Fantasy Football Daily - Trade Special - Dynasty Points: Fantasy Points x Full Tilt Dynasty

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

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Oh, man. Tuesday night. I can only mean one thing. You're here with Dynasty Points at FantasyPoint.com. I, of course, am your host, Thomas Tipple at El Nostra Thomas. Joining me, as always is Jacob Sanderson. He is, well, at Jacob Sanderson. And joining us, as always, is Lucas Gilbert L. Gilbert F. over on X slash Twitter slash however you want it to be remembered.

look we're not a new show and we're not a start or sit show but we do have fun here and we're going to prove that to you by doing something we just don't do on this program pretty much ever we save this stuff for the off season usually but after a comment that was made to me in the discord about kind of not fully explaining some things on trade detail it kind of inspired me for this program so gentlemen today we asked some of the members of the Bulletproof Discord and of course we have the Fantasy Points Discord trade questions going at all times remember if you have a question that you want answered live please leave a comment

we're going to get to it we're going to answer it the best way we can we have theory we have prospecting we have actual trades we have a potential live negotiation between Jacob and I as he just got needed from playoff contention pretty much watching the League of record. It's actually not as bad as I thought. We took a look today.

And we're one win over Stulp and a Billy loss from getting right back in there. Okay. I waited for that Joe Burrow. We're getting some hope. I'm waiting for that Joe Burrow trade to come in. When I see that, I know the floodgates are open. Lucas, I'm going to find a way to somehow get you into the legal record. It's going to happen eventually.

Someone's going to find. Someone's going to wane themselves out or annoy me enough. We'll see how it is. Speaking of last night, before we get into, we're going to start with player picks this week, just because I want to get that kind of out of the way. Speaking of last night, a monumental victory was had at Jacob's expense. And I just want to walk everybody through how tilting and why we became full tilt in the first place.

Because it's losses like this. Jacob had Devonti Smith versus my, Travis Kelsey and D'Andre Swift last night. And I had to overcome a bit of a deficit in this game. I needed to outscore him by nine points. Deep ball. Can you just talk us through what was going through your mind when you saw that ball that Devontas Smith just caught?

And what you thought the moment you realized he went down on the one? Well, it was like, first of all, it was PTSD for me. I don't know if people remember a specific place in the Super Bowl, but there was basically the exact same play, but on the opposite sideline with them going the opposite direction, where Hertz throws a big go ball, a Smith, he catches it, and he goes out right at the one. And if people aren't familiar with the FFPC playoff challenge,

thinking about thinking readers will soon be familiar. It's like my favorite tournament in all of fantasy sports. But you pick one player from almost every, team in the playoffs and then you have to get like the highest scoring combination of players without taking more than one player from any particular team and there's specific positional allotments. So like my eagle was Smith. Obviously the most popularly drafted eagle, eagles were brown and were Hertz. I was sitting at like fifth or or 10th. I was in the top 10 going into that play. And if Smith could have got that, we would probably help top 10. We would have been making a lot.

And sure enough, Hurts then comes in. puts this fat ass in the end zone with the tush push. And that was the closest I got to making a massive hit last year. So it was a pretty good team. But anyway, then I see this play go. I'm in the same situation where I have Smith and facing Swift and Kelsey in this back and forth game. And he goes at the one.

I'm like, man, can this skinny little fuck ever get in the end zone? Like, Jesus. Just like get your arm like one foot longer, a little bit stronger. get that thing in there instead of constantly giving way to your betters. So anyway, then I was up like four and I knew it. Like like someone in the chat was like dagger. I was like fucking dag or what like. I said.

I thought when it was when there was like 10 points when I was when they were 10 points down, I was like we can work with this, right? Like their chiefs are going to be running. Eagles are going to be throwing. We'll get some Smith points. Like we're going to make up some ground. And we did but not quite enough. As soon as the chiefs went down,

I was like now it's just going to be fucking Kelsey, spam, spam, spam, spam, bullshit. And if the Eagles get a backer, just can hand it off a Swift anyway. Toronto, Dave, says Thomas Townsill Joy. So you have no idea the joy it gets me to just beat Jacob in the most frustrating ways possible because it just, he either

crushes me or some abysmal loss that is hard to mentally recover from. And then the first play, right, goes off his hands. I'm like, ah, great. All right, then they get, like, way down forth, and then back to back. All I need was those two back-to-back catches, and it was over and the cellie was on, but

I post a dagger because I thought he was in until I looked back and saw the replay. I was like, oh, I got a shot. It's here. And why did I want to tell this story on air today? It's not solely to rub it in Jacob's face that he lost another heartbreaking game to me once again. But it's that this stuff affects us like it affects you. We still, to this day, even though we are in multiple leagues, you know, 40 plus and up with, leagues at times,

we're still down to ride with the home league. And it still is an emotional roller coaster for us. So when we do a show like today, we're talking about trades and how to navigate your league. And if we actually believe it or not, believe me, we're not robots just in the spreadsheets. We're in the trenches.

You're like, and feeling the emotion. This is our warfare here. And if you're not able to win these games, and gloat with your leaguemates and co-hosts. I don't know. You need to live a little. All right.

Let's get into it. Look, normally we do the player picks, Lucas, way later in the show. I want to get them out of the way just real quick today. We don't need, we're not going to do the breakdowns. We're going to do this is what we're doing. But if you're unfamiliar, we pick a player outside of the top 15 at both quarterback and running back,

outside of the top 24 at wide receiver and outside of the top 10. and outside of the top 10 at tight end. We tally those points up and at the end of the year, the winner gets to choose the other two host drinks for whatever day we do the live broadcast of the draft. Lucas, I'm going to let you go. You're sitting in second right now at 481.32. Decent showing, even though you tried to remove points from yourself

because you thought Ty Chandler was bad this week. But who do you have this week? All right. So real quick, Matt Starr, He's my favorite matchup for Corvacks. Then, of course, Warren at Running Back, looked fantastic, even in limited

work, Czay Flowers, wide receiver, and Tyson Hill at Tide-in. All right. I like that. I need you a mess up, though, honestly, in order I have a chance. Even on my good weeks, I'm not really gaining much ground because you have a dominant 15-point league right now.

So it's crushing it all year in this for once. Very consistent. Very consistent. Billy's not here. That's what it is. Jacob, you are in last right now. Even though he had a strong showing a couple weeks ago, some things went against you. You're sitting at 463.02.

Who are you this week? We're taking Gardner Minshu. Tampa's been a pretty getable matchup for opposing quarterbacks this year. Colts coming out of the by week. I'll take Jerome Ford, another matchup play. Denver's just been giving it up on the ground. Even the absolutely anemic Minnesota Vikings running game was able to run efficiently on Denver.

I'll take Garrett Wilson just as a pure talent play. He's playing a Miami defense that's a pretty great matchup. The Dalton score, they don't really defend all that well. And just a more talented player than you're ever going to get outside the top 24. I think Tim Boyle sucks ass, but he probably can't be how much worse than Zach Wilson, right? Please. Logan Thomas is giving my tight end. The commanders throw at 45 times every game.

So I think you're four with LT is reasonably decent and hopefully he finds the end on Thanksgiving. I like that a lot. For myself, seeing as how I am in first place, because that's just where I like to be, baby, 496.98 points. Don't ask me to set my own actual lineups to be this good. Only here for some reason. I'm going with Baker. They get the Colts, you know, shout out Leonard,

who they release, he catches on somewhere to win a title. Mondre, he gets the Giants. We like that. I'm going to pure upside play in Shaheed. huge upside play and I'm going to take Isaiah likely. I'm just going to hope and pray that I get plug and play production or Mark Andrews in that offense. I just, I'm going to hope and pray.

We're going to take a second. We come back. Jacob is going to break down some of the opening dynasty trade theory that he is well, so well known for. Sit tight back in five. Jacob, I actually, I'm actually going to change what we're doing. I have a live trade offer here. Oh, all right.

I would love to do a live trade offer. I am a rebuilding, well, I'm basically a rebuilding team. All right, we've got Lamar Jackson, we've got DAC, we've got some things, but it could be going better. We have multiple firsts in both years. I've got an offer to send away my Lamar Jackson. Now, I know how to feel about sending away Lamar Jackson, but I'm getting two first, Garrett Wilson and Will Levis to do it. Wow, that's a, like, that's a massive deal. On a 3-18.

Yeah, that's a huge payment. I would definitely take that. Yeah, that's like a definite. Like, I'm sitting here with Alan Robinson playing meaningful snaps on this team. So I think that's a absolute smash. I'm curious, what's the record of the person who's making this trade with you? Go ahead. Sorry.

It's sixth. He's sitting in six. Wow, that's a massive deal. Who would advise that for him? Yeah. But hey, we're doing it though. We're doing it live on air. Yeah.

Definitely. Definitely. I mean, just breaking it down like as a base. A few. Are a couple years away. 26. That's fine. That's fine.

I think we're viving. We're viving with that. Damn. Live dynasty trade right here. And I always get, I always get outside help with these Lamar Jackson deals. Because I'm too in the weeds, like Jacob said. I'm too in the weeds. I'm too affected emotionally.

All right, Jacob. Kick us off. Let's talk some dynasty. trade theory. How do you approach the trade deadline? Yeah, I mean, the deadline is a super exciting time in Diamond's the league. I think it's, you know, it can be the last chance to add that missing piece to a contender. It can be the last chance to sell off all your pieces if you're already tanking. It can be that last chance to decide what direction you're taking, you know, or it can be that last chance really before the season ends to add some value into your team that rends up

defining where you're at going into the offseason. So I think what I try to do ahead of the deadline in each team is try to assess where teams at. And I always try to start from that value, that buying power perspective. You know, where are we from a long-term vision standpoint on this team? Is this a team that can withstand to take, you know, a long-term loss for a short-term gain? Is this a team that would really be set back by doing that?

Is this a team that's already kind of, you know, maybe it's, we're already probably rebuilding it anyway. So maybe we might want to lean in a little bit more into the now. All that stuff, right? That's kind of where I look first. And then we just look at where we're at, you know, in the specifics of the league. What is the utility of any given buy going to be, right? Especially for approaching it from that buy perspective. It's like, does the team already have a buy, right? But already has a buy. It's somewhat questionable, perhaps, as to how much, you know, that extra ad is going to add onto your win equity, right? You've already done probably the thing that can add the most your win equity. From here, your best bet is probably looking towards the future. How can you maximize your win equity in the future? Do you, are you sort of on the playoff bubble, right? I see a lot of teams on the playoff bubble buying. And that's a situation where, you know, I'd be pretty careful as to what I would buy, right? Are you buying a, are you buying a longer term asset that's going to help now and help later? Are you buying something very cheaply. If you're investing a lot for a very short-term asset, right now all of a sudden,

you have to hope that that asset gets you in the playoffs and that you then win now three rounds. Like, that's a lot to ask and in a very high-risk position to put yourself in. So it all comes down to like, what's your actual win equity ceiling? Where are you at right now? And what's the utility of that asset that you buy getting you there? No, I love that approach. And honestly, it shouldn't take you this long to kind of figure out if you are in it or you are not. and how serious you are,

but looking at your max point four and whatever. And I also understand that, well, my league doesn't have trade deadline and that's how I should be. Fine, right? At the base of the show, we're going to talk some general theory to help people find those deals

that they're looking for. Well, if it's not a trade deadline, it's for you at this point in the season. I think a lot of this is going to be maybe easily explained, quote, unquote, by people by saying, well, just trade for the young guys. it's not always possible.

You got to get creative in some of these, especially with point shedding. So I have, we're going to go with the first question. It was asked here at 645, my time. So this was before the show kicked off. We're going to ask this right now, X, ex pesky, not sure what Discord handle is,

if you're in the Discord or not. But let's get this question going. We'll do this live trade show right now. I need your help. I see MC and nobody are running back. I can't get anything reason. reasonable. Ford for two seconds. Pollard equals Metcalfe straight up. Mixing equals a one. Brian Robinson or Rashad White costs a first plus. What do you think is the least bad option or Latavius Murray

for a third, I guess? We're going to boost it up. Can this person can can you define nobody X-Fax fee? Like people always say things like nobody, but like is nobody literally nobody? Like is there no one that's going to play a single snap on the waiver wire. You don't have anyone on your bench. I mean, these trades are so egregious that, yes, I would rather just try to win with a zero running back. Yeah. I definitely agree with that. I think you'll be able to find a waiver wire ad.

I mean, you're saying Latavius Murray for a three. I would, I don't know, pay Fab for Zique or just anything other than giving up any significant capital for this. I think the closest one for me might be like Pollard for Metcalf straight up, but that's, that's reasonable for me. But also Pollard has been bad. What's his long-term shelf life? I know we think Matt Caff is kind of at the bottom rung of that wide receiver two tier. That would be the least bad because I think he has like a, you know, Murray is whatever. Like Murray's like so sub-replacement level that you can probably just get that on waivers.

So there's no point in giving up a third. I mean, yeah, like even if you could get it down to like second and a third for Ford or something, I wouldn't necessarily mind that one. But white BROB for first is way too high risk for first plus. Yeah, the Pauldrum is somebody the least that, but I would not want to give up DECM account for Pollard right now. So I think that we talked about last week, Devin Singletary is a perfect ad if you're looking at that, trying to put in a minimal amount of investment, somebody who should still be scoring you points. he's definitely someone who can help.

You have at least this season, especially if you don't want to invest any sort of capital into it. Another person potentially. And this one, you all might have to talk me off the ledge here a little bit. How much is Rahim Moster actually costing you if you can find him on a team that's not competing right now? I think that's the problem. I mean, I can't imagine Rahim Moster is still on many teams that aren't competing, right? Like, we're this late.

Fair enough. I think if you want. want to go and grab somebody that is cheap, that could potentially be a difference maker at any point with their schedule opening up, it's Jerich McKinnon. If you want a guy that could... This is just Latavius, Murray. What's that? This is just Latavius but small.

Yeah, I just prefer McKinnon because he's been so disappointing, even two contending teams. He's the type of player that allows you to still get a deal done with anybody. Like, even contend teams are like never playing this guy ever. I can drop most of my shares by now. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying instead of paying up anything significant at all, just go poke at what. Useless wide receiver or like fourth string tight end

that might be good someday. The Kenny Yarbras of the, is it Kenny Yarbrough? Do I just talk about the Tampa Bay pitcher again? I might have. Anyway, just go find some tight end that you can dump off for someone that's quote unquote useless as Jet McKinn. I would rather do that than any of,

of those deals personally. I don't know if that helps you or not, but leave a comment below. Well, the other thing that last one was going to suggest is, like, what if, I don't know, for whatever reason in your league, people aren't willing to sell running backs for picks at any sort of reasonable price, like, why don't you do the other option? If you have McCaffrey or you have any older receivers or other stuff that scores points, why don't you try and offer up one of those assets and work that into some sort of one-for-two situation and see what that fashes.

Yep, I love that. We have a question from Dakota Foss. Curious if you guys had any thoughts on the Green Bay or Miami backfield with all the injuries they sustained over the weekend. Is it Mary Weather and Jeff Wilson season? Question mark. I'm not so sure it is at all.

I don't know who Mary Weather. My head. Is he the... Is he the... Not a nickname of some sort? Nah, he might be the... I think he might be the rookie in Green Bay. Give me one second. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's not Mary Weather season. I mean, Green Bay is going to be

AJ Dillon's going to handle probably the exact same role he handled early in the season when Aaron Jones was out. He's probably going to be like a low-end RB2 with it. And there'll probably be some other guy who will handle the other 25% snaps. It might be James Robinson. They sign them on the process squad. It might be this Mary Weather cap. I don't know. You're probably not starting them.

And it's not going to be Jeff Wilson's season. it's going to be Mosterd and A. Chan season. And if A. Chan misses one game, which doesn't sound likely, he was already estimated to practice today, then I guess Wilson will play a little bit. But like, we've seen this backfield. The only time that this backfield has had two players to start has been with Mostert and A. Chan playing. When A. Chan has not been playing, you only play Mostert.

And there's someone else who plays 30% of the snaps and maybe they get a touchdown. But it's not like you're reliably starting this like Ahmed Wilson Roller. anyway, so I don't think the, you weren't starting Ackman, so I don't think that Wilson replacing Ackman as someone you start either. Yeah. Nope. I agree. Very little upside to either of those guys.

I'm just basically, want their number ones or the guys I already have, and then I'm leaving it on the wayside. I will say to answer Peske's, he's here, sorry, I was late. Nobody is like Ingram, Kelly, and nothing better. Kelly. Yeah, play Kelly. That's the same as Latavis Murray. Yeah, I would definitely do that.

But I would also poke around to see if James Robinson is on the waiver wire. Couldn't hurt. Yeah. I don't think it can hurt. Let's ask, let's ask. Let's get a question from the bulletproof. You had some stuff separated, laid out, pick one. All right.

Well, I'll start with one that I think is probably pretty common. If people haven't already settled on their situation last week, what should contenders do with Mark Andrews, use them to get another marquee tight end or send him to IR and trade for a lower end producer? I addressed this in my substack, and I can get into that a little bit later, but why don't you guys go first out it. Lucas? So, I mean, this is always super unfortunate whether you have someone who's as important to your fantasy teams as Mark Andrews is, especially whether he's such an advantage at that position compared to most average tight ends in the league. I would say that you're not moving Mark Andrews right now. I don't think that you should be that desperate,

especially whenever they're titans who are veterans who are producing and shouldn't cost you an arm in a limb to get. Taysam Hill, who's one of my picks this week, I think that that's someone that you can definitely go out, get and not have to invest too much in to hopefully get him. Tyler Conklin, I think, is like a super easy ad. He's not going to do much for you, but he can keep the ship afloat a little bit.

I think that there are definitely bargain-bidden ads out there, though, to help you handle the position. I wouldn't trademark Andrews, though. That's the baseline of it all is hang on to Mark Andrews, unless somebody, you're saying, him in a deal for like Leporta or Kincade or something like that's where you are also getting someone who's

a higher end tight end. I'm trading Mark Andrews. I am. He's going to be what, 29? He's 28 now, injured fractures leg. If you're like in a competing mode, you're not waiting the next year. And even if you're a tweener, I don't think you're waiting until next year either.

I think you go and find a rebuilder if you can. This has been the most sought after strategy that you can, or at least that I've most common strategy I have found, geez, it really took a while to get there, but I am trading someone like Andrews

for any one of the young breakout tight ends and some sort of vet if I can do it. If somebody's willing to point shed off of their roster, a guy like Trey McBride, easy, easy, easy, easy cash in, easy swap. I'd obviously be wanting something on top of that, but I am... No, you're not getting that.

I know you're not, but you can try, you should be trying. Okay, but what if the person says no? right? What if it's what if it's straight up? Are we doing that? I think that's the decision people really have to make if they want like I think if you want McBride it's going to be straight up or darn close and if you want Kincaid or Leporta, you're probably the one adding. I don't, I guess it kind of depends. I know there are obviously the market is going to reign supreme, but the some people just don't look at some people are still looking at trade McBride like he's the guy that couldn't get

past Zachers. Right. So hopefully and when I say this, I'm saying hopefully the person has him is trying to offload him because of that. Sure, but if he's not, perfect scenario. If not, yeah, I would start. I would, I'd probably move Andrews for, for McBride.

I think his production in this offense with Kyler, I don't expect Kyler to be gone. I think his production in this offense is, his numbers are wide receiver one-esque numbers. So, and Kyler, he props up tight ends. So, I mean,

you're basically getting younger Mark Andrews. that's probably less talented, but yeah, I'm in. I would, I'd probably do that at this point. Yeah, I will, I have not yet moved to Andrews. It's interesting because Andrews and Burrough injuries happen at the same time. They both happen at very scarce positions. And, you know, like my kind of general take on both has been mostly similar, but the specifics has not been.

Like, I've bought and sold Burrow in the contending spots that I've had, Burrow, I've sold them in the in the spots where, sorry, in the spots where I'm rebuilding, I'm pivoting to rebuild. I've had no issue buying him. But I think the main reason why I've been kind of willing to do it both ways, I actually feel quite good about a lot of the other market alternatives to Joe Burrow, like specifically Kyler has been the guy that I've sold him into on both occasions where I just already don't, like I wouldn't say that I think Joe Burrow, if I could have my choice of all the tight ends or

of all the quarterbacks at the top of the first round that Joe Burrow is the one I think is the most value efficient. Like he would probably be one of the ones that I would least like to have at his cost. So for me, if I sell him like a little bit of a discount on his general cost, I'm probably selling him closer to in line with what I think his costs should be. Right. So it's not really, it's a pretty survivable loss from my perspective. And I've been able to then buy him with the hopes that I could probably flip him in the offseason at a bit of a profit. With Andrews, it's a tougher one because I bought Andrews happily. The two times that I bought Andrews were actually three times I bought Andrews now.

So two were using Leporta. One was, so one was Leporta and Christian Kirk for Mark Andrews and Josh Downs. The other was Leporta and Nico Collins for Mark Andrews and Drake London. And then the third one, and this is a weird league because it's Devi two tight end bestball. So you can like try to do all your own internal calculations as to how they're that affects this deal. But it was DeAndre Hopkins, Azea Pacheco, and Pat Friermouth for Mark Andrews. So those were the three. I thought that the first two were fair. I thought that the last one was, it was very surprising to me that it was accepted, to be honest with you. Yeah. I'm going to go there,

but the best ball, you know, the three for one helps a lot more in bestball than it would in like, I mean you get to use all this after. Anyway, all that being said, the issue with the Andrews is like I think that a lot of people look at it. It's like, look, even when he's healthy, Kay's younger, way longer, LePort is younger, McBride's younger. Like, what's really the difference? I just don't have the young guys. And I'm just not there.

Tight ends aged pretty well. Like Mark Andrews has been, you know, largely pretty healthy in recent years until this injury. So I don't have a whole lot of like long-term durability concerns, although it certainly can come at any time. He's just so special. Like, out of all of these different tight ends. He's really the only one that combines all of the elements of elite tight end up side that we want from the target dominance to running all the routes to earning downfield work to being able to create yards after the catch. Playing in an offense, it doesn't want to make me kill myself.

Like it's just, it's really all there for Andrews. So I guess it just comes down to I'm just fundamentally not quite as sold, I think, on these three young tight ends. I'm sold that they're good. but I don't think I'm very comfortable with the way that they're being priced a little bit, which is Laporta, Kincaid and Big Bride, Hawkinson to some extent too. I have kind of like a micro take, which is just for years, this tight end profile didn't really have that much upside. Like you basically either needed to have elite after catchability, elite downfield or an elite downfield profile, or just all touchdowns. This like sort of PPR spam like stick route tight end that's kind of living in the.

the 8 to 10 to 11 yards per catch range tended to be more of like a low end to mid range tight end kind of like you know an Evan ingram type season so far right and it's not really been the case this year where we've seen the tight end position rebound and it's been through this type of tight end and I guess the question then is it's like is this is the is the NFL all changing for good or in a moment right like I think so much of this plays into this like cover two aspect to me where defensive coordinators right now, it's all about taking away the explosives, right? So we see some of these players like T. Higgins,

like a Jalen Waddle, right? Their target share is coming down, right? Whose target shares are going up? You know, these tight ends, right? Your T.J. Hawkinsons, your Trey McBrides, like these players who are living in the short and intermediate areas of the field are doing really well right now. And, you know, I guess I don't know.

Maybe over the long haul, this is just the way that the NFL keeps going. my view things are usually cyclical and I think we're kind of living in an environment that's very structurally beneficial to this profile of player but I'm just not sure that that's the profile that I want to bet on all the way at the top I just think it's a fundamentally more reliant profile on situation than Andrews like Leporta and Kincaid are basically living on 10 yards per catch which means that in order to have Titan 1 upside like high end 10 one upside you you functionally need to be getting eight to ten targets every single week. And that requires your offense to throw the ball a lot, requires a very high target share.

And it requires a team willing to continually funnel like 25 plus percent of their targets into the short intermediate areas of the field, which I don't really think is what teams want to do, especially not like good teams. I think it's what teams are kind of forced to do. So we'll see how this goes. I would just generally speaking, I'm a little bit sketched, I suppose, with treating these tight ends as though this small sample of work of year production is just going to continue to progress and progress and progress and progress. So how I've been handling this injury is I'm buying Mark Andrews where I

make sense. And when I don't have Mark Andrews, I'm mostly just kind of shopping in the stop gap range. My favorite guy to target, if I have a buy locked up or a playoff spot locked up is Goddert because you don't need them now, but the team who has them might need someone now. So you actually kind of get an injury discount on him. If you just need them back by playoffs, I think that's an interesting one. And then otherwise, like, Joku is pretty getable for a second. Engram's pretty getable for a second. Shultz is pretty getable for second, again, all depending on the person. Jake Ferguson is potentially getable for less than a second. Logan Thomas. Tason Hill is another guy that Lucas mentioned. Like, that's kind of just where

I'm going is just stop gapping instead of paying all out for one of these other guys. I really like, I really like Dolan Schultz for a second. That's definitely a move I would make on like my teams that aren't competing right now. if I send me a second for that, that's an easy accept. Whenever you're talking about Borough, though, I know that we're all fans of C.J. Straub. Hold on. Hold on. Before you switch over to Borough,

because I have some stuff on Burrow as well. Looking at Trade McBride, who has the third best, if you exclude Farrow Brown, he has a third best yards per route run and is 8.38 yards per target. He's getting used like a legitimate wide receiver. He's already almost at Mark Andrews production for the season. Like just totally lacks the touchdown department,

but I mean, he didn't exactly have stellar quarterback play coming into everything. His first read target share is at 20%. Mark Andrews was 23.1. Like he's, he is being used almost like you would want from Mark Andrews at this point. And I just don't see that changing. That's why I'm more comfortable moving somebody

like McBride. And I already have players like Kincaid and Leporta ahead of Mark Andrews in my dynasty rankings. So, yeah, I'm totally okay pivoting to those guys. Completely okay with it. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Burrow.

I know we all love CJ Stroud. Are you doing Stroud or Burrow in a second if that's being offered, right? I was offering Burrow in a second for Stroud before he got hurt. Yeah. Fair enough. All right, just wanted to check. I did sell CJ

J. Stroud for Joe Burrow, though, this week, but I also got Zay Flowers and Jerome Ford. Yeah, so that changes that a little bit. I will say I also moved a share of Trevor Lawrence for Joe Burrow and a one. So get out there and ask, that's my favorite. Now, that one I would do, that one I would do straight up if you had to. I would, I would move Lawrence for Burrough, straight up. I would definitely not consider doing Stroud. I would also actually not do Kyle. I would do Burrow for Kyler straight up on. contenders. I would not do Kyler for Burrough straight up. That's probably a unpopular take. But I would do like I would use Kyler in a deal to get for, I'll buy Burrow for many of the elite quarterbacks basically except for Hertz Allen and Mahomes. But you better pay me. If I'm doing

Lawrence and Tua, I would be willing to do that straight up because I feel like just clearly better about Burrough than those two starting in the offseason. So if I'm rebuilding and it's all the same to me. I'll take Burrow. But yeah, if I'm doing like, I consider Kyler more like akin with Lamar than with the Lawrence and the Tua. So if I'm, if I'm moving you Kyler for Burrow and I'm billing you out, like you pay me. You don't have to pay me a fortune. You don't have to pay me. Like Stroud, I would need, like, I needed, like, I need a first plus to move Stroud for Borough and then the guy effectively did it with what he had the offer. If I'm doing, if I'm doing Kyle are like, sure, give me a second.

All right, I'll take that. But I wouldn't do it straight. Yeah, so initially he wanted Kyler and I had said, no, I said I would move Lawrence, though. And the whole trade was Jake Ferguson, Brian Robinson, and Trevor Lawrence, and I got Burrow a first and a second. So it wasn't like just a straight up one and a two or a Burrow plus a one with how that shook out. But again, on a rebuilding team, that's what you target.

And I agree. I also exnade the Kyler conversation. We have a couple more questions that are. coming in yeah we're doing one question as a Chase and Higgins owner would it here we go would it be worth it for trying to trade for somebody

that used to be at Chase's level using them in some depth in and some depth like Higgins Puga or Achan would it be worth it for trying to trade for somebody that used to be at Chase's level using him so trade away Jemar Chase to get some that one I'm not that's like

a hard no for me that is also The only world, it's basically the same answer I had when Jefferson got hurt, which was the only way I'm trading away Jefferson is if I don't have to move that much and I can then get Chase. It would be the same in reverse now that the turntables have turned, which is like if I can move, if I can move Chase and I can get Jefferson, then sure. I think that the ad would still be more than I'd want to give. Like in that case, the benefit was that I think a lot of people prefer Jefferson long term. And I don't. So I felt like that was like a more viable thing where you could actually just get Jefferson for Chase. Now it's like I think I would probably dislike most of the deals when I'm moving Chase for Jefferson.

And Jefferson's not like, he's still not in the greatest spot in the world, right? Like it's not like he's coming back to Kirk Cousins. Dobbs is fine. I would certainly rather be tied to Josh Dobbs than Jake Browning. But like, I don't know. I'd probably still rather see the lamb rest of season than like Jefferson coming off a hamstring injury with Josh Dobbs. Definitely, definitely agree on that. I would move Chase for Lamb if I got a PLOS.

I don't know if you're getting a PLOS today, but if someone, if someone's rebuilding, it's all the same to them. Give me an early second. I'll do Lamb in an early second for Chase, if that's a possibility. Yeah.

Yeah. Man, I would do that. Look, we got to take a quick second. We come back. We're going to finish that thought. Lucas has to take off. And then we will get out of here. Sit tight.

We'll be right back. Okay. Lucas, very important human being this evening. He has to get out of here, in-laws and whatnot. All right. Jacob, it's you and me. Let's bring this home. All right.

Repeat. Yeah, I think you're right there. I'm just not moving off Chase. I'm not moving off Chase. That's fair enough. Excepting that he is like Amari Cooper for the rest of the season, which is basically how I'm treating him. Probably Garrett Wilson, right?

Probably, yeah. Probably we're looking at. Yeah, no, that's. It hurts. I mean, this Chase. injury like you know i don't i don't roster that much joe burrow so like that injury was i mean every injury is horrible to see from like an injury perspective from a fuck for my fantasy team's perspective that injury didn't really kill me directly but it kills me indirectly because i have a

lot of chase that that uh relies on joe burrow's services 100% uh we have one right here the answer is going to be yes but hi mesa would you trade commette and t for chase seems like a no brainer but two sides, but this is one healthy for one. Yeah, this is an, stop it. This is an undeniable smash.

This, this feels like, this feels like, I'm thinking about setting this offer. If that's offered to you, frankly, I doubt it.

But if it is, then yes, you hit it excess. Yeah, like, if this is a reasonable trade offer sitting in your inbox, yeah,

do that. Some people do panic. We've seen, we have seen panic time trades all the time. And remember, I mean, not everyone's D-Gens like we are.

might come up in the right i mean looking at it that way yeah but this is a no-brainer and i'll phrase it like this mesa if you get the opportunity to take a guy that gets drafted in the top eight picks of a startup for a couple guys oh he really wants leporta good send him laporta um this is mesa right here he really wants the porta so if you got to trade up t higgins and leporta to go and get you mar chase you just don't even think about it you just go yeah sure buddy absolutely but if he's really push you, but give me a third back. But you don't even have to do that if you don't want to.

Obviously, you know your league's better than us and you want to, obviously if they want to up the piece that comes with it, you should be able to do a little give and take and maybe get, I would need less than a grain of salt or grain of sugar just to put me over that edge to make that deal for Chase.

You want Chase. You definitely want Chase, regardless of how he is the rest of the year. He's, Explosion said he was on the fence. Thanks for y'all's opinion. Yeah, anytime, of course. Let's do that.

We've got a trade question for AJ Brown here from the users. This one, I think I know your answer. But trade for AJ Brown question, mark. I'm looking to win this. Okay, well, the last part of this question, I'm assuming is not a one for one because, come on. If it's a one. Yes.

You know, I mean, you never know. It could be. So I don't know. It's hard. Would I trade for AJ Brown? Sure. what would I be willing to give? Two firsts and a throw-in type value.

You know, I would prefer to not actually use like just straight up first to do it. But yeah, I would trade for AJ Brown. I mean, I think that if you're depending on a lot of leagues, right, like in a lot of league situations, it's pretty hard to get rentals. Like this would be a know-your-league situation where if your league is more in the bubble with people who are like very into managing your teams are like very conscious. of the value or teams don't want assets to expire, like then you might just be better off shopping in the discount aisle, right?

And saying like, I'm going to try and I'm going to try and go to whatever manager somehow still has like an old guy on their team. And maybe that's a rebuilder who has not been on the ball until recently. Maybe that's just like a team that was hovering around the middle and they just got Joe Burrow hurt or Mark Andrews hurt or whatever else, right? Like, I think there's a lot of new rebuilders being created on the fly here these last couple weeks. So I would go to one of them and if one of them has a Keenan Allen or a Devante or whatever else, that's your bet.

But in a lot of leagues, those guys are still not cheap. Like in a lot of leagues, it's like Barclay and Echler and Adams and all those guys should in theory be the expiring easy buys are just not. Right. Because of the culture of how some leagues work. So if it's that case, like I would just forget about it. And yeah, I would just rather pay more and go get the guy who's going to help you now and help you later, right?

Like if you're paying a first plus for Devante Adams, like you may as well just pay two first plus plus for A.J. Brown and get a guy who's going to be a pillar of your team for a long time, right? Even guys like a tank dell or a puka or whatever would be guys where it's like not kind of theoretical deadline buys, but if this is the way your league works, if those are actually like priced comparably to the olds, then just go buy them instead, right? Like I don't think they project that differently. but you're getting a long-term member of your team. I think that's a really big point in this too. And that's where if you're going to go and look at, let's say, the difference between like dissecting, okay, this is what the market says I should be going and getting.

If you're told that DeAndre Hopkins, right, is worth a second or two seconds in, quote, market value overall. But your league mates say, no, I want to one. But you can pay marginally more than that and move up for a piece. that's going to have a sustained long-term effect on your roster. Just like Jacob said, just do that. That to me is not a short-term investment with that one. That is saying I have AJ Brown.

I think AJ Brown is going to continue to be. He's having his best year. I mean, buy in on that, have him for a couple of years. And chances are, if you need to pivot, you're still going to be able to sell him for that one price. That's more of what I want to call an investment trade than a, like you said, like a trade deadline buy. And there are a couple of those players.

for sure. And I don't worry about the schedule. I don't really care about that. A.G. Brown is him. Yeah, you got shut down last night, but that's not going to happen. Yeah, I wouldn't worry. That was a very weird game for them. They only ran like 45 plays. I would not worry too much about that AJ Brown game. Right. And this, I like this next question from Ben Irwin. I think this sets up a really good theory point of view that I have been preaching for sure.

This has kind of been our style over the last couple of years. So let's tap into this. Look, if you're in the Fantasy Points Discord channel, we have been in there discussing this at length every day, it feels like, because running back is the most talked about a fucking position in the, what should I do with these running backs? And we like to generalize,

look, if you're not in the playoffs, don't have any, like that unless their name is Paul Gibbs and Robinson. And we'll say a Chan as well. But for the most part, you don't want them. So Ben, when you ask, my team won't make the playoffs this year, mostly because of Jefferson and Lawrence,

I feel that. I've got Sequin and wondered if you would trade him. It would have me pretty weak at running back. You should trade all three of those guys. Trade them all. Yep, that was going to be my thing if Jacob would have let me get through that sentence. I understand why you wouldn't.

Yeah, trade all of them. Trade Pierce to what you can get. It's not going to be pretty. I mean, I trade him for a three right now. It looks Jover in Houston. and Naji, I would definitely be trying to trade if you should have had him traded already if you're finally throwing in the towel.

But yeah, off of his best game of his season will probably be his best game of the season, period. I would definitely be trying to move him, especially if you can get that first, that base one value for Sequin. You should not be rostering running backs until you're ready to make a run in my opinion. Unless you just draft them in a rookie draft,

that's it. But you shouldn't be investing in the position. outside of the rookie draft. If you're a tweener, yeah, your team might be a badass next year. These running backs aren't going to be the difference for you next year either. You need to get rid of them. Yeah, you're going to be able to buy back, you know, and even if you're not, like, I mean, Barkley is just, this is one where like, look, I get it.

If it's, if it's like a, you know, if it's a Jamir Gibbs was on your team and you're rebuilding, I get it. If you're like, you play in a super super liquid league, I might look to sell Jimere Gibbs. It's like he's having this incredible stretch. basically only bad things can happen to them right now. You might get some team willing to really, really overpay. I'd probably listen. But if you're on a, you know, you're in a less liquid league,

it's like, you know, all you're going to want to do next year is go and try to buy running back and someone's going to make you overpay. So sure, you keep the young stud. But, you know, Barclay's value is going down this season late in 26, right? Like it's just no matter what he does. He can have a great finish of the season. His value is depreciating. That's what happens when you,

are in your age 27 off season. And Nausee and Pierce, I mean, who knows, right? Like, you're going to start Barclay for your team next year. I'm sure that someone is. But I don't know even know if you're starting Nogie and Pierce for your team next year. I don't know that you're starting Noggi and Pierce your team this year. So I think it's best to get what you can if you can get anything. I don't know if you can get anything.

Yeah, you don't want the running backs. I wouldn't send them for a third. Like I would need at least a second for Noggi and Pierce. I don't think you're getting Pierce a second for Pierce anywhere. No. Well, then you, well, then I'm keeping him, right? Like, I mean, Pierce at this point is like, it is what he is. I mean, I'd rather have him than a third.

What's the point of a third? You're just drafting a backup running back or a somewhat working wide receiver. Like Pierce, Pierce is shown he can play in the NFL. That's still like worth more to me than a third. Okay. Interesting. What about two thirds? No, I'm not moving Pierce for two thirds.

Okay, okay. I got to. That's fine. You can maybe convince me that that's like an okay thing to do. I don't think Pierce has it, in my opinion. I think, I mean, I didn't believe in him out of college. Maybe that's a look at how I evaluated him.

I never believe. And I thought even his big boom production games were underwhelming at best. So I just think he's replacement level, in which case I'm trying to get that third to try to hit on the next tight end that I can sell for a second after two games of production or the easy answers to him of Pua, etc.

But there's some real value in those thirds. So yeah, I think I'm comfortable. Not Naji, though. I would want the... Yeah, Nashi is... I mean, he's a first-round pick. So, like, as much as he may not want to hear it, he's not going anywhere, right?

Like, he's... He may not like starting him, but he's certainly not going to be, like, out of the league or anything like that. And at the very least, you know, he's probably just going to be in a time share with Jalen Warren for the next rest of this year and next year. And, you know, people always talk about,

like, oh, if Naji got hurt, imagine what kind of upside Jell and Warren would have. And his upside would be high. because he's better. But like, if Shail and Warren got hurt, then Naji's back to a 90% opportunity share again. And he'll score a lot of fantasy points, whether he's good or not with that, right?

Completely agree. You'll get no arguments from me there. All right, let's hit this one here. I like this one. This goes out to all the contenders out there. And in a way, should peak the interest of rebuilders as well, to an extent.

The question reads like this. To what extent do you ensure your contenders and strong playoff squad? I have an example of this from last year, but there's a couple of teams I'm somewhat thin at a position where one or two injuries could really sink the team or at least affect the chance of a buy, the ever important buy.

There's nothing worse than being like the best, like most points four in the league, finishing third, knocking into the buy and getting dumped by KJ Osborne in the first week of the play. Oh, worse than I'm in two leagues right now. I checked last night just for fun. I'm two leagues that I'm in,

the team who is highest in points four is not in a playoff. out spot. Yeah, it's brutal. Let's see. Maybe that gets settled over the next three weeks, but it's close to that in the home league right now. It's very depressing. Where was they? A chance at a buy. Are you proactively paying for more depth or letting it ride? For example, I've got some teams where I've been hammering people at QB and Tideen with a single stud running back, but I'm also

flexing guys like OBJ during bye weeks, and he would be the next man up. On the flip side, I don't know where the other half of this. It seems like, it seems like the, oh, he's He like, I guess when he typed the question, it must have typed in two. Oh, here we go. On the flip side, are you ever selling studs that got you the buy and just letting variance take hold if you're getting strong offers? For example, the mid first for Kenan, two first for CMC, tearing off Tyreek in a second

for a lave and a first. Deal where you're winning in the value market, but losing in the points market. That's a lot of questions there. Yes. I'll go one by one. You want to attack first. Would I ensure my playoff teams? Probably not.

See, I'm different there. No, I probably would not spend, like if I'm spending assets, I would just want to spend assets. You know, it's sort of the gym sorgy. We don't practice fucked approach. Half the time that you spend stuff on depth, I've done that back in time, and it's almost always regrettable.

Half the time you spend stuff on depth, either the depth that you start socks, or you don't end up needing it, or you end up with other depth on your bench that you didn't know you had because you weren't counting on Zach Charbonnet being useful, but then Ken Walker gets hurt.

So now you already have the depth you need. Like, so I, I just prefer not to like spend my precious few assets on stuff that you might not need or might not be impactful. So I'm not doing that. I would maybe do it like the only area where I might do it is to like add a serviceable QB3 if I could get one cheap. Like that's probably maybe the one area. I would, especially in like some six point touchdown leagues or something like that where losing a quarterback is practically a death blow. on the flip side, yeah, on the flip side part, yes, I'm definitely doing that. I probably wouldn't get to the point of like selling like CMC just straight up for

picks outside of like very specific circumstances. Right. But absolutely. Like it again, it really does depend on the team and the team composition. But I'll give like the example of one team that I have where I would and one team that I have where I wouldn't. So like both good teams that are are near the top of the standing. So my home league team, for instance, the current starting lineup is Josh Allen, Trevor Lawrence, Bejohn Robinson, Yvonne A. Chan, Diggs, A.J. Brown, C.D. Lamb, Brandon Ayuk. Deontay Johnson is probably like my last flex or Jerome Ford or whoever. And tight end sad face was Mark Andrews. It's now Dallas Goddard when he comes back and Isaiah likely till then.

What I move, you know, would I move Stefan Diggs on that team? Fuck no. Because like he's basically my only old player. It's like I have a pretty young team with Lamb and Bijon and AJ Brown and just guys of the bench that half picks. So like I'm not, he's kind of the only guy where I'm getting that like production that's greater than the value. And I'm happy just riding him until he dies. On another team, I have a team where it's like I have Mahomes and Josh Allen. That's part great. But then my starting lineup is basically a redraft team. It's like Austin Eccler.

Yeah. Travis E. Etienne. Cup, Diggs. Adams, Kelsey, Debo, and Dalton Schultz is like first and off the bench. And then it's like basically nothing else. So it scores a million points. Like that team is clearly in first place in the league right now. But I would love to sell off one of those old men at the deadline because realistically, like I've already clinched the buy. I'm going to have a

reasonable chance to win any playoff matchup. Could any given trade be the reason that I lose? Sure. but like you know it could also be the reason you win it's not like the the highest right stephan digs scored six points this week and tanked all scored 32 so it's not like it's some it's only going to guarantee to work one way um i would like to ideally move one of those superstars for a younger version of similar value um and see if that's possible you know is it who knows but that would be one where i'm like i've kind of these guys have accomplished what they set out to this year and for now i'm probably more worried about the future and just hoping that I can win with what I have left.

See, and I'm kind of a little bit of the opposite where I don't mind going out and trying to find some vet that I can get relatively cheap and stash them on my bench. I know I traded last year in a situation where I needed to secure the buy. The person I was playing was down on his luck at the time, but he was kind of going to be the difference if I lost that game. I traded for Mike Evans off of that guy's roster.

the person I was playing. I traded for Mike Evans off of his roster, got him on to mine, paid a second form. This was a couple years ago, paid a second form, and I think end a third, and just made sure that he had those points off of his team and ended up kind of, yes, it was kind of the difference. It was during one of his just insane stretches

that Mike Evans went on to have. So I am no problem trying to secure that buy if it means giving up a little bit of that, that late second draft capital going and getting guys that aren't necessarily just rentals but are still vets if that kind of makes sense like do i want to pay for just like a fill-in spot like elijah more for depth on my team no i wouldn't pay for something like that these guys that might be on those tweener teams like a mike evans yeah i would absolutely want to go out and secure that because you're not paying that super significant draft capital and if you can do it for a 25 pick, I would just do that because you can get that 25 pick back when you need to pivot. At least you have a better chance of getting that one back at a reasonable cost compared to anything in 24 now is pretty much going to be a lost cause. So I think there's ways around it. I think there are definitely ways that you can go and secure it. On the other side, I'm with you on

that. I would try and retrade some of these vets. If you look at the Home League, as I mentioned, we talk about it a lot in these situations. I have a bunch of aging things. I have a bunch of aging vets. This team is all aging vets and I am actively trying to trade away Cooper Cup Devante Adams, Christian McCaffrey, one of these guys to kind of recoup some of that and then get

someone else to fill in in the aggregate because I don't like putting all my eggs in that basket seeing as how the, you know, I've had a couple tough losses and there's no such thing as going all in and winning it. So I think that's important to note for your rosters. I think it's

very important to note. There's no such thing as yeah, I'm going to go all in and trade my first this year for this running back. Look what happened a couple of years ago when it was Nick Chub. Everyone, Nick Chub was like, go buy Nick Chub now. You're going to win your leagues if you trade a first plus for Nick Chub. And down the stretch, he did dittily fucking squat. There's no such thing as a should go trade for Derek Henry. Derek Henry is going to be a league winner.

Didn't do dittily shit in those games, right? Like, there's no such thing as being a guarantee. You can go out and trade for a guy and he goes out and he puts up. fucking five points for you. And you were better off playing KJ Osborne in a playoff matchup than you were paying Mike Evans in some situation. So there's no such thing

as quote unquote pushing all of my chips in. I think that that is just one of the biggest flaws in the dynasty fantasy football community. I don't think it's real. When you get to the playoffs, the variance matters so much more.

You're removing. You're removing. so many variables that no, I just completely disagree with the philosophy. Side tangent, but I disagree with the philosophy. Just a little side tangent. I notice yeah, it's it just I see it a lot and it makes me. I totally agree.

Yeah, I see it. You can't buy a championship, right? You can marginally increase your odds. And not all trades are are created equal in that regard. Right. Like it's the, you have to try and try and picture your team, right? The trade deadline trades, have the most impact are going to be the ones that accomplish multiple things for you,

right? And so that's, you want to think about this year and beyond, or you want to think about getting a buy and making your team better in the playoffs or, you know, this is a little sketchier, but like getting into the playoffs and winning in the playoffs, like if you're just locked into the five seed and you're going to be the five seed, that that trade is going to have a harder time making a major impact for you. It's going to come down to exactly how massive a hole you're filling and likewise if you're already the one seat right like people will say like you know it's an unbeatable

team there isn't an unbeatable team so it does come down to that we had a guy in our this let's just go back to the home league again if you guys want more home league stories boy we have plenty of them it's it's been a ride Adam was the runaway favorite for this thing he had

Christian McCaffrey 2019 with Echler and Brady and Keenan Allen like this was an all-star squad. He lost in the semifinals because his opponent, Sidney, picked up Brashad Paraman before he could. And that was the ultimate difference. It wasn't a trade. It wasn't at the deadline. It wasn't

moving her picks. It wasn't any other than she picked up a backup, backup wide receiver for a stretch run in 2019 that paid off big. Now, she lost to me. But, in the end, but she got there on a waiver wire ad. It wasn't even a deadline deal. And this juggernaut of a team missed out on a waiver wire ad because he didn't bet enough fab. So it could be variance just kills you like that.

100%. It absolutely can. I don't think we answered this first question, but why don't you go ahead and ask this the speculate of ads? I think this would translate. I want to get into how do you, how do you dissect going from the market value quote unquote and then applying that to your micro market.

I want to get into that and I think this is a good way to do it. Are there speculative ads running back you like for 2024 value or is it generally better to keep that value in picks and buy in season next year? So I mean generally speaking yes to the latter if you can. Like if I'm already in a spot where I have two running backs I'm happy with, I'd probably not buy me running backs. Like in terms of my, my deadline shopping list, like there might be a couple teams. I haven't surveyed through all my teams yet.

There might be a couple teams where I took on enough injuries where I might need a stop gap at running back. But I think I probably have guys that I can start. If it comes down to it, like if I have to start like Jalen Warrens and Gus Edwards and Jerome Fords and stuff, like that's generally okay with me. So basically, I'm either paying for like a true elite guy, right? And that kind of requires a specific set of circumstances, right? Like I basically need that guy to become available.

So at this point in time, would I pay up for a breeze haul or a Gibbs? Yes, in theory, practice, it might just be too expensive in a given spot. If the McCaffrey manager, something befell them or if they are willing to move it. Like, you know, you just mentioned that McCaffrey's available in Tundra. That's a guy I would make a massive offer for. Like I would doubt I would consider it. That's a needle moving player. Send it, baby.

You get that? What I move, what I, you know, what I'm for like these kind of other guys, like the mixins, all the way up to Pollards or whoever else you want to bring up, it's any other name. It's like, okay, if you're getting a value because someone is selling them off, great. But I wouldn't really go out on my way to go and buy like a veteran running back at this stage outside of McCaffrey, who I mentioned because he's going to score a lot of points, right? So I would be trying to look at either just getting by or if I had to buy someone, like to me, if I'm going to take a speculative shot on a running back in that second round range,

give me one of the younger guys where it's like I probably get started from the rest of the year and I get a scratch off ticket for next year. So like Rashad White's an example of a guy where it's like, I don't even really like Rashad White, but he's young. So at least he has theoretical possibility of value next year. Same goes for James Cook. Same goes for Isaiah Pacheco. Same goes for Jerome Ford.

Same goes for Jalen Warren. Like all these guys who kind of live in this range, like if you could get them for less than a first, I would rather spend a little bit more. more on them than the other crew because at least you're buying some sort of possibility at them being a multi-year solution. Kairn Williams is another example of a guy. And I don't necessarily like all these players, but you're at least like spinning the dial. And honestly, it's a pretty good year, I think, to be a mediocre starting running back

because the 2024 running back class is very, very poor. So I think, like, frankly, if you look at all sort of the running backs that are going to age out, like some of these olds, that just won't be able to play anymore. I don't think there's actually enough young running backs coming into the league as rookies to fill all those spots. So I think if you are like a cook, Pacheco, White, Kyron, Ford, like these types of guys that we would normally think of as just probably waiting for a replacement. I think a higher percentage of them escape unscathed than we normally see this sausage. Right. Nope.

I agree. I agree with that. I will say though, I'm happy paying like base one one prices for Rashad White. I'm actually okay doing that. Oh, man. I am. Yeah, I'm not up with that. See, I'm okay.

Again, I've mentioned this 25 class, I think, multiple times. I think you can send away a 25-1, get Rashad White with something on top of White, and I'm actually pretty okay doing that. Rashad White does the one thing you want from a running back in PPR format, and that's Catch Everything. He is a receiving back. He is young enough. And like Jacob said, the class is just not it this year.

I think he has legitimate upside potential, and he's just been so good this year. He's getting an Alvin Camaro role right now, and I don't see that changing next year. So I'm more comfortable doing it. Don't want to do it. I would love to target Rashad White and not have to pay that price if it's somebody like Jacob. But that's where knowing your market value and your league value are different. For the most part, you're not getting Rashad White without paying a first. because people just see his production and they go,

that's what his value is. Yeah, my take on White is just like, I mean, for as long as he stays in this role, we should just keep projecting him very well. Like he, it's, I don't know, it's similar to like, honestly, it's similar to Fournette, who was in this offense before.

Like, it's like, I, I think at this point in time, we have two years of evidence that suggests Rashad White's a horrendously inefficient runner. He's still third from the bottom in RYOE this year. It doesn't create out in any good. doesn't grant it well in any running back events metrics. We also now have way more evidence this year than last year that he's an excellent receiver.

So, like, I really doubt that he's super long for this world in this massive of a workhorse role. Like, I think he would be far better served from a real life perspective being a receiving back, who is like a change of pace guy on early downs. But, you know, who knows? It's the way it is with running backs. Like, we see these guys. So he'll keep scoring a ton of points over the rest of the year. That part, I promise you.

I have a hard time giving up once for players. I don't believe in his real life talents, but it's pretty easy to see how that works out. Yeah, I think it's fair. It's just my belief. This is where Jacob and I were different players. So it's what it comes down to. It's what I'm comfortable with.

Out of the running backs that are 24 years old that are a little bit middling, that you can kind of blame on situation, like the data suite is not kind to the fantasy points data suite, I should say, and go full promo, is not kind to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers running. offense just as a whole. It's not kind to them. So I'm not willing to put all of that on there.

But again, the elite upside to running backs is past catching and he can do that. If he gives me James White, like prime James White pass catching in this kind of offense, no, no issues with that production this year and next. And again, it's a 25. That's my preferred move. I don't want to move 24 ones. I want to move 25s at this point in the year. I don't even, I don't really want 24s at this point if they're not early,

which how the hell are you going to get one of those it'd be so few and far between yeah and get one of those in the home league yeah oh yeah after you on the blog and that that Marty won all of a sudden burned a hole in my pocket yeah it does look pretty good it does look also just for fun can we just

talk about why your league should change to a lottery format for the rookie draft because oh it's way more fun trades okay and this is a trade specific show if you want to add a little something extra look I know the running joke now, Jacob, you're not in there, but the, which I'd love to get you in there one day.

The fantasy points discord is already, is already sending me the like, this is a single QB league. And in brackets, it says, I know. And just like, it's already, we're already making major changes to league formats. The lottery draft pick is the most exciting thing in the world for you for first. It changed all. Everything. it's it's fantastic first of all it's a blast in terms of like if you especially for home leagues you know it gives you another excuse to get the gang together you have the draft lottery right bring people over

have the lottery vent you can you can even unveil all the envelopes and stuff it's fun so that that adds an intrigue but in any league in a lot of the leagues i commission i have a draft lottery because it does add an extra element of strategy where like let's take this example of this uh of this home league that we're in, right? I have another manager's pick who at this point in time, he's borderline locked into finishing nine. So the single most likely scenario is that pick is going to be the 104. But the way our lottery works, that pick will have a one and seven chance of being 101. And it'll have a little less than a six and seven chance of being 104. And if somehow the 105 or the 106 win the lottery, which I guess is also a one and seven chance, then it's the 105, right? So it's basically

70% the 104, 15% the 101 and 15% the 105. And it's like, it's very interesting because it's like, I don't really know how to value that pick. Like if I knew it was the 104, I'd be like, okay, it's going to be like Bowers or neighbors or Henderson or whatever and it's worth this many base ones and we'll figure it out. But like, yeah, when I'm moving that pick, it's like, I probably want a little better than the 104 because in the off chance that I end up trading the Caleb Williams pick, right? The other fun part is if you start stacking them, like I'm in another league with a draft lottery where I have currently three firsts that are projected to be in the lottery. And now it's like each successive first is worth even more to me because it's like I need I just need to secure the rest of these lottery odds, right?

Like I would pay like 120% of the value of that first because at this point in time like, look, I've already so invested in this lottery class. I don't have someone else to win their lottery with their but they're just with their one little pick. So it makes it a lot of fun. I recommend it. It also, I think, makes, you know, it just makes the trades very interesting to navigate. And it makes the end of the season very interesting to navigate when you're tanking because you end up rooting for like,

oh my God, if this guy can just miss the playoffs and I get one little ping pong ball. Right. It's very fun. And like real implications. Last year is the perfect example of this. I'll use the league of record, not the home league. I know that's going to get confusing to everybody. Yeah. Hang in there tight with them.

enough. You'll get it. We'll still Dynasty podcast. That's League of Record. Our Home League is actually the first Dynasty League Jacob and I ever did and it is bananas. But in the League of Record, we have the lottery system. Last year

Jacob missed the playoffs thanks to a last minute, Julio Jones reception that had me beat him and it kicked him out of the playoffs. He was sitting in the 106 spot and one 101. We did the lottery and he won the rights

to the first overall pick in the draft which has insanely changed the course of his entire season and that was a trade made if I'm not mistaken a year or two before that draft came up. You pre-bought that first if I remember correctly.

It changes everything. A trade that you made, if you're trading for 2026 picks, guess what? That motherfucker could be a lottery pick. It would end up being a lottery pick and it could end up being 101. Right now, in the home league, you're sitting on a guy's first that could miss the playoffs.

You are on pace to win the whole league. You got Bejohn in that one too from a later spot. And now you could end up with Caleb. And it just changes the whole complexity of tanking and rebuilding and shaping your trades and how important it is to go in the future.

I implore you to please, please this offseason. Join us Dynasty League. that uses the lottery. There might even be some fantasy points user dynasty leagues going down.

I'm pretty sure I've heard that somewhere. So guess what it's going to end up being a fucking lottery because they are dope. Okay, we're at an hour and 14. Do you have any more trade thoughts? Players that you're into buying,

players that you're not, players you're staying away from. Probably not particular. I mean, you know, I never like to do the like, this guy's a buy, this guy's a sell, because I feel like it usually ends up going with the market. I think we talked through a ton of trades. Oh, I got, we talked about the injured guys.

I got a lot of questions about Tank Dell. So, yes, he is. He is the working wide receiver one in my most recent updates. And I would move up to 1.5 base first for him. Interesting. Interesting. I find that. You think that's a sustainable.

See, there are red, now, how much of this is just because he's C.J. Stroud's like dude right now. Part of it. I mean, it's a chunk of it, right? Like, I guess I was, I don't think that there's that much of a difference between this Ricky season profile and Puckus. Like Puckus is a little bit more sustained because it happened immediately, but he hasn't done all that much in a while. I think that they're similar.

I think Dell from a like, what do you do on a football field perspective to me has actually showed the more varied way to get there in terms of winning after the catch, winning downfield, like the way he's used on scheme touches, but then he's also a downfield winner. like and and yeah the strout thing matters right like that's one of the spots quarterback can't make you good but if we're just comparing wide receivers who are already confirmed good or confirmed great or whatever like what are the spots you want your rookie what are the spots you want your

wide receiver to be in right now if you can pick anywhere in the world it's like with burrow with herbert with stroud right like i think that's those three guys where you're with that pocket passing quarterback for the entirety of their career i i mean it it matters a lot I don't think C.D. Lamb is a dramatically different talent than Garrett Wilson, Chris Olive, and all those other guys, right? But he's the one who is most liable to be able to rip off this kind of stress that he's on, because life's a lot better with Dak Prescott than Zach Wilson. Okay. I see that. However, let's say for some reason they bring in a round one wide receiver to help bolster. Even if I think it's unlikely, I think it's going to be an interior lineman somewhere on the defense.

that's where I think it's going to go. However, if they just decide they're going to bring in a round one wide receiver, would that immediately change your perspective on what you think Tankdale's future value is going to be? Like, is his value... I mean, not really. There's no, like... Enough to survive that kind of impact. Yeah.

I think so for sure. I mean, is it going to... I think that Nico is probably a little bit more risk to that. And I think he's good and is a totally fine buy too. But like 2.40 yards per route run. That's completely bananas. It's an absolutely elite figure. That's just behind Puka in this class and not by much.

I would honestly bet on him to pass him by the end of this. He's at 0.24 targets per route run. That's absolutely terrific. And then again, we talk about the varied usage. So tank dell is now all of a sudden emerging is this air yard threat. He's up over a 30% air yard share now, despite not being a full route player to start the year. 13.8 ADOT. That's number 12 highest ADOT in the whole league, and he's up over 24% targets per outrun. These are elite figures independent of the offensive efficiency that's getting boosted.

His role is absolutely phenomenal. He's separated now, I think, from ego columns a little bit, to where it's at the very least a 1A1B, not a co-number one. It's probably tracking closer towards a 1-2. I might be at the point in this class where I think it's quite possible to the top three-wide or Severs in this class, we're all drafted round three or later. Wow. See, I think Zay Flowers is the truth, but... I like Flowers. I think it's clearly Dell won.

I'm not even a Puka guy, but I really can't argue with the production. I think he's two. And I get why people have him won over Dell. And then I think it's an argument. And I think Downs is a part of the argument within the next group. Interesting. Okay. I'm not that far off.

I will say... With the other three round one, guys. Of course, Addison and Flowers and JSN, not obviously KUJ is no longer in the I think one of the players to me that I think would really benefit from the old will if you put him in this situation, they're really not that much different. It's Chris Alave for me, who's 23, Tankdale's 24. Sure. If you were to put Chris Alave in this Houston offense, we're looking at like top top top two, top three in the league, in my opinion.

So I think there is a case to be made there. I know people just get freaked out about that age 24 already, like the super late late. I think people get freaked out by that. But we're talking about 24, not 31. So I guess you're right. I think I might have to go. I think you've actually changed my mind. It's 16.4 points per game this year, by the way, which is like unreal.

I was going to say that he's kind of like a hot sell to me. But I think you've, I think you've crisscross applesauced me into buy Tank Dell. That's interesting. We have one from Bango that I actually missed. Should I trade CD Lamb for 2 24 first? I already. I have two already. So I have two top six and four overall first in a 12 team Superflex dynasty. This sounds like a complete teardown.

No, I would keep CDLAM for that price. What if both of those were the ones that are giving them multiple top six? It sounds like a key tear down. If those are the two, I mean, I'm assuming that they're not because... I think it's a safe assumption, but... Yeah, I would sell him for probably close to three base first value. So two top six first would be fine. It would be another first.

Really? Even... But I'm also fine just... Like, unless you need to shed points, like, if you're already at two... If you already have two top six firsts, I think... It's like, how bad is your team? You know, like, you already have two top six first and you're... Do you need to shed points?

okay, if you don't need to shed points and you already have two firsts, unless you have a very low value team, the rest of your team, I would probably just want to keep CDLAM unless I'm given like just something I totally can't refuse. If you do need to shed points or your team remains very low value, such that you need to add more assets, I would at least, I would probably need three full first at this point to sell CDLAM. Interesting. I think it's a good point. And I think it, I think it kind of plays into that you don't have to trade all of your players. you don't have to trade all your good players I think that I agree with Jacob here

I would be countering maybe asking for a second two seconds a second in a player whatever to try to get you that little bit extra but I think there is a time where shedding points is detrimental more than it is helpful like if your team's already locked into like the 101 the 102 the 103

are you Cideland might not be the guy you want to get rid of right like if they're late ones or whatever you don't have to try. You only get rid of a CD land if it's a necessity or if you get an offer that you can't refuse. You definitely don't need to force trade a him away. It's not going anywhere.

You still want, so when you're point shedding, you still want to, and keep this in mind for your trade deadlines. If you're point shedding, you still want to have value on your roster before you go into the drafts. You don't want points on your roster. If that makes, I hope that sentence makes sense to you

because it makes sense to me. You still want to have long-term value and value on your, teams, you do not have to go bare bones to the cupboards unless like four people in your league are already doing it and you're just trying to keep up at that point. It can be very hard to come back from that. You don't want to you don't want to liquidate to a point where it is a detriment to your roster. There, there we go. I got it out in a way that makes more sense. But I think people are doing that right now and I think to a point it can actually be very problematic to

the point where you're taking bad value deals to get there. Yeah, you don't want to do that. I mean, you never want to be taking intentionally bad deals. Yeah. Just, oh, I just had to. Well, I mean, you don't. You don't really.

But I feel like that's important because we've been talking a lot about point shedding in the fantasy points discord. And I wanted to point out that it's not necessarily the best in mind to shed everything. But running backs, shed all those. All right. Final points. I want to point out. One player who I've loved a lot. You've loved him as well.

And I made you a graphic form. It was your Twitter banner for a little while. You can we pour one out for Aaron Jones? Like, he has been a trade deadline god for years. And I mean, I'm waiting for an update on his leg, but from what it looked like. It sounds like he's fine. No way, really? Spring down C.L week to week.

week. All right, never mind. I'm not going to do a sad. It's funny because I actually, I posted this in my, I posted in my Sunday Drive column today. I was like, I fully expected to do yet another soliloquy for one of my favorite players, summarizing like their career-hending injury. And then somehow, some way, I mean, when I watched it live, I thought it was, I thought he was for sure ACL. Like, I watched it. I watched it. I watched it. watched it live. He goes in the car. He has the towel over his face. I was like, that's, that's career for,

for Aaron, but he lives on. Sounds, sounds like he's probably going to even be back for the fantasy playoffs. Wow. Unreal. Yeah. Not going to play on Thursday, but he's, all things considered, it sounds like it's the best possible news. It doesn't even sound like he's an IR candidate. Interesting. Okay, never mind. I'm going to,

I'm going to stop that. Last I had seen, it was still like, oh, you could probably drop him. So I hadn't double checked on that. So that's on me. That's my dad. Mastead said, see way too much of that. I think it's referring to taking bad deals to point shed when it's really just bad for you.

And we don't want that. Look, we're going to, I think that does it. I mean, I don't have anything else on my sheet. We've already done the player takes. This is a good time.

I think we'll do more of these, a lot of these in the off season coming up. And I think we are going to actually revisit this when we get into the fantasy playoffs for people that don't have a trade deadline. I think it'll be really good to touch base on this, but we're kind of getting to the point now where it is time to look towards 2024 and how we're approaching, building our rosters.

And that's exciting. And I can't. Jacob, final thoughts and your thinking about thinking for the week. Yeah, no more final thoughts. Go live long, prosper, be merry, et cetera. Thinking about thinking we have Sunday drive is back. Last week, we did the full rankings update. I didn't have that.

I did make a emergency post in response to the borough and Andrews injuries on Friday. So if you have not checked that out and you have any borough or you have any Andrews or you want to trade for Borough or Andrews, definitely go and go ahead and do that and read that. Otherwise, yeah, might have something up this week, free deadline related, perhaps this week or next. And then I'll definitely have some stuff on some of the playoff contests, Underdog and FFPC Playoff Challenge once we get into. kind of fantasy playoff mode. So keep an eye out for that. If I need to have stuff up your alley. Oh, I'll be on ship chasing tomorrow night for the Thanksgiving preview episode.

So you can catch me at 9 Eastern time for an hour with Dalton Cates, Ben Gretsch, Packerang, Pete Overset. So that'll be fun. Right. Mesa says good one better than last week. Wow. Shots fired at last week's episode. Jeez.

You don't like an hour and 45 minute long. C.J. Stroud is going to be a Hall of Famer talk. Damn. Yeah. Nothing but correct takes. Look, and correct takes. Okay.

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