Fantasy Football Daily - Yards Created | FT Graham Barfield (@GrahamBarfield)

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

Dynasty Points must-watch episode with Fantasy Points' own Graham Barfield (@grahambarfield). He brings his revolutionary Yards Created back this year, giving Dynasty Points the first preview. Dynasty fantasy football can be challenging to get an edge in, but with Graham Barfield, you get a unique, in-depth look at the 2024 running back class. (0:00) - Intro (4:45) - How did Yards Created come about? (7:35) - How are Yards Created determined? (9:25) - Trey Benson is RB1 of the 2024 class? (10:44) - Jonathan Brooks is RB2, but by how much? (12:00) - Sorting out the RB ranks (19:00) - What do we do with Blake Corum? (25:00) - The Running Back landscape has pushed the top end of the position extremely high in drafts (30:00) - Rounding out the top 5: Marshawn Lloyd, Jaylen Wright, Audric Estime (38:00) - MarShawn Lloyd has the largest range of outcomes (43:30) - Where are you taking Rookie Running Backs in Startup Drafts (45:00) - Jakob makes a fool of himself about Javonte Williams (48:10) - Braelon Allen thoughts (52:20) - Will Shipley breakdown (1:02:00) - Sleeper Running Backs (Jaleel McLaughlin, Israel Abanikanda, Dillon Johnson, Isaac Guerendo, Frank Gore Jr.) (1:07:00) - Quick Audric Estime Breakdown (1:08:30) - Closing out the show --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/fantasy-points-podcast/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're back to our regular scheduled programming. Back to a Tuesday. We had the bonus episode with Scott on Friday. Go and listen to that. We had JJ last week as well. The run to the draft continues again today with a bit of a different approach to the 24 presumably terrible rookie running back class. If you missed it today, Scott Barrett's 24.

pre-NFL draft rookie tight-end dynasty rankings article dropped for free because we are psychos at fantasy points.com and only want the best for you. This man poured probably 90,000 words into this article and some poor soul had to edit it. So be sure, go over and check this article out. It's everything you need to know about the tight ends this year. I, of course, and your host with the most Thomas in hands, I am Thomas. You can find me at El Nostra Thomas. And my fun fact of the day with WrestleMania just finishing this last weekend, I hold three victories over another company's co-owner in Kenny Omega of A.E.W.

I'm Jacob Sanderson. And my fun fact today is that the Astrodome, the legendary Astrodome, first place ever to use AstroTurf, officially opened. at its first baseball game played on this day, April 9th and 1965. Oh, damn. Nice. I'm Lucas Gilbert. You find me on tour at L. Gilbert FF.

My fun fact, speaking of Astro, is that the next solar, or, yeah, solar eclipse, lunar eclipse, solar eclipse is going to be August 12, 2045. And I've been very lucky to be pretty much in the direct path of the past two. So that's been, that's been cool, but not the next one. that once will I be way out west. And I'm Graham, joining these lovely gentlemen tonight. I was just in Thailand, so I figured I'd bring a Thai fun fact. Damn right. I found out that the Thai alphabet has 44 consonant symbols.

They have 16 vowels. So there's a total of 32 vowel forms. And basically, depending on where you're at, I found that it's kind of like the north and the south in America. There's definitely, you know, dialects in the way things are said. So a lot of difference. and just such a small little country. Quite enjoyed that.

That's crazy, man. How you were still finding a way to, like, get any work done while you were over? I saw you, like, tweeting about the draft class while you were over. That's like, why are you working right now, man? The grind doesn't stop. You're addicted to the grind, girl. Dude, we had auto renew during, during my trip. So we had a busy time.

It was a good time, great time, though. Yeah, I'm glad you get it out. The way they have you working like a dog is probably just felt nice to, us disconnect at least a little bit while you are out there, you know, and shout out to the girlfriend for being okay with you working while you were on vacation. I, there's no shot. That would be going to down. I had to lay it out a little bit. I was like, look, we're going to have to pull aside a little bit, but for the most part, I'm going to be able to get away. The wedding was great, though. We got our long time friends married. We've been friends with these people for like 15 years,

and since like middle school and high school. So it's a good time. I love that. Look, we've already got a quick question. Andrew, sit around towards the end. We're going to answer as many questions as we can fit in. I'm sure one of us here will have a sleeper for you. That won't be just the same one. I keep mentioning

every single show who will likely end up being a bust anyway, but I'm going to draft them. No matter what, okay, let's dive into it. So obviously, the fantasy world was sad. When yards created didn't enter everyone's inbox this last year,

A lot of things change And when I tell you, I mean it Discord that I have been in It felt like a yards created day Where everyone was speculating why it wasn't coming out So everyone's really excited That knows about yards created But can you tell people who may not be as familiar with it

Or may not even be familiar with where the idea came from Sure, yeah It was like losing a limb last year Not being able to do yards created I lost my film source and then it was like really late in the year and I just had a lot of stuff going on and just kind of had to push back. But yeah, man, it's back. Yards Crater is back. This will be the seventh draft class I've done in the last eight years.

I'm going to go back and back chart 2023, which is exciting too. So all, yeah, we'll have the full data probably by June. But Yards Created is basically my attempt at not divorcing running back play from offensive lines, but better. understanding it. And the way I think and the way I try to explain yards created is it's very simple. You know, PFF, sports and flow solutions, everybody's tracking yards after contact. But after contact, yards are just that. It's just what happens if a running back gets touched by the line of scrimmage. If a defender touches them, yards created is basically a way to think of second level yards or basically what happens after running back forces a mistackle. And the way I think of it is like,

For example, I was actually just watching finishing up, Audrick Estime yesterday. And I was just thinking to myself, man, he just doesn't make very many guys missed behind the line of scrimmage. But then there's guys in this class like Jalen Wright, who's like making jump cuts behind the line of scrimmage. And in PFF terms, you wouldn't get really any after contact yards for that. It does assign yards for basically what happens if you force a mistackle by elusiveness, by speed, or basically what happens when you get to the second level and your, you know, one-on-one at a linebacker. you're going to get tackled. For zero yards crater, you're going to get behind the guy.

That's basically the nuts and bolts of yards created. I watch every carry. I will say it's gotten a lot better going back. Thinking back, 16, 20, 17 days with dudes, are getting like 300 carries. It's definitely a lot easier to watch Marshawn Lloyd's 100 carries, I'll say. That being said, though, this is a wide open running back. Was it like 45% of your charting this year was just Blake Horms carries?

And then the other thing? Yeah, he definitely took the longest. And I'm going to go back and rewatch pre-k knee injury, 2020, I guess that would be. But yeah, he definitely took the longest. And he's, you know, he's like the only guy in this class with like a legitimately full production profile. But it's a wide open class and I'm excited to talk to you guys about it today. Awesome. Can I ask a question too? Is Yards created exclusively additive or if someone makes like an egregious decision? And And like there's a lane. Someone could go through for whatever reason.

They bounce it outside like a dumbass. They get tackled for two yard loss. Do you, can you have yards uncreated? Yes. Yeah, I chart uncreated yards as well. It doesn't usually go more than like two. There's been a few egregious ones where there's like four or five yards lost. But yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think that was. For Trey Benson against Florida. How many yards did he uncreat? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a few, man. He has a few space cadet moments every game. game. He was actually the first guy I thought about too. He's probably the one guy. If I went back and through my charts and then just looked at negative yards, created plays, he probably would have

them. But he also has probably some of the most explosion. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that's phenomenal. I think it's important to know because a lot of people talk about, well, if he had this old line or oh, everything can be attributed to this offensive line when really it's, it's really not that that cut and dry. I think we it's it's definitely not. And it's a totally different game in college. I mean, we forget that the hashes are just massively spaced out. It's a totally different space game. Teams are using a lot more gap concepts in terms of blocking. You know, tip, you see a lot of gap. And, you know, obviously the Rams ran a ton of duo with great success last year. But you'll see just so much more gap because, you know, the defensive ends just have

so much more space to operate, you know, see offensive lines using a lot more creative and different concepts than the one of the NFL. And, you know, I will mention it off the top. pretty much all these teams are going to committee backfield. So it's kind of also making a sample size a little bit smaller. But this is a fun class, man. I do think it's a fun class. At the top, I got Trey Benson and RB1. I've been going back and forth on this for quite some time.

I think Benson just makes the most sense at the top. You were mentioning, Jacob, that he had some just, like, wildly, like, space cadet plays. Or it's just like... And for the record, I have him RB1 as well. So acknowledging that he, like, loses his mum. mind a couple of times of the game. I really like. Yeah. It's just like he blanks out a couple of times a game. He just like forgets where he's going. But when he knows where he's going, it's awesome.

He is a typical, like prototypical one-cut slasher kind of running back. He reminds me of Travis E.TN the way he wins. One-cut speed, get up field. Obviously, Florida State ran a ton of the Penn and Pole, you know, gap stuff. Travis E.T.N. is awesome. Pen and pull gap. But, you know, obviously, you know, I think 22 Benson was probably slightly better. In terms of elusiveness, he didn't score overly well in my numbers, just 0.28 missed tackles force per attempt. But like I said, really strong yards created, especially given the context of the offense. And Fort State's offensive line was really good.

But Benson is my RB1 in this class. After that, I've got John Brooks at RB2. Brooks super, super elusive. Obviously doesn't have like the big speed, the big home run speed like Trey Benson does, but the vast majority of his mis-tackles that I charted were by elusiveness. Very, very quick feet, quick cuts.

We're talking about guys that can create yards behind the line of scrimmage in Brooks is certainly one of them. Thomas, where do you have Brooks? And how do you have the top of this class right now? So for myself, I have, I have Brooks one. Nice.

Because I really believe modern technology, the injury that he suffered, I don't think is as destructive as maybe it might have been in the past. And Brooks feels like the guy that isn't really hampered by system dependency. Like you said, Repenson is that one cut kind of guy. There are some systems you just don't want him in to function well.

I think Brooks is the guy that you have to coach the least. when healthy. I feel like he's the most kind of sit him in and plug and play and he can kind of do all the things at least okay, if not great. So less, like you said, less of the explosiveness, maybe less of the true 1A back size because there's no such thing as bell cow size anymore.

You're either 1A or 1B size. Like there is, there's like five teams that run the workhorse. So you've got to fall into that. But two is Benson for me. I just, there is a lot of yards left on the table, like you said, which is why I can't wait to really put that onto a page. So those are, those are my one and two. As for the rest, I've kind of just, draft capital is going to decide it for me at this.

Like, I don't know. Like this is a very difficult class. Like you said, you like right, but yet his, the amount of bodies in the box for him in that offense really, he saw. the most open field off snap, like off rip, he got the most wide open looks almost as any back in the class because that offense is a bit of a,

it's a gimmicky offense. I'm, I'm interested to hear how Lucas has the top of this class right now because Lucas is the Devi college guy. We're speaking his language right now. So I have very much standard

dynasty brain on this. So I'd like to know Lucas, how do you have the top end of this class. So just to provide a little bit more context with Jalen Wright's against the box and numbers. Right. He doesn't run against the box like with a whole bunch of men in the box just routinely. So I would take that with a grain of salt.

I'm very happy wherever he has open grass of front of him. He absolutely just eats. And you were talking about a one cut runner. That's that's Jalen Wright too. With the top of the class, I'm still going with Benson and. Brooks. And then it's just whoever you like that comes to your pick, you just pick up whichever ones left because there's a lot of fairly good running backs that you can throw into that next

tier. With Trey Benson, I'm looking at him. And he just reminds me so much of D'Andre Swift. And I don't know if that's good or bad. We've liked some of D'Andre Swift's career. we have liked that he is a fantastic athlete who happens to play running back and we just want to see the ball in his hands more. I have a feeling we're going to be saying that a lot about Trey Benson too and then go and look at his PFF grade and just shy away a little bit because it's going to be a lot of red. But, you know, that's just part of what it is.

I've really struggled, though, with coming up with a comp for Jonathan Brooks. And part of me is a little bit nervous because Texas has. as just a really good offense. They're really good about scheming holes for their runners. And I know he's not the second coming of Bijon Robinson. Right. He's just not, even though his numbers look very similar. So he makes me just a little nervous.

But right now I just can't come up with a comp forum. And then it's going to be kind of a tier of Jalen Wright, Marshawn Lloyd. And just because I want to make sure I say his name as somebody. I am definitely targeting. I say, oh my goodness, I can't talk tonight. Isaac Garindo.

That's another person who, all of his metrics look good. You guys both love this Garando guy, hey. Yes. I don't even have in my top. I don't have them. I don't have them.

I don't have them my overall 200. I'm not succumbing to the wind. Not, not sort of running backs, obviously. Players. You know, it's going to be terrible to watch you

end up on the wrong side of history, my friend. He like never got the ball. I have Benson one, but I have Brooks, like, literally not only one spot behind in my running back ranks or even my overall running back ranks but like in my overall dynasty so like it's literally i have them back to back so it's

almost a meaningless distinction i did i did my ranks in two stages this year where i went first film grade only and then went to like building in the rest of the production profile and it ended up being like three stages with benson and brooks where i had a slightly higher film grade on benson then incorporating sort of the rest of the analytical profile i like brooks a little bit more and then incorporating the he doesn't have a leg i went back to benson a little bit more so like but i wanted to try and like ignore the acl first because i wanted to try and narrow down like exactly how much of this ranking comes down to the acl and it comes down a bit i'm excited to hear you still eye on benson though because like i have a type at running back which benson is very much of and like i've

always been a very big Travis etienne guy and i've made this similar comp i think even like on the show last week. And, you know, a lot of film analysts have not been in, loudly, not been fans of Travis T's the end in the past either. So, hearing you come in and at least, like, validate what I'm seeing on Benson has been great because the podcast cycle on this show and on other shows that I've gone on as, like, the Benson believer. I felt like I've had to be in, like, a defensive stance whenever I bring him up to some people because he's mistake prone. And, I mean, I agree he's mistake prone. But I see. so much more creative juice in the open field in terms of not just being able to make guys miss

or break tackles, but capitalizing on that into actual home runs. Like not just turning, like, I feel like a lot of the evasion metrics we look at in the community are metrics to talk about turning five-yard runs into 10-yard runs or 10-yard runs into 20-yard runs. And I think Benson does really well at that, but I think he does better than anybody in this class, the possible exception of Jalen Wright, is turn five-yard runs into 50-yard runs and turn into touchdowns, you know, on any occasion. And I think that that hopefully, in my view, gives them more fantasy outs even in the receiving game where I don't see him as like a route runner, but I see him as a guy that if I was

coaching and I had trade vinson on my team, I would throw him to and get him out there with a convoy and see what happens. Yeah, I mean, he's just got the calling card of speed. And, you know, I don't think anybody else in this class really has that. That being said, though, you made a point, you know, it's the fire. yard runs into 10 yard runs. It's not just that. It's like the two yard runs that he turns into four because he's got such good contact balance and he's constantly fighting for extra yards. I think Josh Norris calls it hidden yards. I love that. He is the king of hidden yards in this class, Tray Benson. For every one run though that he has where it's just like, okay, you're a space cadet, there's like four where it's like, holy shit. His understanding of how to like set up blocks, especially in pinpole and, you know, if there's just one puller, like man, he has so. He has so. He has so. such good patience and he's just like electric in the open field like he's gone once he gets a little bit of grass jalen wright has that too um and those are like the two guys if you want to like earmark

in this class that have the home run ability the one guy who doesn't is is blake quorum to me um i'm not even going to have quorum in my top five man like interesting yeah yeah man um three point three yards created per attempt second worst in my database. How much of the 20? Is that all 2023 or is any of that 2022? All of 2023. Yeah, I'm going to go back and back chart 22. Just I want to know the comparison.

Probably will be after the draft because I won't have time. Yeah. Yeah, Corum, really poor yards created per attempt 3.35, 0.15, nistackles force for attempt. Second worst all time in my database since 2016. Yeah, it's a rock. Dave doesn't like that one.

He's a big quorum guy. It's rough. He's just, he's a one speed type runner, and I did not see a whole lot of elusiveness from him. He's 205. He's got good contact balance for his size, but he doesn't run with a lot of power. The speed on the edge is good. I think he'll be okay in like outside zone stuff, but again, he's, he's very undersized. I think he just benefited from an awesome offensive one. My numbers are kind of showing that too. My pitch for quorum, and I'm, you know, I'm somewhere between, like we had Noah on a lot. while ago who has quorum rb one and you have most of the top five i'm somewhere in the middle i have um rb three but i in tier two it's right um i have two and then two and then a group of the rest and my pitch would be that his 22 numbers on his evasion rate on his explosive rate are much higher than his 2020 number he's playing in 2023 off a significant um and what does maintain to me when i watch both years is that i'm at least in my opinion he just consistently makes really good decisions and really has an understanding of where the play's supposed to go,

diagnoses it correctly. I think he's a guy that coaches will really like. I enjoy sort of the cerebral aspect of his tape. I agree. Like I had him in what he ends up below Brooks and Benson, even just in my film grading was, yeah, like I have a really low mark for him on contact evasion. I have a really low mark for him on speed,

especially in the open field. And I think he's athletically limited. the question is how much of that is the injury, how much of that is just him to me? Because if it's the injury, that's at least a big part of that, then I think you have potential to just really live out of career as a really strong rusher,

even if the rest of the game is a little bit limited, if it's all just who he is now, or if it is the injury, but he's just never getting better from the injury, which is also possible, then you're dealing with a guy who, yeah, maxes out as a college running back and will be a great running back coach.

Yeah, I think you're right. He's a good, I feel good enough, all around player that he'll be somebody that coaches like but fantasy players hate like i can see a mapping out a devon singletary esk type career in the nfell where everyone's just kind of annoyed by him you feel like he's holding some running back that we really like back but he's just productive enough to kick around because he can pass pro you can you can do all the little things that coaches just talk about you know first guy in last guy out real lunch pail kind of guy they're in mild gascon comp by the way the other day That one really hit for me, actually. Oh, wow.

God, they are so similar. And they're so, they both are so undersized, too. Underwhelming and undersized is not a great. It's like really productive college prospects. Yeah. Who played like a long time and like undersized and like probably know how to play the position better than they're able to play the potential. Yeah, it's like their brains are better than their athletic ability.

I will say, I mean, Korm did have a decent like combine though. I mean, for his size. Yeah, he ran a decent three call in like 90th percentile, I think, from a moon night. So it just didn't show up on tape, though. So with Blake Corum, whenever I'm looking at him, especially with the 2022 tape, and just the way we're all kind of feeling moving for it after a combine, after a senior year, seeing that dip in production, if there's a running back who's most likely going to be the next Kyrim Williams, because that's all everybody's talking about

is, oh, I got to find the guy that they leave for dead and rookie drafts. and I can pick him up off the scrap heap. I think Blake Corum has the best chance to do that. We're not going to be looking at similar draft capitals, I don't think. He also has much better size for his height than Kyron Williams did. But just the general feeling from the fantasy community about where they have Blake quorum versus what he was able to do when healthy, that's who I'm kind of liking him to as potentially becoming that kind of running back.

So he's not left for dead. Yes, I'm drafting Jalen Wright. I'm drafting Marshawn Lloyd over him. But he is definitely someone that I'm looking to pick up, especially if you can get him at the end of the second round. The problem is, is there's still a possibility that he goes to a nut spot and gets... Yeah, he's a charger.

We all know he's going to be a charger. But that's... Future L.A. Charger Blachorn. I am trying to not just hand that to him, but what's... What scares me is that he can go there and he's just going to get moved up so far up in your rookie drafts that it becomes scary to pick him even in that spot, in my opinion. But it shows it's a testament to the class, right? If you look at Dynasty Data Lab's ADP, the first rookie running back off the board isn't coming until the eighth round.

Jonathan Brooks is the first running back off the board for rookies. And it's the end, it's the last pick of the eighth round. Yeah. Some of that is people coming around to me and being a zero R.B bro and just never investing in running backs ever again. We've all been burned too many damn times. We're still getting like Kyron Williams is going in the fourth round, A-chan, ETN's still going in the fourth.

Barclays move back up into the fifth. Like people are buying running backs right now at a rate that is kind of unusual, considering how bad the dynasty landscape is with running backs, right now? I think it's just pushed up, I think it's pushed up the extremely valuable top-in guys to a point where...

That makes sense. Where it's like, you know, become a scarcity thing. Two, arguably three, arguably four of those. Yeah,

exactly. Yeah, I was thinking about... Really valuable. Like, I, like, the only running backs I want to roster in Dynasty right now in,

like the top area of drafts, like, I'm totally willing to pay out big time for Breezy on, like, 100% now. But like, I don't really,

and I mean, I've been like a Travis CTN guy my whole life. But like, I don't really want to live in like the E.T.N. Walker, Kiron range of Dinus particularly. I don't know that I want to expend that much capital. I don't know what to do with Achan because like he just, I don't know, like, what, like, what, what's, what am I to do with this profile? Like, like, he's, like, it's the reason why I normally don't want to invest in that level of asset is usually that's an asset where we're talking about, like, not a ceiling that's that substantial. There's all these running backs

that go way, way lower that are way, way cheaper. You can get. you know, you're Aaron Jones, Joe Mix and James Connor, all these guys totally for free. So why would I pay up for ETN at a first round value? With HN, like, the ceiling is not in question. The question is like, will he play three consecutive games? Like, can't he sustain this on a workload? So I have no idea with him. He lives in his own world.

But the rest of these running back in that tier, I agree. Like, I want to be basically getting like one of Brace or Bjeon on any team and then just like three dustball and kind of cold a day. Yeah. I would throw Gibbs in that Bijon, Brees. Yeah, that's fair. They're not in the tier. They're not in the same tier. I don't think.

I think you're right there, but I would throw Gibbs in that. And that's it. I was thinking about this in the shower today. I was like, man, there's like the last eight years, six, seven years, like, really the only running back that is consistently held value throughout that time is Christian McCaffrey. And like, there was obviously some major, major, you know, red flags and down points in that time. But Lucas, you brought up Karen Williams as a comp for, Corum, and I think in terms of size and athleticism, it makes sense.

But I went back through and looked at my charting. Cameron Williams literally doubled up, Corum in terms of Mistakless Force Per Attempt, 0.28 to 0.15. So nearly doubled them up. I mean, that was the most shocking thing to me with Corum. Because, I mean, I'm not a huge college football fan, but obviously watched a ton, watched Corum in 2022. And when I watched him and charted him, you know, as intimate as I get, you know, watching each play, that was the thing that stood out to me the most.

And maybe the most surprising thing of this class is like, I really think that injury just robbed him in. And you mentioned it, Jacob, that there's a chance that's just who he is now. And if that's the case, like, we really just need to kind of like readjust. Yeah. And that's, it sucks.

The whole is that the combine suggests maybe it's not, right? Yeah. Like if you're, I mean, maybe it's two rose color glasses. But if we have the 2022 film, which is pretty promising, 2023 film, which is a bit of a bummer. And then we have combined data that doesn't

that's the 2023 film hopefully you know we have some progression and health between january and april and um i guess i just i find it hard not to root for corm because i like players like that like i feel like a player who you know consistently makes good decisions who is like been the bell cow for their team um seems like it really like high character does whatever you want gets the dirty yards type of guy it's impossible for me not to root for that guy to succeed he's a winner so you know hopefully hopefully it happens for him but you never know well the other thing too interesting with the kairn and the quorum is kairn wasn't left for dead until the combine like his agent should have just told him not to run

yeah and then people still would have loved kairn williams he only got shot down boards and left for dead because his combine was just so so bad yeah four six five right four six five he's like one nine yeah it was terrible and then he got this is one thing that scares me about the draft class, right? Is this draft class has us chasing some outliers. Like, A. Chan's an outlier. He just is, right? Size, whatever. But his production plus his usage is outlier-esque.

With his situation, you get Kyron falling into just an unbelievable Todd Gurley workload. Just out of nowhere that no one expected. And I feel like people are going to chase that now. But with Corum, it's kind of the other way. around where we saw his film, people kind of like him. And like Jacob just said, his combine is actually giving us hope. So it's kind of a tale of two spectrums in the combine battle. Who's the rest of your top five, Benz?

Because we talk about Benz, we talk about Brooks. Corn's not in it. Who are your other three? Yeah. Yeah. So I've got Benson Brooks. I like Marshawn Lloyd, man. I got him at three.

I got Wright, Jalen Wright at four and an estimate at five. You know what I really like about you, Graham, is like, Of the running back film community, you like the fun players more than everybody else. You do. Hey, look, I'm always for fun. No, it's the truth. You do. Like, the guys that have, like, really fun physical traits who create home run plays and

they score well. And home runs. Like, like, and the ones who like, you know, you'll get like finger wagged by some people, be like, this guy, like, rent through the B gap. You always like these guys. That always gives me hope. It makes you believe in a better world. Look, I don't give the shit if you ran through the wrong gap.

If you got a 30-yard gain, you turned a three-yard play into 30 yards. That was the whole reason I like Kenneth Walker. It's like, okay, yeah, sure, you bounce to our outside, whatever, whatever. But he ran past three dudes. Like, yeah, I mean, those guys are always going to score well in yards created simply just because the way I charted. And that's why I'm always like caping up for those guys. So for like every Kenneth Walker, there's always going to be Rashad Penny where he's like, yeah, he was running through massive holes, but yeah, he was also beasting dudes in the open

field and, like, he was fun. Like, Rashad Penny was good. He just, like, couldn't say healthy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you want to talk about a guy with no legs. That's Rashad Penny at this point. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing, Marshaun Lloyd is fun. Like, Jalen Wright is fun.

It's okay to write like fun players. And I think with Lloyd, the thing that stood out to me most is obviously just 115 carries, USC, they were like the ninth, eighth, eighth most pass-heavy team in college football last year. They only had 10 or more carries in four and 11 games. Like every single time he got the ball, that dude was like not only was he elusive, not only does he have great speed. Like he was seeking out contact. If he had to lower his head and get more yards, he was going to get it. I mentioned hidden yards with Tray Benson.

I think Marshall and Lloyd is probably number two in hidden yards in this class. Fantastic yards created score. 5.66 yards created per attempt. He's going to leave this class in this. tackles forced per attempt by a mile Marshaun Lloyd. Yeah, loved him. But again, it just comes back to, okay, he's kind of 117 carries. He's a transfer from South Carolina. So he's basically just a one-year starter. The tape was great. The tape was awesome. The yards creative figures are really strong. I have no idea where this dude's going to get drafted. Like, I think some teams could be like,

look, he's only got 117 carries on his odometer. We see that as a positive. Some teams might view that as a negative. I would have like a late day two grade on Lloyd if I did grades, but I could see him being a fourth or fifth round pick too just because this class is this class. But Marshawn Lloyd's my three writes my my four estimates five. And you could you could debate me on Estimate versus quorum. I'm not I'm not super stoked on estimate. I think it's just a more of where I'm at with this class. But I really I really did enjoy Jalen. Right. Again, small sample, not a ton of carries, you know, obviously he has the game-breaking, erasives, you know, angle erasing speed. But, man, his full speed one-cut jukes are sick.

Like you were mentioning it a minute ago, like, okay, yeah, sure, he had a really good offensive line, like, by my metrics, third best offensive line in this class so far. And really, really close to Blake Corrin, by the way, who Michigan had the second best offensive line. So, yeah, line was great. That being said, though, man, I mean, he got green space in one-on-one situation. like he is he's getting past that guy um really good i think in past protection too sneakishly good that's going to earn him earn him reps um one thing i forgot to mention with blake quorum that i wanted

to talk about is he's the best pass protection uh guy in past protection this class uh by my scores too so if you want to put you know kind of a little bit of a green flag on something that might get him some snaps early that's you know past protection for quorum because most of these guys what does that help bet in on the blake quorum mythos right like it's just of course he's Yeah, of course he's good at that. He seems to me like he was probably Harbaugh's like coach's pet. Like he probably just like everywhere he went. Yeah, man, Jalen Wright is curious though.

Obviously he's gotten steamed here a little bit, really coming up in Dynasty ADP. But, I mean, I still think he's relatively cheap to a point where there's still a good bit of upside left. My take on right is that it'll be, I think he's one that I'm a little bit more scheme dependent and draft capital dependent on the others because I just think naturally like of the three backs I consider somewhat of a similar type like him and Benson and Lloyd who are all these like really

athletically gifted running backs who don't have as many college carries on their resume as you'd like to see projecting a workload. I would say right is the one absent any other knowledge about draft capital about you know team whatever is the one that naturally I feel the most concerned about getting a full workload just in terms of like what I see and how they play and the size aspects of it. So to me, it's a matter of like, can he be in this, either, either does he just get drafted in the second round, which he would be a team saying like, we disagree with you and we think he can't handle a work?

All right, wheels up. Or does he go to a scheme where I think he's going to be used in a way that he can score a ton of fantasy points per touch, you know, in kind of like a Miami type of mold work we saw with Achan last year where, you know, it was like borderline projectable that his potential to score, like a ridiculous amount of fantasy points per touch was in there. And I think with Wright, where that comes down to me at least, and maybe you disagree, I think once he gets ahead of steam and he's in the open field for a guy who, and I know he weighed at like 215, I don't think he played it that way, but I see a guy like in the open field.

I think what's the head of steam is pretty impressive power. Like he can actually run with a really impressive amount of physicality with linebackers or second level secondary defenders. I think when he gets stifled at the line of scrimmage, in like the occasional reps where there's actually a crowd at the line of scrimmage between the 5-0 linemen and 3D linemen. I think he runs with very little power in those scenarios. And so I think like to me, if I'm a team employing Jalen Wright, I want him to be like

the outside zone half of my committee, get a full head of steam, go run, make things happen on the outside, toss him some swing passes, toss them some screen passes, all that jazz. And I agree with you. I've heard differing reviews on his pass protection. I had him graded pretty positively as a pass protector, at the very least is a willing pass protector, and I think he has totally fine hands. So I think with Wright, I'm a little more scheme dependent.

With Lloyd, it's like I don't know if he has the cerebral aspect of the game down to be a reliable 20-carry per game guy, but I think he has the physical ability to. So I think like if theoretically he got coached up or if he landed with a coach who, you know, prefers someone where the hits out way the misses, I think it could work. I think it's a little more coach dependent. With the right, I just don't know, like, if he's a guy that you want,

taking a ton of inside carries, if that's an appropriate way to use a skill set. Yeah, and I think it's one of the ways he was used to, like Tennessee, like you mentioned, man. I mean, they just were running into space. You know, it's a part of their scheme, obviously so spread heavy. But also, I mean, they just were never under center. So it was a big part of it, too. So there's a little bit of like selection bias, I think, going on with the Tennessee offense. And not only never under center.

like they rarely use a tight end. The receiver split like two feet from the boundary. Like it's just it's literally like five o linemen, whatever the defense throws, it's usually five guys to match. And it's like, do you win your blocks? Yeah. Just go crazy. Yeah.

Well, when you get these light fronts now all, and it's the right move, all these coaches are just like, screw it. We're just going to have a flood. We're just going to run a flood basically pin and pull on every single play and just basically clean these dudes out on the edge because, I mean, there's just, there's no one there. I will say your point on Marshawn Lloyd in terms of like overall completeness as a prospect is completely fair. I think of the of the six guys we've talked about tonight. Like he's probably the guy who has the widest range of outcomes like I was mentioning. Some ball security concerns too with him, right?

Yeah. And I usually don't care too much about that. Yeah. I was going to. But when you have a situation like where it's like Marshall Lloyd and he's never really carried the load that often, I do think it does matter a little bit more. Um, That being said, though, I mean, the physical traits with him just stood out immediately. You know, you can watch two games and just you're like, holy shit, this guy's like, in terms of physical ability, like there's no question. It's just, I think everybody besides Benson and honestly, just Benson to me, really, everybody in this class is way more draft capital dependent than I felt about any class before.

To me, honestly, this class reminds me a lot of the 2014 group that was like just, it was Bishop Sanky class and like everybody hyped up Sanky because he's, got pushed up the board, but like he was trash anyway. Like I think this class is a little better than that, but it's, it's very similar. Well, I think this class is more role dependent than I think previous before. Like when you say, uh, you know, ball security concerns, you know, not really something that matters that it matters that much if Marshaun Logue is in the fourth

or fifth round and he chokes it up a couple of times and the coaches go, you're done, sit down. I think it matters a little bit more. fourth and fifth round guys just get, you know, you know, abused and, you know, they got a new fourth, fifth round guy in there the next year. Exactly. So RIP, Damien Pierce for that reason. Yeah. Yeah. I'm out of fall. Jake, Jacob and Lucas are mourning. Sorry, I cut Lucas off.

What are you going to say? So I was going to say with Marshaun Lloyd, to try and make you feel a little bit better to alleviate some of the concerns. The 2022 is South Carolina, like more context behind that. Like, oh, uh-oh. We lost Jacob. It'll be right back. Whenever he actually was healthy and was given the opportunity to carry the ball, he was extremely effective on a team that had a horrific offensive line. And up until the very end of the season, didn't know how to complete a Ford pass at times. Like, it was so just ridiculously bad.

But he has shown the ability to carry a team's offense in games. Whenever, everybody knows they're going to be running the football. And he can still go out and get. positive yards. He's done that several different times. And then whenever he moved on from USC to USC, then they didn't really give him that much of that opportunity. That's just not how that offense was designed for them to showcase a larger workload for him. But I think, Graham, you nailed it. He has the widest range of outcomes, but I love that he can reach that top end. Aside from Trey Benson, who you're going to have to spend premium draft capital on,

I'd say by the end, after the draft happens and when you're in your rookie drafts, I'm assuming that he's going to probably be going 109 a lot of times unless, I don't know, Bo Nix or Michael Pinnock's Jr. get first round draft capital. But I'm assuming Trey Benson's going to go somewhere in the late first. Agreed. Marshawn Lloyd, you won't have to spend that draft capital on and you can still reach that kind of ceiling that Trey Benson has. Just from the analytical profiles, Trey Benson, Jalen Wright,

and Marshawn Lloyd all, whenever you look, you squint just right, look very, very similar. And so I'm very happy with whichever one of those three falls to me, scooping them up. Jacobs nailed it, though. I think generally right probably is going to have the most niche role in the NFL, which makes me a little nervous. I think that's probably why you have him ranked at fourth and have Marshall Lloyd ahead of them. But I'm excited about them. And the fact that you are going to have to spend premium draft capital

and makes me even more excited. At the end of the day with this class, like I'm chasing ceiling. Like I just want the guys that have a projectable ceiling. Like in fantasy, what's the point of playing if we're not playing for sealing? Like that's what we're trying to win weeks. We're trying to, you know, have scored more points than our, you know, opponents in this class, if you're chasing ceiling, I mean, I think the two to me that stand out are Lloyd and right.

Thomas, I was going to ask you, man, where, so as of right now, you mentioned that the first rookie running back coming off the board is in the eighth round. Would you take any of these guys higher than that would be my question? Or do you think that the markets are correct? Like, would you take Trey Benson or Tijey Spears right now? I think that's kind of like the delineation point, that like RB20 spot-ish? So Spears is going at 17. I would take Brooks ahead of that. I would take all, I would take Brooks, Benson, and Lloyd ahead of like Giovante Williams,

who for some reason is still going RB 16. I'll make the case for Devonte Williams. No. I'll put my cape on for Javante Williams. No, absolutely. D-E-A-D. No. All three Denver running backs last year,

finishing the top 12 yards per run at the position. The Sean Payton offense is an absolute machine for running back expected fantasy points. The percentage of expectations. Yeah, but he was still bad. Look, what do we just talk about? Here's the crazy thing about all this running back ACL discourse. You just said you'd take Jonathan Brooks out of Javante Williams. He's the whole class.

Everybody talks about, and I like Jonathan Brooks just fine as a prospect. But we got, oh, Trey Benson didn't produce, you know, until he was year three. Well, after he shredded his knee. Marshawn Lloyd, he didn't do anything for a while. He shredded his knee. Blake Horam, oh, he was inefficient in 2023. He shredded his knee. oh, Giovanni Williams sucks.

That's why you got to take Jonathan Brooks, the guy with a currently shredded knee. Right. My point is... I would like to take the guy who we just got through the season of being bad off of torn ACL. But he wasn't...

He was about to watch me bad off of torn ACL. Giovante Williams wasn't tearing it up in his rookie year. We were disappointed in him. That was the whole discourse with Giovante in his first year. Giovanni Williams was quite good as a... People were annoyed that Melvin Gordon

wasn't going away, but he had really strong peripherals as a rookie. his success rate was low. His evasion rates were absolutely elite. He was still looked like a very promising back. He was being drafted in the second round of redraft. And then he tore his ACL.

And last year, he was not explosive. But his, I mean, even prior to Sean Payton's arrival, his ability to draw targets on an early down basis has been extremely fantastic. He has absolutely out of this world tackle evasion, even going back to his college profile. I think he's honestly a fantastic value running back to target right now in terms of a guy who actually has a legitimate upside, three-down profile,

and an offense that's entirely catered to throwing the ball two yards to running backs repeatedly. Like, I think it's a great situation. I like McLaughlin, too, in that situation. I really want to buy into the Denver backfield. So I had no idea we were going to talk about Giovanni Williams today. I'll put on the cape for him hard.

Not at, I can't do it at RB 16. Like, I would just wait and take, like you said, I would take Jalil. I would just wait. We've seen it.

I'm just okay. I'm okay missing. I want the rookie, right, that I haven't seen yet over. I will, someone like Javante. I just do. He's not explosive at this point. Like, even when he catches the passes, at least last year, for the record, I wasn't going anywhere.

I actually have Benson and Brooks right ahead of him, but they're all in the same. I do have William. What are we? I'll put my cape on. I'm going to put my cape on. I'm going to talk all this mess. But oh, never mind. I actually haven't ranked over him.

You know what? I'm going to move him up. I'm going to move them up. There it is. You know what? Hold on. Decisions have been made. You know what?

Maybe when you stop dropping out, you can talk some shit. Okay? This is such a good bit. Stop dropping from the show and then you can talk some smack to me. By the way, Tom, this is a minute 45 to 47 when you want to cut this all into a shit. Yeah, I got it. You already know. Talking about running back so you've kind of left for dead.

Somebody who we haven't talked about at all tonight is Brayland Allen, who coming into the season, everybody had as RB1 and talk about fall from grace. Let's not use that term. That's overly. Whatever I say everybody, I'm looking to get the majority of the fantasy community at large, and then I will throw everybody onto it is getting me in trouble a lot as I have been learning. Whenever I tried to be the voice of the Joe Schmoe fantasy player, who you're still. stealing money from in leagues because he's not doing well.

That's the everyone I'm talking about. But with Brayland Allen still, he is somebody. You son of a gun. Graham, where are your thoughts on Braylin? Yeah, I'm finishing charting him right now. So I don't have all of it done. He's going to be my six though. Like I can already tell you he'll be RB6 on this class for me.

I think it's really close. I've got a clear like top. too with Benson and Brooks like you guys and then Lloyd Wright and Estim and quorum are kind of all there I think Alan might sneak into like the back end of that tier but he'll probably be the start of the third tier yeah I mean obviously early breakout age was great from him but you know just like all these guys man I mean you just you don't get the full production profile except for Braylin Allen the one thing obviously though is his freshman year freshman year

2021, right? Yeah. Yeah, freshman year was definitely his best year. Lucas, you can speak to this more. What was the falloff from freshman to sophomore to junior year? Was there, was there like anything that you can like put your cap on or anything? I mean, the biggest change that happened with that Wisconsin staff was there was just coaching turmoil. But that didn't really change how he's being used. His second year, his zoning gap runs were flip-flopped. He was pretty balanced. between zone and gap, then it became heavily gap. This season, they went back to heavily zone with Luke Fickle coming good. And it just seemed like what he was as an 18 year old is what he's been the entire time he's been in college.

And it doesn't make a ton of sense. Like, you can forgive it whenever it's a sophomore season and it looks a lot like the freshman season. It's like, oh, okay, he'll be even better as a junior. But he seemed to be even worse. And the really frustrating part is that we look at him as this big power back. But his essentially his break tackle or forced mistackles and breaking tackle metrics just aren't there. And he doesn't have a good enough like explosive run rate to make up for it. So it just doesn't make sense that if you feel like you're going to be drafting this power running back,

the second coming of Derek Henry as some people had him as a freshman. Or AJ Dillon and like 23, AJ Dillon. I think that that's a perfect comp. Like there's definitely going to be a place for him in the NFL and there's going to be an offseason, a video taken where he's just showing off some massive quads and people are going to start swooning over Twitter about it. But it's just you come away feeling so disappointed.

Like you look at him on tape from time of time. You look at him like just the person, just the player. And then all of the metrics, behind to just leave you wanting so much more. Yeah, he's the soft. I just want him to play. 13 pound back ever.

Yeah, like, I just, I just want him to, I don't want someone to, like, make him angry on the sideline or something. Like, I just, like, because even the, even, like, the times that I'm impressed with Brail and Alan, like, Alan, like, we had no on the show. And he likes Alan more than I like Alan. I mean, you like Alan more than I like Alan, because I will not have him six, but. And, you know, the things that he said and the things that I, at some extent, agree with that are impressive is, like,

oh, he actually has pretty good footwork for a big guy. Or like, oh, he actually, like, diagnoses the play pretty reasonably for someone who's new to the position. And it's, like, it's impressive that he's good at all the things you wouldn't expect him to be good at. You know what? I would like to see out of the six foot 240 pound guy, how about you just, like, break a tackle and, like, mall linebacker. And, like, go head first into somebody's chest and, like, leave him with a little bit of pain. Like, just, just, just, man. That's the struggle for me is just, like, how, you know, like, mass times four sequels, whatever,

I don't know. I didn't take physics past grade 11. Sling acceleration, whatever it is. There's not a lot of like force to the math sometimes where it feels like sometimes he doesn't know that he's the biggest, baddest dude on the field and he can lower the boom at any time. Can I get your take on the other fallen Devy, darling? I'm assuming that it's not going to go well because I kind of like this guy, but you haven't brought him up yet.

Will Shipley. You have a take on Will Shipley. Oh, no. So I'm finishing, I think I'm, I've got three games left to Allen and maybe two left to Shipley. I want to actually, I'll probably take it back. Shipley will be my six over Allen. Okay, we're back up. We're back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think that's where I'll land. Alan, to me, you mentioned the footwork. And this is a reason I like Estimate is Estimate is he's 225, but he looks 235. I don't know if that makes any sense. But Estimate actually runs with power. Like there's an end of the game against Clemson. He just like caught a checkdown and there's like this little DB hanging off him.

He like picks him up, throws him. him onto the ground. I'm like, I would love for Braille and Allen to do that once. Like, I have not seen that once from him. And maybe he can, maybe he can develop that. Maybe it's a coaching thing. I really have no idea, but the physical traits with him are sick. Thomas, I'm there where I was messaging with you like in January. I was like, dude, Braylon Allen, like sick production profile, like one of the only running backs in this class with a sick production profile. He's 238. Yeah. I started watching him. I'm like, oh. Yeah, Graham and I were having a little Breeland Allen love fest in the DMs and then.

And I started watching it. It was like a couple months later, I was like, I think we might have been wrong. I was, I mean, I always get nervous whenever I see, like, Devy people falling in love with a player that's not from, like, Georgia or Alabama. Because just immediately, I'm just like, oh, you guys are going to get David Bell's so hard. So, like, my, my, like, red flag has always been up with Braylon Allen. But I was cautiously optimistic. I hadn't watched that much of him. And then I was in Chicago a week before the NFL season.

and staying with a buddy of mine who's a Wisconsin grad. And so we're watching the first game of the new season. He's like really excited. He thinks, you know, fickle and Longo are in town and they're going to win the Big Ten West. And, you know, he was sorely disappointed. So we're sitting there. I'm having my first slice of Chicago deep dish pizza. Excited to watch Braylon Allen, the 17 year old live in stereo.

And I'm watching this guy. And I'm just like, Zach, man, like, I don't think this guy's good. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to like this guy. And he was promising me all day. He's like, I'm so excited if you to watch Brail. I'm like, this is going to be your guy. I will say, I will say he upped his pass catching in this last year. Granted, I will tell you that I'm box score looking when I look at that.

I can't tell you how he caught those passes or what situation was. Graham could make me live with a fool because he knows more about this than I do. But my note is I've never seen someone's past protection. I've hated more in my life. I just think he lunged the guys like crazy. It's a disaster. He passed pros like I did. This pass pro is ridiculous.

It's pass pro. I always say pass pro is like one of the most teachable things, especially when you're huge. So he has that going for him. But it's mostly technique. And Corum is so, like Blake Corum is so good at squaring his hips to defenders and getting his hands in the right place.

Like he's obviously not big, but he's really small and he gets low. And he understands like how to load his size, whereas Braylon Allen is just like a big piece of lumber out there. Like he's just getting pushed around. So to me it's technique. We brought up Will Shipley real quick. To me, he's on that like Devante Freeman, Wayne Galman spectrum where he's like really kind of good at everything but not great at any one thing.

Like he's fine. He's fine. He's fine to past production. We're talking past production. He's good, pretty good receiver. I don't think he's a standout runner. They have this guy who's huge on their team. I think he's a better runner.

His name's slipping my mind right now. They split carries last year, Shipley and this huge guy. But just watching both their carries this past year, Shipley to me stood out as a little more explosive than I thought. And I don't have the full numbers, like I said, just yet finishing charting. But a little more explosive and a little more shifty than I thought too. The Mistakless Force numbers are going to be pretty good on him when he comes out. So I've been taking Shipley like early third round.

He's been a target of mine. Yeah. An early third round, I like that price a lot. Lucas has it. It's Phil Mafa. Phil Motha. Yeah, yeah, that dude. He is, yeah, he's sick.

He's huge. Yeah, he's a big Devy darling right now, too. I think with Will Shipley, that's something that I don't know if it's really a skill for running backs, but he just has this clutch gene where he could sucks for so much of the game. But whenever Clemson desperately needed something on offense, because it has not been good these past two seasons, Will Shipley just comes out of nowhere and says, I got you all. get on my back and just goes in, scores a clutch touchdown at the end. And you're just thinking the whole time, where was this the rest of the game?

Like, I have no idea if you can chart stuff out and just leave the fourth quarter or the last five minutes as its own thing. But I think people would really like Will Shipley a lot more than. And his highlights are, gosh, you got to love it. I think it was two years ago. Yeah, two years ago, Clemson and Syracuse were playing. And just that last drive. Will Shipley had like five highlight plays in a row where he just forces Clemson into a win.

You got to love stuff like that. I am very disappointed with what his analytical profile looks like, but he's still fun to watch. And Thomas, I think he was what your second Devy pick ever? Yeah, my first one was Quinn Ewer, so that Devy team is dead, dead. But I'll say my- Well, you want a crazy story. My second ever Devy pick, or sorry, second C-to-C pick, and it's been a journey of a lifetime

with Jaden Daniels and that was like a butt of a joke for three years of like man that I sink this pick and wait why don't we boomer bang back we're back up baby that's C2C for you baby

I'll be honest though I did not see Shipley running 438 at his pro day I know he was more of a 4 or 5 guy I'll say I'll say I have do have a comp form because I have two very specific ones and I'd be interested to hear

if anyone has like a real And I've been on record It's saying that I hate comps in general But this is one that I actually feel pretty good about I'm very I don't have a comp for him I'm very much like if a comp comes to me while I'm watching I'll I'll say it ETIN for Benson was like the first thing I thought of watching them

Right yeah yeah I don't have one for Shipley What you got? So for Will Shipley I have Kevin Falk or Dionne Lewis As to how I see how his role He seems like the prototypical New England Patriots Third Down Back The guy that they see stick in like Lucas said fourth quarter he James whites his way through it though not as good as a

route runner but can handle some of those third down carries if they need to give him an LDD carry they can but they he's a guy that coaches will trust they'll put him in on that third down he's a two minute drill guy and he has a little bit more juice than those other guys I didn't think he ran with as much power but you're sitting here telling me he ran with with enough power for me to be excited about. This is a guy that if we get third to fourth round, man, he could be a coach's dream. And I feel like he can fit that fantasy relevant Dion Lewis, Kevin Falk-esque rule. Well, what I really liked about Chipley is like he has a thing. Like to me, with potential, like, it's either him or Bucky Irving to me is the best like long down and distance running back in

the class as a seamer two-minute drill situations as a rut runner. Now, Bucky's, combine like I think really tanked whatever you could dream beyond that but with shippley you know he ends up doing much better there so like my hope for shipley is my hope is some team drafts him as a third down two minute drill back right away and then he ends up being able to get on the field on that basis and then if something happens around him like he's already on the field versus like some of these guys who are going to get drafted straight backups um it's like you're you know if you're not active on game days and you're not on the field then maybe that you know it's like like a zach Evans last year where like,

Kyron goes down, he gets the injury, but he just didn't have a role in the team. And so they end up bringing other guys ahead of him. My hope is Shipley is if he's playing 20, 30% of the snap, which I think he has like a reasonable pathway to, because I think he has some still sets in the receiving game. Like maybe he just gets lucky and, you know,

the guy gets hurt beside him and they say, all right, try your hand out at will. And then he ends up running away with it for a month. That would be my that's kind of why I'm so balsh on him is I think he has one thing that he's very, very good at. I really like him. Well, and he's big enough, right? He's not one of the 58, you know, 5-9

backs that barely break 200. That's my only issue. Do you? Well, because he's like 5-11-205, which is like a little upright for me, which I think, okay, causes him to go down a little easy. Like, because like, I was kind of think of a comp too, and originally like one that I'd come up with was like potentially

like a Duke Johnson as like a receiving back who had bowling in college, but I don't know if he's really going to be done the NFL, but Duke was like compact. Like, in a way that Shipley is a little bit more slender. Yeah, he's a little lanky. Yeah. He's maybe built a little bit like a slot receiver at this point. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, but you know, there's something to be said, though, that he did carry the volume. I know the Mafa guy. He's a Debbie darling, like he said.

He's going to be a beast next year. But, you know, there's something to be said that he did carry the load like you we were talking about in the last couple years with, with this offense being so, so bad, at least for their standards.

Right. Yeah. Well, look, we said we would keep it as close to an hour as we can. We did have one question. We said we would get to that Andrew asked, like right off the cup.

So I want to hit that address a couple of comments and then get out of here. So let's address Andrew A, who's been here since RIP, maybe off topic, but wondering if any of you are high on any sleeper RBs in either draft or in general, want to spend a don't want to spend a lot of capital. But current RV room is Zemir and Taj. Damn, he does need a sleeper. Definitely. Yeah. I already gave my main one. My really, really cheap one outside of all of like the busted up vats.

for looking for someone a little bit more fun, my guy would be Jolene McLaughlin. I would just cite again, like the absolutely ridiculous expected fantasy point profile that the Denver offense created to running backs. If they are remotely more functional this year, I think someone in that backfield's going to be a big hit. And while I'm more bullish on Javante than the rest of the crew here, it's less javanti-centric and more backfield-centric. And I like a lot of what McLaughlin put on the tape last year.

Port it's worth. I'm still a Javante guy. He was my RB2 in that draft class. loved him. But man, man, it's getting rough out here, though. I will, I will say. We got to be adjusting to new information. Like 15 carries inside the 5 or 40.

Strongly held opinions. Just know, I'm aware. Like, I don't have them like in the fourth round. I'm ranked like the eighth round. I'm not like trying to be ridiculous here. But I'm saying it, I don't think the dream's dead. That's all.

He'll be a big bet. Yeah. So my running back strategy is like I want basically like the barbell approach. Like I want one of the top elite guys in my top eight. and then I want like nothing in the middle. That's usually like Javonte. And I want a bunch of these like contingent upside slash injury guys slash second and rookie rookie picks basically.

One sleeper I've been trying to get on my teams that I really keep running back depth on is Izzy, Izzy Abanacanda. He's not even 22 years old yet. Brees is obviously a beast. But man, what if the Jets don't draft somebody and he's just like rolling into the season at RB2? He's like free right now. I've been I'm flipping like late fourths, packaging some late fourths

with some bullshit assets with him, just trying to get him. You know, he might stink. Yeah, he might stink, man. Like I really, I don't know if I wasn't super,

super high on him watching his tape last year, like didn't chart him. I will this summer. But there was enough in the preseason, enough during the regular season for me to buy in a little bit. And, you know, if he really is just the RB2 there,

you know, he's one injury away. So I'll save my sleeper, because I know, I don't know if it's a sleeper, but Lucas has one running back and wants to mention before we get out of here. But for me, it's Dylan Johnson, right, at a Washington. He's a guy that can catch the ball, like over 170 catches, I believe, coming out of college, was part of a dynamic Washington offense once he got there

and was insanely productive over 80 yards per game, averaged over a touchdown per game in that offense, can really move between the tackles, which NFL teams really love, has some speed to get to the outside, goes with enough balance just isn't that high-end elite athletic talent that maybe might hold him back but this is the kind of guy that if you're taking a late round shot

and you possibly want David Montgomery, Dylan Johnson from Washington is very David Montgomery-esque to me and how he moves. So if you want a late-late guy that you're definitely not even going to have to draft, that's my ultimate sleeper pick, because I'm not going to pick Garando again because Jacob might actually. The look like I feel like,

if Jacob rolls his eyes back that hard again, you'll fall out of his chair if I mention it again with how hard. The reason why Dylan Johnson can't succeed is the hoodie is indoors is ridiculous. It's a swag issue for you? I can't handle. It's not swaggy. It's just not a good look. That's what I mean.

If you want to wear the hoodie outdoors in the rain in Seattle, like I get that. You know, I live just a couple hours north of Seattle. I understand. It's a rainy place. But you're telling me you're going into a dome stadium in a hoodie. What are you? Bill Belichick, it's ridiculous. Oh, my goodness.

Like a winner. Lucas, he had one running back you wanted to hit and then we'll get out of here. Yeah. Speaking of Bill Belichick, he was just at Washington in his hoodie. So love that picture circling around. And as a sleeper, not going to really expand on it too much. Frank Gore Jr.,

I think somebody should have to pay attention to. His real game athletic scores are just off the charts. And I think he has enough production. where you might be able to do something good. And nepotism. Yay. We know that. Hey,

look, nepotism matters in the NFL. The end stands for nepotism. So, I mean, yeah. That's only encouraging it. Graham. And, Grant, you've mentioned Estimate a couple of times. And I absolutely love hearing positive things about Audric Estime, especially after the combine, whenever I was feeling a little down.

It's just great to reminisce a little bit, especially for somebody who ran so slow. But his breakaway or his explosive run rate is higher than Jonathan Brooks. It's higher than Brayland Allen, higher than Bucky Irving. Stuff like that gets me really excited. Plus, you know what you're getting. He's just a massive dude who actually breaks tackles and punishes people. And a comp for me is Michael Bush.

It's a little bit of an older comp, but that's just stuff like that. It makes me really happy. Why do you like Audrake estimated so much? Yeah, estimate of me is like if AJ Dillon were to lose 20 pounds and we're actually good at football, really good feet. Like I mentioned, he's, I don't think he's elusive at all in the second and third level, but he's got great power. You know, he gets to his top speed fast and he ran 471, ran 4-5-8, I want to say,

or 4-6 at his pro day, something like that. So, you know, maybe we can hang our hat on that, but he's a little bit faster, had a bad day at the combine. He jumped out of a gym, too, for his size too. Yeah, so there's, yeah, he's definitely pretty athletic. I just think for these types of backs, though, man, like he's watching Estimate is like probably like in terms of figure out where he wins was maybe the easiest watch, you know, like we know he's never going to be a big pass catcher. That's just, that's just fast. Right.

Yeah. Well, look, we've got some sleepers. We got some in-depthness here. Let's, let's sign this out here. Jacob, I know you got to get out here. Think about thinking you just dropped a massive article. That link is going to end up in the show description. everything you're going to want for how he attacks the draft class is in there.

It's a phenomenal read as always. You can find him at Jacob Sanderson. Of course, Lucas Gilbert here with me every single week. We are helping revamp the full tilt YouTube channel into a dynasty points YouTube channel. Everything left over is going to be heading over there. So Lucas has helped me head that up. And of course, Graham always creating, always working at fantasy points. When does that yard created come back?

looking like next Wednesday, next Wednesday officially for the day to dump. So I've got. This is life changing. Yeah, I've got some charting to do this weekend to kind of finish up the class. But yeah. Like I said, people, I told you people would be excited. We have multiple comments tonight about, you know, people just being ecstatic that you were bringing. I joke about it being life changing, but it is literally changing in the sense that I did my first tier of rookie drafts all last week, deep dives,

which of course features zero running back. And then I was debating, like, I'm going to do the next two series, I'm going to be in the middle of class. I was going to basically just split it, one into running backs and one of the receivers. And I was going to write about running backs this weekend. But now that I know that your arched creative something on Wednesday, I'm going to write about receivers and then write about running back to capture.

So it is actually changing my life. I'm so happy that we got to talk about it and that I got to let you know that it was missed and that you decided to get it back, man. So for myself and for everyone in the dynasty community, We appreciate it. The hard work and the charting and the fact you're going to go back and do last year's is it's underrated, man. So much love for that. And remember everything at FantasyPoint.com can be had here on YouTube as well for all the content.

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