Fantasy Football Daily - Training Camp Risers & Early Winners | Fantasy Football 2025 News You NEED to Know

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

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Training camp news you need to know for fantasy football 2025. Fantasy Football Daily with Theo Greminger, joined again by Brett Whitefield. Brett, I had to have you come back on. We're getting to be right in the mix in training camp. We've got a number of preseason games this week. We had the Lions, Your Lions, Chargers game down in Canton. That dropped. So, like, we're very much in the mix.

Every day we're getting more and more information coming out of training camp, some positive vibes, some negative vibes. We're going to talk about the things that fantasy managers need to know. And we're going to kick off the show by starting out with one of your favorite rookies in the 2025 class, R.J. Harvey. Every single day, we're getting some video leaking from camp where R.J. Harvey just cooks some defender in a one-on-one drill. Usually he's catching a pass. There's been some nasty highlights of him as a runner. there's been very positive reports from the beat reporters about RJ Harvey. And now we're starting to hear like kind of a slow drip.

And we hate using this term because we've thrown out the word Joker for a lot of different players over the years. And it hasn't always come into fruition. But it sounds like RJ Harvey in the Joker role is in the range of outcomes this year in Denver. Now, that's also interesting with Harvey because if he's getting that past catching role, alongside with the rushing opportunities we anticipate he'll get, we could be talking about RB1 production. Yeah, the Joker, we're probably overusing the term of Joker at this point, but to that point, I think it's pretty clear Sean Peyton likes unique skill sets that

force mismatches, force the defense's hands to get opportunities there. So RJ Harvey in a role like that makes a ton of sense, right? So like when I evaluated him, one of the things that stuck out to me is like, Like he not only had legit passing production, like the way it came was different than any other running back in the class where he was getting targeted 20 yards downfield a lot. Like he had five or six catches on balls thrown 20 plus yards downfield. That's rare for a running back. So in a college football, you know, scheme where running backs just don't get targeted a lot. And then you have a guy who got targeted a lot and got targeted on like really high value type routes, mismatch type routes.

I'm not shocked to see that he's really thriving in that role in Denver. So yeah, I mean, he's an absolute stud. He's got phenomenal hands catch technique. I mean, he's a great route runner. Total package. He's explosive. He's a, you put a lineback on him.

He's going to cook that guy every single time. So I for sure think Sean Peyton had had something in mind when he drafted him to be a, a joker type player where we can force the defense's hand and get mismatches out of it. Yeah, it's really exciting for Harvey. I think people like lose, lose into account like what a. plus level athlete he is, had a number of like really, really long runs was one of the best in the country at runs like over 10 yards, runs over 20 yards, any sort of metric you want to look at.

And then people will point out and say, like, he had the college receiving production, but it wasn't like over the top production. It's because he was just so efficient as a runner, 48 rushing touchdowns, nearly 4,000 rushing yards in his time at Central Florida and then gets the second round draft capital. So for me, RJ Harvey, it's been like a kind of a swinging fence here where he had the early ADP steam. Then it pulled back a little when J.K. Dobbins signed. And now I think it's trending back up. Do you think that there is a universe where J.K. Dobbins thrives as a runner.

And RJ Harvey gets like maybe 45% of the carries, but also gets almost all of the targets. and they form sort of a de facto Montgomery Gibbs type one two punch in Denver? Or are you looking at like a clear RJ Harvey winner with Dobbins mixing in? Yeah, I think the most realistic outcome early on until Dobbins suffers his first injury probably is the 55, 45 split in the run game and then Harvey being the primary pass catcher. But I mean, Dobbins is super fragile, right? And then RJ Harvey, we've seen before rookie players ascend towards the end of the year because they get more familiar with the offense. And I think one of the biggest deficiencies Harvey had coming out was the pass protection stuff.

We know college running backs. They spend literally, they spend three minutes a week in pass pro drills. So getting the NFL, there's a steep learning curve there. But it usually kicks in week five, week six, week seven, where you start to see the massive improvements there, which is going to get Harvey on the field more. So I do think by the end of the year, you're for sure looking at a clear cut. RB one for at least that's my take on it. So you know, you're, you're our kind of a resident ball knower and, and you're not necessarily checking ADP every

day like some of us at fantasy points. Um, but I'll just bounce off, you know, just your general vibes. I'll be to throw out a couple of running backs who are going right next to RJ Harvey in high stakes drafts right now. RJ, and you could just, you can make this as short or as long as you want. Okay. RJ Harvey Harvey or Trayvion Henderson. RJ Harvey. R.J. Harvey or James Connor. Oh, I'll go on. You can say both, you can say both too. I think it's fine because I think Connor has a,

I know where you're at because I think Connor also is in a great role. Connor's going to get you off to a fast start. I just think it's a, if you're going a little game theory here, and I'm looking at who's going to score more points for me in the fantasy football playoffs? Yep. I'd rather bet on the younger back there.

So I think it's a structural decision. But again, James Connor, fine click. Nobody's going to make fun of you here for drafting James Connor. I think he's going to off to a very fast start. I pivoted to Harvey last second because I heard Scott Barrett in my head saying upside wins championships, upside wins championships. So I think Connor might have that higher established floor. If you think about a Trey Benson maybe cutting into that a little bit even and then down the stretch, Harvey taken over that offense. I do think Harvey in the fantasy football playoffs is the better option there. So Harvey. And Scott Barrett's big draft article drops

I think this week, like very, very soon after we record this, if you want to get something off of your fantasy points subscription this year, use the code Theo 2025, get you a nice little discount there, get access to all of the great content we have over on the site, all of our award winning rankings, our dynasty rankings, all of my articles and all of Brett's information. And then Brett, you've got to give a little plug for fantasy points data. If you want to take your fantasy game, to the next level this year. Fantasy points data, you can also use the code Theo 2025. Maybe talk about some things coming out of fantasy points data. Yeah, I mean, there's some updates coming for sure. I know we're going to be having EPA drop in there, which is a fun stat. It's not super fantasy driven, but it is football driven. And so, you know, the best way to predict future fantasy outcomes, in my opinion, is to know the game of football really well. So you can kind of see which, you know, which players are are dominating an EPA, which team setups are dominating an EPA.

We had a bunch of really cool, I think, minor experience level tweaks that are coming out. Those will be trickling in from now all the way through September. But still, like, separation to me is the biggest thing. Man, you want to predict future winners in fantasy at wide receiver. Check out those separation numbers. Like that is predictive. It is the most predictive non-production stat on the market, period. We've tested it against every other, you know, whether.

that's NFL's separation score or ESPN's separation score. Like we've tested against all that. It is the most predictive non-production score on the market. So you want to get in the game, especially early on in the season, see you to pick up on the waiver wire. Check out the guys that are outperforming, you know, from a separation standpoint. Separation generally starts to earn targets. And that's where fantasy points are scored.

Yeah. And it's interesting. You bring up fantasy points data being like getting you ahead of the curve. you bring up the waiver wire, but Scott Barrett and I, early in the year on School of Scott, we're sort of pounding the table on trade for Ladd-McConkie in redraft, trade for Ladd-McConkey in redraft because, you know, not only was he getting the very valuable slot snaps, which also you can find on fancy points data, but the separation for Ladd-McConkey was there, and we started predicting these spike weeks, and anybody who listened to us on that, I just was cashing checks.

and at the end of the season when Lad was putting up huge, huge fantasy scoring numbers, now Ladd-McConkie is going early in the second round sort of everywhere. And just looking at fantasy points data, I think the big metric for RJ Harvey is last year, Giovante Williams had an 11.6% target share and ended up with, I believe, 3.9 targets per game, 66 total targets. I think if we can project RJ Harvey to absorb those 66 total targets, which were, by the way, top five among all running backs last year for Javante Williams, just to show you like how little he did with the usage he received.

If you just take R.J. Harvey and put him right in the J.V. Williams role. I mean, I think you're talking about potentially R.B.15 floor, just based on how much more explosive and how much better a player he is. Let's take a quick break. And we come back. We're going to talk about a couple of running back risers, specifically tank Bigsby and Braylon Allen and see where Brett's at on them this year. What's up? I'm John Hansen.

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Like throughout the offseason, we talked about Bachel Tutton, talked about Travis Eton. Tank Bigsby was always the number three drafted running back in Jacksonville. Now he's on his way to being the first running back selected off the board in terms of ADP, because it seems like he's leading this backfield every single day. Where are you at on Tank Bigsby? And specifically, I can kind of see where this conversation is going. My question to you is a little more nuanced. So he averaged like four and a half yards of carry last year at seven rushing scores,

was way more efficient as a runner. but every time people talk about Tank Bigsby, they say, the guy can't catch passes. The guy can't catch passes. He had 62 receptions at Auburn. Could it be that it was the previous coaching staff not wanting to use him in that role or not trusting him in that role? And he could just be like not a great pass catcher,

but maybe catches 35 passes this year, catches 40 if he's on the field a lot or is that too much to ask? Not too much to ask at all, man. I like well first of all let me start by saying I by far when he was coming out I was the highest on tink bigsby of anyone at fantasy points so Scott will probably fundamentally disagree with me on my tink bigsby love but I do think he's he's a good football player he was a good pass catcher and he's a good pass protector too coming out I actually predicted this time last year that Bigsby would take over the third down roll as a pass protector and pass catcher and people thought that was crazy because Etienne is a good atienne's a fake good pass catcher he he's a fake good pass catcher he He doesn't catch anything other than checkdowns. I think Bigsby can do that plus a little bit more. And the efficiency as a runner, the development you saw there, like that's exactly what Liam Cohen's looking for.

Look at his yards after contact per carry. I think he was second in the NFL among players that had at least 100 carries. 3.3 yards or something like that. I don't have in front of me, but go to the data suite. It's right there. Phenomenal. I mean, and that's what Liam Cohen's looking for. It's like I want, he wants that high floor.

We're generating explosives. We're making guys miss. yards after contact. I think that's Tink Bigsby all day. And I do think he has some receiving upside there. So I should say pass down upside in general. It sort of reminds me of the year one. And this is, I don't know if this is even that great an analogy,

but year one we saw Isaiah Pacheco sort of in his rookie year being like a decent runner. And everybody would point at like the fact that he caught no passes. And then just being on the field a lot and just developing as an NFL player, we saw the past catching role kind of grow in year two, not where they were like scheming up a bunch of targets for him, but just, hey, Bigsby's open underneath. I'm going to take the check down. And at the end of the day, if you're on the field a lot,

like those sort of things add up. So I think that the whole notion that we're seeing where it's so lazy, people saying that this is what happened his first two years. And the year one was sort of a lost year completely for him. And then last year they don't throw the ball to him. Like the college tape matters, and it's not like he was catching a bunch of, you know, dump downs at some tiny university. Like we're talking about the SEC. He was also unbelievable at forcing miss tackles at Auburn.

So like I'm a little, I think this is a report where we really, really, really want to pay attention to Biggsby leading this running back room, even if it's only through two weeks. What's interesting is LeQuint Allen is also getting a little buzz lately. Liam Cohen specifically signaling him out. Down the line, I think that this could be a situation where La Quint Allen could take over a pass catching role, you know, as a specialist, Biggsby in like this Belcar role, and maybe Basial Tutin's trending just to be a direct handcuff this year, Brett. Yeah, LeQuint and Allen, you know, talk about past catching upside.

I mean, I think he was the most accomplished past catching running back in the draft from a volume standpoint. He had, what, 65 catches his back year or something like that. Very, very accomplished player there. You see the route running chops. You saw a little bit of it at the Senior Bowl. I do think maybe that's the one-two of the future. We want Basial Tutin to pop, right?

We loved him. But, you know, they have a nice three-headed monster there outside of Etienne. It seems like Etienne's probably going to get traded, does it not? I'd love to see Travis C-TN get traded because I think it would provide clarity to this backfield. Bigsby would move up several rounds, depending on where, Travis CTN landed, it could be really good for him. And then LeQuint Allen, we could make a scenario where he's getting on the field and an interesting play.

But I think that the way to handle the Jacksonville backfield right now, if you're drafting like early, early August is draft tanks Bigsby before the ADP adjust, because I think he's going to head up till like eighth round exposure. And in some drafts you're getting him in the 11th, 12th round still. Occasionally you're in drafts now where somebody's just pulling the trigger in round 10. They get it. But I think we can't dismiss this. You have to remember anybody supported pointing this out saying maybe they want to get a little bit more of a look at Bigsby.

This is a new coaching staff. They're trying to implement their new system. So two weeks of training camp, at least, you know, 10 practices in, 10 days of practice, like that matters a lot that Bigsby's getting those early snaps. And then I think pack your basal tootin bags a little bit later in the summer. Because when Tutin starts falling to round, because we're seeing people, drafting Tutin, like really early. Now he's starting to creep back a little bit. When he creeps into like round 13 in some of these high stakes formats,

then getting him in round 13, round 14 as a handcuff, a really valuable handcuff with that level of athleticism, that matters too. So I'll take shots in this Jacksonville backfield, but I think right now the way to play it is Biggsby before the ADP adjust. Another player where we're seeing the ADP adjust, and I'm getting into arguments with people about this one, Brailleen Allen. The vibes are strong with Braille and Allen. This is, we talk about college

production, Brett. Braylin Allen was on a Big Ten football field thriving at 17 years old. An absolute house, 240 pound player like very, very rocked up type running back. He's running back 53. So you're starting to see him sort of settle into the 12th round. But much like Bigsby, you're seeing people start to reach and grab him in rounds 10, rounds 11. It seems to me like there's a David Montgomery type role for him. Just how valuable is that role this year? Is he a player that you're enthusiastic about? And what does this effect have on Brees Hall if Braylen Allen does take on a much bigger role as a runner?

Yeah, there might not be a player. I'm more torn on than Braylin Allen for fantasy this year. obviously the idea of any type of heavy workload and a tanner egg strand, you know, which is an offshoot of the Dan Campbell offense, sounds awesome, right? So, but the thing with Alan is his tape has gotten progressively worse since that awesome freshman year you mentioned. His last couple of years at Wisconsin were not good. I didn't think he played well at all last year as a rookie, right?

So very, very concerned about that. However, on the flip side, Brees Hall looked cooked last year to me, like look completely gasless. He had no juice whatsoever. And that's kind of what made his game was that explosiveness. But yeah, it is a new regime. They're going to pick a guy to be in the David Montgomery role, presumably. And so, yeah, it's super valuable.

I just don't love the tape as all. So it's like maybe Aaron Glenn and Tarynx Tran like Braylin Allen more than I do. And if that happens, then, yeah, he's going to be very valuable for fantasy. I'm just a little skeptical right now. Yeah. So for me, I think you. hit the nail in the head where I understand the skepticism. I'll push back a little bit because last year he was 20 years old on an NFL football

field. And that last year at Wisconsin, it just wasn't as good as the as the year before. But there was a lot more like attention paid to Braylon Allen. Like it was a, it was a weird year. The tape from, I guess that was 22 tape for Allen really, really good. Uh, 2023, not nearly as good, but still good enough. Um, and with Alan like, just the relative youth. I'll give him a little bit of a pass last year for like the mixed play. Had some really big games fantasy wise though early on in the year. So I guess I'll be still pounding the table a little bit for Alan. I just think it there's there's too many things to like here, especially where it's going to be a run heavy approach with Justin Fields behind center.

The threat of the running quarterback there, I think could help railing out a lot. Here's another pushback people are thrown at me where a couple smart people, you know, they get on and they're seeing me sort of having enthusiasm for Allen, and they'll say, you know what, the, the, I get it. The usage might be there, but the Jets just aren't going to score touchdowns. So you're chasing the Lions offense without the touchdowns. There's not enough touchdowns going to be scored in this offense to support, you know, Garrett Wilson plus Braylon Allen plus Breece Hall.

Where are you out on that argument? Do you think that this Tanner Engstrand offense with the additions to guys like Armand Membu? We have Fashonu coming back as year two offensive linemen. Do you think that the Jets could take a step forward in terms of offensive production as a team to support more players in fantasy? Oh, that sounds like a Sigmund Bloom argument, by the way. No, no, you know, Sigman, we talked about that. If you want to get Sigmund Blum and Scott Barrett's takes on the Jets backfield, check out the last school of Scott. If you're watching this on Fantasy Points YouTube, it's one of the most recent videos as well, some good stuff there.

I didn't even know you had Sigmund on. That's funny that I said that. And then cool. No, I, the Jets offense is probably going to struggle. I think their offensive line can be very good. But Justin Fields, it's not just a Fields issue. It's that they have no discernible pass catchers after Garrett Wilson at whatsoever. So it's going to be a really run heavy approach, like you said,

but run heavy approaches don't score a lot of fantasy points. They don't, I mean, yeah, they might, like Fields might have 10 rushing touchdowns. That's great. Braylin Allen might have over a thousand. and yards rushing, that's great. But, like, yeah, I do think touchdowns could be an issue. I do think they will very, very, very struggle to move the ball with the past game. So I think there's going to be a lot of, you know, drives that fizzle out.

They're really going to rely on explosives in the run game to score any type of points here. So it's going to be tough, man. I don't know. I don't think the expectations should be very high. It is a first year regime with the Jets. They're, you know, overhauling the rock. They're going to do things their way. I think they're probably okay taking their lumps in year one too, right?

Like they don't want to set the bar too high right away. They want to build a culture of winning. And obviously winning helps with that. But like I think they're probably going to be more focused on establishing their identity and who they want to be. And if that means they're not, you know, top 15 in offensive yards or whatever, then they live with it. So building a culture and establishing like the long term approach,

Mason Taylor selection in round two sort of checks a lot of boxes with that. and the vibes with Mason Taylor have been really, really positive. I didn't put him on the show sheet, but just sort of your comment got me thinking about Taylor here, going off the board around tight end 22 in drafts, but has the potential that he could be the number three target in this offense, maybe even the number two target, depending on how things shake out and Bruce Hall's usage. The wide receiver two's talking about Reynolds, talking about Lazard, not a whole lot of big target earners there,

even in sort of a middling offense, is there enthusiasm you have for Mason Taylor, or is he more of a long-term type play that dynasty managers should circle, but redraft and best ball managers should maybe temper expectations? I have no idea what Mason Taylor's ADP is, so. Well, tight end 22, so it's not that high. So, yeah, then I'm in on him at that.

Because, like, if he ends up, and it's hard for Ricky Tentan to do this, but if he ends up taking over as the clear tight end one, who's on the field for 90% of their snaps. Think like Sam Laporta, his rookie year, where it's just like every package he's in, there's nothing they feel like he can't do. He's going to be number two in targets on that team.

Like their pass catchers are woeful. Josh Reynolds and Alan Lazard are run blockers and run blockers only. Maybe the occasional red zone target. Like this is a really good situation for Mason Taylor. So while I'm like maybe a little out on the rest of the offense, I think this is one that could very, very much outperform his ADP by a lot because he's an incredibly talented guy on a team that has nobody else. I think it's a really good combination for him to, you know, outperform expectations by a mile. Yeah, I think one of the keys for these rookie tight ends is just being on the field all the time.

Yeah, exactly. But like, and Mason Taylor, like, we were down in the senior bowl, like, he's an absolute unit. He's a player that's built to be on an NFL football field. Obviously, his father, very successful player. in the league. He gets it. And I think NFL teams, that's why they were so enthusiastic about him. We're going to take another quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about a former Brett Whitefield special as a prospect that now has a massive opportunity in San Francisco in Ricky Purcell. All right, welcome back, fantasy football daily. So on Saturday,

and the time we're recording this, we're recording this Monday morning, Ricky Persol was five, had five targets caught all five passes. Brock Purdy completed like all 11 of his past attempts and Ricky Purcell had the most receptions of any San Francisco 49er. Apparently was winning in a number of ways. Obviously, Joanne Jennings missed this practice. He's going to be out for a little while. Brandon Ayuk, they're saying won't be ready until the start of the season. Give me a break. That's just, you know, Brandon Ayuk will be ready. Who knows when? He's going to start on pup for one. 100%. And the Juan Jennings, we think he'll be there soon. But it's sort of a, it's a situation we're monitoring with Jennings. Not a, not a reason to full on fade Jennings as in ADP

by any means. But the most healthy wide receiver of note right now in San Francisco is Ricky Purcell. There's a lot of steam with him right now and enthusiasm. The reports are really strong out of camp. why don't you remind everybody just sort of the level of prospect you had him at a couple years back when the 49th selected him as a wide receiver out of the first round? Yeah, I was the one and only guy who does prospect grades in the industry that had a first round grade on Ricky Purcell. And he went in the first round. So shocker. But you know, when you look at the way he stacks up in this Kyle Shanahan offense, it's fantastic. I mean, he's a great route runner, but he's also good after the catch.

I think the way I sold it when they drafted him was like he's actually a perfect combination of Brandon Iuk and Debo Samuel. And so like they could replace either one of those guys with Ricky Pearson. And now it looks like he might be replacing both of them, Theo. So this is great. But some of those key routes that Shane Hanna has in that offense, that 83 route they call it a blaze out or those return, all those crazy return. Why don't you quickly explain to people what 83 is? Yeah, it's, it's they call it a blaze out. It's basically opposed to an out.

It takes a lot of, I would say, athleticism and route running prowess. Brandon Ayuk has mastered it. That's why he's really thrived in that system. Pearsall is also a guy who had a ton of production on that specific route at Florida. And then on top of their shorter versions of it that are basically like these whip return routes that take a lot of coordination and athleticism and route running technique, the ability to sink your hips and explode out of your brakes. Pierceall does all that at a high level.

All those really niche routes that Shanehan has in this offense specifically. Pearsall made a, that's how he got drafted so high. It's because he crushed on those routes at Florida. So he steps in right away to be able to basically run the full Shanahan route tree, which I think is a huge, you know, upside for him. And then he's awesome with the ball in his hand. So all the design stuff they were doing with Debo, they can also do that with Ricky,

where it's whether it's screens or end arounds or even putting him in the backfield and letting him run the ball. He did that stuff at Florida. So, yeah, if he's the lone standing healthy receiver here, he should absolutely smash. Yeah, it's very interesting to me because the ADP for Purcell, you'd expect it to be a little bit more enthusiastic. And he's a wide range guy where you're seeing him in round six. You're seeing him as late as late round eight sometimes. So I think that everything's going to catch up.

I think there's a chance that by the end of the summer, you're seeing Purcell going maybe leap, frogging the Jerry Judy, Chris Oliva Roma Dunzei, like tier of wide receivers, just because he's healthy, the role is good. And I think it'll be like a slow drip that Purcell has a chance to really explode. And I think it's interesting with the 49ers past catchers, Brett, is a lot of times in these Shanahan years, you've seen a wide receiver just explode in production. It was, Brandon Ayuk had that really massive, like, huge leap like the second half of his rookie season. And then Brandon Ayyuk, we saw, I believe it was year three where he had the massive year. Debo Samuel year two was just cooking. Like that was the year,

I believe that was the Jamar Chase rookie year where Debo took. I'd have to double check my years here, but Debo basically went full smash mode. And we got the glimpses of Debo late in his rookie season. It wasn't like it was some mystery box player. Brandon Ayyuk wasn't a mystery box player. But I think the thing that all three of these guys have in common is comparable draft capital where they all went in that late first to early second range and they all hit and they've all been sort of like this kind of prototype really really athletic really good with the ball in your hands type player very interesting stuff i think personal enthusiasm is going to continue to trend up george pickens in dallas nothing but positive vibes your thoughts in how he will throw

in a number two role after seeing him in the number one role for so many years and sort of a low pass volume offense in Pittsburgh. Well, if Pickens and the Cowboys can avoid an internal mutiny, I think we're in for a big year here. The vibes of Pickens might be good, but the vibes of the Cowboys, however, are very not good. So especially with basically over half the team now has issued support in Micah Parsons case there against Jerry Jones. So it's not great.

However, if all things are kosher and we're walking to the season with good vibes and Pickens and Dak Prescott and C.D. Lamb are all playing. Then I think it's a good thing. But Pickens as the wide receiver too, I think his target share could go down. Probably will go down. Probably will go down. But the volume is going to be so much higher. He should catch significantly more balls. And I think he's, I've been saying it all offseason, Theo, he's the perfect compliment to CD land. He's a phenomenal downfield threat. Excellent. possession type receiver great you know at the catch point his ability to generate late separation too i think is really cool we see dac very comfortable throwing into those type of windows so i think he's honestly a perfect compliment probably the best one two punch dac has had in his time in dallas by far so i think this is really exciting for a shot inheimer offense that you know could lead the nfl and dropbacks i mean that's that's really what we're looking at especially if that run game struggles the way we think it could i mean it could be a really good you know blending of best of both worlds type of situation here for for pickens okay so i'll give you another

head-to-head adp decision for someone that's not following the adp right now you're seeing george pickens like enthusiastically drafted uh somewhere i'd say in the middle of round five in a lot of these formats but let's give you a side-by-side adp choices okay george pickens or devontas smith who's been very good in a number two role in Philly on a points per game basis for multiple seasons. Pickens. Okay. Here's a tough one for you.

George Pickens or Tet McMillan in Carolina. Ted McMillan. Okay. Not so hard for you. Okay. So this is, I think this one will give you a little bit of a tricky. Okay.

Jameson Williams, who I know we're both enthusiastic about or George Pickens. I'm going to say, I'm going to say JMO. I'm sure. But I like with no disrespect to Pickens. Yeah. I want Pickens bags packed.

But give me Jamo. Yeah. I mean, Jamo from what I've seen so far in camp, like he's going to play in the slot a lot more. They are manufacturing looks for him where he is the first read on a lot of their progressions now. I mean, it's been really fascinating to watch.

There's going to be an emphasis on, on explosive plays in the past game. Jamo's been uncoverable at Lions Camp so far. His route running is so good. And he's so explosive. Like Amunrah is a great route runner too, right? But he doesn't have the explosiveness Jamo does to capitalize on it the way that JMO can. I mean, Jamo is crushing dudes by 15 yards.

I mean, it's it's unbelievable what I've seen so far. So I think we saw kind of a JMO breakout last year, but I don't even think we've scratched a service on what this guy is going to do this year. I'm totally with you. I had this argument with Brett White, well, not with Brett White. I'm trying to figure out. I've had this argument with multiple people. Jim Coventry specifically came on.

Scott and I have gone back and forth on Jameson. Ryan Heath and I have gone back and forth on James. I have two Jameson Williams shares in two out of three FFPC main events. So my two of my three highest entry fee league so far have resulted in me drafting James two dynasty startups at FFPC that were high stakes ones this offseason, two James shares. I think this is the year for him. And I think that what's interesting is with Jameson, he had like 91 targets last year and had 14 and a half points per game.

If you had to take a guess at the round number of targets for him this year, not even counting the 10 plus manufactured rush attempts we're going to see for him this year, just the targets. If you want to take a set an over under at James targets in year one for John Morton's off. Would you say his targets per game where last year? I don't know it's targets per game. I'm going to have to get my calculator out there. 91, I believe 91 total targets last year. I'm going to double check it. Yeah, and he was suspended for three games.

So even if he keeps the same targets per game, he's at 110. I'm going to say he'll hit one, I'm going to say at 128. Okay, so if Brett Whitefield's projecting 128 targets for Jameson Williams, he's going to be a top 10 wide receiver this year, and you should make him a part of every single draft. And one game that best ball managers have circled right now is week 17 Christmas Day, the Lions at the Minnesota Vikings. Is this the one that is going to decide redraft and also best ball championships?

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2025 to get one bonus entry. $20 entry fee required, reward expires in 30 days, seat terms at draftkings.com slash NFL dash best dash ball. So Brett, we talked about Jameson, we talked about George Pickens, we talked about Ricky Purcell, we've talked about some of these younger ascending wide receivers. Let's talk about an old, an old dur wide receiver in a new place this year. Debo Samuel, leave San Francisco, is traded to the Washington commanders. Debo Samuel, like, the vibes are pretty good out of Washington right now. It's not necessarily something that the fantasy community is pounding the table for,

but if you're following the Washington beat reporters, certainly reading into any sort of coach speak, Debo Samuel is going to be in a prominent role in this offense. for better or for worse, a lot of what they're going to be planning on doing is utilizing Debo Samuel in this currently the wide receiver one role with Terry McLaren off the field. But let's project Terry to be there. Let's say Debo in a role opposite Terry McLaren. What are your expectations for Debo? We've seen Cliff Kingsbury in a lot of these sort of manufactured low A dot looks, a lot of screen passes in offenses past in Arizona. Do you think that's a role that 29-year-old,

Debo could thrive in. This is another one. This is hard for me, Theo, because I don't, I don't, like from an X's a No standpoint and a football standpoint, I don't love Fat Debo. Well, I'll say, I'll say right now, and I want to go for the record, not fat Debo. I'm going to call him Thick Debo from now on because training camp, the pictures look a little bit better. He's an angles guy.

So if you want to get Debo on some angles, if you really want to creep up and be that photographer that gets him on a bad angle, you can get him on a bad angle. Some of the other angles, the guy looks like he's really getting in a shape. You know what? I can really, I'm an angles guy, too, to be honest. It's all about the angles, Brett. Yeah. It's all about the angles.

So thick debo, we'll go with that then. Although I did see a shot from Saturday. It looks less than savory, but. It's an angle. It's an angle. It's an angle, benefit of the doubt. Please. All right.

Engle benefit of the doubt here. But, yeah, you saw it diminish a little bit last year. I know, like, you look at yards after catch and even force miss tackles. The numbers were okay last year. still like they were still in within Debo range. But then you look at the Ada and you look at how those force mis tackles are generated. I think of the 11 that he had, I want to say six of them

were behind the line of scrimmage. It's like, yeah, not really the same Debo still. And I think another year, another thick offseason, I don't know, a new offense too. And I have a hard time with this one. And I'm actually way more in on him, obviously, if Terry McLaurin does get traded because I'm like, well, they have no other choice.

that receiver room is horrendous after those guys. So I don't, this is one I really, I'm just being honest, I really struggle with this one. I've kind of just avoided him in pretty much every draft I've done. Yeah, he's, he's very interesting because I, you bring up the if McLaren's not their thing.

And like a month and a half ago, I would have sort of laughed at that argument, but the vibes are just not good in Washington with McLaren. It seems like the two sides are sort of off by a few million here. My other question to you is, and we talked about this. Scott and I actually talked to Sigmund Bloom a little bit about this one. Just curious your case, your take on this one. But Debo Samuel has continually led all wide receivers in rush attempts and rush attempts per game. Pretty much every year that he's been healthy, do you think that this is a unknown upside factor in Washington here where we haven't heard anything about how they're going to utilize Debo as a. runner. And certainly Jaden Daniels is a next level rushing quarterback. So this is not necessarily

a like for like versus the San Francisco quarterbacks that Debo has played with. But do you think that you're going to continue to see Debo getting that sort of level of rushing production? Or do you think that Kingsbury and Washington are going to utilize him a little bit less in that sort of role. It feels like it's going to be less. It seems like like just rewind a couple years offseason talk before Devo got his most recent contract. That was a big talking point. I don't think it's something he really likes to do. Then you remember the wide receiver show. There were some comments in there about it. Like I don't know that him getting handoff to something he really enjoys as a player. And I think typically coaches honestly, they try not to do that to their players. Like if you don't

like to do this, I'm not going to do it. So I'm not saying it's a complete no-go. and he won't have any. But I would be shocked, I guess, if he was getting what, 40, 50 carries this season. As a running back, as a receiver, it's different. The alignments are different. The angles in which you're getting tackled are different. As a running back, though, you do take a pounding.

And for a guy who's really had a hard time staying healthy, I don't know that, like, that's even good for them to put him in that situation. I will say, if he does get the opportunity, though, Theo, and it's a big if, he's never had looks like he would have with Jayden Daniels at quarterback because the, can tag read option to it. They get the plus one in the box and every single opportunity they would have with Debo as a running back. So it is a favorable situation. If he does get those looks, like he'd probably be very effective and productive doing it. Yeah, it just, it seems to me that you don't trade

for Debo without saying, hey, I'm going to utilize him a little bit as a runner. I think, I think maybe we get back to like 25 rush attempts where, you know, the, he's had multiple seasons where it's like 40 or, more rush attempts. I don't think that that's going to happen, but 20 something sounds about right. And I think it's just a, if Brian Robinson goes down or even at this point, if a Jacori Kroski Merritt goes down, like there's other running backs are Chris Rodriguez, McNichols, there's other guys there, but it comes down to it where your game planning, if there's attrition in the Washington backfield, getting Debo a few more like opportunistic on maybe a game by game basis. Maybe it won't be that predictable, but there's certain games where they're like,

you know what, four or five rush attempts for Debo. Let's see if this defense can defend it. So I think that just offers a little bit more of a ceiling case for Debo. I'm sort of in on him mixing in Debo exposure in drafts. Let's talk about a lot of times we see in the NFL, there can be an injury that is a little bit under the radar. Khalil Shakir sounds like he's week to week. They're saying day to day. Sounds like he's going to miss four to five weeks. Could be a little bit longer. Khalil Shakir was in this slot role in Buffalo last year, led the wide receiver room. When with Khalil Shakir off the field, does this present an opportunity for Keon Coleman to take a much larger role?

And what does this do for Dalton Kincaid, who the last time you came on with Scott Barrett and I, you were enthusiastic about Kincaid this season? any other players that fantasy managers should be circling in Buffalo here with the Shakir News? Yeah, if Shakir misses time, I mean, that's huge, I think, for Kincaid personally. Like, we know they want to, like, out of Joe Brady's mouth, they want to play more what they call 11.5 personnel, which is Dalton Kincaid in the slot. It's basically 12 personnel with Kincaid playing slot receiver. So if Shakir had missed any time whatsoever, the easy pivot for them is like, cool, we want to leave

into this anyways. We're going to lean into it even more now and go with that 11 and a half personnel. The other thing here is like I'm a huge Josh Palmer guy. I also, that same show, I pounded the table for Josh Palmer. I, you know, he's already going to play in all two wide receiver sets, but now there's like no doubt, right? There's like absolutely no doubt. He is going to get the most snaps, most routes run for that wide receiver room in my opinion. So yeah, is it open the door for some opportunity for Coleman? Sure. I think his role stays relatively the same though, because Calisture doesn't play in two wide receiver sets at all. He had less than 20 routes run from, you know, 12 and 13 personnel looks last year.

So, like, he is not a guy. They're putting on the field in those looks anyways. So I think this mostly affects Dalton Kincaid and then probably a slight bump or more, even more clarity to Josh Palmer, if anything. Yeah, Palmer is such an easy click right now. It's another one like we talked about with Bigsby where if your league hasn't adjusted to what Josh Palmer's role is, then draft him in every single format. And I'm not just talking about best ball where Palmer and best ball makes total sense

because he's going to be on the field with Josh Allen. He's going to be on the field in two wide receiver sets. I'll have some weeks. But I think that there is a universe where in shallow formats, he's one of the biggest ads on the waiver wire after week one, just based on the role he has and the lack of enthusiasm there is with him in fantasy. And people will say, you know, Theo. there's, you know, this is a guy we kind of know from Los Angeles.

But we've already seen multiple seasons where Palmer was a waiver wire ad, Brett. We've already seen Palmer put up like wide receiver three type production. We brought up the Zay Jones signing, where Zay Jones signed with Jacksonville years ago, finished as like a mid-level wide receiver three. And a lot of weeks was in our starting lineups. It was that same year that like Christian Kirk signed with Jacksonville. Like there's always like a free agent wide receiver who beats expectations. It could be Josh Palmer this year.

Let's talk about one more injury and what it does to the offense around him. Isaiah likely was a player that was sort of trending up this offseason because he's good at football and because he had a lot of positive coach speak. He's also word out of Baltimore is he's going to get a Jake Ferguson-like contract extension. now you're seeing Baltimore signing tight ends because of Isaiah likely's injury. The vibes are not great. I know that they're saying that they expect him to come back for week one, but it's a,

it's, I believe it's a foot injury. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one, Brett. It is a foot injury, yep. Yeah, so it's a foot injury. So like foot injuries are weird. And people will say, you know, whatever foot injury, you know, that's something they can get through. But sometimes foot injuries linger.

So I'm a huge Isaiah likely Stan crushing for me for him to not be healthy during training camp. But I'm sort of taking a pessimistic approach here that we're not going to see him in week one. Maybe we don't see him for weeks two, weeks three. It could be an extended period of time, just my vibes with likely. Who benefits more here where sort of the low hanging fruit answer is Mark Andrews time? This is easy. It's easy. It's Mark Andrews.

Theo, what are you even asking? or could it be Zay Flowers, who's entering year three, has been a 70 plus reception player for two consecutive years, first round draft pick. Flowers were not questioning, like, is he good at football? Like, he's a good football player. It's really a scheme thing. But with likely out of there, a player that obviously a tight end two, but a target earner, could some of these targets go to the year three, Zay Flowers, instead of 30-year-old Mark Andrews?

Yeah, I don't want to fence it, but that's what I'm going to do. I think it helps both of them. I'm a big Mark Andrews stand. Let's start there. I think Andrews is a significantly better football player than Isaiah likely in pretty much every way, shape, and form. He's a phenomenal route runner and separator, something that Isaiah likely is not.

So I already think Andrews was probably going to outperform his ADP as is, and then likely injury, you know, even if he only gets, you know, an extra target of game or an extra reception of game, I should say. That's still pretty massive for fan. So big Mark Andrews guy. And then Zay Flowers, I mean, it seems like we're waiting for that. Like he's broke out, you know, but it's kind of like we still haven't seen the ceiling, I don't think, was Zayflower.

So there's more targets to go around and he gets any of that share whatsoever. I mean, yeah, it's huge for Zay Flowers too. So one thing likely is phenomenal at is the short part of the field. Phenomenal dump and run tight end. Awesome after the catch. Nobody wants to tackle that guy. well it's also where Zay Flowers is kind of used right so maybe some of those targets maybe some of those checkdown options end up going to Zay Flowers a little bit more I think that

that would help him out quite a bit yeah for me I think I tend to lean towards Zay here and I like Andrews but I think Andrews has steamed up to a range where is Andrews going to give me a top three tight end scoring season this year I mean should he catches touchdowns like he did last year he absolutely could but I'd rather take the very it's sort of a a it's a low risk bet on flowers where he goes in drafts where he's not going to fail at ADP because his role sort of remains the same. And maybe if he trends up slightly, you're talking about 89, 90 catches instead of 75, 77 catches. It's not that big of a barrier for flowers. It's just maybe two more games where the game script is really in Flowers's favor. And all of a sudden, you're looking at

90 receptions. I'm taking shots on flowers in like round six because it's just round six, round seven flowers, it's not going to hurt me in any of these formats. Whereas Andrews, I do worry a little bit about 30 years old, has dealt with some stuff off the field. I know that it's a situation where he was healthy to end last year, caught all those balls. But again, I don't like the north of 30 thing. And I don't like the threat of Isaiah likely coming back healthy and sort of cutting into Andrews as the season goes along, whereas Flowers, I think the role could be a little bit more static. So I'll lean there.

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very easy to predict a week-by-week player. Now, this could mean slot snaps. This could be a lot of 12 personnel. There's not a whole lot of wide receiver depth in Cleveland. Fanon Jr., of course, was the third round pick, extremely productive. My question to you is not a Harold Fanon Jr. pick. He's going to be one of the, excuse me, question. He's going to be one of the youngest tight ends in the NFL this year. Like, it's, I don't anticipate unless there's a David and Joku injury that we're cramming Fanon Jr. into our fantasy lineups, at least early on in the year. But my question to you is the presence of Fanon on the field. And if he's on the field a lot and plays a high snap share, does this limit the ceiling case that I and many others have been making

for David and Joku this season? Does it scare you at all to have Fanon Jr. on the field a lot as another target in this offense for David and Joku, or is Junku's role is pretty much solidified and strong. It scares me a lot. I'm not going to lie. I love David Nujoku. I think he's a phenomenal player. But when you look at the tendencies of the Cleveland Browns,

something would have to break for this not to scare me. But look at what they did last year and the year before. Like they live in 11 personnel. There are 73, 74 percent, 11 personnel team. They play 12 personnel, some of the, you know, smallest amount of snaps in the league. So unless they're going to do a massive tendency breaker and lean really heavy into a personnel grouping they haven't traditionally leaned into,

yeah, it's got to be scary, right? Because if Harold Fanon Jr. is getting on the field, that means someone's getting taken off, and that could be David and Joku. So, yeah, I mean, and the personnel groupings they like to use suggest it would be David in Joku. So yeah, I can't help but be scared by that.

I think Njuku is a great player, though. So it's really hard for that to make sense to me. Maybe they do break tenancy here. Yeah, this one's tough for me. And it's one of these where you kind of, of really know your, even when you're creating content, you know, it's still the greatest truths that you ever tell is when you're actually on the clock. And when it was a couple months ago, I'm drafting in Joku any opportunity I can in best ball. You know, I make these

scenarios where he's the number one target on the team. Uh, and Joku's just been phenomenal as a player of the last two seasons on so many metrics. But I agree with you. I didn't, I don't love seeing the enthusiasm with Harold Fannin Jr. It scares me a lot. And recently, in like underdog drafts, when it's David Njoku versus Tyler Warren, I've been taking a lot more upside shots at a rookie tight end in that range versus Njoku. And a couple of months back, it was not the case.

So I'm with you. I think Harold Fannin Jr. is something that we absolutely need to monitor for the ceiling case for Injoku. Now, I don't think Fannin's going to crush him. I think Anjoku's got some like a floor to him. But again, if you're drafting a guy as a top 10 tight end, then you're hoping he's a top five score at the position or don't draft him there. Another scenario that I want to pick your brain on and see if you care at all is Jaden

Reed is not getting any opportunities on the outside in Green Bay. People have been tracking this where it's outside opportunities like which wide receivers are seeing them. Reed is going to be in the slot again. Do you care about this? Ryan Heath's been, this is another player where Ryan Heath and I sort of not bump heads. I don't mind Jaden Reed, but I think he's a lot more enthusiastic

about Jaden Reed than I am this year. Your thoughts on Reed and potential sealing outcome for him if they're simply going to use him in the slot. So the one thing I've seen where he didn't get any outside reps was their family scrimmage game or whatever where they do a big game.

Ons versus ones. And I think the offense had 23 snaps or something over the course of three drives. So it was tracked that Jane and Reed got zero outside received. I think Justice Mosquita is the one who tweeted this. Well, when you ask Justice, like he doesn't know, he doesn't recall how many snaps were in 11 personnel and how many were in 12 personnel. So that doesn't really answer any questions for us. As far as practice goes, he's played on the outside.

So in the scrimmage, he did not. But like, if they're living in 11 personnel in the scrimmage, well, he probably isn't going to get me outside snaps. I still have to wait and see on this one. I don't know until I see an actual game where Jalen Reed, Jaden Reed gets no snaps on the outside and 12 personnel or things of that nature, then I can't really make a call.

I will say this, though. They drafted Matthew Golden in the first round for a reason. I already picked Romeo Dubs to be their breakout player of the season. So yeah, I think Jaden Reed is probably the clear wide receiver three. Seems like he has a really fragile ego. The fact that Matt LaFleur is consistently having to, affirm him in his press conferences and affirm his agent is super strange to me. Like that's kind of a weird vibe, right?

Like, oh, I told him he's one of our top two receivers. He'll play on the outside, but then doesn't in the scrimmage. It's just really weird to me. So I think dubs and golden are the guys you want in this offense for sure. But read, I don't know. I can't make a call on the outside stuff until I actually see it in a game. Yeah, I mean, I think the big takeaway is Brett and I were both much higher on Matthew Golden than a lot of people doing fantasy content were this offseason. Golden, I would

get into arguments with sort of, I was sort of the resident golden guy in a lot of like make a bull case for Golden. I'll just say like, I don't think the vibes with Jaden Reed this year are great. And I recognize your Romeo Dubs enthusiasm. But for me, it's Matthew Golden settled into a range of drafts where I want to take shots on him. Reed, it's usually a head-to-head decision where I'm going elsewhere. And I love Jaden Reed's talent. Rookie year, Jaden Reed, anybody who consumed my waiver content at the time, I told people to grab Reed since the preseason.

He ends up being a guy that was in our lineup. So I was a big Reed stand. But it just doesn't, it just doesn't feel right. Like where, you know, we talk about there's, they're having to like validate it. With Reed, we, we've seen. him just play this snapshot that doesn't get you excited. It's like a sub 65% snap share for consecutive years. It went up from his rookie year to last year, but I don't know, it could be about the same this year. I think it's a guy who's very talented player on a per touch basis where we're going to have

unpredictable usage week by week. That worries me a lot in the range I have to take Reed in. And Golden, I'm getting behind him. Golden goes behind Reed in most drafts right now. redraft format. So definitely an interesting one there very quickly. You're very enthusiastic about J.J. McCarthy. Not only were you as a prospect, but potentially his production this season. Our projections guru, Chris Wecht, you can get Chris's projections right now if you subscribe to Fantasy Points, Code Theo 2025 for a discount. He has J.J. McCarthy finishing as a quarterback one. He's very enthusiastic about a breakout. My question to you, you is Jordan Addison or T.J. Hawkinson, which player would you bet on thriving if you had to pick a

secondary pass catcher in the Minnesota offense alongside J.J. McCarthy? I'm probably going to go Addison. I think the talent, explosiveness, route running, playmaking ability, catch point prowess. I think it all points to him. You look at like how where J.J. really thrived in Michigan was those high-low concepts working the boundary. Well, that's all Jordan Addison, man. Well, and Justin Jefferson, obviously, too, but that wasn't the question. That's all going to be Jordan Addison, though. And so

I think Hock will still be a big part of the offense, but I do think, you know, we haven't seen the best of Addison yet. Now, that's obviously pending a suspension though, so I don't know. Yeah, no, I'm Addison. I like Hawkinson a lot. I've drafted some Hawkinson, but Addison, I can't believe his ADP

and I get the suspension risk, Brett, but you're not talking about some insane suspension. If Addison suspended, I think my bet would be a two-game suspension. And these things are hard to predict. But again, it's not like, it's not like the NFL is going to make a case study on Jordan Addison. It would be a here's your two. We'll see you soon kind of thing. Addison is being drafted at his floor. Addison, you're seeing being drafted as a low end wide receiver three on underdog on FFPC. Scott Barrett and I just took Jordan Addison in a slow FFPC main event at the 707. Like we're talking about a guy who's been incredibly productive as a touchdown score.

I think that the variable with Addison for me that's interesting is they already have strong offensive line play in Minnesota. They have a great blocking tight end in Josh Oliver. But it's J.J. McCarthy, his sheer athleticism and his ability to extend plays with his legs could open some things up for Addison in terms of like just being thriving on those big plays. So I love Jordan Addin at ADP. I think he's a really, really sharp pick right now. Last question for you.

We're getting nothing but positive vibes with Malik Neighbors out of camp. There was a little shoulder thing. He's talked about the little foot thing that's been plaguing him, you know, for multiple years here. But in terms of on play production, like every highlight you see Malik Neighbors, he looks like the greatest wide receiver to ever play the game. He's just out there doing crazy things. Are you a Giants, man? No, I am not.

So for the record, anybody listening to the podcast, I live on Long Island. I am not a Giants or Jets fan. I kind of root for the Jets a little bit more than the Giants because we're Long Island. Most people, I feel like a lot of people around me are big Jets fans. And my son's flag football team is the Jets. So my boys are kind of into the Jets and all that kind of stuff. but no, I'm a fan of my fantasy football team, Brett. I'm neutral over here.

I'm just vibes here. But Malik Neighbors, like the enthusiasm is through the roof. Russell Wilson saying all the right things. He already had an obscene amount of targets last year. Like I think we can safely say Neighbors is going to be towards the NFL league in targets per game, in raw overall targets if he stays healthy. That's half the battle for chasing wide receiver one upside. is the Giants offense able to support a wide receiver one overall finisher?

What's your enthusiasm level for Malik Neighbors heading into the season? I'm enthusiastic about his role. I do not think he has wide receiver overall number one in his potential for this season. Russell Wilson is a bad quarterback, objectively a very bad quarterback. And his play style does not particularly match up well with Malik Neighbors. So you look at like catchable ball rate, for example, Russell Wilson ranked 35th out of 39 eligible QBs last year, which is 8% lower than Malik neighbors catchable target rate last year.

So like that actually got worse. QB got worse from Malik neighbors. And then not to mention first read rate, Russell Wilson's like 38 out of 39 or something like that. Well, Malik Neighbors is probably the primary in every single concept that they have. So the fact that Russell Wilson does not run the offense the way, it's supposed to be run. He's a Matador. Yeah, are they going to hit a couple big plays

because of that? Sure, but it's not going to be enough to offset the fact that like the play styles just don't match here. Leak Neighbors really needs a Jared Gough type quarterback and he would be the wide receiver one for sure, but not happening this year. Is he going to be a wide receiver one, like

1 through 12? Yeah, of course. But I don't think he has overall number one in the range of outcomes here. Head to head ADP decision. If it's BTJ or Malik Neighbors former LSU teammates, budding heads here in the back end of the first round? Not even close to me, BTJ. Well, there you go.

Brett, what do you have going on? Let everybody know where they can find your content. Yeah, first read, you know, Joe and I are just crushing it there. We have, we just did a whole division preview. We went through every division, eight episodes long of division previews. And now we're into like preseason content. We're breaking down, you know, preseason games and camp battles and stuff like that. That's great.

Data Suite obviously is a huge thing to support us. Go check the Data Suite out. The season's almost here, which means like most of my times going towards training the new crop of guys and getting the team ready and juiced up to go. But we're ready to rock, man. So yeah, Data Suite and First Read podcast.

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