemen, this is likely our last startup draft related episode. I don't think there's a whole lot more we can really get. into for startups except for this topic today. I do not think we have really hit on just our purely favorite picks across the entire board in a startup, which is what our goal is going to be today. Next week, we are hitting sleepers, our favorite dynasty sleepers and multiple positions. So I look forward to that. But I kind of feel like I want to get into
Starting point is 00:05:35 What we've learned from this very odd startup season. For me, this startup season has been probably one of the least predictable that I can remember. Trends that I thought were going to go away, stuck around. Some players have fell in some drafts that I have done that I was not expecting. It's not often that, you know, the general dynasty community talks up a player highly. And yet I still consistently see those players drop below. where top-tier analysts and where ADP has them as should be going or currently going. So I definitely want to discuss that, but before we do, I'm going to hit the break early.
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Starting point is 00:06:37 Okay, let's talk some trends in drafts and what we have learned. Of course, all of the ADP information I'm using is from dynasty datelab.com. That link is in the description. Let's talk through it. Jacob, what are some dynasty startup trends that you have noticed throughout this draft season? I've noticed that you can get really high upside starting quarterbacks, I think, a little bit cheaper than you used to be able to. I think in part because there's more of them, I think in part there's just a few quarterbacks that have been fixtures of the top couple rounds in recent years. People are, I don't know, maybe a little worried about, maybe a little bored of, whatever the case may be, add in a really strong, or at least projected to be very strong 2024 rookie quarterback class.
Starting point is 00:07:29 and this is probably the least I've ever desired to be making a round one quarterback pick. We've talked about it before on shows, but that's probably the biggest shift for me is I've usually been a round one quarterback guy if I can be. Now, I'm generally trying to position myself in startups to make my first pick one of Jefferson or Chase or Lamb. Obviously, I'm not going to go ahead and pick them at like two overall or whatever, but given you're in a derby, given you can trade, given you can be in that mid to late first to get one of those receivers. That's what I want to be doing because there's so many guys. I mean, there's Herbert and Kyler have just been round one startup quarterbacks for most of their careers. I think that they should be now.
Starting point is 00:08:11 They're going in the mid two. You can pretty reliably get one of those two if you're picking, say, eight or nine in a startup. And then you come around, get them in the second round. It doesn't stop there. We'll talk about some of them in my favorite picks. But, you know, we've talked about a lot of the guys going around three, round four, round five. you can get two quarterbacks that I would consider, you know, either elite or at least with very high upside to be elite in rounds two through five
Starting point is 00:08:38 while getting one of those three receivers that I think the market agrees right now are in a separate tier from the rest. Yeah, it's odd to me that for a couple years, we've been able to land this Kyler Murray propaganda and it hasn't changed. I think I did see him go the earliest yet at 2-1, which is kind of surprising, but kind of where he should be going really, right? We always talk about how he's, we have him over guys like Caleb or even AR in terms of who we prefer.
Starting point is 00:09:06 So very interesting with that. Lucas, what have you noticed in this year's draft for trends that have kind of stuck around? I think right now for me, it's the wealth of running back depth, especially as you get to rounds eight, nine, 10. There are some really good running backs there that you can throw into your RB2,
Starting point is 00:09:26 spot and then fill up your flex with if you so choose and you're going to be just fine there. If you want one of those elite guys pay up for them in the second round, Jacob already hit on the fact that there's so many quarterbacks that you can get in rounds three through even five if you want to live on the wild side a little bit or if you're really banking on like Gino Smith super late in draft. Spoiler alert on picks that we actually like. But get your elite guy early on draft a whole. bunch of depth there in the later round and just eat like that's that's that's about as simple as it
Starting point is 00:10:03 seems to me I'm really surprised that there's so many of them that are down in that range I think that historically they've kind of been pushed up into the five six round range and it is a lot easier to draft a wide receiver there but right now they're pushed down lots of good upside there so that's what I'm doing for me it's the quarterback market as a whole right Like, I know that usually I'm always on this podcast hammering late round quarterbacks. Never been more possible to skip out on early quarterbacks ever. Seventh rounds, eighth rounds, including guys like Baker Mayfield under contract, Bo Nix, Will Levis, Deshawn Watson, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rogers, Gino Smith,
Starting point is 00:10:50 Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, even Justin Fields in the 11th round. It has never been easier to pick a quarterback. If you want to go four straight wide receivers and land a Drake May or JJ McCarthy, you can do that and set yourself up to still have two functioning veteran quarterbacks towards the back end of your draft. And I have a hard time remembering the last time that was truly possible. it's not often, but I've never been more confident in it. The oldies, the cousins, the Rogers, they seem totally healthy.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Matthew Stafford. And since I've started to shift to this two-year window mantra in Dynasty, not three, not four, but two, all of those quarterbacks work for me in that two-year period. So I don't think it's ever been easier to have your ideal. start of four straight wide receivers, Mark Andrews, and insert, you know, whatever quarterback falls out of those top few rounds. There's usually one that does. I mean, I just picked up J.G. McCarthy in the middle sixth in my last startup. So it does happen, regardless of they're boring or they don't have that same upside. That difference is made up in wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:12:15 So I don't feel like I've ever been able to just gleefully select four straight wide receivers, take a top tier tight end and still compete with two veteran quarterbacks later. Just the biggest trend that I've noticed is how free you can be with feeling good about not drafting a quarterback. We had a subscriber ask me, Hey, Tom, what's the latest you would consider drafting a quarterback for your QB2? And I told him, you don't want to ask me that. It's like, my answer is going to be Gino Smith.
Starting point is 00:12:48 And they went, yikes. I said, exactly. I do not fear death. Okay, I do not fear death in terms of my QB2. I just don't. This has been my thing for a while. So that's something I'm definitely noticed heavy for sure. Okay, three trends that kind of stuck around this offseason.
Starting point is 00:13:09 All right, I'm looking forward to getting some of our favorite players across all draft boards. Now, remember, this is not round by round. This is not, this is just who do we gleefully like selecting? and why. And we're going to do a couple of these. We've got a five for five here today. We have got so much good stuff throughout this episode. So let's kick this off nice and quickly.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Jacob, let's start off with one of your favorite players to click in startup drafts this season. Yeah, I'm going to instantly cheat. And I'm going to pick two players instead of one player. So I talked about the quarterback trend. there's a lot of different quarterbacks I could pick that I think are strong debt that ADP, but this would be my favorite two.
Starting point is 00:13:57 And I'm picking two because I think no matter how you view the quarterback position from a prospecting situation lens, your view on these two might be very different. But I think that no matter what you think, you should at least really, really love the price of one of them. So J.J. McCarthy and Drake May going literally back to back, side by side in the late fifth, These are the two that stick out to me the most. If you are a bet on talent, bet on your evaluative process, bet on the data profile, bet on the pure upside type of person, generally how I try to view things more so.
Starting point is 00:14:36 That's where Drake May strikes out as this should be a second round startup pick. I don't understand why he's going in the fifth whatsoever. If you are more situationally inclined, if you're the type of person like we said last show, who might be more interested in. interested in the Tuas, the Purdy's, the Goss, then I offer you J.J. McCarthy, who is going into the same McShanie world offense that we've seen several these quarterbacks succeed in, who at the very least, I'm confident can hit the required throws and plays to succeed within that system in the sense that he is consistently strongest working over the intermediate areas of the field. He is
Starting point is 00:15:18 athletic enough to be able to run the bootlegs work on play action he's getting able to do that and i think you're even buying some upside that maybe you can do a little bit more depending on you know what he didn't get the chance to show at michigan if you're a full-on believer in the brett whitefield um bull bull case on jay mccarthy either way whatever your process is for quarterbacks i think you're either getting a guy in may who has a chance to be within weeks an extremely discounted herbert or laurence ark type or you're getting McCarthy, who to me is just to a pretty goth with youth and upside and cheaper than all of them. Maybe he fails. Maybe he's like Zach Wilson level bad, but I'm willing to stand on the fact that I think these systems, O'Connell, McVeigh,
Starting point is 00:16:10 Shanahan, Ben Johnson, the people that are running these very simplified, very sharp offenses, that the floor on how good you need to be, specifically if you can do a couple of main things well, it's pretty darn low. I think the McCarthy can hit that. I think you're just getting a few rounds discount because of kind of fake uncertainty there. So those are the two that I'd be wanting to build my startup strategy around,
Starting point is 00:16:34 depending on how I view the quarterback position. I think they're both very underpriced. Well, and that's what we talked about right off the start, right? You can just load up on these wide receivers. I find it interesting when we talk about the way these quarterbacks are being looked at. We had one of the best ever rookie quarterback seasons
Starting point is 00:16:51 of all time. This time last year, C.J. Straub was a late third round pick in third round reversal leagues going as QB15. We had Richardson, who has gained value after only playing a couple of games. He was drafted as a QB9,
Starting point is 00:17:07 and Bryce Young was the QB11. Yet we have one quarterback this year being drafted in the third round per ADP, and that obviously Daniels because his rushing upside, right, which which we love going as QB 12 in the early three. And then like you just said, the other quarterbacks taken that high in the draft outside of Caleb Williams, who's obviously we touched on a QB8, one of our least favorite picks as we talked about last week, but you're getting the other two guys in the fifth round. And to me,
Starting point is 00:17:37 that's unprecedented. This, this high quarterback pick in the NFL getting just, taken all the way down to the fifth round. You're right. It's odd to me. And whether, look, I may not like Drake May like you do. I may not even love J.G. McCarthy the same way like you mentioned, Brett Whitefield does. But in the fifth round, like I mentioned, that last draft I did, Andy Buckler was in this draft. And he sends me a text. I didn't look at it before I picked. And I hit McCarthy because I saw him there. He goes, all right, good. If you did that and you didn't take the gift, I would have flown there and beaten you. Like it was, it's kind of insane how they're getting pushed down the board for me.
Starting point is 00:18:25 So I think you're right. I think these are two smash picks. I don't think they, I don't think Drake May should be drafted. I think if Drake May was being drafted in the second round, we asked ourselves what player would cause that same question, the same statement you made about Richardson last week. I would exactly make about Drake May once again. I'm pretty sure May is good.
Starting point is 00:18:44 I'm not very sure Richardson's good. That's great. You're, you're, I'll be right. I'm as a Colts fan, right? I understand fantasy is a little different, right? I mean, may run. Same. But like, as a Colts fan right now, if I could just trade Anthony Richardson for Drake May,
Starting point is 00:19:00 like I would run a not walk. All right. I think you, I think you're drinking Drake May Kool-Lade. It's just substantially better. I mean, that's the thing is, okay. So if they were in the same draft class. For scoring fantasy points? I would not.
Starting point is 00:19:14 No, I'm saying. thing for i'm saying like as my quarterback of my football team that i root for like just purely okay in a real life i mean well i think they should go ahead of daniels and i think i mean daniels and richardson is very weird in terms of hard to compare because their prospect profiles like they have some stuff very much similarity because they run and some stuff very very different daniel's obviously way more productive but richards is way younger and doesn't have all the sack rate stuff but yeah i i mean i think i don't know this goes back to my my take on richardson from last week. But there's like this weird Richardson effect where it seems like we don't
Starting point is 00:19:49 view him as a prospect anymore. But like we probably should. He played two games. So I just think if he was in this class, like I get the market has decided on Daniels over May. I think that's wrong. I'm sure they would decide on Richardson over May. I don't know that it would be like that clearly Richardson over Daniels if they were just both in the same rookie class. I'm pretty sure Daniels would have gone ahead of him in the real NFL draft. I'm quite sure May would have gone ahead of them in the real NFL draft too like i don't know i just think that the spread is is a little bit widened because people got really excited about the fantasy production in two games but like they're they're going to get the fantasy production out of you know uh all these rushing
Starting point is 00:20:28 quarterbacks okay i did like i said i just i just find it i just find it interesting i know Lucas i think for me right now the player i'm most excited excited to draft is breese hall in the second round somebody who just turned 23 And he is going to be a asset that's going to keep going up in value for the next three years. Just historically, that's what running backs do. Go up until you hit 25 and then it's all downhill from there. But he's still 23. In a year coming off of an ACL tear over the final seven weeks of the season,
Starting point is 00:21:05 he was the number two running back in the NFL behind Christian McCaffrey in PPR leagues. The guy was a monster. And that's even with a 2.8 points game thrown in the middle there, just a freaking dud. But he was still a beast. And right now he's projected to be the second most valuable player on your roster going into this season. Now, all the players that you can draft, he will be the second most valuable one. And you can get him in the second round.
Starting point is 00:21:34 And you can potentially pair him with somebody who's going to be in the top five of most valuable players in the league this year in your first round. round, that seems like a slam dunk. And he's not a running back who's up against that age cliff. Like I said, just turned 23. He has three good years left for you to get production, maintain value. And then after that, who cares? Three years, if he's helped you win one league or get to the championship in all three seasons,
Starting point is 00:22:04 I don't care about the rest of it. We can move a mom from there. But this is somebody who's going to be an elite asset for years to come. You can get them in the second round. You don't have to pay the iron price of the first round. Heck, you can even trade back in the first round and still get him and acquire picks later. That's why he is one of my favorite people of draft right now. Yeah, it's not often we hear favorable talk about running backs on this program.
Starting point is 00:22:28 But I think the line stops with Breece Hall. I still don't understand Breeze Hall over Christian McCaffrey. Like, I still don't understand that. but I think Christian McCaffrey is just going to be that guy until he falls off of a cliff one day, which is hopefully not this year, please. My competing teams need that to not be this year. I need one championship in the league of record just once, and I need that to happen with Christian McCaffrey on the roster.
Starting point is 00:23:01 No, I haven't clicked him once this year, but I've been too much of a coward because it's been Kyler Murray, Kyla Murray, Kyla Murray, Kyler Murray every single time in the second round. For me, one of my favorite picks to make is Ben Nico Collins at the end of the fourth round. Now, I got into a very heated discussion with Ryan Heath over Nico Collins or Tank Dell. And do you know what I've come to realize this draft season is just draft both? Right. My big argument was draft who was... Oh, I wonder if any other else was saying that.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Now, listen, before we get there, there was a time where Nico Collins, post-contract, was getting a little bit pushed up boards in drafts that I was in, and I wanted kind of no part of that. There were other wide receivers that I preferred. but the board has kind of shifted Roma Dunezay now going ahead of Nico Brandon Iuk still going ahead of Nico and I mean especially with the news today which I do kind of want to touch on I was we're going to mention that a little bit a little bit as we go but now the difference and separation between Nico and Dell after Nico Collins you get Devontas Smith Michael Pittman Jr. who's done some falling here a little bit lately DJ Moore D.K. Metcalf and Zay Flowers
Starting point is 00:24:35 and then there's Tankdale in the late five. I would just rather Tankdale in that scenario. So you are telling me that I can then get both of these wide receivers at a decent cost at the turn if need be. I do like that. I liked Nico Collins pre-moving up the boards, but now I like him once again, now that he's at the back end of that fourth round.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Again, you're getting Nico Collins or Tankdell as your second, third, well, not second, but third, fourth, wide receiver on your team. Those are the type of plays that I like as my third and fourth wide receivers on my team. So I've been, I've been definitely hammering Nico. He's one of my favorite picks to make, not even really a decision for me. When you look at the players going ahead of them, Brock Bowers, A. Chan, Kyron, kind of in that range. I would just rather tap. I would take Nico Collins over A. Chan every single day.
Starting point is 00:25:38 And I know there's a lot of strong HN people out there in the world, but I am 100% just convinced that Nico is the play there. Yeah, I certainly agree with both of those takes for sure. I think Nico is degrees better of a bet than the guys directly behind him, like clearly more scoring upside. than Smith, younger, and I think easily projects better this year than Pittman, more DK. And yeah, I would put them, I don't really understand why Roma Dunesay goes above Nico Collins, particularly at all. I like Nico significantly more than Ayuk.
Starting point is 00:26:21 You know, then you get up a whole round higher is Alave London Waddle. I'm fine with those guys ahead of them, but I would put him right next to those guys in that tier and agreed with Dell as well. I think Dell, again, I would jump a full round. I'd prefer him over Flowers, perform over Metcalf, perform over More, prefer him over Pittman, probably prefer him over Smith. That's probably close. Maybe prefer Smith by a hair.
Starting point is 00:26:44 Yeah, both of those guys are really, really undervalued to me. This I like to Buffalo, it's just going to be now every receiver to Buffalo. This is the new Kansas City. I'm just going to be a member of the San Francisco 49ers. He's a member of the 49ers for this year. And probably the year after when they franchise tag him. But I also think they're going to sign them to a contract. Like this isn't the first time.
Starting point is 00:27:04 They do this every single year in San Francisco and they find a way to keep their dudes. At worst thing. This team is trying. This team is all in on their Super Bowl window right now. Right. Look at this team. Trent Williams is on the back couple of years of his career. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Post is right in the prime of this career. They only have a couple more years of this really, really cheap Brock Purdy contract. Kittle obviously is not getting any younger. McCaffrey's not getting any younger. Like it's go time for them. And they have the. the chance to let Iyuk play on a fifth year option and they have its tag rights. So that would mean they would have both IUC and Samuel under contract in 2025.
Starting point is 00:27:39 That's when they get into their cap front situation more so than right now. I think they'll have to move one of them in 25. I would guess it's Debo, but they'll have to move one in next year. But that I don't think that the return that they're going to get off of either one of them next year is going to be all that much worse than what they'd get from trading them right now. And they're trying to win a Super Bowl right now. So it makes no sense. They're going to keep both of these guys.
Starting point is 00:28:02 They're going to use this as a year for Pearsall to get comfortable, and then they're going to hope that he can take over the number two role next to whichever one they keep the following year. That's just the only thing that makes any sense to me. Yeah, I don't think he's going anywhere. And he has no leverage. He has no leverage aside from just sitting out, right? And I just, I don't see holdouts being what they used to.
Starting point is 00:28:23 I don't see it happening whatsoever. But he has, again, he's been an absolute smash pick in drafts because he's finally fallen out of that like top 12 spot in startups. And he's starting to sit in that mid, you know, 14, 15, 16 area when you're in drafts. But I think it's important to hit on what Brian said. The issue with ADP is always the A people out here in drafts doing wild stuff. The hypotheticals we talk about IE said we in startups ADP aren't really reflected in the streets. Now, that is true sometimes.
Starting point is 00:28:56 I will say I just recently did a startup where I, I swear it was just copy and pasting from the most recent ADP. And for a minute, I didn't even realize it took me three rounds to figure out that we were basically just selecting at ADP. And I was able to preemptively cry about players that I knew I wasn't going to get because I was just watching them all tick off damn near in order. So I think it really depends on what leagues you're in. I believe the hypotheticals are still very much viable.
Starting point is 00:29:34 It's just how you can apply it to your strategy. And again, we talk about knowing your leagues. That's where it gets increasingly more and more important. Jacob, one more player that has just been your absolute favorite pick in startups. See how many we can get through. Yeah, I'm going to try, okay? I'm going to try to emphasize a running back. And I understand that, you know, this ADP is what it is.
Starting point is 00:30:06 If I was drafting in a draft and I actually expected it to flow to this ADP, what I would do is I would do exactly what Lucas said. I would lock in one of Bijan or Breece Hall. Those are the only two running backs, really, that I don't think are overpriced. And then I don't have to deal with the position until the very late rounds. But if I'm trying to work under the assumption that I have to try and that I are, if I'm trying to work within the confines of positional ADP and how they line them next to the wider market.
Starting point is 00:30:35 One guy that I'm pretty confused about where he falls into this is James Cook. He's also been one of my favorite. Tom, cue the sound effect, favorite picks and best ball. Oh, my God. So look, I don't think that he is necessarily a perfect, complete running back. But I look at this Bill's team. I think they're going to be good on offense.
Starting point is 00:30:59 basically no matter what. You can't have Josh Allen and not be good on offense. He's just too, he's just too elite and too talented for that. But Curtis Samuel's a role player. Kion Coleman is hopefully a role player. I don't think anybody would expect him to just come in and be dominant year one. Shakir, role player. I've talked about some of the efficiency concerns with Kincaid. I'm not sure that he's really a true efficiency adding alpha. You also look at how they ended up running the ball a lot more last year down the stretch with Joe Brady. Is that how I would want to run the bill's offense? Not really. But that's how he wanted to run the bill's offense. And he's in charge. Then they go out and trade digs and they sort of have this collection of role
Starting point is 00:31:39 players in the receiving game. He's the most dynamic guy they have. What he did exceptionally well last year was play efficient running back in the context of the role that he was given. Okay. So you look at stuff like rush yards over expectation for attempt. He comes up 0.45 rushes over expectation percentage really strong, 42.7%. He was consistently explosive last year and he was able to perform at least in spurts as a high volume back. You know, I like the Ray Davis pick. I think he's going to have a role and I think that has a lot of contingent value to it. But all things considered, I don't think he's at any risk of being usurped.
Starting point is 00:32:18 And while I don't know that he's complete, I am very confident he's very, very talented, at least in the role he has, and you're basically getting everything else for free because you look at the rest of his ADP. He's behind Pacheco, behind Walker, behind Jacobs, behind Rashad White, behind Jonathan Brooks. All of these guys are guys that either have question marks or some of whom I think are just straight up bad at this point in their career. The guys going behind a Cook in the next round, Derek Henry Old, D'Andre Swift is on a third team and pretty questionable. Paul. Benson, third round rookie, we haven't seen anything about it. He's going to be backup this year. Joe Mixen, old, like, Cook is easily the last of these young backs where you can actually have any
Starting point is 00:32:59 opportunity to score to high rate and then progress their value. And I really don't think that that's being priced in an elite offense. So to me, I look at him and Pacheco is similar guys where it's like, not elite running backs, but talented within what they need to do in their offense and young enough to sustain value. I prefer Cook straight up because if his upside in the passing game, game. And because I think their offense is saying we want to build around the running backs, whereas the chief has said, we had enough of our running backs think. We want to get back to throwing the ball. And Cook's the one that goes a full round later. I think he's a bit of an arbitrage play. Can't disagree. He's also been someone that I'm acquiring outside of leagues.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Do I think Joe Brady is a good offensive coordinator? No. I don't. I think that he's his reputation for being unable to scheme his best players is kind of, evident. However, it's not hard to scheme a running back if you just turn around and hand them the ball. So of course, the touchdown things are always going to be a problem. But like you said, their most dynamic player for sure. Also, let's remember that like Curtis Samuel is going to, he's going to eat in this offense. He just is. So be ready for that. You're going to hate it. It's going to make you feel disgusting. But Curtis Samu is going to eat in this in this offense. Lucas that is a of strange thought to have a
Starting point is 00:34:18 Chris Camille will potentially be a wide receiver two maybe. Don't think it'll be that high, but we'll see. And this, so the player I'm not to say is purely based off of just a gut feeling. And honestly, I'm getting hyped up a little bit from some of the discourse that we've had throughout the off season on this show, particularly Ryan Heath. He is, he's getting me to buy into this player. You say, Chris, you know, walk out the room. No, I'm not that crazy. It's Jalen Waddle.
Starting point is 00:34:50 Best mall price has really been rising. Oh, wow. Yeah, Waddle. All right. I didn't pick him because I picked him the last time we did this like two months ago, but I'm going to co-sign all this for sure. Let's hear it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:01 So Jalen Waddle, I think where he's going at the end of the third round, it just is screaming to me as somebody, if you get to choose your spot in a startup, choose the end of round one and get that turn. because if you can get Jalen Waddle as either your third or fourth round pick there at the end of third, start of fourth, I think that that's an awesome spot for somebody who can legitimately win you weeks. His young had an excellent first and second season. And when he was healthy last season, he was fantastic.
Starting point is 00:35:35 And that is not actually, I think, being baked into his price right now. I prefer him over Chris Halaave going to watch Zero Levin. I prefer him over Drake London, wide receiver 12. And Malik neighbors at wide receiver 10, I think is a little high, a little scary. And Jalen Waddle's already went out there. He's already done it. I think if you're drafting Malik neighbors, you're betting on Daniel Jones. And after last season, that is not a bet I'm willing to make.
Starting point is 00:36:00 So I think Jalen Waddle at the end of the third round, start of the fourth round, is an excellent spot to buy that kind of production, get him on your team, has a bunch of flexibility for the rest of your roster. and you have not committed to any sort of strategy if you're going with, say, Jalen Waddle in the third round there. So that is another player I am loving to draft. Well, look, I mean, again, we discussed Waddle quite a minute. All right, let's address this LSU offense thing.
Starting point is 00:36:31 I'm going to. Like, they were playing in college against college players. Yes. They had probably two of the current best five. You could even argue best three. wide receivers in the NFL and probably best five maybe at worst you would say best seven quarterbacks the NFL right let's look at dynasty startup ADP we've got the one six the one eight the one nine right we're all the same offense here um harris marshall was an NFL player
Starting point is 00:37:02 Clyde Edwards Lerner's here's maybe this the damning thing right we had chase in jeffers same offense if you're 53 times to Clyde Edwards-Hillair that's that's maybe the bull case for James cook. I'll just say it. If I was the offensive coordinator of that LSU offense, I think we still win the national title. This is this is exactly what I talked about previously when what I was warning people about new head coaches and office of quarters that have never called place. Right. We have multiple coordinators and head coaches now that I have never called place. Right. We have
Starting point is 00:37:35 the head coach in Tennessee. Guess what? Last time he called plays was in relief in a 2008 playoff game. He does not call plays. We do not know what he's going to do or how good he is at it. Zach Taylor was given the job and Bengals fans have been scrutinizing Zach Taylor's play calls. Every year he's been their coach. It happens all the time. So no, I don't think his success has really translated to the NFL stage.
Starting point is 00:38:03 And again, he does have a known reputation for not being the best at scheming his wide receivers open. I still can't forgive him from what he did to DJ more. I can't know. I'm not even if it just. I can talk about it. It kills me. Shakir and Kekate took off under Brady and they remembered that Alan could run. And James Cook was still like their most dynamic player at the time.
Starting point is 00:38:29 And then they brought in a whole bunch of other guys that do. They're going to have rules. Right. I think that the dig thing with Brady is I think it's going to be a ham and egg type of offense. Right. Like I don't think. And it's not just a Brady thing. It's also what the team did with our personnel, right?
Starting point is 00:38:44 They moved out digs. And it's going to be, you know, it's wide receiver. It's past catcher by committee, right? It's going to be Shakir. It's going to be. And you look at the players that they got, right? They're kind of overlapping, right? Like, Kincaid is an intermediate guy.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Shakir is kind of an intermediate after the catch guy. Samuel's an intermediate after the catch guy. We'll see what Coleman is, but he's certainly not a burner. It's going to be, I think, a lot of. intermediate, ham and egg, long drives. And that's, that's going to be, you know, what Cook is able to do as well. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, very true.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Marky D. wants to know, do you have Waddle before Skinny Batman? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100% over Devante, for sure for me. Yeah, I mean, I love Smith, the player. But I think he has a bit of a glass ceiling on his dynasty value just in terms of riding Robin next to AJ Brown for pretty much the rest of his prime. all right before i give my next one we did have a question i wanted to get back to all right he wants us to grade this trade for him which i always like these these are these are nice little
Starting point is 00:39:56 off-season tidbits traded for chase can you grade the trade for me 12 man ppr superflex start 10 give up pickins alavans and mir white for chase swift and a second yeah i mean this is an easy smash I do this trade every single time this is an a plus I mean to say a plus Jacob traded give up pickings a lot of it yeah I mean yeah what I don't know this isn't a plus here that's we're posting to brag at that point yeah 100% a hundred percent this is a plus across the board can never go wrong with trade like this do this every single time all right another player that I have been loving on in every draft that I can get them in.
Starting point is 00:40:42 I mean, I can't talk. You know what? No, I'm, ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry. I can't for the 100th time tell everyone to keep drafting Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper, Deontay Johnson, Christian Kirk. They're the same person at this point in the offseason. And we should be just acquiring them at all costs. So I, too, will change up who I was going to pick.
Starting point is 00:41:08 And I'm going to pick Brian Robinson. Brian Robinson is a player to me that Look, I understand the Austin Echler They brought him in Maybe you can catch some passes still This is a dusty old veteran Running back. There's already been plenty of coach speak to me That tells us that he's not coming off the field
Starting point is 00:41:29 When they get into two minutes If he is out there in two minute They feel just as confident with Brian Robinson Out there as anyone else on the roster This is someone who in a Cliff Kingsbury system someone that helped revitalize a James Connor-esque player. And maybe, maybe, maybe Brian Robinson is not, you know, the same level of pass catcher as James Connor.
Starting point is 00:41:55 James Connor is not out there running wide receiver routes. He is, he is like the king of the swing out, check down screen pass, maybe a Texas route very slowly run every now and then. I don't see any reason why Brian Robinson can't do that either. Now you're running the risk that yes, Echler was all the high ankle sprain and he's going to struggle and all this. It is not like at RB 33, you are taking a real chance.
Starting point is 00:42:29 If you burn that pick, oh no, you missed out on Nick Chubb, Troy Franklin, Kendrae Miller, Zach Charbonnet, a bunch of booty cheek. Okay, it's just you're getting a viable starting running back likely set for 60, 65% of the work.
Starting point is 00:42:46 And then often we are expecting to be much better with a quarterback that is going to open up the running game. One thing that we know scrambling quarterbacks do provide to running backs is them opening up the running game. Yes, I understand that they tend to check the ball down less, but a little bit more efficiency and some more goal line work. And to me, Brian Robinson can easily hit that 11 to 13 point. gain threshold with a couple of spike weeks. If you are somebody like me that just does not draft running backs and startups these days, he is a priority pick, not just somebody that I hope I can get. Brian Robinson is a priority grab for me in the 11th and 12th round.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Every single draft, I don't hesitate. He's just a smash pick to me. I think this offense is going to be very good. Massively agree. I think people have done a weird thing with Brian Robinson. I mean, he was a great pick last year in all formats at cost. And then people have held the Eccular thing against him from a passing down perspective. He didn't play on passing downs last year anyhow.
Starting point is 00:43:52 That's the thing, right? Antonio Gibson already had that role. Last year, in total, Brian Robinson, oh, I just lost it, how many routes he had. Well, anyway, he had 40 targets last year. actually was extremely efficient in the receiving game. He had 1.68 yards per route run. That was fourth in the entire NFL. A lot of that is based on a couple screens that he broke.
Starting point is 00:44:16 I wouldn't expect to see that happen again necessarily. But the idea that he's going to be losing past game work, he didn't have it in the first place. All the passing down work that he was, or all the passing game work he was able to get, was on early downs. He's still going to be out there on early downs. I don't see why he can't replicate roughly 40 targets once again.
Starting point is 00:44:36 even beside Austin Echler and totally agree with everything you said about the goal line role in these Cliff Kingsbury offenses he set up very very well for that and should be a super heavy favorite to have that role over Echler well it's oh sorry i was just going to mention like people are always going to lose the passing a roll he he lost the pass in a 509 targets went to uh bum ass Antonio Gibson so regardless of what you think of Eccler's workload is going to be he's just in the exact same situation and what we deem should be a better and more efficient offense now that it's a way granted don't get me wrong talk about bad offensive coordinators we know cliff kingsbury is going to take his best receiver and let him run three routes but again
Starting point is 00:45:18 rushing quarterback with daniel's going to open it up i i can easily put a comparison player to player for roles james connor and bryd robinson if you're telling me i can get rb2 value because guess what borgant RB 21 last year in PPR format. So I mean, you're telling me I can get that value in the 11th and 12th rounds in startups. Smash pick. And I think the funniest thing about Brian Robinson, like what really shows his value is the fact that on my worst team that I had last season where I was going for number
Starting point is 00:45:51 one try to get Caleb Williams at Brian Robinson on my roster. And he was keeping me from getting the number one overall pick. But I couldn't even move him because he wasn't valued by the community. for anything that, or at least at the time that I thought was, you know, worth moving on from because he was still going to be fine this season. I kind of wish I would have cut bait earlier. That's aside from the point. Up until week 12 last season, he was the RB5 in PPR leagues.
Starting point is 00:46:18 He got banged up in week 12, had his by week after that and then missed a couple of games. But he was so freaking good. And in a team that already was having to throw a ball a lot because they were just down all the time and in garbage time. He was doing well when they had to throw the ball. And so in what should be a more high scoring offense, a better offense this season, hopefully for Washington fans, I think that he is really set up. And heck, even in your redraft or whatever other league you're playing in, he's still going
Starting point is 00:46:51 late. And if you just want part of this Washington backfield, go ahead and draft both him in Austin Eckler and move on with life because you're not going to sweat it going back to back in round eight nine or even in this i think it's what rounds 11 and 13 that's where you're having to draft them yeah you're not you're not sweating that no these are these are absolutely easy picks um look brandon martinez he agrees b rob is a beats uh is a is a is a beast is correct uh brian ford said i did a trade today won't tell you which side i was garrett wilson and joku for kinkade and oh dunzee this one is a little interesting jacob yeah uh definitely the wilson side for me
Starting point is 00:47:35 definitely the wilson side okay this is just because you hate all tight ends uh lucas who i'm still going to lean wilson but i actually had to think about that one there's a little part of me that wants the cancade adunze side so i think it's a fair trade by still them ling wilson yeah i'll actually take kinkade no dunzae here um there's this there's just something i dad was playing in new york there's something something something's gonna run amok this year i can just feel it i don't know what it is i got a gut feeling i like the overall value play jacob i saw your roll your eyes if you understood that you hate tight ends it's just the way it's just it's just the way that people believe i just think a joku today is a better football player than kinkade i don't think there's a massive difference
Starting point is 00:48:22 between them aside from age and i mean maybe a dune's is as good as garrant wilson but i'll have to see that it's just pure pure value for me in in this regard right you're getting the two players drafted drafted higher right um so yeah but you're getting that you're getting easily the most valuable player on the wilson side of the deal which is if for now again i don't know what it is i don't know what it is i just something's coming i don't know i don't know i don't have any insider information or anything like that. But I just think something, some coming away. I saw some other comments and questions.
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Starting point is 00:49:53 Last week is here. This week I just have to come back and find this question, Frozen Gaming. I'm going to 12 team two Keeper League. I have Chase and Henry. And the first pick, best available is Sequin and Harrison. Should I go Sequin for win now or play the long game and go Harrison?
Starting point is 00:50:15 Look, the answer is and always will be Harrison for me. I mean, I don't think Sequin even, I think the idea that Harrison can't be win now, I have seen this on the timeline a couple of times today. And we have even said that maybe he's getting drafted at just like what his peak can be, right? We have mentioned that. Does not mean he can still not get 150 targets, have a Jamar Chase rookie season, and still be a win now piece. He's still a generational prospect. And I know that word generational gets thrown around a lot.
Starting point is 00:50:48 but he's been a dude for a couple of years i'm still just take your chase get yourself some some marvin and and call it a day for me yeah i mean harrison is going ahead of saquan and schmess small so um worth noting that uh the wind now might not be what you think the win now right i just think it's the people are really infatuated this idea of sayquan in philly i'm not i think there's like there could be a very real chance that he is just kind of a little bit cooked uh and what his role he's not getting a hundred and whatever targets in Philly right I really think the offense was better for him in New York even if the team is worse so yeah I mean I
Starting point is 00:51:30 I don't agree that he's cooked I think he's probably I think he's maybe even a little bit I think he kind of went from overrated as a talent to maybe even a bit underrated as a talent based on how bad the situation was the fact that he was able to put up positive metrics at all while being like I mean you were watching someone gave to Tommy DeVito where it was like we're gonna head at the sake won like every play I admire the the effort last year I think he's gonna be ludicrously efficient this year in Philly but that's not really how fantasy points get scored it's touchdowns and it's receptions and I think he's going to be struggling for both of those given what Philly is has traditionally done so
Starting point is 00:52:12 yeah it's Harrison for me yeah yeah just because his rookie does not mean he's not win now I think that's important to to note all right let's go let's do it let's go five for five let's re-explain to people what the game is so they can be locked in all right it's been a while it has we haven't done this in about a month the five for five is a game in which I have designed five I picked five players and they all play fantasy eligible positions so they are always quarterbacks running backs wide receivers or tight ends i give five up to five clues for each players if the contestant guesses on the first clue five points second clue four points etc etc the last question is always worth double points but sometimes i just make it i don't know
Starting point is 00:53:08 triple points if whatever whatever i need to to make sure that uh make sure that the math works out um i also have usually an overarching theme for each week that brings all these players together. And I figured that this week, with Lucas back on the show and especially with college football 25 into our lives, this is the all college edition of five for five. None of the clues that I'm giving are about their NFL careers. They are all describing their college careers, or at least almost all of them anyway. That being said, every one of these players did play in the end.
Starting point is 00:53:47 NFL except one who is an active college player the others are currently NFL players I'm just focusing on their college careers um does that make sense everybody they're already understand what you're in the chat by the way usual usual warning for the people in the chat if you want to play along by all means feel free sometimes I even do crazy things I give the chat points it's pretty arbitrary when I decide to do that but please don't Google all right we're going to do this on the honor system. But if you start guessing on the first clue every single time, your honor might be questioned.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Okay. Well, I'll put it that way. So, uh, please play a log. I think me, one only winner from the chat. Right? Meat was one once is insane. That's true.
Starting point is 00:54:33 All right. Let's not forget that I have the best record in this game, right? I've also played it the most times out of anyone here. Doesn't matter. Availability. I've lost track of the overall standings. I can't recall. you've won twice or three times you've definitely won the most yeah i think i think one of the times
Starting point is 00:54:50 i might have given you a half a win and i gave the chat a half a win we don't can't so so let's just one mvp round up right right all right okay here we go we go five for five college football edition this is a current college football player going into his third year all right i'm going to pass that's that's a little i mean you can take a a free guess if you like all right prior to beginning his college football career this running back had 41 touchdowns as a high school senior i had no idea this is insane still too big for me college football this is insane okay this player currently plays in the mountain west conference is it ashton gentry that is this pronounced but correct yes to lucas gilbert we got
Starting point is 00:55:46 put an R in there for no particular reason, but three points for Lucas. Not to go too far off track, but back whenever we were doing the full tilt Devi show, apparently I would say somebody's name right the very first time and then progressively get the name more and more wrong as the show went on to the point that they didn't know who I was talking about by the time we were done with that point. So I apologize. I'm doing my best with my pronunciations. All right, three points for Lucas. That is the only current college player. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:56:19 Can come back to life here. I'm screwed. All right. The rest of these, to be clear, I will be most important. Lucas is three point head start. Like, and to say this is this is a guy that invented the paragon of objectivity.
Starting point is 00:56:38 My ass. He's like a first round Debbie pick. It's like I picked some random fucking, fucking real it's not real it's fake players playing with like playing fake fantasy it's not real these are the same guys no no these are the same guys that are trying to offer me like players i've never heard of for gara wilson and telling me that it's fair market value and devi bro get out of here fake players are just lying to you fantasy that's what it is that's devi all right i need you to go out Jacob, I even blame you for putting me in that league because you convinced me to join it.
Starting point is 00:57:19 Do you know how many trades I got that involved like Brock Purdy and six players I've never heard of for like for what? I've at least heard of Quinn Ewers. He might be asked, but I know he exists. No, fake, fake leagues, fake players, fake game. It's not real fantasy. I'm going to give Tom one point for a very funny rant. I'll take it. I'll take the pin. I'm fine with it.
Starting point is 00:57:47 We give the top three to one. Okay. This player had 16 rushing, four passing, and one receiving touchdown in his final college season. No idea. I'm going to say Darren McFadden. Whoa, five points. This is.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Shit. That was insane. So all right. All right. Old school. Do you all remember the old Madden head coach games that came out? I don't know. There's only two of them.
Starting point is 00:58:18 It's like 2007, 2008. Well, in the draft, the very first draft that you have to do as a head coach in that game, was the Derr-McFadden draft. And I went through that draft. I don't even know how many times,
Starting point is 00:58:32 probably hundreds of times. And every time that they mentioned Derrimick-Fadden, and they always mention how many passing touchdowns he had and that he could play a little quarterback in a pinch. It was just one like the little sound bits. That's how I absolutely knew it was going to be Darren McFadden. It's disgusting that you got. I'm cooked.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Like I can't come back. Wow. This is looking pretty good for Lucas so far. I'm getting to have in. Fun fact with Darren McFadden, this was going to be the fourth clue. I had so many good clues for Darren McFadden. But back back to the first NCAA game I played, Darren McFadden was on the cover of NCAA-2009 Xbox edition.
Starting point is 00:59:11 So shout-out. We were also going to get some Felix Jones mentions, and we were going to get a run the NC shout-out, Aerosmith shout-out. Just too bad. The Lucas ruined that whole clue there. But that was the first ever first clue guest. I think in here, we've got it from the chat before,
Starting point is 00:59:29 but I think this was the first first clue guest from an actual contestant. Shout out Lucas. That was extremely impressive. That's insane. 8 to 1 all right with Tom not grinding high school tape on huddle no no it's okay weird this player had 643 rushing yards in his senior season but it clips that both with return yardage and receiving yardage uh i'm going to try another first guess i'm going to say taevon austin five points This is the most impressive performance that we have seen on 5 for 5 so far.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Thomas is deceased. This is a stacked deck. This is my childhood. I am loving this. Lucas is in the zone right now. Oh, my. Other fun facts about Tavon Austin set an Orange Bowl record with four touchdown receptions, had a career high in all-purpose yards at a single game with 500.
Starting point is 01:00:29 172 in a loss and did have at least a thousand yards receiving, rushing, and returning in his NFL career. All right. If Lucas gets this one on the first guess, I'm going to start looking into hacking software being placed onto my computer. I'm pretty sure that you just gave Lucas the answers and they're not even trying to hide it. Because you would never expect me to actually believe that you gave him the answer and he's making it obvious. Like, I think that you think that I would think that that I want you to know that I'm on to you. And it's rigged and we need to stop the gap. All right.
Starting point is 01:01:14 First clue, player four. This is the only player in NCAA history to win the highest trophy on a team with a losing record. Lucas isn't allowed to guess. That's a pass. I'll see if you can get another one. I don't think I don't think I can here This is probably a little bit older You know what to give Tom a chance on the next
Starting point is 01:01:36 I'm going to go out there Oh To give you There's been a couple who've not been Particularly good I'm going to say Tim Tebow By I know that's wrong because they went seven and five The year he won the Heisman
Starting point is 01:01:50 That is incorrect But one thing you were right about Is that it was sorry Oh do you want to guess Tom I'll go Cam Ward Incorrect Um, okay, you were right, Lucas that it was older. This player after finishing a stellar college or after his college football
Starting point is 01:02:07 Hall of Fame career, he was drafted first overall in 1957. Oh my God. 1957. Not a little bit older. A lot of it older. A lot of bit. He's drafted first overall in 1957. Um, I don't know my eras like that.
Starting point is 01:02:28 that that's crazy I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Staubeck not correct that was actually where I was gonna go but I couldn't remember his name it's gonna be someone weird it's gonna be like Nogersky or like it's gonna be some weird old timer all right I'll see if you guys can get this or not this is not first ever player to win the Heisman Trophy the NFL MVP and to be inducted in both the college and Pro Football Hall of Fame. What? Is it going to be weird?
Starting point is 01:03:03 The punter, like something weird. Like, was it Ray Guy? Then he win an MVP as a punter? It is not Ray Guy. I don't know. I have no idea. This is a brutal question. Good call.
Starting point is 01:03:18 I love the Ray guy call. I'm trying to think the outside of the box as possible. Oh. I got nothing. All right. Okay. Fourth clue. Vince Lombardi refers to this player
Starting point is 01:03:30 as the greatest player he has ever coached. Bartstar. Incorrect. We could guess. No, it's the, it's got to be the running back. I can't remember his stupid name. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:03:45 All right. We'll see if this last one else. It's his name. Known for his elite versatility throughout his NFL career, the award now given to college football's most versatile player this past season, Travis Hunter is named in his honor. All right.
Starting point is 01:04:02 I think this. I'm confused on the award because there's another award that I'm thinking of. I'm going to say Jim Thorpe. Not correct. Okay. I can't get it. I have no idea. The correct answer is Paul Horning.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Oh my God. I never in a million years would have gotten that. That is an obscene question. That is truly. I figured out try one old school college football legend there for you. Dang. That was tough. Don't know.
Starting point is 01:04:29 These guys wouldn't know like a Javan Walker question because it's in like 2008. You think we're going to even I did the oldest man on this program. If they're going to come nowhere near who that is. Do not even know who that is. All right. So the score is 13 to 1. The good news is that the final round is going to be doing the math here quick. The final round is going to be quadruple points.
Starting point is 01:04:54 Okay. Which means Tom can tie if he gets this correct. by the third guess. Okay. So, you know, I don't make the rules. I just recently opened up this message here that said it's going to be quadruple points. Crazy what a coincidence that is that it works out so nicely. We have a secret investor in this game.
Starting point is 01:05:15 All right. The rule. First clue. As part of a joint Heisman campaign with his quarterback, the team made a website for the players called pass or catch.com. Uh, no, I got nothing there. Lucas is deep in thought reading his fourth monitor. I have, I have a guess, but I'm going to wait so I can guess on the next one.
Starting point is 01:05:38 Oh, you're a, you're a, going to play the strategy because I can't guess on the next one if I guess on this one. Okay. You don't need any help, Lucas. Originally recruited to Texas, he chose a rival school because Texas only wanted him to play defense. God, that actually sounds vaguely familiar. But I can't, I can't be the one to guess and get it wrong. I have to use the strategy. What was the website one more time?
Starting point is 01:06:05 Pass or catch.com. Okay. Went to a rival school because they only wanted him to play defense. Can you repeat the first clue? Yeah. Part of a joint Heisman campaign with his quarterback. The team made a website called pass or catch.com. Joint Heisman.
Starting point is 01:06:24 All right. And you have five seconds to digest those clues. I'm going to go to the third clue, which for Tom is a decisive clue. Right. All right. Not so sorry. He holds eight NCAA receiving records, including most yards and catches by a freshman, 134 and 1962, respectively.
Starting point is 01:06:45 I'll repeat the clue. Not so sorry. He holds eight NCAA receiving records, including most yards and catches by a freshman. Not so sorry being the like, the big clue here that makes me feel really dumb went to a rival school you guys are killing me here
Starting point is 01:07:06 I'm going I'm going to guess Michael Crabtree that's correct you want to try me with the sorry receiver like Crabtree that's what you go get there you go this whole game just ass that was an NFL clue right there that was the Richard Sherman try me with a sorry
Starting point is 01:07:25 receiver quote I didn't actually get that. She was that good? He was unbelievable in college. Damn. I just remember it being terrible in Baltimore. Like, that's the last memory I have. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:40 The joint quarterback campaign, by the way, Saskatchewan Rough Riders legend, Graham Harold on the Mike Leach, Texas Tech Red Raiders, one of the most fun college football teams of all time. Shout out, Mike Leach, man. Shout out. That was an insane version of this game.
Starting point is 01:07:54 Lucas won by the way with a final score of 25 to 1. So that was, uh, I was going to report. I got the one on a rant. Like it wasn't even for, you know, the ones for comedic value. It wasn't even for an answer is because I. I was stuck on Justin Blackman for the longest time on that last one. I almost said Blackman. I was so close, but yeah, I mean, similar era, same conference, similar set up with another big 12 famous quarterback yeah yeah that was i was thinking like a mike
Starting point is 01:08:28 evans or something like that but like i was like i was like no i don't think he you know i don't think he did that good with mansell this kind of texas an m thing that was the closest that um uh you know i could think of but that was not that brian says that was the odds tom tom would win so appropriate you're right as soon as they said college football i'm going to have to get in the lab and study my college football knowledge with college football 25. I can assure you that we will go back to our typical method of 80% NFL, 20% college clues moving forward. Uh, but Lucas did not disappoint today bringing college, uh, knowledge right to the front.
Starting point is 01:09:09 That was, that was truly remarkable and I'm just a point of the neither of you immediately got the sorry wide receiver like Crabtree, the greatest, uh, interview in NFL history. Nah, dude. I'm sorry, man. I didn't get that made up with my earlier performance. I just showed Aaron that interview. Like we were watching the top 10 like most unhinged, uh, like post game interviews or whatever.
Starting point is 01:09:32 And it was on there. I should have got it. And the way you said it, uh, I should have got a quick break. We got a cut. We got a question in the chat. And then for the people that stayed to the end, I want to get three more bonus players that we're just super excited to draft that we're going to go through in rapid fire order. Just a little bit of a bonus for those who. have stayed all the way here through to the end. Sit tight.
Starting point is 01:09:55 When you fly in Emirates business class and you're picked up by your private, luxury, chauffeur driven car, you'll see that your vacation isn't really over until your flight is over. Fly Emirates. Fly better. All right, Rain has asked the question, should I trade pickens for McBride and Dynasty? My team is loaded at all positions except for tight end. He has K.oughton. you know he is Stroud and JD 5 Marvin Harrison Cooper D-hop etc
Starting point is 01:10:24 it it depends to me if it's a tight end premium or not if this is a tight end premium then yeah I'm smashing that absolutely not tight end premium I'm just as fine rolling out guys like Kate Otten
Starting point is 01:10:39 every week like I just the value on tight ends even in warp outside of like the number one guy in non-tight-end premium formats is just so insignificant. Yes, it is. Then, yeah, I'm taking McBride there every single time. I'm doing McBride even in non-premium.
Starting point is 01:10:57 I mean, I think you're talking straight up. Okay, that's-do-McRide no matter what there. Okay, yeah, I think George Pickens is actually going to have a kind of a half-decent year. I think you'll have a half-decent year. I think McBride can do a little better than half-season. It's just in a non-tight-end premium. Just give me like Tyler, Conklin and let me roll him out every week because again, like, just the wins over replacement for tight ends is not.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Yeah, but I mean, I think McBride minus Conklin is going to be a much, even a non-premium is going to be a higher number than Pickens minus Tyler Lockett. So what's a good year for George Pickens? Where are you expecting? Like, wide receiver, what? What would you consider that's a good year for him? He's been drafted in the top 24 wide receiver this year. So I think he's got to be. I would say wide receiver 20.
Starting point is 01:11:48 18 to 20 to me would be like an out. If he is drafted as wide receiver 18 to 20, Pickens is going to shoot up draft boards. And where are you expecting McBride to finish? Man, I got him as tight end three on the year. Yeah, tie. In three is still more about like significantly more valuable than wide receiver 20. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:13 Yeah. I guess that's even a non tight end premium. Yeah, in time premium, it's just through the roof. Yeah, I mean, that's fair. Okay, three players, three more quick players that we have been absolutely happy to smash in fancy draft. Just for the people who have stuck around, we love and appreciate you. You haven't already hit the subscribe button. It helps us out tremendously.
Starting point is 01:12:31 Jacob, let's give them one more bonus player. Uh, for what? Sorry, for the guy we like to draft. Yes. Okay. So I was like, I was like, I'm not coming up with five clues in 10 seconds. All right. Yeah, I mean, I've been talking about this guy on every show, so I'll just keep hammering him.
Starting point is 01:12:51 Adric Estime, deep down, get him on every team, every format. With the Denver Broncos this year, I think you're very likely to see top five expected fantasy points to the running back position. I'm fine with Giovante-ish where he goes, but wide-range outcomes there. I think Jaliel is a sweet player. I think he's just a role player. He's 180 pounds. He's not going to be a goal on guy. I don't think he can pass protect well enough to be an every down guy.
Starting point is 01:13:22 I think he's going to have a package of plays every week that they're going to get the ball to him. And I think it's ultimately going to wind up being Javante versus Estimate for the rest. And if the market isn't sure that it's Javante, which based on how they draft them, they're not sure if it's Javante. And I think that's reasonable to not be sure. Then estimate should be a lot higher than free. So that's the guy that I'm. I will give you for a late round guy that I keep hitting every time I can. I love it.
Starting point is 01:13:48 He's a great pick. Lucas. I'm going to go with the guy we were just talking about, Trey McBride. Another player, I absolutely love drafting. You want to get advantages at positions where you can find them. You're not having to pay the same anywhere close to the same price of Sam Leporta, who right now is Titein 1.
Starting point is 01:14:04 And Trey McBridey can very easily finish Titan 1 this season. I think it's almost a locked in tied in five for the season. So really like where he's being. drafted. All right. Yeah. I love that. I'm not going to, I'm going to look, we all know I got my Tremick Bride jersey and out my Tremic bride signed Manny helmet. Uh, thanks to Lucas. So, um, you know, I'm, I'm all in this year 100%. Uh, for me, if you want a really late pick and I know people really, really love these super deep dives, how about wide receiver 78 Darnell Mooney? Now, if we think the Falcons offense is going to take.
Starting point is 01:14:43 off and Kirk Cousins is going to do what Kirk Cousins does, which is pay mid to late QB1 numbers on a week to week basis in this McShanahan-esque season. Then Darnell Mooney is a free wide receiver three. He can be the Brandon Cooks to this offense. This guy had 140 targets in his second year. Then we know what happened to that offense over the last couple of years and how absolutely putrid it's been. 140 targets.
Starting point is 01:15:14 It was, look, it was one of the least efficient 140 target seasons I think we've ever seen on the new 81 catches. But if you're telling me this man can't put up 81 catches for another 1,100 yards and 4 to 6 touchdowns, if you liked what you saw from Jordan Addison, I mean, the second weapon in a Kirk Cousin's offense, the at wide receiver. Obviously, we know the second weapon on that offense is going to be Kyle Pitts. But with the with the Bijon Pitts London Trio, another option is going to pop out for massive games. And you want to talk about freer than free? Wide receiver 78 is just not somebody you ever have to be concerned about clicking.
Starting point is 01:15:59 He and Brandon Cooks are my two most drafted late round wide receivers in every single draft. because again, they're just free flex plays. And in the deepest, darkest depths of dynasty, those are some of the types of guys that really help you get those number one seeds when half your roster is either injured, suspended, playing real life, Grand Theft Auto, just doing everything that can come up unexpectedly in a season.
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