Fantasy Football Daily - Underdog Roster Construction w/ Graham Barfield | Two-Point Stance Podcast

Episode Date: June 15, 2023

There are lots of theories about best ball drafts. Most are nonsense. Our guy from FantasyPoints.com, Graham Barfield, looked at the numbers from over 600,000 best ball entries and has the data you need to draft a winner. Hosts Brian Drake and Joe Dolan discuss with Graham the optimal ways to draft a team on Underdog Fantasy. They break down the amount of each position needed and give their favorite sleepers to draft late. Checkout Graham's series at FantasyPoints.com on Underdog drafts: https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/2023/underdog-roster-construction-and-stacks-qbs#/ https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/2023/underdog-best-ball-roster-construction-wrs#/ https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/2023/underdog-best-ball-roster-construction-rbs Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/FantasyPTS https://twitter.com/FG_Dolan https://twitter.com/GrahamBarfield https://twitter.com/DrakeFantasy Subscribe to FantasyPoints.com and get the BEST in fantasy football advice and betting content. Use code "FantasyPTS" on Underdog Fantasy to get up to $100 in a first-time deposit match AND get a $5 FantasyPoints.com subscription. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top-level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle. From numbers to the film room with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. All across the fantasy universe, welcome everybody to the two-point stance powered by FantasyPoint.com. I'm your host, Brian Drake. You can check me out on the Twitter machine at Drake Fantasy. hanging and banging. I'm staying with that, Joe. That's, I'm going to make that a thing. Hanging and banging with my main man, Mr. Joe Dolan. Joe, what's going on, my friend? How are you?

Drake, you feel, you seem like you're a little under the weather. You have the worst immune system in the fantasy podcasting space. You're like Lamar Jackson. Um, always always said, Lamar Jackson misses like three games a year for being sick, has to run off the field with diary and on national television. you're like you're like the Lamar Jackson of the fantasy podcasting space. I never got like that before. I do have an autoimmune disease. I have alopecia, which I did find a cure for anybody out there has alopecia. I found a pill. It worked.

It's amazing. I have no blotches on the side of my head. If you're watching this on YouTube or anywhere else. But yeah, it was either the Canadian wildfires that got me because I kind of had to play golf during it. You know, I couldn't stay home. Or the Yankee game I went to on Saturday. which is just a cesspool of medello tall boys and people coughing without covering their mouth. But either way, we got a hell of a show today, folks, because I got money in my underdog account.

I got to use it. And I figured, let's talk to the man breaking down best ball roster construction at fantasy points better than anybody. It's Mr. Graham Barfield. He joins us today on the two-point stance. Graham, how are you, my friend? I'm good. I'm good. It's good to be with you guys.

second show of the year. They'll look at you back and talk to you guys. So it's good to be here. Yeah, it's middle of June. Time to start firing into underdog drafts. I mean, what else are you going to do? Sit by the pool, firing some drafts. Like, you couldn't imagine a better summer.

You're going to tweet cryptically or post weird stuff on Instagram like our buddy Stefan Diggs, who let's get to him because if you're drafting an underdog, maybe you think you're going to get a value on Diggs because of the uncertainty in Buffalo. So Stefan Diggs, I apparently. missed mini camp, the opening day of Bill's OTAs, whatever they're doing up there in Orchard Park. Head coach Sean McDermott said he was deeply worried about Diggs missing the minicamp. But Diggs was in town, per his agent, apparently met with the coach. Josh Allen's doing a press conference.

He's talking about he's my bleeping boy and I love him. Then Diggs puts out this Instagram tweet about people capping and I don't know, I'm 40 tears. I don't know what that means. Why? I don't know what that means. Yeah, so he's lying. You know, there's a lot going on here, Joe and Graham. So this is the guy they just paid, they being Buffalo,

over $20 million in incentives in the month of March. Stefan Diggs is not going anywhere, but there is something going on behind the scenes in Buffalo. Maybe it's a coach. Maybe it's Josh Allen himself. But let me start with you, Joe. What do you think is happening in Buffalo? I don't know.

Stefan Diggs feels like he was, he was disrespect. something like that. I think maybe somebody said something to him, somebody disrespected them in some way whatsoever. I'm not going to know what's going on behind the scenes. But his agent said yesterday for Adam Schaeffer, this is not a contract-related situation,

which good, they just gave him a big contract last year and gave him big incentives. And I'm all about players getting their bag. But Stefan Diggs has his. And then he comes out, And I really just think something he was disrespected behind the scenes. I think it would cost the bills. If they were to trade Stefan Diggs, I think it would save him about a million dollars against the cap this year,

but give them a ton of dead money next year. It's not going to happen. The bills are not the kind of team that's in the position to eat significant dead money for anybody, but especially a non-quarterback. I don't want to say we're making a mountain out of a molehill. I think this is a little more than that. But if Stefan Diggs is going to dip in drafts, I think I'd be buying. I don't think the bills have any incentive to move him whatsoever.

And unless Stefan Diggs wants to sit out the entire year, I don't think he's going to go anywhere either. It's hard to get a read on the situation, but he's in Buffalo. Maybe we have some sort of conclusion, I mean, as early as this week. Yeah, what do you think, Graham? I mean, you're a guy who's making sure he's taking a lot of wide receivers early and often in these best ball drafts. I'm sure Stefan Diggs, Josh Allen Stacks, play a large role in that. What do you make in this situation in Orchard Park?

There's definitely some smoke here. Something's out behind the scenes. There's any speculation you could come up with, you know, has been put out onto Twitter. I was digging hard for something yesterday, just going through all the bills, beat writer, Twitter accounts that I could find. One of them suggested that there could be some sort of,

rift between him and McDermott and the coaching staff. He apparently loved their old wide receiver coach, Chad Hall, and Chad Hall is now with the Jaguar. So maybe there was some sort of like internal strife of like Hall moving on and Diggs got upset. By the way, I think he's talking about McDermott capping. You know, McDermott said yesterday he hasn't been here. And Stefan, perv, his agent was saying, hey, I've been in Buffalo for two days.

Like, I just didn't go to practice. I've been here. So look, they'll get this figured out. Stefan Diggs has unlocked this offense. I mean, there's no two ways about it. And to Joe's point earlier about the new deal he signed last year, go to over the cap and look at how much dead money Stefan Diggs has in the next two years. At least for this year, there's no trading that contract, especially at Diggs's age.

If they train him. He'll be back with the team. Yeah, he'll be back with the team to train camp. I'll be stunned. They'll get this figured out here. Graham, I just pulled up Jason from. from over the cap, who does great work, Jason Fitzgerald. He said it's $31 million in dead money next year.

It's 13 this year, which is doable. $31 million for a team that I would presume has designs of contending for as long as Josh Allen's in Buffalo, they're not going to do that. Those big dead money cap numbers, those were for teams like the Eagles and the Falcons who were hitting the reset buttons over the last couple years. That's not going to be for a team like the Buffalo Bills. Yeah. And I remember hearing from a good buddy of mine in Buffalo. I think I mentioned it, Joe, on a show we did to Tom Broly,

there's been rumors in Buffalo for months that Stefan Diggs is unhappy there. So maybe it's just now leaking out to the national media, but in that town, it's definitely known. So we'll monitor the situation there. But we're here to talk best ball. We're here to talk roster construction. A lot of times when people get involved in best ball, they go, all right, cool.

I can just start drafting players firing them off my phone, whenever underdog alerts me, I'm going to go and I'm going to pick the best player. Maybe you're drawing dead if you just take that analogy of, hey, this is all I'm going to do is just whoever comes up, who's the top guy in my queue, I'm going to draft him. So Graham has a great series of articles at Fantasy Points.com where he breaks down his thoughts on how many players optimally at each position to draft, some stats about rosters that have been built by prior entrance to Best Ballmania contest, how they fared, and also who he likes to draft overall. It's super fun. It's informative. It's why Graham's one of the best in the business and why we're so proud to have him here at fantasy points.

So we have over 600,000 entrants in the last two best ballmania drafts. So that's a great deal of data and analysis that we can get and form for 2023. Let's get into it with here, Graham. You stress the simple fact of getting weird because you have less than a 1% chance to make the finals in this thing.

But hey, you know, you're telling me there's a chance. But some things shouldn't get too, weird and that includes you've got to skip over that RBRB start because that's more cringy than baby Gronk's father oh wow drake oh man well you you shoo horned that one in got it well done well done um yeah so off the top this is maybe it's not maybe it's the best data set in fantasy football history we have 600 000 teams like you're mentioning drafted in bbm and i mean three or four years ago if you would have told me that i had 600,000 team's worth of data just, I mean, you would have, you would have blown me away. So big shout

out to Underdard for publishing all this first and foremost and giving out this data. But yeah, your single team odds of making, just making the finals, not winning it, just making the finals this year. There's a little over 400 people that'll make the finals in BPM for. Single team odds are 0.00, 65%. That's three zeros before the 65%. It's way less than one. percent. These, these contests, these large field contests like BBM, like the puppy too, the puppy has well over 100,000 entrants. We have to treat these contests like DFS contests.

We have to treat them like the millie maker on draft kings, like the small, the smaller entry, but high number of entrants in the $5 contest on draft kings. Think of it that way. We, in those contests to win the millymaker, to win the, the high entry, the low dollar 150 max contests on Draft Kings, you have to get weird. You have to find ways to stack up offenses and stack up games and get weird. And that's the kind of mindset you have to take, I think, in some of these underdoll contests, and especially in puppies.

We can talk a little bit more about micro macro strategy in some of these different tournaments. But in a tournament like BBM, where everybody, is drafting all summer, closing line value in ADP really matters. It really, really matters. We've seen in data, and Mike Leone, at Established the Run, has done a lot of great work on this about when drafts, when to draft and fast drafts, slow drafts, when drafting matters. And he's found that a lot of ADP closing line value in May and early June really matters. And then there's just like this huge debt period in July where just all the sharps are drafting and it's really hard to find value, but then in August, you kind of picks back up.

And puppies, we only draft Joe. I mean, you and I've been talking about this. We only draft in puppies for like two weeks. How they fill in two weeks? I am way less concerned about ADP value in puppies. And I'm way more concerned about just getting freaking weird. Like get really weird. Yeah.

Like you, if you start your draft with, let's just say, I just did this this morning. I started three receivers, got Cooper Cup, T. Higgins, Debo Samuel. Came back, got Najee Harris. I got Justin Fields. as my quarterback one. I'm taking Cole Comet, Chase Claypool, those types of stacks well ahead of ADP. I don't care about any ADP value.

I want to get stacks and get really, really weird and make sure I'm not too concerned about ADP value at this point if you're just playing in some of these $5 contest, which I think a lot of people are. A lot of people are drafting in BBM right now. Here's an example for BBM. vis-a-vis puppy or the poodle or some of these smaller contests that are going to fire off multiple contests throughout the summer, Drake.

Alexander Madison, I think, is the perfect example. Alexander Madison could be a league-winning player in best ball mania because there are people who were drafting in April and May who might have gotten Alexander Madison in the eighth and ninth round. And right now, if you're drafting Alexander Madison in BVM, you probably have to get into the fifth, sometimes the fourth round. Well, there's going to be thousands of teams in that, in that range, who are drafting Alexander Madison basically 30 picks before people who got him in April and May.

Those people have a massive advantage with Alexander Madison because even if he does hit, he's going to hit as their RB3 or RB4 when he's your RB2, maybe even RB1 on some teams. So that's the example. we don't have to worry about that in the puppy. Yeah, exactly. But the puppy, Alexander Madison, all right, in this puppy, he's going in the 5560 range. Okay, well, he's going in that range in every draft. So it doesn't matter.

If you like Alexander Madison, you can draft them at cost. Yeah. And on that note, and we'll get into a lot bigger macro stuff because this is already pretty like minor and micro with Madison. I mean, look back at some of your early puppy teams of your draft. drafting in May. I know you and I were in on Madison early. I mean, you're, you were probably getting them as your RB4. Those that puppy is already closed. The first puppy's closed. So that, that closing line value is already in. Anybody who didn't get in on Madison, you know, it doesn't

matter. But in BBM, it matters. Like, that really matters now. I haven't done a BBM draft all summer because of that reason. I think people with Madison at RB4, there's just too much unknown right now. Like, the Vikings could absolutely sign one of these veterans like Creephont or Fournet. You know, Madison's become a ninth. pick again. But right now, Madison is looking like such a smash value that anybody that got in on BBMs early and was killing, you know, just crushing Madison, you know, fading cook. Like, they're probably looking pretty good right now. Now, of course, folks, if you want to draft over at Underdog, use our promo code fantasy PTSD. We're going to double your first time deposit up to

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you like what these gentlemen are talking about, get over there to the Underdog Fantasy use code fantasy PTS. So when talking about the running back, I guess we could start there. You don't want to start running back, running back. You say drafting five or six running backs is optional, or is optimal and when you draft them is more important. You're a fan of this superhero RB plan.

Explain that for the folks. Sure. So let's back up real quick. The last two years, we've seen just from a macro strategy perspective, two running back starts vastly underperform, basically any other start you could take in the early rounds, right? Running back wide receiver starts is the most popular, and it pretty much performs right at expectation.

Last year's year running back absolutely crushed. I mean, you could take two wide receivers. You could take Kelsey and a wide receiver. It absolutely crushed. Superhero running back is something that I looked into, man, 2019, 2020. I was when I was still using NFFC data. It's full PPR, not half PPR. But it's a, it's a strategy that I was looking into. It was basically like, I want to get one stud RB1. I want to get, you know, this year, it's, Pick your poison, Austin Echler, Nick Chubb, back into the first round, Echler, mid-second round for Nick Chub. You find your one stud RB1, and then you basically just ignore running backs for the next five to six rounds. You say, okay, I've got my one stud, I've got my one difference maker, I've got the guy who's going to give me 22 points per game at the ceiling. I feel good. I'm going to just hammer receivers.

I'm going to hammer mid-round quarterback. Maybe I'll take a tight-in that I love, Mark Andrews. That strategy right there has been right on par with zero running back teams for the last two years. The single elite superhero running back plus a bunch of just like mid-round and late-round RB2, RB3, RB4 types has been a massively winning strategy on underdog. Basically in terms of average points scored, that's your regular season point scored, your lead win rate, that's just your advance rate in the regular season, getting into the quarter final. And then in terms of just finals expectation, like superhero teams have been right on par with zero RB teams.

And I think as just a macro strategy perspective, like we've been battling zero running back teams for two, three years now. I mean, everybody that was hammering receivers early was absolutely correct. I think one of the biggest takeaways, and this is probably just a takeaway for all half PPR leagues that are set up like this, if you have to start three receivers and only two running backs, you should, you really shouldn't be taking two or three running backs in the first three rounds. Like, I think if anything, that's what I, that's what I've learned most is like, if you, if you're in any type of league doesn't have to be underdog, it can just be on Yahoo, you know, with your buddies, two running backs through receivers. Like, you're probably overdrafted

running backs, just from an early round structural perspective. I go way more in depth in the article about like when you should draft your your RB3 what two running backs and three running backs in the first six rounds looks like in terms of expectation. But if I've learned anything about just early round structure, it's that, yeah, these superhero teams where you get one stud RB1 or you go zero RB, those are, that's, that's been optimal on underdog. And Joe, you and I've talked a bunch about this. receivers are being drafted earlier than ever.

I mean, everybody knows it. The market has completely adjusted. I have a, this is the thing I've been wrapping around in my head all, you know, trying to do these drafts and figure this puzzle out. You know, the running back market is now more devalued than ever, right?

I mean, we can get Miles Sanders in the sixth round. So wouldn't that, I mean, to me, it's like, okay, everybody's drafting receivers early. Fine. That's optimal. But now I can get even better running backs at even cheaper costs.

So in theory, it kind of like almost necessitates receiver heavy drafting even more. Yeah. It's like the old cliche is Zig when they zag. And I still think Graham and Drake, I think that works in your home drafts. Or, you know, even God, like even some high stakes drafts we've been in Graham. Me, you and Tom won an NFFC main event league a couple years ago. And I still think the strategy in something like that does work. but that's in an individual league.

And maybe that also can work in like, if you're just doing a $5 underdog, winner takes all, you know, 12-man league, that can work. But we're talking big field tournaments. I just, I've tried zinging when others are zagging. I have multiple teams where I've started Mahomes Kelsey, or Kelsey Mahomes because you have to draft Kelsey in the first round. My God, do I end up hating my wide receivers.

Like, it's just, It's inevitable. Like I just, I haven't been able to crack that egg. I have not been able to, to say, okay, if the wide receiver, if I cannot justify, if I cannot just sit there and justify taking D.K. Metcalfe in the second round just so I start wide receiver, wide receiver, what do I do? And I have found that an incredibly tough egg to crack right now. And I've almost had to just go with the flow.

and that leads me Drake into the second point with Graham. And I do want to talk about stacks because I think this ties into just the general concept of stacking. I think you have to get weird in the mid to late rounds. That's where you crack. You go with the flow in early rounds. You just have to do it. You swim with the current. And then you try to swim back against it maybe starting in the eighth, ninth, tenth round.

Yeah, I saw Graham, you were talking about that. My biggest statement right now. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. You mentioned that with like the Jets. You know, we're talking about, you know, you love Tyler Conklin. You love Corey Davis.

And you kind of lay out a plan for those guys getting weird because a lot of people maybe will stop after they get Aaron Rogers and they get Garrett Wilson. You know, maybe they'll throw a lizard in there. But you say, you know, you can get weird way down the board. and that's what's going to make a big difference. And we'll get into it in a little bit, but stacking four player teams actually generated six of the 11 highest finals leverage rates last year. And that's because people are saying,

hey, listen, I'm just going to pound an entire team. Someone's going to score. So this is probably the, we should probably start a little easier with stacking than four-man stacks. I analyzed and went back and looked at the 20 most popular stack types in the last two years of BBM2 and VBM3. I looked at just what basically I wasn't looking at was it quarterback receiver. I wasn't looking at was it quarterback receiver tight end. I was just looking at total stacked players from the same team. And what I found was that four-man player team stacks have.

generated just like massive leverage in the finals like the majority of the field is going to be doing two and three player team stacks last two years 33 percent of the field that's one third of the field will do it to have at least one two player team stack and at least 40 about 47 percent of the field will have at least one three player team stack so that's a you know anything from quarterback one plus running back one plus receiver one to RB one plus. RB1 plus us two receivers, all from the same team. However, just 17% of the field goes with at least one four-player team stack. And these teams have absolutely smashed in the finals. They've had a massive, massive upside in the finals. I went back and looked. Basically, all I did was I compared the strategies usage in

these two tournaments, and I compared it to the percentage of teams that made the finals. And what I found was that these four-player team stacks just massively, massively out-produced their usage based on the tournament, the last two years of tournaments. And it's all led me back to, and I go, you really should read the article and go through the data yourself, but it's all brought me back to just the total number of stacked players on your team massively, massively mad. So not only did I find that four-player team stacks outperformed their strategies usage. I called it leverage. Chris, Chris Weck, great data analysts, we have here at Fantasy Points.

Got to give him a huge shout-out. He really helped me with this data set and gave me a lot of great intel to really write this piece. So huge shout-out to Chris. But when we were kind of going back and forth and he was giving me some comments about what I was writing up and the data I was writing up, I just popped it in the article. And I think there's a complete misconception about stacking, and especially when it comes to just total number of stacked players on your team.

So everybody thinks that stacking massively, massively creates this downside variance, but you're really looking for upside. And Chris brought up an interesting point, and especially, this is especially too for the really good offenses, right? unstacked players actually lead to a higher average, you know, like unstacked players, like, lead to higher average scores during the regular season because you have more opportunity for those players to go off in your lineup, whereas like stacked players, one week Stefan Diggs goes off, but the next week, it could be Gay Davis.

In this example, let's just stick with the bills, right? The ironic thing is the more stacked players you have from the same offense, it actually smooths out your variance. So just let's follow this logic here with the, those, right? You take Josh Allen in the third, sorry, you take Stefan Diggs in the first round, take Josh Allen in the third. You can do that now. Gabe Davis in the seventh, take Doss and Knox in the 16th. That's your four-player team stack, right? Let's say it's week 16. Stefan Diggs has a really bad game, right? Like you made it to the semifinals with your bill stack.

Bill stacks have been making delos cinema finals in the last couple years. Say they do it again. Stefan Diggs has a bad week. He is five for 43 receiving, but Gabe Davis goes off, man. He has five for 120 and 2. If you don't have Gabe Davis and you just stacked Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs, like, man, you're already in a hole. Your number one wide receiver has just scored like five points, six points. You're in a hole. But because you have Gabe Davis also on your team and you're all in on bills,

it actually smooths out your variance for that week. And, you know, like we talked about at the top of the show, your odds of winning or just getting to the finals is 0.000,000, 6,5. You have such a low likelihood of making it to the finals and doing playing best fall for the last three, you know, full time for the last five or six years. Like I've been fully humbled a number of times. You've got to come into this humble. Like you have such low odds.

And I think the way to increase your odds very, very slightly, extremely slightly is by solving this puzzle of just, hey, let your early round picks dictate, dictate. your stacks late in the draft. And every single piece that you take from a player is a correlated, or excuse me, every single piece that you take from the same team is a correlated puzzle piece later in the draft. And it helps you solve your team.

And, you know, you can go more into the data and you can read more to the article. But all I found is that more stacked players is like of massive importance. Because not only are we trying to win and just get to the finals, like, Brian, we've got to win in the regular season. And then we've got to win in the quarterfinals. That's a completely separate uncorrelated tournament. And we got to win again in the semifinals. That's a third uncorrelated tournament.

And then we've got to win again in the finals. That's four consecutive tournaments that are all uncorrelated. We have to win it. Your odds are so freaking low. You have a better chance of dating Taylor Swift than you do of winning this best ball. You do. You have a better chance of, I mean, honestly, seeing some of her concert ticket prices.

You have a better chance of, like, getting into her show. Yeah, Drake, I mean, she's had more, she's had more of Bose in the last, in the last three years than there's been Best Ballmania winners. So I think that's actually factually true. I'm in. I'm ready. I got all the time in the world now. Taylor, you know, sliding the DMs.

Let me ask you guys this. So we talked about, you know, roster construction and stacking and all that. When let's say we have just our casual. player out there, you know, he or she, they use code fantasy PTSD. They double their money. They're in. They're making their first draft on underdog. When it's the first round and you're up and you go, okay, well, I read the article, I kind of want to take a wide receiver here. Do you ever look at the wide receivers available and then try to project down the road like, all right, if I draft Stefan Diggs, then, ah, crap,

I got to come back in the, you know, maybe second, third round. I got to get Josh Allen. whereas if I take Amon Rae St. Brown or someone else, I can put, you know, Tyree Kill, two is much later. I can kind of build a little different. Do you ever think about when you're picking a player, how the stacking is going to impact your team and how early you're going to take that next quarterback? Every time I do that, somebody ends up gooseing me on the player I want to take.

So I try to think about my pick in the moment. Just like in the first round, I'll take, I mean, I'm almost always going to take the best available wide receiver unless I get just stupid value on like, let's just say Austin Echlor falls to like 11 overall and then I'll take a wide receiver in round two. Let's say Bejohn Robinson falls to 12 overall, something like that. Kelsey falls to 10 overall. But I usually just like to take the best wide receiver in the moment, Drake, and then I will evaluate later on when the next pick comes up, whether I should begin a stack or try to or try to just go receiver, receiver, get the best players there.

It is kind of a case-by-case basis, Graham. I'm sure you have a much more scientific way of thinking about it than I do. No, no, it's not scientific at all. It's, I think, Brian, you're, so I think of what you said is like, okay, you start your draft. You should anticipate your future picks, your future receivers, future running backs, tight ends, whatever fits with your team build. That's the exact guideline I would put. And I'll take it a step further.

that's the exact way you should be thinking. Like to take down these big tournaments, you have to be thinking on those terms of how you're going to add to your teams, add to your game stacks for week 17. That's the exact way you have to be thinking. And my way of, my suggestion for people out there to do this in their drafts is like, the moment you take Jamar Chase at two overall, immediately put Joe Burrow in your queue.

Like put them in your queue for the fourth round. If you want to get weird and take them in the third, I've done that plenty of times too. You can take Chase in a back. In the second round, you come back and get Burrow in the early third. You can do that. You're also adding Tyler Boyd and Irv Smith.

Now, I think in Joe, you would agree, player takes really matter. Like there's a certain point where team stacking becomes suboptimal and especially when it comes to players that you don't feel great about. And Irv Smith is certainly one of them for me with the Bengals. We can get into that too where it's like you have to use your own logic and your own drafting guile and your own experience to be like, okay, like I love Joe Burrow.

I love Jamar Chase. Give me Tyler Boyd for three-player team spec. But man, I'm not in on Irv Smith. Like if I've taken Irv Smith at 150, I'm not doing it. You still, you, it's, there's these guidelines, right? It's like it kind of, I'll use this analogy of like, it's like a train going down the track, right? And then you get to a fork and you have to decide to divert to the right of left. In basketball, there's like 18 different tracks you go down, right?

But in this analogy, let's just like keep it simple. Let's just say on the clock you've got one track or two tracks and you've already got Joe Burrow. You've already got Tyler Boyd. You already got Jamar Chase like we said. Maybe you got Joe Mixing too. There is like a certain point where your team stack gets suboptimal and especially when it comes to players that you don't feel great about. So projections and player takes are of massive importance.

And we're going to talk a lot about, you know, high level stacking and stuff like we've already talked about in the show. But like, you know, macro level player takes still really matter. And I think we've seen that with the last couple of massive tournament winners. I mean, Pat Crane ran hotter than sun, my guy. I love him. But, I mean, you know, he also had some excellent player takes. Austin, Nekler, Ramandre, Stevenson was the nuts running back. though oh and he had saquan barkley like those player takes absolutely absolutely matter and there is a

point where um where stacking becomes suboptimal and you know you have to you have to pick the right players i know it's so simple i hate saying that it's the worst fantasy analysis of all time just pick the right players but um there is a point where we're stacking no longer becomes optimal you know you know what's funny about that about that take graham is um jerry jones who obviously pulled off maybe the greatest trade in NFL history built literally a dynasty out of one trade. He said, we knew we needed draftics. But then I remember him saying, now here is the key. We had to take the right players.

And like how many times have we seen like, you know, the Browns in the Sashi Brown thing like end up not really at times taking the right players? And it turns out, you know, that still is the right call, right? That's still going to always, that's always going to matter in fantasy, and it's always going to matter more than anything else. You can look back at old trades all the time and you look back and go, oh, what did they get for Deshaun Watson? What did they get for Russ?

What did they get for Matthew Stafford? And then you look at the trade like after the fact when you actually attach real player names to it of who they drafted and you go, I would have done that trade 100 times out of 100. It's great. They stole them. Let's stick with that logic, though, just picking the right players. And we can relate this back to Pat Crane's winning.

team of just picking the right players. He had a Sequin Barclay, Daniel Jones stack. A lot of people weren't really super comfortable with taking Barclay and his quarterback. But, I mean, you basically just locked in all of the Giants touchdowns last year. And this is the key about team stacking. Those are the guidelines. Think of it this way. Like, wouldn't you rather have four pieces of the fifth best offense in the NFL last year?

Let's say the Giants were the eighth best best. right, the eighth best offense. You have two pieces, three pieces. You'd much rather have three pieces of the eighth best offense than one piece of the 21st, one piece of the 16th best, and one piece of the 11th best offense. That's the way to think of these guidelines. And I'm trying to explain here. It's like, you know, stacking, we all know stacking is of massive importance. Everybody has written an article about stacking and how important it is. But I don't think enough people have touched on just how much the total number of stacked players matter. And I did a bunch of underdog MLB contest in the Dinger this year.

And I was pulling in some data. There's not much out there. I mean, the Dinger last year was so small. But I found the same thing. I mean, it's like in tournaments where the top 0.0006% get paid, the big bucks, stacking is the i mean it's just that's what shows up in all these teams and it's it's true in in baseball too and i think that's it's obviously a totally different game totally different scoring uh but i think if you're trying to win big tournaments on underdog you i mean the total

number of stacked players in your lineup matters more matters more than whether or not it's like a two player or a three player just getting correlated pieces from great offenses at good cost is is the way. Drake, Drake, let me try to visualize what Graham's saying in a different way here. And I think a great way to look at this is if you're in a 12-man league in just your home league, and you finish fourth in that league,

you're going to make the playoffs. And if you make the playoffs in your 12-man home league, that's fantastic because you've got a great chance to win that league. You have a maybe not an exact 25% chance, but roughly a 25% chance. If you finish fourth in a basketball mania or a puppy, you're not getting anything for that. So if I'm looking at my results,

and understanding if I draft 100 puppy teams, if I get 15% of them through to the next round, I'm probably pretty happy. but let's just say just throwing a number out there. The last thing that you want to see if you're doing these big field tournaments is to go down your list of teams and be like, ooh, I almost qualified in that one. I almost qualified in that one. I had a fourth place finish and a fifth place finish.

I would so much rather see that I have 30% 12th place finishes, but I have 20% first and second place finishes because that means that, all right, these stacks that I had on these last place finish teams, it didn't work. But I had so many stacks that did work and I've got an opportunity to win. It doesn't matter if you finish fifth in a puppy. Do you finish way closer to cashing than if you finish 12? Yes, but you still get zero dollars. That's a half point PBR tournament.

You know, people forget often in fantasy football. We get so caught up and trying to be cute. Touchdowns win a lot of time in fantasy football. So let's say you were stacking the Detroit Lions and you said, I'm going to get Jared Gough and I'm going to get. get Jemir Gibbs and I'm going to get Hockett. Yeah, well, yeah, I'm going to get Hockinson and then I'm going to get St. Brown.

Like, they're going to score a lot of points this year in Detroit. That's going to be a solid offense. Like, now you just cornered the market on most of the touchdowns that Detroit's going to score. At the end of the day, that could lift you up. You know what a lot of folks are talking about that? I don't think the casual fan really understands. And that is the week 17 correlation.

If you listen to a lot of real like best ball bro type pods, they get real into weeds with it. But I think, you know, maybe our casual guy who's using code fantasy PTSD at underdog. He's just getting into it now. He might not understand that, Joe and Graham's. Can you just explain to the listener out there why they should be paying some attention to the matchups in week 17? I'll take it. I think you said, you know, some people are taking it a little too far. I disagree.

I agree. but think of it this way it's like you know the bangles and chiefs are playing in week 17 you want bangles and chiefs under teams like why not boost up you know cadarious tony a few spots in your ranking when you take joe burrow you know and even if you're not a big tony fan might maybe you like marcos valdo scantling better later you know uh we know that those teams two teams are likely going to be playing in a game with a 55 56 over under um in week 17 and you're going to want bangles and chiefs to begin with. That's just obviously one example in one game.

But the idea behind Week 17 game stacks is just like how we started talking about at the top of the show. You have to treat these contests like a DFS, DFS entry, right? Everybody in Week 17 is going to want some Bengals and Chiefs on draft Kings. But there's going to be some games that are under-owned that week for DFS. The idea is that if that game goes off, let's just keep with Bengals Chiefs in this analogy, if Bengals Chiefs goes off, say, it has a 56 over under, but it actually goes for 72 points. Burroughs throws through touchdowns, Malmes throws four, all of those pieces from that game, not just Jamar Chase and Trax Kelsey and all the guys who typically draft like T. Higgins,

but there could be some smaller pieces like Rishie Rice or Marquez Velde Scalier or Caderius Tony. It also do extremely well, and you would need those pieces that week to have a great, to have a great score. And Liam Murphy, previous best ball, he won best ball. What was that, best ball two? BBM 2, yeah. He had, I believe, two game stacks. Last year's winner, Pat Crane, BBM 3, had three game stacks, I believe. I think he had Giants, bucks, and one other.

I can't remember off the top of my head. But we've seen Week 17 winners all have game stacks. And, you know, it's one of those things where we can debate to the moon, which games you should be stacking and which teams you should be stacking and all of that. But there's some fairly obvious ones, like Bengals, Chiefs, like, Lyke lines, cowboys, where it's like if Mahomesboro, Goff, Prescott are all healthy by Week 17, Like those games are going to be great for fantasy. And that's another logical guideline that you can use.

Let's go back to the train track analogy of like, man, I don't know who to decide on the clock here. Let's say you're on the clock at 156, right? You're deciding between Marquez Vauda Scanling and your RB5, let's call it. But you got Borough, you got Chase, you got Boyd. You don't have a chief for your week 17. It's like, I don't feel super great about, let's call it Devin's Singletary, right? I don't feel great about 70 Singletonary. I'll just throw Marquez Valdos, Scantling.

into this lineup. That's that guideline of like, use that as your differentiator when you're swiping and clicking your picks, right? It's like, I don't feel super great about my RB5 here, this choice between this tied in and whatever you can add to your game stack. Let that be the final choice. It's like, man, I don't feel super great about adding Irv Smith here to my four-player team stack. Let me throw in Marquez Valdez-scanling. Maybe he'll, maybe this will be the game. He goes for four catches for 100 yards in the touchdown. He's the white. He's the white. He's the white. He's the receiver four on my team. We're talking here with Mr. Graham Barfield.

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Before we get Graham out of here, Joe, I want to hit you guys. with some of Graham's late round targets at each position. Let's start at the running back position. So each of you guys can kind of fire away a guy or two that you really like. You know, I see it here. You've got guys, it's like ADP 140 and beyond. So give me a couple of running backs you want the people to take note of late. I'll start off the top.

I've got dad in Singletary off the top of my list. I just think he went a little overlooked in free agency. He signed a fully guaranteed $2.5 billion. a dollar deal with the Texans. And look, I mean, I was a humongous Damien Pierce fan. I mean, Joe, you know better than anybody how big I was on Pierce last year. Damien Pierce, I want to preface

this entire argument by saying, Damian Pierce is by far the better runner. And the number showed, like yards after contact, Ms. Tackles Forrest, Damien Pierce was better last year. However, I mean, Devin Sincletary has been pretty good in his career. He can play all three downs. He's handled least 180 touches in four straight seasons. I don't know if he gets to that number this year

unless Pierce gets hurt, but the bottom line with my Singletary call is that he is just by far a better RB2 than anything the Texas had on the roster last year between Royce Freeman and Rex, you know, Rex Burkhead. Singletary is a legitimate RB2, and I think he's a legitimate threat to Pierce's workload. And it pains me to say this because I really do love Damien Pierce, but my fantasy brain outweighs my love for players sometimes. And in this instance, I think Devon Singletary is a better value.

How about you, Joe? who you're throwing a dart at late in these best ball drafts? I'm really going for a couple of the Minnesota Vikings right now. You have Ty Chandler. You also have DeWain McBride. And I wanted to bring this up to Graham as kind of actually even a more big picture take. Handcuffing. Like we've already discussed handcuffing as a minus EV strategy for like seasonal weeks.

Okay. You know, I would much rather draft a dart throw wide receiver than draft a handcuff to my to my starting running back. Should we look at that differently in bestball? Is a handcuffed more of a stack or is it still a minus EV strategy? It depends. It really depends on the team. And it depends on, I mean, this year, let's use an example here, Joe.

For the last couple years, Aaron Jones and AJ Delon, right? If you took Aaron Jones and AJ Dylan, those two players have been massively un-pourly. Yeah, it's very, very, you go back through and look through correlation. Like, there's probably a couple games are Aaron Jones. And AJ Dillon have both had pretty good games, but by and large, like it's either been one or the other going off. In instances like that where we've got two players and very clearly defined roles, yes, it can be uncorrelated.

But on teams where we know that, like, man, like Washington this year, like a extreme high amount of touches is going to go to two. players. I think there's some value in it comes it comes back to a little bit of what I was alluded to earlier. It comes back to cost, finding good value offenses at the right cost. And then also just recognizing what roles those players will play. So like Washington this year, right, Brian Robinson is clearly the early down and Red Zone back. Antonio Gibson is clearly the passing down and he'll get some early down work. But by and large, I think Brian Robinson will be the Red Zone player.

Like with the Packers backfield, Aaron Jones and AJ Don't split red zone stuff. They split early down stuff. Aaron Jones does get all the passing down stuff, but in general, there's a lot of overlap between roles. So long-winded answer to say, it matters,

but you've got to understand how roles overlap, and this comes down to projections and player takes and just the importance of all of it. But like the Vikings, Joe, I know you and I were big on Madison. I didn't get nearly enough of them. Unfortunately, his ADP just started going crazy in May. and I didn't get enough.

But, like, if you missed out on Alexander Madison, like now, like, you should probably be switching to Ty Chandler and Dwayne McBride. You should definitely not be drafting those two guys together because, like, we started the top of the show talking about Madison, like, Vikings could absolutely sign career home and just completely throw a wrench in this entire back field. There you go. One of the running backs I like, like Gus Edwards, you got an ADP right now, 191.

We're never sure of J.K. Dobbins' health. We know they have liked to run the football there. and it's going to change a little bit with the new OC, but a Gus Edwards always a productive back. By the way, Gus Edwards was on the field at minicamps, and J.K. Dobbins was not. Look, J.K. Dobbins, man, what a freak athlete. What a phenomenal, phenomenal player.

But he is, he was, I watched every single carrier once Dobbins and Edwards came back. I mean, they both came back together late in the season. It was like 90, 80 carries some between the two. Edwards looked 100% to me. Dobbins was not there. There's something up. So I'm fully fading Dobbins now, unfortunately. I came into this, which pains me,

I came to this off season thinking, damn, dude, like I think Dobbins is awesome, bounce back candidate. I'm kind of scared of Dobbins again. You got to watch for these guys coming off injury. We're seeing it right now at the wide receiver position with Hollywood Brown has a foot issue he's coming back from. and oh boy now I'm blank on the name there's another guy who's just coming back from a foot issue and now he's slow

baiter yeah he got a cortisol shot yesterday so he got a cortisol shot in his foot you got two guys here who had and brown has a long history of foot issues going back through his college days if you're not healthy now I mean I'm throwing major pause into people like oh you got a long time until the season starts folks training camp starts next month you know and We're already in June. They'll be on the field next month. I'm worried about Bateman. I'm a little less concerned about Marquise Brown, just because if Hollywood doesn't play more than 13 games this year, like the Cardinals are screwed at outside receiver. Like, I like Michael Wilson a lot.

Brett Whitefield loved what he saw out of the Senior Bowl this past year. I'm in on Michael Wilson. He's an auto. Round 17, 18, 18, pick for me. I mean, like, yeah. If you draft Kyler, if you draft Kyler, I'm not drafted Michael Wilson. You're doing it wrong.

That leads me to some of my late round. Wide receiver darts for you guys. You mentioned Michael Wilson. I'm scrolling through your list here, Rashid Shaheed, Chase Claypool, but a guy that I'm really high on. I want to get your take on. It's someone that Joe and I took in our dynasty orphan team.

He was sitting out there on the waiver wire as a free agent. And is Alec Pierce, who has an ADP of 145. This is a starting wide receiver. who is just being overlooked. People look at him like he's some wide receiver five. He's a starting wide receiver for the Indianapolis Golds, and nobody wants to touch him. Well, any piece of data that you look at will show you that

reasonably highly drafted second year receivers all by and large see big production boosters in their second year. So we've got that feather in our cap for Pierce. This is also just an incredible fit, like getting into a micro player take here. like Anthony Richardson and Alec Pierce like that's a match made in heaven in terms of just skill set right like Anthony Richardson has massive accurate concerns we don't need to talk about all that but like we know Anthony Richardson will throw it deep last year was like top 15 in average depth of target 40% of his total passing yarders came off deep throws Alec Pierce was the Colts only deep threat last year like they made Michael Pittman and this is a scheme thing pitman will get more deep targets this year but Pierce was the only receiver in that receiver group last year that that got. a ton of deep targets. He actually led the team at deep target share at 37%. No one else was above 20. I think that'll even out a little bit this year, but like Pierce is a classic, like physical,

downfield, strictly outside X receiver. And I think he meshes absolutely perfect with Richardson's aggression. Like, is there going to be games where Alec Pierce gets six targets and only catches two balls for 18 yards? 100%. Is there going to be games where Richardson goes off? And, is there going to be games where Richardson goes off for four, you know, four catches for 120 yards and hopefully two touchdowns. I hope so. I think Richardson's armed talent, one of, what did that one NFL exec say that? He said he had like a ham can or something like that. It's true.

Pierce, Pierce and Richardson are going to get connected in a couple of deep balls this year. How about you, Joe? Who's a receiver you like plucking off the scroll late in your draft? John Medchi. I mean, like, he's my most drafted wide receiver right now. And, like, I understand that he's definitely part of like those, like, oh, Graham, you get a one piece of a, of the 25th best offense in the NFL. At least this piece is cheap. METCHI's consistently available in the teen rounds, and I would not be shocked to be led to the Texans and catches.

I mean, it's a team that's going to stank they're going to be throwing a lot. So, yeah. Both he and Nico Collins is ADP make no sense to me. And I know no one wants to, like, draft Texans. no one really wants to draft Nico Collins. It's not sexy, but like C.J. Stroud, man, it's like one of the most accurate quarterbacks to come out of college in the last couple years. Like, you know, he's not as freak athlete, like Anthony Richardson. He's not going to be able to make like those game breaking crazy moves in the pocket. But like, he's incredibly

accurate. And I think all of these Texas receivers, like I'm with you, John Metchie's one of my most directed receivers too. He can play inside outside, love the versatility. But like, I think all of these Texans guys are a little underdraft. Just took Nico Collins in the 13th round of a underdog slow draft that I'm actually drafting on my phone as we do the show. So that was fun to hear you guys pump him up. Let's switch finally to quarterback before we get out of here. Taking a quarterback, you say, is optimal before round seven. So in your article you say you want to take only two and you don't want to take them,

you know, both of them too early or if you wait, you better wait and get three of them at the very end. but, you know, explain that a little bit and then maybe throw a dart at a quarterback you like. Sure. So with Underdog, the data is pretty clear. Two quarterback teams are optimal over three quarterback. And the logic behind it is very simple. We really don't have to go too much further than this. Like if you took Patchmer Holmes in the fifth round, you took Dalyland Hertz in the fifth round last year, like you crushed.

And you didn't need a third quarterback. You just could take a second one and all of those teams absolutely smashed. there is a lot of bias towards those two guys, and especially Josh Allen last two years, in the data saying, like, God, mid-round quarterbacks just have absolutely smashed. You obviously cannot get those guys at cost, at that cost anymore, right? We're seeing the Holmes, Alan Hertz, start to go in the early third round now, still some of them taken in the second. So we're seeing the extremely elite, the big three I call them Allen Hertz and the homes. We're seeing them go obviously earlier than ever, and I think that's the correct.

I think the market has that right. Those guys have just given an outsized number of the highest scoring ceiling weeks at the quarterback position, especially when it matters most in weeks 15, 16, 17. But we're also seeing some guys that I think would typically go in like rounds eight and nine in previous years, like Trevor Lawrence go a little bit earlier. And it all comes back to one, staff. stacking. Christian Kirk and Calvin Ridley are both taken relatively early in drafts. Ridley, round three, Kirk usually round four, round five. But it's also this concept of like everybody's

kind of pushing running backs down the board and everybody kind of is starting to figure out intuitively like your RB2 is probably your least important position on your underdog team. You really want your first three receivers, your quarterback and your tight end to all be stronger than your RB2, typically speaking. It depends on, obviously, if you get an ADP follower, let's say you get, I don't mean, it could be anybody, you get Cammakers falling 15 picks past ADP as your RV2. It's going to look a little different.

But yeah, by and large, mid-round quarterback, because Allen Hertz and Mahomes all went in the mid-rounds last year has smashed. That being said, you know, we can debate Justin Fields as a passer all we want, but like if you look at ceiling last year, Justin Fields had the third best ceiling at the position behind Hertz and Allen in terms of top five scoring at the position. And I think Justin Fields right now, if we're going to keep along the structure of drafting receivers early,

you get your one stud running back, whether that's, you know, Nick Chubb in the second, Najee Harris in the third. You get that one stud runner. You get a ton of receivers. I think Justin Fields is that guy this year. And he's now, Joe, you've seen it. I mean, he was going in the late third round.

round, early fourth to start. He's now being pushed into the fifth. I get why people are taking Joe Burrow over him. You know, Jamar Chase, D.Higgins, both great receivers. You want to stack those guys up. I think that's optimal. Completely fine with taking Burrow over Fields if you've got Bengals. But Justin Fields has the exact archetype that we look for in fantasy.

Extremely great scrambler, freak athlete. They're going to use him on a lot of design runs. And oh, by the way, he has DJ Moore. He has Chase Claypool coming back. back. He's got Cole Kometh getting better. They've got two great new running backs in rotation with Rochon Johnson, the Deonté Foreman. I think Fields

is that guy this year. I am not here for the Chase Claypole propaganda, by the way. I know you've been drafting him. I'm not here for it. Joe, it is only because I like Fields. Like, I am not taking Claypool alone. Like, I think that's, I mean, unless you're, man, unless you've got Falcons and, like,

game stack, I don't know. I just don't even like it. But, yeah, I'm I'm taking Claypool just because I like Fields so much. And Claypool has that skill set I want. He's the downfield, field structure, you know, big spike league guy. But yeah, I think I think this year Fields is that mid-round quarterback that we're going to look back and be like, damn, 30% of the teams that had field's advanced. Like, I think he's such a smash pick. Drake, I have just one more before we go.

I have drafted so much, Bryce Young. He's QB 24 and ADP. and Graham's talking about these three and four-man team stacks, it is so easy to stack to Panthers. It is so incredible. And what if Bryce Young was the first pick in the draft, okay? What if he's good? Like, I mean, are they going to be a top?

Yeah, use the same logic for the Texans, too. I mean, C.J. Straves, I mean, he's, I don't think he's, I don't think he's got this amazing ceiling, but like all these guys are cheap. I love the Bryce Young call. Who's your favorite? Real quick, who's your favorite panther receiver then? If you like Bryce Young, who's your, who's been the guy you want most? I mean, I kind of am with the markets in that I just, I'm going Mingo for upside, but I've drafted more Chark. And like I, like, I understand everybody saying Adam Thielen's washed. I get that.

He's also, I'm not drafting Adam Thielen if it's not part of a Young stack, but like he's also like wide receiver 63. Like, I'll, I can stack him with Mingo and, and, you can get Bryce Young. And again, I have so much Miles Sanders because the number one predictor for fantasy points for running backs is touches. It doesn't matter if they're good or not. Who else is getting touches on that team? They signed Miles Sanders to a four-year contract. So you can get Miles Sanders, Bryce Young, and DJ Chark. And that is a cheap-ass stack.

You can get weird with Chanel and Terrace Marshall. Yes. I have drafted Terrace Marshall as like an 18th round pick when I've had Bryce. By the way, Hayden Hurst in those panther stats, since you're tied in three is such a good pick too. I mean, they've got, they paid him, I think, $18 million. And it's not, it's not all guaranteed, but like three-year, you got a three-year deal too.

Good, good defense could challenge for a division title. Yeah. That division stinks, so they could win some games. Yeah. Yeah, they really could. There's so much to think about it out there, folks, when you're drafting an underdog. We just want you to be the most informed fan that you can be.

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Graham, great stuff. We really appreciate it. We're going to look for you in those best ball lobbies. And I can't wait to go have a beverage with you this summer out in Canton. I think I don't know if I'm able to go to Canton this year, unfortunately. Oh, you're a bastard. You win the belt. You're stealing from out from under me. And now you're not going to go rub it in my face. Oh, steal. Oh, we're talking about stealing. I'm sorry. Justin Jefferson, Tyree Kill, Travis E.N team last year. Who was that? Was that me?

Yeah, I started Taysam Hill, Rashid, Shaheed, and Russ Wilson on me. I had Mahomes Kelsey Stack. I'm never going to stop crying about that. Hey, it was a great battle. It was that Pat Friar Meath, man. I was sweating that out in my office all night. I was like, I just need one catch, one more catch from me. He dropped one of them, too.

I remember texting about it. That's all I. We'll win it back here in Best Ball. all folks. Make sure you're following Mr. Grandbr. I'm sure he's got the belt now somewhere sitting around. Yeah, it's not in here. Just tweet me a picture of it later. So make sure folks on Twitter, you're following Graham at Graham Barfield. Joe is FG underscore Dolan. I'm of course at Drake Fantasy. We appreciate you guys for hanging out with us here. Make sure you subscribe to that YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash Fantasy Points. And we'll see you next time on the two

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