Fantasy Football Daily - What Are The Most Underrated NFL Moves Of The Offseason | Two-Point Stance Podcast

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

The NFL offseason is full of signings are trades that get a majority of the headlines. On this episode of the "Two-Point Stance", we look at some under-the-radar moves that could pay massive dividends for fantasy football. Hosts Brian Drake and Joe Dolan love the signing of Samaje Perine by the Denver Broncos. Another running back with a new home is Jamaal Williams who now calls the New Orleans Saints home. The fellas are split on the outlook for New England Patriots star Rhamondre Stevenson. But, they are in agreement over what to do with Tampa Bay Buccanneers pass catchers Chris Godwin and Mike Evans. The boys also give you their favorite underrated songs. You won't want to miss these tunes that likely will be in your summer playlists. From Underdog Fantasy ADP to real-life football fits, this is a show that can help your team score more FANTASY POINTS! Follow the show on Twitter: https://twitter.com/FantasyPTS https://twitter.com/FG_Dolan https://twitter.com/DrakeFantasy FantasyPoints.com is your home for the best in fantasy football advice and NFL betting analysis. Use our code "FantasyPTS" at UnderdogFantasy and get up to $100 in first-time deposit bonuses. Along with that, you'll have access to a FantasyPoints.com subscription for just $5. #FantasyFootball #NFL #NFLDraft #DFS #FantasyFootballAdvice #NFLDraft --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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from numbers to the film room, with a single goal to help you score more fantasy points. All across the fantasy universe, welcome everybody to the two-point stance. I'm your boy, Brian Drake, on the Twitter machine at Drake Fantasy. hanging as I do every single week with the managing editor of fantasy points.com. It's Mr. Joe Dolan. Joe, we love to talk football. We love to talk NFL draft. Today we're going to talk not only our favorite under the radar moves of the off season,

but we're going to do something that I know is near and dear to your heart. We're going to slide a little music in there, too, man. How you doing? I'm doing well, Drake. Good morning. It is Thursday. It's 420. I don't know if you're somebody who celebrates.

Not right now, at least as we do the show. But good to be with you on this 420. You got something lit back there. Looks like your. Oh, I got him. A little fireplace. I do the show in my basement. And so it gets freezing down here in Syracuse.

It was 80 degrees this past weekend. Now it's back to reality where it's like 45 and the kids still want to wear shorts to school. In terms of like 420, I'd never been into that. I'm a guy. This might be the lamest thing I've ever said in my life. I've never had a cigarette. I've never had a cup of coffee. But I'm also, I'm not a weed guy.

And I'm a fraternity dude. I, like, lived in a frat house. We had guys at this house. I, the post, you know, whatever you want to call. There's no expectations anymore. We had guys selling everything out of this house. I mean, it was dazed and confused at our fraternity house. Give me a break.

But I never partook. It wasn't my thing. I was just like, you know what? Give me a can of bushlight. Wait a minute. You've never had a cup of coffee? No. As if you watch, I have my 16 ounce energy drink for the show here.

No, never had a cup of coffee. I hate the taste. You just had bad coffee then. Anyway, as I take my sip. It's good to be with you here. I wouldn't say coffee is underrated because it's incredibly popular, but this is a show about things that are underrated. and, well, bottoms up.

Yeah, man. So everybody, when you listen to these fantasy podcast guys, you know it. If you're listening to this fantasy points feed, you've heard all the big names. You've heard about the moves of this guy to this team. You've heard that guy. It's nauseating. We get it. How about some of the under the radar moves that are really going to help your fantasy teams in 2023?

We're going to start with some running backs on the move. And I want to start with Samajai P. Ryan, Joe. He leaves Cincinnati, lands with the Denver Broncos, the 28-year-old. He's going to try to steady the ship while Giovante nurses back to health from this knee injury. So maybe a lot of folks out there are the casual fan, that guy in your league who doesn't really pay that much attention. He doesn't understand that Javante may not be ready for week one. So Pyrine could have a bigger than expected role. He's not a great between the tackles runner by any means, right?

Last year, on 95 carries, he didn't even hit 400 yards rushing. But for fantasy, what we love, he's a capable pass catcher. That excites us. 2022, Joe, P. Rang caught a career high, 38 passes, and he scored on four of them. Underdog ADP right now is at 126, which is about round 11. And what also was great, Denver bolstered their offensive line. They brought in some talent to kind of open up some holes for Javante and Samaj. And oh, by the way, there's this guy, Sean Peyton, who's now running the office.

Yeah, and Samajai P. Ryan, to me, just feel. feels like a Sean Payton guy. Sean Payton is as great an offensive mind as he is. And I mean, I think that's pretty unassailable, right? He's frustrating for fantasy purposes. Fullback touchdowns, you know, number three tight end touchdowns. The Taysam Hill BS. All that stuff has driven us nuts from Sean Peyton.

But Samad J. Pryne is one of those boring guys who I think Sean Payton will love. he's a good receiver. He had 38 catches last year, four touchdowns. He played 41% of the offensive snaps, which is a snap share that can be low-end fantasy relevant by itself, but you hit it right on the head. Javante Williams, when that injury happened, Edwin Porris, our injury expert at FantasyPoint.com,

compared that injury to that of J.K. Dobbins. Now, J.K. Dobbins suffered his in August of two years ago. He's still not right. And I don't think he's still 100%. Now, he came back at the end of last season and was producing. He had some long runs. But I think you remember, believe it was against the Steelers where he had that long touchdown run. And it looked like the Greg Jennings Madden video.

Like he was dragging his leg to the end of the end zone. You know, like there was a significant hitch in his giddy up. So presuming. It'll come at you. What's that? Oh, God. Oh, please. We should have spoken code on this podcast about him.

And no, I'm going to give him all credit for, by the way, fighting through that. By all accounts, it was a devastating injury. So I'm going to give them every piece of credit for that. But keep in mind that Jvante Williams suffered his injury about six weeks in comparison and later than J.K. Dobbins did, Drake, I don't think if those injuries are similar, I don't think we can sit here and be certain that Javante Williams is going to play football at all this season.

Javonte Williams right now has an underdog ADP of 79, which is a seventh round pick. Which, you know, if the injury isn't that awful, then maybe that's fine, but we're already getting mixed reports about them. Samaji Pryne at an 11th round pick is going to be on a ton of my teams. Because who's even to say if and when Javante Williams gets back that Sean Payton's going to use him as a 60, 65% of the Snapshare guy? I think that's a heck of an assumption to make. So they brought in Samajai Pryin, they targeted him.

This is a guy who is a boring as crap, but extremely defensible, if not outright attractive pick at his price. Yeah, I'm looking at some of the guys that are going ahead of Samajai P. Ryan just before him, a guy we'll talk about it a little bit later on the show, Damien Harris, Alexander Madison. Again, we have to see what episode is Delvin Cook, Brian Robinson going off the board. And we talked about Brian Ryan's. I want nothing to do with Brian Robinson in any kind of PPR league. And Jamal Williams, who we'll get into here actually next. So Jamal Williams was the NFL leader in rushing touchdowns just a year ago. And he's found a new place to dance.

And it's down in New Orleans. But the Red Sea could be parting for Williams. Alvin Kamara has potential legal issues. And if those come to fruition, a likely suspension looming, there's really nobody else here on the roster to steal carries for him. It wouldn't surprise me if they went out and drafted somebody in the draft next week. He's being drafted on the 9-10 turn on underdog. Now, I don't think I love Williams as much as you do, Joe.

He's a guy who does very well in short-yardage. But in his career, he's always been the backup plan. Last year, had his career year, only managed 62.7 yards per game. But I'll give you this. He can catch the football a little bit, probably better than most people give him credit for. So this offense led by Derek Carr, to me, seems pretty low octane. and I'm wary of his chances to fall 17 times into the end zone again. What are your thoughts on Jamal Williams?

Well, keep in mind, if you look at his receiving numbers from last year, just 12 catches for 73 yards, you're like, oh, this is a, this is a short, this is like Garrett Blunt reincarnate. But keep in mind, his career high catches and is 39, and he never had fewer than 25 heading into last year. So his role essentially completely changed. And we know he's going to be great at the goal line. and I feel like he's now one of those guys where he has the reputation of being a touchdown score.

So I feel like players or coaches are going to use him in that regard. So I think while Taysam Hill is always going to be a threat to steal goal line work, I feel like Jamal Williams is now established as a goal line guy. Drake, I want to ask you a little question here, though. Oh, boy. It doesn't have to do with coffee, does it? No, it doesn't. Thank God.

Jamal Williams had 17 rushing touchdowns this past year. What was his career high before that? Oh, I just had his stats pulled up. I'm not going to cheat. I'm going to say four. That's correct. Yeah. That is,

don't drink coffee in the morning, kids. You won't get answers like that right. That, by the way, I would have completely blown that question. I would have said, oh, that's a guy who scored 10 touchdowns multiple times. You know, like, so like, no, but his career high. As a matter of fact, his career high in receiving touchdowns is five. So before last year, he actually had a season with more receiving touchdowns than rushing touchdowns.

But I think that speaks to the point where you were saying there's some versatility to him. And if Almond Camara is going to get suspended, by the way, Camara averaging 3.9 yards per carry the last two seasons, his first two seasons in the NFL with over 195 carries, I think there's a big role here for Jamal Williams. and he's a potential bell cow if Alvin Kamara is suspended. So I view him very similarly as a Samajai P-Rine type of asset for fantasy. I view them as almost interchangeable. I think there's somebody who you can get them really cheap.

And I think that we're talking underdog now, but I think you can also speak to this for your redraft leagues come August. If these prices don't rise, and Jamal Williams' will, by the way, Javante Williams is, Samajai P. Rines will if we get negative reports on Camara and Javante. But right now, it feels like these guys are boring players who you might get four, five, six, seven usable weeks out of. And you know what? That's fine. If Alvin Camara has suspended six games or suspended, let's just say he suspended four games and he comes back in October and he's looking to set the world on fire, great. But what if Jamal Williams was

averaging 15 to 20 touches per game over the first month of the season, and you're banking a 3-1 record heading into October. That's fine. Thanks for your service, Jamal Williams. I'll work the waiver wire, and I'll find another RB2 I can use. See, that's the way you have to look at these things. When you're drafting a running back, like a Jamal Williams in like the 9th, 11th round, or a Smage-P-Rine, those are guys who, if you get four usable weeks out of them, that's a win.

This isn't like spending your first round pick on Jonathan Taylor. You need Jonathan Taylor to be somebody you get 14, 15, 16 usable weeks out of. At this cost, you get a month's use out of these guys. That's like a big time waiver pickup. This is the type of guy, these boring running backs. And by the way, Jamal Williams was in the boring running back tier last year that ended up being a league winning type of guy. And he's right back in that this year. I love him at his ADP.

He could do more in the passing game. I think there's a lot to like about Jamal Williams at this price. All right. So we're talking about underrated players. We want to mix in some underrated songs, too, things that you and I might have on our playlist that maybe everybody else doesn't have. And just kind of, you know, we want to, as we're still a new podcast here, right, for the fantasy points.

We want you guys to kind of grow with us and learn a little bit about who we are as people. And Joe, you've got a pretty eclectic music taste. I know this from talking to you off air. So hit me with your first under the radar song. So folks, get out of your YouTube, punch these in and see what we're talking about. So what you said to me was underrated. Okay, underrated, fine. Okay, like, and that is a very difficult challenge for me because I listen to bands who you might consider left of the dial.

I'm like, I'm not like, below NPR stations. They're playing on those. Yeah, like, and honestly, I like NPR music. I listen to the, I still, I live in South Carolina, but I still listen to the independent college station from Philadelphia, WXPN, quite a bit. And like, I'm not saying that, like, I'm on the ground, on the ground floor of, like, music, but I like, you know, some bands that, that, you know, like, for instance, I could list you 25 drive by truckers songs because people, you know, they're not a mainstream band. So I would, of course, I would consider them underrated.

So I had to put a restriction on myself. It had to be something that you've likely heard or you've heard of the band. And coming in with underrated songs, maybe, you know, not one of the band's most popular songs. And I was listening a couple of weeks ago to the Batman Forever soundtrack. And let me tell you something. Jesus Christ. That thing slaps, okay? You know, obviously everybody knows Kiss from.

Marrose by Seal. There's a flaming lip song on there. There's an offspring song on there. I know U-2 is a very divisive band. Tom Broly hates you too.

You piss off the grinder. You've done something. Bono's pretentious and whatnot. I happen to think U-2 has some excellent pop chops. I love the Edge's style of guitar playing. You two has a song on the Batman Forever soundtrack called Hold Me Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me, and it's awesome.

Sure. So I think that is an awesome U-2 song that it probably isn't among their more popular songs. You know, it's not where the streets have new name or one or beautiful day or New Year's Day or or, you know, but it is an awesome song. It's got a killer guitar riff, a little kind of an attitudey vocal by Bono. Like that one, Hold Me Threat Me, Kiss Me, Kill me by YouTube. Man. If you guys want a great movie soundtrack, Forrest Gump.

from whatever that was 90, 92, whatever, tremendous. My pick from 1984. We're going back in the way back machine here, folks. How old are you in 1984, Joe? I was not born yet. Oh, boy, we're going way back. This is seven Spanish angels, right? This is a duet with Ray Charles and Willie Nelson, right?

I want you guys to go to YouTube, look this up. This is a beautiful song. This is a perfect day for it for you guys out there, partake. Go light one up, listen to Seven Spanish Angels. Beautiful little melody. They really get rocking on the piano. Super fun. I want you guys to go into the YouTube comments. Leave us some underrated songs that you guys like listening to. And, you know, I got some time on my hands today. I'll go through and listen to your guys' selections. All right, let's keep rolling with the fantasy talk here. The AFC dominoes are AFC East Dominoes. I should say they're falling as

Damien Harris leaves New England for the sunshine and tropical vibes of Orchard Park, New York. So two-prong take here. Number one, I dig Harris. It's kind of a big back for Buffalo. I think it's something they needed. He's not anyone, though, that I'm going to be targeting the drafts because we know Josh Allen.

He's realistically their goal line back. And James Cook could take a shot ahead, but maybe better for reality than fantasy play. The reason I bring this up because Damien Harris is gone. And now I love, love, Romandre Stevenson and New England. Yes, Joe, this team is a mess. Yes, they have the goal. of James Robinson. But Ramandre is legit good. And he's the only guy at the moment who's a real threat on their offense to do anything with his touches. He's only in his third year as a pro.

This kid's in his prime, a thousand yards last year on a team led by Matt freaking Patricia. Now he gets Bill O'Brien. He had 69. Nice. Receptions last year. ADP of 34, that's late round three. Sign me up. Give me all the remandre this year. What's Remandre's ADP right now? 69. No, that was his passing. That was his reception's total, right? 8.34 and around three.

Okay. Here is what scares me about him, and Ramondre was definitely one of our fantasy points calls that we got right. Lester. Shout out Andrew Callahan, by the way. Hey, my boy of the Boston Herald who put me on to that one. The thing that concerns me is something we might talk to Tom Broly about. By the way, we're going to have, speaking of Broly,

we're going to have the grinder on our Tuesday program, to borrow from Nick Saban. We're going to be talking NFL draft props. So that'll be a fun show to get done next week. He scared me. Tom did. Uh-oh. Because he is looking into the prop of Team to Draft Bejohn Robinson. Don't do it, Tom.

The New England Patriots. Oh, boy. And here is why I would hate that for multiple reasons. Number one, your point with Ramandre Stevenson. Number two, I would hate it for Bejohn because Ramandre is good. So you plot Bejon in Foxborough and that would just scare the bejeses out of me. Bejohn's currently on Underdog back end of the first, early second. We've talked potential landing spots.

For instance, look, we know my sort of. circumstances, what will happen. Jumping off the roof. I am getting drunk and jumping off my roof. If the Eagles draft Bijon Robinson with the top 10 pick. But if Bejohn Robinson were to go to the Philadelphia Eagles, he's a top three pick in all the fantasy. And there's going to be pieces written that he should be the one one.

So keep that in mind. If he goes to the Chargers and the Chargers trade Austin Eckler, he's going to be a top five pick for fantasy. If he goes to the Bengals and the Bengals cut Joe Mixing, which seems increasingly likely, then he's a top five pick for fantasy. If he goes to New England on a bad team or a mediocre team where he has a good young running back alongside of him, I think that's going to tank the value of two potential great fantasy assets. And yeah, if the Patriots don't draft Bejohn Robinson or don't draft like Jamir Gibbs or somebody like that,

which is always, always, always a possibility with them, then I love Remandre Stevenson this year. I'm just scared of Bill Belichick as we sit here. a week before the NFL draft. Is there a team that has been worse in the NFL draft, called the last 10 years, than the New England Patriots? Well, I mean, they're terrible. I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm an expert on, you know, a team's drafting and developing of offensive linemen or, you know, defense.

But in terms of skill positions, I will say the Patriots do pretty well at the running back position in the draft. I mean, they drafted, what, two, three guys last year. So those kids are still sitting on the team. Yeah, Pierre Strong and Kevin Harris were on that team. Kevin Harris got some run late in the year, so it is strong. So, but, you know, they drafted and essentially redshirted Damian Harris. Years ago, they drafted and redshirted like Shane Verene, you know, like they draft and let these guys kind of simmer. James White was the same way. You know, they drafted and redshirted him.

They're always a threat to draft a running back early. They've done it multiple years in a row. You know, remember they drafted Stephen Ridley. I think Ridley and Vereen came in in the same draft class. Or it was either Ridley and Verene or Ridley and White came in in the same draft class. So they're always a threat to draft running backs. And that's what's scaring me about Ramandre right now. If it, if they don't add a running back and they just go as is,

you're comfortable taking him at the end of the third round? I'd be comfortable taking him in the second round. Let's go! Let's go! So what about Damien, so Damien Harris in Buffalo? I don't know. This one's interesting too, because he's got an opportunity to, he's a good running back, by the way. He is. He is.

He is. He is. As I said, better NFL move than fantasy. Because most weeks, he's going to run for 45 yards. And if he doesn't score, he gives you nothing. I think he's just somebody who coaches like you though they like his physicality,

they like his style. You know, Devin Singletary ran hard, but he's undersized. And I think they wanted somebody bigger. I wonder what this does to James Cook. James Cook was a second round pick, remember?

Yeah. You use a second round pick on a running back. There is expectations there. It's essentially like using, if you use a second round pick on a running back, it's like using a high first round pick on a wide receiver. Like that guy should be a contributor and a big time contributor. So I wonder if they're going to increase the usage of James Cook this year as well.

Just because it's 420 and people are going to be high in making crazy statements, what do you think of this? Derek Henry is potentially on the move. I would love to see defensive coordinators have to set up and try to stop an offense where Josh Allen, Derek Henry are in the backfield. And now you've got, you know, what are you playing? Single high safety. And now you've got digs running around out here.

It would be so incredibly fun to watch. Defenses try to scheme up things against the Buffalo bills. Probably won't happen. But again, 420. If you hear this, you go, Drake's high. Sure, go with it. Well, we do know that they were in the market for Christian McCaffrey. So they were looking for somebody to improve their run game.

Could happen during the NFL draft. And I mean, I don't want to go off topic. on the podcast, but Tennessee is just one of those teams. I don't know what they're doing. And we might need to wait until Thursday, next Thursday, to really find out what they're doing. Are they going to make another run for it with Tannahill and Henry? Are they going to draft a quarterback and maybe move to Anahill and Henry?

I really don't know what's up with that team. Yeah, they're just having too much fun hanging with all of the that's the red parties coming to Nashville. I think they're a potential Trey Lance spot too. Oh, I like that. Where you could stick with Tanna Hill. Trey Lance is 22, by the way. I know.

It's so. They gave up three first round picks to get him, and now all of a sudden it's, you know, we're looking to get rid of him. But nobody's going to give you anything. What are you going to get, three for him? Maybe. Did you see the package Sam Darnold went for?

And we knew Sam Darnold stunk. That's a good point. People can really talk themselves into court. We don't know Trey Lans. stinks. Now, the 49ers might have an idea, but we, us peons don't. He's played like four games. So, and anyway, I know that I don't want to go off topic, but like, and now the 49ers

and the 49ers are 100% putting out into the marketplace. We're fielding calls for Trey Lance, not like, you know, it's just, it's a turn of phrase. They don't want to say, hey, please call us. They put out there, oh, the 40-enders are fielding calls. Yeah, they're dying for someone to come get this guy because they got Purdy. They got Darnold and they want to recoup a little something. Give me another song here, Joe, a little, what are we saying, underrated song from the Joe Dolan playlist. Okay, so another criteria I had was a song that you've definitely heard that you might consider an annoying song.

and I think the term one-hit wonder is used derisively, but oftentimes one-hit wonders are hits for a reason. Okay. And I'm not talking like the macarena, which is obnoxious, or Cotton-Ejo, which is obnoxious. I'm talking about a legitimately good song that you might consider annoying until you actually listen to it and realize that it's pop perfection. Tell me it's Barbie girl.

Oh, God, no. It is from a similar era, though. The album came out in 1998. The album is called Maybe You've Been Brainwashed, too. It is by the new radicals. And the song is, you get what you give. Oh, God, I remember that. Now, people remember, oh, that song?

Well, it's actually a pretty kind of cynical, or sarcastic lyric. The instrumentation is perfect. It's a phenomenal song, and that record is top to bottom with just pop masterpieces on it. It's not, you get what you give is not the best song on the album. The best song on the album is actually the opening track. It's called Mother We Just Can't Get Enough, which is just an absolutely soaring masterpiece. They released one album.

You might remember the lead singer is the guy with the bucket hat. very was not happy with stardom. They released one album. He broke up the band and he went and he started writing songs behind the scenes. And they have one album. It has songs from front to back that are incredible pop songs, including you get what you give. The last song in the album is a song crying like a church on Sunday, which is great. It's one of those records that like, I think you should give a shot to if you like really good pop music, if you like 90s alternative rock.

But yes, I think that song is a phenomenal. You look at some of the one-hit wonders from the 90s, and some of the songs are really, really good. Closing time. I was going to say closing time by Semi-Sonic, but I don't think anybody considers that underrated. Flagpole Sita by Harvey Danger is a phenomenal rock song. But that one, I think, is one where they might have the annoying one-hit wonder label to them,

and I don't think it's deserved. I think that song's awesome. I was a top 40 DJ in college. WJPZ, the world-renowned station at Syracuse University and also at Oswego's only alternative, 88.9, WNYO. So I played a lot of those real obscure alternative songs at NYU and then at Z-89, WJPZ, which is like the greatest college station of all time. We would play just all pop stuff.

This was like a station that was legit pop station in Syracuse. So I would play like TLC Waterfalls for the 50th time that hour. And then I would immediately just turn down the, the microphone. I'm like, yeah, I put my radio announcer voice on like, you know, the beat of Syracuse Z 89, Drake here with you in the afternoon. And then I play the song and then I turn it right down. I don't want to hear any of these songs. My easy one, underrated, love this tune right here from Counting Crows, When You Dream of Michael Angelo. Great tune, kind of sappy. I actually used the line in a tweet, the day I lost to Graham Barfield,

King's Classic, Fantasy Football Championship. There's a great line from the song. about fantasy football championships. It goes, let's see. But when I dream of Michael Angelo, when I'm lying in my bed, I see God upon the ceiling, I see angels overhead. This is the fantasy football title line.

And he seems so close when he reaches out his hand, but we are never quite as close as we are led to understand. Damn you, Graham Barfield stealing my championship. I want that belt. Does he use that line in another counting crow song? They probably, he's out there man he uses i think he uses it in angels of the silences i wouldn't say you my legend oh when i'm lying in my bed little angels hang above my head

bring me like a yeah so counting crows is another band who i actually they get made fun of a lot but i love some of their songs i've heard they are terrible live terrible i've seen them they're coming to syracuse i haven't bought tickets yet awful awful live two worst bands I ever sell live black crows who I love and counting the two crows were terrible oh my boy my my boy tj was like well when did you see him oh boy this was probably right before they broke up i mean they did a show that the first hour of the show was just like obscure southern rock covers people are like sitting down nobody even knew one thing they played they're like play she talks to angels you know it's like it was terrible um my boy t j probably would love that show

because he's into the crows and loves the, loves the under the radar stuff that they do. The worst band I ever saw was third eye blind. But I've seen them twice. One show they were incredible. The other they were awful. So it's just one of those like one of those bands, I guess. It happens.

I mean, that's like seeing Baker Mayfield. When you see him in college, he's great. You see him in the pros. You go, who's this jabroney? And now Baker's down in Tampa Bay with this new look, Bucks regime. So Brady's gone, four-nets gone. Here comes Baker, Joe. This is a Bucks team that last year led the NFL in passing attempts with just under 800.

There is no chance on God's Green Earth that Baker Mayfield is dropping back and throwing the ball 800 times this year. Chris Godwin, Mike Evans. They got ADPs in rounds. and six respectively. That scares the crap out of me. Not ironically, I guess, they ran the ball the fewest times. So, hello, Mr. Rashad White. What are you thinking about this Tampa Bay offense with Baker underset? I don't like it at all. Our guy, Ryan Heath, who's a new, new contributor at FantasyPoints.com, actually wrote up a piece this week that I would encourage you to check out at the website where he called Rashad White one of the five most overrated players in all

of Dynasty Fantasy Football. I think in part because he views this offenses, but he also views this offense as poor, but I think he also views what Rashad White did last year as not very good. He wasn't any better on the metrics on efficiency stats than Leonard Fournette. the line hopefully gets better. They had a lot of injuries last year. I don't know what to do with this buck's offense, Drake.

To me, I have kind of a void. I mean, I don't want to invest in a team that's rolling out Baker Mayfield. I mean, are you kidding me? You think this team's going to, he's going to continue the streak of thousand yards seasons for Mike Evans.

I mean, this team could win four games in 2020. Underrated team to be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes next year. 100%. They're paying the Brady tax this year. And as I've said multiple times, they are happy to pay the Brady tax. He was there for three seasons. He got him to the playoffs three times and he got him to the Super Bowl, all right?

Any Buccaneers fan, they won the Super Bowl. Any Buccaneers fan would have taken that three years ago without question. But now they're paying the tax and you understand that's going to happen. I think Mike Evans is a candidate to be traded during the NFL draft. I think they should trade them during the NFL draft. This move I just look, Baker was awful last year. And I thought he was going to be a huge upgrade on Sam Darnold, who was awful the year before.

He wasn't. He was worse. Is this Buccaneers offense better? In theory, yeah, it's better than the Panthers offense last year. But I just can't trust Baker, no way. You mentioned the Panthers. They've got a slew of new wide receivers in town, and they're going to have a new quarterback.

So I wanted to bring them up because it is kind of sneaky. When you look at DJ Chark and Adam Thielen alongside Terrace Marshall as your top three outside weapons, maybe they add someone in the draft, it wouldn't shock me. Of those three guys, I mean, DJ Chark, Thielen, I'm looking at DJ Chark. And I go, man, you could probably get him for absolutely nothing in your draft. And it's just all upside. He could be the number one target in this offense. Yeah. What are the ADPs right now on Tcharkin-Felan?

Let's pull them up. And pull them up there. Pull them up, Carolina, wide receivers. It's populating, it's populating. Oh, it didn't want to populate that fast. All right. One second. Well, I'm just going to.

It just ran away on me. I'll riff on this while you're saying it because I can't imagine they're very expensive. No. And. DJ Chark, Adam feeling. I mean, what? Look, I think Bryce Young is going to come in. And I believe Bryce Young's going to be the pick, by the way.

And I've been saying for weeks, like, I know like people are, like, oh, you know, Richardson and he's got the highest ceiling. I was talking to somebody who's in the league. And he said, Anthony Richardson is getting somebody fired no matter what. He said, he's getting a GM fired if he hits his ceiling because they passed on. him and he's getting somebody fired if they drafted him because he doesn't hit his ceiling. And I've been saying for a long time that I just feel like Bryce Young is a phenomenal player. Bryce Young is just, I think he fits the modern NFL.

I think he has high football IQ and I think he's the right pick at number one. And oh, you're all right, Drake? No, I'm not. I'm dying over here. Yeah. So I think Bryce Young's going to be the right pick. I think the guys that they have at wide receiver are completely fine in Adam Thielen and DJ Chark. I think he's going to be an adequate ball distributor. And I think both of those guys are way too cheap at ADP right now. But I agree with you that Chark is probably the guy I would target more. because he's cheaper than Adam Thielen. I'm actually showing Adam Thielen as, well, Adam Thieland's wide receiver.

Oh, he's in the 60s. He's like a 12th round pick. DJ Charks. 141 for Adam Thielen. Yeah, that's a 12th round pick. I have DJ Chark as a 13th round pick. Again, one of those, I'll take either one of those guys in every draft right now. They're obviously a candidate to draft a receiver in the second and third round.

You know, I was reading Bob McGinn. stuff up at go-long go-long TD, Bob McGinn who has, who's cultivated relationships with scouts for 40 years. And there's scouts in that piece that he wrote yesterday that said this is the worst wide receiver class they've seen in recent memory. So I don't know if any wide receiver is going to get drafted and come in here and nuke the value this season of Adam Thielan and DJ Tark. I'll take those guys with a much better quarterback, a quarterback I'm high on and Bryce Young. Exactly. That's, you know, your fourth, fifth, wide receiver at somebody, even in a best ball,

I think you can get some really solid weeks out of chart and feeling. And if you're playing best ball, we know you're doing it at Underdog Fantasy. Use our promo code fantasy. PTS. We're going to match your first time deposit up to $100. Put $100 in. We're going to match your $100. Now you're playing with $200 on Underdog. They got contests going already for the 2023 NFL season. Along with that, to give you a $5 subscription to FantasyPoints.com. That's right. Come read all our work for just five bucks after you deposited underdog fantasy using promo code fantasy PTS. All right, we're talking wide receiver. One we haven't really got to yet, Joe, was Odell Beckham. So he's in Baltimore. They haven't yet signed Lamar Jackson. We don't know what's going on there. They do have a different

offensive philosophy. Greg Roman is out. They're going to have a more past-centric, we would imagine offense in 2023, is O'Dell Beckham still a thing? Or are we chasing fantasy ghosts, as I've tweeted several times? What's his ADP right now? Odell Beckham at 1.30. So you're looking 11. By the way. If he doesn't go a whole lot higher than that, I'm fine with it.

Just in the event, there's something left. I'm not really sure what the thing. By the way, I think the world of Todd Monkin, I think he's a great play caller. Back-to-back national championships at Georgia, I thought he did a great job with the Bucks a couple of years ago. Yep. Let's see what happens with Lamar. I think, as we mentioned on our Jalen Hertz-May Culp a podcast, Lamar's dreams of getting a fully guaranteed contractor over. If Jalen Hertz, who has led his team farther than Lamar Jackson's led his team, I know Lamar's got an MVP,

you would think a Lamar contract is going to look similar to a Jalen Hertz. contract, he's not getting a fully guaranteed deal. It's not happening at this point. And it's probably reached a point where both sides need to come to reality, come to Jesus, and come together. And I think Lamar will be back with the Baltimore Ravens at this point. I'm fine with Odell where he's getting drafted. If he rises into like, I don't know, the sixth or seventh round, I'll have no peace

of him. Did you see the graphic that our boy, Tray Camberling put together a couple of weeks ago when Odell signed with the, oh, the catches by presidential administration. Yeah, 100-yard games. He's had zero in the Biden administration. And I think he had fewer in the Trump administration than Larry Fitzgerald. Wow.

So that just goes to show you how long it's been since O'Dell Beckham was truly great. That's why I keep saying we're chasing the ghost of fantasy here. O'Dell Beckham is the new Josh Gordon. We are going to chase that, you know, 2003 Josh Gordon's season for the rest of our lives. Odell Beckham is living off that one helmet catch. Wasn't that long ago, 2013, Drake. 2013, excuse me.

Yeah, I was trying to think when I won my fantasy championship, I had Josh Gordon. I wanted to look over and look at the trophy. So, damn, and I screwed that up. That would have been a great piece for social. I'll just restart it. We'll do it again. But, yeah, we're chasing that ghost with Odell all the time.

He made the one great catch on Sunday Night Football, and we can never get over. it again. So I'm out on O'Dell. I don't care. By the way, he's not just a one catch guy. I mean, he was all time great at the start of his career. It's just he hasn't been all time great since the start of his career. Yeah, it ain't anywhere close to the start of his career anymore. One more team or one more player that's signed and I want to get your take on it. We do a lot of Philadelphia-centric things here. You and I both like the Eagles. We haven't touched a ton on Rashad Penny. Now, this could very easily change if Philadelphia adds someone like Abidjan

Robinson next week in the draft. But at the moment, Rashad Penny is on the roster and has a chance to gain a lot of touches. He's going off the board on Underdog at 102. That's a ninth round pick. Still too well. On a team in Philadelphia where, you know, they're going to touch the ball a lot. They're going to run the ball a lot. He's going to have a lot of chances around the goal line. How much of this with Rashad Penny? Now, I know the majority of it is people don't trust Rashad Penny to stay on the field. That's why Rashad Penny, despite his historically great efficiency metrics, whenever he's been healthy, is still a ninth round pick for fantasy football

and was only able to get a one-year deal with the Eagles for pocket change. How much of this do you think, Drake, is being artificially suppressed because of the Bijon-Robinson Specter? It's a good question to have because if you want to get ahead of things and draft on underdog right now, use code fantasy PTS, this is the time to buy Rashad Penny because his price, I guess, with the Eagles will never be lower. The Eagles led the league in rushing touchdowns last year with 32. I mean, will that continue? Probably not. But let's say it comes back into the ballpark of everybody else.

Who's going to challenge them for rushing touchdown lead? I mean, you look at you had down. Ellis last year had 24, gone as Zeke Elliott. Detroit had 23, gone as Jamal Williams, but 17 of those. Then it was the Giants followed by the 49ers. I could say the 49ers or Cleveland, I think could be close to that. Maybe the Bears with Justin Fields, but the Eagles will probably blow the doors off the competition.

Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know, you're taking the Eagles with, I guess if you have the Eagles or the field, the odds are in your favor just to take the field because of what happens, you know, Jalen Hertz gets hurt. But man, Rashad Penny, if I'm doing an underdog draft today, and he's my ninth round pick and the Eagles draft Bejan Robinson, which, again, I said I don't think is happening, then so freaking be it. I used logic and I used, I used Howard Roseman's history to make a pick that I thought was a viable pick and it didn't work out, whatever. It's not that expensive a pick. I mean, this is a guy who I think if they don't draft a running back early,

and by that, I mean on day one or two of the NFL draft, and we're getting the reports, oh my God, B. Sean Ra. I mean, Rashad Penny looks amazing in camp. This guy's a sixth round pick by July. It kills me. I know he's not going to be a factor in the run game. Not that Jaylon Hertz is going to pass a game. Not that Jalen Hertz is going to dump the ball off to the running backs all that much.

but I like Rashad Penny a lot more in best ball. And that's a cop out to say. I like him more in best ball than I do maybe in a managed league because I think there's going to be a lot of weeks where you plug Rashad Penny in as your RB tour flex. And he's going to run for 65 yards and no score. And you're sitting there, you know, with your phone in your hand, staring at 6.5 points.

I don't know, man. I can see the upside here. I know you're not a big you did not like the Rashad Penny move for the Eagles. It's fine. He's, I don't think, people thought he's going to come in. Now, he's the man. I don't think it's going to be that way.

I think it is going to be an extreme committee. They liked what they saw to Kenny Gainwell. Kenny Gainwell got a shit ton of run in the playoffs and the Super Bowl. And I think Kenny Gainwell, more than anyone else, is going to be a guy that behind Jalen Hertz, maybe leads them in touches. And again, this is touches. Gainwell was my most drafted running back on underdog last year. And it was terrible for like three months.

And then in the last month and in the playoffs, unfortunately the playoffs don't count for underdog best ball, regular season titles. I was like, oh, yeah, there. There's that guy I was drafting. I'll probably be drafting Gainwell again and I'll be a sucker again. But I think it's just a matter of I'll take any Eagle running back. And if that means, you know, I have some penny early and I've got some Gainwell later,

or even Boston Scott in the 18th round, then so be it. I'm sure there'll be some Trey Sermonite during training camp as well. But yeah, like, you're right. There's a team that ran for 32 touchdowns last year. A large, a large portion of those were to Jalen Hertz. A large portion of those were not to Jalen Hertz. So this is a run game you wanted to do. Yeah, no question about it.

Let me get, before we get out of here, one final song. Give me a song that people should be humming the rest of the day after this in this podcast. Okay. So I have gone on a record. saying my one-one in all-time song drafts is God Only Knows by the Beach Boys. Oh, I like that. It reminds me of my dad. I just think it's a perfect, perfect song.

But there is a song, and I'm not Justin Fensterman. I'm not like this Beach Boys super fan. First concert I ever attended, Beach Boys, New York State Fair. Was Brian Wilson there? Yeah. I mean, this is like 1989. I don't know. Because if Brian Wilson wasn't there, it wasn't the.

Beach Boys. John Stamos is there. I can tell you that. Oh, my, Atlanta. But so there's a song from their, like, scrapped album, which was called Smile, which was supposed to be, like, their magnum opus and the great follow-up to pet sounds, which is, obviously, I have a vinyl pet sound back there. You can't see it.

This was supposed to be this amazing follow-up that they just never really completed, but the songs got out there anyway. There's a song called Surf's Up, and. obviously this is when Brian Wilson was in his deep, deep artsy phase, and it was a obvious callback to the history of the Beach Boys, but the song has nothing to do with surfing. And it's, it's layers of incredible vocals, just out there lyrics. I would encourage you to look it up, look up the Beach Boys surfs up. It's hard for me to explain, but since they have my one-one on my all-time songstrap with

God only knows. I wanted to point out maybe a lesser known Beach Boys song. Again, nothing to do with surfing. Just a really, really magical piece. Sticking with 90s semi-pop bands, I love the band, Train. I've seen them maybe more than any other band ever.

Super underrated vocals. Pat Monaghan, I'd put him up against anybody. The guy literally was asked by Van Halen to go back out, or Led Zeppelin, excuse me, to go on tour with them. They did a Led Zeppelin cover album. He's that gifted vocally. They did a song. It's a cover of the band Sugar. And this song is, is, oh, Jesus, I just forget about it. If I can't change your mind. And it just boom, it hits her right off the front, really high energy, fun song. Go check out if I can't change your mind by the band,

Train. I don't know much about Train. I do know that the lead singer ended up in one of those the Hallmark Christmas movies that my wife watches. And I was like, is that the train guy? And he was in it. And coincidentally, my wife's name is Virginia. Oh. So that would be, that would, the only thing I know is that,

the, the only thing I know about train is that we asked the band on her 21st birthday if they could play Meet Virginia, and they didn't know it. So they didn't. Oh, man. Trains really. So I hope you guys. enjoyed our look at some of the under the radar moves in the offseason thus far.

And things are going to change to be hot and heavy with the NFL draft. Your place to get all the information is fantasy points.com. We've got some fun draft day things going on at the site. Don't we have a live draft show going on that Thursday night for the opening day? Thursday and Friday. Kick ass. I have to talk to you about that, Drake, as well, because we're going to have a rotating slate of gas. You and I should get together on Sunday evening pre-success

and probably do like a fantasy recap. Maybe we'll go team by team and just like, hey, here's what changed for fantasy. I think that would play really well. We're going to have Tom Brawley on on Tuesday before the draft for all your favorite player props. Fantasy points is going to be all over on our YouTube channel. Brett Whitefield and Scott Barrett.

Brett bringing kind of the film perspective, Scott bringing the model perspective. Those two are going to get into it. it. They're going to fight on on the live stream. And I will be on the channel live on Thursday night when I find out if I have to get drunk and jump off my roof. Let's go, baby. I'll see my reaction live. I'm not going to do it right away. I have to figure out the best way for me to do that while not permanently damaging myself. But we will see what happens because if the Eagles draft Bijon Robinson in the top 10, I am getting drunk and jumping off my roof. I do not believe it will

happen, but we will see. We need to trade down to 11. Let's go just to say, Joe. I kind of feel like that would be, I would have to pay up somehow if they do that. You just stand on the roof and wave your bottle of Evan Williams. All right, folks. Well, thanks so much for hanging with Joe and I. Remember to follow us on Twitter.

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