Fantasy Football Daily - Updated Dynasty QB Rankings + Who's Above ADP And Who's Not? | Dynasty Points Market Report

Episode Date: February 1, 2025

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Dynasty points got together to talk rankings. Much has been discussed about quarterbacks and where we should draft them. What's happening with ADP. It is time to see if we are higher or lower than ADP and what the biggest discrepancies have been within the dynasty rankings war room at FantasyPoint.com. unfortunately with the Senior Bowl, Theo Gremager couldn't join us today. Hopefully he's able to join us for the discussions with running backs, wide receivers, tight ends.

For quarterbacks today, we have Ryan Heath, Andy Buckler, and myself, your host, Thomas Tipple. This is Dynasty Points Market Report. I'm excited. I'm excited to get into this. This conversation has not ever been had on the Dynasty podcast feed. I'm excited to get into it. Guys, I think I have a way to do this the easiest. We are going to list our 1 through 6.

I'm going to talk some discrepancies, why we have who where. I don't see the top 6 being a big groundbreaking discussion. But I could see 7 through 12, and then obviously everything after 12 being a legitimate discussion. We are higher than ADP on quite a few of these guys, which I find interesting. Let's kick it off first. I'm going to send it over to Ryan first. Let's go your one through six. Who do you have here?

Yeah, so really pretty easy here at the top for me. I've got Lamar Jackson first overall. Very close between him and Josh Allen at number two for me, but give Lamar a slight boost just for outscoring every other quarterback by multiple fantasy points per game this year. Number three, Jaden Daniels. Number four, I stick with Jalen Hertz. I have Joe Burrow at five and then Patrick Mahomes at six.

Yeah, that's interesting. One thing I'm just going to note before anyone, James Daniels is not QB1 for any of us, which I think is going to put off some people, greatest rookie season of all time, et cetera. Lamar Jackson's healthy years, he is unstoppable pretty much. And when, before he gets hurt,

he was the QB one or two. In both of the years, this season got cut short because of injuries. Like, he is just, when he's there, he's unreal. Buck, let's get your one through six. So mine is pretty similar. I got Josh Allen number one, Lamar Jackson at two. I thought about Daniels there, but put Daniels at three, Jalen Hurst at four, Joe Burrow at five, and then just a legacy pick at six as moms. See, I find it so interesting. We only have one player that we are all different on, really, in the top six. There's only one player that I have in there that you guys don't. So I'm going to go, my one, three, it's one, Lamar, two, Alan, three, Daniels, four Hertz. So so one, two, three, four is pretty much the same for all.

of us. Burrow just lands at five. People might wonder like why Burrow? Like is this like can you do it again? Every year that dude is healthy he's here. So let's and keep in mind that's with losing T. Higgins. That's with losing Jamar Chase all the time. That's while they're running the ball obsessively with Joe Mixing into the A gap 300 times like he's always being hurt himself. And that's what that's why I mentioned the two every year he's healthy this dude is here. Like, wrist injury everything he belongs here at five he's the pylon that belongs here and then at six i actually have herbert over mahomes one spot some of this is age like this is an age argument

a little bit for me it's whatever when you get into these six seven and then you look at where herbert moved up to from where he was six months ago or not even six months ago but you know three four months ago i feel like this is pretty warranted this is a lot of this is going to hinge on them not having Quentin Johnston be their second wide receiver next year and hoping that they don't go out and do something crazy like drafted Gentie or some other running back for them to go immediately back to their negative pass rate ways but we saw how things worked for Herbert toward the end of the year a lot of that had to do when Dobbins was out during that stretch so if they get that elite back then it's risky but for age and everything else with

Herbert, I like it. He was damn good at the end of the year. Things went their way until they went to the playoffs, but we don't care about the playoffs here for rankings. Not really. That's the 1 through 6. So I'll start at 7 because I have a player that's

not in my this little different. I have Mahomes at 7. I have Drake May at 8. I have Caleb Williams at 9. I have C.J. Stroud at 10. Kyler Murray 11

and I have Baker Mayfield at 12 let's go to Ryan yeah so very similar I guess at least for the first few guys I have Herbert at 7 him and Mahomes are just very similar tiers to me yeah yeah wouldn't

wouldn't quibble too much with anything you just laid out there 8 910 I also have Drake May Caleb Williams C.J. Stroud 11 I have Bo Nix and then at number 12 I have Brock Purdy So we're different here from 11 and 12.

My 11 and 12 very different than your 11 and 12. Buck, let's get yours. Okay, my 7 is Justin Herbert. My 8, I just made this switch as we're sitting here. My 8's Caleb Williams. My 9 is Drizzie Drake May. 10, C.J. Stroud. 11, Kyler Murray and 12 Boonex.

Interesting. Why are you out of the top 12 with Kyler Murray, right? Because this is the one, look, we've spent Dynasty Points and the last Dynasty Points Market Report talking about. Kyla Murray. I talked about it in a standalone video. People are sick of hearing us talk about Kyler Murray. But you have him, like that's a pretty decent drop. Like you're only one spot below ADP on him. So let's, oh, you're two spots below ADP. Let's, let's ask the question as to why. Yeah. So I'm just not, overall, I'm not a fan of his offensive environment. I don't

think that Drew Petzig ever wants to really spike up pass rate over expectation. Just everything they do in Arizona is kind of not super conducive to fantasy production. And I mean, we saw that. Kyler Murray was just a fringe top 12-ish kind of guy. So I have him slightly below his, like what would just straight up be implied by his fantasy scoring. Because I also think that there's a little bit of longevity risk to Kyler in a way that there really isn't for anyone else.

I would, like the rookies aside, who we'd don't know as much about or have as good of an NFL sample on. I would say Kyler is pretty clearly just the worst real-life NFL quarterback so far that we've talked about on these ranks. And that just makes me a little bit squeamish. As he advances in age, he's 27 right now, as his next contract runs out, obviously these are like concerns that would apply kind of years in the future. But I just, I just have like no view of like an, an, an, end game for anybody else above him. So I just talk him a little bit there because, yeah, again, the fantasy production is no

longer elite. And I, yeah, I just worry about the longevity and like how long the Cardinals are going to kind of put up with all the Kylerisms and him overthrowing over the head of like every single receiver that he tries to target all year. I think that's fair. This is the first year, Kyler-Marie and points per game hasn't been like a top 10 quarterback. So like that, that to me, I get your point on this, and I get why people are kind of fatigued with them, but I think there's few reasons fantasy-wise to dislike him, really.

I think you're right on the upside as capped issue, though. With his current environment, it'd be really hard for him to hit like a number one season. And you want that in a top 12 quarterback, I suppose. but, I mean, Theo has him at 10. So we're, like, he is the highest so far by a spot. Other than that, I have Baker at 12. Andy, you have him at 16. Ryan, you have him at 15.

I know that his, like, his offensive coordinator is gone in Liam Cohen. That's back to back years, actually, that his offensive coordinator has gone. Baker is going to turn the ball over. Like, I think that's, I think that's something we all have to realize. but Mike Evans is still there Bucky is still there the offensive line is still decent they promoted from within

I have a hard time not having him there at QB12 because what more over 300 yards rushing you rush for some touchdowns he's a threat all over their defense is getting worse even though their head coach is supposed to be a specialist

hard not to like this team with McMillan being there as well they'll probably I assume bring back Godwin Like, it's really hard if you get two to three more years of this. And keep in mind, like, there's almost nobody better than Baker for fantasy since the start of last year. There's very few guys that have been better, especially at their previous cost. So I just have a hard time looking at other quarterbacks that have his play style and saying, like, they deserve to be over him. So, yeah, I'll happily have Baker in that 12.

You don't really have to draft him there for the most part, because he's kind of hitting that, weird age split, but there's another quarterback we should talk about that I think Baker is better than, but you guys all have higher, or not all. You guys haven't met 13. I haven't met 17. I would much rather have Baker than Jordan Love. So let's talk about Jordan Love. I have Jordan Love at 17. Andy and Ryan, you guys both have them at 13. Why do I feel like I'm on an island. I'm the lowest right now with Jordan Love. I'm on an island here. Someone help me out, Ryan. Yeah. So I mean, I'm a spot below ADP on Love Buck is as well. So yeah, I'm not a guy I'm necessarily targeting at the current market costs. But what I would say in terms of love over Baker

is, yeah, we know what the offensive environment is. We know the coaching staff. We know the system. We know that Matt LaFleur knows what he's doing. Does Matt LaFleur have these stretches where he gets in love with the run game way too much? Yes, absolutely. But I think he knows what he's doing as a coach. He has put competent offenses out there every single season that he's been a head coach. So I just really trust in kind of the floor of that offensive environment for Jordan Love a lot more than I do for Baker Mayfield with a totally new OC. I think Baker's great.

Don't get me wrong. I love Baker, one of my favorite players in the NFL. But there's two things here. We have also seen that the Bucks can run a much more run-heavy offense. They were doing that from like weeks eight through 14 or whereabouts. They're in the middle of the season, kind of before Baker went on his run right at the end in the fantasy playoff. So we have seen them take a more run-heavy approach. They do have the running backs to do that.

Any coach that comes in here could say, okay, we're going to run the ball a ton. We've got these two running backs we're really feeling good about Baker doesn't have to do as much. I just, and that along with, does the new play caller know what he's doing at all compared to William Cohn? That just makes me want to have Baker a few spots below love. In terms of like upside, I, yeah, obviously Baker was only outscored. by Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow on a per game basis this last year, would not impugn you for preferring Baker just because you think he's going to score more fantasy points in 2025.

I don't think that's like an awful bet to make. But again, I just really prefer the stability of love kind of when we get down into this area because most quarterbacks outside of the top 12 are kind of on this fringe are not guys that you can really expect like a top five or top three season out of ever. I just want the guys that I know are going to continue being in a decent offense, like projected out into the near future or the moderate future, I guess. So yeah, love gets like the edge for me there. But still, I mean, still fairly similar tiers.

That's fair. Buck, what is it about love? Yeah, I agree. Like I had love on the Tuesday show as a, I'm on my cell, one of my worst picks. So I was looking, like, I wanted to put him lower, but when you got to that, like, quarterback 13 to 50 and just got really ugly, and it felt like a big, like,

like, glob at that point. Like, they're all kind of similar. With Baker, he'll be 30 in April. I really worry about the noose change. And I'm a lot lower on Baker as, like, an actual NFL talent. And, like, I know some of that has biased that, you know, has shined through this year. He's really good.

But he did, he did up his career high in touchdowns by 13, his yards by 500. it. So it's a legitimate, like, it could be, end up being a legitimate super outlier season for him. His, his weapons are aging and one's hurt. And maybe we don't even know if he's going to come back for sure. With Love, I just feel like he has more, upside is a tough word because we throw around upside just because the player is younger. Obviously, Baker's upsides, quarterback three. So we don't want to say it's more upside. But I think, I do think love has a lot more upside in value that he just is it. We saw him hit this, the one to turn, even at the early first round.

round of startups. And that's kind of how I also base my rankings is I do, you know, have value in the mix of that. And we saw him just a year ago be a first round pick. Baker's stuck in that like Jerich off type range where he's going to be like a fourth round pick for a few years and be a really, really good pick similar to like a couple years ago, you know, five years ago when just pick Matt Ryan there and, you know, get a QB one season. I don't think, I mean, if Baker didn't jump now, he's probably never going to jump up in value, especially now as he hits his 30s. He's like, like I said, stuck in that golf, maybe get up to the DAC range.

I just worry about that. And I think Love has a lot of upside in this offense, like where they could add a lot of things. And we see them at like one player, add, you know, trade for one receiver. He'll just jump. But I do, like I said, I worry about both. And this is where I get like, it's dicey on rankings. And this is where like the arguments could shine through.

But yeah, I don't think it's like necessarily a bad thing to have Baker ranked at 12 like you do. Like we talked about like Anthony Richardson, right? If Anthony Richardson scored like Baker, he'd be the 104. Yeah. So I think Baker super underrated and how he actually scored, he was a legitimate league winner and like super elite, but I just not sure if that's something that's going to keep up.

I think that's fair. The thing is, is if Love does X, he'll jump back to X. We see more often quarterbacks that don't run, not rebound. Like there's very few guys that do. Burrow rebounded big time.

He was really pushed down, sometimes second round with the injuries. Now he's right back to where he was previously with the quarterback four, five-ish off the board. So I think there's just very few guys that can bounce back. Herbert bounced back, even though his dip was kind of funny. But even after the season, right, even after the season they both had love still held value. He's picked 27 and Baker's down to pick 41. Quarterback, that's only three quarterback spots.

But at the start of the top season, though, he was a second round pick. And now he's in the third. He's already, he's dropping. No, for sure, but he's still not like he's he's not dropping as much as Baker has gone up, if that makes sense. Like Baker's still telling you where Baker is. I agree. Let's say Green Bay doesn't go and get their wide receiver and they're back stuck with a bunch of future CFLers. Sorry, Ryan, you can cover your ears for this one.

They're just back with the bunch of dudes that are system guys, none of them, and they just keep hammering the ball with Josh Jacobs for touchdowns, taking away all of Jordan loves upside, considering their defenses, Not bad. They are a good team. So Jordan Love comes back out again, and yes, he was hurt, and yes, that limited him. I totally understand this. He doesn't bounce back in a big way. He kind of just stays where he's at. And now what do you do?

A year later, he's not a young buck. He's not even that far off from Baker himself. So there's just no guarantee that these. So Baker is definitely you're right. Look, I used to shit on Jared Gough forever, and all that guy does is put up, like, back-end QB-1 seasons at the store. point. So I was probably too low on guys like that. There's a little bit of safety with him for sure. And you're just hoping this offense just keeps the pedal down, which back to back off of its

coordinators, eventually the luck's got to run out, right? But when Baker is healthy and not just handing the football to the other team every play, he's been good for fantasy going back to his rookie year. So I don't know, maybe it's just a safety thing for me. And don't get me wrong, I was the Jordan Love guy first. I was the first person that, I saw anywhere put him in the top 10 for dynasty quarterbacks last year. It's just he needs again, what do we always talk about with pylons? They need insane touchdown efficiency or some rushing upside. And I don't ever want to trust that.

At least with Baker for two years, his touchdown efficiency has been bananas. So I feel some safety. I agree. I just don't say one last thing about that. Baker did hit a career high in rushing yards at age 29, which definitely is anomaly. And we've only seen Love play for two seasons. The first year he did, I mean, he wasn't mobile, but he was running. Like we talked about on the Tuesday show, six games over 20 yards.

He knocked out his ankle in week one. And maybe, like you said, it could be injury. Maybe it is injury. And he's another guy like Stroud really needs to work on run, like really needs to just work on running because he has it there a lot and just doesn't do it. And when he does run around, I mean, he could run. So that's the thing that we would hope the coaches kind of get with him, just like Stroud and say like you got it. You definitely got to move a little more. because that super limited them in the playoffs too.

So we saw like we've seen him run. We only seen two seasons of him. So there's a chance maybe he does. Maybe we don't fully know. Maybe he does run. I don't know if that should be baked him. But I'm not positive. He's just a super, you know, 75 rushing yards a season guy.

Yeah. And just like a quick thing to add. To be clear, it's not just the direct fantasy production that we care about from someone like a Jordan love running a little bit more or a Stroud or a baker or any of these kind of like sub hyper mobile tier guys. It's also just that being able to scramble extends drives really well. Like this is honest, one of the best things that Patrick Mahomes does as a player is just

being able to scramble out of trouble and extend a drive and give himself more scoring opportunities. So that's just what you want to see, even if it's only amounting to like one to two fantasy points per game from rushing. that's not even the point necessarily. It's also just the offense being able to succeed much better in general if you have that kind of skill in your pocket as a quarterback. I think that's fair.

I think that's fair. Speaking of quarterback goes to the top 12, let's talk about it. I'll go from 13 and we will go to 16, right? 13, 14, 50, 60, 17, I can count. I'll start with Bo Nix. He's outside of my top 12. Being the Bo Nix guy and being the guy not having him in the top 12 feels weird. That feels weird, but he's not in there.

He's not in there for me. I have McCarthy at 14, which is significantly higher than everyone else here. I just, that offense and his age, it's to me hard to miss. We can talk about it. I have Brock Party at 15. I am the lowest as a former Brock Party guy. Again, that feels weird to me. Trevor Lawrence is up at 16 for me.

This is a lot of projecting with the new offense. We'll see, especially I saw. the rapport where they're looking at somebody like Tet perhaps, that would be disgusting. Would absolutely be disgusting. Buck, cover your ears. But to replicate Mike Evans Godwin, I mean, A, I'll take it. I'll take it. Although I still am holding out hope for Christian Kirk being back in Jacksonville, just getting

peppered with targets. That would be super nice. And I already mentioned my 17, which is Jordan Love, already mentioned that. Don't really got to dive any deeper into that. really but let's let's pitch it to Andy let's go 13 through 17 and see where we really mix it up okay so my 13 is jordan love my 14 rock purdy my 15 is shiverromanse and honestly more i sit here and think about it probably would just rather have Trevor Lawrence above love so probably move probably swap those two and then my 16 is baker and 17 was j jay mccarthy

man that's just low on jj to me right uh first i want to say to be clear J.J. McCarthy's ADP is QB19 right now. So all of us are high on him. So you're not like the only one who likes J.J. McCarthy in this room. You're just even more insane than me and Buck here. Only insane for now, Ryan. Only insane for now. Yeah, insane may be the wrong word.

Even more enthusiastic. I'll put it that way. That's a better way to save face later. Jordan Love 13 for me. We just talked about. Kyler at 14, who we also talked about. I have Baker at 15. Again, that whole tier is like, I'm not really, I don't feel all that strongly about where any of the guys fit in that tier.

J.J. McCarthy at 16 for me. And then I have Tuatunga by Loa at 17. And I'll just say, since you guys both mentioned Trevor Lawrence, I have him right here in this tier at 18. I think first time ever in Trevor Lawrence's career that I have not ranked him below ADP. So that's got that going for him now. Hey, you're on the up. Trevor Lord's reputation on the up just by getting a different coach. Will he continue to be the coach killer?

We'll find out. He's been a dream killer, that's for sure. So you're the highest on Tua. Let's talk about that. I have two at 18 shocker, like surprise, surprise. And he's all the way down there at 22. Still in the top 24 for him. Let's talk about two at 17.

Why at 17? Yeah. So I kind of a like I, I guess what I'm doing in these ranks, something I'm really emphasizing is offensive system. And we know that Tua has Mike McDaniel. That's really a lot of what goes into this ranking. I have him slightly above Lawrence just because McDaniel has a bit more of a sample of being a genius offensive play designer than William Cohn does.

And obviously he's in a new team. So we don't always see OCs successfully. make the transition to being a head coach. Sometimes either one kind of skill set or the other drops off. It's a lot to manage for one person, obviously. So that's a slight worry I have with Cohn and with Trevor Lawrence. But, yeah, I mean, we know that Tua is going to produce whenever he's on the field. Yes, he is more of an injury risk than most other QBs in the league.

But he kind of, he goes out there and he puts up 17 or more fantasy points per game. whenever he's on the field. So, yeah, I just think he belongs kind of in this, like, top half of the QB2 range no matter what. Yeah, I mean, the only reason I would have him lower is if you're significantly more concerned about, like, the concussion stuff than I am. But every time he gets a concussion, everyone says, oh, my God, is he going to retire? And he's always like, no, what the hell are you guys talking about? Like, I want to play football.

So I just kind of expect that to continue. least for a while. So yeah, I'm not like too worried about it, honestly. My issue with Tua, and keep in mind when I say my issue, I have him at 18. It's not like I'm drastically different. Buck, you're the lowest. My issue with Tua is he led the league in passing and was still unplayable some weeks, not this year, but the last.

So like that's always going to be. He feels like he's the Ferrari of this tier, but he's really not. He can definitely be a Pinto week in and week out. And, you know, I don't. I care about my self-esteem and never want to be caught driving a pinto ever. But Buck, let's tell why you're the lowest of the low. It almost feels disrespectful. But 22 for Tua.

Yeah, so I'm lower on Tua because I think when you talk about situation for a player and it's the first thing you talk about, like volume, similar running backs or a different player. When the first thing you talk about is volume, then you're probably just too high on the player. Because I don't think anything Tua does. I don't think two is a good player. Like I might get canceled for that, whatever. I think two is a bad quarterback. And he's stuck in a, I mean, we used to do the Herbert Tua thing.

Like that was like a real debate at one point. He's in a really good offense and a really good coach who, I think, I don't know, Mike McDaniel, he's definitely a good coach, but not as good as the first couple of years. With Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle, Tyreek Hill once out, he said he wants to be a porn star, and he already asked for a trade. and the Jalen Waddle really bad season last year. We know the profiles on Jalen Lotto for the most part have been good. Jalen Loll is definitely good.

I don't think he would be great as the center of their offense if that had to be a thing. And now he's turned into like this, you know, like tight end. He just like throws the tight end and the running back. And then you add in all the concussion stuff. Like I don't I don't really see a reason to be that high on Tua because I don't know how long like he'll last as an NFL starter. I mean, I know he has a contract, but I don't, I don't like betting. I don't like betting on players I think aren't good. And, and he also doesn't, it's like he scores a bunch of fantasy points either. He's a fine fantasy quarterback. He definitely doesn't run. And the running's not,

I mean, he got his noodle knocked five times. He stopped running. Yeah, the running's not coming back. I mean, he's not, he already got his noodle knocked five times. That's not happening again. So, hold on. Can we talk about what he did his first scramble he dove head first? Like, You know what, Tua? We want running from our quarter. Not you. You stay in the pocket and never leave it. Please, for the love of God.

Stop. Yeah, so I can't, like, I can't really see myself clicking Tua, to me honest, especially if it's where I have them ranked is fine. Like, if you're, you know, you punt quarterback for a while. You, like, draft one quarterback and then punt it for four or five rounds if he falls. But, yeah, I know, like, that's a controversial take of mine. Like, I know people get on my case, like, even on Discord of my Tua take. I just, I don't know.

I'm just a lot. lower on the player and the talent. I think if the number one thing we talk about a situation, then I think that's where we kind of lost the plot because situations could change. They probably will change, especially in that offense when, you know, money's starting to get tighter, when they have to pay the players. Tyre Kill, like we said, ask out is, you know, on the wrong side of 30. So I don't want to just completely bet on two of the reason I'm betting on him is just because of the situation. I mean, I'll push back a little bit there, but first I'll give you, I'll give you credit here. Both Thomas and I are much higher on two of an 80 people.

His ADP is QB 22 right now. So it's actually you that's in line with the market buck. It's not us. So we're probably the ones. Me and Thomas are going to be the ones getting canceled for our out on a limb to it takes. But yeah, I got a really correct mind. 18.

I'm looking at like some of the guys. Yeah, I'm going to have to make some changes. Just a minute. Like a DAC, I got to, yeah, I got to make changes.

Okay. Tom's changing his mind in real time. So I'm alone here, I guess. But what you say, Buck, about a quarterback situation and not and thinking that that is like a I guess like a poor way to approach fantasy football rankings.

I think in today's NFL outside again of like the hyper mobile tier of guys, I think quarterback situation actually matters a lot. Like we just saw what Sam Darnold did. We just saw what Baker Mayfield did. We just saw what Bryce Young did in a different situation, quote unquote. And with, especially with Bryce Young, the weapons weren't really all that different from last year. He was still throwing to Adam Dillon, like mostly. It's the situation around him in the organization.

It's the scheme. It's the coaching. All of that is like very, very important to me for fantasy production. I recently did a decent size study just on quarterbacks playing under Shanahan or McVeigh-Tree play call. and those guys, if you just blindly clicked them in redraft, like after outside of the first 100 picks, all of those guys gave you a much bigger advantage over any other quarterback. Literally just blindly click a guy in a Mick Shanahan offense.

And I'm counting like Shane Waldron as like a Mick Shanahan coach in this time, right? So obviously they don't all hit, but I really don't want to understate how much that matters to me that I know who the coach is and that it's a scheme that I have respect for. No, I agree with that. I'm not saying it does. It definitely matters, but it ups players like him. My issue is it's a dynasty ranking, right?

It could like if Mike McDaniel gets fired, they haven't done anything in the playoffs. So if Mike McDaniel gets fired and it's a new, it's a new scheme, I worry too is going to crumble. It's similar to Sam Donald, right? If Sam Donald signed with the Vikings, just signed a five-year deal with the Vikings, he'd be our like quarterback 16. He signs tomorrow with the Raiders. quarterback 27 because like we don't think he's good we're basing off the scheme if toa if they hired shane waldron or if he you know if twoa got traded to the raiders we would drop him because he's not he's not

good so like it's it's a it's a it's a dynasty take in the sense that like I worry about if the situation does it we know he could operate you know an offense like that like so could young jarek off and he got traded and they had to add two first-on picks to get rid of him and i still think like Mike McDaniel wants to, like this is a football take, I guess. I think Mike McDaniel wants to find his Matthew Stafford, and we know he's tried to do that, right? He was in on Deshaun Watson. They lost a pick over Tom Brady. I think he's tied to two of because he kind of feel like he has to be.

And I don't know, like, he just signed that deal. I don't know the deal. But yeah, no, I definitely agree that they help and we want quarterbacks in that situation for sure. Like, that's not my argument. My argument is what if in two years or a year and a half he's not. in the situation anymore. I don't believe in the talent enough to overcome that.

So I'd rather, like we said, it's a similar, Sam Donald. He would be quarterback 16 and the Vikings quarterback 29 on the Raiders. I think that's similar to it to me. Yeah, I guess I'm just not as convinced as you are that McDaniel is, like, genuinely on the hot seat. I know that there was plenty of talk about that this year. And maybe that does become real if they kind of disappointingly miss the playoffs again next year. And like, that's definitely the way I'm wrong.

You're right. I think I'm just not as worried that he's going to lose his job. But that could be where I'm going wrong. I think that's, I think all of that is fair. I think this bottom wrong of quarterback is kind of flip-floppy anyway. Let's quickly run through the rest. Let's run through 18 to 24. So I want to ask one more question before we get Ed here.

I'll start. 18, too, I talked about it. AR for me, is that 19 still? I don't know if I have to reevaluate this or not. I probably do. But I'm keeping Anthony Richardson at 19. Because if he plays more often than not, he's going to produce. But how long does he get to play for?

They're not even putting him on the graphic for the international games. I don't know what to make of it. But for now, with how people feel about him for upside cause, I'm going to put him at 19. 20, I have Bryce Young, which is a big change for us, especially. Fuck, you and I. Coming back a little bit. Now, I'm not in the camp that he was like all world when he came.

came back from his timeout, but he was better for sure. He rushed a bunch of touchdowns in at the end of the year. We love that. Jared Goff at 21. I don't think a lot changes with that Detroit offense. I think he's a safe pick. Dak at 22 is a risky business type call because this man tore his hamstring off the bone. He's going to be even more immobile.

And they just hired Schottenheimer. So not fun. But at 22, you can't really go. He's probably still just the best safest QB1 click if you totally. punt the position. Like he's safe as safe can be. Michael Penix is actually at 23. hilarious. I was the Penix guy.

Lowest of the team here on Pennix at 23 by one or two spots. And then at number 24, I have Darnold. The Darnold one is tough to do because we don't know where he's going to be. But after that, it's like, who do you put there? Cousins? Fields, Levis, car?

I mean, the new quarterbacks are, when we put the new quarter, like the rookie quarterbacks coming in, That's going to change this a lot, but we haven't for now. This is just where we're at right now. So that's my 18 through 24. Ryan, what do you ask? I will tell you in one second when the sheet re-updates

because it just completely pooed out right in front of my eyes. Sorry about that. So 18, I have Trevor Lawrence, as we mentioned a bit earlier. 19. I have Dak Prescott. Totally with you there. I'm going to become a, Brian Schottenheimer defender, he's saying all the right things that he should be about wanting

to use more motion. That was something very much lacking in the Cowboys offense last year. So I don't know. We got like decent offensive seasons out of the Seahawks in Schottenheimer's last couple of years as well. I don't think it's like guaranteed to be a disaster with him. But that that's, I'm sure that's something we're going to talk about all offseason. 21 I have, or sorry, 20, I have Jared Gough. 21. I have Bryce Young. 22, Michael Pennix. 23, Anthony Richardson. Yeah, with him, it's just, it can instantly completely evaporate, which scares me a little bit.

Like his entire dynasty value can go up and smoke immediately. And it kind of already did once. So I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop, honestly, with him. That's fair. And then I, yeah, and then I have Darnold at 24. I think Gino Smith is like a pretty clear number 25, for me getting Clint Kubiak there pretty interested in what that Seahawks offense is going to look like now. Derek Carr, very notably, was a top 12 QBi by fantasy points per dropback under Kubiak this past season.

And then, yeah, after 25, I would say it gets very thin and very rough. Like I would just take Justin Fields over and has my 26, honestly. just kind of on the that that's like where I'd like to take AR is like the Justin Field spot like that's how I'm kind of viewing it's like why am I clicking AR when I can click Justin Fields I don't think it's actually that different of a bed yeah I think that's fair I got to change my Gino smith rank in realize I had him at 33 so he's got one you're going to get one year at a Gino probably in that offense with his con we'll see what happens but yeah it's it's going to be interesting there I don't hate that at all obviously Gino will forever be my QV2 king

forever for as long as I get to have them there. So Buck, let's go with your 18 to 24 before we get out of here. My 18 is Jericho. I'll be honest. I don't really feel great about that, similar to my Tua take with Ben Johnson gone. Definitely worries me a little. But I have him at 18, Dack at 19, Bryceung at 20, Michael Penix, 21, 2 at 22, as we talked about.

Anthony Richardson, 23, and Sam Donald at 24. Yeah, I think for the most part, it's all really, really, relatively the same this this tier i mean obviously i'm higher on a rich just purely out of i can't i can't totally quit the profile i should be able to but i can't i think this is all legit the most dangerous quarterback to me there's two of them it's richardson by ranking at 19 and then pennix at 23 pennix is going to go we talked about it the other night on dynasty points his adp at 17 is insane. That's insane! Insane! That we've jumped them ahead of

Dak and Lawrence and McCarthy and Young over two games, one of which completely didn't matter at the end of the year. And he was bad. He missed so many throws to a wide open Drake London, but Ryan, I know we have to get out of here shortly. I want to ask one question to all of us and see who is the hardest player to rank?

Out of the top, in the top 24, who was the one that you struggled with the most? And I'll start with Ryan. Struggled with the most. It probably was Pennix for me, honestly. Yeah, just as I mostly line up kind of with your thoughts that this is way too small of a sample to have to have him over any of the very productive names that you just mentioned. And guys, some of which we just talked up based on some. offseason movement in their situations. But yeah, like I get it with Penix. He looked pretty good in a small sample. That is like, I like the weapons around him generally. It should be like a

decent situation for a quarterback. We definitely, that's another, I guess another McShanahan offense. So I certainly get it. I like I see the upside with him. I do just, yeah, at QB17. I think you're like you're out over your skis there. Like that that's that's more than you should have to pay is how I'll put it. Because yeah, you can get actual McShanahan QBs that we've seen be productive at that spot instead. But yeah, that Pennix, again, can just fall off the face of the earth. Maybe not like as quickly and spectacularly as AR can. But are we really that surprised if it's week four of 2025?

and Pennix is averaging like 13 fantasy points per game. Now we're like, oh my God, like this is. Oh, no, my dynasty draft capital is on fire right now. So yeah, as I was saying, like I see the upside. Like I kind of wanted to rank him a little bit higher. Like it's, I kind of like the idea of like, oh, maybe I want him over Bryce Young. Maybe I want him over Jared Gough without Ben Johnson. Like those are arguments I was having with myself.

But yeah, I ultimately ended up at. 22nd, which is similar to what you guys said. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. He is risky 100%. The upside is definitely there, but he's risky. Buck, who is the hardest one for you to rank? My was Jordan Love. So I had him at 13, which is two spots below his ADP at quarterback 11. And I, like, wanted to put him lower, but it gets hard in that, you know, in that tier. Even at quarterback 13, two spots below, like, I still don't want to draft him there. So it was just really tough for me because I think like I really like it's hard.

The quarterbacks when it gets there, like I said, are tough. I really think he should be closer like 18, but I don't know where to like I don't want to put, you know, guys like JJ McCarthy, we haven't seen ahead of him. And like maybe we talked about Baker. Like maybe I should look at that. And like I said, I probably would move Lawrence. So it was it was Jordan love for me, but it was really just like that tier of love purdy, Lawrence and Baker.

I think that was the toughest one. Because I think, you know, when you're in a draft, like that is like a tier that's this the tier in the draft i think it is actually you know the decision it's not it's not like wide receiver two's right like the smitty dk macf range like pick whoever you'll be fine it's not really a big deal like wide receiver two's in reality don't really matter if you pick smitty you pick dk like you're not it's not going to lose you the league i think that range actually kind of could because we've seen we've seen baker average 25 points per game we've seen love you know average 14 points per game for a long stretch.

So I think that was the hardest, the hardest tier for me and mainly Jordan Love. Yeah, all those are great points. For me, I will say the hardest for me was Patrick Mahomes, honestly. I've spent all year talking about Patrick Mahomes and how the Chiefs don't care, and they get to the playoffs and they score their first 30-point game against Buffalo, absolutely just big-winging them, running plays, they hadn't ran, all this stuff.

But yet the regular season is when we play fantasy football. And then I went and looked and every year Matt Nagy has been back. This has been the case. Is Matt Nagy going any? I don't know. I don't even know if he is the real issue. Now there's reports of Rishie Rice, potentially not being able to play this year,

at least being terrible or heal it. New Rishie Rice injury info that I can't seem to get confirmed by anybody. But that would obviously run a risk. And then again, how much do they care? Do they draft it? Like Patrick Mahomes. is just a guy who no longer, to me, perennially, can score you 25 to 28 fantasy points. But then if you drop him below some of these other guys, because 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 are all

question marks. I can give you question marks for everyone in that range. Justin Herbert could fall victim to the pass rate over expectation. Drake May could just never materialize because they don't build an offense around him. Kayla Williams could not fit in Ben Johnson system and continue to take 27 sacks a game. CJ Stroud could just never be elite again. Kyla Murray could never bounce back. Baker Mayfield's, Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix.

Really, really, seven through 12 and 13, you can make a case where all of these guys plummet. And then there's Patrick Mahomes, who you draft them, and 12 weeks out of the year, you're disappointed because it's Patrick Baholmes, and you know he can score 50 touchdowns. He's the hardest person for me to run. I want to put him at 12th,

just to let him know that we're doubting him. so he bounces back next year because I know he'd pay attention to that somehow. But that's what, it's like when you put your QB1, who's been struggling and you move him into the Superflex spot, just so he knows that you see that he's struggling, right? It's like the only decision you can make is a fantasy manager with your teams, like moving your player and your wide receiver two spot into your third flex, just so he knows.

All of a sudden he bounces back. That's the feeling I have with ranking Mahomes at six right now. I don't want to do it because I think he doesn't care about maybe he needs to lose a Super Bowl. I don't know. Then he'll care about the regular, come on Eagles.

Do something to make this man give a shit about the regular season again because I don't think he does. I think every so often he pops off with a game that makes you think he cares again and then he just goes back to handing it off 27 times to running back as they get off the street, slamming it into the A gap.

It's insane. But Holmes is the hardest one for me. for obvious reasons. But that's going to do it. That's the QB ranking show. Real quick, dive into our quarterback ranks for now. We'll do another one when the rookies get implemented to our ranking system. We will talk through it, talk why, get the update.

Hopefully next time we get Theo next week. I think we're going to do running backs. And again, hopefully Theo Grimiger can join us on that as well. I'm going to try to continue to get the guru. Guru's very hard to get a hold of for stuff like this. We will do our best. I know everyone wants the guru's rankings. We need the guru ranks. But I will reach out to Guru and see if he is available. Otherwise, that's going to do it. Let us know who you think is off, who needs to be adjusted. Leave a comment and let us know.

Other than that, for Ryan Heath, for Andy Buckler. I'm your host, Thomas Dipple. Hope you enjoyed the podcast. We'll see you next time for the Dynasty Points Market Report.