Fantasy Football Daily - The Jalen Hurts Extension and Favorite NFL Draft Props | Take Talk Podcast

Episode Date: April 22, 2023

In Take Talk 52, Steve O'Rourke (@callmesteveo7) and Chris Wecht (@ChrisWechtFF) break down the massive Jalen Hurts extension in Philadelphia, and then offer some of their favorite prop bets on the 2023 NFL Draft. Interested in playing Best Ball in 2023? There's no better place than Underdog Fantasy. Use our code FANTASYPTS to sign up for a new account at Underdog, and not only will you get a 100% deposit match up to $100... but you'll get a Fantasy Points Standard subscription for only $5! https://www.fantasypoints.com/underdog --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. Hello everyone and welcome in to the Take Talk podcast. I'm Stephen O'Rourke and today filling in for Brett Whitefield is our honored guest, frequent appearance. and one of our good friends, Chris Wecht. Chris, how are you doing today? I'm doing good.

We are less than a week away from draft night. It's getting closer, getting excited. It's one of the best days, weekends, really, of the year from football. I know. I feel like it really, like it felt like it was so far away. And then all of a sudden, like, these last two weeks have flown by, and here we are. It's, yeah, like you said, six days away. I know, I'm ready.

I'm getting a little tired. of all the different, you know, all the time. Like, I'm ready to stop talking about all the prospects and just find out where they're going. The mock drafts are getting more interesting as we get closer. But yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready to first just start. The draft fatigue. Yeah, the draft fatigue is hitting hard.

Like, you're just, it's just like droning on about the same points and people reaching. And now you're even starting to get some of the guys that are, you know, like just, you're pushing narratives about different guys that it's like, all right. clearly we all know what this is what you're trying to do here like why is it like you know that why is it coming out like right now when we've had X amount of months to find this information out yeah exactly but before we jump into that you as the resident Philadelphia Eagles fan super fan however you want to call it we did have big news in a couple different areas and the first one was the Jalen Hertz signing

Yeah, so, yeah, five years, $255 million with almost $180,000 guaranteed. It's a big deal. But it seems like it's not a terrible deal for the Eagles in the grand scheme of things. I mean, they get it done before Joe Burrow, before Justin Herbert, before whatever ends up happening with Lamar Jackson happens. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, if not all three, at least two of those guys are going to beat Hertz contracts. because that's just how quarterback contracts work.

The next guy is always higher paid than the previous guy. So, yeah, I mean, I'm not upset with it. The cap hits are extremely interesting for how it starts. We don't know all the details yet. So in 2023, it's just $6 million, which is just a holdover from his rookie deal. But then in 2024, $13 million, $2025, $21 million, $2026, $31 million. million. None of those numbers are like backbreaking for building a roster. Like, they'll still be able to have a good team around him. I don't know what happens in

2027 and 2028, but that's that's future Chris's problem. That's right. Right. From what I understand it's like, or what I've heard like inklings of is that they might be able to get out of it like semi easily after that. I'm sure there will be some kind of restructure. when they come when they get to that point or you know like you said i mean who knows yeah i mean i expect hurts to still be the qb of the eagles and them them want him to be the qb so i'm not thinking they're cutting him or anything right but yeah i'm assuming there'll be some kind of restructure or something that'll spread because i did see a tweet uh i forget who it was from i think it was nick corte who does a lot of the compick stuff uh and whatnot he uh he was estimating if if we know these cap numbers

it could be something like $70, $80 million cap hits in 2027, 2020, which would be massive. Right. So do not expect those numbers to hold. But yeah, good for, I mean, how he continues to work his salary cap magic. Hertz gets to be the highest paid quarterback for a little bit. We'll see how long.

And he also got a no trade clause, which is a little bit unusual for, I mean, we're starting to see it a little bit more, but definitely not something common. I wonder if like the Wens whole how like when's getting traded and whatnot if that mattered to them at all. But also the Eagles were pretty like willing to work with once when they did end up trading him to the cult. So like I don't I don't think that was like a I don't think the Eagles were like no, we don't we don't want to give this out. I'm sure they were willing to work that in if it was really important to Hertz. Hertz and his representatives.

And I mean overall what a come up for Jalen Hertz. I mean, if you had said a year and a half ago that he would sign the biggest contract in NFL history, I mean, I feel like nobody would have taken that, everybody would have taken that bet against you. The Eagles were in the market for Russell Wilson last year. They were in the market for Aaron Rogers briefly went back when his trade talks were circling around. But yeah, there is a world where Russell Wilson is the QB of the Eagles, and it was not. not far, like that far from happening. And I, I mean, I didn't expect Hertz to take the leap that he took.

I mean, I thought he had issues and I wasn't saying that he couldn't get better, but I was definitely not sold that he was going to get better. Yeah, and like Brett's referenced it a few times on the podcast, but he's a guy that every single year you've seen improvement in some aspect of his game. And I mean, obviously, kudos to Howie Roseman. kudos to the Eagles for putting him in the best position to succeed. I mean, he has an absolute super team around him almost. It feels like on offense.

Like he's littered with weapons. The offensive line is fantastic. And then even now, after signing, they still have two first round draft picks this year. Yep. Yeah. So like just a lot of places to maneuver and a lot of ways to surround their quarterback with talent

to, you know, make this team go and not be completely reliant on him. Yeah, they gave him everything that he could need to succeed. They said that we're going to find out what you have in you. And he showed them he has a lot in him. He would have been Super Bowl MVP had they won that game in February. And yeah, like this is what other teams need to follow, this blueprint. This is what the Bears need to do with Justin Fields.

This is what the Chargers should do with Harvard. Like you've got to surround your, like who cares? Because, you know, not everyone, basically nobody is going to be Patrick Mahomes. No one's going to win a Super Bowl with MVS and Cadarius Tony as your leading wide receivers. Right, right. Just because Hertz needed AJ Brown to take another leap and Devante Smith to be better in Dallas-Gaater and, you know, in a good strong run game. Like, that should be, you know, the requirement for teams to provide their QB. You shouldn't be expecting your QV to be Mahomes or Brady or whoever, you know, Rogers.

these guys that are just the Uber elites. If they can give you what we saw from Hertz this past year with you putting talent around them, I'd say it's worth keeping those guys around. Yeah, just because you have a superstar quarterback, a high top five quarterback, doesn't mean that you have to deprive him of weapons. I mean, Joe Burrow is taking the leap that he's taken and done what he's done because of, because he's had T. Higgins and Jamar Chase. I mean, he's had a shoddy offensive line,

but he's got guys that he can throw the ball up to consistently. And like that helped him rise to where he's at. It's just, I think you are starting to finally see the understanding that you don't have to just leave your quarterback out in an island and say, go win us the game. You can, you can't provide them help. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Less and less teams seem like they're going the, you know, prove that you're worth this and just saying, we're going to give you everything to prove that you're not worth it. Right. And then just seeing where the chips fall. Right. And then just before we jump into the NFL draft,

the Eagles signed Matt Patricia to come on as, hey, defensive assistant, defensive, just a guy to help out, which, I mean, just real quick, just when you think they're doing everything right, do they throw a curveball at you? And it's just like, why? Why? What is he bringing to the table that you don't have there already? As long as he doesn't enter the offensive room wing, whatever part of the building that is, just keep him away from the offense in all capacities.

I'm okay with it. I still don't know why. You want him for his defensive knowledge either? I guess he's had some successful defenses when he's been a part of the Patriots. But yeah, I don't go. And I don't, and, you know, we already know Darius Slay doesn't like him. Yeah, I wonder if they're going to have to. I have to imagine they talk to Slay before this happened.

I don't, like, they just bring. They go through the hole. He's getting cut. And now he's back. Like, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least talk to him about like, hey, we might do this thing. We think you might help. What do you think? Hopefully they did.

They at least stay at opposite ends of the building. Maybe a little, maybe is a little. interaction as they can between the two is the best case scenario. Patricia is just going to be set in a corner. You can't see the offense, can't see Darius Slay on the defense, but he can touch everything else. Take him back to being just like a film jocky guy that just sits in an office and grinds film and doesn't interact with the players at all. Yeah, exactly.

But what we really wanted to get into today was Chris and I want to just kind of go over some of our favorite draft props for next week, just looking at some places we can get value, things that we like, long shots that we like. Overall, just kind of go over some of the props that are out there because Chris, you and I were talking pre-show. This next week, it's probably going to look completely different every day almost.

I mean, with each passing day, you're going to get a little bit more clarity, a little bit more of an idea of what, who teams are leaning toward. And I mean, even though it feels like this is one of the more uncertain drafts as far as which way it'll go, we still are going to start to get some clarity on things. And not like this weekend is the time to jump in on the draft prop market and kind of try and get inklings of an idea of where people might go and grab some of the longer odds

before they start shooting up like Bryce Young did, you know, in the last week where, you kind of got the official declaration and that number one pick and the first QB taken went from, you know, sitting around like plus 100 plus 125 to now Bryce Young's at like minus 1,200 to be the first quarterback taken and things like that. So now is the time like after this. I would definitely like this weekend, do your research, start, you know, looking in, find the, find the picks that you like, find the players that you like and start jumping on those before things start shifting heavily. Yeah, I think what, Trayvon Walker last year, it was like a weaker two weeks maybe before the draft and he was still like a long shot favorite to go first overall. And then basically the week of the draft, we all pretty much, there was like maybe a slight chance that it wasn't him. But he was pretty much the heavy favorite at that point by the time we got to draft week. Yeah, exactly.

Which, yeah, like you said, that's pretty much what seems like what's happened with Bryce Young. I mean, when a guy cancels all his pre-jraft visits, I think I think that's pretty telling. Yeah, yeah, that kind of, yeah, you know that he knows where he's going and he's not, he's like, I'm not going to waste my time just jumping on planes to fly back and forth across the country to go meet with people for no reason whatsoever. Yeah. So with that being said, I mean, is there any shot that you would touch a number one pick guy other than Bryce Young at this point? Because obviously, like everybody's a long shot at this point. Probably not. I mean, it just, it's so. far and away. Anthony Richardson at plus 1,500 to go number one. I think overall, like, his props are fun to play with.

He's got long odds almost all over the board. But, like, other than that, like, it seems like it's going to be Bryce Young, but grabbing a flyer at plus 1,500, like, you know, there's a chance. There's a slight chance, at least from what everyone's saying. and this, who knows, it could be a Malik Willis light situation where all of a sudden he plummets and everybody, everybody hates him and he just goes on the board. But I really don't see that happening. He's a completely different player. He's completely different in every aspect. And I don't anticipate him going from being talked about as like a top three pick to being a third round pick.

I think that was kind of a special situation last year. But grabbing him at plus 1,500 at the number one pick. It might be worth a flyer. I'm not saying I still don't think it's going to happen. I think like you said, Bryce Young not going to the team visits and all that is pretty telling. And I think that we can kind of like rest on that a little bit. Yep.

What do you think? Is there any way you're touching that at all? No. I mean, I've been watching some of these like throughout the past month and a half or so. And I've bet various QBs to go at different times, a plus one. I think I'm pretty much done betting the number one pick at this point. It does seem like it's going to be Bryce Young and I'd rather allocate resources to other spots that are still a little more uncertain.

Yeah. But sticking with quarterbacks, are there any other quarterback props that you're looking at that you like, whether it be first, second, third quarterback taken certain teams picking a quarterback, Are there any that you're looking at that you that are really grabbing your eye? So I was looking this morning and I think I do, I'm starting to buy this. The Texans don't like any other QBs, but Young and Levis. Yeah. And I kind of like betting the Levis to go second overall at plus 400. You can bet them to be the second QB, but that's only plus 100.

And I feel like, you know, the second QB is probably at the second pick, whether it's the Texans trading out or the Texans picking somebody. Yeah. It does. We've seen Peter Schrager now mock the Levis to the Texans of two. I've heard Daniel Jeremiah talk about that he's heard that the Texans do like Levis better than the other QBs. So yeah, I kind of do like taking a shot on plus 400 at Levis to go number two overall.

Yeah. Is there any team? Any team specifically that you think is going to jump up and take Levis this year? Who do you think is going to take that risk? Because I think Levis is like the one guy, Richardson people are torn on, but Levis more so than Richardson. It kind of feels like it's really all over the map on what teams think of him. I think it's got to be Houston that takes him. I don't see a team.

If a team's trading up, I think it's to leap the Colts for whoever they think, whatever QB they like, Stroud or Richardson. Right. But there's also like I also don't really think the Cardinals want to pick at three. So it's like, do why jump to two when you could probably get to three for slightly cheaper? Right. So yeah, if Levis is it too, I feel like it's got to be the Texans taking him there. Yeah.

Yeah, I like that. I think it is a position for the Texans where it's like it like you can't just sit on the pot and keep going another year. I know the quarterback class next year looks great and everything, but with a class like this and the talent that seems to be there, I don't think that you can, as a team that's in the position that they are, like, how can you tell people that you're going to ride with Davis Mills for another year? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you have a new head coach, you know, like you're trying to insto some hope from your fans. So, yeah, why would you not have a, you know, more hopeful QB? at with you. And we've seen that like I've heard

I know Brett's talked about maybe they could get Levis at 12 but like we've seen this multiple times now over recent history where teams have multiple first round picks and they need a QB if you're if you like the guy at 12 you might as well just take him at two

the Giants did it with Daniel Jones they had three and six that year I think and they took Daniel Jones at three they did it or the bills did it with Josh Allen they took them at like seven over 12 or something like that. I forget exactly what they were.

Yeah. If you like the QB, you secure them with the earlier pick and you just be done with it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Another, going to, shifting to Anthony Richardson, I, I still like the plus 1,700 on draftings. I think I'm at plus 2,000 on Van Duil for, to be drafted by the Detroit Lions. I think that's another one that, you know, it could come down to him not making it to the lion. But at, like I said, at plus 1,700 plus 2,000, I think we've heard enough rumors around him to them that it would be, again, it's worth a flyer on it.

Yeah, I liked the lions to, at plus 1,000 to take a cute. first and you're yeah you're just taking it one step further and right who that QB will be so yeah I like that I like that long shot I mean they're in a range there if they're smart they're they know they're not going to be bad enough to be in this range again hopefully for the next few years that's the goal obviously you might as well you might as well take your shot now why you why you can for a much cheaper cost than what it will be next year or the year after if you're too good yeah yeah because I think they know and everybody else knows that they're not going to be in the running and nor are they going to want them trying to make a play to be in the running for like the

Drake May Caleb Williams sweepstakes that's inevitably going to jump off next year. Yep, I definitely agree with that. Let's do a non-QB one. I'll go back to my Eagles. I like them to their, so you can do this two ways. I think they're, I've heard a couple of the major draft guys say that they think the Eagles are one of the teams that'll be aggressive in making a move in this in the first round. Yeah. I think they want to try to get up to draft Jalen Carter if he isn't going to fall to 10 to them.

So I think you can do, I've, I've looked at betting them. Their first position is plus 200 on draft Kings to be a D-Lyman. And that's, that's a little bit safer because it doesn't have to be Carter. It could be Nolan Smith. Lucas Van Ness has been mocked to them a ton. I feel pretty good about them definitely going O-line, D-Line. And I think O-Line and D-Line are a little bit too far apart from each other in terms of odds right now. Yeah.

And then, yeah, or you could just do them to draft Carter, which is at, I looked at it earlier. There it is. Plus 500. So you double your odds there if you think they do are aggressive and do try to trade up with, like, the Falcons at 8 or something like that. The Falcons, because the Falcons really like Nolan Smith. Yes. They've been mocked Bijan. They don't necessarily have to make that pick at eight.

Yes. And that's Jalen Carter's one that I think it's turning for him. The narrative around him is turning. I know that, you know, not to always harp on the Detroit lines, but I know he went and visited there this week and Holmes came out, I think, like yesterday or it was either yesterday or Wednesday and basically said that they felt much. much better about him. And again, that's like, take that with, you know, the Detroit lines like him.

Or you can take that as, hey, they're trying to, you know, push people to think that they like him and try to get someone to look. Like you said, maybe it's the Eagles that jump him or even like the Seattle Seahawks a pick right before them. A team that, you know, is in a similar position where they have two first round draft picks. they're kind of settled at quarterback and so like the draft like the draft could go any direction for them and yeah that's jalen carter would be a guy that would that would you know he's i think he would fit in almost any system he's that type of player and the seahawks have been desperate for interior defensive line help for the last couple of years now they've been kind of pieceworking their way through in the middle and this would kind of solidify that position if they wanted it yeah i think

that's the spots they'll be the eagles will be watching it's the sea hawks at five and the lines at six if he doesn't get picked at those two spots i think that's where they start to be like all right we just basically have to jump the bears at this point and jeline carters he's plus 250 to be a top five pick so there's there is some value there to you know again go and grab that and you know look out for like i said the seahawks to grab him at pick five the you know like you said two or pick three is seems to be really up for grabs for anybody who wants to go up and get it not that i think that like any i don't think anybody's jumping up to three to grab carter but it will pull it most likely will potentially pull off another quarterback or at least

one of those that like will anderson or tyree wilson whoever you know ends up going first i still think it's going to be will anderson that goes before tyree wilson but you know it leaves an opening for Carter to jump into the top five because he, I mean, he's pretty consensus on a lot of people that he's the number one prospect in the NFL draft this year. Yeah, I was going to say, do you think there's any shot that he's the first non-QB off the board? Like, for him to go in the top five, the odds say that at least one of Will Anderson or Tyre Wilson would have to be off the board, if not both. And I think it's,

I think there's a chance. Again, it's like if we didn't have the, if what happened at his pro day didn't happen, I think that there's not even a question. Like, I know that Edge obviously has more value in the terms of team building and all of that. But,

you know, when you have a guy that's as good as he is, you almost have to just like go, like go and get him. Put him in your team and just, figure it out from there. I think a lot of the doesn't try hard on plays, doesn't, you know, doesn't love football, all that narrative that seems to be kind of floating around him. I think it's kind of a little bit of BS. I think that, you know, he got into a sticky situation this year,

which, you know, was unfortunate for everyone involved. But I still think that like when teams, when it comes down to it, teams have done their work. And I think that there's definitely a good chance that, you know, somebody in the top five looks at it and says, we're not going to get a better player than this. We need to just take him and run with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's tricky. Yeah, that what happens with those first four picks is big for him because, yeah, he's definitely got the talent and maybe some team is willing to overlook all the red flags, if they are even, I mean, who knows how that all end up shaking out. Right, right. All right. Yeah. Yeah. What about jumping to, like, on the offense, any running back props?

I know Bijan is pretty much, like, he's the first running back overall. But are there any team or running back props that you're looking at or potentially going to dive in on? I hate to say this, and I'm starting to get a little nervous. The Eagles might do it. But Bejohn at plus a thousand to the Eagles. I'm still like, there's no way they're doing it. But when, like, Daniel Jeremiah, he used to work for the Eagles. He's, he's been saying he thinks the Eagles view Bijan differently than other than what, you know, how they viewed running backs as a whole over the past few years.

And I'm starting to get, starting to make me a little nervous. Starting to make me a little nervous for, you know, our friend Joe Dillon here at the company for his claim that he would jump off the room. The company discord the last couple days has been, at least with Joe, has been a little bit in shit. handles every time that any type of report or any type of like point to the eagles taking him he's he's going through it i think that who knows this this next week might be the most stressful week for him having to sit and watch all of that speculation continue to grow a hero for the eagles to take be jean yeah so apparently in their in their pre-draft visit with him he how he asked him you know what you know why why should we draft you at 10 and bjohn's answer was you're not getting just a running back you're

getting a difference maker. That's a big statement. Yeah, it is. Scott Barrett put out the highest yards per target metric for. He was like top five. With other receivers out there. Yeah, he was at like 10.4 yards per target. And that was top five up there with like Jackson Smith and jigbud and some guys like that.

And so like the. the precedent is there that like a guy like this kind of transcends a little bit of the newer thinking of what what value running backs have. I mean, he definitely falls more into the like Christian McCaffrey, Sequin Barclay camp than he does just the top running back in the draft. Yeah, I mean, it would be awesome to watch him in an offense with Hertz. Jay Brown, Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard, and he probably easily would rush for a thousand yards behind the Eagles O line. But you just can't, you just can't make him the like sixth or seventh highest paid running back from the day he's drafted. Like the outcome, so you basically need him to to be the, what, the, like your margin for error is just so small. Like not only do you need it to be a hit, but you need it to be like a slam dunk.

Yeah. that and like the eagles i mean they've been trotting out this a wide cast of characters at running back for you know in the last couple years and it's kind of shown that put anyone back there behind that offensive line and you're going to get some you're going to get value out of them and they just signed rashad penny a guy who if healthy i mean he could he could absolutely explode behind that offensive line yeah exactly What about some O-line props? This one's pretty up in the air, I think, still.

I don't think we know for sure what teams want to do with their, you know, how they view all these O-line guys. Paris Johnson, Peter Skronsky, seem like the favorites to go off the board first, but there's not a clear favorite between them. I kind of like Darnell Wright is actually has longer odds to go be the second O-Linman off the board than he does to be the first one, which I find interesting. interesting. I could see one of Paris Johnson or Peter Scrantz going off the board and then Darnell Wright being a guy that teams really like and taking a shot on him. Yeah, I think you're

looking at the Chicago Bears pretty much as like the first team to lean offensive line in this draft. And so it comes down to who they like. And I if going with like the hometown narrative, I mean, I still think they lean Skoransky. I mean, he's plus 140. And I think that on a team that, or he's plus 140 to be the first offensive lineman selected. And I think on a team that is desperate for offensive line help, Skoronsky offers a little bit more versatility as an offensive lineman. As like, you can play it, like, just put him in and get him playing kind of thing.

I think that I think I like him like him. at plus 140 to be the first offensive lineman selected as opposed to Paris Johnson. But that's a great call on Darnell Wright as a second offensive lineman selected. I think that the tape for him and like what he did against some of the best defenses in the NCAA, I think that could hold some water for some teams, you know, having gone up against Will Anderson and done really well against him and gone up against Georgia and did really well against Georgia. and obviously those are teams that have two, three guys that are projected to go in the top half of the first round. Yeah.

And then as I say, what about tight end props just to kind of round off a little bit on the offense? I know tight end is an interesting position. It's a fun position this year. There's a lot of different guys that fit a lot of different flavors of teams. Are there any tight end props that. you like right now. I did, I think you called this a while ago, and no, not directly betting it, but you said you thought there'd be more tight ends than wide receivers drafted in the first

round. Yeah. I don't know for sure if that's happening, but I did bet that more than two tight ends, two and a half tight ends would be drafted in the first round. I think Mayor and Kincaid are locks, and I think there's a pretty good chance darn out Washington goes in the first round as well. I think so too. I think Darnell Washington, his ability to be an in-line blocker has a lot of value into what tight ends are right now.

There aren't a lot of guys that can really dive in in line and be an asset on the offensive line. And I think teams will value that ability as well as the upside of his upside as an offensive weapon. I mean, he didn't show it a ton at Georgia. Granted, they have, you know, they're littered with, with weapons on that offense. And so, like, you know, part of it is that he has bowers ahead of him, or he had bowers ahead of him in Georgia. I think that teams are going to like his upside as a weapon as well as his ability to just be an asset on the offensive line right away. Yeah, I, yeah, it's still, it's still going to be tough for only, that would be only two wide receivers. but I mean, I've seen Zayflowers left out of the first round.

I've seen Quentin Johnson left out of the first round in Mox. I've seen Hyatt definitely gets left out a lot at this point. It does seem like Addison and JSN are probably the two that definitely do go. Yeah. And then, yeah, I mean, it's going to be a little bit up in the air for that third one. Yeah, and speaking of Quentin Johnson, I mean, he's, I mean, leading up until about a month ago, a couple weeks ago, he was consistently the, you know, number one wide receiver in the class. And now he has like first wide receiver selected, which I think it leans toward J.S.N.

now, I think that like in the, in the odds show that he's minus 350 to be the first wide receiver selected. But second wide receiver selected, Quentin Johnson's at plus 500. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's surprising to me. He's got just a different build than every other receiver in this class. or among the top guys anyway. Yeah, I mean, every other wide receiver is that short burner, you know, like just a smaller stature guy.

And I think that a lot of, like teams still like the big, tall, run like a deer type guy. And that's what Quinn Johnson offers. If you can get him into an offense that can offer yak opportunities, that's where his value is. And I think that, again, teams might value that over a guy like AdW. Edison and Zay Flowers who, you know, are great players, but it's just the size thing has to be a bit of a concern. I mean, if you're going to want these guys going over the middle, they're, you know, they're 170, 180 pounds soaking wet. Yeah, if you're like the Giants, how can you convince me that Zay Flowers or Addison is the best wide receiver for you?

and you've got Paris Campbell, Wondale, Robinson, Sterling, Shepard, all these guys are best out of the slot. And then you're going to add, say, Flowers or Addison, who are similar. Like, Clinton Johnson is just such a more difference maker for what your team makeup is right now. Right, right. And I feel like you could say that about a lot of the perceived wide receiver teams. Trying to think. So the Vikings, for example. I think Addison also could work for the Vikings, but, you know, Osborne is definitely.

definitely best in the slot. And they use Jefferson in the slot already. Yep. So an outside guy would just be better. I think that's why there's still a chance. A guy like Hyatt is not like totally out of the first round, just because teams want that, you know, Hyatt definitely would be probably good in the slot,

but at least he could also be a burner for you on the outside. Yeah. I don't think NFL teams will ever learn their lesson when it comes to speed, that receiver. Not that Hyatt's going to be like anything like Only a speed guy. Yeah, exactly. Jalen Rager, Darius Hayward Bay was like the poster boy for this. But I think, yeah, like the speed and his just ability to stretch the field, I mean, a team like the Chargers would be a team that like potentially could go after a guy like that.

I mean, we've. They need speed so bad. Yeah, we've talked about it ad nauseum at this. point with the Chargers about how they have nobody to stretch the field and a guy like you know like even Quentin Johnson or Jalen Hyatt is a guy that steps in and kind of offers that ability to stretch the field right away. Yep. Yeah, I mean there's multiple so like teams to draft Quentin Johnson like the charges are at plus 1,400. The Giants are plus 1,000.

The favorite is the Vikings at plus 700. I brought them up earlier. Yeah, the Ravens make sense for him. And yeah, it does seem like one of the, all of those teams should be in the market for more of a guy that can bring some speed element to you, whether it's a guy like Johnson or even faster guy like Hyatt. Yeah. All right. Let's shift to the defensive side of the ball. What is like all of the defense, I mean, we talked about obviously Jalen Carter a little bit, but outside of that, are there any positions or players that you're looking at that?

are jumping out to you as values on the board as like you know an ability to make some money. Yeah. So I bet Devin Witherspoon to be the first cornerback a while ago. He's now the favorite. I think I bet him back when he was like plus 300. It wasn't that I thought for sure that Witherspoon was better and should go before Gonzalez. It was just like I thought they should be close to 50-50. And now they're I mean, I'm curious if it'll get even more spread where Gonzalez, comes more of a favorite where he becomes interesting. Because I personally think teams are pretty split on which one of these guys fits in their defense and whatnot. I think they're both very good. Yeah.

I think it should be basically 50-50 for these guys. So I'll be watching that Gonzalez number to see if it gets, you know, up to plus 200, 250, something like that. Yeah. Yeah, he's sitting right now first quarterback at plus 170. And so that, like you said, that could be shifted in it. at any point because yeah, it's just, it all depends on who takes the cornerback. Right.

Yeah, like would it shock us if, you know, it does seem like the lines like Witherspoon the best, but like would it shock us if Seattle took Gonzalez or the Cardinals didn't, couldn't move from three and took a corner at three? Like it wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world. Right. And I think Gonzalez fits a little bit more in those systems than, you know, than Witherspoon would. Right.

Especially in Seattle. If Seattle went corner, I think Gonzalez would be a perfect fit there. Because one of the big knocks on him is his ability to contribute in the run game as a run defender. And I think that in Seattle, they protect their corners pretty well from having to participate in, you know, blowing up the run at all. And so that's a, like, that's a great call as a team that could potentially go out. They're like, you know, if they don't like Jalen Carter, they're not sold on Jalen Carter and, you know, Will Anderson's there and they're not sold on Tyree Wilson, that's that Christian Gonzalez is going to be right there for him. Is there any teams that you think are sneaky cornerback landing spots? It doesn't have to be, it could be, you know, Joey Porter landing somewhere or, you know, Deontay Banks or something later in the draft.

That, it's all over the place. I do like Joey Porter to go top 20. I still think that he's a guy that hasn't been talked about. I feel like he's gotten just pushed back completely. I mean, I have heard nothing about him. I think he's pretty much always mocked in the 16, 17, 18 range. And it's just like guaranteed. Like people just seem to continue to mock him there with no discussion of him going higher or lower or whatever.

Right. And, you know, like Pittsburgh Steelers are plus 110 to go to go cornerback. I still think at plus money or cornerback, that's at plus money, that's still a good team because they, you know, they brought in Patrick Peterson, but, you know, he's just a filler at this point. Like he's not, you know, the long term starter. And so that's a team that, yeah, plus money you could go and get. And I think that they're a team that needs help in the defensive backfield. is like the Jaguars at plus 120. They're another team that, you know, they actually just had, they just had one of their guys to get in trouble. Legally, it was, I forget, I forget the name of the player, but it's another team that needs help in the defensive backfield. And there are a team that could go and grab corner in a class that has so much depth at the position and has, you know, I mean, we've seen anywhere from five to six cornerbacks mocked in the first. round. Yep. Yeah, I think there's going to be good landing spots for corners that, you know, we're not totally, that don't seem totally obvious right now. Yeah, like the Giants at plus 200 to go corner. That's why I was just, I was just looking at that one. Teams first drafted player,

giants are at plus 200 for a cornerback. I mean, it does seem like wide receiver, but like they did add a ton of wide receivers in free agency. We're really just, they added Paris Campbell and then you got Juan Dale and Slayton came back. Shepherds coming back. Like they could pass on wide receiver in the first round and go corner. Yeah, exactly. If they don't if they're not in love with anybody

up there, corner is probably the safe, you know, safer, as safe as it can be in the NFL draft. This is a safer position where you can get a guy that's ready to contribute right away. And we kind of talked about it earlier.

Not a lot of those guys, not a lot of the receivers that are, you know, slated to be taken potentially in the first round, even fit into the Giants system right now. Right. Yeah. I think Tampa Bay is another interesting one in a scenario where a Gonzalez does fall, like Witherspoon goes early and Gonzalez just doesn't quite find a match in the first, you know, the top 10.

Yeah. Tampa Bay is like plus 700. They just need bodies, you know, they just need good players. So that would be a nice landing spot for them. Yeah. Another one that I think is fun. I mean, just I'm just searching around, but the Packers to select a tight end with their first pick.

Is that plus money? Plus 250. They're actually the shortest odds is defensive linemen at plus 150 for them. That's surprising because I feel like I almost always see them marked a tight end. Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to go and take a look at it just because, like I said, it feels like tight end is the, you know, potential home run position of what they'll go to.

And I'm trying to think of what D-Lyman, they would really be interested in in that range. Like, I haven't seen many, so we think Carter, Anderson, Wilson will be off the board. Yeah. And then Nolan Smith, maybe. And then there's kind of like a gap in D-Lyman, Edgetown until you get to like the back half of the draft,

I feel like. yeah yeah that's interesting yeah i mean because then you get into like i don't know van s murphy oh van s i did forget murphy i guess what is is an option potentially for them like those are really the other two because you know will macdonald has some long odds he's a guy that could potentially sneak into the first round i think i who i saw someone on twitter i can't fully remember i'd have to go back and pull it up. But like someone asked the question like why isn't Will McDonald even being talked about as like edge two. Yeah. And that was from like I wish I could remember who it was. But like he's another guy that could sneak up there and potentially make a play in the first round as a defensive

lineman. But again, it like Van S. Murphy, McDonald, a lot of these guys, they have their question marks, whether it's age, whether it's production. I mean, Van Ess, it's being totally green and not even starting last year. I mean, again, tight end is a position where there are two to three guys that are very firmly the top guys and are very firmly being regarded as guys that can come in and contribute right away. And the Packers are a team that I think it'll be interesting to see what they think of themselves this year, but they're a team that I think is still going to.

to just go out and play as if they're competing. I think they're sold on Jordan Love as a player going forward. And, you know, they're going to do what they never did for Aaron Rogers. And that's potentially get Jordan Love a weapon, which I think would be a hilarious slap in the face to Aaron Rogers through that, unfortunately, because for, like, I mean, he's not traded yet. But all signs point to him not playing in Green Bay. And it'd be really funny for them to go and get him a weapon right away. get Jordan Love a weapon right away in the first round as opposed to have never done it with Aaron Rogers. Yeah, they, that would be funny if they did draft a receiver or in a tight end.

I am. I definitely do like them potentially taking a Kincaid or Michael Mayer at that spot in the first round. Yeah, and I think Kincaid fits what that team likes, what the Green Bay Packers like at tight end. Yes, yeah. an athletic guy that can kind of stretch the field, you know, they still, they do still have Mercedes-Lewis, right? Yeah. And isn't Tanyan still there as well? Yeah.

And so those are guys that can contribute in the run game. So I don't think they need, like Mercedes-Lewis is their, you know, sixth offensive lineman at this point. I think that they don't necessarily need a guy that can jump in in line and be that much of an asset. I think Kincade is, you know, more of a weapon with the ball. and that's a, you know, a player that they could lean toward and take, which like I said, Kincaid would be plus, is plus 120 to be the first tight end selected.

So again, plus money there for a position in a team that, you know, it looks like he could be a fit there. Yep. Yeah, I agree with all that. What do you, what do you think about linebacker?

Do you think one goes in the first round? Or do you think we're waiting for Jack Campbell, Drew Sanders on day two? I don't think there's any way a linebacker sneaks into the first round. I don't know. The bills, they've been taught. The bills have been, sounds like the bills might be interested in one, which I think I'm just totally out on the bills if they do that because we've talked numerous times

about their team building philosophy. Yeah. I, that, like, and it, off ball linebacker, it's just, it's the, we've talked about it, you know, repetitively. It's the running back. of the defense. It's a guy that like just get someone in there that isn't a minus. And, you know, there's a lot of guys that you can, you know, back end of the draft, third, fourth, mid-rounds. Like, you can take flyers. I mean, you've seen guys that have been taken in those positions who have

come up and, you know, been contributors on a lot of defenses. Like, why, I'd like, I think that, you know, there's some interesting guys at linebacker in this draft, but none that I think are worth. the jumping up into the first round. Yeah, I don't see another team other than the bills that really would take that jump in the back half of the first round. But they have definitely, there's definitely been smoke about them being interested in a linebacker potentially. And I just think that would be such a terrible move for a team that just keeps losing to

offensive firepower in these aFC championship games right and they are plus 250 right now for a linebacker to be their first player selected so again there's plus money there defensive linemen is just ahead just ahead for them at plus 200 and so like you said I mean the board is showing that they could be deciding between the two

yeah all right any uh pretty much walk through every position. There's not much in terms of like a day two option bets other than some of these some of the running. I think Jemir Gibbs you can bet where he would land. I feel do you think Gibbs has any shot of going on day one? I think there's I mean there's a chance I think with the cowboys. I think we've heard a little bit of smoke with that and the cowboys are going to do what the Cowboys are going to do. And, you know, I don't, like what they've said, and they pointed to that they don't want to just ride Tony Pollard.

And Jerry Jones loves himself a good running back. And so I think, like, there absolutely is a chance at, you know, 26 that the Cowboys, and, you know, we've talked about that the back end of the draft is kind of up in the air. There aren't a ton of first round prospects. And it really, once you get to the back end of the draft, and it really, once you get to the back end of the draft it kind of gets to you know where do you who do you like the most it's not necessarily they're the best player available it's going to be a little bit you know up in the air on who's the best player available and I think that the Cowboys at plus 900 just like Jemir Gibbs

he's a guy that fits what they do and fits what they like in a running back all right here's the scenario Bijan is still on the board at 26 and all the tight ends are still on the board at 26. Which position do the Cowboys draft? I think they would go tight end. Really? They'd pass on Bijan. I think they'd, yeah, I still think they'd go tight end. I just don't trust the Cowboys to make the right decision in the draft.

I think tight end's the right decision over a running back. I know, especially the problem with Gibbs is he's so similar. to Pollard. Like, at least Zeke was, you know, like different. And Bejohn would be different. I don't know if Bejohn makes it all the way to 26. But yeah, I know I've heard that the, the Cowboys don't want to let, like, if Mayor slips to them at 26, like, he wouldn't fall any farther than that.

Right, right. I have to imagine Kincaid would also fall into that bucket, but I don't know for sure. Yeah, I would imagine. I like Kincaid's the one that I would be looking at as the Cowboys potentially selecting. I think that that's one of those draft, like those fits that you just see and it just like makes so much sense. Right. I think like especially after losing Dalton Schultz, I think that and they don't, you know, they've taken it. They've used a couple draft picks, but they've been mid-round picks on guys that are on the roster right now.

Yeah, they're good role players. Yeah. Right. Kincaid would be the guy to jump in and be, you know, take over that. and the shoulder slot right away. Yep. Yeah, it's a big part of their offense. So I definitely do hope they add a more talented tight end than what they currently have

on the roster. Let's go back to quarterback real quick because we didn't really talk about him. What do you think about either over four and a half QBs to go in the first round slash Hen and Hooker landing spot? That is one that I cannot make my mind up on. My gut leans that he's not taken in the first. Really? The more and more I think about it, my gut says he's not taken in the first.

I think the age thing is going to scare teams off enough. See, I think I'm leaning towards yes because like you said a couple times, there's not a lot of first round grades in this class. Yeah. So when you get to like the Vikings at 23, like, and they're sitting there going, all our first round graded guys are off the board. We're kind of into that next tier. Do we just take a quarterback? I mean, it depends how much they like him.

But if they like him, why not take him there instead of some other positional guy that you have a day two grade on anyway? And Vikings quarterbacks, the third shortest odds for them for their first drafted player. It's plus 400 right now. Yeah, they're plus 350 to draft Hooker. The next closest team is the Seahawks at plus 900. That's a pretty big gap. The betting markets do seem pretty interested in saying Hooker,

we think Hooker is most likely to land in Minnesota. Yeah, so do you think potentially that like Seattle at 20 Minnesota at 23 is that where you think Hendon Hooker goes? What do you think about the Lions at 18? It's another interesting one. pass on a quarterback at six, I just, it's one, I fall back on that, like you said at the beginning of the show, like if you have a guy that you like, you take him at the top. So if they liked hooker enough, you think that you take him at six?

No, I think that if they're going to take a quarterback, they'd take one of the, like, probably one of the top four guys that they really like. I don't know if they, I don't know if they'd sit back and at 18, because I don't think there's really a threat to lose him. You know, I don't think that. Yeah, and I don't, like, it just wouldn't make sense, in my, in my opinion, for them to go hooker at 18 when there's going to be a lot of guys that can contribute on the defensive side of the ball. And I don't know, I think if they're going to go quarterback, it's going to be six. And I don't think that hooker's going at six.

Yeah, no, I would be surprised by that. that was they were just a team that was interesting at plus 1100 that's kind of in that back range that could be interested in a qb there's not i mean other than the vikings i guess the seahawks could what they have 20 so it makes sense yeah they're a big 20 potentially interested in that range uh what about like the saints at plus 1500 i think is kind of interesting at 29 like i don't I don't know how much they believe like Derek Carr is, you know, a long-term answer. Yeah. Oh, but like you said, Hooker's older.

Like, you have to have a soonish time horizon if you're drafting him of when he could be your starter. If you're drafted the first round. Right. Like if he's, if you're taking him, you're taking him with the idea that I think that he's starting probably, you know, not necessarily this season, but probably next season. Because at that point, at that point he'll be, what, what, 20. six right yeah so not that age is the biggest thing for kb's but it's definitely you know he's definitely is older right and you know for the more athletic quarterbacks you've seen kind of a shorter lifespan on them and so yeah like i agree that age is not as critical at quarterback because guys can

guys can kind of develop their game especially like the athletic guys that maybe use their legs a little bit more, they start to, you know, refine their passing chops and, you know, their arm becomes more of a weapon than their legs. But I mean, at 26 and the mileage that he has on him, it's, you know, he needs to be a guy that you feel confident that he's going to step in pretty soon. Because, you know, second contract comes around. He's already close. He's already almost 30. If you pick up his fifth your option he is 30 yep yeah that's yeah i don't see so it does seem like minnesota seattle or like his two potential first round landing spots and i don't i don't really feel strongly about any of the other ones yeah yeah i mean plus 1100 to the lions it would

be interesting like again it's a draft that could go in so many different directions i like can't emphasize it enough and you never know they you know they you know know, Jared Goff is there kind of holding the spot. It's, you know, you've heard they love him. But, you know, Hooker's a guy that even if you take a chance on him and if he doesn't work out, you had two first round draft picks. And you're hoping that the team infrastructure is great. And, you know, maybe he becomes a bust.

But if you're able to develop him and turn him into, you know, one of the top two, three quarterbacks out of this draft. The value's there at 18. Yeah. All right. I got one last one that I think is interesting and just interesting for how the draft could play out as a whole. I feel like we've heard all kinds of things about the Titans

and what they want to do. Then potentially trading up. So the offensive line is minus 115 for their first position, which I think makes sense. Yeah. What do you think happens? Like, I don't, we don't know if they like, all the O-Line men, maybe they only like two of them.

Let's say the guys they like are off the board or they try to trade it. Like, what do you think the Titans do in this track? Because they feel like a pretty pivotal piece to how the top 10 could lay out, especially if they are really trying to trade up like we've heard they are. Yeah, I think the trading up has a lot of merit to it. I mean, Tanna Hill's getting older. and Vrabel's shown time and time again that his team's never going to take.

You know, like, they like, because that's the big issue is, if you don't take a quarterback this year, if you're a quarterback needy team, you're gunning to get there next year. But there are some, there are a couple of teams out there that are pretty short on talent

and it's looking like it could be a long year for them. Do you, like, does Tennessee trust themselves to be, the, you know, one of the top picks next year. And like I said, I don't think Vrable's ever going to let that happen. I like the Titans to trade up and take a quarterback.

And it's plus 115 for them to take a quarterback as their first player. And I think it makes a ton of sense because they're another team that fits in with, you know, Detroit and Seattle as, you know, teams that have a guy there who can play this year, who can be a decent quarterback this year,

and then let the guy develop behind him. Yep. Yeah, I think they're really interesting. I mean, them making a trade-up would really, I feel like, throw the top end to top 10 all out of whack. And, you know, that's really where the draft starts to go off the rails of what people expect to happen. Right.

do you um because like the i feel like the draft it starts at you know we've got carolina quarterback houston could go but like Arizona's that spot where anything could happen yeah i don't think Arizona wants to make a pick at three i i think they want to get out yeah that's not and like they're even a team that like what if you know let's say you've got a couple teams vying for one of the quarterbacks. And let's say like Indianapolis jumps up from three to four. And then, you know, like Tennessee wants to jump up and get like one of those guys and they jump up to four.

And now Arizona's, you know, diving back twice. Like I think that's a real possibility. Because like you said, Arizona is in such a weird spot with their team, having Kyler at quarterback and having paid him. But just needing anybody, anybody that can come in and contribute. And I think that their best bet is to just accumulate draft pigs as much as they can, give themselves as many swings at the plate as they can. And I think they're going to take any and all opportunities to move back and just potentially have six, you know, five, six picks in that, you know, back end to the, you know, back into the first round to or mid first round to the, you know, 100 spot. Like they're going to want as many swings at that as they can.

And I think that, like you said, with the quarterbacks that are there, there is a potential for, like, Indy to want to jump someone and move up to three. There's a chance that Tennessee wants to move up. And even Las Vegas could potentially move up. Like, there's a lot of teams that could try and position themselves in Arizona's in the perfect spot to kind of get out of there. Yeah, if they're, if they get a call from Tennessee and all they ought to do is say, hey, Colts, your division mate offered us this to go here. Right. What are you going to do about it?

And if they like a guy, they're not going to let their division rival just jump up, jump ahead of them if they, if they can. So yeah, maybe, you know, yeah, maybe they do get the cults to bite and jump to three. And then then they go back to saying, say, hey, would have you want four? Because we got the Seahawks behind us, the lines behind us, the raiders behind. Right. And then, yeah, that's how it could play out. Yeah, I mean, overall, it's just, I can't. I'm so excited.

I'm actually looking at Tankathon and they've got the like official countdown down to the seconds and it's six days, nine hours. And it's exciting. I'm excited to like you said, get more talking points, get guys in position so he can really start, you know,

grinding fits and looking at, you know, fantasy value and just, you know, team fit values and start projecting, you know, where teams are going to finish this year. It's, we're reaching the point where it's,

you know, we're at least going to get another month and a half, two months of runway to get us, you know, leading up to training camp the draft. Like, we're ready for it. Yep.

Yeah, with that said, fantasy do tune in to the fantasy points of YouTube. Next Thursday, Brett and Scott Barrett are going to be live streaming through the whole first round. They're going to have various guests on throughout the night. Yep.

I have not heard about day two yet, but we might try to do something as well for that night. So, yeah, the draft and pretty much all kinds of ways and yeah just be sure you're tuning in yeah and especially if you want to tune in and listen to brett and scott really get into it between each other about who they like and who they don't because they're both very very strong-headed guys that like that you know they stand pat on their guys and so i think you'll get a lot of fun discourse and

like you said a lot of it'll be a rotat rotating cast of characters that are going to hop in and contribute throughout the first round and you'll get a lot of a lot of different insights into you know different you know different thought processes different guys that back different teams it'll be fun to you know kind of what it'll be fun to watch that and just get an idea of what you know an early look at like what they think of guys at certain positions and guys on certain teams yep my my one lock draft prediction is we get to no later than pick two before brett is yelling at Scott about to watch the film on somebody that Scott says sucks or something. Yeah, I think.

I mean, shoot, we could give. I mean, pick one. Who knows? You know, all it takes is Carolina to throw a curveball at us and not go Bryce Young. And all of a sudden that it's going to take off. Yeah. All right. I think that wraps up this episode then.

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