Fantasy Football Today - 01/07: 2019 Awards! All-Decade Team! Mock Draft Review! (Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: January 7, 2020What an exciting show we've got today as we finally reveal the official 2019 Fantasy Awards (6:33)! We gave you the nominees and now our listeners have voted. Did they get it right??? Oh and we react ...to the Matt Rhule (3:00) and Joe Judge hirings (35:55) as the news breaks ... It's time to reveal the All-Decade Team (18:30). Which players were the best of the best from 2010-2019? QB was fairly easy, but after that it got tough. Jimmy Graham or Rob Gronkowski? Does Arian Foster deserve a spot? What was Heath thinking with one of his WRs? And we determine who the official Player of the Decade is ... We review yesterday's PPR mock draft (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/fantasy-football-way-too-early-2020-ppr-mock-draft-features-seven-first-round-running-backs/) with three picks we like (38:40) and three picks we don't like (48:30). Comparing Allen Robinson to Odell Beckham Jr. and Kenny Golladay. And debating Marlon Mack vs. Devin Singletary vs. Austin Ekeler ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
I have been counting the days.
I absolutely cannot wait for this show to get started.
Here we are. We're starting.
Welcome to the show, everybody.
It's an award show.
It's the Fantasy Football Today award show here on this Tuesday afternoon.
I'm Adam Azer with Dave Richard.
We'll have Jamie Isenberg joining us shortly.
What's up, Dave?
Are you an award show guy?
I've made my way down the red carpet.
I'm sorry I'm not wearing my tuxedo today.
But yeah, I'm not really an award show guy.
I think awards are kind of silly,
especially when they're made-up awards for a pretend football game that we all play.
But here we are nonetheless.
Here we are nonetheless. Here we are nonetheless.
I would prefer an award show to name the best fantasy manager move of the year or maybe nominations for the best commissioner of everybody that's listening out there.
Who's the best commissioner?
Who's made great rulings?
Who's been cool with the other people in their league?
Not all this.
Who's the fantasy MVP?
Everybody knows who the damn fantasy MVP is anyway. So let's just roll on with it.
Oh, come on.
You know what?
It's so like you to be negative when we have such a great show planned.
We have not only the awards.
We've already talked about them a little bit.
I'm sort of excited for that.
I'm really excited about the all-decade team because I think there's going to be some great debate.
But let me ask you this to start.
We'll talk about Matt Rule, by the way, who is finalizing a deal with Carolina right now.
What was the easiest call for you on the all decade team now we are doing an all decade team dave jamie and heath each came up with a team i also did but it's kind of unofficial
uh because you know they're analysts right why is it unofficial no no all right it's official
i think you should be official yes i'm happy about that it's official i'm excited about the
all decade team adam i think
this is actually kind of cool and i wasn't at first because at first i was like well crap this
is going to be easy everybody's just going to list the player who had the best stats in the 2010s and
and that'll be it but i i i realized that there are many different ways that you can value a player
or a group of players from a decade and And I chose the way that I thought players
should be valued. And I went with that to build my team. The easiest one for me was that wide
receiver. Calvin Johnson was head and shoulders better than everybody else out there at the
position. Easily the wide receiver one of the decade 2010 through 2019. That's so funny you
say that because the easiest call for me was also at wide receiver but you picked the wrong one Antonio Brown was the easiest call that's my wide receiver too
not to give away too much too early and you know maybe you'll be mad at me for that later but those
are my top two receivers Calvin and AB yeah same here AB uh number one wide receiver three times
top three five times and Calvin Johnson was the number one wide receiver three times. Top three five times. And Calvin Johnson was the number one wide receiver twice.
Obviously, toward the back end of the decade, he didn't do much,
but he had retired.
But yeah, you have to keep that in mind too.
Heath, I think, took a more total points of the decade approach,
but not all of that.
And we'll have to speak for Heath today.
Let's go to the big news first, Dave.
Matt Rule finalizing a deal with Carolina. Looked like he was the favorite to land the Giants job. all of that. And we'll have to speak for Heath today. Let's go to the big news first, Dave, Matt rule,
finalizing a deal with Carolina looked like he was the favorite to land the
giants job.
So what's your fantasy take on Matt rule to the Panthers?
I would expect,
I would expect a more creative approach from Carolina.
Not that they,
they weren't creative last year,
but I felt like there were certain limits on what they could do just because
of the quarterback situation.
But Matt rule is going to be an interesting hire for them.
Definitely did a lot of unique things at Baylor.
I would imagine that he's going to bring a lot of that over to Carolina.
All right.
So anything, is there anything like if they got to throw the ball more?
It seems like a weird fit for Cam Newton, but I don't know.
Like his quarterback at Baylor could move a little bit.
They spread the field, you know, guy.
Yeah.
So I think certain elements of what Carolina was doing last year,
which is basically like West coast concept stuff,
get the ball out quick,
let your receivers make a play after a catch.
I think that's going to continue.
I wonder if the pace gets ratched up a little bit,
ratcheted,
but not ratched,
ratcheted up a little bit.
Ratcheted.
Yeah.
Ratched. You little bit. Ratcheted. Not ratched. Ratcheted up a little bit. Ratcheted. Yeah. Ratched.
You know what that means.
I think that that could help Carolina out, too.
They need to really do a good job improving their offensive line
and figuring out if Cam Newton can be their quarterback next year.
Okay.
Probably those two things in reverse in order of importance.
Made outside the offensive line is the most important thing,
and also that Cam guy.
But it's not that way.
Cam's pretty important.
And Jason Garrett may be a candidate now for the Giants,
which is weird.
We'll see what happens there.
Oh, my goodness.
So hold on.
As a Giants fan, you hear that news and you think what?
I have no opinion on it because, look, the initial reaction is like,
this is embarrassing for the Giants.
They didn't get Ron Rivera, who used to work for Dave Gettleman.
They didn't get Matt Rule.
It seemed like the reports seemed to indicate he was the favorite.
I don't know.
I don't know what happened behind the scenes.
I don't like to speculate.
I'm one of the few people in the world who thought that Pat Shurmur
didn't need to get fired, didn't seem like a great coaching candidate pool this year.
So what I want right now is Robert Sala to become the coach because I just feel like that guy is awesome.
And people would want to play for him.
But I have no idea, Dave.
And I try not to speculate on things that I just don't know about.
And I don't care.
So I wasn't really that excited about Matt Rule to begin with.
Because look what happened against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl it's a terrible terrible audition so he spit all over his his smock did you see that you didn't see that okay
well you should go and look well actually you probably shouldn't go and look for that I would
feel like if they go from Pat Shurmur to Jason Garrett it's like going from one fast food place
to get a burger to go to another fast food place to get a burger.
To me, it feels like a lateral move.
It doesn't get me excited.
I would assume it wouldn't get you excited either.
Robert Sala, though, I think that would excite me a little bit,
believe it or not.
Yeah, he's cool.
He looks like he's really cool.
I want to hang out with him.
Let's get him on the show.
All right, awards.
After Sunday night of week 17,
we gave you the four nominees at each position. You, the listeners, then voted on our Facebook
page. You got some of them wrong, and I'm going to tell you what you got wrong. But here we go,
Dave. Fantasy MVP. We gave you Lamar Jackson, Christian McCaffrey, Michael Thomas, and Derek
Henry. I'm not going to spend much time on this. Lamar Jackson, the runaway winner, 62.5% of the vote, followed by McCaffrey at 31.7%. Michael Thomas got less than 5% of the vote
and Derrick Henry 1.1%. So there you go, Dave. Lamar Jackson's your MVP.
And when I originally sent in my ballot, I had McCaffrey on it, but it was just to be different.
I think Lamar Jackson is the runaway MVP and the obvious choice because you got him with a late round pick and he ended up being a legit league winner for you. All right.
Next award was fantasy rookie of the year. We had two players with more than 40% of the vote.
We had Miles Sanders with 4%. We had Terry McLaurin with just under 2%. The winner is,
is it Josh Jacobs or AJ Brown, Dave? What do you think? I think it's going to be Jacobs.
You are correct.
Josh Jacobs, 52.7%.
A.J. Brown, 41.8%.
And I think that makes sense, right?
Longevity plays in here.
It was good from basically week one on.
Had over 1,200 total yards, 1,300 total yards,
if we're going to be exact about it, seven touchdowns.
It was right around what we thought the expectation should be on draft day.
We knew there was potential for him to get to 1,510.
Maybe that's what comes in his second season.
I'd like to see him get a little bit more work in the passing game,
but fresh young legs, good offensive line, rejuvenated franchise
as they move to Las Vegas.
Josh Jacobs should be the centerpiece of
that offense and he should be given even more opportunities only 262 touches last year i expect
all of these numbers to rise josh jacobs just looking at we did a mock draft yesterday he went
25th overall the first two late of round three too late yeah well you took chris carson ahead of him uh
someone else took chris carson for me oh full disclosure uh oh that's right that's right okay
uh best waiver wire pickup the four finalists were davante parker darren waller dj charke
and raheem mostard davante parker darren waller dj charke and Raheem Mostert. Devontae Parker, Darren Waller, DJ Chark, and Raheem Mostert.
Who gets your vote?
From those four, it's Devontae Parker.
I think just the impact that he made in the second half of the season
and the stability and the consistency that he gave us,
the one game he had with a concussion, that was a dud.
Everything else really felt like he was great.
So I think Devontae Parker should earn that award.
And he did. 66.3% of the vote.
And what I'm going to be talking about all throughout the year,
all throughout the offseason with him,
is two good games against the Bills,
a great game against the Patriots,
the best game of any wide receiver, basically,
in terms of yards against the Patriots,
best since week six of 2018, Tyreek Hill.
So he did it against tough matchups.
It was really impressive.
And where did he go in our mock draft?
Went right before I wanted to take him in round five.
He went to you.
Couldn't believe it.
Couldn't believe that he was there.
Listen, if I'm going to be passing on the buck for
not taking Chris Carson, I also did not
take Devontae Parker with that pick.
The person who took both those picks,
who will join this podcast shortly,
I should thank him for that one. That was a great pick.
I would be surprised if Devontae Parker
lasts that long
in drafts come August, unless that there's
some massive change to the Miami offense.
We know where he's going to play.
We know what he's capable of doing.
We got questions about the quarterback situation,
but I think Devontae Parker could go a little bit sooner than that.
All right.
Let's go to break.
You know what?
Let's take a break because I want Jamie to come on here.
Jamie just got done doing HQ.
He was reacting to the Matt Rule news. We're going Jamie to come on here. Jamie just got done doing HQ. He was
reacting to the Matt Rule news. We're going to bring him on
now. So we'll take a quick break here on Fantasy Football
today. When we come back, we've got the
worst waiver wire pickup, the best
single game performance, the biggest
bust, the all-decade team,
hopefully some mock draft review,
and your emails at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com.
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Welcome back to the first annual Fantasy Football Awards here from CBS Sports.
All right, we welcome our new presenter.
Jamie Isenberg is here.
Hello, Jamie.
What's up, Jason Garrett?
Oh, gosh, why?
All right, we got a few more awards to hand out.
You get two revenge games a year.
How about that?
Look, let's be honest.
He did a pretty good job with the Cowboys.
Just didn't do a great job, but he did a pretty good job.
He deserves some credit for that.
What was your fantasy reaction that you just talked about on HQ
to Matt Rule going to the Panthers?
I mean, obviously, the three main guys that you're looking at are,
I guess four if you want to throw in Curtis Samuel,
but McCaffrey, Newton, and DJ Moore.
And I don't think it's going to change very much for them.
You know, you look at Baylor in 2019,
their leading rusher was their quarterback.
So if Cam's right, then that's a good opportunity for you know him to
still get some opportunities um i was reading some stuff on matt rule this morning that he would
rather be a smash mouth type of run a smash mouth type of offense than a little bit more of uh some
of the things that he did do at baylor so we'll see if that um changes in the nfl and we'll see
who his play caller is going to be um there was a story in New York that Sean Ryan,
who I believe is the quarterback's coach with the lions would be his preferred
offensive coordinator.
That was the guy that he was potentially going to take with him.
If he took the jets job last year.
So we'll see if that's the case.
But I think,
you know,
rule is going to be a little bit more of a,
you know,
overseeing type of coach than necessarily hands-on with one side of the ball.
He does have a history with the defense, too.
I know everybody thinks of him as an offensive guy,
but he's spent some time as a defensive assistant as well.
Played linebacker, too.
Yeah.
We could see a situation where
if Cam's right, this offense can bounce back
to a pretty respectable level.
So he'll be more of like an overall ruler.
He will be a ruler.
Yeah.
But I mean,
look,
you're not getting away from McCaffrey.
It's the number one overall pick.
You don't,
you don't take this job as,
as Matt rule.
If you're not looking at that as your best asset.
So far,
let's recap.
Lamar Jackson is our fantasy MVP.
Josh Jacobs is our rookie of the year.
The best waiver wire pickup,
Devante Parker,
three awards left.
The worst waiver wire pickup. Yeah.er three awards left the worst waiver wire pickup
yeah yeah okay so the listeners got this one wrong they're very jamie's gonna agree with it
i strongly strongly disagree with it worst waiver wire pickup our nominees were brian hill
mike boone ty johnson and tj hockinson brian hill uh mike Boone, Ty Johnson and TJ Hawkinson.
Dave, who gets your vote?
So many, so many, so many sad memories when you run down those names.
I'm going to go with Brian Hill.
I think that we all expected Brian Hill to replace Devante Freeman for a couple of weeks
and just be a dynamo in that Atlanta offense.
There were good matchups for him.
And man, did he let us down.
And then he ends up scoring when no one's using him.
When no one was thinking of him as a startable fantasy option.
So he would get my pick.
So Jamie, who did you want?
You wanted Brian Hill or Mike Boone?
I forget.
No, Boone was the easiest one.
Brian Hill is the winner.
But he shouldn't be the winner.
Ty Johnson should be the winner.
It was very close.
Brian Hill, 36.6%. The thing about Brian Hill was, though, he he shouldn't be the winner. Ty Johnson should be the winner. It was very close. Brian Hill, 36.6%.
The thing about Brian Hill was, though, he had a touchdown in the game that,
I mean, really the one game that everybody looked at was the Panthers game.
And he had a touchdown callback.
And I know we talk a lot about touchdowns that should have happened that didn't.
But if he gets that score, it's not the most miserable of days.
You were picking up Brian Hill for two to three games.
You were picking up Ty Johnson for the rest of the season, almost ten games.
You were picking up Mike Boone for the fantasy championship.
I mean, that's the worst one.
Okay, but you spent all your fab.
A lot of people spent all their fab or most of their fab on Ty Johnson.
He was terrible.
I would love to know.
Here's what I'd like to know.
Where did everybody vote?
On our Facebook page?
Yeah.
Okay, I would like everybody to comment on our Facebook page who you sat Mike Boone for in week 16.
And I think that's going to sting a hell of a lot more than the two or three games that you may have invested in Brian Hill or Ty Johnson.
Maybe.
Okay.
So the worst waiver wire pickup was Brian Hill with 36.6%.
Ty Johnson was number two with 32.3%.
I don't mind Brian Hill, though, as the winner.
Mike Hewitt was third with 20.6%.
All right, best single game performance.
Best single game performance.
I voted for Lamar Jackson in week one as a table setter of what was to come,
even though I think it was his third best game of the year.
We had Lamar Jackson in week one.
We had Sammy Watkins in week one.
We had Will Fuller in week five. And we had Drew Brees against the 49 Jackson in week one. We had Sammy Watkins in week one. We had Will Fuller in week five.
And we had Drew Brees against the 49ers in week 14.
Dave, what's your vote?
I would go with Lamar Jackson in week one against the Dolphins
because it was the signal for two things.
One, how bad the Dolphins' defense was going to be.
And two, how good the Ravens' offense was going to be.
Jamie?
It's the one that's not on this list
because I think it ties into what we just talked about.
It's Wayne Gallman's week four performance
because we said to spend fab on him,
and he did deliver for that one game against the Redskins.
Ben and I thought that that was such a bad call
that we had to remove it from the list.
I'm sorry.
I don't mean to be a jerk.
Oh, you could be a jerk.
You're wrong.
It wasn't that good of a game.
It was like a normal game.
It was a fine game.
He came through as a waiver wire guy.
I don't know if it's the best one of the year.
Will Fuller scored four touchdowns.
It might have been the best one of the year for the Giants.
But it wasn't the best one of the year for him.
Will Fuller had 57% of the vote.
Yeah, you know, the problem I had with it was that he was only started in 41% of leagues.
So for most people, he did it on the bench. Yay, you know, the problem I had with it was that he was only started in 41% of leagues, so for most people, he did it on the
bench. 53.7
53.7
points against Atlanta for
Will Fuller. He wins.
Drew Brees was number two. Lamar Jackson
number three. Watkins number four.
And then here we go. The biggest bust.
People must have listened to Jamie
because David Johnson is
our biggest bust, which I think is
a terrible job by our Liz and I'm
so disappointed in all of you
he was the number 7 running back at
non PPR number 5 in PPR
in his first 6 games
then he got hurt and then you didn't use him you didn't
start him for pretty much the rest of the year
Odell Beckham should have been the winner of this
no he is but Beckham's a bigger
bust no
i get where you're coming from adam and i think i agree with you because people were still starting
odell beckham far longer than they were starting david johnson it's just that that people well i
don't know if everybody did this but who had the higher adp johnson or odell beckham i think i
think beckham ended up with a higher ADP. That just
adds to the argument then that he's
the bigger bust because people were taking him before
DJ. You're not getting points from David Johnson because he was
doing nothing for you and he wasn't injured.
I almost wish that Odell Beckham was
injured or not playing so that you would know to
move on. Good job, people. He always just tried
to start Odell Beckham hoping
and praying that he would catch a long pass.
It looked like it was never going to happen.
All right, all right.
So those are your awards.
Let's recap here.
Lamar Jackson, the MVP,
Josh Jacobs, Rookie of the Year,
Devontae Parker, Best Waver Wire Pickup,
Brian Hill in a very controversial,
though we could be talking about this for years,
Worst Waver Wire Pickup,
Will Fuller with the Best Single Game Performance,
and David Johnson, the best single game performance.
And David Johnson, the biggest bust.
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It's time for the all decade team.
So we were tasked with finding the best quarterback.
Which decade are we talking about again?
1990s.
Okay.
You remember Christian McQuaid?
Randy Moss.
I do now.
One quarterback, two running backs, two wide receivers, tight end, and a flex.
Jamie, I asked Dave this earlier.
Who was the easiest call for you?
I mean, there's no question.
It's Justin Tucker.
I mean, it's Gronk.
Gronk is the easiest pick of all.
Wow. So, Gronk is not even Heath's tight end. Well, Heath's Gronk. Gronk is the easiest pick of all. Wow.
So Gronk is not even Heath's tight end.
Well, Heath's an idiot.
He is not.
Oh, jeez.
He is not my tight end.
Another idiot.
And you know what?
When I saw that Heath went with Graham over Gronk,
my first reaction was Heath is an idiot,
which is just sort of a natural reaction to me.
But then I went, I looked at where they finished all 10 years during the decade, and I think Jimmy Graham is actually the answer. Because he had better stats over the decade? No, he had two number
one finishes. Gronkowski had three, but Gronkowski had also one number two finish, and Graham had
two number two finishes. So they both had four number one and number two finishes.
They both were top five,
five times.
Jimmy Graham had one more good season.
I'd say he had six top seven finishes.
Gronk only had five of those.
Gronk had three finishes outside the top 12,
including this year where he didn't play.
And Graham had three finishes outside the top 12.
They basically had very
very similar stats I think the
injuries with Gronk made him
a bust sometimes and
that to me put it's true
look Graham I think scored more points
in the decade Gronk
had a better year his best season was a
little bit better than Graham's best season I don't think there's
a wrong answer there to be honest but I said
he'd say Graham Dave? Well you saw who I sent in it was
Mercedes Lewis you fussed for hands but I sent in Mercedes Lewis because it's obvious that it's Rob
Gronkowski and even though it's a close call statistically between Graham and Gronk I just
think that Gronk was just such a difference maker and a guy that we were taking
certainly toward the top of the tight end board every single year. There might've been one year
and there were some people consider Jimmy Graham ahead of Rob Gronkowski. I just think it's,
it's pretty easy. It wasn't the, the biggest no brainer of them all for me. Like I said,
Calvin Johnson was, but Gronk is certainly like number two as far as no-brainers go
uh so graham it's easy to forget he had a four-year stretch where he was number two number
one number one and number two he was great four years right he was gronk was number one number
five number 19 and number one in those four years but then he followed that up with number one after that so
you know look there's to me there's no wrong answer to Dave to Jamie there is a wrong answer
Heath had uh Graham let's go to quarterback because I think we all have the same quarterback
right I know he has Breeze I have Breeze yeah right uh Breeze Breeze yeah Breeze I mean you
could clearly make an argument for Brady,
but Breeze I think is the best one.
Rodgers too.
He had the most yards.
He had the most touchdowns.
And correct me if I'm wrong.
Strike that from the record.
How often did you have Drew Breeze as your number one fantasy quarterback
in the 2010s?
Maybe once?
Oh, I mean, no.
When he had the consecutive seasons of 5,000 yards,
I'm sure it was probably two or three times.
I didn't have the time to look back and double check,
but I don't think I had him as my number one quarterback
more than once in the entire decade.
So he was a good value in terms of ADP
on top of being just the most prolific passer of the decade.
He had six top three finishes finishes he was the number one quarterback
twice he was top 12 in nine of 10 seasons Aaron Rodgers had a good case he had five top two
finishes Peyton Manning was pretty awesome Tom Brady was pretty awesome more toward the beginning
of the decade but we all settled on Drew Brees running back was tough uh Jamie who are your
all-decade running backs my all-decade running backs are LaShawn McCoy and Adrian Peterson.
Dave, who are yours?
Ezekiel Elliott and Todd Gurley.
Heath has Christian McCaffrey and LaShawn McCoy,
and I have Arian Foster and LaShawn McCoy.
I considered Foster and I considered Marshawn Lynch, too.
Yeah, four straight finishes for Lynch as RB4 through 6,
but for Foster, three straight top three finishes.
He knows the decade is 10 years, right?
Yeah.
Well, his argument for McCaffrey...
Go ahead.
Two of the top five seasons overall for McCaffrey,
including the best season, which was 2019.
I get it.
I think I would have liked to see one more year.
If he had three great years, I would have done that.
But you can't put McCaffrey in over Foster, in my opinion,
because Foster was doing things that running backs just weren't doing.
And he had four great seasons.
Yeah, I would take Le'Veon Bell over McCaffrey too.
I would too.
And it's not to slight Christian McCaffrey.
It's just the body works too little too late.
All right, so Jamie, I thought Adrian Peterson was kind of an interesting call.
Want to talk about that?
Yeah, I think he had, what, 50 touchdowns in the first four seasons of the decade.
He was leading Russia twice, the 2,000-yard season, the MVP year was great.
Obviously, the things that will stand out on the negative side would be the year that he was suspended
and the season that he suffered the torn ACL.
But what he was able to come back from, I think, is pretty miraculous,
as we've documented time and time again.
The fact that he had a 1,000-yard season in his early 30s with the Redskins
at the end of the decade, that he had 1,000 total yards in 2019,
just his body of work over the decade, I think, speaks for itself.
I think now is the time to sort of talk about what we were looking for.
Because deciding between a guy like Todd Gurley, who Dave has, and LaShawn McCoy, who I think me, Heath, and Jamie all have, you know, it's interesting.
Because Gurley, at his best, was the closest thing that we've had to LaDainian Tomlinson since the, you since the mid-aughts of 2000.
For me, Gurley feels like McCaffrey because there's not enough body of work
to put him as the best running back in the all-decade team.
So I don't know the difference.
Which I'm sure you feel the same way about Ezekiel Elliott being the pick.
Same, yeah.
He played even fewer seasons.
I just don't see enough of, like you said about McCaffrey, too little, too late.
So these are going to be guys, unfortunately, know their careers are going to sort of bracket middle of
decade middle of decade and i don't think they're going to ever end up as all decade type of players
um but you know what they did in their short span in the decade is clearly fantastic i just don't
think the body work matches up to some of these other guys so when it came to the running backs
and wide receivers i decided that the most important factor was consistency the guys that
were able to deliver fantasy points on a regular basis.
And I decided to go with non PPR instead of PPR as my judgment,
because as a factor here,
because I didn't think that catching the ball was a big enough of a
difference maker.
I wanted the true talent to really come out because everybody catches
footballs.
And,
and I think that it's,
it would definitely favor the wide receivers. It definitely favor guys like christian mccaffrey
and leshawn mccoy i wanted the running backs that were able to get you 10 points non-ppr that's what
you're looking for from a good running back girly did it 70 of the time i don't know i think zeke
did it 91 of the time you're gonna leave that out well i just i don't think that that's it wasn't
laid out to me that it was going to be a PPR all decade.
That should be anything, though.
I mean, if you're catching the ball, it's a big part of what the game is.
Yeah, but so is receiving yards, and these guys got a lot of that.
So it wasn't just eliminating the receiving game in total,
but the yardage was there.
Receiving touchdowns counted, too.
And I thought these guys were the most consistent in the decade
among those running backs who played.
Zeke and Gurley for you.
Yeah, so I think McCaffrey's only had two years,
whereas Zeke has had four years.
You really put Mercedes Lewis on the graphic.
Zeke is on my team as a flex.
I went with McCoy and Arian Foster,
but Zeke makes it for me because he's had four years
as a top six running back on a per game basis in PPR.
He's been top five in three or four seasons.
He's been very consistent, you know, and he hasn't been injured.
He got suspended for six games, which knocked him out of the top five in 2000.
What was it?
17.
But or whatever it was.
But yeah, Zeke, Zeke, I don't know.
See, it's subjective.
I thought four years was enough.
I didn't think two years was enough.
Yo, like, you want longevity?
Matt Forte is a guy that's not going to make our list,
but he's probably like a second.
Another going.
Yeah, I took a look at him, but he just wasn't.
He didn't match up well enough.
Not quite.
Not quite a lead enough, but six straight top 12 finishes.
Really impressive.
Jamal Charles was the man, but he just didn't do it
enough didn't stay healthy enough and levion bell three top three finishes for him but levion's
interesting because like where did he rank at running back in the last six seasons one in ppr
one 47 three two sat out and then 16 so in the last 6 years he's had
3 unbelievable years
and 2 terrible years
either due to injury or something
47, what was his per game though?
he had 10 or more fantasy points in 4 of 6 games
that year
he was pretty good in the games he played and he got hurt
and he couldn't finish the year
so I don't think that should necessarily be held against him
he made 10 non-PPR points 70% of the time.
No, longevity is a part of it.
No, I just think being available is a part of it too.
I mean, it's not necessarily his fault.
But I also kind of took it like if I had these guys in a dynasty league,
how happy would I have been with them?
So no, the running back was tough.
Let's go to wide receiver.
Let me just recap running back real quick.
For me, it's McCoy and Foster.
For Dave, it's Zeke and Gurley.
For Jamie, it's McCoy and Peterson.
And for Heath, it's McCoy and McCaffrey.
Heath also nominated J.K. Dobbins for best running back of the decade in the 2010s.
Heath has what he calls the definitive correct
lineup by the way but uh jamie who are your wide receivers i mean you can use whichever two you
want because i have three with the flex but uh calvin johnson antonio brown and julio jones i
think those three guys were just amazing okay dave uh calvin johnson and antonio brown are my
receivers yep calvin johnson and Johnson and Antonio Brown for me.
Pretty hard to leave Julio Jones off.
Not easy, but it was between him and Zeke at Flex,
and I went with Zeke.
And Heath's wide receivers are Julio Jones and Antonio Brown.
He didn't put Calvin Johnson.
And you know what?
I think the argument for Calvin Johnson,
like here's where he ranked at wide receiver in the six seasons that he
played this decade.
Six, one, one, five, 16, and 12.
So that is four straight top six finishes, two number one finishes.
Is that better than Julio Jones,
who had six straight seasons as a top seven wide receiver,
but was never number one.
He was top three three times, though.
So you had, like, number...
Calvin Johnson was a guy that people were taking number one
overall in PPR. Nobody ever said that
about Julio Jones, but I could see an
argument for Julio over Calvin Johnson.
Where I disagree with Heath is he
has Larry Fitzgerald
as his flex.
Oh, I knew he'd put Larry in there.
I knew it.
Calvin from 2010 to 2013 averaged 95 catches, 1,575 yards, and 11 touchdowns.
Forget about that.
Just over the entire course of the years he played in the decade,
14, 24, and 10.3 touchdowns per game or per season.
Per game would make him the number one guy, obviously.
But per season, he was head and shoulders above everybody else.
Look at how bad this list is.
The Heaths team?
It's so bad.
Breeze, McCaffrey, McCoy, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Jimmy Graham, and Larry Fitzgerald.
We have what?
Seven spots?
Six spots?
I can't count.
Seven spots.
Seven.
And he's got three of them that are just so wrong.
Who?
McCaffrey is just terrible.
Graham is awful.
And Fitzgerald's bad.
He needs to be here.
He's got to be able to defend this.
Like, I get that these players were great players for fantasy.
He called in.
I get that these are great players who definitely helped fantasy managers over the decade and
maybe consistency played a role for him. Did he think the answer was, I need to list all players who are still playing managers over the decade and maybe consistency
played a role for him. Did he think the answer was, I need to list
all players who are still playing or have the chance to play?
Maybe. Look, he obviously
values cumulative
points and like how many times
you've played. But he's going to give cumulative points
and where's Adrian Peterson? I figured it out. I know what he did.
To be fair. He only did it
in the span that he's worked here.
So where's DeMarco murray i think that jimmy graham is a totally legit pick i agree with you that mcafree is not and that fitzgerald should not be on this list but i think jimmy
graham is but look it's it's subjective because in my opinion the fact that calvin johnson
was so good that people thought about taking him and did take him number one overall.
Same with Antonio Brown?
Yeah, right.
Brown is the easy one.
Larry Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, they didn't really get to that level.
And that, to me, was why it was so tough to decide between Ezekiel Elliott and Todd Gurley.
Because Gurley was, and that's why Dave has him as a running back.
Like I said, I think Gurley was the closest thing we had to Tomlinson.
But Gurley also had a really bad second year where he was RB25,
and he was RB17 this year.
So he's had sort of like two bust years.
I think his rookie year was pretty awesome.
He was a big-time get because he missed the first, what, four or five games?
Five.
And then he was the number nine overall running back.
So I think it was three years for him, but this is fair.
Let's recap.
Dave, Drew Brees.
You want to read your team?
Go ahead.
Brees at quarterback.
Zeke and Gurley at running back.
Calvin Johnson and Antonio Brown at wide receiver.
It's Rob Gronkowski at tight end, not Mercedes Lewis.
Le'Veon Bell. Flex. Mercedes Lewis. Le'Veon Bell.
Flex.
Flex me, Le'Veon.
Oh, right.
We didn't talk about the flexes.
Le'Veon Bell.
All right, Jamie, your team?
Drew Brees,
LaShawn McCoy,
Adrian Peterson,
Antonio Brown,
Calvin Johnson,
Rob Gronkowski,
and Julio Jones.
Heath's awesome team.
Brees, McCaffrey, McCoy,
Antonio Brown, Julio Jones
Jimmy Graham and Larry Fitzgerald
and my team is Breeze
LaShawn McCoy, Arian Foster
Antonio Brown, Calvin Johnson
Jimmy Graham and
Ezekiel Elliott
So Drew Breeze made every team
Did Antonio Brown make every team?
Yes
So those must be the players of the decade.
Players of the decade.
Now, who's the player of the decade?
Gronk.
No.
It's Antonio Brown.
It's Brown or Breeze, right, by this logic?
I think it's Antonio Brown.
I mean, look, I think say we, I think if we listed
multiple quarterbacks,
we'd probably have
a different second guy
because, you know,
Rodgers, Brady,
who's the other guy
you said that was
maybe on the list?
Payne Manning?
Payne Manning.
That guy.
So you can probably say
that there's a difference
at the second spot.
We all listed Brown
with other receivers,
but, you know,
when we had a chance
to list multiple guys,
you know,
he makes the list.
So I think it's Brown.
Yeah, I agree.
Who would be the number two quarterback
of the decade? I don't think it can be Brady.
Rogers. Manning had that
one year, though. I would agree
it's Rogers. I also think Russell Wilson
should be in this conversation because basically
he's been
a stud.
Don't forget Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Jamie says Rogers. he's been he's just he's just been a stud don't forget so jamie says rogers
hey when golf gets an award ryan fitzpatrick had i think if you go by pure stats alone brady would
get the nod because he threw for more yards than rogers had more touchdowns he had more
interceptions but it was only by 17 so i think you could make the case for brady being that second
quarterback behind breeze but I haven't
I didn't put a whole lot of thought into that I just knew that Breeze was the best and most
productive quarterback of the decade so once I realized that I stopped thinking about quarterbacks
I'll give you the thought then Aaron Rodgers has five top two finishes and one as the as QB one
he was top 12 and 8 of 10 seasons Tom Brady has only one top two finish,
but he does have four top three finishes,
five top six finishes,
and he was top 12 in seven out of 10.
So it doesn't quite measure up to Rodgers
in terms of fantasy impact.
And then, you know,
if you want to go with Peyton Manning,
he was number one twice in this decade.
He was fourth. He was sixth. He got hurt hurt one year he retired and missed the final four seasons
but final five seasons he was nothing so um he had 31st and then retired all right good stuff guys
this was a lot of fun I hope you all enjoyed it and can't wait to argue with Heath when he comes
back next week some more news and notes for you here.
The, what is this?
The Giants are finalizing a deal with Joe Judge,
which is the, to be the head coach?
To be the head coach?
What?
Joe Judge, the special teams and wide receiver.
He's the head coach of the Giants?
What?
What is this?
This is in real time.
Yes. I don't know. I don't know how to react.
I have no opinion.
I have no opinion.
You should be happy that it's not Jason Garrett.
Jason Garrett literally was a candidate for the Giants coaching job
from the start of our podcast today until right now.
That's it.
That's as much time that Jason Garrett had to be considered for the Giants job.
I don't think I hate this.
I don't think I hate this.
It's rare to see the special teams coach get promoted to a head coaching position.
I know that John Harbaugh got the job from being a special teams coordinator with Philly to Baltimore,
and it worked out really well there.
Judge must – I need to do
my research on him but anybody coming from the Patriots coaching staff um probably has a good
knowledge base on how to coach just might not be able to be as good as the Patriots or beat the
Patriots when they do get the opportunity is he bringing Josh McDaniels with him I can't imagine
that he's going to get the head coaching job and McDaniels is going to be a coordinator somewhere else.
No, McDaniels is going to be the head coach of the Browns.
Well, you know, I don't really love the whole Patriots coaching tree.
Why?
It's getting better lately.
Brian Flores was awesome.
I'm stunned.
No, it's getting better lately, but it's been mostly –
Bill O'Brien's in the second round of the playoffs.
Matt Patricia is –
How about that?
Matt Patricia?
He was coaching from an ATV.
All right, fine.
Joe Judge, great.
Mike Vrabel's
in the second round
of the playoffs?
Vrabel was one
that I liked.
I thought that
that was a good hire win.
I'm looking up
on Judge right now.
The nice thing is
you know that
if you play the Patriots,
you're going to win.
That's true.
Or at least you have
a 50% chance to win.
Absolutely.
Well, no, no, no.
Okay.
All right, I got the deal.
He was born July 5th, 1947.
He's an American lawyer and television personality,
formerly from Shelby County, Tennessee, a criminal court judge,
and a former arbiter of the arbitration-based reality court show,
Judge Joe Brown.
I love that guy.
All right, I'm pumped.
Wade Phillips is not going to return as the Rams defensive coordinator.
Marshawn Lynch is going to play more against Green Bay.
The Seahawks may not have Ziggy Ansah defensive end this coming week
against Green Bay at Green Bay.
He's been hurt all year, basically.
Tom Brady reportedly played through.
We knew he had an elbow injury.
Also, he had a foot injury late in the season.
And Packers right tackle Brian Bulaga is in the concussion protocol.
Wonderful.
I can't wait until they just start listing Brady as old.
Oh, the Tim Duncan status?
Sure.
So we did a mock draft yesterday, 12 teams PPR.
We'll get more into it on Thursday in our next show.
But three picks you like, three picks you don't like.
Dave, are you ready to rock and roll here?
I don't have three.
I have two.
So if you don't mind giving me the chances to do
two that i like and two that i dislike i'm i'm happy to deliver on that uh the first one is one
that i was so angry about when i when i took i think it was james white in round six and debo
samuel was still on the board just the biggest brain fart i could have possibly made i would
have absolutely taken Debo Samuel.
And I think, Adam, was it you who took Debo Samuel?
Yep.
Yes, it was.
Adam, fantastic pick.
I wish I had made that pick myself.
78th overall.
I hope I can get Debo Samuel there in drafts come August.
And then Devin Singletary, 36th overall.
Was that one of yours, Jamie?
Yes.
Great pick.
I'm surprised that he lasted that long. I think he's going to be a popular pick,
and I bet he goes sooner when we do the non-PPR version.
So those were two that I really liked.
Yeah, so let's talk about Singletary.
Last pick of round three, 36 overall.
Who went ahead of him that you would have preferred Singletary to?
I'll give you the picks that just preceded him.
Counting up, Marlon Mack. Austin Eckler.
DK Metcalf.
Kenny Galladay.
Keenan Allen.
Odell Beckham.
Eckler's going to be one that we look back and say.
Hey.
You know.
Not that we're going to pay attention to this draft very much.
But the ones that we're going to look back and say.
Third round.
Wow.
I mean.
I had some people when I did the top tens for all of us.
Heath was the only one.
I'm sorry.
Top 20 for all of us.
Heath was the only one that had him in his top 20.
And he had him at 20. And. I mean. If was the only one. I'm sorry. Top 20 for all of us. Heath was the only one that had him in his top 20 and he had him at 20.
And I mean, if Melvin Gordon leaves, depending on what happens with Philip Rivers, he could be a top 10 running back in PPR.
I mean, he was top five this year with Gordon playing half the season.
So there's a lot to like about Austin Eckler if he's the guy.
Is he going to be the guy, though?
I would imagine if they if they have a justin jackson
type then yes he's the guy if they clearly spend draft capital on right that's what i'm worried
about like we're not going to know that for sure until april so for now sure but once april comes
around he i think he'll still be a top 50 pick no matter what like imagine they they draft a guy
this year right he was top 50 pick
this year when we had to gordon hold up sure uh but i think i think that if they go and they draft
a young stud you know they get jk dobbins well now all of a sudden he doesn't look as good but
i still think people would take a chance on him right around 50th overall yeah but i'm saying
would you take devin singletary or austin eckler in ppr i think right now i take singletary or Austin Eckler in PPR? I think right now I take Singletary. I would too. Like we'd have to get
through all that. We'd have
to get through April and see that
Eckler is clearly the dude in
LA. And if that happens, then he would go
ahead of Singletary. He would go ahead of a lot of
people. By the way, spoiler alert.
One of the picks I did not like was
Justin Jackson, 89th overall.
Why? I don't know. I just don't
see a role for him.
I just think they're going to add someone.
He's going to be a third stringer.
This is where these drafts are, though.
You're taking guys that could potentially be starters.
And if the Chargers, I mean, they have a lot of holes to fill. So if they don't feel like running back is one, they take a third date.
He got 18 carries in three games.
They take a third date.
Well, that's with Melvin Gordon there.
No, no, no.
I'm saying, I know what you're saying,
but I think the thought would be
if he's the second guy going through training camp,
that's not a bad spot for him.
I don't think he's going to be there.
All I'm saying is Melvin Gordon was out
and they gave him 18 carries in three games.
So I just don't think there's any commitment to him.
I don't think he's going to be drafted.
My guess is he just won't be fantasy relevant, but whatever.
And then just to stick with this range, I didn't like Marlon Mack.
That was one of the picks because he went 35th overall, just ahead of Devin Singletary.
Because it was surprising to me that in PPR, Marlon Mack was the number 24 running back on a per-game basis.
And, you know, so Devin Singletary went behind him, Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon.
He just, he's just not going to catch any passes.
And, you know, might be looking wide receiver there instead of Marlon Mack. He had, he played 14 games.
He had seven games with fewer than, with single-digit fantasy points in PPR.
And that's just tough to take from a running back.
So I didn't like that pick.
I would have take,
I think I'd take Singletary over Mac.
I would do me too.
So Jamie,
you got any picks you liked in this draft?
I do.
I think you look at some of the ones that were later are the ones that
intrigued me.
First off,
I think James Connor was the best value pick of the draft.
I think he went around six.
That's just ridiculous.
Now in full, this was around six or was it later than that?
It was round five.
I think it was round five.
I think the running backs in round five were great.
Yeah.
Kenyon Drake in that round two.
In full disclosure, I said this in the write-up of the story as well.
We're doing this draft essentially just looking at the stats page from a year ago.
And when I say that is because we're in our draft rooms that aren't updated yet.
So, you know, they're going to be players that, you know, like Adam, for example, probably has an advantage over one of our producers who hasn't been studying these numbers and these players, you know, time and time again for weeks on end.
So, you know, you may see somebody slip past a couple spots and you go oh i should
i should have drafted that guy like dave i think said so about debo samuel you know maybe he wasn't
just looking at the right spot to see where debo samuel was so some of these guys are going to be
like i can't believe this guy's in that spot i can't believe that guy's in that spot you know
some of us maybe have a little bit of a different advantage but um i thought james connor in round
five i i like the taking chances on on two receivers that went back to back.
And I think when one went, it signaled time to take the other one,
was A.J. Green and T.Y. Hilton.
Both went in round six.
So, you know, if those guys, you did the same thing with Brandon Cooks,
I think, would you take him like round 10?
Round nine.
But let me tell you about Green and Hilton because I should have said this.
This is a PPR league, but it's three receivers and a flex.
So my team is very running back heavy, three running backs with my first four picks,
and there were a couple guys that I was targeting, right?
So in round five, I'm like, I really want to get Devontae Parker or Cortland Sutton.
They went with the two picks right in front of me.
And then in round six, I said, I really want to get A.J. Green or T.Y. Hilton. They went with the two picks right in front of me. And then in round six, I said, I really want to get AJ Green or TY Hilton.
They went with the two picks right in front of me.
So that just destroyed my strategy.
Yeah.
And I thought all the running backs in round five were pretty much good
values.
Okay.
So yeah,
Connor for sure.
But carry on Johnson,
Kenyon,
Drake,
James,
Connor,
Devante Freeman,
and your pick of Philip Lindsay.
I thought that was a great round for running back.
I took,
I took David Montgomery. first pick around six.
I had the 12th pick.
You can throw him in there if you want to.
Yeah.
Look, in a three-receiver PPR league, you're going to get some running backs that fall.
But after Montgomery, I can't imagine there were too many.
No.
Montgomery might have been the last true starter.
Except for him, most of Ronald Jones went.
Damian Williams, great pick. George
Maselli's pick of Kareem Hunt was interesting because
if he ends up as a free agent somewhere, could be
a really good player.
Sonny Michel went in round
six. Who knows what this Patriots offense looks
like. Dave said he took James White. We know what he does
in PPR. Raheem Mostert in round
seven, I thought that was a good pick too. Just if he's
the potential league guy for
the 49ers and
then like you said i took damian williams at the end of round seven okay so running backs fell a
little bit especially the ones that sort of came on late and didn't show up in the full season stats
like jamie was referencing were there any other picks you liked that you wanted to talk about
i mean there were some receivers that went late you know uh after around 10 um i took hunter renfro
we know he closed the season he was really good you know we'll see what he does coming back next
year jameson crowder you you know, is somebody that could still
be, you know, a very good fantasy option. Marvin Jones went in round 10 as well. I took Preston
Williams at the end of round 11. You know, we'll see what he does coming back off the torn ACL.
That could be somebody that, you know, jumps up a few spots. The Steelers guys,
the second tier Steelers guys went late. I took Deontay Johnson around nine. James Washington
went around 12. It's really good value for Washington if he's the number two guy there
with Ben Roethlisberger back. That was one of the picks that stood out to me on the negative side.
Not that I don't think he can get there, but it just felt a little too soon was Jujus
Mischuster with the second pick in round two.
All right, yeah, we'll get to the picks we don't like.
The picks I liked, Adam Thielen, 38th overall.
I'm not going to repeat everything I said on Monday's show, but 2017, he was the number 12 wide receiver in non, number 8 in PPR.
2018, he was the number 7 wide receiver overall.
He was off to a great start in 2019 before the injury.
He was number six in non-PPR, number 10 in PPR.
So Adam Thielen going 38th overall
before the next two wide receivers off the board
were A.J. Brown and Tyler Lockett.
And I think Thielen makes sense there.
And then 10 picks after Thielen, Julian Edelman,
number six wide receiver in PPR this year.
He's almost a lock for right around 100 catches, 1,100 yards.
I mean, he's Julian Ellman.
Yeah, and I think people mostly approach this like things are going to be
pretty much the same now.
But that's why he fell.
That's probably why he fell.
Right.
Yeah, so I thought Ellman was a good pick,
and the round five running backs were picks I liked.
So the picks you didn't like.
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which picks didn't you like jamie uh juju was just i felt a little bit too soon i i you know
didn't love that uh pick in that spot um there weren't a lot again juju yeah the first pick
around two second pick around two excuse me. Oh, okay.
Second pick, okay, yep.
I didn't like that one.
There weren't a lot of picks that really stood out to me that I didn't like.
I didn't like that you took Beckham 30th overall.
I knew it.
Over Keenan Allen and Kenny Galladay.
I mean, that just felt a little too soon for me.
Nah, yeah, it was Galladay and Beckham.
That's what I was down to there.
The pick I didn't like was the one right before it, Allen Robinson, 29th overall.
That just feels like a safety pick.
Between Beckham, who has huge upside,
and Kenny Galladay, who was better than Allen Robinson this year without his quarterback, I'm not a big Allen Robinson guy.
I know the season he just had,
but these are his PPR points per game in his four healthy seasons.
19, 12.4, 11.7, and 15.5.
You don't know what you're going to get from him.
I think if he's healthy, because you say four healthy seasons.
I'm assuming you're including 2017, his first year with Chicago.
No, 2018.
Excuse me, 2018.
He played through a bunch of injuries that year.
And then he's been saddled with Blake Bortles,
who gave him his best season,
but also gave him some pretty crappy ones.
Well, he's got Trubisky.
I don't like Trubisky.
No, but what I'm saying is I think this year
is the numbers you should expect from him
close to the ceiling.
I don't think it's the full ceiling,
but I think it's close to the ceiling.
Let me give you a split then.
No, you're right. This is his ceiling,
and he was the number eight wide receiver, or close to his ceiling.
Let me give you these splits and tell me if they mean anything to you. I know Taylor Gabriel is not
a great player, but the last
five games without Taylor Gabriel,
he was on pace for 186
targets, 112 catches,
10 touchdowns, over 1,200 yards.
The first 11 games with Taylor Gabriel were still really good.
It was 92 catches, 1,111 yards, 6 touchdowns on 140 targets.
But that's a pace of 46 fewer targets, 4 fewer touchdowns, 100 fewer yards, 20 fewer catches.
So that late-season surge coincided with an injury to another wide receiver.
And Trey Burton.
Well, to be fair, Anthony Miller's numbers spiked during that time.
So that, I think, is the bigger factor.
Because Miller essentially picked up the slack for what Gabriel and Burton were doing almost combined.
Plus what you factor in what Robinson's boost was.
So I think that's where those numbers were made up.
The problem I have with Robinson is if this is Miller's role consistently, you know, can he be
a six, seven target guy? And then you have Gabriel taking three to five targets and Burton getting
three to five targets and Terry Cohen getting, you know, his, his work plus Montgomery on the
backfield. That I think is what's going to hurt Robinson is everybody there. If they're all
working, it's not just Gabriel being back and Burton being back I think it's is Miller's role expanding sure okay you didn't like
my taking of Beckham 30th overall I want to see the coaches I think that's going to be big but
just you know I just wonder where Beckham's at right now you know is he always going to be
injury plagued you know he played through injuries this year but we know he's had a hard time staying
healthy and how much did that groin injury really impact him?
He just did not look like he was very explosive.
I don't know if that was Baker, if it was the offense.
He just didn't separate very much when you watch him.
We will talk more about this draft on our next show on Thursday.
Let's read some emails to finish things up here.
This is from Matt.
The email address, by the way, is fantasyfootball at cbsi.com.
Matt wants to know, can you do a live first-round mock draft for a startup dynasty league?
And I thought if Dave were here, it would be fun.
I don't know.
You want to give us a shot?
I guess I want to know is, is it a veteran draft and then a rookie draft?
Or is it a complete?
No, I think it's everything.
So you need the rookies.
You know, you need the rookies, I think.
You got to wait until the NFL draft.
The dynasty draft that we did in the office, we did a veteran draft and then we did a rookie draft.
And the way we did it was we did reverse order.
So whoever picked his 14 teams, whoever picked 14th had the first pick in the rookie draft,
which worked out really well for me
because I had the 13th pick in the veteran draft.
You want to hear about dumb luck?
In the veteran draft, my first pick,
I forget what year this was, 2016?
Veteran draft.
What was McCaffrey's rookie year, 2017?
Yeah, 8, 17.
No, 2018. No no 17 was his rookie
he just finished year three mcafree and fornette finished year three so 2017 so my first pick at
13th overall was des bryant because i went with the approach of i'm just gonna try and win this
now i don't know how long this league's gonna go my second pick was michael thomas in round two
heath was like jumping up and down thinking that i was not going to take michael thomas in round two heath was like jumping up and down thinking that i was
not going to take michael thomas around two for some reason probably because i was stupidly enough
passed on him in round one um i had the second pick in the rookie draft first pick that year
was leonard fornette i took mcafree so for the last three years i've had mcafree michael thomas
that's pretty good that's why i won you won. Two of three years. Two years in a row.
Two or three years.
No,
we got like,
we got like three minutes left.
Sorry.
So,
so let's just say that,
no,
we can't do a dynasty league draft right now.
We will do it after the NFL draft.
How much,
here's a question from will,
how much value does McCall Hardman gain when Sammy Watkins gets cut?
Because he's making so much money next season.
And DeMarcus Robinson walks in free agency. Does McCall Hardman jump into the wide receiver to conversation? I can keep
Metcalf in the 12th or Hardman in the 13th. What would you do? Metcalf in the 12th.
All right. But how much do you like McCall Hardman? Is he kind of a sleeper right now?
He is, but I still need to see what they do fully because, you know, they still may draft another guy.
They still may add another free agent.
You know,
they were,
they were surprised in what they paid Sammy Watkins a couple of years ago.
So they may still be aggressive to try to know that,
find another weapon for,
for Patrick Mullins.
This email is from Cinder,
or Cinder,
not sure how to pronounce it.
I apologize.
Lamar Miller,
what is his future like?
What's his trade value?
I have Lamar Miller in one of two dynasty leagues.
Should I trade him away, trade for him,
or just keep Lamar Miller in one of two leagues?
I don't see much value for an aging running back coming off an ACL tear.
We'll see what they do.
But we know that Bill O'Brien hasn't exactly been enamored with Lamar Miller.
He likes him.
But I guess if I'm looking at Lamar Miller,
I'm looking for probably what Carlos Hyde gave me, which wasn't bad.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
From JW Moore, we're entering the third year of our Keeper League
and we'll be choosing two players to have for next year.
I'm planning on keeping Kamara, but I'm split between Chris Godwin,
Tyreek Hill, and Derek Henry for my second keeper.
It is standard scoring.
Godwin, Tyreek Hill, Derek Henry.
Who would you go with?
It's between Tyreek Hill and Derek Henry.
And since it's non-PPR, I'd probably go with Derek Henry and just load up on receivers.
From Gary, I'm in a 12-team PPR league.
It's a keeper league.
We can keep three keepers, and the cost is
one round the next year, so you can only
keep one of your first two draft
picks. I took Dalvin Cook in the
second and Kamara in the first, but I can only
keep one, so who are you
keeping, Dalvin Cook or Alvin Kamara?
I'm keeping Dalvin Cook. I think
what we saw from him this year was pretty special.
What we saw in the playoff game was pretty
special. You're always going to playoff game was pretty special.
You're always going to have to worry about injuries,
but the ceiling is pretty high for him.
Not that the ceiling is not high for Kamara,
but you've also seen what the floor can be.
So right now I like Cook better.
I just want to take a look at his catches.
He was pretty good.
Let's see.
I don't know these numbers off the top of my head.
Dalvin Cook had 53 catches in 14 games.
So that's a bonus.
That's a plus in P games. That's a bonus. That's a plus in PPR.
That's good stuff.
It's looking like, from Dalvin Cook's perspective, Kevin Stefanski was a potential
head coaching candidate.
Carolina was one team that was looking at him.
Clearly, they're set with their
guy, Matt Rule. The Giants, I don't know if that was
a team that was going to consider him. They're set with their guy now.
Unless Cleveland decides
to make him the head coach there, it seems like
he'll be back as the office coordinator for the Vikings, which is good
for Dalvin Cook. Well, this was a fun show.
All right. I loved it. I think
we did better than Ricky Gervais, although
I thought Ricky Gervais was fine. I thought the opening monologue
was fine. People were killing it. I thought
he did well. Just a little aside
there. Yeah, it was all right. But
I thank you all for voting
and for listening to today's show. The All-Decade team was great. We, it was fine. But thank you all for voting and for listening to today's show.
The All Decade team was great. We appreciate it.
Can't wait to talk about it with Heath. More
Mock Draft Review, more of your emails
on Thursday's show. We'll talk to you then.