Fantasy Football Today - 01/07: Our First Mock Draft! Plus Wild Card Recaps (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: January 7, 2019

Jamey Eisenberg and Dave Richard break down our first PPR mock draft for 2019, including an interesting first round with Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown still being selected in that round (11:15). Patr...ick Mahomes was also selected in Round 2, which sparked a good debate on quarterback value for 2019 (17:40), as well as some interesting Round 3 running backs with Joe Mixon, Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook and Derrick Henry (25:10). We talked about Leonard Fournette's value in Round 4 (34:00), what should happen with Derrius Guice in Round 5 (41:10) and a lot of young receivers in Round 6, including Cooper Kupp, Calvin Ridley, DJ Moore and Dante Pettis (45:25). ... We went through the games in wild-card weekend, recapping Colts-Texans (53:58), Chargers-Ravens (1:01:30), Cowboys-Seahawks (1:07:35) and Eagles-Bears (1:12:30), spinning forward the Fantasy value for the relevant guys. ... And we answered keeper/dynasty tweets to close the show. ... Email us at at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Wild Card Weekend is in the books,
Starting point is 00:00:21 and our wild and wacky first mock draft of 2019 has concluded as well we're gonna go over all that stuff here on monday january 7th i'm jamie eisenberg and joining me is dave richard as you can tell adam azar is still on his family time leave enjoying his wonderful child and hopefully his wife as well uh heath cummings will be back with us this week At least that's what I'm told by our esteemed colleague, Chris Towers. And so we will get into a little bit of what Heath's been up to and go over a little bit more of our mock draft later on in the week. But we're going to go over some fun stuff. I'll get into that in a second.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Dave, how was your wild card weekend viewing? It was incredible. It was fun to be with my family to watch some football. Yeah. First time this year where really I was able to watch all the games with them. My son and daughter pepper me with questions about football. My daughter more so with the rules of the game. My son about, where did Dontrell Inman go to college, Dad? That's funny. And your son is 14?
Starting point is 00:01:23 He's 14. And your daughter is 11 11 but she's like yeah and they're both big time soccer players now like that's their sport and so my oldest son is uh six and he kept asking me he's uh we just finished our father-son fantasy league which we won uh and he was very into it and but now he keeps asking me who's the best quarterback in the nfl uh patrick mahomes or tom brady patrick mahomes quarterback in the NFL? Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady? Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers? Patrick Mahomes or... I get that, too.
Starting point is 00:01:47 And then he said, who's the worst quarterback in the NFL? And I think about it for a second. And I said, Nathan Peterman. And he said, what team does he play for? And I said, the Raiders. And he goes, I think they're out of it. I go, I think you're right, buddy. It's funny how the kids are picking up on what we do and asking questions about it and learning from it.
Starting point is 00:02:03 And this was my son's first year playing fantasy, and he ran a bunch of teams all on his own. He made the playoffs in a couple of them. He won one of them, I think, and he made all of his own decisions. He'd ask me, and I'd give him some ideas, and he'd run with it, and that's it. But it was great to spend time with them. I hope you got the chance to do that too, Jay. I did, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:22 It was a fun weekend, and glad to watch some good endings. I don't know if they were good football games. There were some good endings to yesterday at least. See the Ravens try and come back in that loss to the Chargers. And the Eagles-Bears game, as we know, was a good ending, depending on what side of it you're on, obviously. But we'll get into that a little bit. So the show rundown that we're going to go over today,
Starting point is 00:02:44 we'll go through our first six rounds of the mock draft uh we'll do round seven through 12 on thursday i'm curious to get heath cummings take on some of our teams uh in this draft because he was not part of it so to see how his outside view uh along with probably all of you who are listening to this we'll go through again the first six rounds some interesting picks levion bell and antonio Brown still going in the first round, despite some controversy surrounding those two guys. One with the entire season, one lately with Antonio Brown. We talked about this last week.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Patrick Mahomes went in round two. So first quarterback off the board there. And then Nick Chubb and Dalvin Cook fell to round three. So I'm curious to get your take on that, Dave, when we get into how that all unfolded, that those two guys, which are probably going to be second-round picks in the majority of leagues, how they slipped into round three. We'll go over the wild-card round again.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I'm sure all of you know this by now, but I will just say it anyway. The Colts beat the Texans 21-7. Cowboys beat the Seahawks 24-22. Chargers won 23-17. Eagles won 16-15. And that sets up the divisional round. Colts at Chiefs. Chargers at Patriots, which will be on CBS,
Starting point is 00:03:46 Cowboys at Rams, and Eagles at Saints. Some interesting lines with those games. Saints, I know this just from doing our segment on CBS Sports HQ, the Saints are a nine-point favorite over the Eagles. Can they stop Nick Foles and the Foles? Magic. But we'll also go
Starting point is 00:04:01 through some of your tweets from last week. I know I requested a bunch of those. I said we would get to them, so I'm going to do a little bit rapid fire with Dave here on some of your keeper and dynasty questions. You can continue to email us at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. See, I got it right this time.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. It's only been 15 years. You should think I should know it by now. We'll get into some more of your emails on Thursday. Your biggest takeaway from wildcard weekend was what? My biggest takeaway was that offense didn't dominate like I thought it would. I thought we'd see a lot more
Starting point is 00:04:33 action in the end zone. Really? I thought we'd see more scoring. Certainly in that first game. Given with all these defenses, though, you thought that would be good? Yeah, I thought that game between the Texans and Colts would be a shootout. I thought that would be higher scoring. Uh, I, I got the, the scoring that I thought we'd get in that Seahawks Cowboys game.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Uh, I thought the Ravens were absolutely disgusting. Yeah. And I thought there'd be a few more points, at least from the bear side, uh, in the game. Eagles, yeah, they really are. And, you know, the other takeaway that I'll give you is that young quarterbacks did not play well. in the game against Philadelphia. Eagles, yeah, they really are. The other takeaway that I'll give you is that young quarterbacks did not play well. Trubisky did not have a great game. Is that to qualify that as a young quarterback? I don't think he does because he's played in a playoff game before.
Starting point is 00:05:17 It's his third year in the league. So it's a first-time playoff starter. Let's call it that. Okay. And you look at next week, and Patrick mahomes is going to make his first start i don't know if he's in that same type of group i think the colts win i don't think that's crazy i i haven't i haven't picked any of the games yet like i'm i'm not ready to go on any predictions for any of the games i walked i walked in the door and they said hey we're doing a quick uh
Starting point is 00:05:40 pick segment um on on cbs sports hq with you and Pete Prisco. I was like, okay. Can somebody tell me the lines? I had no idea. This is the early, but I took the three underdogs minus the Patriots Chargers game, which is a four and a half point spread Patriots. You took the Patriots there.
Starting point is 00:05:59 I took the Patriots to cover. I took the Rams are a seven point favorite. I took the Cowboys to cover that one. I took the Colots to cover. I took the Rams are a seven-point favorite. I took the Cowboys to cover that one, and I took the Colts to cover the five-and-a-half point spread that the Eagles are favored. The Colts are favored by five-and-a-half over the Chiefs. Chiefs are favored by five-and-a-half over the Colts. That's right. You took the Colts with the points,
Starting point is 00:06:20 and you took the Eagles with the points. I took the Patriots with the points, I took the Cowboys with the points, and I took the Eagles with the points. I think the Saintsboys with the points, and I took the Eagles with the points. I think the Saints win by a touchdown, but nine points is a little bit too high for me. It's funny you mention the scoring. So just a fun fantasy note that all the quarterbacks not named Phillip Rivers scored between 18 and 22 points in their respective games. The high was Russell Wilson at 22.
Starting point is 00:06:39 Only Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, and Nick Foles threw for multiple touchdowns. Threw for multiple touchdowns. Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson ran for a touchdown. And Trubisky, the only quarterback, over 300 yards passing. So fun little stats there with just how the quarterbacks perform. We'll get into a little bit more of that as we go on. Before we get into the mock draft, I want to talk to you guys about one of today's sponsors, 4hims.com. And the URL you want to go to is 4hims.com slash FFT. That's 4hims.com slash FFT. This is a great product for men who want to be proactive about hair loss.
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Starting point is 00:08:23 We did 15 rounds, so nine starters, six reserves. And again, what we're going to do today is go through our first six rounds, so spend a little bit more time on it, and then we'll go through rounds seven through 12 on Thursday. So for those of you looking for a little bit more in-depth about what happened in the latter half of the draft, We'll cover that on our next show. And then we'll go over what our teams look like. So round one looks like this.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Todd Gurley, number one. Saquon Barkley, number two. Ezekiel Elliott, number three. Christian McCaffrey, four. Alvin Kamara, five. DeAndre Hopkins, six. I picked at number seven. I took Devontae Adams.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Number eight was Melvin Gordon. Number nine, Le'Veon Bell, ten. Michael Thomas, eleven. Antonio Brown, and Dave picked at number 12 and took Julio Jones. So Gurley, Barkley, Elliott, McCaffrey, Kamara, Hopkins, Adams, Gordon, Bell, Thomas, Brown, Julio. So, Dave, I think the first, I don't know, seven, eight picks are probably going to be the top eight picks that we see in most drafts with the six running backs
Starting point is 00:09:25 and two wide receivers. Now, it could be a different order of the receivers. I know you still like Antonio Brown first, as long as he's a member of the Steelers. Some people may prefer Julio Jones in the top two. I think Heath has it that way in PPR. My two top two went, it's Hopkins and Adams, so I don't think there's any big difference there. And then the six running backs are probably going to be the six running backs that you see. Gurley, Barkley, Elliott, McCaffrey, Camara, and Gordon. At number nine, however, that's where I think the draft kind of became a little bit more interesting. And Le'Veon Bell went there.
Starting point is 00:09:53 That's the spot I think you would take him. Is that correct? I might go receiver there. I'll tell you what. So I know that we've talked about how I looked at Le'Veon Bell as a first round pick, and I saw that I was picking 12th, and I started to get into my mind, all right, if Le'Veon Bell makes a first-round pick, and I saw that I was picking 12th, and I started to get into my mind, all right, if Le'Veon Bell makes it to 12, I have to take him.
Starting point is 00:10:09 I've ranked him as a top 12. And I didn't love that. I didn't quite love it as much as I thought I would when I ranked these guys, put it on paper, and then you walk into the draft room, and I'm not so sure about that so when i saw levy on bell go ninth i actually would have taken i was actually happy you would have taken antonio brown at that spot i would have taken brown okay so just to give you an idea of some of the running backs that bell went ahead of and again we're going to talk about where these guys were drafted
Starting point is 00:10:39 but he went ahead of james connor ahead of david johnson ahead of joe mixon nick chubb and dalvin cook and as i alluded to at the start of the show, Chubb and Cook fell to the third round. Now, just for transparency, and this is something that if we did this draft again, it may be an entirely different order probably, again, outside of those first eight picks. We were kind of doing this on the fly. We were using an old draft room for us on CBS Sports. It does not have any current projections. It does not have any current projections. It does not have any current rankings. And so for myself and Dave, we have a little bit of an advantage because we know the players that we're searching for. Most people that were using any
Starting point is 00:11:14 sort of a guide were using our stat pages. So they were kind of searching for players, and it was a little bit more of a difficult exercise but it's just kind of giving you an idea of okay you have to be a little bit aware of who you're searching for and maybe we're in the spots that they should go to so uh just take that into account when you listen to some of the results of this and i just want to be as transparent as possible so you know why maybe some of the players fell to the spots that they felt is that to say that you disagreed with where some of these players well i mean i i'm i'm again we'll see where Le'Veon Bell signs. I do not expect him to be a first-round pick for me by any stretch, and it's going to be difficult for me to put him anywhere close to the first 20 overall picks.
Starting point is 00:11:53 He may sneak into the back end of round two, but I do not see myself ranking him as a top 12 running back, certainly not a top 10 guy, and it's probably going to be in that 13 to 15 range. But you said you were happy to see Le'Veon Bell go because you picked at 12. I think I would have, like if I had gotten Le'Veon Bell, I would have ended up taking him with the first pick in round two just to say, well, look, I got him with the first pick in round two, but it's basically the same thing.
Starting point is 00:12:19 I don't know. I was a little squeamish about it just because of the uncertainty. But honestly, I've thought about it, and I think the Jets are probably going to be the most likely destination. They've got the most money to spend, and that scares me a little bit. If it's anywhere else, even the Raiders, I think I'd be okay with it. I just don't know if I'm okay with it where I initially had him. That's why it's in initial rankings, and we've got time to go. And so because Le'Veon wins.
Starting point is 00:12:48 I think we made that pretty clear, and I just want to make it really clear. The rankings that we talked about, the rankings that you see on our site are going to change a thousand times from now on. There could be a team that comes out of nowhere that takes Le'Veon Bell, and suddenly you're going to be the high guy on Le'Veon Bell. I doubt it. Well, it could happen. Who knows? But that's the
Starting point is 00:13:06 whole point. Sure. Anyway, Le'Veon Bell goes, and I had in my queue Julio Jones, James Conner, or Antonio Brown, James Conner, Julio Jones, Michael Thomas. Very happy to know I was going to get two of those four guys. Sure. And I believe in James Conner. Believe
Starting point is 00:13:22 in that Steelers offense. If they don't make too many changes this offseason, I think it will be great. And Conner can pick up where he left off last year. Yeah, so we'll get to that. You took Conner with the first pick in round two. Antonio Brown at number 11. Now he's going to be probably at this point, just based on the recency of it, a little bit more controversial in the first round, maybe so,
Starting point is 00:13:42 than even Le'Veon Bell because the position that Bell plays versus the position that Bell plays is versus Bell plays versus the position that Brown plays. So Brown went at number 11. He was the fourth receiver off the board. Michael Thomas went before him at pick number 10 and he went ahead of, and this is, you know, something that you may take into account, Julio Jones, Odell Beckham, Tyree Kill, Adam Thielen, Amari Cooper, and Juju Smith-Schuster.
Starting point is 00:14:03 And the reason I went that far was because Juju was the last one selected of this group that I just named. Our colleague, Keith Cummings, who we'll talk about this on Thursday, likes Juju Smith-Schuster ahead of Antonio Brown. And you can see those rankings on our site. It's our top 12 initial rankings for 2019. He has, and I believe this is correct, Juju at number six and Antonio Brown at number seven. So you still think that Brown is a first-round pick. You would have taken Brown had he fallen to you at 12. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Okay. I probably will adjust that if he changes teams, but if he stays with the Steelers, he will still be my third receiver off the board, at least as of now. I do see him trending in the wrong direction as opposed to trending in the right direction, but he still should be a top-five receiver. Heath may have a little bit too low,
Starting point is 00:14:45 but I understand he's thinking, again, he can defend that for himself when he comes back on Thursday. And we'll know where Antonio Brown's playing pretty soon after the start of the league new year, the Steelers owe him money. I think it's two and a half million bucks on the fifth day of the season. So by late March, we'll know if he's a Steeler or not. Well, that's if they have a trade partner. They may not have a trade partner. They'll draft. They may have to eat that bonus.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I would imagine they would have a trade partner before then. This is one of the best receivers in the NFL right now. I'd be surprised if they didn't have a trade partner. I mean, they're going to be asking for the moon, and I don't know why anybody would spend that for a guy that's 31 years old. Well, what's the moon? I think they'll get a first form.
Starting point is 00:15:26 I wouldn't give a first form. I think a team will give up a first-round pick for Antonio Brown. A little bit too much. Amari Cooper got a first-round pick. At 25 years old. There's a big difference in those six years. Yeah, he's better. He's a little better than Amari Cooper.
Starting point is 00:15:38 Sure, but you have to pay him, and you have to invest a lot in him, plus sacrifice your future for somebody that could be a problem and could be an issue in terms of what his production is going to be moving forward who knows if he's the same guy with a different quarterback if he has a younger quarterback that's inconsistent well we've seen it i mean you're right ben roethlisberger that's a fair point and i mentioned this on our last podcast that the chemistry between brown and roethlisberger is real and he would have to start all over with a new quarterback uh yeah and it could be a worse quarterback i mean the jets could spend their draft capital now to try and get somebody in there the the 49ers were said to be interested in
Starting point is 00:16:09 um odell beckham you know they're a lot of a lot of players are actively recruiting antonio brown so we'll see how this all plays itself out all right so we go to round two now and uh dave kicks it off james connor number one in the start of the round so it goes james connor patrick mahomes and the first quarterback comes off the board at pick 14 overall. David Johnson, Odell Beckham, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey to me. So the first tight end off the board at number 18 overall. Adam Thielen, Amari Cooper, Juju Smith-Schuster, Mike Evans, Zach Ertz, and T.Y. Hilton.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Again, that's James Conner, Mahomes, David Johnson, Beckham, Tyree Kill, Kelsey, Phelan, Cooper, Juju, Mike Evans, Zach Ertz, and T.Y. Hilton. Those guys wrap up round two. Two running backs. Two running backs. And again, I think that was probably the biggest surprise of seeing Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook, and Joe Mixon for sure slip into round three. I think those guys are going to be almost surefire round two guys in the majority of drafts next season. And in some cases, they may go ahead of James Conner. They probably will certainly go ahead of David Johnson. So we'll see.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Format will depend on how those guys are viewed. But in some cases, again, I think you may see them for sure go ahead of David Johnson just based on what happened to Johnson this past season. And where guys, especially in terms of Nick Chubb's case, how he performed in his rookie year in 2018. So we talked a lot about where Patrick Mahomes may get drafted. We'll see how he performs in his first playoff game, like Dave alluded to, first game in the playoffs. Well, as a starter, he obviously played in the playoffs last year,
Starting point is 00:17:39 didn't play, was in the playoffs for the Chiefs. What did you think of the value from a homes at 14th? I'm very surprised, very surprised that he went as soon as he did, but it's a team picking early in round two, which means they won't pick again until late round three. He probably realized that Patrick when homes wasn't going to be there in late round three.
Starting point is 00:17:58 So it was George Maselli who made the pick and George decided to splurge on quarterback. He obviously values my home so strongly that he's willing to pass up. Look at all these receivers and tight ends. And even David Johnson passed them all up to get Patrick Mahomes on his squad. Now, the people that had Mahomes on their fantasy teams this year and they won their leagues, they're probably nodding right along with me right now saying, yeah, that's what you've got to do.
Starting point is 00:18:21 He's awesome. He's going to win you your league. I'm not so sure he's going to be 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns two years in a row. I think he'll be really good. I thought it was early. It surprised me. It definitely surprised me. I would have expected him probably somewhere in the latter half of round two,
Starting point is 00:18:36 again, given our drafts. But like you said, if you want him, I'm always a proponent of that. If there's somebody you want, right or wrong, make sure you get him. And that was the only time that George would be able to get Mahomes. Doubtful he would have fallen to round three. However, just to give you a little tease of what's coming up, the next quarterbacks did not come off the board until round five. So maybe he does slip to round three.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Who knows? I'm sure somebody at the end of the second round probably would have considered it. But that's where George pulled the trigger. And hopefully if we were to play this out, it would work out in George's favor. You alluded to this. I said it when I read the results. Two tight ends came off the board in this round.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Travis Kelsey in round number 18 overall. Zach Ertz at number 23 overall. We talked about this a little bit on our different platforms. You were under the impression, I think, that some of the tight ends would get to the latter half of round two. Maybe in the Ertz range would be the first guy that came off the board i think just based on our conversations that's what you were thinking i thought actually that they would both come off a little bit sooner well kelsey in that range i thought urch would be a little
Starting point is 00:19:33 bit sooner than 23 overall and i thought that george kittle would creep into the end of round two and again maybe he would have if we were looking at traditional rankings traditional draft room with projections where he's going to go. I had a conversation with a friend of mine this weekend that thought that Zacherts, and this was right after the Dallas Goddard touchdown, Zacherts is going to lose significant value next year because of Goddard and that George Kittle, potentially Hunter Henry and O.J. Howard should be drafted ahead of them. I'm not there yet, but I can see where Goddard is going to be a little bit of a pain in the butt for Zacherts. I could see Goddard not necessarily taking targets away from Ertz.
Starting point is 00:20:10 I think Goddard's just going to get more playing time and take targets away from everybody in the Philadelphia offense. He's so big and such a tough cover for anybody in the league, just like Zach Ertz is. And now the Eagles are going to be able to roll out both of those guys play after play. In some ways, it'll hurt Ertz, obviously, because Goddard could be, let's call him the third most targeted player in Philly's offense.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Could be the second. Could be the second. And I bet he'll be the second in the red zone. But it'll make it harder for defenses to clamp down on Ertz. It's almost like double trouble, like what the Patriots had back in the day with Gronk and Hernandez. And it caused nightmares for defenses trying to cover both of those guys. Almost assuredly, every week one of them went off.
Starting point is 00:20:53 It makes me a little excited about Goddard. And maybe he's going to be one of those late-round tight ends that we can start to feel good about taking. Yeah, potentially. I mean, you know, like you said, it could be a problem for them in the red zone. He scored on four targets with two catches for 20 yards urts was still the second most third most targeted eagles receiving option in the playoffs against the bears he had five catches for 52 yards on seven targets that was behind alshon jeffrey and golden tate so we'll see how this eagles receiving core looks next season but those could be the top four guys along with now
Starting point is 00:21:23 darren sproles is saying he wants to potentially return. So those five guys would be the main receiving options. The one thing I will say is that what we saw throughout the regular season with Carson Wentz, he leaned on Zach Ertz very, very heavily, more so than Nick Foles has with Foles' time as a starter. So this is where the tight ends come in. Again, the receivers were very dominant in this round. You're seeing some very good value picks from guys like Beckham, who is usually a first-round pick, Adam Thielen,
Starting point is 00:21:48 who some people think could be a top-12 wide receiver. He goes in the middle of this round, and Mark Cooper, Juju Smith-Schuster. Again, Heath likes him better than Antonio Brown. T.Y. Hilton, Mike Evans, two guys that are going to be toward the back end, I think, of the top-12 of wide receivers. So this was a very wide receiver, heavy round for round number two. Now, round three, I was just going to ask you, which
Starting point is 00:22:07 two or three players from round two do you think are going to end up being in round three by players that were taken in our draft in round three that could move up? I don't think Amari Cooper will be a round two pick. I don't think that Adam Thielen will be a round two pick. I don't think that Mike Evans will be a round two pick. And I
Starting point is 00:22:22 could see a situation where you get maybe T.Y. Hilton in the third round also. And probably Tyreek Hill too. I mean, I think you're looking at it. I think Keenan Allen should be ahead of a few of those guys just based on what he typically does in PPR. Definitely Nick Chubb. Definitely Dalvin Cook. And I do think by the time we get to August, you're going to see George Kittle at the end of the third round. And I think you'll see running backs trickle up the draft board, too,
Starting point is 00:22:45 compared to what we saw here. We've talked about it with Cook and Chubb falling to round three. There's other running backs that fell that I bet end up trickling up higher, too. And it'll just further push down wide receivers like the ones you said, Cooper, Thielen. Those two for sure.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Evans, for sure. I think those guys are going to end up being round three picks. And good round three picks. Yeah, no, it's a great round. guys are going to end up being round three picks and good round three picks. Yeah. No, it's a great round. Those are going to be number one wide receivers for fantasy owners that are early on in round one taking one of those stud running backs. That's a good thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:15 It's going to be this. You want to be in the top six this year. I think so. Yeah. I mean, I don't have a problem. Rock solid stud running back one. Great player in round two and a good enough wide receiver one in round three. Yeah, I mean, I don't have a problem. Rock solid, stud, running back one, great player in round two, and a good enough wide receiver one in round three.
Starting point is 00:23:31 Yeah, I still think, though, if you're in the back end, you're still getting two studs, and you can go Gordon, Connor, Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook, any of those guys at the back end of round one or beginning of round two, along with one of potentially Hopkins, Adams, Brown, Thomas, Julio. That's not a bad start either. And then you'll see what ends up at the back end of round three as we get to this now. So first pick of round three is Joe Mixon, followed by Keenan Allen, Stephon Diggs, Nick Chubb, Derek Henry, Dalvin Cook, Phillip Lindsay to me, George Kittle, A.J. Green, Brandon Cooks, Chris Carson,
Starting point is 00:24:03 and then Dave takes Kerryon Johnson to end the third round. So just to recap that, Joe Mixon, Keenan Allen, Stefan Diggs, Nick Chubb, Derek Henry, Dalvin Cook, Phillip Lindsey, George Kittle, A.J. Green, Brandon Cooks, Chris Carson, and Kerryon Johnson. So the running backs, I think, were the most obvious players in this round that kind of stand out and say, okay, why did they fall? And is it just as a result of not seeing
Starting point is 00:24:29 them, paying attention to them, or did they fall for a reason? So Mixon, beginning of round three, how early would you have taken Joe Mixon? I think he's another candidate to trickle up into round two. Oh, I think he's going to be in the top 15 picks. I think this was a steep fall for him. It probably won't happen in drafts come July and August. He's going to be up there. Yeah, I think this was a steep fall for him. It probably won't happen in drafts
Starting point is 00:24:46 come July and August. He's going to be up there. Yeah, I think so. And Nick Chubb is somebody that I would take him over the levy on ball, personally. I think he's right there with James Conner. In non-PPR, he's I think going to be probably my sixth or seventh running back. I just love the upside
Starting point is 00:25:01 for him in this Browns offense. Coach will be a big factor in who they decide on. But he looked impressive as a rookie when he finally got his opportunity. We know what he did at college. So pedigree is there and performance certainly was there as well. And then Dalvin Cook, look, he closed the season with the new offense coordinator when Kevin Stefanski took over, looking like the guy we hoped he would be all season long. Now health is going to be an issue for him.
Starting point is 00:25:20 Can he stay on the field for 16 games? He has yet to do that as a second year player now heading into his third season. So hopefully that will be a situation for him can he stay on the field for 16 games he has yet to do that as a second year player now heading into his third season so hopefully that will be a situation for him and then probably the surprise for me in this round was derrick henry um not necessarily because i don't think it'll be a third round pick in non-ppr but in ppr um he shouldn't go ahead of davin cook and probably not ahead of some of these receivers certainly aj green i think you should take aj green and george kittle ahead of derrick henry i agree i Green. I think you should take AJ Green and George Kittle ahead of Derek Henry. I agree. I think Henry was a little too soon.
Starting point is 00:25:47 I think there will be trepidation on Dalvin Cook, Jamie. I think there's going to be some people that saw all those zeros that he put up because he missed games last year, and they're going to be hesitant to take him as a second-round pick. I think this is going to be right around. I think it will be a narrow range, but he's going to go somewhere between 23rd and 30th in every single draft and this was toward the bottom of that he went 30th overall
Starting point is 00:26:11 uh chubb i think he's going to be ahead of cook in every single draft i i think he's probably going to be closer to round two in every draft certainly in non--PPR. And full PPR, I was a tiny bit surprised, I guess, that he went 28th overall. But where would I not be surprised if he went five picks later? So a smidge surprised that he went as high as he did ahead of guys like Kittle and A.J. Green. Yeah, just interesting, very, very interesting with these guys and falling to the spot. And a lot of people, again, they said after the draft,
Starting point is 00:26:46 oh, I didn't think to take him here. And, again, if you're looking at a rankings list or a draft room, those guys creep into a little bit higher spots in round two. Derrick Henry, though, in round three. So we know he closed the season at least 11 PPR points in his final five games. He rushed for either 84 yards or a touchdown in each game over that span. He did not score in Week 17 against the Colts, but he had over 100 total yards in that game.
Starting point is 00:27:14 We know he's limited as a receiver, but when they committed to him and what he showed us was probably the guy we hope to see all season long. Maybe not to the same heights that he showed us against Jacksonville, against the Giants when he scored at least 30 PPR points in those two games. But do you think Derrick Henry can be a consistent fantasy producer next season? Or was that just a flash in the pan and probably will be overdrafted and be a bust? I'm curious to see if they're going to give him that same type of opportunity at the beginning of the year.
Starting point is 00:27:39 In two of the first three games this year, they tried to feed him. He had 18 carries against Houston and against Jacksonville. Granted, those are tough matchups. He didn't score in them. He averaged three yards per carry. I'd like to know what Deion Lewis' status is and whether or not he's on the team next year. My hunch is that he will stay. Right. So the coaching staff is probably going to believe in Derek Henry and make him the number one guy, but I think they'll be a little hesitant to give him 17 carries, 16 carries, 21 carries,
Starting point is 00:28:08 33 carries. I don't think there's going to be many games like that at the beginning of the year. I think round three might be, especially in this PPR format. I think it's just a little too soon, a little too rich for my blood, non PPR.
Starting point is 00:28:21 I might say late round three on Henry. I guess what I'm trying to say is i don't believe that he'll be as dominant a rusher next year as he was in the last four games this year and and look they didn't have conklin the one of their offensive linemen for a majority of the season they changed the way that they went about their run game toward the end of the year which certainly helped derrick henry and hopefully marcus mariotta's healthy you know i mean for for two of those games mariotta was either hurt or banged up dealing with that stinger issue.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Now, same case to open the season. But when they committed to Derrick Henry by the end of the season and changed the way they were blocking and how they were operating, it certainly worked out in his favor. I took Phillip Lindsey. I think that's a good spot for him in round three. Maybe Phil a couple of spots in my opinion as well. I just think he's got that top 12 type of
Starting point is 00:29:05 caliber upside um so i was thrilled to get him as really my first running back not really my first running back uh because i started with davante adams and then travis kelsey so i like the way i started uh my draft uh two running backs at the end of the third round one you took but chris carson went with the second to last pick you took the last or the first with the penultimate pick uh was ch was Chris Carson at number 35 overall. You took Kerryon Johnson at 36th overall. What was your thought process with Kerryon? Well, can I tie in who I took in round four with him as well?
Starting point is 00:29:33 Sure. I could do a little preview there. I took Aaron Jones at the top of round four, and I love these picks. I noticed that the running back depth was drying up pretty quickly, and it won't dry up quite this quickly come July and August when we've added rookies into the pool and other running backs that we're going to consider breakout players. But I wanted to strike at that position while I could
Starting point is 00:29:57 because I knew that coming back at the end of round five and the beginning of round six, it would be ugly. So I took two fresh, young running backs that ended the season on IR, but hopefully have a lot of gas in the tank for 2019. Yeah, no, I like the Aaron Jones pick a lot. I think he's got round three upside. I would take him ahead of Derrick Henry, personally. Kerryon Johnson was a great pick, too.
Starting point is 00:30:22 I think you hit home runs on both of those. Chris Carson, we'll see how he does going into next season. I think round three is a little bit too rich for me because, as we saw, he struggled against the Cowboys. Rashad Penny still looks like he's got so much upside and explosiveness. Obviously, Carson was a beast at the end of the season, but we'll see how he does to open the 2019 campaign and who, in fact, they view as a starter because we know they had a heavy investment in Rashad
Starting point is 00:30:43 Penny next year. So I didn't like Chris Carson at number 35 overall, but I thought you did very well with Kerryon Johnson and then Aaron Jones. Let's move on now to round four. Aaron Jones, the first pick. Sonny Michel, a great pick as well. Tariq Cohen followed Michel. Then Kenny Galladay, which I thought was a steal in round four. Robert Woods, also a steal in round four.
Starting point is 00:31:00 I took Julian Edelman. After that, Tyler Boyd, Leonardon fournette jarvis landry marlon mack which is looking like it's going to be a steal as well uh courtland sudden which a little bit of surprise and then jerek mckinnon now we're starting to see some of the injury guys that uh that didn't play at all uh coming to play here in round four so just to recap aaron jones sony michelle tarik cohen kenny galladay robert woods julian edelman, Tyler Boyd, Leonard Fournette, Jarvis Landry, Marlon Mack, Cortland Sutton, and Jarek McKinnon. So the first pick that stood out to me was Tyler Boyd.
Starting point is 00:31:32 And again, I think you got some steals here. Aaron Jones being one, Sonny Michel I think was a great value pick, and Kenny Galladay, who when he comes back on Thursday, he'll tell you that he thinks Kenny Galladay is going to be a number one wide receiver in 2019. So I like that value in this spot as well. But Tyler Boyd, so he's coming off a season where he had over 1,000 yards, played really well, fantastic third-year breakout player for the Bengals, playing as the second fiddle behind A.J. Green. What do you think, though, of him going this early in round four?
Starting point is 00:31:57 I thought it was a little too soon in PPR. I think early round five is where he's going to end up going. I thought this was a strange round, by the way. Tariq Cohen isn't going to go in round four. I don't think. I'd be surprised if Leonard Fournette makes it to round four come August. You think he'll be higher? Lower.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Oh. Like a round lower. I think Cortland Sutton was another one that... Oh, Sutton was a big reach. I thought that was a reach, too. But I think almost every other pick in this round was outstanding. A lot of really good value. Good players with good upside. Galladay was a consideration for me with the swing picks.
Starting point is 00:32:36 And if I felt better about the running back depth that would be available to me with my next two picks, he would have been on my team. No consideration for Marlon Mack since you did go to running back? No. No consideration for Mack. I like Jones and go to running back? No, no consideration for Mack. I like Jones and carry on better. He just looks awesome right now. Over 100 yards in three of his last four games, he scored a touchdown now in five straight.
Starting point is 00:32:52 This is including the playoffs, and that offensive line just looks unbelievable and could potentially get better next year. So that's just, I think, a player that a lot of people are going to gravitate toward depending on how far they finish, and I think you're going to see him creep into round three, he may push himself into the top 12 overall running backs just based on how this offense is looking. If he can stay healthy, he's healthy.
Starting point is 00:33:11 Well, and that's the if for him. I mean, he's healthy now. He is, and when he's healthy, he's great. And when he's not healthy, he's a pain in the butt. So if you take Marlon Mack, it just means you've got to get the right handcuff for him. You don't have to do that. You can just load up at depth at running back from other teams and be just fine.
Starting point is 00:33:28 But I think if you draft Marlon Mac, you can't count on him for even 14 games. So you think that Fournette will end up going lower than round four? I think so. If he's the starter in Jacksonville? I don't know if he'll be the starter in Jacksonville. If he's the starter in Jacksonville? I think people are going to have the same concerns about Fournette that they might have about Marlon Mack, where he might not be able to stay healthy for
Starting point is 00:33:49 more than 10, 12 games over the course of a season. No, I understand. He's underrated as a pass catcher, and we know that he's a monster at the goal line. But that's an offensive line that we'll see if they all come back healthy and ready to go. I still think even if they all come back at full strength, they still need some help.
Starting point is 00:34:08 What's the quarterback situation going to be like? McFull. Makes more sense. I mean, they have a defense that's ready to play now. I think you're right. Listen, that wouldn't surprise me. It would surprise me if Leonard Fournette's back in Jacksonville, and it would surprise me if he was an every-down back,
Starting point is 00:34:23 if they counted on him like they did coming into this year. Sure. I think that, especially since they're keeping Marone as their head coach, Tom Coughlin's still going to be at the top, I think they address the running back position in some way, shape, or form this offseason. Oh, I think for sure. I mean, you have a free agent who they're definitely not bringing back,
Starting point is 00:34:42 at least based on reports, in T.J. Yeldon, and Carlos Hyde is probably going to be released because that was a stupid trade who they're definitely not bringing back, at least based on reports, in TJ Yeldon. And Carlos Hyde is probably going to be released because that was a stupid trade that they made. So unless they were to get rid of Fournette and keep Hyde, then Hyde could be the guy there. And then he may be in consideration in round four. I don't think that would be the case. But, nope, as we talked about on the show that you missed with Will Brinson,
Starting point is 00:34:59 if Fournette does take pride in what his craft is, like he said at the end of the season, that he needs to be in better shape, then he comes into camp as the guy, whether there's a lot of competition or minimal competition. If he's the guy, like we saw as a rookie when he was healthy, you're going to be thrilled to take him in round four. He's the type of guy that if you take him to the right spot can help you win your league if he's right. I mean, that's just the nature of how this game works.
Starting point is 00:35:24 If you get talented players that fall in drafts end up being bounce back candidates that's when you end up winning your leagues now courtland sutton uh it was taken by one of our cbs sports hq hosts tommy tran i just happened to ask him about it today how he liked his draft and he said you know he felt like he may have taken sutton too soon i would agree um if sutton gets the right quarterback there, let's just say they move on from Case Keenum, can he develop into a number two type fantasy receiver? Yeah, I think he could be a number two type fantasy receiver, but he's going to need a good quarterback and a good aggressive offense,
Starting point is 00:35:56 and he's going to need red zone targets. I look at him and I see Des Bryant. I think he's got that kind of potential. It would be great, but he needs a lot to go right around him in order for that to happen. He's not a burner. He's just a really big bodied guy.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Who's going to need every bit of 120 targets to warrant getting taken as a top 50 pick. Now this is again, this is where you start to see the fall off at receiver, but some of the guys that he went ahead of, Robbie Anderson, I would have taken Anderson, Doug Baldwin, I would have taken Baldwin, Cooper Cupp, Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, Chris Godwin, DJ Moore.
Starting point is 00:36:36 So he's in this conversation. He probably just went around too soon. If you take him at the end of round five, maybe beginning of round six, then we're talking about, okay, now you've got upside. Round four feels like it's going to be downside. Yeah, you're passing on so many other great players. And I also think that might have been a spot where Tommy could have gone quarterback. I would have gone on the running back.
Starting point is 00:36:55 I mean, at that point, he had Saquon Barkley, and that's it. And there are running backs that win in round five that I think could have been interesting picks for him there, too. Yep. That's also going to be a spot where you'll see rookie running backs go. I don't think there's a slam dunk first-round rookie like we got this year with Saquon or anything like that in this draft. But there will be a lot of running backs that will be put in good position. Sure.
Starting point is 00:37:16 And some free agents that will move. I mean, I took that from Kevin Coleman in round six. That's a great one. Sure. TJ Yeldon, somebody else that can end up in the right spot. Carlos Hyde can end up in the right spot. You know, there'll be some guys that are cut. Lamar Miller may be a great one. TJ Yeldon, somebody else that can end up in the right spot. Carlos Hyde can end up in the right spot. There will be some guys that are cut. Lamar Miller may be a cut candidate.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Mark Ingram is somebody that could be on the move. So there are going to be running backs on the market that you could look at and could be more apt in this spot. Jared McKinnon went at the end of round four. If he's healthy, this is an interesting spot to consider him. Probably going to be more in the round five-ish range. But McKinnon, first guy that did not play in 2016,
Starting point is 00:37:48 excuse me, 2017. What year were we in? 2018. Didn't play in 2018 coming off the board. So let's go on to round five. Robbie Anderson, first player taken there. Eric Ebron, which I thought was a great pick by Tommy to kick off his first pick. That's another guy you could have just taken in late round four. I wouldn't have a problem with Ebron
Starting point is 00:38:04 in late round four. No, I think Ebron will be maybe even a round three guy, just looking at what the tight end position could be. But in any event, Robbie Anderson, Eric Ebron, James White, Doug Baldwin, and here come the quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers, Gus Edwards. I took Darius Geis, Kenyon Drake, Mark Ingram, Lamar Miller, Jordan Howard, and then to close out the round, you took Andrew Luck. So just to recap, Anderson, Ebron, James White, Doug Baldwin, Aaron Rodgers, Gus Edwards, Darius Geis, Kenyon Drake, Mark Ingram, Lamar Miller,
Starting point is 00:38:30 Jordan Howard, and Andrew Luck. Now, again, this was before the playoffs, so there may be some people that have buyer's remorse on Gus Edwards, on Jordan Howard. You know, they didn't exactly perform well. Lamar Miller struggling running the ball, but he was really involved in the passing game. He may have played his last game with the Texans,
Starting point is 00:38:44 just depending on what they decide to do. Doug Baldwin had a disappointing playoff performance against the Cowboys as well. So the quarterbacks, this is, I think, going to be the spot where you start to see these guys go in most of our drafts. I'm sure most regular drafts, they'll probably start to go into the round three, round four range. But Rodgers was the second guy off the board.
Starting point is 00:39:03 Andrew Luck, the third guy off the board to you. What do you think about the quarterbacks going in this round this is a good spot to get them uh i if i can get andrew luck with the last pick in round five and all my drafts i'll take it right now okay i'll sign up for that right now i bet by the time we get to august he's going late round four early round five is our second best score our drafts oh man i think in in average joe drafts and not say that average you know it's the majority of leagues that people are drafting and that don't do what we do i think adriel look will go significantly higher no i agree with that i don't think in our drafts he's going in the round four range i think you're just going to
Starting point is 00:39:38 see these guys around i think people will take him in round four when they realize that there's not a lot left that's excellent. But there was still a lot excellent in this fourth round here. There was. But toward the end, we were, you know, look at who Sutton went. That was Jarek McKinnon? Question mark. Leonard Fournette? Question mark. You have Ebron going in round four. We're going to get to a few other guys
Starting point is 00:39:57 that slipped into this round six, round seven range. So there's still players that are going to be there. I loved getting luck there. Sure. I guess I had a little bit of buyer's remorse later on when other quarterbacks were just going for stupid good value later. And that's going to be the case in most drafts. But I felt like I was stealing Andrew Luck from the rest of the league. You have been hearing me talk like that about quarterbacks for, what, four or five years now?
Starting point is 00:40:25 Sure. That's the feeling you've got to have? That wouldn't have been the feeling that I would have expected if I had taken Patrick Mahomes in round two. George Maselli took Mahomes in round two. That doesn't feel like a steal to me. That feels a lot different than that. Every other quarterback that got taken felt like anywhere from, wow, that's a really good value to oh my god, I'm ripping off the 11 other owners in this league. And that's how I felt
Starting point is 00:40:49 about Luck, getting him there. And I'm sure Nick Costas felt the same way about Aaron Rodgers, who he says is going to have a throw both middle fingers in the sky and say, here I am, I'm back. And I think Coach will depend on that goes, but I thought that was going to be the case with Rodgers this past season, and we know that did not come to pass.
Starting point is 00:41:07 But his young receivers will be a year older. We'll see if Randall Cobb is still part of the team. I obviously invested heavily in Devontae Adams with the first-round pick. So I expect Aaron Rodgers to play at a very high level. As of now, Rodgers is still my number two quarterback ahead of Andrew Luck. So we'll see how that plays itself out. Darius Geist, like I said, I took him in round five, number 55 overall. What do you think about that pick? I'm intrigued by it.
Starting point is 00:41:29 I think if we get to – all right, let me start over. As of now, I think it's a little too high. It doesn't mean it's going to be a bad pick. This might look amazing come August if Darius Geis is running around and doing his thing in Washington. We just don't know. We don't know how ready he'll be for the start of the season. We know that he had a setback recovering from the ACL injury.
Starting point is 00:41:51 So I would not have taken him in round five of a draft in early January, but it doesn't mean that it's going to be a bad choice. Oh, I mean, he could be a round three pick by the time we get to August. He could be a round two pick. If he's playing in the preseason and he looks like nothing ever happened to him, and you know that offensive line in Washington is going to come back strong. Hopefully. And I don't think Adrian Peterson is going to come back
Starting point is 00:42:14 and be the lead ball carrier for Washington. He might be back, but he won't be the lead ball carrier. Sure, they have quarterback questions, too. I mean, there's a lot of question marks in Washington. Guys should be in real good shape. There is such a wide range where he could end up going at all. He could go from undrafted to the second round, literally could go anywhere in between then based on his health
Starting point is 00:42:32 and a lot of other smaller factors. Right, and then you have a lot of the retread running backs that went after him, Drake, Ingram, Lamar Miller, Jordan Howard. Again, Miller, they may decide to move on from him. His cap number escalates to a point where they may not be comfortable with his production, although he did average 4.6 yards per carry in 2018, which was his best number since joining the Texans. Ingram could move on from the Saints or vice versa. We'll see how this goes. He's interesting to me because I think we've seen
Starting point is 00:43:00 him over 16 games still be very good. He's going to 30 years old if he goes to a team that does not feature him to the same level that the saints did which as we know they didn't feature him very much is this a little bit of a reach for mark hangman or could you see his value maybe improve similar to what we talked about with some of the guys i'm not gonna i'm not gonna feel good about mark ingram no matter where he goes he's just getting to be a little too old and i don't know if he can carry a big workload. I don't know if he'll be in a position to carry a big workload. Sure. I thought the running backs in round five,
Starting point is 00:43:33 a lot of them were head scratchers to me, especially considering which running backs went in round six. I thought the running backs, and we'll talk about them in a minute, I thought that those were far more. I thought those were more round five type of running backs than the ones that actually went in round five. I'm very nervous about the future for Mark Ingram. I hate to say it.
Starting point is 00:43:53 He's a good dude. Oh, sure. I mean, look, anytime you leave an explosive offense, it's not exactly an encouraging thing. You don't want to see guys go to a worse situation, but we'll see where some of these new coaches land. Just say, for example, if Bruce Arians takes a job somewhere, potentially Tampa
Starting point is 00:44:07 Bay, and signs somebody like Mark Ingram, I'm going to love Mark Ingram in that spot. So he does wonders for his running backs. And let's face facts. Mark Ingram could begin a training camp with a team, call it Tampa Bay, and they'll have a couple of other... Ronald Jones will still be there. Maybe they draft another guy.
Starting point is 00:44:23 And things happen. Ronald Jones could still be afraid afraid of getting hit and the rookie might not be good and all of a sudden mark ingram is right at the brink of getting 15 plus touches a week and he can't be bad to start the season with he's a zero rb guy in that type of situation and he might be a zero rb player regardless of where he ends up. The type of running back that you'll take, not round five, but a little bit after that, that you'll say, okay, I'm going to load up a wide receiver and tight end and maybe a quarterback too. And I'll just begin the year with Mark Ingram and see where it goes from there. Round six starts with your pick of Cooper Cup, followed by Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley,
Starting point is 00:45:03 Damian Williams, Chris Godwin, I took Tevin Coleman, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Devante Freeman, Evan Ingram, Dante Pettis, and then Hunter Henry comes off to end the round. One more time. Cooper Cup, Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, Damian Williams, Chris Godwin, Tevin Coleman, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Devante Freeman, Evan Ingram, Dante Pettis, and Hunter Henry. Okay, so you asked me in round five what I thought of your Darius Geis pick. I'm going to ask you what you thought of my Cooper Cup pick. Oh, I think it's the right spot for him.
Starting point is 00:45:32 You know, I think you look at what he was able to do when he was healthy. The question will become when we get to August, is he ready for the start of camp? Is he ready for the start of the season? You know, those will be the issues with him. So, yeah, he's in the 25 to 30-ish range of wide receivers, which I don't have the numbers in terms of what the guys were, drafted receivers, but this is where they're starting to come to play. I would have taken him over to Cortland Sutton,
Starting point is 00:45:56 just to give you an example of a guy who went ahead of him. Me too. But this is, look, we're getting to the point of what players do you think have the most upside? That's what you're doing. There are no guarantees, obviously, with any player, but when you start to get into the middle rounds, which is where we're getting to, who has a chance to be a starter for me?
Starting point is 00:46:13 And Cooper Cupp, as we saw before he got hurt, was one of the go-to guys for Jared Goff, one of the go-to guys in explosive offense, and just unfortunate that he suffered the knee injury when he did. Right. So I drafted him to be my number two wide receiver, and it's not the best number two wide receiver. You just talked about how you view him as in that 25 to 36 type of wide
Starting point is 00:46:32 receiver range. I think in a PPR, he can be a little bit better than that. No, I said 25 to 30. I wouldn't, I wouldn't expect him to fall much. Non top 24.
Starting point is 00:46:41 Let's call it that. And I think he can make the cut of a top 24 in ppr on draft day sure if he's healthy i don't i don't and i'm baking on that yeah it's not i was i was very happy to take cooper i think it's a great conversation just with the receivers in this round because you have tyler lockett who was awesome but doesn't catch the ball very much but he was a great fantasy receiver and he closed the season with his last game in the playoffs when he had four catches for 120 yards, showing you what the upside is, with three straight games of at least 12 PPR points.
Starting point is 00:47:11 That's a starting caliber PPR wide receiver. Yep. And then you have the host of young guys. Second year, Calvin Ridley. Second year, DJ Moore. Second year, Dante Pettis. Third year, Chris Godwin. Third year, Mike Williams.
Starting point is 00:47:24 These all were the receivers who went in this round. And so you look at the third year guys. I don't know if Mike Williams is going to get dramatically better in this offense with Hunter Henry coming back. He was good at times but very inconsistent. And I don't know if you're going to get that breakout season. I'm hoping for it because I like Chris Godwin's situation. But we don't know who the coach is going to be. And as we saw, he was good at times but disappointing at others. Now, Deshaun Jackson is gone, so I like the I like Chris Godwin's situation, but we don't know who the coach is going to be. And as we saw, he was good at times, but disappointing at others.
Starting point is 00:47:46 Now, Deshaun Jackson's gone, so I like the upside for Chris Godwin. But what about the second-year guys? Okay, so you've heard Adam Azer say Dante Pettis is going to be one of the players he targets. He was great once Pierre Garçon and Marquise Goodwin started battling injuries, and we'll get Jimmy Garoppolo back. You have DJ Moore, who showed flashes when Cam Newton was 100% healthy, but will he be that guy next year? And then Calvin Ridley, who was a little bit touchdown dependent,
Starting point is 00:48:07 but certainly showed flashes of being a great wide receiver. I think this is the spot where Cooper Cup mixes in with all these guys. This was a great round of taking receivers that have plenty of upside. Where their ceiling goes, maybe not be the same ceiling that Cooper Cup has because we've seen it, but still, that's where these guys sort of fall into play. So this is where, again, you start to take chances on guys that have high ceilings, maybe lower floors, but high ceilings. The Damien Williams pick I thought was amazing.
Starting point is 00:48:35 And this is one that I overlooked myself. I would have probably taken him over to Darius Geis. And so if he does come back next season as the guy with maybe a rookie compliment, I would not be surprised if Damian Williams is the best running back at Kansas City in 2019. That would be something, wouldn't it? Yeah. By the way, if he does come into camp as the lead guy, however far there.
Starting point is 00:48:53 Oh, then round six. Forget about it. It's going to be round two, round three. I don't know that high because we saw some of the guys there. Maybe back into round three. If he's the guy in Kansas City's run game? Look, he's not exactly a featured guy over the course of 16 games. It will depend on who else they have on the roster.
Starting point is 00:49:08 But I think no later than round four. I was very curious to see where he was going to go in this draft because there's so much uncertainty with him. Here's what we know, is that Damian Williams will be on the Chiefs roster in 2019. He could be anywhere from the lead guy to special teams contributor, catches three balls a game. There's so much fluctuation with him. But round six is right around the time where you're going to start taking players that have that type of crazy high upside and crazy low downside.
Starting point is 00:49:43 And you talked about it with a lot of the receivers that went. And I don't have a problem with him going here in this draft. And then look at the running backs that went in late round five. Drake, Ingram, Miller, Howard. Oh, he's got more upside than all of them. Doesn't he? As of now. That's what you've got to go on if you're drafting in January.
Starting point is 00:50:04 I thought also another interesting pick was Devontae Freeman. Now, I took Tevin Coleman with the thought of, again, we don't know where he's going to end up playing. But not in Atlanta. I'll tell you what. I could see him in Kansas City. He's the type of guy that they could turn into a star just based on he's a one-cut-and-go, catches the ball at backfield, at least he did early in his career.
Starting point is 00:50:22 They didn't use him as much as I would have liked to see them in Atlanta this season, or really under Steve Sarkeesian. But between Coleman and Devontae Freeman, another running back that went in this round who should hopefully bounce back at 100%. I would expect 10 plus games of good fantasy production if he's healthy.
Starting point is 00:50:39 You have Williams, Coleman, and Freeman. Coleman's a wild card, so he doesn't know where he's going to play. But Williams could be the best of that bunch, and I think that probably goes without saying. He could also be the worst of that bunch. He could be the worst of the bunch. You're right. You can make the case for all three of them to be the best or the worst.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Yep, and all three guys can end up being a round or potentially two or three higher depending on how healthy they are and or their situation. And this makes my case for why I took Johnson and Aaron Jones. Oh, sure, sure. But the flip side is you're counting on Cooper Cupp to be your second wide receiver. And if he's not, then I can find another receiver that can hopefully cover. It's easier to find the receiver than the running back.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Maybe not, as we saw this season. In PPR, I think it's easier. We saw a lot of running backs coming out of nowhere, Damien Williams being one in particular that was fantastic. Sure, Phillip Lindsey. And Aaron Jones and Kerryon Johnson. So it's one of those situations where all these positions in the NFL today are wide open.
Starting point is 00:51:32 I would agree it's typically easier to find wide receivers and running backs, but don't overlook the fact that we're going to have a lot of rookies in this or several rookies in this upcoming class that are going to be mid- to late-round picks in fantasy drafts because I don't think a lot of them are going to be guaranteed starting roles like picks in fantasy drafts, because I don't think a lot of them are going to be guaranteed starting roles. Like we saw for the past couple of seasons, surprised to see six tight ends go in the first six rounds. Not at all.
Starting point is 00:51:51 I actually was surprised that OJ Howard was not one of them. I was surprised to see Evan Ingram as one of them, but this kind of goes with where we are with our draft boards and, and I didn't hear Rob Gronkowski's name. Yes, we will get into guys like Gronkowski, guys like O.J. Howard. You'll see that Kareem Hunt was drafted in this league, as was Josh Gordon, potentially by the same owner. So we'll get into more of that on Thursday.
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Starting point is 00:53:56 Happy anniversary. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. So let's get into the wild card round. I don't really want to focus too much on the guys who are still playing because we have plenty of time over the next couple of weeks, depending how far they go to recap their fantasy
Starting point is 00:54:08 value, but just kind of an eye on maybe what's happening for the guys that have finished playing and where they will sort of slot in next year. So the Colts beat the Texans 21 to seven. Andrew Luck, 19 of 32 for 221, two touchdowns, one interception, also ran eight times for 29 yards marlon mack was a star 24 carries for 148 yards and touchdown it was his best performance of the season two catches for six yards on three three targets ty hilton did not have his usual dominant game against the texans but still had five catches for 85 yards on 10 targets don't roll inman who i liked as a sleeper coming into this game four catches 53 yards and a touchdown on four targets and eric ebron once again doing what eric ebron does three catches 26 yards and a touchdown on six targets
Starting point is 00:54:49 for the colts dave anything that stood out to you aside from just marlon mack and his amazing performance i was excited to see don traill inman um be such a big factor and we've seen him step up in the last couple weeks to be that number two receiver and i wonder if he's pulling himself into that job in 2019 if he's with the team he's a free agent going receiver and i wonder if he's pulling himself into that job in 2019 if he's with the team he's a free agent going into this off sure but he's trying to earn that contract to stay with the colts and and to yeah but he also may be commanding a salary that made uh you know price him out of it and will the coats who have you know these whole host of other guys they just spent money on ryan grant and uh have chester rogers and may consider going a little
Starting point is 00:55:23 bit younger at that spot they could but they're also one of two teams with over $100 million in cap space. Do you spend it on Dontrell Inman, though? I don't think Dontrell Inman's going to command $10 million a year, which is what Dante Moncrief just got. Sure, but you also may look at Inman saying, I'm not settling for this hometown discount. I'm going to look for dollars elsewhere coming off a strong player performance and a strong close of season.
Starting point is 00:55:44 Like you said, he scored a touchdown in three straight games, maybe rehabilitating his value to the league or at least showing the league that he has some value. So that's interesting. So it's either going to be another team in the league sees him and goes, all right, I want to get this guy. Here's $5 million a year. Or the Colts say, you know what?
Starting point is 00:55:59 You did a nice job for us. Here's $4 million a year. Stick around. Or to your point, they have a lot of money to spend here, $7 million a year, but we're only giving you a two-year deal as opposed to a three- or four-year deal. And take the higher money now to continue what you started. The Colts will be wise and judicious with how they spend their money. They're certainly going to try and extend some of their veterans while they're at it, when they have all this cap space.
Starting point is 00:56:20 But he's certainly doing what he can to earn that long-term role. Ebron is just amazing. Just the fact that the Texans lined him up with Matthew in the red zone with no other big body on him, I thought that that was a big mistake, and it's a no-brainer. The guy's like 6'5", I think. So just an absolute matchup nightmare. I'd like to see him continue to get targets
Starting point is 00:56:43 and be used more aggressively outside of the red zone that whoever says that about a tight end i want to see more usage outside of the red zone because he's been just so amazing in the red zone uh people are going to be excited to draft eric ebron next year who to thunk it and ty hilton got off to a really good start in the game and i think the texans tried to do some things to take him away and the colts were able to take advantage of that, A, by leaning on Inman, and Rodgers had four catches, and B, Marlon Mack had some much clearer lanes to run through. And you talked about that offensive line.
Starting point is 00:57:14 It's such a huge factor for Indy, because not only does it help Andrew Luck out, but it helps Marlon Mack out as well. This is a tough out for Kansas City on Saturday. I think the Colts are going to win. I think they may end up actually playing in the Super Bowl. They're just. I haven't decided, but I think I might be with you.
Starting point is 00:57:29 Unbelievable role. I think the Colts easily cover the spread, though I don't think that the Chiefs run away from them by any stretch. For the Texans, Deshaun Watson, 29 to 49 passing for 235 yards, one touchdown, one interception. He had eight carries for 76 yards. He was sacked three times. That tends to be the norm for him.
Starting point is 00:57:44 Lamar Miller could not get any running room. Five carries for 18 yards, but he did make some plays in the passing game. Eight catches for 63 yards on 10 targets. DeAndre Hopkins battled through a shoulder injury. Finished with five catches for 37 yards on 10 targets. And the star of the game for the Texans was Kiki QT. 11 catches for 110 yards and a touchdown on 14 targets. This was after he had missed the final five games of the regular season
Starting point is 00:58:05 with a hamstring injury, and in his rookie season, he only appeared in six games because of various injuries mostly due to his hamstring. Demarius Thomas, just to tie in some news here with QT and some of the Texans, Thomas, who suffered the Achilles injury in Week 16, said that he does not plan to retire. He's going to be 31 years old, but he might not be back with the Texans based on what his salary implications will be.
Starting point is 00:58:26 And also, let's not forget they have Will Fuller coming back from last year's torn ACL. So, I mean, it's easy to say what the main guys are. Deshaun Watson is going to be a top five to seven quarterback, depending on whatever rankings list you look at. He'll be, you hear we didn't mention him in the first six rounds, he'll be in the seven to 12 range, obviously, a number one quarterback. DeAndre Hopkins was drafted in our most recent mock draft, first-round guy, no question about that.
Starting point is 00:58:48 And then you have the second-tier receivers for Houston. So let's assume they decide to bring Demaryius Thomas back. I don't think that's going to be the case, but maybe they lower his salary and bring him back on a cheap one-year deal. Maybe he structures his contract. How do you view Fuller, QT, Thomas? Because that's the way I would rank them. I think I'd rank them that way as well.
Starting point is 00:59:08 I wouldn't want Demaryius Thomas on my fantasy team unless it's like 18th round pick, something like that. QT and PPR, he's going to have some dud games when they're able to run the ball and when they can't, he's going to have seven, eight catches. And he'll be exciting in full PPR. And Will Fuller should be able to do what he's been doing, which is just beating defenses deep, and Deshaun Watson's in trouble, and he's flushed out of the pocket.
Starting point is 00:59:32 And so his check down pass is the 60-yard bomb to Will Fuller. It's funny, he threw one to Vincent Smith, who got all turned around and didn't know where he was going. And I was thinking as soon as he let the ball go, I'm like, if that's Will Fuller, it's touchdown. Yeah, absolutely it is. I'm surprised QT didn't get a couple of those deep ball opportunities. He's not really that guy, though.
Starting point is 00:59:53 He's got speed. Yeah, but he's more of a shifty guy. He's not really more of just a downfield, go up and win, because he's small. No, he can't go up and win. But if he beats his man and has a step on his man, he can bring in that pass, too. I didn't see that from them this year. And maybe that's an element that they add to him, but I think there's no doubt he's their slot receiver of the future.
Starting point is 01:00:14 I think there's no doubt that you're looking at 80-plus targets for him in 2019. It's a fun receiving core if Will Fuller's back at 100% because Kiki QT did show us some signs of greatness when he was healthy. He just had a hard time staying healthy. Again, only missed 10 games during the course of the regular season, but you see what the upside is. Lamar Miller, like we talked about, went in the fifth round.
Starting point is 01:00:37 If he's back with Houston, is that just the spot you'll see him go? He'll be one of those running backs that you're just, ah, he's a starter. He'll do some things. I mean, look, 1, ah, he's a starter. He'll do some things. I mean, look, 1,100 total yards in 14 games. He scored six touchdowns. Again, it was his best yards per carry with this team. Second best, third best of his career.
Starting point is 01:00:55 Second best since 2014 when he was with the Dolphins. So he's not getting younger, but he's still productive enough. But that was without Deontay Foreman playing the majority of the season with that Achilles injury. Coming back from that, we'll see what role he plays in taking touches away from the Texans. I would not be surprised if they did move on from Lamar Miller and bring in somebody else.
Starting point is 01:01:11 That could be a spot for maybe Le'Veon Bell. It could be a spot for Mark Ingram. It could be a spot for one of the second-tier guys. Tevin Coleman or TJ Eldon, one of those type of guys. I'm hoping that Houston learns from Indianapolis' mistakes of the past and they bulk up their offensive line. They have to. After all the 62 sacks for Deshaun Watson this past year.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Every team would love to have the offensive line that the Colts have, and we've seen teams try it and succeed. Teams try it and fail. The Chargers beat the Ravens 23-17. Just an amazing defensive performance from the Chargers and how they defended the Ravens. They had just played each other in Week 16, and it was Baltimore doing whatever they wanted to on both sides of the ball.
Starting point is 01:01:50 This time, not the case. The score is a little bit misleading. The Ravens had a nice comeback attempt at the end of the game that fell a little bit short, but more so what the Chargers did over three and a half quarters, I think, is what you look at and what was impressive. Now, Phillip Rivers did not have a great game statistically. 22 of 32 for 160 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions.
Starting point is 01:02:07 He actually had a robust three carries for 15 yards rushing, which is not typically what Phillip Rivers does, but a very sound game from him, just not a great fantasy game. Of the playoff quarterbacks, he was the worst. Melvin Gordon, 17 carries for 40 yards and a touchdown, one catch for three yards on one target. He did leave briefly with a left knee injury. That was not the same knee that bothered him a few weeks ago that caused him to miss three games.
Starting point is 01:02:27 So between the two knee injuries and the ankle, got some questions about can you trust Melvin Gordon as a guy, as a first-round pick next year? Yes, you can. Don't necessarily have to worry about that unless it becomes more of a problem throughout the playoffs. We'll see. Austin Eckler, 11 carries for 29 yards. Four catches for 14 yards on four targets. And Keenan Allen, four catches for 37 yards on six targets. He will be very happy to not see the Baltimore Ravens again.
Starting point is 01:02:49 He did not have two good performances against them. Mike Williams, two catches for 42 yards on five targets and a two-point conversion. We'll talk more about the Chargers as we move on. Does anything stand out to you about how they played? As to how the Chargers played? Yeah. I mean, nothing that would cause you to change your opinion on any of these guys. No.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Not at all. They had a tough matchup, man. Yeah. Now, Hunter Henry did not play. We'll see if he's active. That's the report that he will be active for the next round for them against the Patriots. We'll see how that goes, if in fact he does come out there. But I think you still look at it as you saw Gordon was a first-round pick.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Keenan Allen was a third-round pick, I think. He'll probably be a second-round pick in PPR, would be my guess as we get closer to the season. And then Mike Williams went in round six. And Mike Williams went in round six. That's probably a little bit too soon, but we'll see how this offense operates. Austin Eckler, we did not draft yet. For the Ravens,
Starting point is 01:03:38 ugly game for Lamar Jackson until the end, but 14 of 29 passing for 194. Two touchdowns, one interception. He had nine carries for 54 yards. He was sacked seven times, had three fumbles. He lost one of them, so needs a lot of work there. Gus Edwards, eight carries for 23 yards. Kenneth Dixon, six carries for 13 yards.
Starting point is 01:03:53 Three catches for 53 yards on three targets. Willie Sneed, three for 50 on six targets. Michael Crabtree, two for 38 and two touchdowns on four targets. And John Brown had two catches for 14 yards on three targets. Andrews had three for 31 on seven targets from the tight end position and no Hayden Hurst at all. So what'd you learn about Lamar Jackson, maybe to wrap up his season,
Starting point is 01:04:15 any hope for him as a fantasy starter next year? I don't think he's going to be drafted as number one guy, but certainly high end number two. No, everybody's going to remember this game when it comes to drafting Lamar Jackson in 2019. And so I don't blame him i don't blame him let me ask you this though and i understand what you're saying but do you remember it from him just looking awful to start the game or do you remember it as he was awful throughout the game but still got you 20
Starting point is 01:04:37 fantasy points uh it's definitely going to be he looked like he didn't belong on an nfl field to start the game and by the fourth quarter he started to put some things together, but it was too little too late, and the Chargers weren't playing the same type of defense then that they were at the beginning of the game. I was extremely disappointed in the Ravens' offense. I thought that they would lean much more on their running backs, but they couldn't convert third downs.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Jackson was a big part of that. The offensive line was a massive letdown in the game. I thought that they would have been much stronger. Absolutely. And I just, the lack of creativity, trying to use Dixon more, use the tight ends. I guess he targeted Andrew seven times. I can't say that that was disappointing.
Starting point is 01:05:21 And Williams had a catch too. Sure. So they tried to get those tight ends going, but they just didn't attack downfield at all. The Chargers were daring them to try and do that, and the Ravens wouldn't until the end. Would you have played Joe Flacco? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:36 You would have put him in? I would have put him in before the half. I would have probably started the third quarter with him. I would have gone in. What were they down? They were down 12 at halftime, so they got the late field goal. So it was 12-0 at halftime. That's certainly an easy lead to bounce back from.
Starting point is 01:05:52 But they stuck with Lamar Jackson again. He did bring them back in the fourth quarter, but it was too little too late. 23-17 had they gotten an onside kick. Who knows what they would have done. I think they need to really upgrade this receiving court too. You have slow guys in Snead and Crabtree, and John Brown isn't necessarily the number one type of receiver. He needs to be a two or a three.
Starting point is 01:06:10 But he definitely did not play well when Lamar Jackson took over as the starter. So we'll see what happens with John Brown, who I believe was on a one-year contract. Right. He says he wants to be back with the Ravens. We'll see if the Ravens want him back. And then how do you approach the tight ends next year for Baltimore? Is it hands-off?
Starting point is 01:06:25 Because Hayden Hurst was somebody, again, I'll let Heath talk about it when he gets here, but that was his guy. I know I haven't been one dynasty league. It's the lost rookie season for him, whether it be an injury or just poor play. Well, the injury didn't help, and it's going to be mixed use of all these tight ends. Mark Andrews, I believe, finished with the most targets and the best numbers of all Ravens tight ends. And he picked up his play with Lamar Jackson. Sure. So that just might be the guy that Lamar Jackson's the most comfortable with, and therefore he's the one that should get drafted first from the group. They're all going to be late-round stabs anyway.
Starting point is 01:06:55 Yep. We'll see how, again, this receiving core looks like for the Ravens. It's too bad, man. The Ravens defense really held up for a big part of this game. The whole first half, man, they really were outstanding to keep the Ravens in it. Some opportune plays, whether defense or special teams, in the second half with the fumble recovery from C.J. Mosley. Yep. The block punt. Yep.
Starting point is 01:07:19 They did a great job in trying to get them back into the game, but just couldn't get enough. And again, only one sack on Phillip Rivers, so give the them back into the game, but you know, just couldn't get enough. And again, only one sack on Phillip river. So give the chargers offensive line a big, you know, pat on the back because they were terrible in the first game against Baltimore. They couldn't block anybody.
Starting point is 01:07:33 The Cowboys beat the Seahawks 24, 21 for the Cowboys. Cause we'll talk about them, you know, moving on, but Dak Prescott 22 of 33 for two 26, one, one six carries for 29 yards in a touchdown.
Starting point is 01:07:44 You could have had two rushing touchdowns in this game. Ezekiel Elliott, 26 for 137-1, 4 for 32 in the passing game on five targets. Another dominant performance for him. Amari Cooper, once again, getting eight-plus targets. Once again, coming through. Seven for 106 on nine targets. It's just amazing. He gets seven or less.
Starting point is 01:08:00 He doesn't do anything. He gets eight or more, and he's a star. Michael Gallup, 2 for 18 in the touchdown on six targets, and the unfortunate situation with Alan Hearns dislocated his ankle in an ugly, ugly injury. All the reports are surgery went well for him, so hopefully he's able to resume his career. He's hoping to play in August.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Yes, so hopefully that's the case for a good guy. I don't think anything changes. Dak's going to be a borderline, not a borderline number one guy. A borderline pick. I don't know. There will be some going to be a borderline, not a borderline number one guy. A borderline pick. I don't know. There will be some drafts where he doesn't get picked. In one quarterback league, probably so. But he played very, very well once he got Amari Cooper on his team.
Starting point is 01:08:35 And so that puts him, I think, in the conversation to be in the top 15 of quarterbacks. He probably will not get drafted that way, but I would not be surprised if he finishes around 15 or higher just based on what he's shown us. And he's been running the ball a little bit better since they got Amari Cooper. Is this an offense that adds another receiver slash tight end that could put Dak on the map? I don't think so. They invested in the tight end between Blake Jarwin and Schultz over the last couple of seasons. I don't know if that's the spot that they necessarily have to upgrade unless there's a star that's available to them. don't go get jimmy graham if he's cut by the the packers you know stick with the young guys that maybe have a little bit more upside and jarwin showed us that
Starting point is 01:09:11 he can make some plays when they start to feature him a little bit more uh they obviously invest in michael gallup he's a great number two guy colby's a good slot receiver uh it's a good receiving core when you have a guy that looks like a number one which is amari cooper's kind of role and he's played that i think very well once he came to Dallas. And obviously the run game being what it is, plus keeping Ezekiel Elliott more involved in the passing game. So you know what Zeke is, you know what Cooper is, and you really know what Dak is.
Starting point is 01:09:33 Gallup will be a late-round pick. For the Seahawks, Russell Wilson, 18-27 for 2.33 and a touchdown. Three carries for 14 yards and a touchdown. Chris Carson, this is one of the more disappointing things for me for the weekend. 13 for 20 on the ground. Two catches for minus one yard on three targets. Rashad Penny, four carries for 29 yards. Mike Davis, four carries for 10 yards, two catches for 22 yards on three targets. Tyler Lockett, we talked about this a little bit earlier,
Starting point is 01:09:56 four catches for 120 yards on six targets. Doug Baldwin was a little disappointing, three for 32 on six targets. And J.D. McKissick did catch a touchdown on two catches for 13 yards on three targets so uh you saw Chris Carson in that draft go in the third round um I know it's you know looking at what just happened but do you think he established himself enough to be a third round pick in first fourth round pick in fantasy or is he uh is somebody that going to be a little bit hard to trust given that Rashad Penny looks like he could take away significant carries?
Starting point is 01:10:27 And that's the whole thing. It's that Rashad Penny is going to be there, and Pete Carroll's going to say, well, we've got two great guys for both of them. We've got two number one running backs. He'll mix and match both of them. So I think it was a little too soon to go with Chris Carson. I love Chris Carson as a talent.
Starting point is 01:10:44 I think he could be little too soon to go with Chris Carson. I love Chris Carson as a talent. I think he could be the main running back there, but he's up for competition. It's not going to be handed to him. Rashad Penny is going to compete for playing time. He'll push for it, and he'll get upwards of eight carries
Starting point is 01:10:59 per game at minimum. And if he has a great preseason and proves that he can put it all together, which he couldn't do this preseason, then he'll be the lead guy and Carson could be the backup. It'll be interesting to see how this all unfolds in training camp. The two receivers, Doug Baldwin in our draft, was drafted ahead of Lockett. He was in round five. Lockett was in round six. Do you see that maybe getting flipped next year? I think there's going to be a lot of talk about whether or not Tyler Lockett's 2018 is sustainable.
Starting point is 01:11:27 For starters, he played 16 games, which hasn't always been the case for him. He's been banged up. But he had 10 touchdowns and 965 yards during the regular season. He had the fewest catches of any of the top 24 PPR. And probably the fewest targets, too, right? He had 70 targets. I can't imagine that there were more. So I don't know if that's sustainable.
Starting point is 01:11:46 I think I'd probably lean toward Baldwin, who did put it together toward the end of the season when he was healthy. And he's going to go into the offseason seemingly healthy. But getting older, Lockett, this is his fourth season in the NFL, so still entering his prime. I think you still take Baldwin in PPR, but
Starting point is 01:12:02 non-PPR may be a little bit closer, just based on what the upside is. Lockett's got that touchdown ability where Doug Baldwin did not have that this season. Again, health could be a big reason why, but it'll be a fun conversation next year. Final game of the weekend. Final game we'll talk about here. Eagles 16, Bears 15. Cody Parkey
Starting point is 01:12:17 could have been the hero. Unfortunately, it was the GOAT hit the upright and the crossbar on a 43-yard field goal attempt that seemed to apparently be tipped barely at the line of scrimmage, but unfortunately for Parkey, please don't be an idiot that's making death threats to him. I mean, that's just so stupid. He's a football player. He's trying to do his job.
Starting point is 01:12:34 He would have been the hero had he made the kick. Unfortunately for him, that's just the nature of the position. He misses the kick barely, and the Bears are eliminated. For the Bears, Mitchell Trubisky, good performance, 26 of 43 for 303, one touchdown, three carries for nine yards, good performance in terms of his fantasy, not necessarily on the field.
Starting point is 01:12:49 Made some good throws, though. He made some bad throws, too. Made some bad throws, too. Looked a little choppy at times, especially early in the game. Jordan Howard, 10 for 35, disappointing for him. He had either a touchdown or 100 yards in each of his final four games. Tariq Cohen, another disappointing performance for him. One carry for no yards, three catches for 27 yards on five targets.
Starting point is 01:13:06 Where was this Allen Robinson all season? Ten catches for 143 yards and a touchdown on 13 targets. Taylor Gabriel, four for 37 on nine targets. Anthony Miller, three for 34 on five targets. And Trey Burton did not play in the game because of a groin injury. A mysterious groin injury. Apparently got hurt in practice toward the end of the week, so we'll see what happens there.
Starting point is 01:13:24 What were your thoughts from the Bears at the end of the season here? I was surprised they didn't try running it a littlearring injury. Apparently got hurt in practice toward the end of the week, so we'll see what happens there. What were your thoughts from the Bears at the end of the season? I was surprised they didn't try running it a little bit more. Maybe it's just because they didn't have that much success in the beginning, but Tariq Cohen only had one carry, five targets, that's it. I thought they would have tried to get him more involved. I would have expected a little more work for Jordan
Starting point is 01:13:40 Howard than 10 carries. The Bears really didn't attack Philadelphia downfield much until the second half of the game. And that's when Allen Robinson really started to show his, what would it be then? His 2016 form when he had that monster year? Yeah, where was this guy all season long?
Starting point is 01:14:00 It gives me some hope that maybe there will be a connection with Trubisky and that Robinson will be worth taking maybe as a wide receiver three on draft day with the potential to be much, much better than that. Yeah, no, it would be nice to see a little more consistency from him. Based on, we didn't mention Allen Robinson yet in the draft, so he went after the first six rounds. Yeah, I wonder if we did it today where he'd go. You're right.
Starting point is 01:14:26 In that maybe right around where Cooper Cup went, in that same type of range with the second-year, third-year receivers of Godwin and Mike Williams and Ridley and those guys, he probably would be in that round for sure. So for the Bears, it's really going to be Robinson. I mean, Anthony Miller and Taylor Gabriel, if Gabriel's back, will certainly be drafted. You still feel comfortable calling Miller the best Bears wide receiver next year?
Starting point is 01:14:46 Or do you think now it'll be Robinson after what you've seen? Because Miller did not close the season playing well. Right. It's the end of the season. Yeah, maybe Miller's going to fall a little farther down my draft board now and be more of a sleeper that I'll speculate on rather than, all right, I'm going to draft him to be my wide receiver three. Right.
Starting point is 01:15:04 Whereas Robinson will be the guy that I'll say, well, he did finish strong, and he's been doing it for a while, so it's the safer pick. And as we alluded to, Cohen maybe went a little bit too soon in this draft. He was in the round four range. Yes, too soon. And Jordan Howard in that retread guy is round five. I think that's kind of where he'll settle next year as well. For the Eagles, I mean, look, Nick Foles,
Starting point is 01:15:27 who knows where he'll be playing next season, but 266, 2-2, both touchdowns came in the second half. Darren Sproles in the run game was really nonexistent. He led the running backs with 13 carries for 21 yards. I was really surprised that Josh Adams was just a non-factor, one carry for two yards. It's almost as if he was injured, but did not get any reports on that following the game.
Starting point is 01:15:45 Smallwood started. Yeah, and he was, you know, unfortunately it was one of the reasons for one of Foles' interceptions where he had the ball stripped from him from Wilcron Smith. Alshon Jeffrey, 6 for 82 on nine targets. Zach Ertz, 5 for 52 on seven targets. Talked about him and Dallas Goddard. Goddard had 2 for 20 and a touchdown on four targets.
Starting point is 01:16:03 Golden Tate showed up, made a big play, justifying the trade, I guess at least for one game. Five catches for 46 yards and then touchdown, the game-winning touchdown on eight targets. Any takeaways from the Eagles right now? I thought that was a great play call at the end to have the Bears focus on Alshon Jeffrey
Starting point is 01:16:19 running the corner flag route and Tate was right behind him with the weaker cornerback on him. They went after the weak spot in the defense, which was the backup slot corner, McManus, I believe it was, and Tate scored. It was a nice play by him. I don't think it's going to be enough to make people think about taking him
Starting point is 01:16:39 with who or certainly where he was taken this year, but he's a free agent, if I recall correctly, after the year. And we'll see where he ends up going. If he's in Philadelphia, then I don't know if he'll be someone that will be excited about drafting. I was a little disappointed with Nelson Aguilar. I thought he would have had a better game. Yep, had a nice catch and a move on the sideline,
Starting point is 01:17:00 but not really a significant factor. Mike Wallace did not play, so we'll see how this unfolds for the Eagles next week in their game against the Saints. All right, let's go through some rapid-fire tweets to close the show. Our buddy Jim Sias wants to know, 12-team half PPR keep Melvin Gordon with a third-round pick, Marlon Mack with an 11-round pick, Gus Edwards or Josh Adams in the 15th round?
Starting point is 01:17:22 Which of those guys would you recommend? Melvin Gordon was the third round pick, you said? I'd probably go there, but Mack was where? The 11th round. And I can only pick one of those guys? You can only keep one. And how long can I keep them for? One year.
Starting point is 01:17:37 Every keeper question unless I tell you is one year. Okay. I'll keep Melvin. You'll keep Melvin Gordon. Okay. I will keep Marlon Mack in the 11th round. PPR Keeper League, keeping Ertz with the third round value, can keep two of these guys.
Starting point is 01:17:51 Kenny Galladay in the seventh round. Cortland Sutton in the sixth round. Chris Godwin in the eighth round. Traequan Smith in the 16th round. Anthony Miller in the 16th round. Curtis Samuel in the 16th round. Or Chris Carson in the fifth round. Galladay in the seventh.
Starting point is 01:18:01 Sutton in the sixth. Godwin in the eighth. Traequan in the 16th. Anthony Miller 16th. Samuel 16th. Carson fifth round. Galladay in the seventh, Sutton in the sixth, Godwin in the eighth, Traquan in the sixteenth, Anthony Miller sixteenth, Samuel sixteenth, Carson fifth round. You had me at Kenny. Galladay in round seven. And one more. It might be
Starting point is 01:18:16 Godwin. Godwin was round eight, I believe you said. Godwin was round eight, so you'd keep him over Chris Carson in the fifth. Yeah, because I think Carson's going to end up going right around that spot when everything's all said and done with Rashad Penny. I think Godwin's more of a bargain there, especially in the PPR. I will take Carson in the fifth just because it seems there's three keepers.
Starting point is 01:18:34 A lot of guys are going to dry up. Yes, keep George Kittle in the 13th round. All right. Always a good idea to keep Kittle in round 13. All right. Got to get to keep two keepers. Have both Kerryon Johnson and Aaron Jones. Thoughts on both?
Starting point is 01:18:52 Both will have new offenses. That's not really a question. You'd obviously keep Kerryon Johnson and Aaron Jones if you can. Of course, especially if they're late picks. If the question was about how might they be used next year, let's see who the coordinators are. For years, the Lions were using two, three running backs, and it was frustrating.
Starting point is 01:19:10 You all got a taste of that this year until carry-on broke out. I think carry-on's got a very good chance to be the featured back in Detroit. All right, keep four of these five. Patrick Mahomes, Todd Gurley, Christian McCaffrey, Nick Chubb, or DeAndre Hopkins? Mahomes, Gurley, McCaffrey, Chubb, or Hopkins? My God. Does it say how many teams are in the league?
Starting point is 01:19:32 Assume 12. Gurley, McCaffrey, and Chubb are the three running backs? Yep. My goodness. Am I throwing back Nick Chubb or am I throwing back Patrick Mahomes? I'm throwing back Mahomes. I'm keeping Gurley, McCaffrey, Chubb or am I throwing back Patrick Mahomes? I'm throwing back Mahomes. I'm keeping Gurley, McCaffrey,
Starting point is 01:19:46 Chubb, and Hopkins. If it's a 12 team league, I think I'm throwing back Chubb. All right. Keep one. Nick Chubb for a 15th round pick. Zach Ertz for a 12th round pick.
Starting point is 01:19:57 Oh, I'm sorry. This is money. Keep Nick Chubb for a $15. Zach Ertz for $12. Or Adam Thielen for $20 in a $200 half PPR auction league. Chubb for $15. Ertz for $12, Thielen for $20. Thielen's last on the list.
Starting point is 01:20:14 I think I'd go with Chubb. I'm going to go Ertz at $12. Do I keep James Conner or Kelsey in a two-player keeper league or throw them back and get the first two draft picks back? So would you rather it's 10 teams, two teams. Connor and Kelsey not picked until round three. I'm fine with that. Not picked until round three.
Starting point is 01:20:34 Okay, so Connor essentially would be round one, Kelsey round two. Sure, that's great. One keeper in exchange for draft pick or round selected took guys specifically for keeper implications in the 14th round, wondering if Lindsey has changed her mind on who to keep. So would you rather keep and lose the draft compensation? Geis in round 14 or Lindsey in round 12? I'd keep Lindsey.
Starting point is 01:20:53 Yes, I'd keep Lindsey. His knees are intact. Keep two. Tyree Kill for a fourth round pick, Patrick Mahomes for a 10th round pick, or Kerryon Johnson for a seventh round pick? We're going to be tested with these Mahomes questions all offseason. I think I'm keeping Mahomes. No, you keep two. Oh, carry on Mahomes.
Starting point is 01:21:14 I'm throwing back Tyreek Hill on the 4th. You're throwing on – okay. I probably would go with – I'm going to throw back Mahomes. I'm going to keep Tyreek and carry on and just go with the skill players. Would you rather keep? We'll do two more of these. David Johnson for a first-round pick or Robert Woods for a ninth-round pick? It almost didn't matter who you said after David Johnson for a first-round pick.
Starting point is 01:21:35 I was going to take the other guy. I don't think David Johnson's a first-rounder. Go with Woods. Okay. Here's an interesting one. Last one. We'll close with this one. All right.
Starting point is 01:21:42 Keep two in a PPR league. Julio Jones, Juju Smith-Schuster, James Conner, or Le'Veon Bell? I'm not keeping Le'Veon because of the age restriction for him. I think I'm keeping the receivers. You're keeping Julio and Juju? Yeah. Okay. But it's just one year. So just for 2019.
Starting point is 01:22:02 You just drafted Julio and James Conner over Juju. If it's for one year, then I'll throw back Juju. So you're keeping Julio and James Conner. Remember, it's not Dynasty. Just keep them. So you're just talking usually one season for those guys. All right. Thank you for the questions.
Starting point is 01:22:13 We'll get through more of them as we get throughout the course of these next few weeks. I apologize that this show went long. I'm sure I'm going to get yelled at from Adam Azer. We'll be back again on Thursday. Heath Cummings will hopefully be back with us. For Dave Richard, I'm Jamie Isenberg. Thanks for listening. You guys go bye.

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