Fantasy Football Daily - Way Too Early Experts Best Ball Draft Review | Two-Point Stance Podcast

Episode Date: February 17, 2023

It's never too early to start drafting 2023 fantasy football best ball teams.  Our Brian Drake (@DrakeFantasy) was part of a 10-team experts league draft and we're going over the entire draft board.  What will fantasy draft boards look like in 2023?  What fantasy football advice can we give?  Will wide receivers dominate the top of draft boards?  What was Drake's draft strategy?   Link to the draft board: https://twitter.com/SiriusXMFantasy/status/1625339453198815234/photo/1   Follow the show on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrakeFantasy  https://twitter.com/FG_Dolan  https://twitter.com/FantasyPts   Are you subscribed to the Fantasy Points YouTube?  You should be!  Free content posted multiple times per week: Youtube.com/FantasyPoints   At Underdog Fantasy you can draft best ball teams TODAY for the 2023 season.  They have contests live right now with one million dollars in prizes available.  Heck, they’ve got all sports covered at Underdog.  You can enter contests for the NBA, NHL, and PGA all with our promo code FANTASYPTS.  Head over to Underdog Fantasy and use our code FANTASYPTS to get your first-time deposit doubled up to $100.  That’s code FANTASYPTS at Underdog Fantasy for a massive deposit bonus of up to $100.     FantasyPoints.com has ALL of your 2023 fantasy football season-long, betting, and DFS content in one place.    #FantasyFootball #NFL #FantasyFootballAdvice #fantasyfootballdraft #bestball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's time to the Fantasy Points podcast brought to you by FantasyPoint.com. Top-level fantasy football and NFL betting analysis from every perspective and angle, from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. All across the fantasy universe, welcome one and all to the two-point stance, powered by FantasyPoints.com. I'm your host, Brian Drake, on Twitter at Drake Fantasy. joined as always by my main man Joe Dolan, managing editor of Fantasy Points.com. He's on Twitter at FG underscore Dolan.

Joe, this is going to be fun tonight because we're kind of going to flip the roles here a little bit. And you're going to be looking at a draft that I did for Sirius XM, a 10-team best ball draft. I did with all these big minds in the fantasy industry. And now you're going to be kind of being the host. and I'm almost the analyst at times here. So this will be fun, a little roll reversal. So yeah, you were, so this draft you were in that we're reviewing here, Drake, by the way, good to be with you here on a Thursday night.

We had John Hanson on the Tuesday podcast, and we've just essentially kicked off the 20, 23 season. That's what we're doing here. And then I think that's what the majority of our conversations are going to be about going forward. We're going to talk NFL draft, have some dynasty talk, get some guests on here. But what perfect serendipitous timing of Sirius XM, You and I both, I guess we're colleagues, even though I don't think we've ever hosted together on XM.

You and I are colleagues. I like to say Howard Stern is my colleague. That's right. Because at Sirius XM. I'm more Ralph, Cirilla, or Ronnie the limo driver, but, you know, that's where I fall in. I got to be honest, I'm a little partial with ass napkin, Ed. Yes. Best wet packer of all time.

So, yeah, my boy, TJ will love that shout out. I'll have to. we might have to get my boy TJ on here and you and I'll just sit here and laugh while you and he rank whack Packers. We might have to get ass napkin out on the show. Yeah, we could, maybe we will. If we get big enough, we'll get ass napkin Ed on here.

Anyway, Drake, you, you participated in the series XM draft. I believe it was Monday. And perfect, just perfect content. I mean, talk about teeing it up for us, man. Just get us some content. You were in the draft. get to look at some of these crazy picks and analyze them. I will be honest, I have not been in a draft yet. I have not done this was my first one. Some of these guys were talking on the air.

This was during the football diehards, our good pals, Bob Harris and Mike Dempsey. And Bob Harris has already said, he wants to come on the two-point stance. And I mean, some of these guys are like, I've already done 20 drafts already. I'm like, man, you guys are degenerates. I respect it. And I'm kind of in awe. By the way, Bob Harris, nicest guy in the fantasy. industry. I mean, he might be one of the nicest guys in any industry, quite frankly. I love Bob. Anyway, so I want to, I always love Roasted Bob because he's such a good sport. But I want to take a look at this draft, Drake. We'll put a link to the to the board in, in the show notes, both on YouTube. And heck, maybe you should share your screen here on YouTube. Right. How's that? Sure. Yeah, we can, we can try that. And hey, how about if you're watching on YouTube right now, our new two point stance look? We're trying to differentiate ourselves. Our snazzy new background for those of you guys who enjoy watching shout out to our guy leave at five yard lee on twitter for creating this for us always doing fantastic work for me let me see if i can share this we're professionals here folks okay we're going to share the screen

let's see uh yeah that this is live television right that just me me on the fly all right oh Oh, Drake, this is perfect. It made my face smaller. It made your face smaller. And it made the draft board bigger. By the way, I'm really glad you weren't looking at porn. Yes, that's the. Yeah, who did that?

Oh, it was a wrestler. It's a guy, JBL, I believe, shared something. Somebody did. And they had a porn table. Who cares? I found a new starlet today. I'll share that in the district. chord over it fantasy points. I really appreciate that. Text me after the show is over.

All right. So what, look, we're, we're just going to break down this draft. Like, what do draft boards look like? What, what were some things that surprise you? What are some things that surprise me? Let's go through it. Ten man. Okay, so what? Ten man, I'm just guessing one quarterback, two running back, three receiver, tight end and a flex. Yes. And again, this is best ball. So yes, but you're starting a quarterback, two running backs, three receivers, tight end, and flex and I picked out of the nine hole in this full point PPR. All right. So that's Howard Bender at the first pick.

Jamar. All right. Jamar Chase goes number one. And that's kind of what we're going to see. We talked to this about with John Hanson on our previous show, lessons learned. We kind of previewed a little bit of what we're going to talk about for 2023. And I implore all of you.

Go listen to that show. It's phenomenal. But this is what you're going to see that's start of every draft, I think, for the remainder of the summer. Chase, McCaffrey, Jefferson, in some semblance of that order. Yeah. So, I mean, look, Jamar Chase is a superstar. He's a stud. Do you think, did you think when you were breaking this draft down? Did you think Chase going first overall was a little cute vis-a-vis Justin Jefferson? Like, even if you're set on drafting a wide receiver, like Justin Jefferson goes third overall. I mean, if you're going to draft a receiver, why don't you draft Jefferson? I don't know.

interesting kind of an interesting way to break that down in my opinion yeah i mean to me it doesn't matter they're all awesome at that point and what's going to happen is everyone's going to go into this year with like jefferson's the man blah blah and what if chase outscores him by 15 points this year like we don't know i mean they're both one a one b to me but the one thing that you don't have to really worry about as much with jefferson is there's not as much target competition whereas you know chase has another alpha on the outside in T. Higgins. So essentially the thing that concerns me just a little bit when it comes to, when it comes to Jefferson is T.J. Hawkinson with a full season.

Hawkinson was a big time, I mean, he was the number two tight end overall this year and was dominant after he got traded to the Vikings. does he become a more a bigger target hound than Adam Thielen who Thielen was a certain type of receiver you know they loved him in the red zone but he wasn't really a target hound does T.J. Hawkinson become that

but at the end of the season Justin Jefferson was posting big numbers just as T.J. Hawkinson was posting big numbers. The Vikings are going to throw the ball. Look, Jamar Chase top three pick. I have no issue with it. I'm going to keep them in my longest term keeper league where I'm going to have a mid-first round pick. I'm going to get a value. there. I probably, if I was taking a receiver, I probably would have gone with Jefferson,

but it's just to show you where the fantasy hive mind is on, on Jamar Chase right now. And by the way, I know you've heard this. Is there a chance the Bengals are like, we're not going to be able to pay Joe Burrow, we're not going to be able to pay Jamar Chase, and we're not going to be able to pay T. Higgins. I know you've heard, could T. Higgins be kind of the A.J. Brown style surprise young wide receiver trade this offseason. Oh my gosh. If I'm Dallas, if I'm the giant, the giants stick out to me like a sore thumb in this. Easy first round pick give up.

You easily give up. Absolutely. And if you're Cincinnati, you look at it and go, we got to pay Burrow. We're going to have to pay Chase. I mean, is it the craziest thing in the world if someone throws you a first round pick? Similar to what the Eagles did with AJ Brown? You know, the difference is the Burrow extension. You know, Burrough is eligible for Nixon.

Yeah, because he and, he and Hertz are eligible right now. I think the Eagles probably want to get the Hertz done before Burrow gets done. But yeah, I think T. Higgins is somebody who could be moved. And, you know, what's interesting is the Eagles will probably have the same decision to make with Devante Smith. I feel like the Eagles are going to find a way to keep both Adrian around and Devante Smith long term. That's for another day, though. I just think it's interesting, Jamar Chase, that target competition, it could open up. The Bengals could choose, all right, we're going to have to take the hit here.

We're going to have to trade T. Higgins. We'll get a first round pick for him and we might be able to replace them or at least try to replace them with a first round pick. But we've got to clear up some money so we can pay Burrow and Chase. I think that's a potentially interesting scenario for sure. Okay, so let's roll through the first round here. Chase McCaffrey off the board is the first running back. I think you're going to see that more often than not. in drafts. I think maybe

any running back can get hurt, but now you're going to see people go like, oh, you know what? McCaffrey's just that damn good. This first round, man. Oh, my. Two running backs in the first round. And so he had 10-team draft. So it goes, Maccalfrey, then Jefferson, then Cooper Cup at the 1-4 to Bob Harris.

People are going to forget about Cooper Cup, and they should not. Cooper Cup is still elite, still unbelievable. Last year, before his injury, he was averaging a league best 22.4 points per game in a PPR. So to me,

if you're getting him fully healthy with Matthew Stafford back at the 1-4, that's a steal. Yeah, no discount there, but still, you know, I'm fine with that. And Travis Kelsey.

Travis Kelsey to Jeff Manns at the 1-5. You know, I think it depends on the leagues you're in, how aggressive guys want to be, and say, I want to get Travis Kelsey, I want to get that difference maker, because I think once you get Anywhere past this one five, Travis Kelsey's in play.

And that's what we're going to see in all the best ball draft score for. And this isn't even tight end premium. Yeah. So do you think one five, is that too early or is that where the conversation should begin? He outscored the number two tight end, we already mentioned was Hawkinson by over 100 points. Mm-hmm. I mean, a good tight end, a good tight end for fantasy averages 12 fantasy points per game, okay? Travis Kelsey outscored the number two tight end by eight good games.

There were, by the way, there were four tight ends who averaged 12 or more fantasy points per game this year. Kelsey, Kiddell, Hawkinson, and Mark Andrews. Dallas Goddard averaged 11.9. So if you even want to throw him in there, Travis Kelsey outscored the number two guy by eight of those. It's insane. I drafted Travis Kelsey in the King's Classic last year, which was a 14-team draft. So mind you, this is a draft where there's a lot of really smart guys. I drafted Travis Kelsey, eighth overall, and rode him all the way to the finals.

People are like, why are you taking Travis Kelsey? He's really like, I need a differentiator. I need somebody who's going to separate me from the pack. And I had to bank on a monster season. and you can pair Kelsey and Mahomes, especially in bestball. You've got to be cognizant of it. But you know, maybe third round. If they falls to the fourth, who knows you might be pressing a little bit.

But if you want to make that combo happen for best ball, you can absolutely do it. Yeah. And you get to be proactive. And the other, the thing is also if you draft Kelsey and Mahomes, I think this is probably going to be the case. I want to see what happens with the chiefs. I talked about this with Roth's Tucker this week. I think throughout the offseason, depending on.

on what happens with Kansas City this off season. I think Cadarius Tony is going to become a very popular player over the course of the off season. But you can still group the rest of the Chiefs and do a full Chiefs stack relatively cheaply. So I think that's certainly a possibility with Kelsey. At the one six was Tyreek Hill. So I believe two was going to come back and be healthy.

We don't know if two is going to play a full season. I don't know if Miami knows what they're doing at quarterback to be. be honest, but Tyreek did finish as wide receiver two, average just a hair over 20 points per game, just a phenomenal season for Tyreek, even with the, you know, flux at quarterback. Is that the right spot for him or you would have gone Austin Echler there? That's totally fair, but getting the guy who was the

number one running back in fantasy at six or seven is pretty awesome and shows you where the running back position is right now. But now, that's a totally fair spot for Tyree, Hill, especially in best ball. Echler goes at the 17. We still haven't gotten to me yet. In front of me, my good friend, Jim Coventry, who is a tremendous fantasy analyst, gets Devante Adams. I'll be

honest, Devante Adams is who I had lined up in the queue at 1-9. And when he went off the board, now I'm on the clock, Joe. So I'm thinking, all right, well, I got my pick of pretty much between Diggs, Lamb, Brown, any of the running backs,

Jonathan Taylor, Derek Henry. I chose Stefan Diggs. said, you know what, maybe I can come back and get Josh Allen in the second or third round. So I took Stefan Diggs, who still at the end of the day is a high performing wide receiver. It was a little, you know, we could say it's a down year for Stefan Diggs. Still was wide receiver four, average nearly 19 points a game. At the turn, Lamb, A.J. Brown. And then it came back to me.

And I had my pick of any running back, basically, except Echlor and McCaffrey. I went with Seekwon Barkley here. Why? Because Sequan Barclay is still a premium talent in fantasy football. And you know, you got to get a running back at some point. I know some guys like to start these drafts, Joe, let me get 4,000 wide receivers to start. Like Stakeball Barclay can have like weak winning games. And if this giant team progresses as we think they will, why wouldn't I want to get a top five running back? And I got him here at the start of the second round.

I probably would have opted for Jonathan Taylor, who went two picks later. to Alan Soslowski. Why did you not make that move? You know what? Looking at the two of them, I love Barclay in the past game. I like the ascension of the Giants. I like that he's,

maybe he's not back. Who knows? Maybe he goes somewhere else. And with Jonathan Taylor, I'm just not really sure with this team with what's likely going to be a rookie quarterback. Maybe they lean on him a little bit. But you know what?

Maybe they don't sustain as many drives. Maybe they don't get as many opportunities for him to punch it into the end zone, whereas I think Seekwan's going to have more chances to get more touchdowns. Yeah, Sequant resigns with the Giants. At least you have an idea who the quarterbacks. I think Daniel Jones is going to go back there. We don't know who the Colts are going to be.

I think the Colts are our guy, Brett Whitefield, by the way, and listen to the Take Talk podcast and look at his mock draft that he put on the website. He has the Colts trading up to number one and taking Bryce Young. And I think, I think Jim Ursa is going to be fully behind that move. So it's good. It's interesting to do a draft right now when you don't really know what these scenarios are going to be. I think Barclay is a completely defensible pick.

I probably would have opted for Taylor. But, yeah, Barclay here, you start digs in Barclay. You took the third running back. When is the last fantasy football draft where the third running back came off the board in the second round? This is insane to me. And I think it's fair. Yeah, the second round, though, was loaded with running backs. This is where everybody tried to get on that RB train.

So I took Barclay and then off the board. in order. Derek Henry, Jonathan Taylor, Kenneth Walker, Nick Chubb. You wait a couple of picks. There goes Joe Mixing. So we have, you know, six running backs out of the 10 picks in round two. Any of those running backs really jump out to you? Oh, yeah. What's that? Joe Mixing. That Joe Mixing. That's Joe Mixing at the end of two. I mean, look, they bet. Bench is cold and the wolf man. They started three straight running backs. Yeah, that mix and pick stinks. First and foremost, he could get cut this offseason. They could save a lot of money.

We know we recently got into some off-field trouble. Chargers dropped or whatever, but, you know, more incentive for the Bengals to cut him. At the end of the year, they were consistently playing Samajai P. Ryan over him in calorie-rich situations. Mixed it in the second round when, I mean, Travis E.T.N. still there. Najee Harris, who, Najee Harris is interesting to me. He was a third round pick. here to Jeff Erickson. He's interesting to me because in the first half of the year,

he was terrible in the second half of the year, I thought he was excellent. I have no love for Nachie Harris. It's an very unsexy pick, but it's like what we talked with Hansen about in the last pot. He's going to be one of those guys. People are going to look at me like, I'm not excited to draft Najee Harris at all.

But you know what they're going to do, man. They brought Canada back. They're going to give Najee Harris the ball 25 times a game. It doesn't matter if he averages 3.8, for carry, that's what they're going to do. I would have liked basically any running back here that went after Joe Mixen, including one that they took, by the way, Colton and the Wolfman, they took Dalvin Cook in the third round.

Look, I understand he just had shoulder surgery, but I still prefer him to Joe Mixon at this point. Let me tell you a pick that is not going to be there when draft after the NFL draft comes. and by the way, you can't get him at this spot on Underdog right now. There's a little plug for you, Drake, there. I know you've been more to say about that. B. John Robinson in the third round is not going to happen.

It's just not going to happen. Jeff Mans took him at 3.5. Not going to happen. I think depending on landing spot, I mean, I think you're already seeing him go in the first round on underdog. Depending on landing spot, he could be third running back off the board this year, especially if he's a first round pick. If he gets drafted by one of those teams at the end of the draft that can talk themselves into,

ooh, we're running back away, although none of that, that very rarely works out. That's a very intriguing pick. And I think it's interesting that Jeff paired him with Nick Chubb in the second round. Because talk about an, for a guy who is as awesome as Nick Chub is, talk about an unsexy fantasy pick because he does nothing in the passing game, but Kareem Hunts a freed. And they're not going to bring Kreme Hunt.

hunt back on the thing. Yeah, and they've got reinforcement to Heinem with Deerness Johnson and they just drafted a kid last year. His name escapes me now, but they just drafted a kid last year who's going to slider in that. Yes, Jerome Ford. I know he's sitting on a practice squad and one of my dynasty teams. So, yeah, they're not going to bring hunt back. It'll be interesting to see where he lands. I think he'd be a nice fit.

I know, we're very eagle-centric here, but it'd be a nice guy to maybe bring along and pair with Kenny Gainwell. who I was curious to see where he went in the draft. But so we're starting round three, five straight running backs, ETN, Cook, Naji Harris. And this surprised me a little bit, Joe. Josh Jacobs at the three four, he was RB3 last year in fantasy, nearly 20 points per game. And you're taking Najee Harris in front of him,

Travis E.T. in front of him, mix in the front of him. That surprised me. He fell all the way to Bob at. three four the question I have with Jacobs is does he get a Levion Bell

style payday where he's like I'm just going to the highest bidder and I don't give a crap at the team stinks and then he ends up really not in a good spot I am fascinated with where he goes and the question is was he a contract year phenomenon

because the Raiders very clearly got this year what they drafted him to be. It just took three years for that to happen. So that is a fascinating pick. I understand why he went where he did. I also understand why Bob Harris took him where he did. I would have taken Bejan Rob. And as we roll through the second half of the third round, Keenan Allen, DeVontes Smith from the Eagles come off the board.

Smith was a guy I was really kind of highlighting because, man, did he have a phenomenal year, Joe? Just nobody in fantasy was thinking, okay, yeah, Devonate Smith is going to end the year as a top 10 PPR wide receiver. And that's exactly what he did. Devonza Smith finished folks ahead of Amari Cooper, Jamar Chase, who we know got hurt. Christian Kirk, Lockett, McLaurin, Metcalf, Evans, Higgins, Godwin. This is a great season. And he's the number two target on that team.

Yeah, but they're one of what I like it to call a narrow fantasy team. Mm-hmm. they throw the ball to their good players. It's amazing how many teams haven't figured this out. Like, you know, teams that don't have a Mahomes, that quarterback or whatever, just throw it to your good players. Like, I mean, of course,

the Eagles found out the hard way. Cuez Wachin drops a perfect throw by Jalen Hertz in the Super Bowl, but, uh, you know, the Eagles, for the most part, they threw the ball to Smith, to Brown, and to Goddard. That's a good way to score points in the NFL. Um,

and then, And Bruce Hall comes off the board. Probably a good spot for him. And Bruce Hall is one of those guys, you know, he's, he's got that injury. We're not exactly sure how ready he's going to be for the start of camp, for the start of the season. But when on the field, he could be electric. Well, we know he is electric.

And it all depends. Who's that quarterback? What if it's Aaron Rogers? Well, it could be Jimmy Garapolo, could be Derek Carr. So the offense as a whole is just going to get upgraded. And imagine if they do get Aaron Rogers, Joe. And now you really got to defend these wide receivers because they could throw it a little place.

Boy, the middle of the field could just open up. And he could be what we always hoped Aaron Jones was without A.J. Dillon siphoning carries. Yeah. And well, there's Michael Carter there as well. Yeah, but that's the other Hansen talked about that too in the lessons learned. Like, you know, like what?

Oh, Michael Carter, he's going to come in. And, you know, he's still the starter. and everybody buys that shit and then it suppresses the value of Breece Hall on draft day. All right, Drake, I want to let's get to this little corner here. Yeah, so we're, to me, again, I have Diggs and Barclay, and now I'm up here at the 3-9, and I'm going to fully admit here, I made a mistake where I took Mark Andrews in this slot, just because I figured, you know what, maybe I can get cute and I can get Josh Allen

coming around because I thought Jordan Flegelman of Fantasy Life was drafting right behind me. I know Jordan, nice guy. And I go, well, he's got A.J. Brown. He's going to want J.L.N. Hertz. Right? Where I could take Andrews and then get Allen back here in the fourth round. Well, I take Andrews.

He takes Josh Allen at the 310. Well, he made a mistake, too. And then he took Jalen Waddle. So left me with Jail. I took Jalen Hertz. So you made a mistake and so did he. Because he should have, he has AJ Brown, he should have taken, he should have taken hurts. That's what I thought.

Yeah. So, and this really ended up kind of backfiring you because let me tell you what I see here. And I'm not going to say there aren't good wide receivers left. And as a matter of fact, there's one who went at the end of the fourth round, who I think probably should have gone a little bit higher. I think after Jalen Waddle, there's a little bit of a drop off at wide receiver here. to the next. The next guy taken is Amari Cooper. I don't love that pick.

Nobody ever likes taking Amari Cooper. So maybe I should learn one of Hanson's lessons and say, hey, boring's not the worst thing. But there seemed to be like a little bit of a mini tear drop at wide receiver after Waddle comes off the board. And I wonder if you would have been better served, Drake, taking Josh Allen and maybe hoping coming. coming back around that Jalen Waddle's there, as opposed to taking Mark Andrews,

who we know had a very disappointing season last year. Let's see if Todd Monkin can open that up for him. But I understand what you were trying to do, though, because you said earlier in the King's Classic, you wanted to differentiate yourself a little bit. Well, in a 10-teen league, one of the few places you could really differentiate yourself is at the tight end position. So you wanted to hammer that elite tight net. Yeah.

And I thought, trust me, Waddle was in my Q too. So I wanted him also. And what I did here, I said, you know what? If I can't get Allen out and I can't get Waddle, Jalen Hertz is a player. You don't have to stack Jalen Hertz. Obviously, as we saw this in the Super Bowl, he can score three or four touchdowns on his own. So I said, everybody gets too cute with these best ball drafts. And they go, I got to stack this guy with this guy and correlate this.

No, you don't. Half your team is going to be dead by week 15. Stefan Diggs, Sequin Barkley, Mark Andrews, Jalen Hertz. I got four guys in my first four pick who could legitimately be the number one scoring player in fantasy at those positions. So I said, let me just get really good players. And then we'll kind of just shake it out and see what happens. So that was my mindset at once Alan and Waddle went off the board. Yeah.

So by the way, hi, golf boy. Good to see you in the chat. So I want to skip forward a little bit here into this round. And I want to go to who I think, I think Howard. Bender's had a pretty strong draft to this point. I think Garrett Wilson at 410 is going to look silly by the end of the off season. I had Garrett Wilson queued up for my next pick. I wanted him badly.

I wanted him so bad. I'm like, damn it. Everybody started flying off the board here at that far end. I'm like, oh, my cue is just blown to pieces. Yeah, I think that Garrett Wilson, 410, if they go get Rogers, if they go get car, you know, that's going to just look silly by the end of the off season. think he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like, for instance, I think by the end of the off season, you might look at this and say,

if Howard Bender, who picked first overall, by the way, so he's picking 210 and 410, if he picked Garrett Wilson in the end of the second round and Debo Samuel falls to the fourth round, I don't know if that's going to be something that's going to be too outrageous by the end of the off season. Based on how Debo's season went and we don't know what the quarterback situation is going to be, but I don't think Garrett Wilson is going to be lasting 40 picks into many drafts this off. See, that's my personal opinion because we know the Jets are going out and they're going to aggressively pursue a quarterback. And if this is getting your guys juices flowing to do some drafting and you say,

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There's Garrett Wilson, as we talked about. And that was the end of round four, starting round five. Here's where it gets interesting. Because like we talked about before, people love drafting all these wide receivers. But eventually,

you got to get a running back. Isaiah Pacheco comes off the board at 5-1 to Howard. Bender to start the fifth round. I mean, is Isaiah Pacheco? I know he was a rookie this year. He's a nice story. But do you really think in the grand scheme of things over a course of a long

season, he's going to be that relevant? I mean, because he's not much in the past game. I got a feeling they're going to add somebody else. We saw McKinnon points was the number one player in fantasy. Like, I don't know. I don't like Pacheco at that spot. McKinnon is a free agent, by the way. So they're going to be adding pieces.

They could cut Edwards allaire. Ronald Jones is a free agent, not that he matters. Yeah, could they re-sign McKinning? Could they bring somebody else in? I think so, but I told Ross Tucker actually this week, he asked, where's Pacheco going? And I said, and off the top of my head, I hadn't seen this board, and I'll fully admit,

I haven't done a draft yet. That's just my personal thing. I love Underdog. I'm going to hop into some soon, but I'm mostly a post-NFL draft kind of drafter, at the very least post-free agency. which is a month away. I thought fifth round.

That was the first thing that popped into my head. Turns out maybe my first instinct was right. Touchdown dependent guy who ran really hard. They trusted him at the goal line. I see why that he's appealing here. Although there are a couple running backs who went after him in this round, who I would have taken over, Isaiah Pacheca. And those running backs are Aaron Jones, Ramandre Stevenson,

and Tony Pollard, who again, is injured right now. Especially Pollard, but yes, the injury is a concern, which is why I think he fell to the fifth round in this draft. Justin Herbert and Justin Fields are the quarterbacks coming off the board. Fields actually coming off before Herbert to Jeff Erickson at the 5-3. That's surprising. To me, that's a little early for Justin Fields. I know they got all the money in the world.

They can go get a free agent wide receiver and maybe draft, you know, 11D billion of them because they have none right now. Free agent class is atrocious. It is so bad. Yeah, just go load up. There's tons of studs out there. You don't want Sammy Watkins? Jacoby Myers is the best wide receiver on the open market.

I mean, nothing against Jacobi Myers, but he's the best wide receiver on the open market, you know, it's not a very good market. It came to me in round five at the five nine. I took Terry McLaurin here. Now,

we aren't exactly sure who the quarterback's going to be, But in the fifth round, I just got the 14th best wide receiver, according to, you know, total points last year. Average 13 and a half a game. Terry McLuhan is just a good football player. You know, week to week, maybe he's a little spotty. But overall, I mean, he's an alpha. They paid him. He's the foundation outside piece of that offense.

I was happy with that in a fifth round. Yeah, it's a good pick. And now it seems right now they're saying Sam Howells the guy. Now, who knows? What if Lamar Jackson becomes available, you know, like. Right. now it also seems like they're setting ron Rivera up to be a lame duck while the

the Daniel Snyder situation resolves itself or begins to resolve itself but whatever the case I think Sam Howell's going to lock on to Terry McLaren that's that's a good pick and they could always go to HB Heineke Hospital Ball Heinecke as Hansen calls him I call him H because he sounds like an oil tycoon you know HB Heineke so uh they can always go to him

and we know he loves McClarn so Yeah, that's a good pick. After a little funky here, we had Kittle and Pitts go off the board to Jordan at 510 and 6-1. So he snagged two potential high-end guys right there. He just wanted to get his piece to the pie. He still doesn't have a running back at this point. Yeah, neither one of them should have been drafted before Dallas got her, by the way. And it came back to me at the 6-2.

I don't love this pick at all looking at the wide receivers here. but I took Mike Evans. Again, we don't know who the quarterback's going to be. Mike Evans, you know, slowing down a little bit. He did have the monster week in the fantasy championship game. You guys all remember that. Looking back, if I could redo this pick, maybe James Connor is that guy.

Maybe Tyler Lockett is that guy. But in the heat of the moment, maybe I, because I haven't done enough drafts, I saw the name and I go, oh, Mike Evans is still here and I picked him. What if I were to tell you, you might have just drafted the top two bills wide receivers. Oh, oh, go on. What incentive did the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have to keep Mike Evans? I mean, especially who's their quarterback? What are they doing?

Right. So my question is, like, Mike Evans can still get you a high-end asset in the NFL draft right now. Because he hasn't had a bad season. but you know this is what that we're about to enter his um his 29 right now it's going to be his 10th season in the league um you know I think they can make a move for him and I think Buffalo would be a team that would be incredibly interested in the services of Mike Evans this off season I really do um there's a couple of guys who went and I know we're not going to go through every pick here but I'm a little surprised at how late Christian Kirk got drafted after his year he had,

especially in a wide receiver mad room. This actually kind of resembles underdog, even though this wasn't on underdog. It resembles underdog drafts are wide receiver crazy. And this room kind of reminds me of that. This was a wide receiver crazy kind of room. I'm a little surprised where some of these guys like a Christian Watson going in the seventh or I guess the Rogers situation has something to do with that.

But there are some talented receivers who fell a little bit farther than thought they were going to. Yeah, in the seventh round, we had Ridley come off the board. He's applied for reinstatement. Again, folks, if you haven't been thinking, he's a Jaguar now. Hey, I totally forgot about him, like, for most of the season. And then I saw him tweeting about the Jaguars playoff game. And I was like, oh, yeah, Calvin Ridley, he's a Jaguar. That's going to, I'm guessing that's why Christian Kirk fell to the seventh round. But, man, you've got Christian Kirk, Calvin Ridley, both going in the seventh round. Trevor Lawrence falls to the eighth. It's kind of, it's kind of appeal.

isn't it? Yeah. I mean, the ability to stack Jaguars this year, you're going to see so many folks in the big tournaments over on Underdog. Again, use fantasy PTSD PTSD as your code. You're going to see so many people trying to do big time Jaguar stacks because it's so affordable. And that's why people love doing it. And drafting this early folks, the reason that we're pushing this and getting this content out is because there can be edges to be had because you can be ahead of the game on rookies. You can be ahead of. of the game on possible free agents and just draft days, you know, kind of sleepers. Remember last year at this time, Sequin Barclay was going in the third round. Yeah, he was. I mean, look, and Mike Evans, you get him in the sixth round. What if he gets traded to Buffalo? Where does he get drafted? You know, Gabe Davis was a third, fourth round pick last year as completely impressed.

I was a Gabe Davis guy. We actually got comments on the, on the YouTube, though. Why don't you talk to Hanson about Gabe Davis? I guess we all just blocked it out of our minds. We will contend, based on speaking of Gabe Davis, who by the way, was a ninth round pick in this draft. Based on conversations with Kaplan, Gabe, that high ankle sprain really hurt him.

But it's an L. We got to get Mr. C on the show one of these days. We got to get Kaplan on. But it was, but if Mike Evans gets traded, he's at least the third round pick, right? For Buffalo. Now, that being said, if he does get traded to Buffalo as a third round pick, you could forget me drafting him because I'll view that as a

holio to the Titans kind of situation. Probably a better version of that. But that's kind of where I would view it. But anyway, that was a bit of an aside. But you're right, getting ahead of these some names of guys who might get traded this offseason, a guy who could get a quarterback upgrade. You know, you can get some serious values here in these early drafts. round seven and eight these are all guys who for the most part are looking to break out and have something to prove or there's a red flag there for some reason Calvin Ridley coming off suspension Christian Watson new quarterback and he was a rookie last year Drake London they you know they don't know what the forward passes in Atlanta Jameson Williams we didn't

see anything from him his rookie year even in the next round Cadarious Tony Rashad abatement. So you can see some of the red flags. I took Elvin Kamara at 7-9 overall. This was before this news broke of his legal situation, which today said he was indicted for this bar fight. So, you know, again, I'm looking at the board at the end of the seventh round and Elvin Kamara is on there. And I only had one running back and I go, you know what? You can do a lot worse. Let me take Alvin Kamakers. Cows off the board next. And there was tons of talk in the draft room about this, that Caml Acres fell so low to the end of the seventh round, because at the end of the season, Joe, I mean, he was killing. He was a top five fantasy back. Yeah, he, he was awesome at the

end of the season. That's a really good pick. Even if they bounced back, they had a nightmare season. If they bounced back to be fringe playoff contender, that Cam Acres pick is going to look like a steal at 7.10. In the eighth round, I took J.K. Dobbins. Now, I'm just trying to get all starting running backs here. Because again, what are they going to do in Baltimore? They're going to run the football. I don't care who the O.C. is. They're going to run the football.

And another year removed from the injury, J.K. Dobbins is a guy who could run for 1,000 yards and 10 touchdowns. Other guys who stick out in the eighth round, Damien Pierce went the next pick after me. And then there's some guys, you know, James Cook. I'm not high on him. Brian Robinson, put you to sleep. I got no interest in him.

So, you know, yeah. You don't have any interest in Brian Robinson at that point? I mean, here's why I like him for Colton. He ran his dick off this year. He's their fourth running back. So, yeah, the days where, I mean, he's a zero in the past game, an absolute zero. So, I mean, what's your up? Most weeks, what are you going to get from six, eight points if he doesn't score?

Yeah, I guess he's got to score. Hold on. Can you start to use him more in the past a game towards the end of the season? And Steve Stifler once famously said, You don't score until you score. Lamar Jackson, 9-1. And that's, that's, that's, as somebody who has been burned by Lamar,

two seasons in a row, that's still too ridiculous. Now, you're right, Drake, Brian Robinson caught nine passes this year. I thought he, I thought he caught more than that. But yeah, you're right. And if they, and if they're going with Sam Hal,

they're probably not going to be very good offensively. Yeah. I like some of the players coming off the board. here in the ninth round. Traylon Burks, George Pickens, and then my selection here at 9-9. At this point now, Joe,

I'm trying to jump ahead of the curve here. And I go and I get Jackson, Smith and Jigba, the rookie out of Ohio State. Again, we don't know where he's going to go. And then I took Jordan Addison out of Pittsburgh, the Bolitnikoff winner.

Yeah. So now USC. Oh, U.S. Sorry, yes. Transfer. And so I took those two guys knowing full well, I don't know where they're going to land. But by the time this season starts and we do know where they go, let's say Smith and Jigba gets drafted by the chiefs, which very good chance.

Addison goes to the Giants. These guys are immediately starting on these teams, most likely, if they're first round picks. And I just got him in the ninth and tenth round. My buddy was looking at this draft board and he said, you can't get Smith and Jigba in the fifth round on underdog. He's going so high. You got him at 9-9. It's a steal.

So sometimes taking a shot on these rookies can really help you out because there's so many folks that don't know anything about these guys. And we might be able at fantasy points, Joe, to help people with that. So I think that's, I think you did good trying to take advantage of the uncertainty. You know, if you do these drafts, you are going to, and you draft a lot of rookies, you're going to get burned by somebody who has just bad. draft capital and lands in an awful spot. But you also have to look at the flip side.

Right. What if Jordan Addison lands with the Giants who their fans were excited about Isaiah Hodgins being retained on exclusive rights free agent deal today? He literally couldn't go anywhere else. As long as they get offered him a contract, he couldn't. That's the exclusive rights free agent rule. If he ends up with the Giants, man, that's 120 targets he could be falling into. right away and you got them in the 10th round.

I mean, how many guys in front of, by the way, Juju Smith-Schuster in the 10th round? What a terrible thing. Yeah, I like Jahan Dotson there was nice. Miles Sanders. Oh, Jehan Dodson going after Juju Smith-Schuster is insane. I don't care who the commander's quarterback is going to be. So a couple interesting players are back-to-back in the 10th.

Miles Sanders, Kareem Hunt. Both could very well be on different teams this year. They could flip-flot teams for all we know. Who knows? but so what do you think of taking guys like that like with Sanders and a hunt who you know they're you know their pedigree but you know they're all at this point they're pretty replaceable and they're going to be somewhere else you would think they're going to get I think Sanders probably gets more money than Hunt in the open market maybe Sanders doesn't

get what he's looking for in the open market and comes back to Philadelphia and the chance of that happening I don't think it's a I don't think Sanders is back in Philly. I don't either. But let's just say he's like, man, I did not get the three-year offer I was looking for. And Howie Roseman says to Miles, we'll give you one year, we'll give you $9 million. That's way more than you're going to get. And he's like, all right, let's come back, let's roll it back and try to win a championship. Man, you just got Miles Sanders in the 10th round.

And he falls, where does Miles Sanders go in this draft if you guarantee this room that Miles Sanders is in an Eagles uniform. Oh, yeah. I mean, then he goes in the, uh, he probably goes in that fifth round. Right. Where Joan Stevenson Pollard is. And I think, and I think that's where he would go. Even though he was a top 12 type running back this year, I think he goes there because

people saw that over, you know, the late in the season and in the playoffs, game well out played him. So I think there's a little bit that's going to scare people away there. But I mean, Miles Sanders in the 10th. round on the off chance that he lands with the Eagles or another contending offense, man, that's a, that's a heck of that's a heck of the pick there. We had a ton of quarterbacks come off the board in the end of the 10th through the 11th, starting with Kirkie Cousins, then Deshawn Watson, Stafford, Tua, Gino, all of whom went

before Aaron Rogers, who I'll be fully honest, I was going to take at the end of the 11th round here. Aaron Rogers, who could be in an offense, could be the Jets, could be the Las Vegas Raiders. I mean, I like Aaron, even at this advanced age, Joe, I like Aaron Rogers upside over Stafford, over Watson, over Gino Smith. Yeah, and even if he goes back to Green Bay, you get another year of him. Now, here's the downside. After he does whatever that, whatever that is he's doing, you know, sitting in the dark for a week or whatever. The downside here drafting him in the 11th round is he could retire and then you get nothing. But man, even if he goes back to Green Bay though, and you've got another year with Christian Watson and another year with Dobbs,

maybe they, you know, signed somebody this off season, draft somebody, probably a pretty good value there for Aaron Rogers. Then I took Elijah Moore just because, again, right now I'm drafting on pedigree. I'm drafting on talent. Elijah Moore is a talented player. The Faire Rodgers goes there. And exactly. Aaron Rogers could go there. And then with my, the last pick of mine we'll talk about here in the 12th round.

I took Daniel Jones. So I'm pairing Daniel Jones and Jalen Hertz. Way later on in the draft. I also took Tyler Murray. Nobody wanted to touch him. What am I missing here, Drake? Gino Smith, who, I mean, great story. I love the story of Gino Smith.

He had a great year. He fell off at the end of the year, okay? to a Tonga by Loa, who in theory, might not play. Matthew Stafford, there were retirement rumors. Aaron Rogers could retire this offseason. Why is Daniel Jones getting drafted after these guys? A top 10 fantasy quarterback this year when throwing to nobody. He had 700 rushing yards and seven touchdowns this off season, this past season.

you have to think that Pat, that he's either going to sign with the team that's going to have better receivers than the Giants because everybody has better receivers than the Giants or the Giants more likely are going to bring a quality receiver in there to help him out. Why is he getting drafted after Gino Smith and Aaron Rogers? Daniel Jones, and again, trust me, nobody craps on Daniel Jones more than I do. I don't think he's great, but like the running put you there. The guy had one, two, three. three, four, five, six, seven top 12 weeks since week 10. So this is post giants by. He had two weeks where he was not a top 15 quarterback.

Two week. That's it. I mean, he finished the season. It had huge numbers. And I just got him in the 12th round to pair with Jalen Hertz. So I'll take that all day long over Jared Gough, Gino Smith type guy. I mean, come on. I love it.

And I actually like golf in the 12th round here, by the way, because that team, I think he's going to be their starter, and that team is loaded. But, I mean, Daniel Jones in the 12th, great pick, drink. I'll give you an A plus for that. So, and then way later, sometimes you don't like to take three quarterbacks, but you know what? I don't like to adhere to a lot of these rules of you.

You have to take this many receivers and this many backs and tight ends. Kyler Murray was there in like the 18th round. It was almost the end of the draft. I'm like, what the hell? Kyla Murray's going to come back in the middle of this season, and he's still a talented guy I can run around. So, hey, maybe he helps me win some weeks at the end of the season. God forbid Jalen Hertz or Daniel Jones gets hurt.

You know, now I still have some life here in the playoffs. So overall, uneven performance for me, Joe, looking at the draft, some mistakes, but some lessons learned. And I can take this and I can grow from it. And I hope our listeners do also, and they go over to underdog, use our code fantasy PTSD. Yes, again, we're matching your first time deposit up to $100. And this is how you get ready for your drafts.

You do these best ball drafts. Don't do the mock draft simulators and all that stuff. That's not going to really get you ready. You got to go where people got money on the line. They got incentive to stay in draft, not, you know, start picking kickers in the second round. Totally agree. If I were to grade your draft, I'd give you a solid B. I would have like probably a little bit more juice at running back.

Camara, that situation's bad. I mean, that's why he fell that far, even though he just got indicted today. He fell that far because of the looming suspension didn't have a great year. I'm still a little bit concerned, even though I like Dobbins as your eighth round pick, I'm still a little bit concerned about that hitch

he had in his giddy-up, even though he produced. But I think you made up for it getting some serious juice at the quarterback position, serious juice at the wide receiver position with some of that, with those three straight young guys you took. Overall, solid work, Drake. I'll give you a hand for that. Thank you.

And I also took Sean Tucker out of Syracuse later in this drafts, who could be a starting running back or at least getting meaningful touches somewhere. So that's the draft. Again, if you want to see the board, it's on our YouTube channel. There's a link to it in the show notes, either on wherever you're listening on a podcast or on YouTube. So we're going to do a bunch of these throughout the year. Joe and I'll mix it up.

We'll have some fun. do a ton of drafts and, you know, just get ready for the 20-23 season. We're here, folks. Super Bowl is in the past. We're never going to speak of that Super Bowl again. We're just on to 2023. All right. For Joe Dolan, I am Brian Drake.

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