Fantasy Football Today - 03/28: The Dynasty Episode! (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: March 29, 2019

Spending more than an hour talking Dynasty with Ryan McDowell of Dynasty League Football (@RyanMc23). First we get into the Jordan Howard trade (2:24) and whose value changes most in Dynasty leagues. ...Then we've got a Dynasty Q&A for Ryan (10:00) as we talk strategies, RB vs. WR, best formats for a Dynasty league, the value of the rookie draft picks and more ... We throw together a quick mock draft for a startup Dynasty league (20:10). Who are the top 12 picks? Did Todd Gurley make the cut? What about Nick Chubb? ... Some rankings disputes between Ryan and Heath (31:30) and a long discussion about Derrius Guice (37:50) and the effectiveness of tanking in Dynasty leagues ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome, everybody. It's Fantasy Football Today.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Finally, we've got the Dynasty Edition. I've been saying for like a week, yeah, we're going to have a Dynasty show. We're going to have a Dynasty show, we've got the Dynasty Edition. I've been saying for like a week, we're going to have a Dynasty show. We're going to have a Dynasty show. We finally have the Dynasty show. I am Adam Azer. What's up, Heath Cummings? We're going to be using some of your Dynasty rankings today.
Starting point is 00:00:34 Are we? Yeah. That's awesome. Great. I don't think you have my Dynasty rankings. Yeah, but I know. I'm looking forward to that. Certain players, I know where you have them.
Starting point is 00:00:42 So we'll be using them. Jamie, we're not going to be using any of your rankings. That's probably good for our listening audience. But we have a special guest today. We have Ryan McDowell of Dynasty League Football. You can follow him on Twitter at RyanMC23, which is a very cool DJ name. Ryan McDowell, welcome to Fantasy Football today. How are you doing?
Starting point is 00:01:04 I'm doing well, guys. Thanks for having me on. What's the 23 for? Don Mattingly? Don Mattingly. You got it. What? Really?
Starting point is 00:01:11 Yeah. Yep. I grew up a Yankees fan, and at that point, Donnie Baseball was all we had. So that was an easy choice. That is weird, because I know you're from Louisville. I had no idea. What a great guess by me, everybody. Do we want to start over?
Starting point is 00:01:27 Why? I don't want everybody to hate Ryan because he's a Yankees fan before they even hear anything. I was going to ask you if the Royals were already mathematically eliminated. The Royals are undefeated. Thank you very much. Ryan, just to let you know that Adam scoured the industry for Dynasty expert, and he waited until he found a Yankees fan. So that's how you were chosen to be on our show.
Starting point is 00:01:50 Hey, that's okay. I'm good with that. Yeah, yeah. You know what we're talking about. All right, so we're not going to get into a lot of news today. We will talk about the Jordan Howard trade going to the Philadelphia Eagles. But mostly we're going to talk about Dynasty as a whole, some strategies, the running back versus wide receiver conundrum.
Starting point is 00:02:07 We're going to do a mock draft of a PPR startup Dynasty. What would the top 12 picks be? And we will get into some rankings debates between Heath and Heath's rankings, which I don't really have, and Ryan's rankings, which I do have. So first the Twitter poll, and this is the piece of news we'll get to today. Ryan posted this on Twitter. Again, he's at RyanMC23. Who gained the most dynasty value as a result of the Chicago-Philadelphia trade?
Starting point is 00:02:36 That is Jordan Howard going over to the Eagles. And I voted, and right now my vote is winning, but the options were Jordan Howard, Mike Davis, Tariq Cohen, or other. And Ryan, what would you say? Jordan Howard, Mike Davis, Tariq Cohen, or other, who gains the most value in this trade? For me, it's Jordan Howard. We've heard the trade rumors basically all off season. And I mean, he was just siphoning value there in Chicago is his numbers have decreased each year. They were clearly ready to move on. And the Eagles obviously had that hole to fill. We know it's going to be a committee in Philly. That's what we've seen the past,
Starting point is 00:03:15 uh, two or three years, really the entire time Peterson's been there, but it has to be a pretty nice value bump for Jordan Howard. Oh, that is not who I voted for. Guys, Heath, Jamie, what do you think? Who gains the most value in this trade? For me, it would be where you're starting from. Like if we're talking about from the end of the year last year before we knew that Matt Nagy hated Jordan Howard, I would have probably not thought this changed Jordan Howard's value at all.
Starting point is 00:03:46 But I agree with Ryan that after what's happened over the last month, his value had fallen enough that he probably is. If we're going from the end of last year, I'd probably say Tariq Cohen. Oh, for me, I thought you were going Mike Davis. Because Tariq Cohen, I don't think his value changes
Starting point is 00:04:00 in this scenario too much. I hope he gets a bump. I spoke to him at the Super Bowl. He said he wanted to get a little bit more work. So he had 170 total touches last year. I think he can get to 200 if things work out optimally in his favor. But Mike Davis goes to take Jordan Howard's old role. I'm just kind of assuming there's going to be someone else that's drafted that takes well they don't have a lot of draft picks that's the problem you know the khalil mag trade kind of
Starting point is 00:04:29 hurt them they could still take somebody clearly but i i want to see both these backfields after the draft but i think if we're coming like that where you what you explained heath coming from where last season ended to where we are right now, the leap that Mike Davis gets, I think, is so significant that he gets the most value. Now, that's more of a seasonal thing than a dynasty thing. This sort of saves Jordan Howard, in my opinion, because he was going to potentially fall on his face if he didn't end up in a team like this that gives him a chance to be the starter. All right. So, Ryan, why do you think 43% of the vote went to Tariq Cohen, which is who I voted for? 35% Mike Davis, 90% Jordan Howard, 3% other.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Make the case for Tariq Cohen getting the big bump. Yeah. I mean, I think he's probably, he's the biggest name when it comes to dynasty in the trade. He had already eclipsed jordan howard despite howard being the starter cohen was already the guy that dynasty owners wanted in that backfield so i guess that's it but i agree with you guys that i think the bears are clearly going to add someone if they don't davis gets the big bump in in my opinion and i think we'll see a pretty similar role for cohen that we saw the past couple years okay yeah i voted for cohen because i thought that maybe this was a sign that his role would increase a lot like naggy said i could get the quote for you but naggy
Starting point is 00:05:58 said at the super bowl excuse me at the owners meetings this week that he doesn't necessarily want to overwork him in terms of tree cohen which kind of makes sense you know just how they used him a year ago uh it's frustrating because you know you'd like to see him with like i said just a few more well touches yeah and i think that's the thing like there is a a huge gap right between tarik cohen feature back and tarik cohen last year he had 99 carries last year right if I right now for my projections for this year I'm at 135 which I guess is two and a half more carries per game uh but that does make a pretty decent difference in that running back two range I I agree I mean like I said if he can go from 170 total say the catch stay the same like you said if he gets to 130 carries that puts him right about 200 total touches.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Then you're talking a significant enough boost where Ryan's right. I mean, I don't think it's just dynasty. I think it's also seasonal. And we're talking more PPR here than non-PPR. The view is that Cohen is the better, or at least comparing to Howard, was the better running back. I think Davis, though, the difference between Davis and Howard is, I think Nagy will view Davis as a pass catcher.
Starting point is 00:07:10 I don't think he viewed Howard as a pass catcher. Now, Davis showed he could do that last year in Seattle. He had some good moments when Rashad Penny and Mike and Chris Carson were banged up. So, I think that's, I think, where it kind of hurts the ceiling play for Tariq Cohen.
Starting point is 00:07:27 I don't know if he's going to get to the place we want him to get to or we're hoping he gets to. Because Davis may not be as good of a runner as Jordan Howard, at least was. But I think he's a better, more well-rounded running back, especially in this offense. Ryan, how do you see these three getting drafted at Dynasty Leagues? Oh it's certainly still Cohen as the first guy off the board really really not even close and then and then Howard will be next. I expect Howard to again to get a pretty nice bump value-wise if you're looking at ADP data which we have over at Dynasty League Football, Howard should climb probably one or two rounds just based on this trade. And then Davis, I think Dynasty owners are just going to be a little scared to invest
Starting point is 00:08:13 until we actually get past the draft, see what they do. I think they're going to draft a running back. It just depends how early. Okay, last question to wrap this up, and I'll start with you, Ryan. What are your expectations for Jordan Howard in Philadelphia? This is a guy who still had 935 yards and nine touchdowns on 250 carries, and he added 20 catches. So, I mean, at the end of the day, his production's been there each of the last two seasons, and certainly in his rookie season when he was really impressive. But it has sort of felt like, I don't know, it has not felt very electric.
Starting point is 00:08:48 It's been kind of frustrating and unexciting. But is he still capable of putting up big numbers? Does the move to Philadelphia help, or is he just sort of, I don't know, a plotter who just needs a bunch of work in order to put up good numbers? Yeah, I don't think that's going to change. We're not going to suddenly see him become an electric-type player. I think that's what they tried to do at the beginning of last season when they were feeding him targets, and we saw how that went.
Starting point is 00:09:16 So he's going to be the same type of player, but I think in Philly they just don't have as many options. They don't have a Tariq Cohen that they can put in there and steal those targets or even steal that work between the 20s. So I would expect him to have maybe a LeGarrette Blunt type year that we saw, I believe, two years ago with the Eagles. And I think he only ended up with a couple touchdowns that year, which is really hard to believe. But he had over 750 yards. I expect pretty much the same from Howard, maybe more yardage and almost certainly more touchdowns. All right. I'm going to put a little wrap on that news. Let's talk dynasty here. Ryan, for the sake of our listeners, what is the difference between a keeper league and a dynasty league?
Starting point is 00:10:08 Sure. So in dynasty, you're essentially keeping your entire roster from year to year. In keeper leagues, you're keeping a limited number of players, sometimes as few as one or two, sometimes 10 or 15. But in dynasty, you're keeping everybody. You're still dropping players. You're making trades just like any other league, but you at least have the option to keep your entire roster from year to year. If you were going to recommend some settings for a Dynasty League,
Starting point is 00:10:37 the first one I would recommend, and you and I are in a Dynasty League together, you got to have a lot of starters because Dynasty Leagues usually have big rosters. And one Dynasty League I play in has normal-sized starting lineups. And it's like, what's the point? I've got so many more guys on my bench. This is useless. So I like to expand it. We have one quarterback, a super flex, which obviously is usually a second
Starting point is 00:11:01 quarterback, two running backs, two wide receivers, tight end, and then three flex spots. And it's PPR. What recommendations would you give somebody who's starting a second quarterback. Two running backs, two wide receivers, tight end, and then three flex spots. And it's PPR. What recommendations would you give somebody who's starting a dynasty league? I totally agree with you. Not only large rosters, but large starting lineups as well. I like to start at least 10 players in my leagues. And you mentioned super flex.
Starting point is 00:11:21 I think that's another setting that I would encourage even, even new dynasty players to use. Um, I play in several one quarterback dynasty leagues and, and honestly, outside of guys like Patrick Mahomes, I mean, quarterbacks are a dime a dozen. They simply have no value. Even if you're talking about guys like Russell Wilson or Cam Newton, you can hardly trade those guys for a first round rookie pick. Ryan, I think one of the questions we get often is in a full dynasty league, let's assume we're not playing IDP. How many rounds do you generally go in the rookie drift? Most of my leagues are four. I think you'll see three or four as being pretty much the standard.
Starting point is 00:12:06 And then, as you mentioned, with IDP, that would obviously increase. But I think three or four is pretty typical. And how about the regular draft? If you're doing a startup, how many rounds would you recommend? Well, again, there you're determining your roster size, how deep that draft is. So my role is typically two and a half times your starting lineup. So if you go with those larger starting lineups, 9, 10, 11 players, you're typically talking about at least 25 rounds and 25 roster spots.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Yeah, and it's fun. I mean, then you start really looking for gems, hidden gems, guys that might not pay off this year, but hopefully will pay off in a year or two or maybe in the second year. Running backs or wide receivers? Kind of a loaded question in Dynasty, but is there like a rule of thumb? Well, it's I mean, that's something that's been changing over the past couple of years. We had a long stretch there where the entire dynasty landscape was dominated by wide receivers. And of course, if you go back 10 or 12 years, that was running backs with guys like LaDainian Tomlinson and Sean Alexander, Larry Johnson. So we saw that shift to wide receivers
Starting point is 00:13:18 when AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson came into the league, and now it's shifted back now that we have the elite running backs. And it really just comes down to the talent that's in the league at the time and the depth of that talent. Right now, I think wide receiver is a little bit deeper. That's why you'll see a lot of dynasty players building their teams early around those running backs. There's, of course, some very talented running backs, but I think the depth is still a question at that position. By the way, everybody, I have a bunch of your Dynasty League emails that I've been saving for weeks that I will read at the end of the show,
Starting point is 00:13:56 fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. So, Jamie and Heath, how many years out do you plan your picks, your teams? It's funny because the two dynasty leagues I'm in, I wonder how long they'll be going for. I think that's something people have to take. No, I'm being serious. You wonder how many people are going to drop out. The one that Heath and I are in, in the office,
Starting point is 00:14:24 we've had some turnover in the people that are in the league you know that don't work for the company anymore and you wonder how how many people are going to actually participate next year without heath having to try and you know find five or six new owners um it's it's that's just uh i think something people deal with is is the commitment level but uh i i would say you should probably look two to three years yeah and i probably am more short-sighted than the typical Dynasty player, but I still think that three-year window is a pretty good one. You can look longer for certain positions, but I don't know how I plan on a running back more than three years. Right, and I think that's an argument
Starting point is 00:14:59 for a wide receiver. You can expect more longevity, but it's hard to pass up great talent at running back. We know what those number one running backs, those studs, can do for your fantasy team. But keep in mind, if you're playing in a deeper league, any one particular player has less of an impact on the percentage of overall points scored. And I am looking forward to doing this little startup mock draft
Starting point is 00:15:22 that we're going to do in a bit. All right, I'll just ask a few more questions here, Ryan. What about tanking? It's so popular in professional sports. What about in Dynasty Fantasy Football, tanking? Yeah, so I think that was interesting that you mentioned the uncertainty with how long the league will last because tanking has to come into that. So I wrote an article several, several years ago called productive struggle, which is, uh, actually an educational term. I'm a teacher as, uh, as a full-time job. And the idea that I, that I use with productive struggle is, um, it's,
Starting point is 00:16:04 it's still tanking. It's, it's it's still tanking it's it's the idea of tanking but it's it's basically what we're seeing the Dolphins do now what we saw I guess you could say the Browns do the 76ers did that several years ago you're tanking you're losing on purpose you're but you have that that end, that end place in mind. And that's where the productive struggle comes out. It's not just you're losing and you have no hope, but you're losing for a purpose. So I still think it's a pretty popular strategy in dynasty leagues. You'll see dynasty owners build around the wide receiver position still, build around youth, including loading up on rookies and rookie picks, and basically being okay with losing every game for a year, sometimes two years.
Starting point is 00:16:56 So, Ryan, I do have a question, though, in regards to tanking, because I know you do a lot of commissioner work. You guys do a lot of commissioner questions. Yes. What is the extent when you're the commissioner of a league you will allow someone to tank, though? Do you have any rules that you put in place against that? Yeah, yeah, we do. Scott Fish and I talk a lot about that, and it's a tough battle to fight
Starting point is 00:17:19 because if you really want to tank and you really do want to lose, you can do it within the rules of basically any league. Again, focusing on young players that might not be productive this year. There's nothing wrong with that. You're almost ensuring that you're going to lose, but at the same time, it's not really tanking. So I think you can have rules requiring you to start active players, requiring you to basically give your best effort, but there's always going to be loopholes. How valuable do you guys think this upcoming year is, the first rookie pick is. Unfortunately, there's not a Saquon Barkley out there. But Ryan, how valuable? What's your take on the NFL draft, I guess, is the question in terms of
Starting point is 00:18:12 dynasty? Sure. Well, it's certainly not as valuable as it has been in years past. And part of that is because there's not a player like Barkley, Ezekiel Elliott, Todd Gurley, and so forth. If you ask 10 different dynasty players, you might get four or five different answers as to who their favorite rookie in this class is or who they would take with that 1.01 pick. So because of that, it doesn't have the value as it has in past years. We don't see, we're not seeing a huge difference between the one, one and, and even the one, 1.05.
Starting point is 00:18:49 Would it be crazy Jamie and Heath to take a tight end with one, one? I think so. Unless I like, I'm just thinking of which, which guy gets to new England, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:08 I, I would just think, and this could be wrong, and you could get burnt by trying to do this, but if I really thought a tight end was the guy I wanted at 1.1, I'd be seeing what somebody wanted to pay to move up a few picks. Right. Okay. Go ahead. Sorry, Ryan.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Sorry. For me, when you're talking tight end, and I do agree that if New England lands one of these top three, Noah Fant, Irv Smith, or TJ Hawkinson, then they're certainly going to gain a lot of value. Right now, all those guys are kind of in that late first, early second round range, and they would shoot up the boards when you're looking at rookie drafts if they go to New England. But if you have the 1-1 and that's really the player you want, if you have a weakness
Starting point is 00:19:51 at tight end, you don't have to add much to that 1.01 to get Travis Kelsey, to get George Kittle. You can probably use that pick even up to buy Zach Ertz. So if tight ends what you want to address with that 1.01 pick, I think there's better ways to do that than even drafting one of those rookies. Well, let's pretend we're doing a startup dynasty league right now. Rosters are empty. We're just going to do one round and we'll each give one pick, you know, four picks at a time, I guess. Or that doesn't really make any sense, but you'll see how it works. And I'm not going to give Ryan the first pick because it's too easy. I'm going to take the first pick and let the smarter people make the harder choices.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Homer. So I'm going to take Eli Manning. Now I'm going to take Saquon Barkley. We're going to do a PPR format here, and just let's see. Let's get a top 12 out there. So I will start with Saquon Barkley and Heath I'll put you on the clock for the second pick I will take Alvin Kamara Jamie you're third I'll take Ezekiel Elliott all right Ryan you're on the clock with the fourth
Starting point is 00:21:03 pick all right you guys you guys made it pretty easy I'm going to take Christian McCaffrey he's All right, Ryan, you're on the clock with the fourth pick. All right. You guys made it pretty easy. I'm going to take Christian McCaffrey. He's actually my second-ranked player overall right now. Obviously close with those four running backs, but CMC for me. So we got four running backs. We got Barkley won, and then Heath took Kamara. Then Jamie took Zeke, and then Ryan took his number two player, McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Heath, what's your name? Heath, why did you take Alvin Kamara? I just think they – listen, on a per-touch basis, he's arguably the best player in football. And they gave him a little bit of an increased workload last year, a lot, when Mark Ingram was out. I think that he sees not the workload he saw those first four games, but more than he saw his rookie year and more than he saw in the last 12 games last year,
Starting point is 00:21:54 especially in the passing game. Okay, let's go to number five. Oh, I'm on the clock. I don't want to be number five because now I don't know where to take Todd Gurley. This is so tough. I had the number one pick in Dynasty last year, and I took Todd Gurley, and I thought about taking Barkley, but I took Gurley.
Starting point is 00:22:10 And, you know, I had a good year. What loss in the finals? Gosh, do I go here? I think I'm going to take DeAndre Hopkins, and this is where longevity comes into it. I will take Hopkins, who's actually Ryan's number two ranked wide receiver behind Odell Beckham. But, Heath, you are on the clock with a six pick as DeAndre Hopkins is now off the board.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Yeah, and Hopkins is my number one receiver, but I would really just call him 1A and Beckham 1B. So I'll gladly take Beckham here at six. Jamie, you've got seven. I'm going to take Michael Thomas at seven. Nobody's taking Todd Gurley yet. All right, Ryan, are you you gonna take todd girley here um i'm certainly tempted i'm gonna take i think i'm gonna go wide receiver here though uh i'll take my wide receiver three of course you mentioned beckham and hopkins as the top two i'll
Starting point is 00:22:58 take juju smith schuster as my wide receiver three and the first pick here for me at the seven spot. Okay. The eighth spot. So, yeah, we went – Yep, sorry. Barkley, Kamara, Zeke, McCaffrey, and then four wide receivers. Hopkins, Beckham, Michael Thomas, Juju Smith-Schuster. Let me just spark some debate, Jamie.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Maybe, Michael Thomas, you have overrated him in Dynasty. He's never had 150 targets. He's had right around there two straight years. He's never had double-digit touchdowns. And he may be playing his final season with Drew Brees. Uh-oh. What do you think? All valid points. I trust Sean Payton to continue to make him a focal point of this offense,
Starting point is 00:23:51 whether it's Teddy Bridgewater or whoever the quarterback may be of the future. That's also assuming that Michael Thomas stays in New Orleans. Okay. All right. So Michael Thomas it is. So now we are up to pick nine, and I cannot let the madness go on any longer. Todd Gurley will be my selection ninth overall. Heath, tenth.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Yeah, I'm going to take Devontae Adams. Okay. Jamie? I'm going to take Mike Evans. What? Over Joe Mixon. Over Melvin Gordon. Over... Longevity.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Okay. All right, so now we have pick number 12, Ryan. Finish out the first round. Yeah, Evans would have been my pick there, so I endorse that one. When you're doing a dynasty draft, you have to know where those runs are, where those tiers are, And I think we're at the end of one. I'm really tempted to take Tyreek Hill. And if we hadn't, hadn't been teased with this, this, uh, these off field issues and this news over the past few weeks, then he would
Starting point is 00:24:58 easily be my pick here, but he would have been mine too. Yeah. For now, we just have to wait that out and see what happens. So instead, I will go with Melvin Gordon, reluctantly. Okay. So the guys, I think we should talk about Gurley. I'd love to know what you guys think about Nick Chubb. But Gurley is your – well, I see him number five, right? So you've gone away from your rankings a little bit because you went with Gordon over Gurley and Mixon. So I'm sure these rankings are fluid.
Starting point is 00:25:31 I don't know when you last updated them. Yeah, they are fluid for sure. I think Gurley was off the board though. Oh, yeah, my bad. My bad. I took Gurley. That's right. Yeah, I certainly would have taken Gurley there.
Starting point is 00:25:44 But again, we're kind of in a wait-and-see mode with him too. We've got this news of arthritis in the knee, and we know he obviously didn't finish the season on a strong note, sharing carries with CJ Anderson. I think it is a little bit comforting maybe for dynasty owners that the Rams haven't made a big push to to keep anderson in la so maybe maybe that's a little bit of a vote of confidence um i just haven't really seen a ton of analysis about arthritis in the knee at age 25 26 whatever
Starting point is 00:26:20 he is i i don't i have no idea how that's going to impact him, honestly. Okay. And then Nick Chubb, guys. I'm pretty sure he would have been a top 12 pick or maybe 13 or something like that. But you do have the Kareem Hunt situation. So, Jamie, what do you think about the dynasty value for Nick Chubb? He's certainly in this range. I'd be surprised if Kareem Hunt comes off the suspension and plays well enough that Cleveland invests money in him. So I do think it's a one-and-done situation unless Chubb struggles and they decide that they're going to stick with Kareem Hunt, who's obviously still young enough that he can have a long NFL career, at least long enough at the running back position.
Starting point is 00:27:02 But I think Chubb's dynasty value exceeds his seasonal value. Not that a seasonal value is bad, but I think, you know, he's, he's their guy barring a step back in production or just a dynamic change in situation that they feel like Kareem Hunt is going to be better longterm. But I think this is the range where Nick Chubb is going to go probably somewhere between 10 and 15 format specific as well. Yeah, I think he's right in this range.
Starting point is 00:27:30 I actually have him one spot ahead of Todd Gurley. Listen, I know that could be too low on Todd Gurley, but I'm just a little bit scared right now that one of two things happen. One, this knee thing just continues to be a problem and hurts his production. Or two, the Rams want to, this knee thing just continues to be a problem and hurts his production. Or two, the Rams want to avoid this knee thing hurting his production, and so he doesn't get the type of workload that he's seen over the last two years.
Starting point is 00:27:53 And to one point that Ryan made, yes, the Rams have not done anything, but it was a little, I don't know, surprising, but they didn't match the offer sheet to Malcolm Brown. So I don't know if they view him in the same light that they viewed C.J. Anderson, who they clearly signed off the same light that they viewed CJ Anderson, who they clearly signed off the street out of desperation, but if they like Malcolm Brown enough to be the number two guy there, he could take that CJ Anderson role and that could be what they're thinking. So it could just be that that's where their end game is in terms of who's
Starting point is 00:28:19 helping Todd Gurley get through this. Hey, Ryan, how's your bracket doing? Uh, it was doing well until last night oh yeah took a hit in those first games yeah i think i have i still have seven of eight lead eight teams i lost michigan but all my final four i'm pretty sure i'm i'm beating all the
Starting point is 00:28:39 podcasters in our little podcast challenge so i just just wanted to brag to Jamie and Heath about that. You should. You should. I think I lost Michigan and Tennessee last night, so my bracket got a little busted. Never, ever pull for Rick Barnes. That's the one thing I know about college basketball. I think we can all agree that we'd be willing to sacrifice our brackets as long as Duke and Kentucky both lose tonight.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Oh, disagree. I so badly want to see a Duke-UNC final. I would just – that would be great. That was less about Duke and more about Ryan. Ryan, you're a Kentucky guy? I am a Kentucky fan, yeah. I got you. Let me tell you something.
Starting point is 00:29:19 I had – I was working for NCAA.com, which is part of CBS. And I went on this video project where we had to go to different stadiums, and I went to a Kentucky regular season game at Rupp Arena. It was against Vanderbilt. It had to be one of the three to five coolest sports experience I've ever seen. The fans are so unbelievably engaged. The arena, do they still play there? They didn't change arenas, did they?
Starting point is 00:29:49 No, yeah, still Ruff Arena. It's so, it's just historic. It feels like you're a part of history. I'm throwing you a softball so you can talk about the greatness of Kentucky basketball, but I just want to say I had so much fun, and I was just blown away by this regular season weeknight game, how amazing of an experience it was. Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously, the tradition's pretty rich there.
Starting point is 00:30:14 They're a fun team to root for. So we'll see how it goes. I hope you got some of the ice cream while you were there, though. I don't think I did. Oh, you missed it. Brian, you got to understand something, that Adam went to school that has no tradition. No basketball tradition.
Starting point is 00:30:29 No tradition. So seeing anything of significance is eye-opening to him. Gotcha. Yeah, something like that. Alright, hey, we're gonna take a quick break. The reason I asked, by the way, is because you need to be watching your March Madness coverage on CBS Sports HQ. After the games last night, I put on HQ.
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Starting point is 00:32:47 Quarterback. So Ryan has Aaron Rodgers eighth, and Heath has Aaron Rodgers fifth. These old quarterbacks, they last a long time. Ryan, I'll let you start. Eighth for Aaron Rodgers, that would be behind Mahomes, Mayfield, Deshaun Watson, Luck, Goff, Wentz, Russell Wilson, and then Aaron Rodgers. I mean, Carson Wentz, that's interesting. All right, go ahead, Ryan. Eighth for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, for me, this is more about building tiers. And once I rank players within a tier,
Starting point is 00:33:19 as you said earlier, they're all pretty fluid. So for me, that tier right now includes Goff, Wentz, Wilson, and Rogers, and it really just comes down to age. So Rogers, 35 years old already, obviously the oldest of these, these top 10 quarterbacks that we're talking about. And, and that just kind of becomes the tiebreaker. So it's less of a knock on Rodgers and just more about his current situation in the league. And I want to clarify something because Adam, I think, has said rankings debates four times now. And he sent me your rankings, and I specifically responded back with, I don't think we need debate rankings.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Here are some that are interesting to me. Well, who makes the decision? I think you do need to debate rankings. That's what the people want. We all know you're a dictator. That's what the people want. What is this? Why are you be smirching by reputation so much today? The people want rankings debates. They love rankings debates. The people want us to smirching your reputation. That's true. Okay, well, we can do both. Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with anything that Ryan said.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Age definitely does matter. It's shown here recently to matter a little bit less for older quarterbacks. I pretty much expect Rodgers to give us close to the same level of production over the next four years. I do think that the best of Aaron Rodgers is better than the best of these other quarterbacks that are in this tier. That's why I put him at the top. I can't put him up in that next tier with Andrew Luck, with Deshaun Watson, with Mayfield and Mahomes, but he's at the top of the second tier for me. Let's talk about the rookies or the second tier guys. So Ryan, you have Mayfield second and you have Sam Darnold 17th.. And in between that, Lamar Jackson, 10th.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Josh Allen's 20th. And then Josh Rosen's actually 19th. So Mayfield way ahead of the pack. Before he answers, I think we should clarify. Ryan, is this six points for passing touchdowns or four points for passing touchdowns? I think we based that on six points. Six points, okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:20 So again, it's Mayfield, two. Then Lamar Jackson, 10. Sam Darnold, 17, Josh Rosen, 19, Josh Allen, 20 guys ahead of Sam Darnold would be, um, in between Lamar Jackson and Darnold Garoppolo Prescott, Jameis cousins, Trubisky Stafford. I'd have to, that's one I'd have to disagree with. I, I mean, I can't pass up upside for Stafford. He's like the most boring guy, but yeah, I mean, to, that's one I'd have to disagree with. I mean, I can't pass up upside for Stafford. He's like the most boring guy.
Starting point is 00:35:48 But, yeah, I mean, but Mayfield too. Heath, where do you have Mayfield? Three. Is this where we fight, Heath? Yeah. What, are you crazy? I was going to say number two. Are you stupid?
Starting point is 00:36:02 Is he that much better than the rest of the rookie quarterbacks or second year quarterbacks? Well, Mayfield obviously got the bump with the moves that they've made this offseason, namely, of course, trading for Odell Beckham Jr. I think I had Mayfield as my quarterback five before that trade. And that alone, for me, with what we saw last year as a rookie with a tough situation, I think is fair to say still. With the coaching change and all of that went into their 2018 season. For him to still perform as he did, put up the fantasy numbers that he did, and then add OBJ to that. It's fair. I think, again, within that tier, if you prefer Watson, if you prefer Luck, I think that's pretty understandable. But I think he has to be somewhere in that two to four range. What I actually sent amongst these second-year quarterbacks was about Lamar Jackson and Josh
Starting point is 00:37:01 Allen, because I have Jackson one spot ahead of Allen, and I kind of felt like I was just doing a personal preference thing. So I was really happy to see somebody had Jackson 10 spots ahead of Josh Allen, because you're going to make me feel better about my ranking. Do you think Lamar Jackson is going to be a successful passer in the NFL? I think he's going to improve. I'm pretty confident in that because being here in Louisville, I watched him throughout his college career as most people did across the country, honestly. But even starting out his first year, it was rough. It was really rough, honestly. and I mean if you'd asked me then there's no way I thought he would ever be drafted as an NFL quarterback or get the chance to play quarterback in the league so I've seen him improve already obviously a very different stage very different level when you're talking about the ACC versus versus the NFL but I do think he can improve. And just from strictly a fantasy perspective, once he started last year,
Starting point is 00:38:09 all he did was give us seven straight top ten quarterback games. Lamar Jackson? And wasn't Allen better, though? Allen was better at the end, I think, for sure. I mean, he certainly had that run. And those two guys have been linked really all offseason. We've seen a lot of debate with them because their passing game is questionable. Their weapons are questionable on their respective teams.
Starting point is 00:38:37 And obviously they both did most of their damage as runners. So, yeah, I mean, Heath is probably right on this one that they deserve to be closer than 10 spots apart that I have them. All right, moving on to running backs. Darius Geis was one that Heath wanted to specifically, I think he said, fight about. Yes. Or maybe he was just going to say, hey, I love your rankings, and now it's making me feel better about my rankings. Because you, Ryan, have Darius Geis 13th, and Heath has him 18th. And go ahead. What are your expectations for Darius Geis? Well, I think he's in a tough situation, first of all. So I don't want to defer right off the bat, but that Redskins offense is going to be pretty scary this season and not
Starting point is 00:39:28 in a good way. I think Geis is going to be the entire offense. At this point, I do believe, I trust that he's healthy, he's ready to go. And honestly, them re-signing Adrian Peterson doesn't scare me. I know some people are worried about that. And, and after the season he had, I guess I understand that, but, uh, they invested a lot in guys. I think he's easily the most talented offensive player on that team. And I think we're going to, you know, we're going to find out this year, um, if, if he's deserving of this ranking. Heath 18th for you, five spots lower for guys. I just think he is a really good example of a couple of things in the problem of ranking dynasty players.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Because I have a lot of belief in his talent. Before the injury, I thought he was maybe going to be the second-best rookie running back last year. But that situation has just gotten so terrible. And I don't have a lot of confidence in him this year. And I don't know that I see a path that they're going to be a lot better in the next two years just because of what that Alex Smith contract does to them. And so that's where an 18 is about as high as I can get him,
Starting point is 00:40:41 believing he's an extremely talented running back. Their draft is going to be so important or any trades that they make in their draft because they have to address their quarterback situation uh and and they talked about this jay gruden talked about this um i'm very curious and when i say that do they make a move up to try and get one of the two top guys? Do they settle for Greer or Luck or Jones? Or do they make a trade to get Rosen? Because I think that's going to determine where Geis is.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Because I don't know where Geis' ceiling is this year because of Peterson still being there. Next year, though, I think the Redskins could be an interesting team because I think there could be a quick path to respectability. They're not going to be, like Ryan said, they're not going to be very good this year. They just have so many holes offensively to address. But they can turn things around quickly with the right guy under center, and that could happen potentially for 2020. But philosophically, I mean, how hard is it to rank someone that we've never seen play an NFL down,
Starting point is 00:41:44 and before he even plays one, he's coming off a torn knee? I mean, this hard is it to rank someone that we've never seen play an NFL down, and before he even plays one, he's coming off a torn knee? I mean, this time last year— With the Hall of Famer they're still producing in his backfield as well. Yeah, yeah. But even to predict the future and what kind of player Darius Geis is going to be, this time last year we would have probably had Ronald Jones fairly high as a dynasty running back. And now he's 35th for Ryan. He was a complete bust
Starting point is 00:42:05 he seems to be the exception of the rule guys drafted that early don't usually bust like that but you know just how difficult is it for you guys to gauge what how you want to feel about darius geis i think it's tough and i mean guys is obviously kind of a unique situation we've got a a player who is a valuable asset in Dynasty, who even now, I guess you can say a year into his career, we still haven't seen. But all Dynasty owners are going to face this same issue here in about a month when we've got rookies now into these rankings and we have to place them and try to find where to value them and their new situation, their new draft capital and all of those different pieces that go into determining dynasty value. And then we have to compare those players to guys like Leonard Fournette, Kerryon Johnson, Le'Veon Bell, other players that are in this range.
Starting point is 00:43:02 It's difficult and obviously you're going to have hits and misses at Ron. You're right. Ronald Jones was a guy that a lot of people liked. He was, he was probably ranked as a top 20 running back by many people this time last year, or soon after the draft. I think the thing with, with guys just in what you're talking about, Ryan is the, the rookie running backs are probably going to end up in timeshares the majority of them just given what the landscape of the NFL is so that's a knock on them the difference is is that they're not going to a situation that is potentially as dire as this one so and that's that's what I'm saying like with the with Washington scenario is you have to not
Starting point is 00:43:42 only project out guys you have to project out this team as much so as some of these other guys. I'm trying to think of a team that's going to most likely take a running back. Let's say Oakland, where at least you can see that they're trying to – I don't know if they're the right example, but try it. No, they are. They're making moves, but they're making moves with veterans. What was the positive name for tanking, Ryan? Productive struggle.
Starting point is 00:44:07 Yeah, they did that last year. They traded their best players. I'm trying to think of a team that's building for something with youth. Okay. I don't know if there is one. Are the Dolphins? Are they just terrible? You don't know that yet, though.
Starting point is 00:44:24 I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the hope would be some of these rookies, even though they may end up in timeshares, that there may be a path by next season that you could say, okay, I could see this. Geis is going to have a bigger role than these rookies this year, most likely, if he's healthy. But there's so many things that are pulling at him that don't necessarily help him reach what his ceiling could be. Whereas, what's,
Starting point is 00:44:45 what's the end result 2020. Like it, as a, if I'm doing a startup dynasty league now with Darius guys, I'm looking at him more so 2020 than I am 2019. Sure. Yeah, I am as well.
Starting point is 00:44:57 And maybe that's, you know, maybe that when it comes down to it, that's the difference in my rankings and Heath's rankings. I have a little bit more of a long-term view he said earlier that uh he he kind of plays to win now every year which is obviously understandable and and nothing wrong with with either direction but if you have a long-term view guys gets a little bit of a bump thinking i can't start in this year but in 2020 and 2021 i
Starting point is 00:45:24 trust the talent uh well you could start in this year i but in 2020 and 2021, I trust the talent. Well, you could start him this year. I mean, you know, hopefully, like you said, Ryan, and I think a lot of people will agree with you that he's the better of the two guys, even showing what Peterson did last year, because the hope is that guys comes off the knee. He shows what he was showing in camp last season, what he showed at LSU and is able to hit the ground running and makes the team around him better in some capacity. And look, Case Keenum, if he's the stopgap now quarterback, he's serviceable. The line will be serviceable. Jay Gruden says Jordan Reed will be healthy.
Starting point is 00:45:54 That'll help. But it just feels like there's just so many things that he's got to overcome. Peterson, bad play around him. Everything, the ACL, all those things, the infection that he suffered. It's just – I love Darius Geist. He was my second favorite running back in this class last year, and I love that you're aggressive in ranking him in this spot. I hope he lives up to it.
Starting point is 00:46:17 That's my fear. I do want to – Ryan touched on something that has nothing to do with Darius Geist. Maybe this will be a segue, but I do want to kind of say one thing about the now or later strategy. Just remember that the worst place in a dynasty league is not last place. It's not next to last place. It's the best team that doesn't make the playoffs. Sure. And you don't want to be that team very often.
Starting point is 00:46:41 Well, we have a good example of that, and Ryan can attest to this as well. I'm sorry Dave's not here. But in the Dynasty League that Heath started, we're now entering year three. Dave took a win-now approach with his roster. He drafted Le'Veon Bell and Jordy Nelson, I believe, were his first two picks. Maybe you can find it, Heath, while I'm talking about it. He drafted Tom Brady early. He drafted I forget who else, but he kind of put himself in a position where he was set up that first year to win, and he just missed in the semifinals. He would have played me
Starting point is 00:47:16 in the finals, and he may have ended up beating me. His second year was awful because Bell killed him. Jordy was his number one receiver. He didn't really plan at that position entirely. He has good young players. He has, I think, he has one of the young quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Or he had Kareem Hunt also. He had Kareem Hunt. That killed him last year also. But he set himself up, and we had this conversation. He drafted with the idea of, I'm going to try and win now, and then I'll manage the future as it goes. And I think that's something that can end up really handicapping you if, in fact, it doesn't work out for you winning a championship if that's your end goal. I think the thing is if it goes bad, let it go real bad.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Sure. Tank. And then there's another team. We'll stop with the rankings debates. I want to get to some emails here. There's another team in the league that Ryan and I are in, George Kretikos. I hope I pronounced his name right. He came on our podcast, I think, in August to talk Dynasty.
Starting point is 00:48:13 And I just thought his draft was so interesting because it was a startup. Last year was the first year. It was a startup Dynasty draft. And he went Michael Thomas, Tyreek Hill, Amari Cooper, Brandon Cooks, Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson. So four wide receivers, then two quarterbacks. This was a super flex league, PPR with three flexes. He could play a lot of guys. Then he took Darius Geis and Ronald Jones. Those were his first two running backs, and Geis had already torn his ACL. So it seemed obvious that he wasn't going to have a good year. And he didn't. He went
Starting point is 00:48:47 five and nine. But he knew that. So he was just trying to stockpile for the future. He's got amazing receivers. Thomas, Tyreek Hill, Cooper, Brandon Cooks. Later on, he got Will Fuller, Dante Pettis. He had Hunter Henry, another guy that was totally a punt for 2018. I don't know how his team is going to be because his quarterbacks, they could be great. They're Prescott, Lamar Jackson, and did he have Josh Allen? Yes. So Prescott, Jackson, and Josh Allen. His receivers are loaded. He has Hunter Henry. His running backs are terrible as I look at it right now. Darius Geis, maybe. Ronald Jones, Jordan Wilkins, Deontay Foreman, Mark Walton. It just didn't really work out.
Starting point is 00:49:25 So it's tough. I mean, a little bit of luck here or there, he could have had an amazing team for this year and suffered one bad year of dynasty and been set up for years. Maybe he just needs to make a trade or two, and he's fine. But I just thought it was interesting. George basically, I felt like he just punted on 2018, and I'm very interested to see what happens in 2019. Yeah, that's productive struggle.
Starting point is 00:49:49 That's what it is. He's got a high draft pick now. He's going to get one of these top rookies. I've been able to pull that off basically going from worst to first, from one year to the next. That's kind of the dream scenario. So, yeah, I'm with you. I'm interested to see how his team does this next year. Yeah, he wasn't quite bad enough.
Starting point is 00:50:13 He came in fourth to last. So we'll see what he can do in the first round there. Okay, so I want to read emails. And, Ryan, I know I'm keeping you longer than I told you, so anytime you need to hop off, let me know, and we can finish up. We're good to go. Okay, so I want to read emails. And Ryan, I know I'm keeping you longer than I told you, so anytime you need to hop off, let me know, and we can finish up. We're good to go. Okay, cool. That's what I wanted to hear.
Starting point is 00:50:31 I need to know a movie question. Is Jerry Maguire a sports movie? I will say yes. Are you sure? I just want you to think about it. No, no, no. Don't change his mind. I'm not saying what I believe.
Starting point is 00:50:48 I just think about it. Think about it. He doesn't have to think about it. He gave the right answer. He gave the wrong answer. I don't want to embarrass him because he gave the wrong answer. You're such a moron. All right, fine.
Starting point is 00:51:00 Jerry Weir, not a sports movie. So emails, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. This is from Garrett. Half PPR dynasty, who would you rather have, Jarvis Landry or Cooper Cup? Ryan, I'll give this one to you. Based on the changes that we've seen this offseason, I'm going to go with Cooper Cup. I think they kind of play a similar role for their teams, but I think Beckham is just going to soak up targets there
Starting point is 00:51:26 in that Browns offense. And we already saw Landry, his volume dip from his time in Miami to that first year in Cleveland. So I'll go with Cup here. Okay, you have Cup two spots higher than Landry. Any disagreements, guys? No, I've got him further apart than that, so I agree, Cup. Okay, no rankings fight.
Starting point is 00:51:45 This is from Jason from anywhere of Heath's choosing. See, Ryan is not used to my cheesy jokes, so he's laughing at all my stuff, but it's just excellent. Jason is anywhere from Heath's choosing. Where is he from, Heath? Lawrence, Kansas. Okay. No.
Starting point is 00:52:03 Okay, Scrooge, Launchpad, and Beagle Boy number two. No idea. Ten-team, two-quarterback league, three wide receivers, two running backs, one flex. It is non-PPR, and it's dynasty. I am trying to figure out a good offer for draft picks, including the number one overall. I have seen more than one online trade calculator that seems to consistently rate the number one overall pick Well, I think this kind of feel are equal to the 2019 number one overall rookie pick?
Starting point is 00:52:53 Well, I think this kind of would illustrate a problem with a dynasty trade value calculator that stays the same each year. Because the number one pick this year is not worth what the number one pick last year was. And it'd be very difficult to make a trade calculator that didn't do that. It almost has to. But I would agree with you that the number one pick's not worth more than anyone named Zeke or Saquon. But there's a lot of guys that are worth more than that. So who would you trade for the number one overall pick?
Starting point is 00:53:19 Would you trade like a back end of round two kind of player? Stefan Diggs. No. I think this kind of player. Stefan Diggs. No. I think this year I'd rather have Diggs. Ryan may disagree. Yeah, Diggs is kind of the range I was thinking of looking at our ADP at DLF. Typically, we'll see the top rookies come off the board in the late second, early third round.
Starting point is 00:53:43 I think that probably won't be the case this year. I think you can drop at least a full round lower. So now you're talking about late third round range. Diggs is actually in the early third. So late third, you're looking at guys like Kenny Galladay, Sonny Michelle, Leonard Fournette. That's probably the range you would look for if you're trying to acquire one of those early first. Yeah, I'd still rather have all those guys. I would trade Fournette for the first overall pick,
Starting point is 00:54:15 but every other name you said, I'd rather have them than the first overall pick. By the way, Scrooge, Launchpad, and Beagle Boy, number two are DuckTales, which is arguably the greatest TV theme song ever. This is an email from – What? Oh, have you heard it?
Starting point is 00:54:29 Yes. Yes. It's really good. It's nowhere close to the Dukes of Hazzard. The Dukes of Hazzard is so boring. Or Saved by the Bell. All right, Ryan. What's the best – Saved by the Bell is good.
Starting point is 00:54:40 What's the best TV theme song? That's a good one. Of these choices, I'm going Dukes of Hazzard. There we go. Now Ryan and Ryan are on the same page. It's Growing Pains, but DuckTales is right up there. I'm surprised you didn't sing it. You know I want to.
Starting point is 00:54:57 G. Tomlinson says, PPR, 12 teams, 5 point per passing touchdown. I can only protect 18 of 25 players on my roster. I won't be able to keep all three of my quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers, Jameis Winston, and Baker Mayfield. I'd like to trade one. I would prefer to keep Rodgers, but what kind of value should I – who should I trade and what kind of value should I expect if he's trading Rodgers, Jameis Winston, or Baker Mayfield?
Starting point is 00:55:24 Was that a super flex league? I don't think so. No. Yeah. PPR. Like I said earlier, in a one quarterback league, you're not going to get much value. Mayfield would obviously be the one I would keep there. Rogers has more value than Winston.
Starting point is 00:55:41 I know he said he would like to keep Rogers, Rodgers would be the one I would dangle there. If you can get anything equivalent to a late first round rookie pick, I think you have to take that. I think that's the best approach because late first round is somebody that's in win-now mode. And they'd be more apt to take on Rodgers. Not that any of these quarterbacks are going to be bad if Winston takes the step forward that I think most people are hoping for with the coaching change. But that's the type of team that could use one of these quarterbacks as opposed to a team that's rebuilding. Unless you're training Mayfield, obviously. This email perfectly explains what Ryan said earlier about one quarterback dynasty leagues. It's just almost impossible to trade quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Nick from Tampa needs us to save a friendship. I share a dynasty league with a friend, and we got proposed a trade that I want to take, but he does not. So help settle this fight and save their friendship. We would get Sammy Watkins, Royce Freeman, and the fifth pick of the second round in 2019, and a 2020 first round pick. So Watkins, Royce Freeman, fifth pick of round two, and then next year first round pick. And we would give up Amari Cooper.
Starting point is 00:57:01 The kicker is we own Tyreek Hill and Phillip Lindsey. So Watkins and Freeman would sort of serve as handcuffs. So he wants to give up Cooper for two players and two picks. His friend, or former friend anyway, does not. Ryan, save their friendship. These are the types of trades I like to make in the offseason, consolidation trades. You're taking a bunch of pieces that probably are not going to start for you in a best case situation. And you're getting hopefully a stud wide receiver. So I think in this case,
Starting point is 00:57:35 this listener has Cooper. I would keep Cooper. I would agree. I would keep Cooper. Yeah. You're taking somebody else's junk. Okay. What's the upside there? The 2020 first-round pick, probably? If the other team is bad? The upside is Tyreek Hill is done playing football. But does that make Sammy Watkins a star? Because he can't stay healthy.
Starting point is 00:57:57 Okay, next email is Pat from Cashmere, Wisconsin. I stashed Chris Warren in a Dynasty League. It seems he would have a path to touches at the moment now he sent this before the isaiah crowell signing but ryan what's your take on chris warren in the dynasty league in a dynasty league yeah this is i think you mentioned this early in the show this is part of dynasty leagues that we we like to to really dig in and find the the deepest sleeper possible.
Starting point is 00:58:26 And last offseason, that was Chris Warren. And people are still kind of holding on hope for that. They've added Crowell now. They still have Jalen Rashard, who I like a lot. And I still expect them to draft someone. So I think we can probably let Chris Warren go away now. Okay. Any disagreement there? I think it just, a lot of that depends on when your roster deadlines are. I have leagues where I'm allowed to carry more than the 40 man roster during the off season. If that's the case,
Starting point is 00:59:04 I'm probably not letting him go until my commissioner tells me I have to. But, yeah, if he has some sort of cut down coming or if you need to make room for draft picks, then let him go. All right, let's do a few more emails here. We won't get to all of them, but I will read the rest on, I think we'll have a show on Monday on that show. Connor from Illinois says, 12-team standard scoring, four-point for
Starting point is 00:59:24 passing touchdown, and two quarterback leagues. We can keep four players every year. Not exactly a dynasty, but I'll allow it anyway. So it's a two-quarterback league. Again, it's non-PPR and four-point-per-passing touchdown. Jamie, pick one of these three to keep. Russell Wilson, David Johnson, or Dalvin Cook.
Starting point is 00:59:41 And he's already keeping Christian McCaffrey, Julio Jones, and Odell Beckham, which is amazing. But would you keep Russell Wilson, David Johnson, or Dalvin Cook? And he's already keeping Christian McCaffrey, Julio Jones, and Odell Beckham, which is amazing. But would you keep Russell Wilson, David Johnson, or Dalvin Cook in this 2QB league? David Johnson. All right. Done with that email. Ryan from Michigan.
Starting point is 00:59:58 Dear George, John, Thomas, and James. They're presidents. These are presidents. I was the owner of Gronk in my 10-team Dynasty League, and I need to replace him. I have Njoku and Ian Thomas, but I'm nervous with all the weapons in Cleveland that Njoku will not be reliable. Where do you rank Njoku? Do you think I would be better trying to trade for someone like O.J. Howard or stick with the two guys I have? Ryan, what do you think?
Starting point is 01:00:28 I like the two guys he has. I do share some of that concern that I like both of those. Again, long-term when you're talking dynasty, I don't know how comfortable I am with either in 2019. Trading for OJ Howard might be the same situation though if i'm trading i'm going to try to get a cheap guy who can bridge that that year until those two young guys are ready so uh kyle rudolph vance mcdonald jared cook his price just went up but maybe he's still a reasonable target those would be the guys i would be looking for in trade get greg olson for nothing. Right, as the Ian Thomas owner, that makes sense. I don't really trust Greg Olson to be good anymore, though. I don't even know if he's going to play, but you could probably get
Starting point is 01:01:11 him for nothing. Okay, here's an email, last one of the day. Comes from... Where's your name? Brian, from a city between Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ooh, I don't know my geography well enough in California. Sacramento?
Starting point is 01:01:30 No. No. Definitely not Sacramento. Wow. Jerry Maguireland? I don't know. Okay, so Brian's question is half PBR, 12 team. You know, that's like a six-hour drive.
Starting point is 01:01:44 You sure Sacramento is not in there? I think Sacramento is not in there. Okay. Half PBR, 12 team. That's like a six-hour drive. You sure Sacramento is not in there? I think Sacramento is not in there. Okay. So half PBR, 12 team, one flex. I can keep a total of seven running backs and wide receivers. Must be four of one and three of the other. So he has James Conner, Le'Veon Bell, Marlon Mack, Aaron Jones,
Starting point is 01:02:07 Kenyon Drake, and Ronald Jones. And he can keep up to four of them. I'm just going to say you're not keeping Kenyon Drake and Ronald Jones. So he's got Conner, Le'Veon Bell, Marlon Mack, and Aaron Jones. Wide receivers are Beckham, Cooper, Chris Godwin, and A.J. Green. So between Beckham, Cooper, Godwin, A.J. Green, James Conner, Le'Veon Bell, Marlon Mack, and Aaron Jones, which one player are you throwing back? Or trading or whatever. It's probably Marlon Mack for me.
Starting point is 01:02:37 He's of these eight players, and I agree, Drake and Jones, Ronald Jones can be eliminated pretty easily. So of these next eight, Mack is the one that I trust the least. I'm confused by your question, Adam, because it says he can keep a total of seven running backs plus wide receivers, and he gave us like 11 names. He can keep seven guys, and the combination has to be four of one and three of the other.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Right, and he gave us six running backs. And we eliminated Kenyon Drake and Ronald Jones. We have to build it down to seven. Oh, Kenyon Drake's gone and Marlon Mack's gone. No, no, no. Kenyon Drake and Ronald Jones are gone. That's the guys that Adam eliminated, Kenyon Drake and Ronald Jones, which doesn't make the most sense.
Starting point is 01:03:16 What I would actually try and do, who is this, Brian, is see how much you can get for Le'Veon Bell. You try to trade him and keep everyone else? Well, I mean, you should keep him because he's clearly in the best seven for 2019. But where is he after that? And I've confirmed Sacramento is definitely not between San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Yeah, I know. San Jose and Baylor. San Jose, Sacramento. First two letters are the same. Also, Brian says, love the show. Pete Briscoe. And then he has the beer emoji. But it's actually Pete Priscoe
Starting point is 01:03:55 with a P. So you just drank for no reason, Brian. I am sorry about that. I am happy for you. Final thing. Listen, Ryan, there's like one football game in the entire movie. And I don't even think we see the final score. I mean, we just see that play where basically he gets hurt. There's almost no football.
Starting point is 01:04:18 There's almost no sports in the whole movie. There has to be a full game for it to be a sports movie. There has to be something. The sports don't matter. They show him in practice. They show him snippets of games. This is Allen Iverson's sports movie. So how many actual baseball games are played in Sandlot?
Starting point is 01:04:36 Several. More games? More than Jerry Maguire. Huh? If the movie... This is my tagline. If it were a sports movie it'd be called rod tidwell why because it would be about rod tidwell it's not about him it's about love it's a romance the rom-com you lose these debates every time i think outside the box ryan thank you for coming on
Starting point is 01:04:58 it's been great to have you on fantasy football today yeah guys it's been a blast thanks for having tell us about your podcast real quick before we let you go, how we can hear you. Sure, I've got a few. Actually, you can check me out on the Dynasty Blueprint with Matt Williamson and also on the DLF Dynasty Podcast. Beautiful. I'm glad we got
Starting point is 01:05:18 to do this. We'll read more Dynasty emails on our next show. This has been one productive struggle for Ryan McDowell, Heath Cummings, and Jamie Eisenberg. I'm Adam Azer. Enjoy your weekend, everybody.

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