Fantasy Football Daily - Tom Brady Retirement Fallout | Two-Point Stance Podcast

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

With Tom Brady retiring from the NFL, it leaves a huge hole in not only the Tampa Bay Buccaneers lineup but creates a ripple effect throughout the league and fantasy football.  Where does Aaron Rodgers get traded to?  Will Lamar Jackson be traded?  Can Derek Carr sign somewhere relevant?  So many questions and our team of Joe Dolan (@FG_Dolan) and Brian Drake (@DrakeFantasy) give their takes on who lands where.  Plus, we look at the top 5 fantasy games from Tom Brady's career.   The 30% off early bird special at FantasyPoints.com ends on Super Bowl Sunday.   *** MAKE SURE TO CHECK YOUR iTUNES SUBSCRIPTION TO ENSURE YOU ARE GETTING THE LATEST SHOWS FROM FANTASY POINTS *** BRADY'S TOP FIVE FANTASY GAMES EVER, INCLUDING PLAYOFFS, RANKED BY DK POINTS  5. Week 17, 2022, Bucs 30, Panthers 24 (last full regular-season game of Brady’s career) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SNhZ... Brady 40.7 DK FP 34/45, 432 yards, 3 TD. Added 3/4/1 rushing (Brady sneak!) – Came back from 14 down, Evans all three touchdowns (63 yards, 57 yards, 30 yards) Evans 10/207/3 – 51.7 DK FP, best game of Evans’ career Godwin 9/120  Outdueled Sam Darnold who threw for 341 and 3 TDs   4. Week 5, 2021, Bucs 45, Dolphins 17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0cdO... Tua is hurt, Brissett starts for Miami  Brady goes 30/41 for 411 and 5 TD, also 40.7 DK FP Antonio Brown 7/124/2 Evans 6/113/2   3. Week 7, 2007, Patriots 49, Dolphins 28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mA3... Brady was 21/25 for 354 and 6 TD, 5 in the first half, 41.2 DK FP  Welker 9/138/2 Moss 4/122/2 Stallworth 3/51/1 Kyle Brady caught the other TD, Brady to Brady  The legendary Cleo Lemon started for Miami   2. Divisional Round, 2011 Season, Patriots 45, Broncos 10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaiFs... Brady 26/34, 363 yards, 6 TD, 1 INT, 41.3 DK FP  Gronkowski 10/145/3 Deion Branch 3/85/1 He who must not be named 4/55/1 Welker 6/55/1  TEBOW! 9/26 for 136 yards. Last game as a Bronco before Peyton   1. Week 6, 2009. Patriots 59, Titans 0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A7cJ... BLIZZARD IN OCTOBER!! BIGGEST BLOWOUT IN NFL HISTORY.  Brady 29/34, 380 yards, 6 TD, 42.2 DK FP  Moss 8/129/3 Welker 10/150/2 Kevin Faulk 3/54/1  Kerry Collins went 2/12 for -7 yards and a pick, Vince Young 0/2 with a pick  Also of note, Brady’s two best fantasy games in losses… both to the Eagles!   #NFL #TomBrady #FantasyFootball #SuperBowl #Brady #AaronRodgers #LamarJackson #DerekCarr --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A transition there, Drake, wow. That's why, you know, that's why they backed up to brink truck to get me over here to FantasyPoints.com. So Tom Brady goes out, he retires. Tom Brady after 23 season, the NFL finished with, let me hit you with some of these numbers, folks. Seven times Super Bowl champion, five times Super Bowl MVP, three time NFL MVP, 15 time Pro Bowl. I want to see Tom Brady out there doing the long drive contest and playing Dodgeball, by the way. Three time first team all pro, two time offensive. player of the year. Plus, he holds so many records, including games started, wins by a

quarterback, most passing yards, completions, touchdowns, a million Super Bowl records, including number of touchdown passes, completions, game winning drives. You know the story. Tom Brady's the man. So what we're going to do here is not just wax poetic about Tom Brady, but there's a lot of tentacles to this, Joe, a lot of ripple effect because now the Tampa Bay Buccaneers need a quarterback. We know that he was rumored to be going to Las Vegas. Oh, by the way, they've jettisoned Derek Carr. They're going to need a quarterback. And we've got to see where Aaron Rogers fits in all this.

You had an interesting trade scenario on Twitter today. So let's unpack this time, Brady thing. First and foremost, were you surprised when Tom announces retirement? Because we all thought he was going to stick around to go to the radio. I was a little surprised because I thought he was going to play this year. I thought he wanted to try to get another great year out. But maybe he also sat here and was like, I just don't want to have another terrible year. Obviously, he's going through a lot of personal turmoil.

He probably had his worst season, you know, since he got hurt, really. Maybe that last season in New England wasn't all that hot either. But maybe he just decided he's been under enough stress this year and he decided to hang it up. Like, I mean, you can't deny he had a phenomenal career. And I'm not going to question his motivations or lack thereof. I mean, the guy had just an out. outrageous career. I was a little bit surprised, but when a 46-year-old quarterback retires, Drake, I don't think you can consider it a surprise. This isn't like Barry Sanders.

Yeah, and Brady ended his age 45 season with 4,694 yards, only 25 touchdown passes. That's the fewest he's thrown since 2019 when he threw 24. But I thought he could still play. He just didn't want to get hit. And that was very apparent in a lot of games out there. and maybe going to a Las Vegas, he figured, you know what, their defense stinks. The line's not great. I'm going to get murdered out here, even though it's cool as I play for the Raiders. But maybe there just wasn't a good option. There wasn't a good fall by plan for him for anywhere else to go.

No, I just don't think there was. I mean, the Raiders is where I thought he was going to go. He would have found work somewhere. But, yeah, look, the guy was the best ever. I'm not going to sit here. There's so many Boston writers and even Tampa writers who have done so much better putting it into words, how great he was. And we'll put our own little spin on that at the end of the podcast. I have a fun little exercise for us to do about that.

But I think what I think Tom Brady just decided right now, you know what? In 2014, I said, I'll retire when I suck. And I think Tom Brady maybe deep down expected himself to suck earlier than 2022. And this year, maybe he started feeling it slip a little bit. And he decided, that's enough. I'm done. Let's get my life together. Let's go broadcast.

I don't think, by the way, we have not seen the last of Tom Brady. I think broadcasting, maybe doing something similar to what the mannings do if he's not a traditional broadcaster is in the cards. But it's time for him to just hang it up. He's done everything there is to do. And the only thing that was keeping him going was. an addiction to football. Probably harder to break than in general, but then, uh, than anything else. Uh, but maybe this year he took a couple too many hits and was like it's time. I don't really want to see Tom Brady as Tony Romo who's got his own problems now.

You can talk about that at some point. I don't want to see him become John Madden or or one of these other guys. Like that just doesn't Michael Jordan didn't step away and then, you know, sit next to Marv Albert. Like I don't, that's not what Tom Brady should be. be doing in my mind. I don't think he'd be good at it either. No, maybe, maybe he will be. I don't know. It's, it's possible that Tom Brady is a savant and he fills the void that I guess Tony Romo did for like two years and now doesn't anymore. And maybe he's just milk toast, but he certainly will bring some star power to a broadcast. I just, I'm having a hard time putting into words the NFL without Tom Brady. And I think deep down, you know,

there's there's this weird thing. Brady's obviously got a lot of haters. I mean, when you kick everybody's ass for 25 years, that's going to happen. I never was one of them. And I'm not trying to elevate myself above, you know, people who can't stand Tom Brady. Like, dude, I don't know. It's our show. We can. Elevate yourself, please. Yeah, I hate the New York Mets. You know, I hate them. I don't want to see them have success, you know. I hate the Boston Celtics. I hate the Pittsburgh Penguins. I should probably not say this because it's a football podcast, but screw it, I hate the Dallas Cowboys. Now, I try to be objective in my fantasy football analysis,

and I think I do a good job of that. C.D. Lamb was one of my most drafted players all year. But I never had that for Tom Brady, and it's probably because my team didn't have problems getting out of the AFC. They had their own problems defeating Jake Dallone and Brad Johnson in back-to-back years getting out of the NFC. I wasn't a Jets fan, you know. I wasn't a Bill's fan who,

whose team went 33 and 3 against Brady, or 3 and 33 against Brady. But, you know, there's just a level of respect I have for Brady. I don't ever think he was the most exciting player to watch. You know, I guess there is a subsect of people on YouTube who love watching surgery. Find it fascinating. Find it very technical.

Find it so incredible. I guess watching Brady was like watching surgery. And when the Patriots were ripping up the league in 2007 with Randy Moss teams, I guess watching Brady was like watching an unbelievably gross but fascinating surgery. Like, whoa, you have got to see this. And but, you know, I don't think he turned, I don't think many people turn on as many highlight reels as they do for Mahomes or they do for Michael Vic or they do for Josh Allen. But that's just greatness, man.

Tom Brady was great. He was from a fantasy perspective, incredible. And I think from an NFL perspective, we'll get to more of the fantasy perspective later, but from an NFL perspective to move the conversation forward, this leaves a void in this offseason, you and I talk just last week about the quarterback movement. We both thought Brady was going to the Raiders. So this leaves a void where maybe it was the Raiders, maybe it was the dolphins, maybe it was the 49ers, where a team who thought there was going to be an opportunity, if Tom Brady's or starting quarterback isn't going to have that opportunity this year. And that creates a domino effect. Starting, of course, Drake with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yeah, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I don't know if this

has been updated yet on SpotRack, but they have been a lot of work to do. The Tampa Bay is 31st in the league in available cap space for 2023 at negative 55 million. Now, you know, doing my crude research here, Brady retiring helps them, but he's still a cap hit of somewhere between 13 and 18 million. So it's going to help him a little bit, but they've got to find somebody out there. They've got the 19th overall pick. That's not going to land you in the lead starting quarterback, not in this draft by any means. So what do we think happens with this team?

They're going to be in that, I think, Derek Carr-type market now, maybe a Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones is going to get paid, folks. Like all these dominoes keep falling and Daniel Jones is a free agent. Let me throw another name at you. I think this is perfect. What about Jimmy Garapolo? Jimmy Garapolo, you know, was followed him in New England,

went out and made his mark out in San Francisco. You can probably get Jimmy G, I guess, sort of cheaper than market. you coming off the injury and all that, I think Jimmy G would slide in there, and this is still a playoff quality team. Yeah, so here's the issue. And look, everybody's like, the salary cap's fake. Yes and no. Even teams who are a million, a billion dollars over the cap, a million dollars over the cap, that's not so bad. Even teams who are a billion dollars over the cap, find a way to get under it. But part of the complicating issue here is the buccaneers are $55 million over the cap as of right now. That's the second highest over the cap total in the league

the Saints who are perpetually last in the league in cap space. Is there a point here? And I'm talking about, you know, if we're looking at the dynasty value of somebody like Chris Godwin, the dynasty value of someone like Rashad White, the dynasty value of someone like Kate Otten who came on there this year, is there a chance that the Buccaneers blow this up and try to say, we knew what we were getting into when we signed Tom Brady. We got everything we possibly could. And don't tell me there isn't a Buccaneers fan out there

who wouldn't have signed up for three playoff appearances and a Super Bowl victory with Tom Brady in three years, okay? Not a single one of them would not sign up for that. Is there a chance that they're like, you know what, Mike Evans, we're trading. Leonard Fournett, we're trading them. Young players on defense or veteran players on defense, we're trading them. And we're going to try to say we brought Brady,

in here knowing it wasn't a long-term solution to get our team a championship, we accomplished that. Now it's time to pay that check. And do you trade Mike Evans now? You and I already detailed multiple teams who need that receiver. The Dallas Cowboys need a second receiver. The Buffalo Bills need a second receiver. The Kansas City Chiefs need a first receiver. So there are so many teams who would be interested in the Mike Evans. And Mike Evans coming off what is his 10th consecutive 1,000-yard season to open his career, how many more opportunities are you going to have to get a high draft pick for a Mike Evans? So that's the other complicating factor I have here. Or do the Buccaneers just think, you know, Evans, we still think it's on the back end of his prime. Godwin's in the thick of

his prime. We've got this good young back. We had some bad luck with the offensive line, but we think that's going to be pretty good. And we think Jimmy Garoppolo can come in here and win a weak division. I'm not really sure where I stand on that, but when you look at this roster compared, You know, if they have better injury luck this year, especially on the offensive line, they probably are the best team in that division still, depending on who the quarterback is. So there's a whole lot of ways this can go with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And I'm not really sure which way I lean on that right now. Yeah, you made a lot of good points there.

And as I scroll through the list of potential free agent quarterbacks out there, people who could realistically come in and start for you, it's not going to be Baker Mayfield, it's not going to be Sam Darnold. It comes down to Garapolo. They're not going to have money to want. want to pay Daniel Jones, Gino Smith will stay where he is. And then you're looking at, you know,

geez, it gets, it gets dark quick, as they like to say. I mean, you're not going to get Lamar. I mean, after that, it's, there's nothing. It's really, they're in a tough spot of, they kind of have to get Jimmy Garapolo at this point. And you're picking in the first round, so it's not going to be that pretty. So, yeah, I mean, Buccaneers,

I think, I think if I were then, I'd probably I'd probably trade Mike Evans, but I don't know if they're going to look at that division and say that's the right thing for them to do. And it's fascinating. They probably wish they would have known this earlier. So then they could have been in a new market for a head coach. So then you can get a new head coach, new quarterback maybe. Imagine this. You've already got if you are the Buccaneers, you've got your pick 19th overall. Then you make a trade. You trade away Mike Evans. maybe another piece on defense. Who knows, maybe Kansas City gives you the 31st overall pick. Now you got two first round picks. Now you got a little ammo to move up to go get your quarterback of the future.

So we'll see what happens with Tampa Bay. Real interesting. Do you do both? Do you trade Mike Evans, still keep Chris Godwin and kind of retool and say, all right, we're going to sign Jimmy Garapolo. And then we're going to use those two first round picks to help build this roster. I wonder if they think there could be a half measure here. That's interesting as well.

Yeah. Chris Godwin's a good player. There'd be teams lining up to get their hands on Chris God. Imagine Chris Godwin in Kansas City. Oh my God. That would be fun. You had a really fun tweet. Speaking of that, on Twitter today, as of course I just click off it, literally the second I want to go to it. Do you want me to read it for you? Be a professional. I've got it right here. And you said, would the Raiders trading the seventh pick in this year's draft plus their Twitter? 24 first to the Packers for number 15 this year and Aaron Rogers get it done. Who says no? So again, the Raiders trading number seven and their number one pick next year for 15 and Aaron Rogers because also we saw Devante Adams put out a tweet. I think he since deleted it.

Somebody said, where's Aaron Rogers going to live next year? And he's like, oh, my town. He's going to live where I live. So you think that's a real interesting possibility. Boy, oh boy, the bidding war for Aaron Rogers between the Jets and now maybe the Raiders. Green Bay is like, oh, my God, we got Jordan Love sitting here. We're going to get some first round picks. This is great.

So my tweet, here's how I know it was a reasonable offer. I had like half Packer fans saying, absolutely. And half Packer fans saying, absolutely not. And so essentially what the deal is, the Packers would move up from 15 to 7 this year and pick up a first round pick next year. for Aaron Rogers. And when you think of Aaron Rogers at his peak and if he was 31 years old and had another decade of quarterbacking left, that is obviously an absurd trade offer. But when you consider, we've had we've had talk about his retirement for now like two years in a row, including this

offseason. And we've had talk that Aaron Rogers could. be year to year at this point. The contract is so heavy. It's a, it's a, it's a tough contract to take on. I think it's a pretty reasonable offer. And what I do know is there are Jet fans who maybe considered Aaron Rogers a fate of comply who now are like, the Raiders have Devonti Adams. They have all the incentive to try to improve. We already know they're not bringing Derek Carr back. So that's the other piece of, of this onion, right? You go to Derek Carr, And let's presume Lamar Jackson and Daniel Jones get franchise tagged, okay? Which I think is the most likely outcome, at least for Lamar.

But let's presume that. Aaron Rogers and Derek Carr probably the two best quarterbacks available on the open market. And with Gno, Jimmy G. Those two, we know Carr's not going back to the Raiders. So the Raiders aren't going to be in the mix for Derek Carr, for obvious reasons. there is no way the Raiders decided we're going to move on from Derek Carr and we're going to go sign Jimmy Garoppola. There's no way they would do that. It would be stupid. Yeah.

There's no way they're saying we're going to move on from Derek Carr. We've had enough of him, you know, and his Kirk Cousin's tendencies and then go sign Gino Smith. They're not going to do that. And you know from this year, Aaron Rogers saw what life is like. without Devante Adams, without having that alpha. He knows he has very, very few years left. Does he want to go to New York and play with a very young but talented wide receiver group? Or do you want to go finish things out in the desert in great conditions playing in that

dome with Devante Adams, with what's left of Darren Waller and with Hunter Renfro in the slot? And they'll find a running back. Maybe it's Josh Jacobs. Maybe it's not. But to me, if I'm an old. guy versus playing in New York and then you got to deal with the media. Nobody in Vegas cares. There's not going to be a microscope on you from that local media like it's going to be

in New York City. Why would Rogers want to go put himself through that? Yeah. So I think that just becomes fascinating because here's what the Raiders are going to do. They're either going to go big fish frying, meaning they're going to get Lamar Jackson or Aaron Rogers or they're going to draft a quarterback because they pick seven and they don't have far to go if they want to move up. So that is the way I look at it.

You can sell jet fans, even if they talk themselves into Rogers. You can sell jet fans on Derek Carr. You can sell jet fans on Jimmy Garopolo because you're going to be able to say, well, Zach Wilson was so freaking bad that anybody's going to be better. I don't think you can sell a Raider fan on Jimmy Garoppolo. After you're like, why are we getting rid of Derek Carr if we're going to go get Jimmy Garopolo? Like, what's the point of that? So that's why I think the Raiders are a real threat to go get Aaron Rogers.

right now on top of the obvious fact that they have Devante Adams already. Yeah, that's like, hey, I've got, you know, a Toyota and you trade it in for a Honda. It's like, it's the same car, you know, what are we doing here? Yeah, there might be, like, there might be features that are nicer. Maybe the warranty's better on one of them, you know, I drive a Hyundai Sonata. I love my Sonata, but, you know, it's like, it's the same thing. It's like, eh, you know, this one's got the better warranty. And there's a couple more features for cheaper on this one, but this one's more durable, you know, but they're the same car.

You're 100% right. Yeah, 100% right. What do you think the odds are that Lamar Jackson gets, you know, it finds his way somewhere else, maybe a sign and trade. A lot of people like Atlanta in that mix. What are the odds you think that Lamar Jackson doesn't play another down for the Baltimore Ravens? I think those odds that he doesn't play another down for them are lower than I thought they were three weeks ago. Interesting.

How come? Because what else are they going to do? do. You know, they fired the offensive coordinator. And I think maybe you can convince Lamar that that was an issue. You know, we're going to, this offense is going to look better. We're going to support you. I've now, I thought it was like 50-50 before. Now I think it's like 80-20 that he's that he's back with the Ravens. I just don't know what else they're going to do. Yeah, the Ravens pick 22nd overall. I doubt they use that pick

on a wide receiver, but God, do they need help? And they're not going to find it in free agency this year, as we've talked about on some of the prior two-point stands podcast. I mean, you're looking at like Jacoby Myers as the best wide receiver available right now. So, oof, that's brutal.

What would you do? If you're that Baltimore team, and you've got Lamar, he's going to come back, you're going to pay him. How do you jazz up this offense? I don't think Lamar wants to run around, as much as he has been. Maybe he didn't like that. You know, maybe it's like Donovan McNabb when he was young.

He's like, I don't want to run all the time. Randall Cunningham, I'm going to throw the football. You know, they came into this year, Rashaw Bateman. We all like Bateman and we didn't predict he was going to get hurt early in the season. But they haven't had receivers on that team. And we knew they didn't have receivers on that team. We knew they didn't have them this offseason. And they didn't do anything to improve.

that position at all. You know, they're one of those teams that, and every year, and it's going to happen again in April, oh my God, the Ravens are winning the draft. I can't believe they get all these players. And then they just, but like, I don't know, maybe they're so focused on winning the damn draft and drafting off everybody's big board that they forget that they have, there's players they need on this team. They need to help Lamar Jackson. And I think the big thing they can do is, Lamar, if we can't work out a long-term contract, we're going to franchise you. We're going to work on that long-term contract. But we are going to make a commitment to helping you. We're going to draft receivers. We're going to sign a veteran to go alongside Rashad Bateman.

Unfortunately, it's a bad year for that, as we've discussed. And then we're going to try to make sure that you're in a position to put points on the board and everything isn't on your shoulders. I think that's the most likely outcome. I don't think Eric DeCost is stupid by any stretch of the imagination. I just think that he's had some very frustrating years building up the supporting cast around Lamar Jackson. We just talked about the guy. You don't look great in that uniform? catching bombs from Lamar. Mike Evans.

There you go. That's a really good point. That would be a huge splash. That would be a huge splash for them. And probably one that's needed. I mean, I have to imagine the buccaneers are already getting calls. Oh, yeah. You and I talked a little bit last night when we were kind of planning out the show.

We were talking about, you know, our love of Brady. And I feel the same way. You mentioned a little earlier how I love Brady's work ethic. I love that he's a winner. I love that like when I go out and play Bar League softball and golf and I'm wearing the war paint and, you know, it's my sole purpose in life was to win Bar League softball championships and by God I did so. And that's why I look at Tom Brady and I'm like, I love this guy. I want to be like that. I love a guy who can just outwork everybody in the room.

And then we started talking about guys we don't like. Like who is the new Brady that everyone is going to start to hate because they win and win and win. For me, I'm already at Joe Burrow. I don't like the watch him throw it a ball and spin around and the cigar in the locker room and all. Like, Brady could do it because he won. Like, go win something first, Joe Burrow. I'm already kind of sick. Everyone is anointing him.

He's the next Brady. He's the greatest thing in the world. Like, all right, he's great. He's got an incredible supporting cast. But I think he's just been anointed as the guy a little too soon. And I know you've got a different player in my mind. So I think Burroughs that because he's got that cool personality. The thing about the here's the thing.

First and foremost, I don't dislike this player. I don't dislike the person at all. The Patrick Mahomes thing is like, it's annoying for multiple levels. Number one, it's annoying because we have to keep figuring out, oh, who's the next rival, you know? Like, it's like when, it's like when Tiger Woods was at his dominance. Everybody was like, oh, look at this young guy, Sergio Garcia. see you coming and he's the next tiger and like me and beating up davis loved the third and v j sing yeah now he's on live tour and yeah but yeah oh the phil mickleson who actually was kind of a rival

yeah but you know couldn't touch tiger you know in terms of just sheer impact on the game yeah v j sing was the tiger's big rival for a little bit there remember in the late 90s v j sing um and that's why it's kind of mahomes um but also like there is a tweet i saw um um from some guy who used to, like, write about baseball and he covers the royals or something, and he's like, and he was like, oh, Patrick Mahomes led the chiefs from, you know, down for a game-winning drive on a bum ankle. Put some respect on his name. Who are you talking to? Who is not putting respect on Patrick Mahomes's name?

So it's not so much Mahomes. It's the people who talk about him that are like, like, have you ever seen the tweet? It's actually from a friend of mine. like the tweet is it's for my friend kill a cow on twitter and it's there's always somebody on talk arguing with absolutely no one quote but i was told step curry can't shoot like like like there always has to be like somebody who makes the most absurd point just to try to win an argument that's where it's getting with maholz put some respect on his name okay who who doesn't respect patrick home so yeah there's my little uh there's my little rant there's my little rant there

but it's not mostly, it's mostly about how people talk about him as opposed to the player himself. I'm with it. You did some excellent sleuth work here, digging up Tom Brady's five best fantasy games ever, including the playoffs. And this, of course, is sorted by draft king's points. Which is PPR with bonus. So I thought that was like kind of the best way to do it. And by the way, this is a fantasy football podcast.

So I thought, let's talk about the greatest super flexed. dynasty asset of all time. I don't know if anybody can prove they picked up Tom Brady off the scrap heap in 2001 and then never dropped them. I'm sure it happens somewhere. I can do your one better. Coming into this season, right, Tom Brady, the retirement news comes out. And I've got a team, it's like Brady, Jalen Hertz, I think I have Garoppolo on that team,

whatever. So Brady retires, right? I drop him. You know, it's like, okay, well, you got retired. What am I going to do? So Brady retires, and I have like the number, I traded up. I had the number two pick in the rookie draft. And you can draft rookies.

You can draft players in the league, whatever. So if Tom Brady, then he comes back. So I go to the lead commission. I'm like, I know the answer to this already, but there's no way I can just get Brady back, right? Because the fake retirement is like, nope, you dropped him. It is what it is. Okay. It is what it is.

The guy who had the number one overall pick, literally his quarterback was like Ryan Fitzpatrick. He had nothing at quarterback. right. He drafted Tom Brady number one overall. And Breece Hall fell to me at number two. Oh, what a day. So in essence, I trained Tom Brady for Bruce Hall, right? Like, he had to know that could happen, right? I mean, come on.

Uh, love it. So now I'm, I've got Breez hall with McCaffrey and Joe Mixing. I'm sure we'll get into more on Joe Mixing later, but, oh, thank you. What a move. But Tom Brady's number five performance. This actually happened this year, Joe, week 17 of 22. So in essence, Drake, this was the final fantasy game of Tom Brady's career. It was championship week this season.

And he turned in a top five fantasy performance. 40 draft Kings points. He went 34 of 45 for 4, 32, and 3. And he ran a touchdown in, a little Brady sneak. Coming back from down 14 points. Of course, Mike Evans just blew the world away, catching three. have those scores. So just a monster, monster day for Tom Brady. Also the best game of Mike Evans career, by the way, from fantasy perspective. And in that Tom, that Mike Evans, you know, Mike

Evans scores like 50 points, right? So this was again, the DeMar Hamlin week where people are saying, well, hey, I don't know. I'm up 30 points and you got to give me a championship. No one's going to score 30, 40 points. No, you could have Mike Evans who just scored 50 points. Like, it can happen, folks. Not all the time, but it can happen. They beat the Panthers, by the way, I believe in that game. Yeah, with Sammy Donald. Sam Darnold actually played well. Yeah. So Tom Brady sends us off, us fantasy players, with one of the, the guys played about a million games, his final fantasy game in the

midst of maybe the worst season he's had in the last decade. He sends us off with an all-time great game. I'm going to put these notes in our show notes, what you wrote up for all these games because you also put YouTube clips for it too so folks can go and check out some of the highlights excellent work by you here on this uh his fourth best performance week five of 2021 it was a 45 17 victory over the Miami dolphins two it gets hurt uh and reset has to start the game Brady goes off for 411 and five touchdowns he had Antonio brown at that point you know but I think people kind of forget that little you know Brady's kind of gone in and out with some of these elite wide

receivers but man that was a good team when you got Antonio Brown and Mike Evans who man like how in were you on Antonio Brown when he was right for that brief period of time um when he was with the bucks yeah very tentatively in on Antonio Brown um as Scott Barrett's all time favorite draft asset was drafting Antonio Brown in the last round when he was with the bucks and I guess if you drafted him in the last round or around there it worked out for you right I mean, he had some good, good years, but it kind of ended more spectacularly than the most of us thought, but probably ended similarly from a statistical standpoint and an availability standpoint. But, man, those two could work some magic together.

And I think losing A.B. I thought was a huge factor in Brady's maybe the early playoff loss last year, and maybe the decline this year, just not having that guy who they clearly had great chemistry with. Absolutely. His third best performance, again against those Miami Dolphins, week seven of 2007, a 49, 28 victory for the Patriots. Look at these names that he hit for touchdowns. He had six on the day, mind you. Wes Welker, nine for 138 and two. Randy Moss.

Oh, remember him. He caught a pair. And Dante Stallworth even got into the act. So did Kyle Brady, a Brady to Brady connection, as you note. Man, oh, man. That year with Randy Moss, though, was something special. Yeah, who started that game for the opposing team? This was against Miami, too, as well, right?

Yeah, yeah, this is, and you put in the notes, the quote, legendary Cleo Lemon was the opposing quarterback. So Miami was on the receiving end of two of Tom Brady's five greatest fantasy games, including playoffs, by the way. And there was one playoff game on the list, and I believe it is next. It is. His second best performance, the 2011 divisional round, a 45 to 10 trouncing of the Denver Broncos. Brady throws for 363 and 6 again.

Holy smokes. Gronk, look at these numbers. You tell me he wasn't missed. 10 for 145 and 3. Dion Branch went 3 for 85 and a touchdown. I love you to put this in there. He who must not be named 455 and 1. I'm trying to, is that our guy, Aaron Hernandez?

Aaron Hernandez, yes. Ah, I got you. That was the game they used him as a running back. Do you remember that? No, I don't remember that. They came out and they were just hand in the ball to him. They toyed with the Broncos in this game. They just toyed with them. It was a blowout.

And the quarterback in that game was Tim Tebow for the Broncos. He threw for a whole 136 yards, the last game before Peyton Manning would become the Denver signal caller. And number one on the list. Now, mind you, I just watched a game. This has nothing to do with the season, but this game at number one has Randy Moss going for 8, 129 and 3. This is a shalacking week six of 2009 Patriots over the Titans 59 to nothing. So Randy Moss goes off.

Brady again throws six touchdowns. He's got Welker, Kevin Falk, super underrated guy. But I want to talk about the game in the Super Bowl, the 28 to 3. We all know it against the Atlanta Falcons. Back up, Drake. One just a little bit, because I want people to check out. this game against the Titans. First and foremost, it's in October, in a blizzard. Brady throws six touchdowns. The opposing quarterback in this game,

Kerry Collins threw for negative seven yards. So, and then I watched, I watched a Brady documentary with last night actually talking to Charles Woodson about the tuck rule game. And Brady said, I loved playing in the snow because you, You guys are back peddling and you're slip sliding all over the place. And I know where my receiver is going to be or at least should be. So he thinks the defense has the disadvantage in the snow. That game proved it. It is the biggest blowout in NFL history in the Super Bowl era.

59-0. That is the largest margin of victory in the Super Bowl era. An absolute put that game on. The Patriots are in the Pat Patriot uniforms. The tightlands are wearing oil uniforms. that game was the greatest game of Tom Brady's career and all the circumstances were absolutely wild. The single biggest, it has to be, the single biggest quarterback fantasy discrepancy of all time. Carrie Collins threw for negative yards in that game. Brady throws for 380 and six touchdowns

42.2 draft king's points for Tom. Yeah, sorry about that, Drake. I had to watch poetic about that. I should have, I should have banged more onto that game. You had a great note here also. that two of his best games, because you did a list of, I don't know, maybe his 30 best games. And of those games, I think maybe there's a list of 25 or so, there were only two losses. Tom Brady didn't lose a lot. Both of the losses came to the exact same team. And you and I, we love this answer. Who did he lose both of those big games to?

Philadelphia. That's right. The only two games in his top 40 by fantasy points. scored were losses. So he was 38 and 2. One loss we all know about, it was the 41-33 loss in Super Bowl 52 where Brady threw for a Super Bowl record

like 552 or something ridiculous like that. He was insane in that game. It just so happened that he was the one who turned the ball over in his own territory on the Brandon Graham Strip sack. The other game, Drake, can you recall

in your mind, the other game where he lost to the Philadelphia the Eagles. I was trying to think about that before the show. When else did he lose to the Eagles? I mean, my God. I mean, the Eagles were bad for us, a good stretch of when he was in the league.

They had the McNabb. I don't know. It was a bad Eagles team. Is this like a Kevin Cobb Eagles team? I'm going to disagree with you because, quite frankly, as much as they've pissed me off in my life, the Eagles have been pretty freaking good for most of my life. Like, I was a kid, they were real bad.

Yeah. You know, they post Randall Cunningham era before Donovan McNabb. Rodney Pete, Ty Detmer, you know, like that, Doug Peters. Boy, Detmer, Doug Peter. Now, Doug, though, Doug was the, was the bridge to McNabb, while McNabbler and the offense, which was a completely defensible move by Andy Reed at the time. It was in 2015, Drake. Sam Bradford.

Sam Bradford, oh. into Foxborough and beat Tom Brady. Now this Eagles team was collapsing, by the way. They were utterly called. You might remember Malcolm Jenkins had like a pick six or a fumble six in that game. The Eagles were on the verge of a collapse. There was a mutiny brewing against Chip Kelly. And that was the game where like Jeffrey Lurrie apparently went into the locker room

and gave a pregame speech. Wow. Which like apparently like never happens. Like the owner doesn't go in the locker room, before the game and like apparently he sat next to demarko murray on the plane and like demarko murray demarko murray was like we can't stand this guy and i mean i don't think many eagles fans have a lot of love loss for demarcum murray but i think there was jason peters by the end of that year was like there is no way i'm playing hurt for this guy and like but that

the one like shining moment outside of that that preseason game where sam bradford looked like the greatest quarterback on planet earth. You remember that game against the... I do. I was so pumped for the season. And, and, and, but, and I don't think, you know, Bradford was necessarily to blame for that whole year. It was just a bad, you know, Chip Kelly. He, he lost the team. But that game was like a shining, like, I cannot believe they just went on the road and beat the Patriots with this team that everybody hates. Like, Eagles fans hated that team. Eagles players hated that team. The Eagles players hated their coach. Like, everybody hated that team. And they went on the road and beat the team.

Patriots. So there you go. Any given Sunday in the national football league. I was at the link. The Eagles were playing Washington that week very early in the season. And it was the game where Brady got hurt, where he got rolled up on and he was out for the year. And then we got Jimmy Garoppolo. So in that, no, it wasn't Jimmy Garvey. It was Matt Castle, wasn't it? That year. But that was. So when the Eagles were playing. So you mean when Brady got hurt Brady got hurt. I'm in the stadium and word starts to spread that Brady got hurt and he's done. It's a bad injury. They announce it. People go bananas. You would have thought the game just, it's like the first quarter. People are like, yeah, F you, Bradie. Your high five. You were in the link. Yeah. So that was week one of 2008. And the Eagles, I remember this distinctly because that was my year working for the Eagles. They were playing the St. Louis Rams. No, was it the Rams?

I swear it was playing against Washington, but it could be different. All I remember is Brady got hurt and people lost their minds, which it could be. I have a good friend of mine who is a Rams fan, and maybe we went together and that's why we're there. It doesn't matter. That was one.

But it was, yeah, so it was, there was buzz going around that bridge. Because I remember when I saw Brady get hurt, I was in the press box. Okay. because obviously I was at the Eagles game and the monitors are going around and the Eagles absolutely ran the Rams out of the stadium that day. Who was the Rams?

I think it was still Mark Bulger at that point actually. The Eagles ran them out of the stadium. And so in the press box, you know, I think we were gathering around like Les Bowen or somebody and like we were watching the video of Brady get rolled up on and we knew. By the way, one of Belichick's best coaching jobs, that team went 11 and 5. did not make the playoffs, though, at 11 and 5. But that was Matt Castle, who ended up making a lot of money based on that year with Patriots. But, I mean, you know, here's the other thing for Brady.

And probably good for him while we wrap this up. That was the only year he was really hurt. I know he played through some stuff, like, but I was that the only, that might have been the only time in his entire career he missed games because of injury. I think so. Yeah, you can't recall Tom missing much time. Let me see. I'm pretty sure that might be the case. 1717. Okay. Oh, there's 12 games. There's 12 games in 2016, but that's because of Deflate Gate, which, by the way, the biggest bullshit story of all time. Like, let's be honest.

That was them out to get Brady and Robert Kraft and all that. Now, it's the only time Brady missed games because of injury, though you will recall Drake in 2001. the year before they went to the year they did go to the super bowl which was brady's like coming out year coming out party brady got hurt in the a fc championship game and drew bledsoe won them the a fc championship game and there was there was talk will belichick start bledso in the super bowl imagine if he goes the other way on that yeah what a different story we're talking brady's coming off injury bledso is your big money quarterback who only lost lost his job because he got hurt, it actually took some balls for Belichick to make that call.

It really did. The last thing I wanted to point out about Brady is, like I said, I was watching that Super Bowl against Atlanta. It was at Super Bowl 51. And it was 28 to 3. And it just underscores again because Grong didn't play in that game. How little Tom Brady has done it with his whole career. He's throwing to Malcolm Mitchell, Danny Amandola, Chris Holck. Hogan and Julian Edelman.

Those are the guys he's thrown. That's a CYO All-Star team out there. Yeah. And he did it most of his career. He's had some, obviously, some great players. Like, gronk might go down as the best tight end of all time, unless the guy played in the Super Bowl in a week and a half has something to say about that.

Randy Moss has a claim to be one of the three best receivers of all time. So it's not like Brady was crying poorhouse the entire time of his career. Obviously, Mike Evans, lock it down, Drake Mike Evans is a Hall of Famer. I love Mike Evans. Mike Evans could not step on the field once again, and he'd still be in the Hall of Fame with that outrageous career he's had so far. So Brady's played with Hall of Famers, but guess what? If you play 23 years in the league, you're going to play with some Hall of Famers.

That's just going to be, and if you have the skill that Brady has, you're eventually going to guys who are our Hall of Famers are going to want to play with you. But, you know, when I talked to Ross Tucker about this and I know I don't want any people who hate Tom Brady to be like, oh my God, shut up guys. We're shutting up soon. Don't get me wrong. Ross Tucker was like, hey, Joe, when did Brady really become

Tom Brady, great fantasy quarterback? And I said, well, it really was 2007. because prior to 2007, his career high and touchdown passes with 28, which is not bad. It's just, he was like statistically, he was supercharged Joe Flacco. Now, we all knew Brady was great by the time 2007 roll around and he had three Super Bowls to his name. But that was when he really took the step and became like a big time fantasy quarterback. And he kind of waxed and waned on that for the second half of his career. You know, I would think, like, for the most part, he was considered in the top seven or eight of fantasy starters.

After that, sometimes very much at or near the top. But the consistency is what I'll always have. If you had Tom Brady, you could count on 16 games every year. Some years better than others, depending on his weaponry. But, man, I just look at it. One injury in his career that cost him any time. I mean, we've got Lamar Jackson missing time every year. You know, Jalen Hertz has missed time with injuries each of the last two years.

Patrick Mahomes, he's playing hurt. He's missed time with injury. It's just imagining Tom Brady, like, being, like, questionable every week. It just doesn't happen. It didn't happen. And maybe there's another reason for him to hang it up, Drake. His last injury was 15 years ago. And he's like, I'm getting older.

I lost some weight this year. I don't want to get hurt. I don't want it to go out like Brett Farv, who was never hurt until he was, or never missed games until he was, until he did. And I think that maybe is where Tom Brady's at right now. Hey, this is as close to sucking as I'm ever going to get.

I'm going to hang it up right now. Credit to you, Tom Brady, great career. I just can't imagine football about it. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's my favorite player of all time, but the resume is undeniable. and his day in Canton, it's going to be a pretty special one. Yeah, no question about it. And I look forward to it.

And you and I'll get to hang out in Canton, hopefully this year for the Fantasy Football Expo. It would be fun. Tom Brady, if not, we'll go when Tom Brady is getting inducted. Absolutely. So, folks, we want to make sure, you know, what we said at the beginning of the show, make sure you're checking your Apple iTunes account. Make sure you're subscribed to the Fantasy Points podcast. I'm trying to get an answer from Apple.

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Get it for 30% off. Save the money, folks. So, well, we're going to put a bow on this Tom Brady episode. So thank you. pretty man. We, uh, we, uh, we loved watching you for all these years. What fucking you're shaking me? Well, you do. Go enjoy yourself down there and, uh, you know, hold up a sign, you know, you know, play Thunder Road. Maybe he'll, uh, he'll get to that one as a deep cut. I don't think that's really a deep cut, but I'm hoping you plays it. Yeah, oh, yeah,

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