Fantasy Football Daily - The One Player I Refuse to Draft in Every Round This Year - 2026 Fantasy Football Landmines & Fades!

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Fantasy Football Daily is back, and I have a banger episode lined up. It is with my guy. We're two bars back at it again. My guy, Mr. CEO, Scott Barrett. And the reason I brought Scott on for this is he's a generational hater. Everybody who's listened to Scott knows he is not afraid to be pessimistic on your favorite players. And that's why he's on the show today. This is going to be one player I refuse to draft in every single round.
Starting point is 00:00:27 We're going to go alternating, go round through round one through 10. And Scott is going to hate on all of your favorite picks and players and tell you why you're completely wrong for drafting these guys. One for the money, two bars on the show. The boys stay ready, swamp rats, let's go. Yeah, I have to say I love hating. I am a great hater. And it's important to be a hater when you're a fantasy analyst. I hate these fantasy analysts who just like every guy.
Starting point is 00:01:00 Like that does you no good. You can't draft everyone. Unless of course you're one of these best ball freaks, but that's not me. And yeah, I love just kind of shitting on players. I don't think are good. I don't think are good draft picks. And you could maybe steal some of my bits and make fun of your your best friend who's in your league mate when he drafts a guy who stinks.
Starting point is 00:01:20 So yeah, this is going to be really fun. I have to say it was also easy. like honestly like i hate most players like i you're like hey i need a guy in each round and i think i gave you six in each round like i i i hate everyone who isn't one of my exodia's in which case i love them but everyone that's the thing is like there's there's like only 12 players that actually matter in any given season if you understand power law outcomes and there's also like only like 12 guys i really like and then the rest i i worse than indifference i i there's some guys i straight up hate Graham? Yeah, Scott, you are not like, oh, I got to get 8% of every player, equal shares of every player.
Starting point is 00:02:01 I love that about you because you're willing to go all in on the players that you love. And you're just right. I mean, there's just not enough good, nuanced discussion about players to fade in fantasy football. And that's what this is going to be all about today. Fantasy football daily, we are here all season long, all off season. We're going to be crushing this YouTube and, you know, cursing the pod feed as well. already subscribe to fantasy points.com. Use code fantasy, just one word fantasy. Get yourself 10% off. Scott's draft plan article will come out early August, maybe late July, early August. You can get his Exodia plays and get yourself 10% off a subscription as you plan for that. Let's get started here,
Starting point is 00:02:44 Scott. We're going to go rounds 1 through 10, starting with the most important round 1. And I gave you the 101. Who is the first player that you hate to draft in round 1? Listen, there's no bad picks in round one because like that's those are all the best players but uh jsn mid round one is is i think i think wrong um you know i would have certainly cmc above him like easily i would have am and ross same brown above them i think one or two other guys as well so just the price on that is a bit high for me i think rich rebar put it perfectly when he said he's this year's saquan barcly he just like overachieved to such an insane degree and like there's a massive regression to the mean incoming i i have this crazy stat uh he just had the best yards per team past attempt season
Starting point is 00:03:29 by a wide receiver since lance allworth in 1965 shout out to bamby one of the all-time greats but for for clarity in 1965 i think that was like like five years before beach boys released uh their their famous pet sounds before the a afl merged with the interstate yeah dude it's like this is like my great grandparents were teenagers i I don't know. So yeah, it's just like that's not going to happen again. The Seahawks ran hotter than the sun, in part because of the heavy personnel thing and teams just stupidly matching with base defense, which isn't going to happen again. Also, Rashid Shaheed joined the team midseason. He's really good. Like, I've always been a Rashid Shaheed truther. I think he's more involved
Starting point is 00:04:13 this year. Tori Horton popped by ass and a number of other metrics. So it's just, It's just the price I don't really like. You know, you have to, you have to pick one of these guys in round one. And for me, it's JSN going, you know, fifth overall in some spots. I think that's too high. So I'm with you. I prefer Amun Rae straight up over JASN. I'm going to have him ranked ahead of Jason in my shoes.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Actually, can I tell you something, Graham? Sure. Yeah. I'm immediately regretting this. You know who, honestly, it should be. Yeah. You know who it should be. And this is a spicier take.
Starting point is 00:04:46 Should be Justin Jefferson. Mm. Dude, he sucked ass last year. He was like colossally bad. He was so bad in a way that I didn't think was ever possible. He showed us that he has a floor that like literally no one else in round one or round two had. From week 10 into the end of the fantasy season. So final nine games, he averaged 8.6 fantasy points per game.
Starting point is 00:05:13 That ranked 46th. That was tied with Theo Weiss. I was barely ahead of Chimir D.K. Like probably 50% of our listeners don't know who that is. Yeah. And so it's like, so it's like J.J. McCarthy is the starter. Like this could be apocalypticly bad. And then even if it's Kyler Murray, it's, it's not like he's been a very wide receiver friendly throughout his career either.
Starting point is 00:05:37 He's only had one wide receiver ever finish top 24 at the position and total fantasy points. So, yeah, there's just some, there's, there's plenty of players I like more. There's a ton of risk there. Like I said, I I'm a generational hater. The the Dave Chappelle skit players hater ball was was based off of me. If you guys didn't know that, Dave and I go way back. But I did I could give you I could give you 15 guys in every round I hate so. That would have been my pick. If I gave myself a round one pick, it would have been Jefferson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is because the floor is so much lower. Like I'm with you like you were saying, you know, Kyler still got top 12 upside, but it's not really because he's a good passer. It's because he's
Starting point is 00:06:13 right runner. You know, Kyler's never been you know, you know, in terms of his yardage production, he's never been close to even Sam Darnold's best season. His career high in yards per game, Scott, was the 2021 season where New, I think it was like wide receiver six or seven. He had 270 yards per game that year. He's never been above 250 in any other year. His career averages like 230. This is just, you know, it's an upgrade over McCarthy, but everybody would be an upgrade over McCarthy. McCarthy was third worst and catchable throw rate last year.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Only Scheder Sanders and Michael Pennix were better. So yeah, sure, it's just a whole lot easier. to be better but that would have been my pick as well i think jefferson still has top five ceiling just because he's that good at the game but his floor is significantly lower than jason and there you go there's dave chapelle scott dressed up as dave chapelle i should say hey hey hey oh man that is great yeah so by the way um brett brett was like saw major red flags with jefferson's film like and maybe he just kind of like just separation score from two thousand twenty three down to this this past year, it's just regressed each year. I mean, it's not been good. Here's a crazy stat.
Starting point is 00:07:21 The Vikings were better with him off the field than on the field last year. Their EPA per play was worse with him on the, which like should never happen for a star player. Like even like if he's not doing great as a pass catcher, like he's dictating coverage. And yeah, there's just like a bunch of red flags there. Maybe he was just mentally checked out, which, you know, happens. Devante Adams with the Raiders for a spell. But yeah, just, just, that's not a guy I'm taking round one. Yeah, there's some truth in the middle. I'm with you on Jefferson.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I have been very, very cautious with him. I'm not like super stoked to draft like a lot of the guys in the back end of the first round. Like Ashen Genti kind of scares me as well. But I think there's like, you know, legitimate league winning upside there with him where I don't know if I see that with Jefferson. Like Jainty could lead all running backs. What does surprise you of Gentile led all running backs and snap rate this here, Scott? like it wouldn't surprise me at all but i mean we're talking about him next to to jefferson who who
Starting point is 00:08:17 showed us a floor of 8.6 fantasy points per game across like a full half season like and jenzi busted last year but he was like rb 17 in points per game exactly like he does not but it wasn't that bad he does not have that floor like his floor is so much higher in a worst possible scenario last year still way above that yeah worst possible scenario terrible quarterback play colt miller got hurt off worst offensive line in a decade just like just like it just like like terrible play caller as well. Clint Kubiak is just so much better. Yeah, we're lockstep on Jefferson. I just, I have not been able to be super enthusiastic as well. I'm also not enthusiastic at all about a rookie running back in the second round is Jeremiah Love. I think he's an awesome prospect.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Let's just make that very clear. Love awesome prospect, you know, has the clear three down potential. Some people have compared him, though, to like Jemir Gibbs. And I just straight up think Gibbs was a significantly better prospect. And he also went to a significantly better situation. Scott, the Cardinals are 31st in implied points per game. Only the Jets have a lower implied point per game total. It's by three-tenths of a point. Cardinals have the worst, the hardest strength of schedule by Vegas win totals. They have basically their average opponent win total is 9.3. The second, you know, hardest schedule is the dolphins at 9.1. Jeremiah Love is going to eventually have some top 12 fantasy football seasons, but I don't think it'll be this year. I don't think I can get there in the
Starting point is 00:09:41 second round. You look at our projections. We straight up prefer Breece Hall, who goes, you know, five, six picks later and is arguably in a similar situation and a worse offense. We prefer Josh Jacobs, who's, of course, getting a little bit of the off-the-field discount, you know, starting to slip in drafts a little bit towards that three-four turn. But we have Jacobs ahead of Jeremiah Love, and it's just like you've got a bad offense with a potentially bad quarterback situation and Tyler Algear might steal a fuel goal on carries here and there, Scott. I'm just completely, I'm completely out on love. Yeah, I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I think this is a great call. I happen to fully agree. It's a bad offense, which really matters. It's a bad team with bad game script, which really matters. It's a rookie running back where we kind of always over-project touches and SnapShare, or at least it happens a lot. Like Jonathan Taylor, it took, like, who was it? Um, Marlon Mack.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Marlon Mack tearing his AC and even then it, I think it took until like week eight for him to get 15 touches. It was, uh, jk. Dobbins his rookie year. It was, I know this, this happens more than you think. Um, and then. Jumear Gibbs. We, I just mentioned Jemir Gibbs. I mean, Dave in Montgomery was getting 50% of the snaps half of the season there.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Exactly. And like, it was obvious to everyone. Jameer Gibbs is like special special. Um, and so that just happens. Um, also like, uh, rookie running backs tend to, struggle more than people think like levy on bell Christian McCaffrey David Montgomery maybe even Lodenian Tomlinson all had rough rookie season by efficiency then turn it on the sophomore year and then it's really difficult touch competition in that backfield like this is uh
Starting point is 00:11:24 Arizona is spending the most money on running backs of any team which is like so stupid for a team as as as bad as they are with the the roster they have but um yeah Tyler Algear you know forced a committee with Bijon Robinson, who might be the best running back in football. Trey Benson looked incredible at Florida State. And then I'm the world's biggest James Connor Truther. I think if he went to the Vikings tomorrow, which is where I think he's going to go, I think he would be like a fantasy RB2 mid range, maybe even high end fantasy RB2. Over the last three seasons, here's a stat for you.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Should be up on the screen. Leads all running backs and miss tackles force per touch, yards after contact per attempt, and explosive play rate. the last three seasons absolutely insane i know he's injury prone i know he's old i don't care the guy is good uh and so add it all up it's like what are we doing in round two he should be more of a third round pick if we're taking bris hall in the middle of the third round that's around the spot where jeremiah love should be going and arguably i think bruce hall might have a better role this season than jeremiah love i'm just out i just can't do it give me pretty much all the receivers in
Starting point is 00:12:31 that pocket a j brown drake london i much prefer brock bowie bowie barrow is just like a hammer league winner this year. And I prefer straight up a few of the running backs that are going in the third round over love this season. I'm sure we're eventually going to be really high on love. At some point, we're going to love love. But it is not this year. One more running back I absolutely hate in the first three rounds
Starting point is 00:12:53 is Travis E.TN. I just can't do it, man. You look at the stats over the last couple of years. Alvin Camara, even like end of career, at the end of his age apex, Alvin Camara has been more efficient, forced more mistackles, been better than ETA. And it's been a worse situation. You could argue that the Saints not, you know, until like last year, basically,
Starting point is 00:13:15 have had a worse offensive line. I'm just completely out on this price in the third round, Scott. You look at, you know, I think Kamara really doesn't change the projection if he's on the roster or off the roster to me. But this is a guy who's not been very efficient on the ground in his career. He's also been an overrated pass catcher. I think he kind of got miscast as like a good pass catcher coming out of college. He's never really been more than just like a dump and run kind of guy or a screen guy.
Starting point is 00:13:41 I know we're in on the Saints offense. We're in on Kellynne Moore big time this year. This is one of the single most mispriced players on the board. For us, we prefer Giovante Williams straight up. I think if Cam Scadaboo, like we get really good health reports, I would prefer Scataboo straight up. I might even prefer Kyron Williams, even in a split with Blake Quorum because that offense is going to be really good. Bro, I'm just out. I'm out completely.
Starting point is 00:14:03 I will have a 0.0 of ATM this year. Yeah, I'm with you. I think he might be one of the worst, you know, picks at cost in all of drafts. At least until Alvin Kamara retired. Like if Alvin Kamara got traded or retired tomorrow, I'd be more into it. But right now, no, that scares the crap to me.
Starting point is 00:14:20 I also don't think he's good. Like, I think the Saints, like, dramatically overpaid. Alvin Kamaro has been awful the last three years. In his defense, he's been like really, really hurt. dealing with a ton of injuries. And whenever he's been healthy, he's been like a 5.5 yards per carry guy. Granted, it was like four years ago.
Starting point is 00:14:37 But, you know, even a dusty, washed, Alvin Kumar is still probably a better pass catcher than Etienne anyway. But just looking on the ground among 40 running backs of the last three seasons, it was up on the screen a second ago. Travis Etienne, third worst in yards per carry, bottom 10 in explosive run rate, third worst in success rate, bottom 10 in yards after contact per attempt. second worst in EPA per run. Dude, he kind of stinks.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Like, what are we doing here? And, you know, I like Callan Moore, but it's just, it's a guy who's not good. I think I'm skeptical he gets the high value target touches. He wrestles those fully away from Alvin Kamara, who's also like a locker room guy and like sort of pseudo mascot of the team that everyone loves, the players, the fans. So yeah, I think he's also I'm not calling I'm not his name is Travis Etienne. What are we doing? You don't get to change your name halfway through your career.
Starting point is 00:15:38 It like if he finishes as a fantasy RB1 this year, I'll call him Travis Etchen. But until then, no, you're Travis Etienne. That's like that's like a gardener Minshew halfway through his career is like, it's actually pronounced Mahomes, Gardner Mahomes. Dude, you're, you're stealing Devon A chance Valor. Devon A chance. It's so much better than Atienne. So yeah, from now on, this is Travis Etienne.
Starting point is 00:16:04 This is like the Robbie chose an Anderson thing. We're not doing it. We're not getting on board. And we're not drafting you in round three. That's stupid. That's bad. Yeah, it's legitimately a bad pick. You know, Saints were, you mentioned the past catching role.
Starting point is 00:16:17 If Camara is back, I mean, it's definitely, I think that's the main factors. Camara plays on passing downs. Maybe he steals a few early down carries. But last year, I mean, the Saints were middle of the pack and running back receptions. You know, look through Kellynne Moore's history. He's never really been a play caller who schemes up a punch of receptions for his running backs. Even back with the Eagles, you know, a couple years ago.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Never really. That was a little bit of a Jalen Hertz thing. But, I mean, the Eagles that year were like fifth or fourth fewest in running back receptions two years ago. I'm just completely out. Scott, back over to you. Who are you fading in the fourth round here? I'm sorry, Ryan Heath. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:16:54 I'm fading. Sorry. Mockonkey. And let me like, you know, in in Ryan's defense, like he is the perfect Scott Barrett apprentice, like just so amazing. He understands upside wins championships. And like here's the upside for Ladd McConkey is people forget how amazing he was in the second half of his rookie season.
Starting point is 00:17:16 I'm pulling this up on the screen. He averaged 20.7 fantasy points per game, the 26% target share, 106.8 yards per game. in the second half of his rookie season. That was the best by any rookie wide receiver all time. And that's like a super predictive stat is anything, you know, rookie season yards per route run, et cetera. But that was better than Puka, better than Jamar Chase, better than Amman Ra, better than Malik neighbors.
Starting point is 00:17:42 And so like the upside, I totally get it. And a Mike McDaniel offense, Justin Herbert's the quarterback. He's probably the most talented wide receiver on the team. But again, it's like Justin Jefferson, like, dude, he was so bad last year. And like the price where he's going, like again, I don't really hate these guys. It's just there's wide receivers in that range. I like more. So I have to hate them because I don't want to draft all of them.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Right. And so last year was just so completely when all three chargers, wide receivers, were on the field at the same time. Ladd McConkey was fourth in yards per route run. Keenan was above him. QJ was above him. Gadsden was above him. It was like he was just he was an alpha his rookie season.
Starting point is 00:18:23 He was just a total beta. And like with Travis Etienne, there's, you know, who has Alvin Kamara there, even though he's priced like Kamara retired, I still worry about Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen still got it. Like this is a big thing that you see in the ass is these older route running technicians who are never all that athletic to begin with. They age more gracefully because this is something you use like deception, IQ, film study, more so than raw athleticism.
Starting point is 00:18:52 I think Keenan Allen still got it. I think he has amazing rapport with Justin Herbert. I think it makes sense to sign him. And then even like this is a take that that Brett and I both kind of agree with is like we think Mike McDaniel is drooling over Quentin Johnson. Quinn Johnson ranks, you know, dead last and ass since he came into the league. He was better last year, especially when healthy, blah, blah, blah. But we think McDaniel's drooling over him as his like Debo Samuel Light.
Starting point is 00:19:19 I mean, he comped him to Julio Jones and Andre Johnson, which, you know, is insane. clearly like high hopes for him and like that's where he excels he he he led all wide receivers and mistackles force per reception last year uh he was a yak god in college and like i said can't separate and so like yeah just put him in the debo role debabo was never was always a below average separator anyway and so um there's just a number of factors here where this this i can't get on board Ryan i'm sorry i think he's overpriced i think there's too much risk here uh and i'm I'm lad. Yeah, it's just, it's a price thing for me too. I want to buy as well, but man, we're drafting it as like wide receiver 16, 17. Like he's got this like clear wide receiver
Starting point is 00:20:04 one upside. Scott, I'd just straight up prefer Terry McLoran. Oh, oh, do I? Do I? That one's easy. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's like there's a few, I mean, there's a few though, like Terry McClure and I prefer straight up. I might prefer Luther Perton straight up as well. I prefer as a flower straight up. Yep. Yep. Uh, maybe even I think Amika Agbuka might be one. I've squinted at that one though. I've squinted at that one. I said this to Ryan yesterday.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Amika Igbuka is the toughest player for me this season. The tough. You have Ben Solac, by the way, who's killing it. He's writing great articles that are very fantasy actionable for ESPN. His prediction, he said it multiple times that Amika Igbuka, leagues of the league in receptions this year, he plays the Z in Zach Robinson's offense, where Cooper Cup went nuclear. And, you know, the first five weeks of the season before he got hurt, he was, you know, a top
Starting point is 00:21:00 five fantasy wide receiver. He looked amazing. But the downside argument is like the last five weeks of the season. He was just totally cucked by Jalen McMillan. He was the team's wide receiver four. He looked awful. I know he was hurt. I know Baker is hurt.
Starting point is 00:21:14 It's something I don't have a read on. It's just something that's been tormenting me, keeping me up at night. I keep meditating on. I don't know where I'm at. It's upside wins championship. It's versus, you know, a ton of downside risk, you know, versus wide receivers in that range I love. So he's a tricky one.
Starting point is 00:21:35 I was with you to start like April. I was like, man, I don't know if I could do it with Egbuka. I just thought, you know, like you said, Jalen McMillan came off of IR. He had a really bad neck injury and he looked awesome and was like beating him in targets. He also beat him in routes. But I come back to a point you made on Arwash.
Starting point is 00:21:50 If you haven't listened to it already, go back and listen to our six deep quarterback and tight-in sleepers. We put that out last week. And you brought up all the injuries that Baker-Mayfield played through last year. So I went back and looked by catchable throw rate broke. Baker-Mayfield was like top five in 2024, like top five, top six. Last year that cratered. And you could just say, hey, dude, the guy was hurt.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Like, he clearly was hurt, wasn't healthy. And I think this is a legitimate play caller upgrade from Zach Robinson from Josh Grizzard. I think Robinson, you know, obviously coming from the McVeatree, you know, going to help in the play action department baker mayfield has been a top five quarterback off of play action over the last three seasons so i've really warmed up to agbuka and i think talking through this with you now i think i might prefer i go straight up over lad i think that's where i'm at as well i think that's right um but i still struggle with him uh for the folks at home here's the injuries that baker mayfield dealt with last year he's on the injury report 11 times with foot
Starting point is 00:22:43 toe biceps knee oblique illness shoulder left and shoulder right in injuries uh dude a warrior who plays through everything doesn't always play particularly well. But, you know, that's worth, that's worth making note of, you know, a little bit of spoilers. I think the play here is honestly investing in Chris Godwin. Just because like you look at the wide receivers next to a Buka, there's a bunch of guys I like. You look at the wide receivers next to Godwin. They all suck. And like Godwin's like always been like a PPR cheat code when healthy, like screen God, super underrated. And so it might make sense as like an arbitrage, just bet on Godwin and have that be a bet
Starting point is 00:23:23 against Igbuka. But like I said, it's one I've really struggled with. Yeah, Godwin is just tricky because I fear, man, but the injuries, the ACL major ankle injury, maybe he's just like lost a step. My guy, Jeff Mueller, one of the best injury experts in the game, is really bullish on Chris Godwin. I thought that's where I'd be. I had a conversation with him.
Starting point is 00:23:44 And I'm like, oh, I just assume. he was washed he's like no dude i i think he's i think he's gonna be back okay all right i'll bring i'll come back around i'm no doctor i'm a surgeon i'm not a doctor fantasy surgeon uh scott barrett uh all right to you it's actually pronounced uh barrette i decided to change it or is it beret i'm sure it's not beret scott barret it's pronounced king yeah there you go there you go there you go all right back to you uh ping pong back to you fifth round player that you hate we're sticking with uh some some fun hate here who do you hate in the fifth round scott i'm gonna with travion henderson and i think it's just partially because like all of our guys are big on like
Starting point is 00:24:27 ryan was very big on tray on henderson theo very big on travi oners and i i just i like being the contrarian i like being the hater and it's dude he was just a total non-factor in the games that mattered most last season. You could pull it up on the screen right here, but like look at Ramandre Stevenson versus Trayvion Henderson in the playoffs. Like the dude was barely on the field. It was, they were also better with him off the field. You look at the EPA per play splits. The EPA per play splits were insane, way better with him off the field and Remandre on the field. People talk about the games that Remandre missed where he went off. And it's like, yeah, but Those were, he lucked into like a bunch of bottom five run defenses over that stretch.
Starting point is 00:25:11 And he's really just like kind of a case study in yards per carry is fraudulent, heavily inflated by these long runs that again came in in cushy matchups. But you look at, you can pull this one up on the screen too. It's, it's, uh, Romandrie Stephen was so much better at what matters most to John, Josh McDaniel's run scheme. Uh, where, where Trayvon Henderson is a great outside zone run guy. You saw this in college. But Josh McDaniels.
Starting point is 00:25:36 always calls outside zone at a bottom five rate. He's much more man gap, which is where Ramandre is really the better running back. And so it's just, it's just, yeah, people talking about the upside, but it's like the dude had what, a 25% snapshot in the playoffs last year. Like the, you were talking about catastrophic risk. And again, I think the median too is, is like a 6040 split. Yeah. Yeah, it's not good.
Starting point is 00:26:03 You look at the 17 games they played together fully last year. Stevenson missed, I believe, three or four with an ankle injury. You take those out for Henderson. The 17 games they both played together broke. Henderson had eight, eight XFP. And he's a fifth round pick. Like that is like, you need him to basically literally double that to pay off this fifth round 80p. We here at fantasy points, we're pretty much completely out on Trevi on Anderson.
Starting point is 00:26:29 Not only do we have him buried in the projections, RB29. We also have Ramandu Stevenson ahead of him. I'm with you. The median outcome is just not very good. And it's like the upside for him. I think it would just take a Stevenson injury, man. I think that's where I'm at. Yeah. And that's what you're banking on, in which case he's the most expensive handcuff and football. So yeah, not really about it personally. Yeah, not not about it either. The running back dead zone is still alive and well in the fifth round. And Henderson leads off that dead zone in my opinion. I'll switch gears here a little bit. Round six, the player I hate the most. The only quarterback we're going to talk today is Joe Burrow. I think.
Starting point is 00:27:06 he's arguably the only quarterback that's overpriced in fantasy. I think we've kind of seen a mean reversion with ADP. It's pretty sharp. I think in general, once you get past like 80, 90, we see Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott go off the board. And I think that's just where Burroughs should go. He should not be a mid-sixth round pick. He needs 40 touchdowns, Scott, I think, to pay off this ADP. And it's really like, we love Joe Burrow. We love him for fantasy. We love what he's done for, you know, obviously Chase and Higgins. But at the end of the day, like, I think I'm I can make a similar upside case for Brock Purdy, and Brock Purdy goes three rounds later. I can make a similar upside case for Dak Prescott, and Prescott goes a round and a half later.
Starting point is 00:27:45 It's not that we're out on Borough, the player. It's just the pick is just not worth this ADP, and especially in a year where we've got late round quarterbacks out, though. It's just an incredible year for late round quarterbacks, absolutely loaded from that QB7 to QB 18-19 pocket. I just can't get there with Burrow, man. Like he has to have another 40 touchdown season to really pay off this ADP. And even if he throws for 40 touchdowns, I think there's two guys in Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, who could throw 35 this year and have similar output.
Starting point is 00:28:18 And you're getting them a round or two layer. Yeah. So we haven't, we didn't really consult on any of these. I, this is the first time I'm hearing your Joe Burrow take, but it's exactly the same as mine. Like I have my research document as I'm working through my rankings. And with Joe Burrow, what I wrote is like, as much as I love him in real life football, like I think he's like a god. For fantasy, he just feels like fancy Baker Mayfield to me.
Starting point is 00:28:45 Or he's just expensive Brock Purdy. And you put it exactly the way I did. We could show it on the screen here. But Joe Burrow by fantasy points per game last year, just 0.6 more than Baker Mayfield. In 2024, 0.2 more than Baker Mayfield. 2023, 1.5 less than Baker Mayfield. And the guy goes, what, seven rounds earlier? And then Brock Purdy, like you said, it's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Since 2023, Brock Purdy averages 19.5 fantasy points per game. Joe Burrow averages, bro. Yeah, he's like QB5. Joe Burrow averages 19.4. And who's way more injury prone? It's Joe Burrow. And so, yeah, it's, you know, I always grab the- Who has the better play caller?
Starting point is 00:29:26 Brock Purdy. Like, by far, it's not even close. Zach Taylor could get fired mid-season. honestly yeah he um dude i have no idea how he still has a job but i digress on that i i chase conami code quarterbacks and so that's where i'm going to go but if i don't i'm going to go with you know just the cheaper pocket passer with similar upside yeah i i just can't get there with bro i i get it if you this is not a best ball argument it's strictly redraft if it's best ball then yeah sure you know stack them up with chasen higgins in the sixth round absolutely go for that but in redraft
Starting point is 00:29:58 managed leagues where I mean we're drafting our wide receiver three scott in in the sixth round i just i can't i can't do it with burrow all right back over to you that was the only quarterback we're going to talk for the rest of the show here we're going to be talking three receivers and one running back we hate i think we might disagree on this one though who do you hate in the seventh round who you not drafting uh and again this is this is like targeted at ryan who who's very Poor Ryan just taking grenades on this show, bro. He's not even here to defend himself. It's because I value his opinion so much.
Starting point is 00:30:31 And so it makes me angry when we disagree. It's here we go. Someone's already claiming this is our year. Someone else said that last year too. A round of James and ginger and lime arrives at the table. Smooth enough for kickoff. Smooth enough for extra time. New friends pulling up a stool.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Debates about whether that was a handball. Cheers rising like a roar around the room. Because match days are about the shared moments. How did Jameson to your match day lineup? Jameson, it's what you bring. Please enjoy our products responsibly. It's Marvin Harrison, Jr. I can definitely see where I'm wrong.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Like he argues like, hey, if he stayed healthy, like there's a chance we're drafting him in round three. And I get that. But it's also you're telling that a guy who's had two good games his entire career. He is two career 100-yard games, both coming as a rookie. And then he misses some time last year. and Michael freaking Wilson turns into Jerry Rice. So now Michael Wilson, I know he didn't do anything with Marvin Harrison Jr. healthy, but now he is four times as many career good games
Starting point is 00:31:34 as Marvin Harrison Jr. had. And so you have a new regime coming in. I just worry it's more of a meritocracy. I worry it's this was like a nepotism top five draft pick where if his name was Marvin Johnson, like I don't know we'd be viewing him. Would he be going in round 12 right now? And so it's just, you know, I see a lot of downside risk. Also, the Arizona Cardinals had the highest pass rate of any offense in at least a half decade last season. That's going to regress to the mean. I will say, like, I was talking to our resident ass guy, Stephen O'Rourke, who said,
Starting point is 00:32:18 he thinks it's like a mental thing with Marvin Harrison Jr. where he was watching his tape last year and like he dropped a pass in the end zone. It looked like he wanted to cry and then he was like moping throughout the rest of the game. But he was like, the talent's still there. It's just like a mental. And who knows? Maybe this is the year. It all clicks and he goes crazy.
Starting point is 00:32:36 But dude has two career good games. I'm not drafting that in round seven on a shitty team. With Trey McBride, the alpha probably. That's the thing. I'll push back. There's the meme. Ryan is just taking shells for our subs. I'm actually going to side a little bit with Ryan here. I was completely out on Harrison last year.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I thought he should have been more of like a six-round pick, seventh-round pick, and that's where he's going now. I hear you. He's never really been a big spike-tweak player, but you look at the nine full games that he played last year. He did play through a lot of injuries, and then he had appendicitis, but he played nine full games with more than 60% of the snaps.
Starting point is 00:33:13 And in those games, he had 21% of the targets, 42% of the air yards. His role in those games was worth 13.8, expected fantasy points per game. By XFP, Scott, he would have been the wide receiver 13. That's ahead of Nico Collins, Tett McMillan, George Pickens. He was actually the wide receiver 17 and points scored. I think there's some upside here. I think this is the first time I've been looking at the price for Harrison, at least compared
Starting point is 00:33:36 to last year, and I've been like, okay, I actually think I can see it. For what it's worth, that role, 20% of the targets, 40% of the air yards. Only seven other wide receivers did that last year, is JSN, Garrett Wilson, and Drake London, Chris Olavay, Tet, Jalen Waddle, and D.K. Metcalfe. Yeah, he's probably not going to be the clear number one receiver unless he just takes off in a way that I don't think either of us are expecting. That should clearly be Trey McBride. Trey McBride, bro, he like rolls out of bed and gets 25% of the targets. He could be injured and get 25% of the targets. That's just what he does. I do think there's significant downside risk here, though, like for fantasy, like
Starting point is 00:34:12 if it's week 13 and Jacoby Brissette just stinks and it's Carson Beck out there, like we're probably going to be completely buried on Martin Harrison and Michael Wilson. That is legitimate downside risk. But now, I mean, the price is like wide receiver 33. I think it's, it's fair. I will say it's fair. It's not one that I'm like, I'm not going to go all in on Harrison. He's not going to be one of my guys this year. But I think it's a decent price. Yeah. I mean, you guys, you guys might be right to strengthen your argument on plays when Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison Jr. were both on the field last year. MHJ led in target share, 25.7 percent. That would have ranked top 12, Trade McBride, just like half percentage point right behind him.
Starting point is 00:34:51 Michael Wilson all the way down at 15.8% wide receiver 49. And so, yeah, hey, maybe he was kind of the alpha last year already. And maybe he takes a step forward this year. But to counter that, despite the high target share, he had like a 1.31 yards per route run, which is awful. And yeah, dude, the Carson Beck thing is massive. I think there's a really high chance that he starts the entirety of the second half. And this is a guy, Brett Whitefield had like a round five grade on.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So that could be like disastrously bad. I'm totally. And like that's something Ryan and I have talked about too where it's like you might be better off just like excluding all of the bottom six teams from your rankings. Right. Just like just list them all off as do not draft. Maybe Brock Bowers is like the one exception. But yeah, because things get really bad when you're eyeing archmaning, you know, like you're playing for Archmanning. So, you know.
Starting point is 00:35:45 That might be what they're doing. That's kind of what I'm thinking, especially if, you know, a, Bresset just loses the job or they just straight up want to tank at the end of last year, at the end of this coming season. Yeah, that's basically what I'm seeing. I'll keep their theme running here with the 20, the 2024 receiver class, but switching gears just a little bit. I am completely, I have no idea why Xavier Worthy is going in the eighth round.
Starting point is 00:36:10 I think this should be like a 10th, 11th, 12th round pick maybe even. I sure up think Tycho one Thornton is a better deal. deep threat than Zavirworthy. Yes. Dude, Xavier Worthy is wide receiver 54 and points per game over the last two seasons. He's still being drafted as like a top 45 wide receiver and fantasy football. He's never been a good deep threat. Brett Whitefield has been all over this that he's just not, he's not a good deep threat because not only is he tiny, but he's really bad at tracking the ball in the air that popped up all over his tape last year. And then you mix in the fact, bro, you've been saying this with Patrick Mahomes for a few years now. Like he is not. He's not,
Starting point is 00:36:45 the same deep throwing quarterback that he is, you know, he was early in his career. Now he's coming off an ACL tear. You look at the games where Xavier Worthy plays with Rishie Rice when Rice is, you know, not in jail or he's fully healthy. Worthy's role has been like completely worthless for fantasy, sub 10 XFP per game. I think he's clearly the third target on this team. And I also believe the chiefs do lean a little more run heavy this year. I think they lean a little more run heavy with Ken Walker involved. And, you know, maybe Mahomes, it just takes him a few weeks. to get back to fully healthy round eight man I'm just I will have zero worthy this season it's it's an insane price yeah I said this in like week three last year on
Starting point is 00:37:25 cashing points and Jake Triby laughed in my face I said I said I think Tyquan Thornton's better than Xavier Worthy he laughed him I've been a Tyquan truth there since since you have days to be fair I loved him coming out too yeah but Xavier where he's he wasn't he wasn't just a bad deep ball receiver in college he was the worst ever by yards per target on career yards per target on deep passes dude does not know how to track a deep ball you look at the ass tyquin thornton's ass is so much better than Xavier worthy it's i i just totally completely 100% agree with this take there's a chance we're wrong and like you know he had collarbone and ankle injuries last year and uh you know maybe they're souring
Starting point is 00:38:07 on rishie rice and blah blah blah but yeah i dude i'm so out on xavier worthy and And yeah, dude, by the way, Patrick Mahomes, I need to see Patrick Mahomes have a good season as a deep passer without Tyreek Hill. Because that's been my hot take forever is, is, dude, Tyreek is just a kingmaker. Tyreek is like, I think you're right on that. The greatest offensive player, non-quarterback of my generation by far, like, striking fear into the heart of defenses, who just like sold out to stop him and still couldn't stop him. um where bro he got two of the bag in 23 he got two of the back he he he he he he owes him like a hundred million dollars but dude people forget Alex Smith and two a tag of a low are like the poster child of like okay they're accurate in the short area of the field but they have no arm
Starting point is 00:38:57 strength and then they led the league in deep passing easily with tyree kill it's just like yeah you have this you know freak of nature who just gets wide open you know every play deep so um so yeah i'm i'm kind of just yeah I think you nailed it yeah not an Xavier worthy guy yeah there's just I mean it's a structural thing too I just like was saying with Dak and Brock Purdy and Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence like that's the pocket where quarterbacks in my opinion gets really freaking good and I'm just I have my receivers by then usually I don't I don't feel the need to really dip into that that pool and the tier for me really starts falling off around that range I'm just I'm completely out with with Xavier worthy I'll keep it rolling here round nine
Starting point is 00:39:38 And my guy that I'm also fading is J.K. Dobbins. I just think he's a wind small type of player. You look at last season, like last two seasons, really, he's been one of the most explosive and efficient runners in the league. But we're talking now three out of the last four years, he's had a catastrophic injury ending his season or, you know, severely limiting him. Last year was the foot injury. He had the ACL tear in 21. Then he tore his Achilles in 23. You know, he's just never really been able to fully healthy. He had a 20 in 24, he had a knee injury that cost him a few games. And I'm just looking at it from the perspective of like, okay, he'll probably be the early down runner to start the year, Scott. But he didn't have a pass down roll.
Starting point is 00:40:16 He was like outside of the top 40 running backs and route share last year. I fully expect that to either be R.J. Harvey or Jonah Coleman. And in round nine, like, yeah, I mean, he might be a small ADP beater. He might be okay for best ball, but I don't really care about that. I'm looking for upside. I'm also looking at it from the perspective I just said. Quarterback is awesome in this pocket. If you wait on quarterback, this is exactly where I want to be drafting.
Starting point is 00:40:43 To me, Dobbins is like, okay, maybe he scores 11, 12 fantasy points per game again. He's a fine, like, low-end RB2. But what is that really winning me at this point in the draft? And I just, I question the upside big time with JK Dobbins this year, mainly because of the passing down rule. This is the first one where I don't know that I agree with you. Like, yeah, I don't, I don't see him finishing as a fantasy RB1. And so you can poke holes in the ceiling.
Starting point is 00:41:09 He's the most injury prone player of all time. And so it probably doesn't make it through the season. But I don't know, man. He was awesome last year. Like that, he was incredible. Incredible. And you're the yards created guy. He looked amazing.
Starting point is 00:41:24 It's and he's always looked amazing all throughout his entire career. He ranks top 10 in career yards per carry. Whenever healthy on the field, he has produced. Uh, it's maybe like this is actually one of the most valuable offenses to just be a pure early down runner because Denver has the top offense of line in football, according to Scott D. Benedetto, a former 10 year scout with the Browns, uh, who just wrote that article for fantasy points. Although he got a lot of heat for that. Uh, it's, it's, it's an offense that we have projected to, to finish what, top three and plays per game this year. It's going to have, it has an elite defense. So game script's going to be amazing. And, and, And it's just a guy who's, who's damn good at the game. Oh, and Sean Payton, by the way, there's like a quote where he's like, he told the GM, he's like, dude, J.K. Dobbins is a acquire at all cost player. Do not let him leave the state of. And it's, so I think they have a clear role in mind.
Starting point is 00:42:21 I think, you know, if he stays healthy, he's going to be productive. And he's also one of those guys. I keep thinking about this more often than I usually do is, is, is, you know, he's a guy you could potentially sell high on. week four just like Jeremiah love is a guy you could probably buy low on week four um and so i think that's something that kind of matters too where you know round nine you know you really want to be chasing upside but some of these guys the floor is nice enough where you're like eh you know that's that's a gross value but it's it's a value i'm fully admitting that he is like he certainly is a small ADP beater right now but bro he's never had more than 200 carries in his career like the guy just cannot stay healthy
Starting point is 00:43:00 and then they just drafted Jonah coleman who can do he's a little bit of a jack of all trades master of none type of guy but you know between harvey on passing downs between coleman maybe you know coming along late in the season between daubbins injury prone nature uh i just i can't do it with dobbins man i'm maybe maybe i'm just being too much of like an injury prone guy but i i really i can't do it in the ninth round scott who is the final player that you're hating round 10 you are not going to draft a single share of this player here in the 10th round yeah that's going to be Matthew Golden and like this is just kind of fun for me because I've just been a hater all throughout the process.
Starting point is 00:43:36 You have. Correctly so. Correctly so. Yeah. It's it's um dude. I thought Isaiah Bond was a better prospect. My, my prospect model thought Isaiah Baum was a better process and like I don't know. He's been the star of Brown's training camp.
Starting point is 00:43:51 Maybe there's something there. But I just did not see a round one caliber wide receiver. And then nothing in his, uh, his rookie season, you know, has me encouraged. like he has all the trappings of a bust you look at the the rookie season yards per route run targets per route run i will say there's a way where this blows up in my face just because like la floor is such a god uh you know one of the best play callers in terms of scheming guys open they lost romeo dobbs and they lost d'antavian wick so he wasn't a full-time player last year he should be a full-time player this year um and you know it's a great offense to be a full-time receiver in but
Starting point is 00:44:29 it's just a guy I thought wasn't very good. Rookie year wasn't very good. And I just stubbornly don't like, yeah, there's just no evidence telling me I should change my mind. So I'm not going to. Screw him. Yeah. I'm with you on that.
Starting point is 00:44:44 He did not have, you know, any sort of like second, you know, second half bump that rookie receivers typically do. And he's also like at best, bro. He's the fourth receiver on this team. It should be Watson, Reed and Kraft is the clear top three. So you're talking about the fourth target on a Packers. offense that's generally pretty balanced. By XFP, he'll probably have the fifth most valuable role behind Josh Jacobs.
Starting point is 00:45:05 You know, unless Tucker Kraft is not fully healthy or, you know, maybe Jaden Reed doesn't play at all in 12 personnel again, I really struggle to see the upside. I've just been too Christian Watson-pilled. I'm huge on Christian Watson this year, Scott. But I'm with you on Matthew Golden. 0.0 shares on him this year. Scott, this was awesome, man. 10 players were refusing to draft round by round.
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