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Episode Date: November 17, 2024

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Get the yes you've been waiting for at Capital One.ca.ca. slash yes terms and conditions apply week 11 is here and trade deadlines are on the horizon what do you do how do you handle it well Andy buckler and I your host Thomas tip we are going to sit down and discuss some of the ins and outs of dynasty trade deadline we are not going to get into the do we think they should have a trade deadline because I know on dynasty points next week that is going to be a 45 minute to an hour and a half long conversation. So we are going to pass that, pass the buck,

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You would have been early on Anthony Richardson. You would have also have held fast and not sold for whatever you could get. You would have been early on Tyrone Tracy and Chase Brown. Tillman, tons of players that are already gaining value every single day, Joanne Jennings, et cetera. So lock in and we're going to help continue to mold your dynasty portfolios and have you gaining as much value as possible.

Then you might be thinking, well, Andy, what are we doing on today's show? Guess what? We're doing a lot. We are going to open with things that annoyed us, this week and the dynasty community. That's just something Buck and I like to do because the, you know, we live chronically online in this industry.

We see a lot of stuff that irritates us and we have to get it off our chest sometimes. So we do that here for your amusement. Usually we do the most recent trades via dynasty daddy.com. Not this week. We have something different this week. And we'll cook with that after a little bit of a teaser, a little bit of a surprise.

And then, of course, we're going to look at some players that we think we're going to beat the market. with. So all that being said, oh, we can't forget the savant play of the week. I mean, back-to-back weeks. I'm on a heater right now, Andy. I know you're cooking. I got something for you today, though. Oh, can't wait. Cann't wait. Let's talk about the things that annoyed us. I'll hand it off to you. What annoyed you this week? So my number one thing that I know to me this week is actually

leagues without a league median. And that's funny. So I used to hate league medians or never really like not even hated it, but I was like something different. I didn't want to do it because like sometimes when you see something new, you just, you know, you'd rather just for you. You'll just scream just play normal. Exactly. And a shout out to our friend Cam. We play in a lot of leagues and that's our homie. He put me on to that. Like all his leagues have league median and he's, that's the first time I played in them. And I really think it's a necessity at this point in all leagues because it really actually separates who's good and who isn't. And it gets away from the teams that are actually just scheduled merchants and are winning because of,

you know, they get to play four of the tanking teams that have no players, but their max points are in the bottom four, but they're in the top, you know, top three of the league. And it also impacts the other way if you have a bunch of points against, but your points four are really good and you're four and five. Like, you're getting screwed. If you have a league median,

you wouldn't be there. It would even itself out. So I think league median is a necessity at this point, all dynasty leagues, especially dynasty leagues. I think it's a necessity at this point. And it's annoyed me when I look at teams that are, you know, top in points and down four and five.

And I have to fight and claw my way to the playoffs. I have a league where I'm first in points, 1800 points. I have about 100 points more than the second place. I just made it to 5 and 5 and just grabbed the six spot this week. So that's what's annoyed me this week so far. Yeah, I also don't like that it allows people to have this like false sense of security within their leagues.

And it's not, hey, all the power to you. but when I see like that team trading its picks away, it hurts me. Like it hurts me because I know they don't, they either don't understand or they just like don't care about team fragility. That's a hyper fragile team that you have. If you are outside of the top six and points four, but your second or third in the league,

you have a hyper-fragile team that on a week-to-week basis could be playing for 103. So league median is not a perfect fix to this, but I feel like it is a good bumper, right? Because it does make it easier for a team to stay in the mix that deserves to stay in the mix for sure. I know there are people that don't even like max points for deciding, like, the bottom or like picks one through six in drafts.

That's a whole other discussion, but you pair those two things. Tanking teams have to actually work hard to tank, for one. It'll really eat points off your roster. You've got to really want it if you would. And then it also just helps, yeah, teams that are getting screwed by week-to-week matchups and the variance of that kind of stay where they should be. I've seen so many, I have a friend of mine DeBaradocs playing a bunch of leagues with them. He has at least four different leagues where he's number one in points against.

and he's number one in points four and he's out of the playoffs. Play better defense. Yeah, exactly, right? Like, I don't know. I think you're right. I think that's a really good way to kind of not fix that problem

because there is no fix, but help with the problem. That's a good one. I like that one. For me, two things, kind of. One, just want to point out, Anthony Richardson is back. You know what we talked about a couple weeks ago?

Not taking any second for him because it is a bad way to play fantasy to overreact to these things when we know there's going to be another opportunity. Whether it came in the offseason or on another team, Trey Lance was still a fifth round startup pick when we knew Brock Purdy was starting. And no, this isn't a, this situation is different. I know it's different, fully aware that it's different, all these situations. It's why I said J.G. McCarthy doesn't have to worry about Sam Darnold sticking around. I know. I get it. Different scenarios.

But Anthony Richardson was going to be worth a second the second the offseason hit anyway. So now we get another chance. We get a better chance to sell later if he plays at all better. If he just stops Garrett Cole fastballing every throw. If his receivers don't drop everything. if he rushes for 35 yards a game, he's back to 15 to 16 points per game. All of a sudden, Anthony Richardson's up to being a first plus again.

Yes, awesome. If you want to sell at that point, great. Don't overreact. That stuff really pissed me off. And it really hurt a lot of your fantasy teams. So just a reminder on that. Second, the thing that actually I wanted to talk about on here is blanket statements about the value of players.

this makes me crazy that is why this podcast exists really i see just trade x for player x or for player y right oh chase brown's popping off right now he's the young guy go and trade a second for him brother what league what league are you playing in that allows you to trade for chase brown for a two and someone's going to go well in my league that's what he good for you in your league. But take the average. Players are going to see the points. They see points and they're going to value the points higher than what his value is. Yes, it is okay to say you should be looking to do this if you can. Sure. The caveat should be, I don't think you're going to be able to. We say this a lot in the Fantasy Points Discord. Yeah, I would want to trade for that. When someone

asked, would you trade this for this? Yeah, of course I would. Obviously, I would. Don't think you're going to get it, but try anyway. Blanket statements about players' values gets you in trouble. The Xavier Worthy thing, right? Xavier Worthy is going to hold his value no matter what. Is he? Because it's already dying. It's already on the downward spiral.

So having a blanket statement about a player can get you in trouble and get you hurt in your dynasty leagues. I've stopped doing this. I've stopped doing this in part because Buck made fun of me for it a couple of times last year, and I've since changed how I operate. Last year, even the year before that, probably I started to change it up a little bit more, but the value of a player is so unique per league, per scoring setting, per environment, and then depending on what market you like to choose to use, do you use the key trade cut one?

Do you use Dynasty Daddy? Do you use Fantasy Calc? Do you use your own? Do you use only the micro within your league? there's no blank statement for market and the value of a player that exists. Thoughts? No, I agree with that. I think, you know, I'll always make fun of you for that because it would be like,

oh, this player is worth a mid-two. Send you a mid-two. You don't take it. So that would always annoy me. It also kind of goes the other way. Like in a league I'm in right now. It happened yesterday where it's like, what do you want for this player? I want a mid-two.

So I send them a 26-second or mid-two value. Send them a 26-second. Well, I'd only take a second if it's a 25. Well, okay, that's not what, like, that's not the meaning of the value. So if we have values, we need to stick to them and we need to, you know, make sense with that. And I don't know, that's a whole other thing that bothers me. But yeah, I agree with it. I think the blanket statement thing, it's just a way to get in trouble.

It's a good thing. And I think it's like a thing to say for clicks, right? It's really easy to be like, oh, he's two first. And then when you actually get sent to first, you don't want to do it because that's not his value. So, yeah, I agree with that. I actually love that statement that you've got me saying now. often where we're not we're not playing for clicks we're playing for bread and when you when you when you when you said that I was like all right like that that clicked with me big time because that's

kind of when I shifted my entire focus and I've been a significantly better player ever since we like to try to break away if you would from the monotony of you know what we see online and for the most part if you like fade Twitter you're doing pretty good so we like to bring it back down to reality that's just something we like to do so that's it that's the stuff that annoyed us today leave a comment

reach out to us let us know what you think what annoyed you and we will we'll touch base to everyone on it so sit tight we're going to be right back after the first break and when we come back

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mid-tier players and things like that that you want to acquire, et cetera. So let's talk about it. Let's talk about trades that you've done, and then we'll get into what I think is going to be probably the most fun discussion that we've had so far. Okay, so some trades I've done this week. The first trade is in, it's actually in a listener league. I gave, I'm not contending.

My team is bad. It's also another league with a league median with a lot of teams that are also bad and I'm still winning and I'm not supposed to be winning. But I got, I sent Xavier Worthy and I got Cedric Tillman in a mid-second. That's the first deal. And the second trade was on a contender. I'm first and points, a third overall. That was my record. I gave Jalen Waddle, Devante Smith, two seconds.

They're not my seconds. They're two 25 seconds from two bad teams. from Bucky Irving for Jamar Chase and Jamante Williams So two deals I made this week Yeah I think those are very solid deals I think people might look kind of Sideways at the Xavier Worthy thing

And be like oh you're you're selling him for that already Like Tillman he's not a first round pick of the chiefs We've seen it right We saw the problems with Worthy I mean Brett Whitefield talked about it I talked about on dynasty points You can't track a deep ball that's kind of his job Like that play on the sideline where he just lost where he was

That should have been a touchdown. There was no one near him. The throw could have been better and could have led him inside, sure. Pro receiver, you've got to navigate where that is. He has a hard time fighting through traffic, fighting through catches. He doesn't get used in the alpha role.

We know what that role is designed to be. Yes, Nagy could go somewhere that things can change situations. You talk about all the time. You're already getting from Tillman what you are hoping to get from Worthy. So it's going to help you this year. Chances are if Tillman,

continues to break out. He's just not going to come off the field like you mentioned last week. It's just going to not just go away if he continues to do this. And you get a second on top. So I don't mind this at all. It's hard to sell worthy right now. In fact, it's almost impossible. But to be able to get this is very good. And then you gave up this one, Waddle Smitty, two seconds, and Bucky Irving for Chase is pricey, but I know you want out on Waddle. I knew you wanted out on Waddle Like would I send like even Smitty two seconds and Bucky is it feels expensive So let's talk about this one whether it's situational or not because I can't tell if this is a fake overpay or an actual overpay because I think Javante's a zero

So let's walk through this because Bucky is Really producing so people are going to see those points and say well he should be worth like a late first because he's a, you know, a rookie running back. He's putting up a ton of points, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We've talked about him before, but two seconds plus Smitty and Bucky feels like an overpay when you see it. So let's talk about that one specifically.

Yeah, so I wanted to get another first round start of pick on my team, another really high upside player. I have, so I'm seven and three, second in points, and I don't need, like I had a bunch of access receivers. Like I have, right now my team is Jamar. Mar Chase, Josh Downes, Romo Dunzee, DJ Moore, Malik neighbors, T. Higgins. Those are my wide receivers after trading the two. So I knew I knew I could and could afford a package like that.

And I wanted to do a package like that. I think a lot of teams maybe can't afford to trade players like that because they don't have enough players in their team. But so I see it. It can be overpay in that aspect. But this is the whole point of like accruing value, right? I tanked last year on purpose, year one punt. I had six first round picks in six seconds.

Now I have two seconds left and no first round picks in 25. That's the whole point to gaining all the value, buying all the players and then flipping them for the big time players. Like that's what, like you don't just, you don't always have to use the picks. When you trade for the picks, you don't always have to use for the, use the picks.

I didn't use picks in this trade necessarily. I used the seconds, but I bought, like I've used a first to get Smitty, a first to get Waddle, and now I've sold both of them to get up to chase. So I'm happy with the deal with that aspect. The Bucky part of it, I have Bijon Robinson and Breece Hall and James Cook as a running backs.

So I didn't need Bucky Irving. He was the counter. So the original trade was I get Chase for Smitty, Waddle, and the two-toes. That was the deal. He came back with Bucky and then added to my side. I don't care about Javante either. He wasn't targeted in the deal. He was literally just a player that he threw back in the deal because I think he didn't want to cut anyone.

So just throw someone back to me. Whatever. I don't care about Javante, but he does score seven points. I could use that. But I don't, I didn't like target him or go out to get him or anything. So I'm happy with the trade in that aspect. I do think it could be an overpay for some people, but not for me, especially when you kind of break down the players.

We know, we know Smithy is good, but he is a, you know, a mid-wide receiver 2, probably like a wider receiver 15. Borderline top 12 dynasty receiver, probably not going much further than he is now, 12 to 15. Waddle has tanked. But he'll regain some value in the offseason, but he's probably at this point, like a wide receiver 20 to wide receiver 24. foreign dynasty and he doesn't score like i can't play wattle so he's not even taking out of my lineup though i'm pretty much taking smitty and replacing it with chase like that's what the deal is for

my lineup even though it's obviously bigger value i so i'm happy with it yeah that makes perfect sense this feels like a fake overpay situation that's that's why i kind of wanted to talk about it and have the breakdown because some people are going to look at them and be like oh you can't possibly give up players like tivontas smith and and jalen waddle plus seconds and then this rookie stud running but like sometimes it is okay it is okay to to to overpay even if you feel it's just an overpay and not a fake overpay there are situations where it's okay which is why blanket statements for players again is not okay because situations change all the time the last thing i'll say about the trade this is also a good uh reminder of you need to look at the other team's team

like to make deals so he had jimar chase and i he had jimar chase had 60 points on thursday I beat him. I played against the Jamar Chase and beat him. He scored 150 points as a team with a 55 point Jamar Chase game. All he had, like his team was consolidated, two solid quarterbacks, Jamar Chase, and like nothing else. I looked at that and I said he probably needs to trade Chase or would actually be willing to trade chase for a package of players because he needs players. So that's, I went to him and I got a deal done that way. That's how you need to approach trades and you need to look at teams and look at your own team and see the best type of deals.

And especially when you're like trying to get players like Jamar Chase, that's why. Like throwing Bucky Irving in, it's like it's already hard enough to even get close on a Jemar Chase deal. Like I'm not going to lose it over Bucky Irving. You can have him. I'm just going to accept that. But the way you get deals done is look at the team. Like, don't send a guy a quarterback when he has Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Like look at the team, see what he needs.

And that's how you get deals done. You're not going to just say like, oh, put in chat. Be like, oh, I'm interested in a wider server one. Like, yeah, people aren't going to just offer you Jemar Chase. You need to go out and go find them. So that's my advice for that. I always do love that. You know you at everyone in the league and you go like I'm looking I'm looking for a wide receiver one no shit

We all are so Get in line It's it's it's who's gonna pay up to get it all right. Let's let's go to what I think is the most interesting I've never done this on any podcast I've ever done before Let's look behind the curtain at a team of mine that I have Completely torn down I I believe I counted it. I have traded 11 assets over the last two days and have completely torn this team down. Do you want some context?

I have the second most wins in the five years this league has been around. I have scored the second most points since this league has been around. I have made the second most roster transactions on this team in the five years that it's been around. I have won nothing. Zero titles. No championships. I have finished second, third, third, fourth, third. Every year I have outscored the person who has won the finals, the week of the finals,

in every season. I have tried and tried to just continue to push and push and make this team something. However, this season, sitting at four and five, I went, there's no way I can do it. My points four, I am sitting, one, two, three, four, five, I'm seventh and points four. Just very annoying.

And I had lost McAfree up until last week and some other, like I've lost digs, I've lost some other players. Debo was out for a bit. Dude got fucking pneumonia. Whatever. Bad luck. Bad luck.

And I went, I need to do something because there are three, teams that are there's one that's two and eight one oh and ten one one and nine they are way ahead of me in this rebuild and i don't have my own first round pick which makes it very hard but i had to make the decision i needed to rebuild anyway now we play a lottery which is another aspect to this if you don't know how a lottery works for your rookie drafts i also encourage you convert your rookie drafts to a lottery and to me it is so much more fun it adds way more layers new dynamics,

makes things more challenging. You have to make more decisions on your roster when getting points off your roster and how hard you want to do that. Trading picks becomes even more difficult and more valuable because anyone from 1 through 6 has a shot at 101. We'll do more on that in the off season for sure.

But this is a lottery. So anyone has an opportunity at the 101. So even if I finish, you know, in the out of the playoffs, you know whoever has my pick technically can have a shot for 101 I went I checked in on the person who has my first they're they're also tanking I'm never getting that pick back so what do you do buck you just sometimes like you said you got to you got to just do it anyway because it's not worth it right we talked about that off show so this is what I did I looked at teams they

already had all the 25 picks bunch of them already had a bunch of 26 picks it wasn't worth it. I lost technically a ton of value here overall. And to me, maybe you're wondering, why are we talking about this on this podcast? Because I have said that even on the last Dynasty Point show, I said that a small value loss today is a massive value gain tomorrow. It's the same thing as an overpay now is, you know, a market pay later or an underpay later. It works the other way around. Like Jacob had mentioned on the Tuesday night show or the Wednesday podcast, I've never had a deal where I've traded a player for like a first or multiple first later where I've been like, damn, I wish I didn't have these picks right now, which is the best way to look at it. So what do we do? Well, we attacked the 27

draft class. Now I know, Buck, you have said a first as a first and you should, I got offered 25 first that I knew we're late, looked at their teams and said, Their teams are still going to be good next year unless something crazy happens. Let me go after 27. Because that to me is a big separator in what picks I should be trading for. If you're looking to sell off veterans, if you're late to the game and selling players off. Or if right now, you're still, even if you're contending, if you've got players like a Terry McLaren that you're like, you know what? I'm contending.

This isn't going to nuke my team. Let's get maximum value. But oh, everyone else in the league already has. a bunch of picks from these other years. Let me just go and try to get the 27. Like to me, I'm still okay doing that. Like, you should always be looking to get value. It's not just contenders and sellers, et cetera, et cetera.

It's all the time. So what I have done is I have sent away. Let's count them up. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten assets. And I've gotten back one, two, three, four, five, seven. I've gotten back seven assets. You ready to talk through some of these? let's do it let's go to me

these are perfect rebuilding trades in this scenario you do not need to have your back against the wall to do these these should all be very possible deals to get done in your leagues if you're a rebuilder and specifically if you feel strapped against the rest of your league

who have already gotten maybe they've been rebuilding since the league started maybe they're forever rebuilders and they're too afraid to get a running back and they never want to compete they're putting fullbacks into their starting lineup. Maybe they're just players that are hesitant to move off of their picks to begin with, no matter what, if they're just a permanent tweener. Or you know that that manager is a good player and their picks are going to be late for the next couple of years.

This, to me, is how you get around this. First, we're going to take a break. Leave you with some suspense. And when we come back, we're going to dive into it. That's called the teaser buck. I know you cooked right there. Okay. So this is how I do it.

First step. First step. Don't be afraid to be wrong. Number one. Two, don't be afraid to get roasted for a trade in the chat. I know that actually matters to some people that don't want to look like an idiot. No one's going to remember in two years, bro, unless you trade Lamar Jackson for a bunch of picks. But that's besides the point.

No one's going to care down the road if your team is good anyway. Okay. Three, our goal is to ultimately win and putting ourselves in. the best situation to do so, right? This is basically what the staple is of this podcast, right? So let's talk about it. I traded Tyree Kill and James Winston to the best team in the league for Dak Prescott and a 27 third.

He would not give up a 25 or a 26, so I attacked the 27 third. To me, this is a trade that not only can I look bad next year if James Winston gets a starting job, whatever, I doubt he will. He's not doing great as it is. It just is what he is in my opinion. But I want to buy DAC. This isn't really buying DAC at a discount, really. But it's going to feel that way next year for me.

I'm going to have Dak. I'm going to have Kyler. Quarterback situations kind of figured out. Don't have my pick this year. It's going to be hard for me to get another quarterback. So we are, we're looking at that deal. Not bad. What say you?

I like the deal. I look at it as DAC for Hill or Hill for Dax. straight up. I don't care about Winston. I know that guy probably just need it, you know, quarterback throwing his lineup for the rest of the season. I think James is awful. And I think a lot of people have kind of tricked themselves into what James actually is when they're like crying for him to get traded to every team that needs a quarterback or to come in for Watson when he was like when he wasn't with the backup actually. And, you know, every, every time a quarterback goes down, he'll get Winston, get Winston. I mean, the reason why he was sitting on benches, like he's really bad.

The NFL thinks he's bad. He isn't good. So I doubt he'll get another job. He'll be a backup probably honestly just like back in Cleveland. So for DAC and Hill, I like the deal. I like the DAC side. I think if I'm going to start up right now, I still pick Dak over Hill. They probably go, you know, three, four turn, both of them. We did a startup. Hill was in the fourth and Hill was in the fourth and DAC was in the like late third, I think.

But DAC obviously wasn't hurt yet. But I don't think this should change Dax value much with injury outside of like, obviously if you really need him. even if you even if you had DAC and you lost Dak, I don't really see how this trade like the Hill trade makes sense for you. I just don't like the deal on his side of it.

So I prefer Dak. I think it's a really good deal. And it's also just a, you know, he's a quarterback that's going to hold value. So if you wanted to trade him later, he's going to have more value in a couple months. Right. This is the perfect scenario where I saw it

as an opportunity to possibly flip later for more or just settle in for my quarterback for the next couple years. He is under contract. He does have CD. They are going to have new coaches. So there's an opportunity to bounce back.

Don't be afraid if you're a tweener of like trading a guy like Tyreek. Oh, you could go for 200 yards. That's fine. He's still not going to help your team if he goes for 200 yards. Important to note. Trade not on this list because I forgot about it. I also traded away Derek Carr for a late 25 second or a mid 25 second. Just eating that guy off my roster.

Not going to gain any value no matter what. Only has the opportunity to lose it. nothing is going to help him gain value. So I'm just taking him off my roster. Oh, he's a quarterback. You don't need them, right? Get him off. Pause.

Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Get to the next deal. Get to the next deal. Yeah, we're going to quick transition. I sent, I sent the same manager I sent Tyreek to, I sent Debo and Echler to to kick off this whole thing,

which I didn't talk about, but I'll talk about after. I sent Debo and Austin Echler for his, 27 first as well. So you can really combine these deals as Echler, Debo, Reek, and Winston for DAC, a third, and a 27-first. That's good value to me.

Yeah, I like this Debo deal. Debo, it's Debo and Echler. Echler doesn't matter. He's a zero. That's what I said. So Debo is, he's in any first player at this point. He's going to be 29 going in the off season. He hasn't really moved from like wide receiver 30 something on keep trade cut i know that's where he's around he's just not going to gain much value because of his age and because of the injury stuff and he actually hasn't really performed as well lately

so especially in a rebuild take any first i would actually prefer the first later out later out on a deal like this because he's trading for these win now pieces his team should be good this year it's probably going to be all right next year i like getting that 27 because in 27 that team's probably going to be like absolutely dead so i actually like targeting the 27 when you're sending players of super win now players like debo who i think that's kind of what he is at this point even though he is he's another player like kind of like we're going to talk about DJ more next week they're like buys and sells the same time but debo is a player that you have to get up a first four and no one's going to take a second for so he's like a tweener type

player but I would accept it first in here I like this deal yeah and this deal started out as a 251 straight up from three weeks ago and then I waited I waited it wasn't sure it was going to happen then I sent him a blind 27 one he sent me back 26 I said no I'm not looking for 26. I'm only looking for 27s. They sent it back where he gets Echler to. And I was like, I just don't care.

Like, I just took it. Like, I got what I wanted. And I wasn't going to, like, counterback for a third for Echler, because it was just going to end up being a back and forth,

not necessary. Just get rid of them. Second thought for me. Like, there wasn't even a second thought for me. Just get them out. Um, traded to another insane contender. Uh,

I believe defending champ. His team is like Puka. Jefferson, Chase, Garrett Wilson, London. Like he is, he just has that roster. But he was looking to, for whatever reason, acquired just more points onto his team. So,

he kept asking me for Kelsey for a second and I refused to do it. Refused. So we ended up agreeing on Kelsey Rashad White and Jalen Warren for Sam Leporta and his 27-first. Now his 27-first is it going to be late, probably given that his team

is all sophomore to third year wide receivers it feels like some fourth year but i'd still rather take that shot of either him blowing his team up players getting hurt it just gives you more options it gives you more variables when you push to that 27 so i was okay with it i liked getting leporta back even though his values like a little bit down we can see why he's down he's the type of talent that i don't think a change in offensive game plan is going to kill his value either i think he'll just kind of stay at a top five tight endish for a little while. Maybe I can move him again next year or later this year. We'll see.

But overall, I like this one. I think getting White for a first, like White and Warren for any first I think is good. We've seen the deals for the last couple weeks that we talked about him. I think by 27, White's role is going to look way different. He's going to be a 27 turning 28 year old running back.

Okay, I'm going to be okay. I'm going to not miss him probably. And then getting Kelsey for Leport, to straight up. I think it's just a smash deal that people should make if they're trying to get Kelsey off their roster.

Yeah, that's funny. You know, we came a long way because imagine getting LaPorter and a first in a Kelsey deal just like in September. Exactly. And now we're here. So I like this deal a lot.

I obviously... You're still trying. You're still trying to get that second for Kelsey. And he probably sent that deal six times in different variations. And I was like, it's just not going to happen.

This is what you're going to pay or you're not getting them. And I lied. I said, yeah, I got another deal. deals for Kelsey. It was only one buyer. There was only one buyer for Kelsey.

Don't be that guy. Oh, I did. Don't be the Star Sailman guy. I did. Damn right. Look what I got. Hell yeah. But yeah, I like the deal.

Obviously, prefer Leporta to Kelsey. I know it's a little tough right now with the points. Like, if you were contending, I just don't want to make a deal like this, though, when I'm contending. It's like, I'll just keep Leporta. I'm not going to make my team older if I think it's going to give me some type of edge. I don't like doing deals like this. I think this is where.

we get to over contending. We probably would have just won anyway and kept the youth. So I don't like that deal for him. And then Rashad White and Jalen Warren, White's not a zero, but he's not worth more than like a second and a third probably. And then Warren's like not even worth it too. So I think it's a really good deal.

And it's obviously two players you don't need. And that don't, like you said, who cares if you lose them? You're not going to lose sleep at night, not having Rashad White anymore. And you could probably just buy him back in two years if you wanted to. Exactly. Agreed.

Agreed there. Now keep in mind, you'd be like, oh, don't be that guy. You can't say, keep in mind, all the trades except for the Derek Carr deal were all made within like a 45-minute period. This all happened

very quick. So I, these guys are all competing with each other. Every single one of these guys, except for the guy that I'm about to talk about, because to me, this is the most hilarious of the trades that I made. This was the goal of the whole thing. The like crown jewel. I knew that

this was going to fail if I didn't get this specific pick. You'd be like, oh, Tom, why is that? There could be no way that you can predict. You say all the time, you can't predict a first round pick, X in advance. Yeah, you can. There's a very specific way that you can do that. And we're going to do that with this.

I traded. This is probably the most market deal out of all of them. I traded McCaffrey, DeAndre Swift, and Yoshivas for Cedric Tillman. And this guy's 26. 7 first. Can I just point out, the player I traded these guys too is one spot above me in the standings in 7th. He's a game back of Jacob. He has fewer points four than me and only has a second round pick and two thirds and a fourth between now and 2028. He was the only person that wanted Christian McCaffrey and I got the deal done. This buck took some

master manipulation. But I want to hear about the deal first, and we'll get into the theory as to how it happened to give people an idea of people will say, how would you get a deal like that done? I'll tell you how. I think it's really tough here losing Yoshivas. Oh, get out of here.

I'm going to send you every Yoshivash I have now, just to watch you smash to climb it. I know you don't have any seconds, but... No, I'll play it. I think... So at first, at first glimpse, I think this deal is little like you look at it but damn it looks like an underpay like it looks like you undersold but getting any first to mcalfrey at this point is pretty tough it's i mean i actually sent mcalfrey for et n a couple

weeks ago and it got declined so thank god thank god that got declined so there's just not a big market for cmc at all so getting a first for him and then dandre swift and yosevaas for tilman i think that's good i would rather have tilman than uh dandre swift at this point swift was a player, obviously we talked about at Nauseum, was really bad, then was good, he's bad again. He has a toughest schedule remaining for running backs for the season. He's going to struggle. The offense is terrible. I know they have a new O.C., but he's going to just really, really struggle on the ground. He's going to have to live through catching the ball, and he hasn't been, he's just not going to be good. Hopefully, he'll probably be around next year with the Bears,

but he has a chance to, like, really just lose all his value and his job in this off season, honestly. So I don't, I don't care about him. I think Tillman's the best long-term asset out of those two. Yosevas is a joke. He's terrible. So I think it's just, uh, Tillman, Tillman in the first for McCaffrey and Swift. I like, I like your side of the deal. I do, I do, I can see how people would be like, oh, man, like that trade's terrible. Like, why would you let McAfree go for that? But that's when you have to kind of look at the micro-marketer league and just leagues in general. Like, like McCaffrey's just not a movable player. And he, he's kind of, in most leagues, he's going to, he has two buyers like at most at most two people won him so you're going to have to like eat a little bit on

what it says on key trade cut or whatever like wherever he's ranked i think even like where i haven't ranked um i do i'm doing rankings now shout out to tom on fancy points and i have him ranked as a top 10 running back like even getting top 10 running back prices at this point is really tough but it's also hard to not rank him there because we know what he does and it feels like he's there out of respect yeah and running back is so bad so yeah it's it's also like you could kind of look at like a guy like Derek Henry. Derek Henry's 30 years old and doing what we want, wanted McCaffrey to do this year,

he's still barely get a first for him. And he's been healthy all year and producing all year. So I like this, especially if you're rebuilding and trying to tear down, you need to get McCaffrey after your team before he gets hurt again, which is right now. So I like it. Do you want to hear this is how this went.

Okay, this is how this whole thing started. I was talking to another guy in the league to Baradocs. I was trying to get the guy who's 0-10, doesn't have his own pick because he went all in last year and he blew it. He's got the number one shot at the lottery right now and I tried to get that pick. That was a no-go. And then I was just getting declined. Everyone I was sending trades to in the six spot, the five spot, you know, in the four spot.

They were kind of all declining. The seven spot was declining. I was like, damn, like I'm not going to get this going. And I thought to myself, all I need to do is get one. Because I don't think they believe me when I say I'm trying to sell. I think they just think I'm trying to fleece to reload. That makes sense? Yeah.

Because again, I've been competing in this league for five straight years since day one. So finally, I just said, I just need to get one deal done. I got the Debo deal done. This McAfri got accepted 30 seconds later. He was just waiting to see if I was doing it or not. And then the other deals, they started flooding in. It just took the one. It just took the one.

I started with the one that I already had on the table a couple of weeks ago, changed it a little bit, and went back to work. now why this deal was so important buck this might be a top three bad team that is fake contending do you want to hear this thing and what he has on deck let's hear it okay and when you're wondering like how do you know who to target so this person is five and five now they're 500 they may not seem like an obvious target to go and get their draft picks he was an obvious target I looked at what he had in the future, the moves that he could make, and then I pitted his ability, in my opinion, as a dynasty manager, versus my own, and I liked my own.

I'll tell you why. His draft capital between now and 28 is a 25-fourth, a 26-fourth, that is not his, a 26-4th, a 27-second, a 27-third, and a 27-fourth. That's what he's got in the cupboard. He's seventh in the league in 0.4, and he's 7th second. in the league in standings. Let's keep that in mind. His taxi squad is

Darnell Washington, Theo Johnson, who we'd like, we're going to talk about later, a receiver I've never heard of before. Charlie Jones is on his taxi squad. No idea who that is. He's got guys like Christian Kirk, Brendan Cooks.

He still has Rondell Moore on his IR. Okay. His team starting lineup is golf. all right McCaffrey Kareem Hunt Amin Ross St. Brown Jacoby Myers

George Kittle Josh Jacobs Brian Robinson DeAndre Swift and Tua and the last name I screw up every time so I don't bother

You guys interested in an orphan? You guys are interested in an orphan? He can't He can orphan the team He can't he's not allowed I know where he lives in Winnipeg I'll just beat him up He's not allowed to orphan the team

He's in the home league too And we'd kick him out of there that's the starting lineup. So if you're telling me in 2027 by the end of it, this team is dead. The only moves he can make is moving his upper tier players to gain assets back. And he doesn't have any of his own picks.

So he would have to destroy his team farther to make this team better in the long run. These are the types of rosters you want to attack. The people who are clearly short-sighted have the old roster but are still looking to make a push. now the manager is a good dude he's a good guy he's just an aggressive player and he always he never wants to rebuild he is the these players exist in every league in almost every league there's always that guy that says screw these picks we're gonna less need this thing and try to win it so there are obvious situations where you can predict an early one now i was willing to take the value loss to get it done if tillman hits this trade becomes a fucking smash. No, for sure.

He's like the most important part of this deal right now. Yes. So to me, this team is not fully rebuilt. I still have a couple of assets to move. Right. I got Jake Ferguson. I'm stuck with him. I'll probably never even get a third or a fourth or Zachert.

So he'll probably just die on this team. I do have Bucky Irving. I can get rid of. Diggs is stuck on this team. But he's on the IR. That's the next year play. Dak, he's going to sit on my I. I can't move Slayton for a fourth, but this year I'm taking a loss.

I've only got a late two and my own third. I don't have my 26 second, but I have my 26 first, but now I'm racked up with four, five, 27 firsts. Two of them are going to be high value, a bunch of seconds along the way, and I got moves I can make farther. To me, I took this team from middling right in the middle, top six and points four,

and I tore it down in 24 hours. You heard the man. He said he racked up. Let him cut up. I racked it up. I got stacks. I got one more trade. Hold on.

I got stacks right now, okay? They're just a trust fund that I can't get until 2027. It's collecting interest right now. We like to, you know, hit that savings account. It's not always about immediate returns in the bank account. Sometimes you've got to put it in the savings. Now I take this team and I rename it, rebuild on the sleeper thing. I put it all the way down at the bottom.

And then I just stick it in the savings account and I don't worry about it. It's just what it is. So in a 24 hour and the key to this whole thing was not being afraid of looking like a fool. I had a feeling. Exactly. I had a feeling. If I got one deal done, the rest would follow. I stuck to that plan.

I identified it my crown jewel. I went and got it. Ocean's 11 style. I just snatched that thing up. Shout out to my goat LeBron James. His favorite saying, be comfortable. being uncomfortable. You got to make those type of deals.

Let's go. Exactly. 100%. So that to me, that's a perfect rebuild. It doesn't look perfect now, but I'm not going to feel bad about any of those deals in 2027 because I've committed. And it sucked.

It hurt. I wanted to throw up. I have spent so much time with this roster. I have sent, I think it said over 4,000 messages in this league when I went and looked. Like I have. Yeah. I have been going and.

crazy in this league. It is my second most important league, aside from the home league. This is the dynasty points league of record. I care. I've never won. 4,000 matches. Bro had his yappuccino. Yeah, exactly.

Hell yeah. Just getting deals done and talking in the league. I'm committed. And this one hurt. Does this? I felt this deep in my soul to tear this team apart. I was legitimately sad. I legitimately told my wife about it.

This is a league. I was up to three in the morning arguing the value. have a third in an Ezekiel Elliott trade once, right? Like three years ago. In bed, she's like, could you go to sleep? I had to work still, and we're still working at the shop. It was 5.30, 6 in the morning I had to be up in operating machinery. I'm up at 2, 3 in the morning in bed, getting mad because some dude wouldn't take a third

for Ezekiel Elliott. Like, I care. It's passionate about this league. And it was not easy to tear down. But when you just commit and you're not afraid of it, you can, you can, you can, can get it done. And by God, that team needed to be torn down. So don't be afraid. Start hitting those deals up and doing what you can to set yourself up to succeed. You said you got one more trade. Let's talk about it. I sent the 25-101 for Baker Mayfield. Now I'm playing. Let's get to the

Oh, my God. Let's get to the next thing. Oh, my God. You know, that should have been in the segment at the start of the show. no one's doing that like can i just look we don't throw shade at other brands we don't we stay in our lane right but sometimes there are just things that are so obvious to us we should comment about it don't do that a 29 year old 30 year old quarterback isn't fixing a rebuild if you're a natural 101 and you might go buck what's a natural 101 that can be on an episode for another day we can talk about that next week even write that down actually we should talk about the difference between a natural 101 and an acquired 101, but please don't, if you got the 101 locked up right now,

don't trade it. For the love of God, don't trade it. You probably need it. That's a conversation for another day. We're going to take our last break and we're going to finish this up with players that we have identified what they are going for. We're just going to talk about a few players. You guys know the deal.

And then we're getting into our Savant plays of the week and we're going to get the heck out of here. Hopefully have this wrapped up around an hour. and 20 minutes an hour and a half. We'll see how many more side tangents, Buck and I could get on. Stay in the mix. We'll be right back.

Okay, hopefully the comment section doesn't flame me too bad for that rebuild. I think it's perfection, but I'm also biased, so I can't wait to hear everyone else in the Discord and in the comment section. If you're listening, great. Give us a five star.

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It will not exist. The only place you're going to be able to find it is on the Dynasty Points podcast feed. And if you haven't yet, because this is Sunday morning for you, if you're listening on that feed, it releases Friday morning on the Dynasty Points feed. So you get a couple extra days before the games kick off to get your trade information. Buck, who have you identified? See, we like to sit here and we look at players that we might think might be a buyer cell, players that interest us, and then we go check what they're getting traded for and what their

current value is, and we decide whether or not they are actually a value or not. The first player you have on deck is someone you yelled at me for drafting. You were very rude to me in our startup that we co-managed when I picked him. You called him Zero Ridley and said he couldn't even tie his shoes properly. Now here we are. He's made it under the show sheet. Let's talk about Calvin Ridley. Yeah.

So over the last, so he had zero points on eight targets in week six. And everyone's like, oh, man, like it's over for Calvin Ridley. I called him a zero in the Discord and on here. I thought he was a zero. Since then, since week six, he's had a 30.6 target share, 13.7A. dot, 53.5% air yard share. 31% targets per route run. That's like incredibly elite.

2.57 yards for outrun, super elite. 38% first read, 17.1 fantasy points per game. He has 342 yards. He's fourth in the league since week eight, or week six, sorry. And then his full stats are 23 catches, 342 yards, two touchdowns on 41 raw targets. He is in his age 30 season. He turns 30 on December 20th. So he's not getting any younger.

But I do think he's an interesting player to buy because of his age, even though he's been playing well. He's not really gaining much dynasty value. He's gaining value from like being dropped to being maybe worth like a late second, which I would pay. I think that's fine to pay. He's under contract. He got $90 million guaranteed. But I think he's a perfect player to buy right

now because people are sick at him. He's probably on a team that's not doing well. He's old. You should be able to send a couple thirds, maybe Tavion Wix and two thirds if people care about him anymore. And the player sucks so bad that you probably really need Calvin Ridley right now. And

17 points per game. He's done it. He's also done it with Will Levis last week. And he scored a touchdown on the Chargers. They haven't allowed 21 points on defense all season. So it's their tough to score on. So he hasn't just fees it and bad matchups. I think we should be buying him.

I think we should be buying him right now, at least, even though, like I said, he's old, 30 years old, 30-year-old receiver. People think of him like he's still 27, but he was 25 at Alabama. That's because he's ran like he's 27 since the rookie season. Yeah. he has an opportunity because again he is stuck with Will Levis but the way Callahan

planned the offense the last week I was very encouraged some play action screens to him they were fighting the vertical inbreaking routes the post routes etc very good for him I felt like they were using them properly I mean the data doesn't lie but with that being said let's look at some trades that have gone down for Calvin Redley here as of late I did it from the start of November to today And he is always available, but now people are buying a little bit with confidence. And some of these trades feel like people are getting rid of them just to get rid of them. Let's talk about it.

Calvin Ridley or a 25 second. If you're contending, so you're already like locked into playoffs, I'm fine throwing your own second to get him. I don't want to send someone else a second though. If it's my second, I'm contending, I'm fine with it. Okay. We've got Calvin Ridley and Cam Acres or Keon Coleman and Cion Vaughie. Coleman. I think that's an expensive really right there.

That is an expensive Ridley, I agree. Calvin Ridley or Jalen Coker and Cole Comet. Oh, Ridley, easy. You're not in on the Coker train, hype train that's going all through the interwebs? I want to say his nickname and I don't know if I'm allowed to, so I won't. I like Jalen Coker. Yeah, I didn't. You can say fuck on this podcast.

You can say Cokhead. You're right. So we're Cokeds on this podcast, but he's a he looked really bad on that Germany game. Still getting a lot of targets. A targets gets open a little, but can't catch. Is he the new Don Tavion Wix for getting random value? Now is he also Don Tavion Wix because he can't catch and he just gets open and he sucks. I like him, but and Nicole commenced a zero to me,

maybe it's like some heavy tight on premium, but I'd rather have Ridley here. It's actually a player I could throw in my lineup and score more than five. Exactly. I'm in agreement with you. This one, this one is interesting. Kendra Miller, I think we both agree here, but some people might be surprised. Keep in mind, these are all 12.

team two quarterbacks start 10.510 in a full ppr every time we talk about trades expect that to be the analysis and what it's planned for if you have a league with different settings that's cool you can still apply 90% of the advice and what we're talking about got kendry miller and brand and iuk so your favorite player kendry miller your goat or calvin ridley and cedric tillman man this is a tough one because i don't I don't think it is. I don't think it is, but you go ahead. It is for me because I just don't know what to do with Brandon Ayuk. I don't know.

I don't, he is a sell, but I also don't want to just like eat him because I know how this goes with players have injuries like this. And I just know there's going to be more windows to sell him for at a higher price. Because we'll get the, we'll get the off season thing where it's like he's ahead of schedule. They're never behind schedule. They're always ahead. We'll get that. Okay. And, man, Ridley is like, Ridley is like, Ridley's.

a player to use now, I don't think really has long-term value at all. I just think he's a solid little player for right now. He is 30 years old. Like we just said, he's 30 in a month. Sure. And then it's it comes down to you're selling Ayuk for Tillman and you're just super betting on Tillman. I think I have it ranked that way. I have Tillman ranked ahead of Ayuk. It's a tough one. I'd have to like put my money where my mouth is. I think, I think it's a specific team. I think in Tillman. Yeah, man, I think it really depends. Here's why. Here's why. Let me see if I can make this easier for you. Before IUU got hurt, you couldn't trade him for, no one was taking him for a first and a second. Everyone only wanted to pay the base price of a first. Is his value ever going to get

above where it was going into this year? No. Debo could be gone. They could do something stupid and bring Debo back. Okay, well, now you've got Pearsall scoring his first touchdown looking good, and then you've got Jennings playing the X role as good as Ayuk was. So what is Brandon Ayuk's upside was already capped? Is he a top 10?

Was he a top 10 wide receiver at playing wide receiver in the league? I think so. He's a great player. Upside is capped. Always was capped. He has been the most overdrafted wide receiver for years, in my opinion.

opinion. I tried to get two first from them. Like peak wide receiver boy period. Two first for him. Just signed his contract. All that mess. My brother-in-law thought I was committing family-on-family crime when I sent him that deal. And I was like, no, he's out of his mind. Turns out he was right.

And I was wrong. You couldn't get him for two first. So what's more likely? Brandon Ayuk is still worth the first later. Or Cedric Tillman can be bought for a first. first by the end of the year. Is Brent and Iyuk ever going to get over that that first period on a multiple knee ligament late year? We're not going to see healthy IUC until what is age 28 season? Yeah. I want to take the gamble. I don't I don't disagree. I think it kind of goes back to what

I said a couple podcasts ago. I can't remember who we were talking about. It might have actually been I know it was Rishi Rice, right? Where I was like, doesn't really make sense to trade the player, the hurt player away for the player that's playing that could gain value that we have. haven't seen fully play yet. So if I say I'm taking Ayuk here, I'm going against what I said, right? Not really. Situations, situations can be different. Because Cedric Tillman is a second year player that's getting his first row of run and he's

smashing at it. And if you don't like, obviously IUC is not moving until the off season. His values the exact same. Cedric Tillman could be worth so much by Week 17. He also could crater and come back down to Earth. But I think if you want to take a bet here, I think I think it's a good bet to take. I think sending I yuk for the Tillman deal, I think it's fine. fine. It really depends, though, like, where your team is at, like, how much of a bet you want to make.

Like, if you have IUK is, like, your Wairobi 05 and he's on your IR and you don't even, like, care, like, it doesn't matter. Like, I have a team with IUC, and he's just on my team. Like, it does, him getting hurt didn't affect my team at all because I had a bunch of other players. I think it's fine to keep him on that because, like, what, like, what is, like, how Ridley and Tillman going to do? So I just think it depends. It's a tough one for me because it's, you're betting, like, you're making a really strong bet on Tellman. and you're making a strong bet against Ayuk, which I think both are bets that make sense. So I think it's a fine deal. For me, at the end of the day,

if Iyuk recovers and he's the same as he was, like a 14 point per game wide receiver, right? And with like a couple of smash week upside plays, I get it. I totally get it. But at worst, you're losing a first value on a contending roster. Chances are you're sending your first anyway.

So to me, when you look at it that way, it makes it a lot easier for me to go and do this. And Calvin Ridley could, you know, give you similar wins above replacement, like his war compared to what Ayyuk was giving you anyway. Like if Ridley stays at like 13 to 14 points per game with blowup weeks, like, oh, well, you're just replacing him with older Ayuk type deal.

And now you get the opportunity to potentially get Tillman who smashes. For me, it's not even really a decision for. me I would just pull this trigger yeah I think I think I'm sold on now on okay change changes mine I like that I like that we got Jerome Ford or Calvin Ridley that's just hilarious to me that somebody actually wants forward to me that's just getting points off your roster but doing it like the wrong way and then we get a bunch of 25 seconds bunch of 25 seconds on this list we got a Hollywood brown for Calvin Ridley Calvin Ridley yeah that is a smash for me got Calvin Ridley and Darnell Mooney for Jalen Waddle, a 25 third and a 25 second.

I'm taking Waddle there. Me too. That's a, that's a cheap waddle. So we've got Calvin Ridley, Ben Sinat, and a 264th. What's the deal? You keep saying, and instead of or. It's Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley for Ben Sinat and a 26th.

I'm sorry. Ridley. Jeez, Louise. I agree. That's Ridley for me. So he's definitely buyable. We should be buying and you can get creative. So I love that.

Let's look at a couple of tweener players on rosters where I don't think they have the opportunity for their values to significantly move up. So I've kind of grouped these players together and some people might turn their head sideways at me for one of them. But let's talk about Rashad Bateman, a 14.4, a dot, a 27.4 air yard share, 15.6% target share, which is not good. A 70% targets per route run, which is you so eloquently put, that's more ass. 15.4% first read a 10.6 fantasy points per game and 8.2 expected fantasy points per game coming off a huge game

with the touchdowns which was great but we know what his role is and we know that he can't see in the sunlight and cost the Ravens the game against Cleveland. Yes, I'm blaming him for that. He had two drops there. I'm not over it. I'm still bitter. Rashad Bateman is a point.

player. I'm just selling for anything I can get. Anything. I'm just selling them. You're not confidently putting them in your lineup ever. I'm just selling for anything I can get. Package them up with a third to go get a second if you can. We see desperation plays all the time.

Get him off your roster, in my opinion. This is just like a no-brainer. Oh, he's always open. That's great. He doesn't earn targets. He's a big play merchant. To me, he's just like Jameson Williams. I know that like for two weeks I bought in on this JMO thing because

I listened to outside pressure and people in our discord popping in to fight me on it pulling old receipts and at the end of the day I was just right anyway so I should have just stuck to that and I'll continue to do that moving

forward but Bateman is just that same archetype of player not an elite target earner deep ball merchant touchdown guy I want them I want them off my team I want him off my team. He's one of the most annoying players to have

because you can't cut them and you can't get anything for him. So I would just take any third. I can just have the roster spot. I know that's the thing where he gets open. He's such a good player. I mean, I don't know, 17% targets for outruns like really bad.

So I think, and we can blame it on the offense forever. He's not leaving that offense anytime soon. He got extended. It's the best offense in football. And this is just what he is. He is an 8.2 expected fantasy points per game player on the best offense in football.

that enough said 14.4a. He's Gabe Davis from the bills when Gabe Davis is on the bills that's what he is at this point. Yeah, we've got deals like this. Kirk Cousins for Rashad Bateman at 25 and 2 thirds. I got confused again. Could you say four?

I did say four. No, you did. Back, I said four. I said Kirk Cousins for Rashad Bateman and 225 thirds. Oh, yeah. I was confused because like that's a cheap-ass Kirk Cousins. Why are we selling Kirk Couss that cheap?

That's what I'm saying. Rashad Bateman or Christian Kirk Christian Kirk Same I agree I think Kirk plays elsewhere Rashad Bateman for James Winston This is like

This is just like I need a quarterback trade I'm fine if you need a quarterback To throw him for Winston's fine Okay we've got a third and two fourths in 25 For Shah Bateman All the picks Yeah exactly This is just get them off your roster

I love this deal structure Najee, Bateman, Shakir, and a 25 third for a 25 first round pick. I like that. That's perfect. That's like, that's the four-quarters for a dollar type, type of deals that you can get first for in season like this,

because first are less valuable to people, especially they're trying to win. That's perfect. You look back at that deal like in a year, or not even a couple months. I've seen those deals happen. I've done those deals. I've even been on the wrong side of deals like that.

So I think that's a really good structure of a deal to get a pick. I'm going to end Bateman's stretch because I think we spent too much time on them. I'm going to end it with the most absurd trade you've ever heard of. Chuba Hubbard and T. Higgins. This is the all buck team.

For Joanne Jennings, Darnow Mooney, Rashad Bateman, and Jerry Judy. Man, that's disrespectful. What the hell is that? That's two goats right there for a bunch of zeros. Get out of them. Buy T. Higgins. We're back. We're back to buy T.

higgins you're never off by teagin uh i like joan jennings don't get me wrong but yeah that is a that is a lopsided as hell deal let's talk about if we can move courtland sutton because he is doing pretty well actually considering everyone wrote him off for dead myself included some interesting deals for him that we're going to get into in a minute you got a 23.2 percent target share that's really good. 25% targets per route run really good. 40% air yard share killer. 1.9 yards per route run.

Not really getting downfield, which is funny as to why he's so high in air yard share. That's kind of funny to me. He's the first read 32% of the time, which is really good. He's got a 12.1 fantasy points per game, really good. And since his zero versus Carolina, 20.1 fantasy points per game,

weeks 8, 9, and 10. He's going to keep playing because everyone else around him is the ass. I don't care what Sean Payton said about Marvin Mims being Debo. He might have to start using as a running back because he's an ass wide receiver. He is terrible and he knows it. Probably getting pressure from management to get him on the field even.

But we'll see. There's only one Debo. It wasn't Jaden Reed either. It's certainly not Marvin Mims. So what do we do? Do you try to sell Sutton knowing that this is probably his swan song? He looks slow. He's a big body contest receiver.

His knee injuries really sapped away. A lot of his athleticism. Yes, he burned the chiefs. Yes, he pushed off, like quite obviously. You don't just gain seven yards of separation out of nowhere. He pushed off, but whatever. What do we do? Even on a contender, you should probably be trying to sell Cortland Sutton.

I kind of disagree. I think you should hold him because... Interesting. He doesn't have any value. Even though he's scoring points, he still doesn't. He's 29 years old. I think his birthday is in October, so he's in his age 29 season. He's scoring 20 points per game, even for the whole season 12 points per game, and that's

with a zero. The players are so ass. Like the players this season are so bad and they're so hurt that you really can't afford to trade a player like court in a son for what you would get, what, a couple thirds, maybe you get a late second probably not it's probably a couple thirds or something i just keep him and play him and he's going to have a role next year i think and the injury the knee injury definitely zapped him he was on pace to be i really think like a super elite player after his second season i really i was big fan of his i think he's really good he looks the best he's ever looked since then this year he does look good you say he looks slow i mean he is

like a fat ex-receiver yeah that is what he is but i think he looks i think he looks a lot better than he has at least since like since the knee. And he obviously has a quarterback he's going to be with for a few seasons. I know they could trade him after the season, but I don't think so. I think you just keep him and just write out the production because what you're going to get isn't really worth losing him unless you can get someone to pay out for him. But I mean, I have him on teams and I don't get any offers for him. No one wants him. The best you would probably get as a second. I say take that, I guess. But if it's anything lower than that, I'll just hold and just play him and see what happens. he's been really good.

I think I'm looking to package him and move him to somebody else who's also contending. Like, I don't week to week. This is one of those plays where I want my long-term value for a very short-term solution because that's just what he is. Do I think he'll continue to

do this? No. And not at all. One of those games is Baltimore. Like, let's, the defense is the definition of ass. The best matchup you could possibly have. I think that matters too. But let's talk about some of the trade situations

and what value Cortland Sutton has because this is what he's going and I think you should move him. Cortland Sutton and a 26, 273rd for Jordan Addison. Wow, this is a cheap Addison. We're really disrespect Madison. We're going to have to talk about him next week because I have

some Addison stuff. So we'll talk about him next week. That's a cheap Addison. Okay. We've got a 25 second for Cortland Sutton. That's like I said. That's like the sweet spot. I think take the second And if you don't need them, if you need them, I think it's fine paying a late second. Corlin Sutton and a 27 second. Same thing.

I don't care about the years. Okay. Cortland Sutton or Kamani Vidal, a zero. Jerry Judy and 274th. Cortland Sutton. I agree there. Ben Sinat and Cortland Sutton or a 25 second and a 25 fourth. That's the same thing because I don't really value Sanat.

I think I would take Sanat and Sutton. That's the day around the, yeah. Okay. Cortland Sutton and Kyron Williams or Caleb Williams Oh Caleb We're disresacting Caleb like that

That's what I'm telling you man You can package Cortland Sutton up And go and get some insane value We've got Cortland Sutton And Will Levis or Dak Prescott I actually think this is a deal That is doable

Crazy enough I would do this if I'm a contender And stack DAC on my IR Yeah I would do this too I think actually like It sounds ass and it kind of is I do think you could get someone to do that who just lost Dax. I like that deal. I saw Dack get traded for Bryce Young.

And, oh my God, I was so mad about this trade. I can't remember who the terrible wide receiver. There's a terrible wide receiver valued less than like Christian Kirk and Bryce Young for DAC. And I almost threw up. I paid expensive DAC in terms of the deals. It turns out, maybe I'm ass. I don't know.

But apparently I overpaid. But you've got Cortland Sutton in a 20, 6 3rd for 2 27 seconds from today. Yes, easy money on the second. Trade away Cortland Sutton and see what you can get. Because like Buck said, 20 points for game from weeks 8 to 10. The offense is booming. Bo Nix is doing his thing.

So happy I was on that train early. I got into another argument, not an argument, but a conversation and another discord today where they were like, yeah, but talk about Xavier Worthy's like, yeah, but who was really drafting Bo Nix ahead of him? And I went, me! I was proudly. Like, God, people.

We can't let these first, like, top 10, top 12 pick. I don't know where it was drafted, actually, but high enough that I wasn't letting him get out of the first round. Just stop it. More often than not, you're not getting Kenny pick it. Like, let's stop it. I think he was pick 12. Even Pennix.

Penix, I was smashing it like 210, 2,00 and 203. Smash pick, easy pick. He's already gained value. So, yeah, go trade. Cortland Sutton because you can get it's out there. Not saying in your league, I get it, but it can be out there. The last one, because I wrote him up early in the season, the first couple of weeks, people have been just barking at me about him.

I'm still trading away Terry McLorn. I'm still going to do it. 16th and points per game. He's got a 15.3 point per game. It's coming off a 13.4, I expected fantasy points per game. He's 29 years old. There's an out in his contract for 2025. they're going to bring in more wide receivers

to help their young quarterback grow because we know good, well, hard to say the commanders are a good franchise after years of being ass. But here we are. 29 years old in 2025, he has an $11.2 million cap hit that probably gets restructured or something.

The free agent at age 31, he's not going to go up in value. He's wide receiver. 25 on keep trade cut he is ahead of jalen waddle josh jacobs trevor lawrence to uh that is a glaring sell to me in super flex super flex titan premiums sell sell sell sell you're gonna give me a plus on top of those guys too because he is ranked ahead if people are caring about the general market sell he's that he's got games with two touchdowns two catches two touchdowns for like 17 yards get off my roster he is he's living on touchdowns and some big plays

he didn't have a good game where he went against the Steelers at seven catches for 100 plus yards. I get it. Those games are going to happen for sure. He's getting priced around the George Pickens territory. And that to me is a mistake at 29 years old. Sutton is producing what Terry McLaurin is the last three weeks at 20 points per game.

And he's valued this high. This is when I wrote him up, I said, wait for the big games and sell them at his maximum them value here we are here we are i you got to move him i agree i agree that he's a sell i do think he's kind of like i just believe he's hard to sell at least in like like not my league but least in leagues were in if you can get any first you take it he was a worth a second that people didn't want to pay before uh because his first first couple games of the year he's gotten like his production is fluky it's really every ever i have him in a league and i play him every week and and every week it's

like i'll see five targets and somehow he has 125 yards until he catches he does have a 22% target share though which i was kind of shocked by obviously the offense just weird i don't even think he has a double-digit game all year but i believe he's a sell if you can get i don't know if you can get some of the players that tom said around a cute trade cut but if you can get a first definitely and i think you could get a first in a lot of leagues i laughed at people when they try to send me uh jay mclor for a first a few months ago oh a few weeks ago but what are the trades so when we do these i don't look up the trades beforehand I feel like that's important to tell people.

Like the point of this bit is we give our opinion and we see if they're real or not and see if we're full of shit or not. Like that's the point of this entire bit. Let's talk about some Terry McLaren trades here, Buckaroo. Terry McLaren or Jordan Addison. Jordan Addison. Again, cheap Jordan Addison. Although not technically. I could see that one.

I could see that one. Here we go. Jonathan Taylor or Terry McLaren. bro there's that's not a real trade i it's here brandon i yuk in a fourth or terry mccloren that's the same uh terry mcclaren argument i think having terry mcclern there's fine again i don't want to get into the i yuk argument again terry mccloren or a 26 first oh any first any first that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying uh Tucker craft and a 26 first or terry mcclorn in a 26 second insane craft in the first this is tough though

I'll say, like, that's what I'm saying. This is where we, but it is kind of tough, like, with what we just talked about Sutton, the players are so bad that when you have McClorant, it's like really hard to trade him if you're trying to win. Like, I want to value. And I agree. We talked about this like, I think last week, where it's like you have to really make a decision on what you want to do. You're going to have to trade players at their peak value, even though they're scoring points for you and kind of eat that in the long run. Like I did with Mike Evans in the league we talked about last week and Alvin Kamara.

You're going to have to deal with that because you're never going to get more. more than Terry McClearn right now, and this is also the time you need him the most. So you're going to have to eat that and just send him, and you're probably going to end up sending him to your top contenders. That's another thing. We can talk about a thing that piss me off. I don't want to get on a side tangent. But don't be scared to trade to the other top teams when you're trading players.

I see that all the time. Like, I tried to buy James Connor the other day. He wanted a second. And he's like, I just can't trade him to you because you're my top competition. It doesn't make any sense. If you want a second, here's a second. Like, just trade them to whoever. Don't worry about that.

worrying about who you're trading him to and who's like if you think James Connor or like a Calvin really is going to swing a championship then your team's probably not good enough anyway. So that's what I'm saying about Terry McLaren. Like if Terry McLaurin gets hurt tomorrow, you're like, there's my season. I got to rebuild. No. And if he is, you weren't a real contender. This isn't like a CD Lamb getting completely nerfed.

CD Lamb getting completely nerfed is a legitimate league changing play. But for these prices? Yeah, I'm training Terry, Terry McLaren. If I want to be on a defending team. I just would. Breece Hall in a third or Terry McLaren in a second. That's insane. I bet we could.

I bet we could buy Bruce right now. That's a good one. We'll have what are we doing here? I don't. Why? It hurts. Tyler Lockett and Terry McLorn for Brandon Ayuk in a third. Three days ago.

I just finished shitting on Iyuk would still take him here. I just finished doing it. we got Matthew Stafford and Terry McCorn or Jaden Reed and a 25 second. These are insane. These are actually like insane deals. These are trade deadline contenders needing players. That is what this is. Yeah.

And Terry McCorn has a huge name. Like we've been waiting for this Terry McClorn thing for years. Yeah. He's been the like, oh, he's a top five receiver, but he just hasn't had the quarterback. Jaden Daniels is doing a lot of heavy lifting here because people see Daniels, see McClorn. I said, oh, he's locked into McDaniels. He's locked into Daniels for years. So he's really helping Terry's value,

even though, like I said, some of the productions like super fluky. He's not getting consistent targets. Probably getting a new offensive coordinator because someone is going to slip on the banana peel and hire Cliff Kingsbury. And they're going to bring in someone else. Lou McAfree is actually pretty good. They're just not playing

him. Like all of his numbers look good. So, yeah. Yeah, he get him out. Like at the beginning of this, segment you were like i don't know if you can do it this what i'm talking about i this confirmed for me looking at the trades from the last couple of days to me that this is a signal you need to go and start asking around because oh my lord all right that's it for the players that we had this week we spent a lot of time working on the rebuilding and things we can do we give you quite a few options a couple of players

on these tweeners players around them go and check in your leagues where they're sitting couple savant plays and we're going to get heck out of here let's start with yours Andy who is your savant play of the week so I have to I have some ground to make up so I've been getting clipped on savon play for two weeks even though I did make my savon play last week was Michael Pennix he's not playing isn't count I still count that as a double keep in mind it's not just for points this week for sure it is for value and you know we're our dynasty show so it is for that but my my savon play this week I did have two but I'm just going to go with one

because I'm going to save the other one for next week. Hopefully he doesn't have 50 points and it's too late. But my Savant play this week is Jalen Warren, or I think he's a good buy right now. Before Harris, Najee Harris got hurt in the fourth quarter of last week's game. He had a 42% snap rate. Harris had 14 carries. Warren had seven. And the routes run were Warren 10, Harris 7.

He is the RB 43 on keep trade cut. And since returning from injury in week 6 to 10, he had a buy in week 9, he's ran 51 routes on 129 dropbacks. That's 40%. 43% of snaps. He has 11 targets, 10% share. Naji in that same spans, 50% of snaps. He has a 51% rush share. I forgot to say Warren's is only 28. You don't really expect him to get a bunch of carries. And then Noggi's only ran 36 routes and 129 dropbacks, 27.9% of dropbacks, which is bad. And then a six targets, only 5% share, really bad.

So Warren's back to his role of being that past catching scatback guy that has a lot of juice. He looked really awful at the season because he was injured. Seems to be fully past that. He has burst again. I like buying him because I still think you probably could buy him for a third or you can buy him for something really, really cheap. I don't think he should cost you a second. He was barely a second coming into the season when people thought he could take over for Najee, which was just never going to happen.

I also don't think he'll take over for Najee. If Najee was to leave, they would add someone he's going to have his role. But I like buying Warren because I think he's at least going to be usable. For the rest of the season, he has a lot of room to grow, especially in the off season too, because even when Naji, if Naji leaves, he'll have value for like a second. We could sell him. So I like buying Warren right now. I don't hate that.

I just traded him away. So that's fun. But no, I think you're right. And he's acquirable. And if Naji walks, I mean, Naji, you know, Warren's got an opportunity. I think it's going to be one of the situations. Like, I know the Steelers don't pay the running backs. But I think Noggi is like a guy that would take a deal to stay in Pittsburgh.

I just feel like. I think like a two for 19 or something. Yeah. I think it would be three. I think you would go three, a fake four. year deal ends up being three for like 23 or 24 with like 11 guaranteed. I could see. I could see that too. I could see that too. But either way I think

he's gonna he was he was a you know so what do we call it? Um, not individual value standalone value. There you go. It's standalone production last year in games when they both played. So I like that call. I like that pick. That's not bad. To be fair, I also like the other one as well. But My savant play of the week Before everyone catches up Is Audrick Estime

I talked about him on the DFS early look With Jake Tribby on Monday And hinted that he was going to pop up on this show Also briefly mentioned it On the other Dynasty Points podcast I've been waiting to talk about him this week Still possible chance to buy Because people could be slow

To the rookie playing He had a tough matchup And he handled business He is fully back from his injury That he had this year And I am buying aggressively I did clown him early in the year. He tried to do that stupid running back hurdle in a pile thing that people do

and got the ball punched out. But I did clown him for that, but that was funny. As I wrote this up, he was currently RB 49 on Key Trade Cut by an Isaac Arendo and Marshaun Lloyd. If you could do me a favor buck and look that up now, but that's when I wrote this. That to me is egregious. That stands alone as a buy in week 10.

He had 14 of the 17 backfield carries, 65% of the backfield expected fantasy points for more routes than Jaliel McLaughlin, three to two. Two of three backfield red zone opportunities. To me, look, he's not a big pass catcher. That's not what he did in college. He'll have he had 18 touchdowns at Notre Dame,

which is a season high for any player. And they've been playing football for a while. He's RB 41. RB 41. So he's already gaining value, but he's still only RB 41. That to me is a buy. Let's punch him in here because I'm now interested if he's gaining this much value, where that value is going.

So I see a second round pick in here. That's a little rich. But you got Shaheed and Estimate for Mooney. Quentin Johnson for Estimate straight up. A couple of seconds. Estimate in a third for Chuba. Estimate for Demario Douglas. So he's already moving up.

If your league is slow, I got J.K. Dobbins. Like I would kind of want out on Dobbins. we saw what happened with Gus Edwards when he came back. So for me, I'm okay buying. A second is a little rich, but I would just try to find second adjacent value and use that.

But to me, my savant, he's just the type of player that I think is going to do nothing but gain value as we go. Speaking of wanting to get out on Dobbins, do you want a bonus statistic? Also, it ties into our Justin Herbert arguments. And the people trying to come at me

and tell me that I was wrong that Greg Roman wasn't ruining this offense. Let's talk about it. From Mark Duncanbring or at Mark Dank on Twitter, he quotes, maybe the answer to the Chargers variance in pass rate over expectation is Gus Edwards.

The Chargers pass rate over expected has wildly been different with Gus Edwards active. Pass rate in games with Edwards, 7.1%, 14.3, 12.7, 6.9. 10.3. Negative, by the way.

That's negative 7, negative 14, negative 12, et cetera. Not great. That's not great, Bob. Pass rate over expected

in games without Edwards, negative. 0.2%. So still bad. Plus 2.3, plus 5.4, plus 2.4.

Apparently, Gus Edwards is what makes this team tick. He unlocks the passing game. Gus, well? Tell me, tell me that Greg Roman

doesn't love every former Baltimore Ravens running back he ever had. Like, this is why I said Vidal wouldn't be a real player. Because they brought in two running backs that Greg Roman loves and knows and will use, period. So apparently when they have two backs that they can just

slam into the A gap, they don't want to throw the football. So there you go. There's your answer. Gus Edwards healthy, Herbert, and the rest of the offense bad. There you go. Done. That will solve the equation. That was early in the year, though.

I do think they had to switch after the buy. Edwards got hurt. It just came back. Yeah, but this one. Look at the last three weeks. Herbert's attempts have gone down significantly. It was like, yeah, out of the buy, 35 times 32, 33, and it's like 18, 21. It's gone down again.

Free time. He's back to, you know, touchdown efficiency without the volume. Upside is capped. He's still on the Sam Darnold line of production possibility week to week. That's disgusting. Free time. Mark Ingram coming out, a retirement to play for the sheet. the charges next week.

It's going to be like what they did in Baltimore. Kenyon Drake's going to pop up. You're going to see Melvin Gordon back in getting carries for the first time and what feels like a decade except the last time he played for Baltimore. Lev Bell, he's going to come back and play for this team before they let the Herbert let it go. I don't know. Buck Allen.

Buck Allen. He's coming back. That's a good callback. Willis McGahey's coming back. No. Yeah, it just, it's funny to me,

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