Fantasy Football Daily - Wild Finishes of NFL Week 12 | Fantasy Points Podcast

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

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Enjoy the holiday season and all that good stuff and your turkey on Thursday. But we've got week number 12 to recap, and that's exactly what we do here on the Fantasy Points podcast is the latest one with Brian Drake and I, and it was a very counterintuitive week for the National Fake You Out League. We'll break it all down like Caleb Williams going off.

Bryce Young and the Panthers, giving the Kansas City Chiefs a really good game, like the Raiders even gave the Broncos a game. And of course, the Cowboys, we thought they were dead. Nope. They emerged victorious as well. Niners might actually be dead. Stay tuned.

We've got over an hour of hashtag analysis coming out of week number 12 here on the Fantasy Points podcast. Again, happy Thanksgiving. As always, you are welcome. All across the fantasy universe, welcome to the week 12 recap show, Brian Drake, alongside the Guru John. Hanson. John, another weird, wild, wacky day in the NFL. It started off pretty slow. And by the end of that, what they call witching hour of the 1 p.m. Eastern games, all hell had broken loose. You got guys returning kicks for touchdown, onside kicks being recovered, field goals,

you name it. It was bananas. But did it help us win props? Did it help us win fantasy games? Did it help us figure anything out that we can take going forward to hang our head on for fantasy? I don't know, but we're going to talk about it for the next hour. How are you doing, brother? Yeah, I don't know either, man. It was a very, as you say, weird week. It was counterintuitive in some ways. It was torturous in some ways.

It was another, you know, my top five props went three and two. It's like a 500. It's like a 50-50 week in terms of the props. You know, a couple of the losers. The guys did well for fantasy. So I'm to the point now where I'm wondering where my fantasy spider sense has kind of hurt me a little bit on props this year because I've had a number of losing props from guys who score and get it done for fantasy. But I'll have to continue to look at the week to figure out exactly how good or bad it was.

But we'll get into every individual situation. But I think as I said before we went on the air, we are kind of in the November doldrums. we've been there all month and it's a it's a long month too uh don't we get no we don't next week is december 1st but we've had uh you know a month of just not great um for what we do and this is typical though it starts out every year same thing very accurate i mean my last my first six weeks were incredibly accurate and then things start to unravel then guys start getting hurt and now you get to November and all hell breaks loose, basically. Things spiral out of control in many, many instances with all the injuries and just

poor performances. Teams tanking it. Teams surprisingly not tanking it, like the Dallas Cowboys in some cases. Give them credit. But yeah, the National Fake You Out League, it's prevalent as ever. And then another theme, and it's been a theme for a while, is let's divide up 200,000. 35 yards among 10 different people. So no one does well.

I feel like you're talking about the Green Bay Packers possibly, but we'll get into those guys. Let's start out with one of the best teams in the league against one of the worst. And of course it comes down to the last second field goal. Kansas City wins 3027. Of course, Noah Gray has to go off and score two touchdowns. Here's an interesting stat I found, John.

Kansas City this year has allowed 27 points or more in back-to-back games. They allowed 27 points or more before week 11 just once in the last two years. So I got a feel in this KC team, they're playing it's, they're living on his razor's edge. And it's going to bite him in the playoffs, but we're here to talk fantasy. And Kareem Hunt 16 carries 68 yards. So you get another week of him without Pacheco. But, you know, he doesn't really come through for you. not because he doesn't get in the box. This is a game where if you had DeAndre Hopkins, fantastic. Mahomes comes through with the three tutties.

Kudos to you because remember we were talking about, hey, Mahomes is going to come through. He's going to come on. He's going to start throwing all these touchdowns, and he is. But, you know, some of the big name guys, they don't help you out. Kelsey does nothing for you. Worthy does nothing. Like you said, Hunt doesn't get in the box.

So kind of a frustrating day if you're a Kansas City chief owner. It was counterintuitive day because it's like you're, But KC up against one of the worst teams in the league, and you're like, Mahomes won't have to do much, and yet he runs for more yards than he had all year, and he throws it 37 times. So this is what I'm saying, like very counterintuitive.

Of course, he's got to spread it around. I actually had Noah Gray as a reach. Tom Broley and I were talking this morning, I believe on the live stream, he went with a prop. I'm like, oh, that's a good one. I actually picked him up and started him in an FFPC league, and he went off. Kelsey was

oh, I mean, six for 62. I was thinking about taking his under. I think that would have lost. Worthy was, you know, I liked Hopkins. You know, this is where my fantasy season long, Spidey Sense hurts me a little bit. I'm like, you know what?

I think I said it on our Thursday live stream. I'm like, yeah, he's going to catch four, five balls and score in the middle of the end zone. He literally scored in the middle of the end zone. He caught five balls. Yet I still lost a prop. but yeah because we got to get Justin Watson involved we got to throw some balls to juju

we got to throw it to P-Rom we got to throw it to steel you know spreading it around but Mahomes does get it done again counterintuitively and I think counterintuitively also you would have thought oh one more week of Kareem Hunt take is overrushing which I didn't but of course that doesn't hit Chuba Hubbard it's like toughest matchup in a league

so Bencham nope start him D. Moore. I keep thinking, I keep thinking it's DJ Moore. I know, David Moore. That's right, no, it's David Moore. He's been in the league since 1979. I did like Sanders a little bit,

but he got, I believe, can cost. Yeah. But hey, Bryce Young is definitely playing better. You know, they're a viable offense. So if I'm Carolina, I'd probably go with them. and if you started Jonathan Brooks, sorry, because he only played five snaps. So I don't know what we can even do with him going forward.

Like, you got to really take the expectations and kind of put him in the garbage because it's a lost season at this point for Brooks. Watch, we'll say that he'll get 25 carries next week. But they're not taking Chuba Hubbard off the field. But if you want to drop, if you're in a season-long league and it's not a keeper, and you're somehow carrying Jonathan Brooks, stop just drop his ass there's no need i don't think i've ever seen such positive reports without hearing about a setback for a guy who dude just not coming back yeah i mean we're we're

going to go week 13 here i mean it's probably going to play but i don't think i've ever encountered something but of course you know i've been doing this for 30 years you know there was a good 20 25 year period where I don't know we actually got good NFL reporting because you know we don't get that anymore yeah it's very true a lot of these beat writers you follow on whatever social platinum form these days and it's tough you can't get anything out of these guys uh geez and even got guys like rap sheet out here talking about how an NFL coach just straight up lied to him told him a fib and in the next day you know the guy he said oh i'm going to get a contract extension the guy got fired next day.

Oh, yeah, yeah, it was a. Malarkey. What's his face? Yeah, Mike Malarkey. Don't call me Kevin Costner. I was thought he looked like Kevin Costner. Great stuff. I could see it a little bit. Yeah. A little bit. He looks exactly like it. It looks like Kevin Costner's older brother.

And let's roll on here. This was a really fun game. And God bless you, Bears fans. I don't know how you don't drink a case of Jack Daniels a week. 30 to 27, the Vikings. win in overtime. We improved nine and two here. This game kind of had at all, John. Sammy Darnold throws for 3.30 and two touchdowns. Again, shout out to me for dropping him two weeks ago in a league where I started freaking Drake May, but that's my, you know, crossed a bear. But look at your Vikings, John. He got Aaron Jones over 100 yards and a touchdown. Our guy Addison,

buck 62 and a score. Hawkinson, welcome back. 114 that it helped that he got to overtime to pad those stats. But really, just a down date for Justin Jefferson. Was this just the Bears defense locking him down? Or it's just that's the NFL these days. What the hell are you going to do? What are you going to do? Well, no, very counterintuitive because it was a great schematic matchup for Jefferson.

And look, the coaches, they're free to change up their schemes and confuse the opposing team and confuse us as we try and be predictive on this stuff. But the entirety of the passing game, well, not the entirety. I did like Hawkinson, but didn't like Addison at all. There were myriad data points that pointed against them. I tried a couple of Addison props within the last four or five weeks, died like a dog because he got only like four targets. Darnold has missed him a couple of times. But not today. Today he was always over the freaking place i mean jefferson got a 20-yard grab late in the game maybe even overtime i believe jefferson went four quarters with one catch for eight yards i mean what the hell was that i mean for

almost the entire regular four quarters jordan addison had like literally like 88 percent of their receiving yards like bizarre bizarre uh but yeah at least hawkinson comes through but JJ like I don't know what to tell you I mean Aaron Jones we thought I thought certainly we all thought would do well. Donald is I think I wrote this somewhere like you know what just use them every week like he gets 240 slash two every week yeah and I maybe next week we get a little squeaky wheel narrative with Justin Jefferson but if you had Addison on your bench now you know he he's kind of a guy you can flex wide receiver three every single week he's not gonna get you a buck 62 but he's scoring what is this two three weeks now in a row that we're seeing

addison getting a box uh i mean he he's scoring uh just after i kind of got off him because i'm like this guy is not is better than this you know but not really i mean before um you got 61 yards in a tutti last week he scored now in uh three of his last four but his yardage other than today was three for 61, two for 25, five for 42. Then he had two for freaking 22, three for 66, three for 36, three for 72, three for 35. Essentially, he's made like four big plays. Other than that, he doesn't get enough targets for really to make him, you know, somewhat

predictive. It just doesn't. I mean, here's his target numbers other than today. 8553-4-8-4-4 that's that's not enough you need a little more than that today he gets eight and as time of our recording he's wide receiver one on the week for the bears hey we talked about it last week they got to shorten things up they got to get the ball out of Caleb's hands really what cost the bears in overtime was Caleb took a terrible sack because he didn't get the ball out of his hands he stood there for about 10 seconds but Caleb he's running a little bit again john 33 yards on the ground but he throws for 340 and 2. I mean, they're not running the football and you can't run much on Minnesota, but they said to hell with it, we're going to just throw and throw and throw. And I mean, look at these target numbers for the Bears. If you started some of these guys, you've got to be happy. Keenan Allen, 15 targets caught 9 for 86 and a touch. 10 targets for cold come at,

10 for Dunesay. And DJ Moore has the lowest number of all of them. He has seven, but he goes for 106 and a touch. Should have had a passing touchdown, by the way. But it got broken up in the end zone. But yeah, I like, I think all these bears receivers are in play now going forward. I don't know, man. I don't know how sticky it is, you know, because before this, he had 231, 120, 217, and 131 with zero touchdowns. I mean, and it's four games before this.

Yeah, I mean, there's always. always a little bit of a chance well let's say it's addition by subtraction they got rid of uh waldron who stunk and yeah things are better but keenan allen was completely unpredictable now i actually did predict dj more if you watch our live stream today uh for those who uh who were on it or whatever we got it just every every live stream like before the game we do it's always seems means like we get the same guy. And I end up saying yes to the same guy like over and over again. So I just, I'm like, guys, the Vikings don't stop good number one receivers.

Like we just don't. So you watch, DJ Moore, boom, seven for 106 for a tutty. But for a while there, it looked like it was going to be the Keenan Allen show. I'm like, really? All right, before we touch on the rest of the bears, let's take a quick timeout. It's the Fantasy Points podcast. At Capital One, we're more than just a credit card company. We're people just like you who believe in the power of yes.

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All right, John, we're breaking down the bears here. They're trying to get things going post-Shane Waldron here. And, you know, we were mentioning all the targets for Keenan Allen and Komet. And you were big on DJ Moore during the live stream this morning. Any final thoughts on this Bears attack? Well, I mean, it was we've gotten some steps in the right direction. You know, they're finding a way to actually matriculate the ball down the field via the forward pass. But I don't know how much we can count on Williams, Caleb Williams, throwing it 47 times.

Again, this was another counterintuitive situation there because, you know, if you would have gone with these guys, you could have potentially easily have just looked like a chump. Because like, what am I doing? This offense is bad and the Vikings defense is good. What was I thinking? Well, you know, so I would not, I mean, certainly it's a encouraging performance, but I mean, past results do not indicate future. earnings or whatever man i mean it's just it's week to week let's say it that way and the bears got screwed on a crazy like non-reviewable play the like explanation of this was i i can't even follow it so not every stadium has a pylon camera going down the sideline and you like coaches can't

challenge it because not every stadium has the pylon cam and it's it's a whole thing but All right, let's move on and see what's going on here with the rest of the league. How about this one? The Tennessee Titans go and beat the Houston Texans in Houston, 3227. The Texans are a complete fraud. Now, I told everybody pick up Houston's defense two weeks ago. They were number one defense against the Cowboys. They crushed again today because you're going against Will Levis, who was sacked.

Geez, I lost count at seven how many times he was sacked, but he threw. He will pick six. He, you know, it's fumbling the ball over the play. So if you started the Texans defense, John, you had a great, great day. But listen, C.J. Strutt, this offensive line of his is not good. And C.J. Stroud looks like he's regressed a ton. Oh, a ton. Yeah, absolute ton.

I'm looking to see how many times Levis got sacked. Eight times. Oh, my God. I lost counted seven. Eight times. got sacked four times yeah levis is uh is brutal but hey getting the ball to to riddley your boy westbrook a kine i mean hey cut tyree kill to make room for westbrook a keney baby uh a concho fluky i mean come on yeah i mean pallard i mean again another counterintuitive game

like pallard really all the i mean like i think like the football gods are like you know what data boy F your data we're gonna we're gonna have a week where it's F fantasy points data and all data and we're gonna have the outcomes be completely contradictory to all the freaking data because every data point worth looking at where Pollard said nah what's he do five hours of carry 24 k I mean like like a true like a bell cow like Eddie George back in the day It's a joke. 119 yards for Pollard. I mean, this was crazy.

Yeah, Nick Westbrook-a-Kine, we joke about him here on the show. Two for 48 in a touchdown. I was listening to Paul Kelly and Joe Dolan doing the Game Day show on Sirius XM. And Paul had the great line. He's like, if you're NWI, your NWI for life. Shout out to all the world wrestling fans out there. But, yeah, nice day for your guy, Chigi Akko, catches a 70-year. charter takes it to the house.

But yeah, I mean, if you're rolling with any of these guys on the Titans, your team's probably not making the playoffs because let's pick up Chigacanquo, then cut him before the next game because he's unreliable. Will Levis 278 slash 2. Again, it's just one week that means absolutely nothing next week. But the Texan struggles to continue. I mean, Nico Collins didn't he have another, he had another big play callback. Yes, he did.

You know, I like the freaking Schultz prop. He missed it by like six yards because of course, Kate Stover had to have his welcome party to the National Football League. Bro mixing out there like a world beater. Of course, now he's like

flattened like a pancake, 1.6 yards of carry. At least he catches five. But yeah, Dell gets a couple of big plays but not much else going on here other than Nico. Yeah, I have to drop, John Mechie after the game. I'm like, he's not doing anything.

Yeah, it's over. He's worthless. Houston converts just. Well, I mean, the passing game kind of stinks. The passing game stinks unless it's Nico Collins. It's very disjointed watching their offense. And you can tell when Stroud drops back. It's kind of, like you said, it's looking for Nico.

And if that's not there, it's a struggle bus. Because I don't know if it's just not designed very well, but there's something about this offense that's not clicking. There's a lot with this team that's not great. I mean, you can't be a playoff team and have 11 penalties on the day when your opponent, who's a bad team only commits six and they turn the ball over twice. So, I mean, Houston, just a brutal, brutal loss at home. All right, Detroit, the Lions, they keep pounding as a 24 to 6 win over the Indianapolis Colts. And I heard people, John, and I took offense to this where people are comparing the Detroit Lions to the greatest show on turf. And it's not even

freaking close. Folks, when you look back at what that team with the Rams was doing, with Warner and the great wide receivers and Marshall Falk, this Lions team has a really good offensive line. And oh, by the way, Taylor Decker got hurt you on this game. I'll have to watch that. But they just run the ball. They beat you into submission. The passing game doesn't scare anybody. Like, I get that Goff throws 36 times for 269 doesn't throw any touchdowns today. Like I worry about that when they get to the playoffs. Like I don't I don't know if Jared Goff can win deep into the playoffs consistently, especially if they go on the road.

But I don't know. That was just something I heard. I'm like, don't compare these guys at a greatest show on turf. They're not even close. They can just pound you with the run game. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I see the comparison in some fronts,

but it's not a good comparison per se. I'm trying to think of a team that's kind of been built like the Lions. You know, they're reminded of like the old, like, Cowboys teams or something from when, Troykeman was there where they're just going to run it down your throat. And, you know, he doesn't throw big yards all over a place, but he's got a playmaker on the outside in Irvin. And they're just, you know, it's Emmett Smith right in your face. It's more, it reminds me like a 1990s team than, you know, 24 or 24. Geez, what years are that out there?

Yeah, true. Well, that's true. Dan Campbell probably did a lot of his work in the 90s. You know, I think he did, I mean, he was in the league up until probably like 08 or something, I'm guessing. But it's probably started in the 90s. Yeah, yeah, I mean, nothing really comes to mind. You know, the game has changed, too. You know, the Cowboys under Norv Turner were power running,

but they were also old school Al Davis throw the ball down the field, which lines don't really do that, all that. But hey, they're really good team. They're playing very well overall. They can beat you in a number of ways. You know, if they have to be in a shootout, it's not ideal, but they can certainly do it. You know, one guy who hasn't,

and I thought maybe he would do something today, and he didn't, but they do still have Samuel Leporta. So if you get into a shootout, between JMO, who had a good game today, Amon Ross, the man. you know, Patrick was all over the place today, unfortunately. I mean, golf does throw it for 36 times. Of course, ironically, he doesn't get a tutty, but 269 is not bad.

So, you know, some of the receivers were okay. But of course, we got to get freaking Brock Wright involved here. He outproduced Leporto in yardage. But, yeah, they're very good. Montgomery looked great today. Gibbs always looks great. Other side, again, a little counterintuitive. I did like Richardson to hit his rushing prop, which he did.

I thought Downs would do better, very frustrating. He had a 20-yard catch callback. Then he had an 8-yard catch callback. And those plays occur. Then the prop wins. I said on Hanson's Hanson, like, you know, Pierce's probably going to make a big play. He kind of did, 39-yarder. But Richardson was a little off, very frustrated out there, didn't throw it a lot.

And then, but counterintuitively again, here's Michael Pittman. Oh, I guess he's back because he looked awesome. So now, now we got to, we got to change up the narrative on these guys like every week. It's like every freaking week things change here with these Colts. Now Taylor's worthless. Downs is suss. Now I guess Pittman is kind of a must start. Yeah.

And Downs left with a short. shoulder issue, so we'll have to monitor that into next week. When did that, how late in the game was that? I think it's probably in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Just one quick thing about the Lions, David Montgomery, he did leave the game. I guess afterwards he said he could have gone back in. Dan Campbell held them out because, again, they do play on Thursday for Thanksgiving.

So it's good to see David Montgomery back in. How about with this running game? This is why I say they're like an old school team. Montgomery and Gibbs. have both scored in seven of the Lions 11 games this season. They've both scored a touchdown. It's just incredible what these two guys are doing. Yeah, that's crazy.

J.T. though, another terrible performance for Jonathan Taylor. And maybe it's because you got Anthony Richardson carrying the ball 10 times out there. And they just, they're not going to commit to the run. Yeah. And you don't, you don't have much support with the passing game. Kansas State to Drive. It's ugly. Yeah.

And yeah. Exactly. And they don't throw it to them. It's miserable right now. It is. Yeah. Only three third down conversions for Indianapolis on the day as they fall to five and seven. I mean, this is part of the problem with the league.

You know, like they made a deal with the devil embracing these college quarterbacks and all this gimmicky BS. I've always hated it, by the way. You know, oh, we're going to get yards based on deception. How about you draw up good plays, execute them, and beat people and that way? No, I'm going to trick them. I'm going to think that I'm holding. You know what I mean?

Like, can't stand it. But we're all paying for the NFL relinquishing control of, you know, the typical game to these college concepts. Because it's not great football. You look back at Jared Gough and I kind of poo-pooed him. But, I mean, listen, the lions are 10 and 1. You can't knock what they're doing. He's a guy that he's not going to run at all, but he can put his foot in the ground,

and he can make a throw when he needs to. And that's why the lines are good. They've got a great offensive line. They can run the football, and they can make throws when they need to. And they convert on third down, 9 or 15 on third down. Indianapolis can't drop back and throw. Their line is suspect. They don't convert on third down.

And coincidentally, they can't run. So that's why your team stinks. Let's take a quick time out here, John. And when we come back, don't look now. The dolphins aren't quite dead yet. That might be on their last breath, but they're still breathing. We'll talk about them next. It's the Fantasy Points podcast.

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Didn't do much on the ground, only 32 yards, but oh, did I jump off my couch when I saw him catch two receiving touchdowns, baby? I love the fact that they're getting this kid involved in the past game because you don't have to bang him in between the tackles. This is not an offense that's ever going to win between the tackles at this point. They used to be able to run the ball when this was a new flashy offense. No more. This team doesn't run the ball. Nope. For squat.

But, hey, I love to see it. And last week we buried Jalen Waddle. I know he listens to the show. Hi, Jalen, how you doing? Eight for one, 44 and a touch, John. Holy smokes. Yeah, it's unbelievable. You know, if you read the article,

the Hanson's Hints, I did have Tua as a matchup to exploit, felt good about it. I'm like, it's about time. they make defenses pay for playing man things like that and that all happened except i thought i thought tyriek hill would get to 80 yards or at least get over his prop unbelievable i mean think about this two with throws it 40 times for 317 slash 4 and tyreek doesn't get 10 ppr points oh i mean what in the world is going on? I mean, this is, guess what?

I hate to say it. And no offense, maybe he, I feel like there's something else going on. He's kind of intimated this, but I thought he was a fringe Hall of Famer. You lost, dude. You're out. If this is how you're going to kind of end the,

I'm not saying the career is over, but it's hard to come back from this. like, are we ever going to see the Tyreek of 20, 23 again? I mean, this is weird. Yeah, you know, he's talking about that wrist issue. And remember, they redid his contract. They didn't add any years to it. Yeah, he is talking about an early retirement.

He mentioned that when he signed that contract initially. He said, hey, when this is done, he's like, I'm out of here. I think I'm done. So it could be seen the beginning of the end there for Tyreek. Janu Smith, by the way, is like the focal point of, this offense now. I mean, the offense is completely evolved now to where again, you're like,

okay, I understand what they were looking to do when they get Janu, get a guy who can, you know, give them another option, you know, dump off, running after the catch, threat in the middle of the field. But it's evolved into, oh, no, no, no. The entire

office has changed now and it goes through Jono. I'm like, what? This is a game that Miami was up 31 to nothing. And, And the leading rusher for Miami on the day was A-chan with 32 yards. Like you mentioned, 40 attempts for Tua. Nothing really to speak of on the other side for the Patriots. They were getting their balls kicked in.

Drake May got a garbage touchdown in the second half to Austin Hooper. And they have to spread it around. You only have 22 yards. Do we have to throw it to five, ten different guys? Because you did. You threw it to ten. Guys, my God. Yeah, Austin Hooper scores.

Jayvon Baker, Polk, born to be alive, hasty lineup decision. I mean, it's just Stevenson Goose egged you in the passing game and ran for 1.6 yards at Carrie. I mean, come on. Terrible. Terrible. Hey, you want to talk terrible. The New York football giants. This was embarrassing.

30 to 7, the bucks go in to MetLife and just drop. rub the Giants who they've quit it's over and i hope you guys went out and picked up Tampa bay if you're reading that streaming defense article i said please go get these guys because Tommy devedo is not good and he showed it today 21 of 31 for davido buck 89 uh no touchdowns for the giants you mentioned this weeks and weeks and weeks ago malik neighbors there's kind of something about him he gets a little uh little mouthy in some of these post game pressers After the game today, again, he's done this several times. He's like, listen, go talk to the coach.

He's like, you can't throw me to ball when we're down 30 to nothing. He's like, what are we doing here? He's like, I don't see the ball until we're getting our asses kicked. Yeah. I mean, he has a point. Oh, another fumble. Yeah, yeah. Everything I feared with my league neighbors is all come to fruition.

I mean, period. You know, I felt like an idiot for about five weeks when I'm like, I'm not in, and he's putting up mind-numbing numbers, but sample size, man. We just tripled the sample size from where we were after September, and it's not good. It doesn't look good. I mean, it's not hopeless, at least. He gets to 12 points, but it's... The only thing I think that could help this is if they put in Drew Locke, but, I mean, they're tanking it, but at what expense?

You might lose fans forever if you embarrass themselves for another six weeks. It's tough. It's seven weeks. You're going to break Tyrone Tracy. He had seven weeks in his shit. What's that? You're going to break Tyrone Tracy. This kid's confidence is already, you know, waning because of another fumble.

And then around the goal line, they pull his ass and single Terry gets a carry and ends up scoring. When I saw a Giants running back go in, I fist pump because I'm starting. starting Tracy everywhere, right, John? And I'm like, son of a bitch, that was Devin Singletary. So, yeah. Well, you know what, Brian Dayball is getting exposed. You know, I thought he had a chance when he got the job. I thought he was a guy who was a little slow in the uptake, a little bit of a late bloomer.

But no, turns out the reason it took that long for him to get a job is he actually does, in fact, suck. I said that for a long time. People, oh, no, he's great. Maybe it's just Josh Allen. You see a lot of these coaches. They're fantastic with Hall of Fame quarterbacks out there carrying their mail. Let's talk about the box. That first year with the Giants was impressive, though.

Well, it wasn't. I mean, remember, that's what got him in the situation that they're in now. They were in a terrible, terrible NFC. And then they ended up getting the, like, the seven seed because the NFC was so bad. And because they made the. playoffs they had to pay Daniel Jones because now you had a terrible draft pick as a playoff team so they're like we're screwed um how about for tampa they didn't have to but they felt that yeah yeah could have to pay barclay but they felt like they had to keep the cordobatic you know who's

going to be in that that spot after this same season uh it's it's a different situation because the guy went to a super bowl year ago but brock purdy and the 49ers because they're going to make a decision this this offseason like do you want to pay brock purdy QB won money maybe you just kind of tank out the rest of this season and see what draft pick you have. Wow. You know? Well, of course,

problem is they can't pick good quarterbacks in the first round. So I mean, they tried to be the smartest person. They tried to be. Kyle Shanahan's beard just went gray over the last four weeks, by the way. I don't know if anyone has noticed that. Maybe it's just made.

Maybe it's been gray all year. But I just saw him. I'm like, oh, man, dude went gray. But hey, he's getting. up there. I had a gray beer when I was like 37, believe it or not. Let's run through the bucks quickly. Four rushing touchdowns, Irving,

Rashad White, Baker Mayfield, and my guy, Sean Tucker from Syracuse. He actually got the first touchdown of the day. Scores a touchdown on 0.8 yards of carry. But hey, Bucky Irving looks great, John. He looks really, really good. Unbelievable. And he also caught

six balls for 64. If you got him, he's an every week starter going forward in fantasy. I was very high on his prop and I'm like, are you kidding me? Like totally not totally counterintuitive. Giants, you know, very bad against the run against Manning Gap schemes. And what happens? Irvin comes out and he catches all these balls. I'm like, what?

Luckily, he ripped off that 56 yarder and he clearly easily cleared the prop by like 30 yards. So the analysis and everything came true. but it was like, really? This is like the NFL. Can we get anything anymore that's just like, well, I put the time in to analyze this and break it down and, oh, look, everything happened or most of it happened. No, not anymore.

Now it's just like everything runs counterintuitive to what logic, data in recent history and whatever. Whatever you have to help you be predictive, the NFL is finding ways to be. completely contradictory to whatever you're working with. It's like, hey, I got Kate Otton. He's going to be a top five tight end for the rest of the season. Well, he's going to catch one ball for 30 today.

Good luck. He's dead. Oh, I actually did not like him today, but I did like Big Mike. And that came through as well, luckily. But yeah, but I mean, to your point, it's like Kate Otten, that was season three. He was a league winner. Now he's back to being rotten. Yeah.

But freaking Baker, though. I mean shout out to baker I mean you want to talk about oh by the way when he did the the the Tommy cutlass that was awesome hey hey hey get the fuck out of here hey oh sorry I shouldn't curse Tommy maybe you can edit that out I's wrong but and you know who I feel for well I almost don't feel for him the Browns and their fans you big dummies you haven't had a franchise quarterback since freaking Bernie kosar decades you have the number one pick at the draft you correctly draft Baker Mayfield maybe I think it was Josh Allen year okay but at least you didn't take I think it was Sam Donald that year too and

I know it got ugly, but you guys cut bait and now he is a franchise leading winner. And you, oh, I mean, it's brutal. That's brutal. Like, guys, well, first of all, they're a revolving door anyway. But this is when, this is an example of stick to your convictions. You were convicted enough to draft Baker Mayfield. yet as an organization, I'm sure there are multiple people involved, yet you had no conviction and you just,

you were convicted to get rid of them. But it's just unbelievable. It's like, guys, you're the Browns. You've sucked forever. You had the guy. You had them. And you just let them walk out of your building. Yes, they did.

And he went down to Tampa. They're still fighting, five and six, trying to get to the playoffs. So let's take one more time out here. Baker's balling. He is. He throws for $2.94. No touchdown today. So that's going to hurt his fantasy numbers overall.

You know, he was like a top three. Hey, he ran for $29. He ran one end though, man. He's, he's, what I'm saying? He will not be denied. He can't be. And we're not going to be denied this timeout on the other side. Maybe the most entertaining game, well, most entertaining fourth quarter of the day.

This was a fun one. And it got a lot of fantasy points. Hey, and it helped my eagle. So I was all for it. We'll talk about the commanders and the cowboys on the other side. It's the Fantasy Points podcast. All right, John, this is where everything's coming up, Millhouse. I have Jaden Daniels in several leagues, and I, as an Eagles fan, wanted the commanders to lose.

And this game, the commanders and the Cowboys, really the first half was awful. This was a 3-3 game at halftime. And if you go and look at the possessions, like to start the game, it's like missed field goal, blocked field goal, punt, missed field goal, interception. It's awful like what this game was. But it turned into a fun little shootout here at the end. Jaden Daniels connects with Terry McLaurin on a bomb. He puts up 275 and two on the day does Daniels.

McLaurin goes for 102 and one, really most of it on that one plus. then Cavante Turpin returns a kickoff for a touchdown. I think the Cowboys special teams, if you've played them, they had two kick returns for touchdowns today. And the Cowboys end up winning 34 to 26, just a bananas game. Our guy Luke Schoonmaker comes through. He gets a touchdown.

C.D. Lamb, 10 for 67, you'll take it. Nothing on the ground in terms of scoring for Uncle Rico, but 86 yards is like the greatest game of all time for him. You know, Cooper Rush also, John, 247 and 2 doesn't throw any interceptions. He's on the radar now. We mentioned it last week about streaming. You can, I think, put Cooper Rush in because they're going to throw it a ton. Give Dow's credit.

I mean, they are professionals. You did what you're supposed to do, but they fought hard, divisional opponent. This is a big time rivalry, no doubt. But I would classify this as another counterintuitive day. You know, like Rico Dattle, we're like, oh, what a joke. No, he didn't go off here, but like that's a joke commodity. Oh, no, it's not. He's going to get 22 touches.

Now, D.C., I guess they have been run on. But, you know, shout out to Schoonmaker. I do love me some schoonmaker. I told, I think a lot of people on the live stream today to start him. I actually had to start in desperation to the last minute, Jail and Tolbert. he scored. Oh, you know, lucky bastard. Yeah.

But man, you know, for most of the game, I'm thinking, well, because Jaden Daniels looked a lot more willing to run. Obviously, I had seven rushes for 74. And yet the passing game still sucked. Other than you take away that fluky 80-yarder. And what do we have? I mean, not much. I mean, okay, Daniels throws for 195 slash one. I mean, what I'm trying to say is we're looking here

at another fall off of Cliff Kingsbury situation. Always happens. This is the second half the season with the commander's OC. People mention it all. You know, I've already seen enough. They're not going anywhere in the playoffs. They're one and done. They're going to make the playoffs.

They're one and done. Do not worry about D.C. Cliff Kingsbury is not going deep into a playoff. Cliff Kingsbury stinks. I mean, he's, he'll get, he'll get you to the playoffs, but you're not winning shit. Let's say it that way. What about Noah Brown getting 10 targets? It's like the leading.

I was a Joe Dolan special this week. I was, I was feeling that too. I think I had him as a reach. Yeah. I mean, here's the problem with these two teams. They can't sustain drives. Dallas converts two third downs, Washington, four out of 12. Like, I don't understand.

That's why there's a million possessions in this game. Washington has 412 yards of total offense. They convert four third downs. It doesn't make any sense. No. That's all the point. I mean, you take away that flicky play and McLaren's got like four grabs for like 22 yards. I mean, it's unbelievable.

Let me ask you this. John, you're a pretty smart guy, I'd say. If you were running a team in the NFL and you were struggling to move the football, you needed to find some playmakers. You've got a guy that. runs consistently one of the fastest, you know, times, anytime the ball's in his hands in Kavanaugh-Turpin for the Dallas Cowboys. How in the hell do you not scheme up plays for him if you're Mike McCarthy? Like reverses. This is that last year a little bit. Like they don't do

anything with him this year. Last week, remember he caught that one slant took it to the house. They never go back to him again. Like you got to get this guy the ball in his hands. What are you doing out here? We got to get, you know, you're fullback involved i mean come on right loopie yeah i'm i don't know enough about his situation but i would say they're they they probably know what they're doing but i give him i give him credit though the cowboys in general again that's what you're supposed to do but i give him credit for for fighting hard uh but yeah dc oh and by the way brian robinson jesus god i mean talk about counterintuitive Are you kidding me?

DC were 10.5 favorites. Brian Robinson looked like a lock, Dowdle looked like a bum, and what happened? Of course, Robinson got hurt twice. I'm like, well, he got hurt early in the game. I'm like, that's it.

Prop's dead. And then he came back and I'm like, still dead. And then he got hurt again. It's unbelievable, unbelievable. So I guess never again on Brian. Brian Robinson because I think I'm like 0 and 3 on Brian Robinson props. Yeah, this game was just bananas. We had missed extra points costing, you know, people games.

And Austin Echler gets knocked out returning a kick. So who knows that he's going to play in their next game. Right. That's it's bananas here. Let's head to the late games. Let's go to the late games here. How about Denver? This is a crazy stat.

They just snapped a, I believe it was an eight game losing streak. They've lost eight straight. in Vegas to the Raiders. They won on Sunday, 2919. Bow Nix, 273 and two throws two touchdown passes to Cortland Sutton. My son picked him up

and started him in an 18 league. He's in with a bunch of like industry guys, kids. And he's like, oh, super flex. He's like, oh, Brock Purdy's out. I got to put somebody in my superflex spot. The only person is Sutton. I'm like, put his ass in. And he came through for him.

How about a guy, Devon Valet? I picked his ass up in a couple of leagues, John. Six for 80, nine targets. Now, Josh Reynolds didn't play in this game, so maybe that has something to do with it. But if you go over to FantasyPoints.com, our guy Doug Orth, who writes a film and data article actually pointed out how bad the Raiders are against the slot. And Valet ate them up today. Six for 80. So if you started them, maybe use them in DFS.

I don't know if it's going to be anything going forward, but Valet has been a really good. really nice, working fine for this team. Yeah, that was in my article as well. Raiders are a slot funnel. Devon Ville could benefit. Also leads the team with a 2.73 YPR. Now, I listed him as a reach, you know, for what it's worth. I also kind of like the Mir Abdullah.

But once again, counterintuitive, you know, Raiders are dead. Jacoby Myers is going to get shut down by Patrick Sartan. Nope. Givante Williams should get the ball. Javante Williams does well when they're in wins. He should get the ball. Negative yardage. And Javante could run for 80 next week.

He could run negative 2, 80, 3, 79, negative 4, 47, negative 20, 120. I mean, that's that's Javante at the end of the year. Unbelievable. Like, whatever, this has been the case more often than, not talk about counterintuitive if the matchup looks bad and things look hopeless stardom if you have a newfound confidence based on current you know recent results and the matchup looks great going in on paper cut them that's where we're at with givante williams it's maddening he's playing a high school team maddening bench him he's going against the steel curtain

start him. 85 bears, start them at RB 1. Yes. For the Raiders, a couple of notes here. Gardner Minsh

heard himself. Looks like it's going to be pretty bad. So welcome to the Desmond Ritter's show for the rest of the year. I don't know how great that is for Myers or Brock Bowers going forward. You know,

and then we talk about the running game here, John. There's Amir Abdullah or, you know, Dylan Lobb and which guy was going to get some touches here. Abdullah. Nothing. We knew that he weren't going to run the ball at all, and nobody did. At least Abdullah, if you had to start him, he caught a receiving touchdown on this game, five for 37 and a score, so he gets that for you.

But I'm with Desmond Ritter in here, forget about it. I mean, Myers, Bowers. Exactly, yeah. Bowers, that'll hurt Bowers probably. But Myers, I mean, I can't believe it. I mean, how in the world? I actually was telling you off the air, came very close to picking up Tucker. he almost scored he almost went off seven for 82 i did play his prop believe it or not it was like

23 yards i'm like oh he's getting that but again again it's it's unbelievable how counterintuitive this week was because i liked tucker because myers was going to get shut down and myers had 10 catches for 121 it's unbelievable like again like almost all counterintuitive well not really in this game otherwise because i'm bow necks i liked and sutton was was going to do well it was actually a poor schematic matchup for him but you know i don't know what i don't know what else is courtland sutton have to do for you at this point you know you got you got to start the guy every year corleton sutton sutton gets crapped down by the fantasy community and all the analysts because they he's older and you know all he does is win contested catches in the

end zone but yeah that's what we want we want guys who score touchdowns with Cortland Sutton has done year after year. Well, if the Raiders are dead, what can we say about the 49ers? They lose 38 to 10 to the Green Bay. By the way, I had a real quick, sorry to cut you off there, but just a reminder,

because I'm still doing it, and so people know it. And again, maybe my, I haven't compared my own rankings to the sites, but I did have Cortland Sutton at Wivesiever 12 this week as a one. I like it.

I also had Jackson Smith and Jigba at 11 this week, and we'll get. to him in a moment. Look at the him, yeah. Well, I don't know where you can put these Green Bay Packer receivers, John, because 58 guys have to get targets. Outside of the top 100. I mean, Christian Watson's dropping wide open 50-yard touchdowns.

You know, the leading receivers, Romeo Dobbs, he caught three balls for 54 yards. It's just, it's all over to place. So it's one of those deals. You start Josh Jacobs because he's awesome. 26 carries, 106. rushing yards, three touchdowns for Jacobs. And, you know, love gets you two touchdowns, throws for a buck 63, which is not great. But you can't start any of these guys any confidence at all.

I mean, I'm convinced at this point they're, they're trolling us at this point. It's, it's absurd. I give up, man. I give up. Their defense has been pretty good. The running game's been great. got to get I mean when I saw

Malik Heath score I'm like that's it that is the final straw let's all ignore them can we exclude them from fantasy it would be nice just just strike them from the board

you can't start them I mean I need that because you know I thought Jaden Reed would get 50 yards today or something. Nope. But that Watson drop was pretty brutal because that was a tutty.

That was a 50-yard touchdown. Oh, yeah. He was doing his best Donavian Wicks impersonation out there. Like, hey, you want to see me drop an easy one? Boop. Crazy. It is brutal, man.

It is brutal. For the 49ers, I mean, listen, they're starting a guy who probably shouldn't be in the NFL with Brandon Allen at quarterback. I don't think the guy's, what, playing three years or something like that,

but he throws us for one, and he does get a touchdown pass to George Kittle. But once we knew Brock Purdy was out, major downgrade to everybody. McCaffrey does nothing, runs for 31 yards. Debo catches one for 21. Joanne Jennings, five for 40. It was really, it was just, if you had Kittle, he came through for you. You held your nose and started him.

But we hope Purdy comes back next week. But, I mean, it's getting dark early for the 49ers, John. Yeah, it really is. I mean, I did see a couple of burst runs by McCaffrey for what it's worth because I was very worried about him. But, you know, it might be too little too late because he still came up small. I mean, you got, you got nine points here, guys, from the number one pick that you waited two and a half months to use. I mean, it's terrible. Meanwhile, again, counterintuitively, five years ago, George Kittle was called George Brittle.

you couldn't count on George Kittle. Now, Iron Man. He's like Tony G. Like impervious. Well, yeah, I know he missed time last week,

but, you know, I'm being a little hyperbolic here, but geez, it's just unbelievable. And Debo, you know,

it's funny, I didn't notice it, but Graham Barfield was talking about, he ain't heavy. He's my brother. No. He looked a little,

heavy and I'm like uh-oh because because debo does he does have a tendency to balloon up a little bit so maybe that explains the lack of production but yeah I mean Debo barely outproduced Kyle use check today I mean it's it's bad but I do think they're going to get uh the Brockness monster back or at least they're hoping to get them back next week that's the latest report yeah they're struggling they've got injuries all over the offensive line they got injuries on defense it's just it's one of those things they've played a lot of games over the last few years did San Francisco, and it takes a toll on the bottom.

We got Buffalo this week. Good luck. Yeah, they're done. I'm proclaiming it now. They're dead. You know what? National Fake You Out League. San Francisco wins that game by 15.

Let's just call it right now. True. That's true. Mark the tape. That's true. Final game we're going to talk about here on the podcast. Seattle. How about this?

We've been talking the last few weeks about the first place Cardinals. That's no more. First place belongs to the Seattle. Seahawks it. six and five. But hey, first place is first place. As Gino throws for two 54 and a touchdown to JSN, we've set it on the show last few weeks. They've changed the offense. It's DK. It's JSN. Leads the team in targets, leads the team in receptions and yards, six for 77. So good on you if you're still rolling with JSN. You know, tough one for DK Metcalf, only 59 yards, John.

And, you know, Ken Walker, he got your 54 yards or 52 yards received. I should say. So that helped his day a little bit. But is this guy ever going to score a touchdown again? Come on, Kenny Walker. I need you. You had Charbonnet out there getting a decent amount of play here. I guess not that much.

Walker looked good as always. Yeah, this one here. I'm going to read this because this is just what I'm talking about here counterintuitively. Now, I did love Chey McBride in this game came through. I had

and Ziph and Jigba as a matchup to exploit and Walker. Good calls, all that. But man, this one here, Seattle gives up the third most rushing yards a game to running backs, and the Cardinals have generated the fourth most adjusted yards

before contact per attempt, and the Seahawks defense allows the fifth most adjusted yards before contact. The Seahawks have been a little bit better against the run last couple of weeks but on the season they have allowed the second most yards per carry and the third highest success rate on opposing man and gap concepts and 72% of connor's run rush attempts have come on those concepts most in the league so it's a great schematic matchup

for conners coming off his best performance of the year looking good with the cardinals currently a negative 5% pass rate over expectation so we're looking good with connor let's check the results yard of carry. I mean, it's unbelievable, worthless in the run. I mean, granted, it's only seven carries, but this is what I'm saying like, wow, I mean, I could have just ignored all the data points and said bench James Connor, but I wouldn't, why would I do that? I mean, it's just unbelievable. So another example of how the National Fake You Out League was in full effect. This was Arizona not being able to sustain drive. And you guys wonder, well, why does Drake always talk about the third down numbers?

Because third down efficiency is what separates good teams from bad teams. And when you only convert three of 12, you can't sustain drives. If you're not sustaining drives, that's less opportunities for your players to make fantasy plays on the field. Kyler Murray. And your options with Kyler are always going to be limited in that regard because that's Kyler. Who to hell knows? I mean, he peppered Trey McBride, who still can't catch a receiving touchdown. 15 targets 12 for 133 a guy Michael Wilson had a couple of big plays down the field but Marvin

Harrison Jr. kind of stunk it up want want want want won I mean come on yeah yeah I think kailer only runs for nine yards by the way so crap to bed for you it was once again just I was apologizing two weeks ago now I'm back although I mean 24 37 he was okay but he wasn't because you guys scored six points and you didn't get a touchdown. And you ran for nine yards. And you crushed Marvin Harrison, basically. So back to the drawing board. Once a week, somebody, I mean, what do you think of Kyler?

How about this one? I don't know. How about that? I have no idea. Yeah, who knows? And we'll see next week when Arizona plays your Minnesota Vikings. So we'll see what Kyler can do. You know he's going to go off for 400.

Marvin Howard. I said on a live stream this morning, I'm like, guys, the Vikings don't stop opposing number ones. They suck. So you're welcome. Marvin Harrison gets 100 this week. You're welcome. Next week, Thanksgiving week, full slate.

We've got three games on Thursday. We've got a Black Friday game. big Sunday slate and a Monday nighter. If you're watching this podcast or you're watching your feed for it, you'll find us somewhere. In some form, there'll be a preview show. Guru and I have to figure it out and how we're going to do it. But you'll have some form of a preview for week. We might not have the Thursday games.

We might not have the Thursday games. Because by the way, you know what? I can preview the Thursday games right here. because the games kind of stink and I don't oh no I guess I can't because apparently my place where I get my where I go is just like dead uh never mind bears lions what that start everybody let's go start all your lions I don't know I don't know I don't know actually I don't know start your lions yes start your lions start your lions but don't we have some other crappy games. Giants, Cowboys. Get ready for that one at 4.30.

Oh, God. And then I like the night game. The night game's Dolphins Packers. It's going to be in Green Bay, which means the dolphins will do nothing because it'll be four degrees outside. But that could be a fun one. And then the Black Friday game, oh God, Desmond Ritter and the Raiders at the Chiefs. Oh, my God. Didn't the Raiders beat them last year? They did on Christmas. Yeah.

So who knows. That's the National Fake You Out League, as we always say, John. Who freaking knows? Yep. Yeah, there's some good ones next week there. We got Eagles, Ravens. It should have been a good one, 49ers, Bills. I'm sure game of the day will end up being Colts Patriots.

But that's why we love the NFL. That's why we play fantasy football. And that's where we're so glad you guys hang out with us every single week. So let's close her down here, John. For The Guru, I'm Brian Drake. We'll see you next time. Have a great Thanksgiving. If we don't see you before then, guys,

it's the Fantasy Points Podcast.