Fantasy Football Today - 04/09 Fantasy Football Podcast: Late-Round Steals, Keenan Allen Outlook

Episode Date: April 9, 2018

Beginning the show with some of our favorite late-round draft picks from last week's draft (0:48) before we revisit the topic later in the episode. And we discuss the impact of a potential Cameron Mer...edith signing for NO (6:00) ... Let's talk Keenan Allen (13:20)! We don't talk enough about the #3 WR in Fantasy from 2017. And we draw comparisons to another WR who may be following a similar career path as Allen (17:40) ... More on last week's mock draft including RBs picked right around 100th overall or later (22:22), why Adam likes Randall Cobb (28:50) and more before we get to an off-subject voicemail any TV fan will enjoy (39:20) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Here we go! We're here to help you win your league and have bragging rights on your friends. Let's go! Now, here's Adam, Dave, and James. All right, a lot to get to on today's show.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Hope you all had a great weekend. Welcome back. It is Monday, the 9th of April. You might be hearing this on Tuesday. Any breaking news overnight, sorry, we will not be getting to it. Adam Azer here. At Adam Azer, A-I-Z-E-R on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:00:34 At Dave Richard is with me. At Jamie Eisenberg, J-A-M-E-Y is also here. We're going to finish up talking about that draft last week. We're doing a PPR draft later this week. We got Beckham news, we got Saints receiver news. And we got voicemails and emails. Oh, my.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Guys, what was your favorite late-round pick from last week's draft? The best late-round pick. Didn't have to be your team. I spent a lot of time looking at this and studying it. And I'm going to go with a pick you made, Adam. 136th overall. Ben Roethlisberger. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:08 And I already had Deshaun Watson. Yeah. So, I mean, I think that this is going to be something that fantasy owners might want to consider is taking two quarterbacks. Yeah. I mean, you want to do it because it's great value. The problem is that if too many people do it and one of the quarterbacks, one of the first 12 quarterbacks that gets taken sucks, the trade market for one of those second quarterbacks on the teams, you're following me, those second quarterbacks, your Roethlisbergers,
Starting point is 00:01:37 your Matt Ryans, your Jameis Winstons, the trade market isn't going to be very strong for them unless they are really, really good. All right, Jamie. Well, hi, Jamie. How are you? Good. How are you?
Starting point is 00:01:48 I am feeling great. What was your favorite late round pick? And feel free to pick another one from my team because that was terrific from Dave. No. No. All right. What do you got? Jack Doyle, round 13.
Starting point is 00:01:59 That was one of my nominations. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, certainly still has a chance to be a top 10, maybe top 5 tight end. If Andrew Luck is right, even with the addition of Eric Ebron, I'll say top 10. He's still going to get a ton of targets. He's still going to be the primary passing guy in the tight end position. And think about what that receiving core is.
Starting point is 00:02:21 So as long as Andrew Luck is healthy, I think Jack Doyle is going to be very undervalued because people will be afraid of the Eric Ebron signing. Yeah, I don't know that you've had a chance to talk about the Eric Ebron signing. What's your thoughts on the Eric Ebron signing? It's never a bad situation to add talent to your roster, and he's still a talented player. I know he's underperformed based on his draft position in the NFL draft, but the Colts, when Andrew Luck was right, had two tight ends playing well, and I think that they can get by with two tight ends playing well again.
Starting point is 00:02:52 All right, so Jack Doyle, I'm trying to see, was he drafted as a starter, do you know, or is he a second tight end? I'm going to say he was a second tight end, but I can tell you in a second. Oh, I'd love to hear this. So, yeah, it's like Trey Burton went with the last pick of round nine in a 12-team league. That was 108th overall. Delaney Walker then went in round 10. No, he was the only tight end on that roster.
Starting point is 00:03:11 RJ White. Jordan Reed. What's a better pick to you late round? Jordan Reed, who Dave took in round 12, or Jack Doyle a round later? If Jordan Reed is right, he's going to have more upside, but that's such a huge if. But it's a late-round pick. Yeah, but both of you guys took them as starters. So if you're going to take one as a starter,
Starting point is 00:03:30 I would rather take Jack Doyle as a starter. But again, you're hoping with Jordan Reed at this point. I like Doyle better in PPR. I think that the volume game is huge with him, and he's going to be a little bit better. I mean, just look at the numbers. I'm reading over the outlook that I wrote for our magazine. In non-PPR leagues, Doyle does have back-to-back top 12 finishes with seven-plus fantasy points in nine of 31 games.
Starting point is 00:04:02 That's in standard. A little bit better in PPR. 14 of his last 31. 9.7 fantasy points per game in PPR. So, yes, he will finish in the top 12. No, he won't be very consistent, and he's probably going to be touchdown dependent on top of it all. Well, I think pretty much all tight ends
Starting point is 00:04:20 in standard scoring leagues are touchdown dependent, right? Most of them are, that's fair. But I'd rather try and get one that could be a little bit better than touchdown dependent. And Jordan Reed, if he's right, would be that guy. Now, I mean, we all know Jordan Reed probably won't be right. And anybody that takes him in round 12, you're going to say, sweet, if he's right, then I'm going to be awesome. But he's probably going to give you maybe four games of awesome, four games of heartbreak, and eight games on your bench because he's hurt.
Starting point is 00:04:49 Yeah, I guess what I was going to say is that all tight ends in standard scoring leagues are pretty touchdown dependent, but Reid can score touchdowns. I mean, he scored 11 in 14 games in 2014. He scored six in 12 games, and that's an eight-touchdown pace. That's awesome. In 2016 and last year, just six games for Jordan Reed, 211 yards and two touchdowns. All right, so that's a little bit of a preview.
Starting point is 00:05:12 We'll talk about some more late-round picks, some of the late running backs that went, not including the rookies. And we'll just recap that, but I think we're going to mostly move on from that draft. I do want to hear from you, your voicemails. 954-689-3199. 954-689-3199. That's our phone number. You can call that up, leave a voicemail with your name, your city, a greeting if you'd like, and a fantasy question. Please not a keeper question. If it's a keeper question, keep it simple. Your emails, got a lot of those today, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Quick run-through of the news and notes.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Odell Beckham attended Giants' off-season workout program. Yeah! Does that mean he's not getting traded for sure? No. For sure, for sure? No, I don't think so. Or maybe he was just getting a med check that the Giants can circulate to other teams. Could be. But he was there getting a med check that the Giants can circulate to other teams.
Starting point is 00:06:05 Could be. But he was there. That's good news. The Saints signed Cameron Meredith. Now, this is just an offer sheet, right? Right. So this is fun. This is interesting.
Starting point is 00:06:21 What's your take on this if Cameron Meredith becomes a Saints wide receiver? I'd love it. I think he would play. He's versatile enough to play inside or outside. He proved that in Chicago. But I think he'd be an upgrade in the slot over Willie Sneed. Well, Sneed probably won't be there. I mean, he's also restricted. They'd let him go if they signed Cameron.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Yeah, it's funny because Baltimore, I think, the story I read today is kind of waiting to see the outcome of the Meredith situation because if Sneed does hit the market, as expected, they would be interested in him and continuing their look at retread wide receivers. Yeah, I don't think really Meredith loses either way. I think it's a benefit playing with Drew Brees, but the targets would probably be better for him in Chicago
Starting point is 00:06:58 if he stays there. Obviously, it's a downgraded quarterback, but I like the idea of him going to New Orleans and playing with Drew Brees. Now, what do you think this would do for Michael Thomas, if anything, if they add Cameron Meredith? Nothing. No impact. Okay. Could it help him in the red zone?
Starting point is 00:07:21 No. Maybe a little? No. A little bit? Well, so here's the angle I was kind of considering 149 targets last year for Michael Thomas That is tied for the most for any player Any Saints player in the Drew Brees era Jimmy Graham at 149 in 2011
Starting point is 00:07:41 So it's the most for a wide receiver in the Drew Brees era. And I had mentioned this a lot. Usually a Drew Brees wide receiver is around the 130 to 135 target range. So 149 targets for Thomas last year was more than I expected. It really was. Is that concerning at all? Do you think he could go back to the 130 range? Would it matter?
Starting point is 00:08:03 I think he'll still be very efficient if not explosive in that range whether it's 130 or 140 to me the the bigger issue isn't cameron meredith because meredith might get a similar type of uh similar amount of targets than what we saw from willie sneed previously which is right around 100 targets, if I recall. I mean, Kamara and Ingram are going to take work away. That's what happened last year, especially in the red zone. Well, how about last question here? What do you think this does for Drew Brees?
Starting point is 00:08:39 Drew Brees has been for one, two, three, four, five, six, seven straight seasons before last year. He has thrown 627 or more passes. Now, you want to get any more specific? You look at the year he threw 627, he only played 15 games. He would have thrown 668 that year on a per-game basis if he had played 16. So then, you're really looking at
Starting point is 00:08:55 650 or more passes, seven straight seasons until last year. And he threw 536 passes in 2017. So more than 100 lower than what we're usually seeing from Drew Brees. So what do you think? Does this change anything for you, evaluating Drew Brees,
Starting point is 00:09:12 bringing in Cameron Meredith, if they bring him in? It's never a bad thing to add weapons, obviously. So I don't think any quarterback that's throwing the ball, even what he did last year at 536 attempts, is going to fall short of 30 touchdowns very often. So if he's going to be above 500 pass attempts with how he throws the ball and the success that he usually has, I would expect him to get back to 30 touchdowns. So I think he'll bounce back with or without Cameron Meredith. I think he'll bounce back and play better from a fantasy perspective. He was very efficient last year. He just wasn't the great
Starting point is 00:09:44 Drew Brees that we're used to seeing. So obviously it's nicer when he's throwing the ball 650-plus times, but I don't think that necessarily is going to make him a bad fantasy quarterback if he falls below the 600-pass attempt level again. He's just not going to be a top-three guy like we're used to seeing because he's getting older, offense is evolving, defense certainly better, his team is better, they're going to be in playoff contention. I go back to a conversation I had with Mark Ingram prior to last year
Starting point is 00:10:07 where he said this was after the addition of Peterson, and he said, well, we're in a spot where we can make things easier on Drew, and they did, and I think they'll do the same thing again this year because those two guys are certainly more apt to being at least as good as they were a year ago, if not better. They combined for 350 carries and 20 rushing touchdowns. Yeah. Of course that's going to take numbers away from Drew.
Starting point is 00:10:30 23 touchdowns for Brees. That's so low. So low. Right. So when's the last time the Saints had 20 rushing touchdowns? Yeah, I have no idea. I don't know either. Brees went in the seventh round.
Starting point is 00:10:44 He went 74th overall to Dave Richard. This is good value. Round seven for Drew Brees. He doesn't have to finish as a top five fantasy quarterback for him to be taken then. But he might. But he might. Because we've seen it before. And just a reminder on Cameron Meredith.
Starting point is 00:11:00 Missed all of last year. But in 2016, 14 games, just 96 targets, 888 yards on 66 catches with four touchdowns. And Meredith had six games with more than six targets that year. He scored double-digit fantasy points in standard scoring leagues in five of those six games with more than six targets. That's it. And he had four 100-yard games, so he actually had a really good year two years ago.
Starting point is 00:11:23 All right. The Titans signed Benny Logan, a defensive tackle. This is a team that allowed 3.5 yards per carry to opposing running backs last year. Now that's just to running backs, not to entire team, but just to running backs. That was fourth best in the NFL. Can you
Starting point is 00:11:39 name the three teams that were better than the Titans in yards per carry allowed to opposing running backs. Dave, don't cheat. I know you might be looking at the notes. No, I'm staring off into space thinking about it. Jamie's definitely not looking at the notes. No.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Who was better than the Titans yards per carry allowed to running backs last year? Minnesota? No. All right, here's some hints. Oh, Jacksonville. No. No, remember they had a bad run defense before Marcel Darius came over. We've got AFC North, AFC West, NFC West.
Starting point is 00:12:16 I looked. I saw. I can name them. Number one is Cleveland. They were the best on yards against running backs, yards per carry. Number two is Arizona. Number three was Denver. And Khalil Mack did not report for the first day of Oakland's offseason program.
Starting point is 00:12:33 We don't know what that was all about. I know, gasp. It's probably money. The other big news of the day is Andrew Luck spoke, and he said that he has not thrown a real football yet, not picked up a real football yet. Just those imaginary footballs that you see all around? He picked up a miniature football, apparently.
Starting point is 00:12:51 He's picked up a feather, and he tore his labrum again. How about like a Nerf football? Those are fun. I believe that's really what he's picked up. Nerf? Our Nerf. It's Nerf or nothing. But the little Nerf?
Starting point is 00:13:03 His quote was, I have not picked up the Duke and started throwing it yet. The Duke. When my kids were younger, they picked up the Duke. Such a mess. Then they threw it. All right. Let's hear a voicemail, and then we'll talk about the draft again. But, again, 954-689-3199.
Starting point is 00:13:22 This is about a wide receiver that was the number three wide receiver in fantasy last year. We might not talk about this wide receiver enough. All right, let's hear it. This is Ryan. Hey, guys. This is Ryan from Shiner, Texas. I've got Keenan Allen. I can keep him for a second-round pick next season in a 12-team point-per-reception lead.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And I'm curious, because I think it's kind of borderline on whether or not I keep him. Is there a pick number that you would suggest keeping him at once we determine our draft order? That's all I got. Stay cool. I love that they don't really know. Have a neat summer. One of your listeners is awesome. Oh, one of my listeners. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:14:10 It is awesome. Yeah. Did he say it was half PPR or full PPR? Full PPR. So Keenan Allen is coming off a great year. Like I said, the number three receiver had 102 catches, 1393 yards, and six touchdowns. Only six touchdowns despite the second most red zone targets and the second most targets inside the 10.
Starting point is 00:14:32 And Keenan Allen had just six touchdowns last year. The question is, when do you take him? When in the second round are you taking Keenan Allen? A few picks after you take Michael Thomas, A.J. Green, maybe Gronk, maybe Devontae Adams. Top 15. In PPR, you're definitely closer to top 15, and Standard would be closer to 20. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like he's someone that we've neglected a little bit.
Starting point is 00:15:02 You know, my bad. Is there any reason to doubt Keenan Allen? You know, I asked him, you know, what was the difference this year versus last year when I talked to him at the Pro Bowl, and he said 16 games. It's like, I know what I'm capable of when I play 16 games. So, I mean, I think for him, we've seen it. When he's healthy, he's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:15:18 And he was healthy last year for the first time in three seasons. So hopefully he stays healthy um you know if he if he's able to uh you know just avoid those those those nagging injuries uh like a lacerated kidney or an acl yeah it's uh it it's it's fun to see what he's capable of doing so um i i think he's he's once again gonna gonna be top 10 both formats so we're pretty much at the point where we're forgiving him for the injuries or do you kind of just keep in the back of your mind when you draft them and you say okay i just got to make sure i have another receiver that i take it round eight no i don't worry about that i don't worry about that with him um in terms of like handcuffing but i i did ask him because he got hurt at arrowhead again he got carted off the field with a back injury in 2017
Starting point is 00:16:03 and 2016 was game one at arrowhead when he tore his ACL. And so I said, are you just going to stop playing Arrowhead? And he's like, yeah, that place is just terrible. I think from a standpoint of just his personal experience. But it's pretty obvious. When he's been on the field his rookie season, he was great. His second year, I remember at the owner's meetings, Mike McCoy, the coach of the Chargers at the time, saying he's got a target on his back. He's got to be prepared to be, you know, considered
Starting point is 00:16:28 a number one receiver on an NFL team. And he had what I think you can easily, you know, classify as a slump down season. And then, you know, week three, year three was when he had that eight game monstrous start and then had the kidney injury and then the ACL. So it's not like he's ankle sprained, missed three games, hamstring injury, missed a couple weeks. He's been major injuries, and so hopefully he can avoid that because he's a star. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:59 The career for Keenan Allen, as Jamie just laid out, 1,000 yards and eight touchdowns as a rookie. Then 14 games in his second year, only 783 yards and four touchdowns. 2015, he bounced back strong, 67 catches, 725 yards and four touchdowns in eight games. He was on pace for 1,450 yards and eight touchdowns and like 134 catches. And then 2016, what did he play, a half of one game? Yeah. So based on that quick math, he was on pace for 2,016 yards in 2016.
Starting point is 00:17:39 Keenan Allen's been awesome. Now, can we draw any parallels between Keenan Allen and Allen Robinson? Allen Robinson's big year was not his rookie year. But he had the big year. Maybe he had the target on his back. I mean, it essentially was. It was? He got hurt his rookie year.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Okay, right. Okay, great. So it's kind of interesting, right? Like, I didn't think about this until just now. Great first year, breakout year. Slumps a little bit because he has the target on his back in his second year. Gets hurt immediately next year. And then kind of shocks us, you know?
Starting point is 00:18:12 And Keenan Allen was what, like a late third-round pick in a 12-team league? Yeah, I think you're definitely on to something with that caliber of player. The one thing I would say if you're trying to compare the two would be Keenan Allen's got a great quarterback. Yeah. And we have to see if Robinson has that. He might. You know, certainly the draft stock on Trubisky and what the coaching there could be and everything surrounding him this season can hopefully suggest a Jared Goff type of leap like we saw in Goff's second season when he got a new coach and a more offensive-minded head coach. So hopefully that happens because Robinson can certainly benefit from it, and it ties in
Starting point is 00:18:50 Cameron Meredith, too. If Meredith is there, that's going to help that offense as well. But I think Keenan Allen sort of established himself with his guy and then just got back to being healthy with his guy, whereas now Robinson has to prove he's healthy along with getting on the same page with a new quarterback and a new system. I would also throw in that supporting cast is better for Keenan Allen than it is for
Starting point is 00:19:09 Allen Robinson. Whereas Keenan Allen's almost never going to see the defensive coverage shifted his way except in the red zone, maybe only inside the 10. But you know what, though? For Allen, it really was last year where he had the better supporting cast. Because prior to that, his supporting cast was terrible. And he had great numbers. Who do you guys like better, Keenan Allen or Devontae Adams?
Starting point is 00:19:33 I have Adams a spot higher. I like Keenan Allen better in PPR. And in standard scoring, I believe I like Adams better. Okay, then. Well, thank you. So let's talk about the mock draft. They're both back-to-back, though, just to confirm. Yeah, fair enough.
Starting point is 00:19:51 So before we get into that, you guys going to be on HQ anytime soon? I was on today with our good friend Brian McFadden. Ah, BMAC. I'll be on with him, I believe, later this week. And we were talking about the Cameron Meredith situation and the Patriots situation, signing Jordan Matthews. I don't think we talked about that. And what else did we talk about today?
Starting point is 00:20:16 More receivers. We didn't talk about that. Do we need to talk about that? What's your quick take? I like the signing for Brady. I think he is a good replacement option if he's healthy for Danny Amendola, because I don't think he's going to step into the Brandon Cooks role. That's more of a outside type receiver. He has not typically been that in his career.
Starting point is 00:20:35 The fact that they paid him as little as they did suggests he's banking on himself. So if he can go in and give them one of those interior targets that they love so much, he'll be somebody that will, I think, oh, Jordan Matthews had a good game. Should he pick him up? Yeah, maybe so. Late round pick or late round, a little bit of fab dollars, one of your late waiver wire claims, and then next week you'll cut him. Yeah, okay.
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Starting point is 00:22:07 And go to cbssports.com slash podcast for all of our shows. All right. So talking about some more late-round trends, the round nine running backs in the draft that we did were really interesting. It was standard scoring. So we had Duke Johnson, Georgia. That was a steal. I was so mad when I saw that. Is it, though?
Starting point is 00:22:29 Yes. Tell me why. Because he's in an offense that's going to be better. You talked about this with Carlos Hyde, running quarterback. So when is Tyrod Taylor mostly going to run? In running situations when Carlos Hyde's on the field or in passing situations when pocket breaks down and he's got to get out of there?
Starting point is 00:22:43 How does that help Duke Johnson, though? Dump dump offs yeah i think duke johnson will benefit from it broken offenses he'll catch the ball at backfield i think he'll be on the field a lot do you think he does anything close to what he did last year he had a lot of touchdowns and a lot of yards by comparison to what he's done before and he didn't do it on a lot of carries i think everybody can bind him being a great passing downs running back. I don't know if anybody can look at him and say, there's a guy that's going to score seven touchdowns this year. No, he can score five.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Yeah. Round nine is just good value for somebody who's going to touch the ball probably 150 times. Round nine would have been good for me as the hide owner if I had taken Duke Johnson. I don't know if I want to handcuff my flex. But in a standard scoring league, I just have an issue getting a guy who gets six carries and isn't the goal linebacker.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Yeah, this is all true. There are certainly fluky players who have had success like this before. I mean, it's not something you can bank on, but he can – I don't know. I just like the value in round nine. Sure. Duke Johnson, Nick Chubb, who's a rookie out of Georgia. Another great pick. Yeah, that was Dave.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Dave must have a great draft. I was kind of targeting Duke Johnson, to be honest, and then when he went off the board, I kind of freaked out a little bit and went to my rookie draft board, and there was Nick Chubb. Figured I'd throw the dart at him. Samaj P. Ryan of the Redskins. Rashad Penny. That'd be interesting.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Yeah. All these guys are pretty interesting. Of course, I had the best one. Rashad Penny to Jamie, running back out of San Diego State. Ty Montgomery to me. Aaron Jones. Matt Breed. Not Elijah Penny. Rashad Penny.
Starting point is 00:24:27 I said Elijah Penny? Yeah. My bad. Rashad Penny. Much better draft pick than Elijah. So Duke Johnson, Nick Chubb, Samajay Pirine, Rashad Penny, Ty Montgomery, Aaron Jones with back-to-back picks, and then Matt Breida. What do you think about the Packers running backs, guys?
Starting point is 00:24:47 You know, after what Mike McCarthy said when I asked him about it at the owners' meetings, it sounds like it could be a little bit messy with Montgomery still being in the mix. But I'd be shocked if he's going to be the primary running down back. I would anticipate him being more of a change-of-pace guy and a third-down type of back. I would anticipate him being more of a change of pace guy and a third down type of back. But, you know, the one thing that McCarthy said, which, you know, go back to what he said last year, which is he wants somebody that can do it all. And I think if you were to look at it, you'd probably say Jamal Williams showed enough that he could do, you know, all facets of what a running back can do in terms of running the ball, pass catching and pass blocking.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Montgomery did that. He just has a hard time staying running the ball, pass catching, and pass blocking. Montgomery did that. He just has a hard time staying healthy, and we'll see if Aaron Jones can do that as well. So I think it's going to be a little messy at first, but it could be like what we saw last year where there's just sort of pockets of one guy being good for a stretch, another guy being good for a stretch, and another guy being good for a stretch.
Starting point is 00:25:39 It's just a matter of how big those stretches may be for each individual player. You know, when we talk about running back tandems and the situations where you've got a guy that handles running downs and you've got a guy that handles passing downs, like in Cleveland. We're expecting that with Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson. And then you've got running back tandems like in Atlanta where both guys can do anything and they just mix and match them however they feel, whether it's by series or
Starting point is 00:26:06 you know you're in for five snaps and the other guys in for five snaps however they manage it green bay if they stick with what they have at running back i think they could feel okay about all three guys doing work in all three downs maybe pass protection could be a different story but that could make for the ultimate headache for fantasy owners looking to try and get a piece of that offense that's typically pretty good. Is there a good reason why Jamal Williams went four rounds ahead of Montgomery and Jones, in your opinion? At the very least, he's bigger and stronger. So maybe if they want to give roles in specific situations, that guy will work the goal line. I think he's the best one.
Starting point is 00:26:52 I'll go back to what I said last year. I just like what I saw from him coming out of college and what I expected him to do by comparison to Montgomery and Jones. I'm more excited about him than I am the other two. Jamal Williams. Okay. Yeah. Randall Cobb in round – Oh, the first to Marco Murray in round 10.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Stick with the running backs. Are you guys – Do you even have Murray on your radar right now? It's not a bad gamble at this point in the draft. It comes down to you know clearly where he's going to end up playing but you know as we're sitting here today and you know could he sign with a team similar to like what frank ward did where he's with somebody who's unproven and ends up you know getting 10 to 15 carries a game or 10 to 15 touches a game
Starting point is 00:27:41 like let's just say tampa bay i saw one of the Bucs beat writers suggest that they don't take Barkley if he's available to them, I believe at what, eight, seven or eight? Seven. And then they get – and he suggested Rashad Penny in the second round. So let's just say that's the move that they make. And so then they go with Penny and now it's Peyton Barber and then maybe they make a cheap signing of DeMarco Murray. He's going to play in Tampa Bay.
Starting point is 00:28:06 How much he plays, who knows, but he'll play there. So I think that's the type of scenario if you're counting on DeMarco Murray to end up somewhere where he can get work. It's with an unproven back. You know, like Giants, for example. Let's say they took a flyer on him with what they have there now. I doubt it they would do it with Jon Stewart. But, you know, just a team that doesn't have a proven back.
Starting point is 00:28:23 The Colts, for example. You know, if he ended up in Indianapolis to pair him with a rookie in Marlon Mack, that could be something that happens too. I just don't like that he took a visit to Seattle, the Seahawks hosted him, and then they re-signed Mike Davis. He went to Detroit,
Starting point is 00:28:38 hung out with the Lions for a while, they signed LeGarblon. It could be money. Could be money. Every free agent running back is like, hey, DeMarco, can you go work out somewhere? I need a job. All right, moving on. Randall Cobb.
Starting point is 00:28:52 This was actually, you know, we did favorite late round picks. This was the one I was most excited about. This was my pick. I'm biased, of course. But I really like it, right now anyway. If they add someone, it would be something. Depends on how much they invest in that wide receiver. I expect them to draft a wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:29:09 But I just feel like almost by default, Randall Cobb has to put up some numbers. So I liked him 129th overall. But you guys don't really seem to be interested in Randall Cobb. So tell me why I'm a big stupid moron. It feels like we've been saying that for two years now, where there's no choice. He's got to get better. We've been saying it ever since 2015.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Did we last year? I mean, I think we pretty much... Last year he was done, yeah. I think it's interesting, just to compare two guys in this round, and you had the choice of both, is Randall Cobb and Calvin Benjamin. Because you have two guys who have had previous success. You have one that's in a situation with, obviously, quarterback if not the best in the NFL and you have the other who is probably the number one receiver on his team but he's just had a hard time you know staying in shape and and living up to his rookie performance and previous
Starting point is 00:29:57 expectations and so what's the better guy to take a chance on you know is is it you know player rebounding with better quarterback, or is it better player, younger player, with a chance to sort of resuscitate his career, probably with a rookie? Yeah, I mean, for me, it's the Packers guy, Randall Cobb. If Calvin Benjamin still had Tyrod Taylor
Starting point is 00:30:18 there, maybe. If Calvin Benjamin were on Green Bay, of course, I'd take him over Cobb. But, you know, Cobb's not that old or anything. Two years ago, when Jordy Nelson got hurt, he had a bad year. He really disappointed us. And he got passed over by Devontae Adams, and I get it. It was bad.
Starting point is 00:30:33 But now Adams is the number one. He's the number two. And last year, actually, I mean, really small sample size. But Jordy Nelson got hurt in week two. Randall Cobb had a good game before he left with an injury. I think he played three quarters. He had six catches for 60 yards on nine targets. Jordy Nelson got hurt in week two. Randall Cobb had a good game before he left with an injury. I think he played three quarters. He had six catches for 60 yards on nine targets.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Yeah, there are some people at Green Bay that say he hasn't been the same since the lung injury in the playoffs a couple years ago. Keep in mind, you know, you talked about this, Adam, the year that Randall Cobb was great. It was the touchdowns, which we kind of knew were unsustainable, and now they have, you know, one of the best red zone threats that we've seen the last couple of years with Jimmy Graham. I think it's interesting, you know, even just to go a couple picks further. one of the best red zone threats that we've seen in the last couple of years with Jimmy Graham. I think it's interesting, even just to go a couple picks further,
Starting point is 00:31:14 again, comparing Cobb to Benjamin to Paul Richardson, who could get a bigger featured role with the Redskins. Kenny Galladay, who we know has a chance to be an improved player in his second year. Rashard Matthews, who, for whatever it's worth, doesn't go away and maybe get a better opportunity. He could be somebody that we're really overlooking because think about what their receiving core is right now. It's Corey Davis and him. And then Albert Wilson, who
Starting point is 00:31:34 is going to get a big opportunity going from Kansas City to Miami, where they have to replace 160 targets and 122 catches with Jarvis Landry being gone. I like getting him in round 11 if you're getting depth. He's going to be a good third or fourth or fifth receiver for your team. Nobody's a starter here. And I don't think he's ever getting back to 2014.
Starting point is 00:31:56 No, no, I don't. 1,300 yards and 12 touchdowns. But if anybody thought that, though, he's going around five. The other game I wanted to talk about was when it appeared that Jordy Nelson was washed up and Aaron Rodgers comes back, plays one game at Carolina. Randall Cobb had a huge game. He had seven catches for 84 yards and a touchdown on 14 targets. So, you know, look, I can't base it all on two games,
Starting point is 00:32:21 but getting him, what did I say, 129th overall? Yeah, I guess, you know, Albert Wilson, that's a good call. All these guys I could certainly make a case for over Cobb, but I don't know why. For some reason, I am the Cobb guy. Look, there's nothing wrong with banking on great quarterbacks. Start with the beginning of the show. Rewind and talk.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Insert Cameron Meredith going to New Orleans. It's the same thing. It's Guy getting a chance to play with an amazing player and as we've seen more times than not, that quarterback typically will elevate that receiver if he's got talent and ability. So who do you like better? Cameron Meredith if he's on the Saints or Cobb?
Starting point is 00:32:58 Meredith. I'll take Cobb. Alright. Alright then. I think we'll pretty much wrap it up. You guys want to talk about your teams? Any final thoughts? Sure. Yeah. Go for it.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Have fun with it. I mean, for anybody listening to the last show, for me, it's the same thing. I love my running back depth with David Johnson falling to six, Saquon Barkley in round two. Did we talk about our teams on the last show? We, I mean, briefly. I thought we didn't. That's why I'm doing this.
Starting point is 00:33:30 I apologize if I did. So I took David Johnson at sixth overall. I took Saquon Barkley in the second round. As I had planned, which, again, going back to the last show, I thought I was taking a receiver at sixth, but both Antonio Brown and De and deandre hopkins went at the four or five spots so there was david johnson at six i plan to take barkley around too i did i went very heavy at running back and very heavy at rookie running back because i took
Starting point is 00:33:55 alex collins i believe it was around four and rashad penny along with uh sony michelle so i have three rookie running backs. All three could either be great or in bad situations, but that's the gamble of doing mock drafts before the NFL draft. Receiver is certainly a weak spot for me. I love Doug Baldwin as a top ten guy, so I got him in round three. But Robert Woods is my number two guy. James Crowder is number three.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Quincy Inunua, Anthony Miller, another rookie, and Paul Richardson. In hindsight, that's a spot that I would have liked to have at least one more, at least number three guy to make it a little bit more sound. Delaney Walker at tight end, and I have what I consider the number two quarterback in fantasy in Russell Wilson. So good at quarterback, great at running back, okay at receiver at tight end. I feel a little better about him. Let's recap it here so people can absorb Jamie's beautiful team.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Quarterback is Russell Wilson. Running backs are David Johnson, Saquon Barkley, and Alex Collins. Those are the starters. Doug Baldwin and Robert Woods. And the tight end is Delaney Walker. Nothing to complain about there. And the bench, Sonny Michelle, Rashad Penny, a couple of rookie running backs, Anthony Miller, wide receiver Paul Richardson, Quincy Inunua, and Jamison Crowder.
Starting point is 00:35:13 I forgot about him. All right, Dave, it's your turn. I picked from the two-hole, got Ezekiel Elliott in the first round. Devontae Freeman was there in round two. I couldn't pass him up, and that kind of wedged me into taking receivers in rounds three and four, and I think I got away lucky with Tyreek Hill and Josh Gordon as my two starting wide receivers. Jamal Williams in round five to add running back depth, and you know that I like going crazy on running backs. That's what I did in this draft. I'll just run down the rest of my running backs while I'm at it.
Starting point is 00:35:45 It's Nick Chubb, Kenneth Dixon, Tariq Cohen, and Kerryon Johnson from Auburn. Receiver depth is something I never go deep on, but I did get Robbie Anderson to be my third receiver. Now that charges have been dropped against him, I feel better about his chances of not getting suspended. Oh, he's getting suspended. You think it'll be four games? Probably.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Well, that would suck for me. But I got him at a point in the draft where I was pretty comfortable taking him. And even with the Jets being a total mess right now, I do know that they're going to have to play from behind in a bunch of games, throw the ball. And that's always good for a deep ball receiver like Robbie Anderson. I didn't mind taking him there. I also took Christian Kirk.
Starting point is 00:36:24 That's a rookie receiver from Texas A&M. I'm almost positive of that. And I think he's a good receiver that's going to come out and might make a nice impact as a rookie. Tight end sucks. Got Jordan Reed late. I expect to either start him week one or drop him for somebody else who's starting week one.
Starting point is 00:36:41 Could be the steal of the draft, Dave. Could be, or he could be a waste of a round 12 pick, but it's a round 12 pick. Rather waste one of those than a round 7, 8, 9 pick. Drew Brees is the quarterback. You might have heard of him. I think it's pronounced Carry-On Johnson. That is the greatest name.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I think you said that. I'm pretty sure you might have said carry because it's spelled carry. I just tried to look at the Auburn media guide. Yeah, there's an on at the endurn media guide. I think it's carry. Yeah, there's an on at the end of his name. So carry on or carry in. But that's incredible. That is team name gold.
Starting point is 00:37:12 He's worth drafting just for the team names. No? You don't think? He is. Sure. Silence says everything. Carry on my wayward son. Sure, sure, sure.
Starting point is 00:37:24 You could have fun with Saquon Barkley. Darius Geis, I think you could have some fun with Saquon. Carry on my wayward son. Saquon. Sure, sure, sure. You could have fun with Saquon Barkley. Darius Geis, I think you could probably get creative there. Wait a second. So how are we going to have fun with Saquon Barkley? Well, Barkley, obviously. You can – that's references to Charles Barkley. Barkley the dog on Sesame Street. Gnarls.
Starting point is 00:37:41 And then Saquon. I'm not sure. You could play with that. There's potential there. And then Saquon. I'm not sure. You can play with that. There's potential there. Somebody can think of something. All right, you don't need to hear my team. You can see it on the website. Come on, say your team.
Starting point is 00:37:55 Oh, okay. I know you're proud of it. Come on. I just have to get it. So I have, what, the ninth pick? You want me to read it to you? No, I got it. Okay, my quarterback is Deshaun Watson, and my tight end is Zach Ertz.
Starting point is 00:38:08 So, you know, right there, I've got elites at quarterback and tight end. So you've got to say, oh, well, he must be terrible at the other positions. Wrong! I have Leonard Fournette and Derek Henry. In a standard scoring league, that's like 25 touchdowns. Leonard Fournette and Derek Henry. Carlos Hyde is my flex. That's another 15. No, that's like eight touchdowns there. Now you're up to 26 touchdowns. Leonard Fournette and Derrick Henry. Carlos Hyde is my flex. That's another 15.
Starting point is 00:38:25 No, that's like eight touchdowns there. Now you're up to 26 touchdowns. Michael Thomas is my number one wide receiver. And choosing from my number two wide receiver, we have Cooper Cup, Calvin Ridley, Randall Cobb, and Terrell Pryor. And my backup running backs are Ty Montgomery. Remember, this is my number four running backs. My flex is Carlos Hyde. Ty Montgomery.
Starting point is 00:38:51 That's it. I only drafted four. I took Greg Zerline in the third to last round, because why not get an elite kicker? And the Chiefs DST in the last round, because they play a high school team in week one, so they're a good matchup. Schedule's not out yet.
Starting point is 00:39:11 Not nice of you to talk about the Browns that way. So yeah, that's my wonderful team. Alright, it's time for your wonderful emails and voicemails. We're going to take a quick detour from football for this terrific voicemail. We're going to take a quick detour from football for this terrific voicemail.
Starting point is 00:39:27 Here we go. What's up, guys? This is Clint from South Carolina. Dear Rick, Carl, Daryl, and Carol, I had a question about fantasy, but while I'm on the subject of The Walking Dead, I'll ask this. Is The Walking Dead one of the most overrated TV shows in modern history? To add ammunition to the argument, I think they are just taking advantage of their huge fan base
Starting point is 00:39:50 acquired from the early seasons of the show and have turned it into a giant soap opera using what feels like $72 an episode. Compared to one of the best shows in modern history in the Game of Thrones, they haven't missed a beat since its inception, and every episode is awesome. Tell me I am wrong. Later, guys.
Starting point is 00:40:10 I don't know if there's anybody in this room that watches both shows. So I've probably, Jamie and I watch Game of Thrones, Dave watches Walking Dead, but my wife watches Walking Dead, so I've seen probably like five to eight episodes, more recent ones. And yeah, the budget thing that Clint brought up is my first impression of the show was like, this is not bad, but man, is it cheaply produced. It's like very low budget.
Starting point is 00:40:38 So I did get that impression. It's a little campy. I have got, I think like I've heard the same criticism from Clint that it's just not that good anymore. It's not. There's been one think I've heard the same criticism from Clint that it's just not that good anymore. It's not. There's been one really good episode the last two seasons. Oh, that sucks. They've had this whole storyline where the survivors run into this other band of survivors,
Starting point is 00:40:56 but they're a meaner group led by a mean guy named Negan, and it turns out that Negan is more fair than mean. Negan is a great character and an awesome actor. He's a great character in the comics. I'm disappointed with how he's turned out in the show. And the thing about Game of Thrones, last season was not good. Wrong. No, you know I'm right.
Starting point is 00:41:24 You know it was just weird. No, but again, you're comparing it to earlier seasons. Well, yeah. It still not good. Wrong. No, you know I'm right. You know it was a little – it was just weird. No, but again, you're comparing it to earlier seasons. Well, yeah. It still was good. I think that's fair. Look, Antonio Brown wasn't as good as he was two years ago, but he's still pretty good, right? No, I think that if that were the first season of Game of Thrones, I don't know that people would have really liked it that much. It was so nonsensical.
Starting point is 00:41:43 No, it was so nonsensical. You're wrong. I don't know that people would have really liked it that much because it was so nonsensical. No, it was so nonsensical. It just – every – Game of Thrones did an amazing job of creating this completely unrealistic world and making these rules that you all could – that people could be like, oh, okay, fine. It makes sense in this world. That's a great part of science fiction. They broke all of their own rules in season seven. They just got – they're not going off the books anymore, so the writing is not as good. They better come strong in year 8 That stuff kind of happens in The Walking Dead
Starting point is 00:42:09 I mean like the overall basis Of The Walking Dead is If you get bit by a walker you're dead And they haven't gotten away from that No one's gotten bit by a walker and then miraculously survived But just for the case Think of a character on the Game of Thrones Clear boss type of character
Starting point is 00:42:24 Has a number two guy. Okay. The number two guy betrays the boss. Would the boss immediately kill off his number two guy? Or would he forgive him and then give him a chance to run the entire operation if he beats him in a fist fight? Well, I don't know. That's what happened on The Walking Dead this week. And it was – if The Walking Dead is in a world where there are no cops
Starting point is 00:42:54 and there is no law and someone does something you don't like, you just shoot them in the face and you go on your merry way. And that should have happened here. You know what? A lot of that should have happened. It doesn't make sense and it makes me mad. Last episode of Season 7 in Game of Thrones, somebody should have died and didn't.
Starting point is 00:43:12 It was kind of a similar scenario, actually. It was very disappointing. Okay. Who should have died? There was a character. I don't want to give away. No, you're well past. Alright, fine. Hit the fast forward button. Cersei should have killed Jaime and or Tyrion and would have in any other season.
Starting point is 00:43:32 But they don't kill people. They don't kill good guys anymore. That was the best part of Game of Thrones. You never knew who was going to die. Now you know. There are like ten people that are just not going to die. All right. Well, I mean part of that is because nobody's left.
Starting point is 00:43:44 I guess. I guess I guess the walking dead killed off a character that's been on the show since its beginning for no reason whatsoever honestly no real it's the Carl the kid
Starting point is 00:43:58 oh really the sheriff see now I should have given you a spoiler warning that has. That just happened this week? No, that happened like 10 weeks ago. Oh, that's fine. All right. That was 10 weeks ago. And I don't know if the kids just wanted off the show or if they wanted to shake up the show a little bit.
Starting point is 00:44:17 But to quote a friend of ours who used to work here, it's just stupid. So let's get to some emails here. We have a couple more voicemails later, but I want to read the emails. Been neglecting the good old emailers. Fantasyfootball at CBSi.com. Eric from D.C. Eric from D.C. I did watch Happy Gilmore the other day.
Starting point is 00:44:37 I know that's Billy Madison, but I watched Happy Gilmore the other day, and it was terrific. Dear Wyatt, Virgil, Morgan, and Doc. Is that Tombstone? Maybe Don't know Tell me if I'm crazy But I think Alan Hearns and Deontay Thompson Are both better than Dez Bryant these days
Starting point is 00:44:55 Is he crazy? Yes Hmm Definitely I think he's crazy Do you think Saquon and Daryl I had to like think for like How long was that? Hmm. I think he's crazy. Do you think Saquon and Gnarls? I had to think for like, how long was that? About three and a half seconds?
Starting point is 00:45:10 Yeah. Do you think that Saquon and Gnarls Barkley would call him crazy? Do you think he would do that? At least your listeners like listening to you. Yeah, my listeners. Is your wife like listening to you. Yeah, my listeners. Does your wife like your singing? Like when you're at home and you're cooking dinner or cleaning the house and you're singing Bryan Adams' latest hits out loud to your cat,
Starting point is 00:45:36 does she start dancing to your singing or does she tell you to shut up? I get the sense that she's getting pretty annoyed with it. I get the sense, but she's a trooper. If I sing one note at home to any song, I get yelled at by my wife, kids, and dog. I think Eric's point was that, well, I think he was trying to get at Dak, you know, actually improving with Hearns and Thompson instead of Dez. You're not buying it. It's hard to say that Dez has fallen so far that Alan Hearns, who was just cut by the Jaguars and got one of the worst contracts in recent memory. And Deontay Thompson, who's had five good games last year, with the best five games of his career, maybe.
Starting point is 00:46:32 I don't think Dez has fallen that far yet. All right, this is from Steven. Where's he from? Pittsburgh, Kansas. He's from Philadelphia, actually. Jalen, Michael, Dante, and Phil, those are Villanova stars. I have two questions. I'm a Villanova student.
Starting point is 00:46:50 I was a little nervous all last week because Adam potentially bonanzaed Villanova by all but guaranteeing that they would win on last Tuesday's show. So my first question is, do you think that overcoming Adam's bonanza is an achievement that Jay Wright can put on his resume? And my second question is, I'm thinking that if you draft Alex Collins, it's worth picking up Kenneth Dixon in the last rounds because the Ravens are hesitant to give the offense over to Alex Collins. What are your thoughts?
Starting point is 00:47:14 Assuming they don't add another running back, I like that idea a lot. Dixon is a running back that I think will be forgotten about in most leagues. Is he healthy? Let's draft him as if he is. Is Buck Allen still on the roster? Who? That guy. What?
Starting point is 00:47:30 Who? That takes away all the work of all the people we like. You mean that annoying guy? Yep. He's so annoying that he's got a cool nickname like Buck, but his real name is Javoris. I'm right here. I'm right here, geez. He is still on the roster and is very cheap, so Kenneth Dixon may not get the work that
Starting point is 00:47:44 we hope he gets. What about Jay Wright? Should he put that on his resume? I think he should. I think your Bonanza curse has been broken. I think so. It was a myth all along. Well, no, it was not a myth.
Starting point is 00:47:56 It was an actual curse. I don't know what point broke the curse. You are perisly heading toward another problem, though, because you have yet to swallow your Bean Boozled. Oh, I Bean Boozled on Easter. I didn't tell you guys. You tried to tell us that last time. Yeah. We don't believe you.
Starting point is 00:48:13 So you need to actually do it. It happened. We have to see you do it. And you said you didn't swallow the whole thing. No, I spit it out. Yeah, I almost threw up. Right. So that's not doing it.
Starting point is 00:48:22 I think I have a taste bud issue. I'm very, very sensitive. Very sensitive. Okay, question from Dallas in Las Vegas. That's weird. Yeah, I know. I commission our 12-team standard keeper league. We try to make it a real NFL GM experience by having the draft as a non-snake format.
Starting point is 00:48:46 Each round is the inverse of the standings from the year before, so if you were last, you have the first pick of every round. You know, just like the NFL draft. Everyone in our league seemed to enjoy it over the years, and it's kept everyone engaged by allowing bad teams a chance to turn around quickly the next year. Recently, I had another avid player who's not
Starting point is 00:49:02 in our league telling me how dumb of an idea this was, the non-snake draft. We do allow trading of future draft picks, and you can keep up to three players for up to three years with standard round penalties. We have seemed to enjoy this format, but is it a bad one? If so, why? And P.S., we have a different winner each year. If you enjoy it, it's not bad. If everybody's all in on how you set up your league
Starting point is 00:49:25 and do your draft and run your teams. So don't let anybody tell you differently. I'd like it better if you had more keepers. If you could keep six, seven players, that way everybody can build the nucleus of their team. And then the draft doesn't swing so much. Because if you're the last place team, everybody keeps three players players and I'm still getting two of the top 13 guys. I think that's an advantage. I'd like to know how often teams that pick in the top three are in the championship game in your league, Dallas.
Starting point is 00:50:01 In Vegas. And I would like it better if you did the first three rounds your way and then started snaking. But hey, if it works for you, it works for you. Your other friend is a jerk face. Connor from St. Louis. Let's see if Dave can get this greeting. Hey, Marcel, Tommy, and Dexter.
Starting point is 00:50:20 Is this a baseball one? I'm not telling. It's a baseball one. Okay. Specifically? Cardinals. telling. It's a baseball one. Okay, specifically. Cardinals. What about them? There are three players on the St. Louis Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Outfielders. I said outfielders, yes. Dalvin Cook in the second round, 23rd overall. Or Keenan Allen in the fourth round, 47th overall. And no, I don't know if it's standard or PPR. Cook 23rd overall, Keenan Allen in the fourth round 47th overall and no I don't know if it's standard or PPR cooking cook 23rd overall Keenan Allen 47th and is it for one year or for forever I'll call him I'll ask don't call him during a Cardinals baseball game you might not
Starting point is 00:50:58 answer who do you want cooking the second Allen in the fourth I'll take Allen yeah better value. And Connor says, oh, I can't bean boozle either, Adam. You're not alone. Thank you. From Arnold. I bet if Connor had to bean boozle, though, he wouldn't spit it out. Yeah, well, I would.
Starting point is 00:51:15 He would chew and swallow like you're supposed to do with all food items. He is one of your listeners. He is. Arnold says, hey, CBS Fantasy Football Podcast. Where's Arnold from, Dave? Arnold is from Pittsburgh, Kansas. 12-team
Starting point is 00:51:33 PPR. Keep one from last year. Todd Gurley in the third round. End of story, right? Or Aaron Rodgers in the 15th round girly yeah i'd go girly it sounds crazy mike people people are listening going how could you do that aaron rogers is such a good value in round 15 it's definitely girly it's girly You're getting the number one player in the draft and a stud in PPR.
Starting point is 00:52:07 The only way it doesn't work out is if Jeff Fisher comes out of coaching retirement and is somehow hired by the Rams and says, all right, we're going back to the way that we do football in the Jeff Fisher era. I don't know if Jeff Fisher really talks like that voice or not. All of a sudden, Jeff Fisher sounds like wilford brimley have you ever have you have you guys seen the uh the captain andrew luck twitter handle yes so based on what he said today we have a new post uh dearest mother i'm once again among my men in my exuberance there have been some confusion while i have been using live ammo with my sidearm the rounds have not been the standard issue duke.
Starting point is 00:52:46 I simply cannot risk redamaging my barrel. Soon I shall upgrade. Andrew. I've never seen this Twitter account. Oh, it's so funny. It's very clever. Does the actual Seinfeld or like the fake Seinfeld account still exist? I think so. That's really funny.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Okay, here's a question from my guest. It's like Seinfeld storylines if Seinfeld were still on the internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I must follow it. Okay. Hey, Andrew, Rob, Sammy, and Leonard. We should know that. All right, well, we'll get it.
Starting point is 00:53:18 Come draft day, which starter – oh, these are probably injury-prone players. Which starters at each position might you downgrade somewhat because of injury risk? Well, Andrew Luck would be one of them. Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson. Well, but come draft day, they might be practicing already. They might even have a couple weeks of practice under their belt, in which case you probably wouldn't do John DeGerais. Can Andrew Luck be the same way?
Starting point is 00:53:45 He could. That's a fair point. Any other? How about Jordan Reed? Oh, yeah. How about Tyler Eifert? Leonard Fournette, Dalvin Cook, Chris Carson. Do you think people are going to steer away? Marshawn McCoy because they're older.
Starting point is 00:54:08 Do you think people will steer away from guys that had concussions, like high-profile concussions last year? I mean, is there a poster child? Well, C.J. Fedorowicz doesn't really count because no one i mean there's no uh what was the guy for the colts that got concussed all the time uh austin collie oh no yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean wes welker was was in that category too you know i i think it's more the guys at this point like keenan allen i think you know now that he played a full season you know he's probably behind that a little bit but odell you, is there a concern over him?
Starting point is 00:54:48 Is there a concern over Allen Robinson? Alshon Jeffries coming off a shoulder injury. He's going to be in a sling still, as far as I understand. He had rotator cuff surgery. I'm toying with the idea that there's no such thing as injury prone in any sport. Injury prone? Yeah. I was a Derrick Rose fan for several years Well yeah I think his body
Starting point is 00:55:08 Broke down I'd say But I think there are some guys like Will Fuller for example Somebody's got to get past it Yeah but he easily could I mean yeah Derrick Rose is completely broken down But I think it's more
Starting point is 00:55:23 Going back to the Keenan Allen discussion. It comes to a point where what's the injury? Is it every – Jordan Reed, the toe problem, the knee problem, the ankle problem. He just has little minor injuries that keep him out for an extended period of time. Andrew Luck, lacerated kidney, same like Allen. Shoulder problem that they just didn't handle right. Once he gets on the field, I think you should feel comfortable that he should be okay.
Starting point is 00:55:48 I think that, like Le'Veon Bell ended a few consecutive seasons hurt, right? He's played 16 games. David Johnson has had a serious injury in each of his last two games. Do we consider him injury prone? I don't know that you can. The guy I really worry about is Leonard Fournette because he's so physical. He takes on so much contact. So that's not necessarily
Starting point is 00:56:10 injury prone. That's just football prone. Yeah. You talked about this and he hasn't been right since. Thomas Rawls. Yeah, and Leonard Fournette reminds me of Thomas Rawls, only in the fact that they both love taking on contact. It's not the smartest thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:56:25 Well, we also have a new rule, too. That's going to impact how those guys play. Sure. All right, Modern Seinfeld, by the way, hasn't updated since 2015. So it's a Twitter account about nothing? Yeah, basically. When the Wi-Fi George usually steals suddenly has a password, he becomes addicted to trying to hack in.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Jerry, just get your own. George, never. It to trying to hack in. Jerry, just get your own. George, never. It was funny back in 2015. All right, finish with a couple emails here. Here we go. Hi, this is Anthony from upstate New York. Just wanted to provide you a heads up. I've been listening to the last few podcasts.
Starting point is 00:56:58 You talked about the Seahawks, Chris Carson, Russell Wilson, that kind of thing from a fantasy perspective. Just want to let you know that the Seahawks' Pete Carroll is focusing on getting back to the running game. They've overturned their staff. They've got Schottenheimer, who is the offensive coordinator, who's going to be focused on running the ball. They've got Solari on the offensive line. They signed D.J. Fluker. And part of my heads up is I don't think Carson will be the starting running back.
Starting point is 00:57:23 We generally believe they're going to draft a future running back in the next few weeks. How that will impact Wilson, you know, being the number one fantasy quarterback, could go both ways. I mean, it could make him more productive if he has a viable round game. It may lead to fewer pass attempts because there's going to be a lot of running in Seattle next year. I think he's 100% right about what they would like to do offensively.
Starting point is 00:57:49 Whether they're able to do that offensively, though, remains to be seen, because they've tried to bring back their running game since letting go of Marshawn Lynch. But the bigger thing for me is that defense is not going to be the same. And so if they're not able to stifle opponents like we're used to seeing, the reason I like Russell Wilson, Doug Baldwin, you know, we'll see if there's a second receiver that emerges, Tyler Lockett, you know, whoever else they may, you know, try and bring in as their third guy. I just think you're gonna see Russell Wilson have to carry this team more so than he's done in the past. So I don't expect
Starting point is 00:58:20 them to be playing with as many leads as we've seen. I think they're going to be chasing points. So that doesn't necessarily lend itself to running the ball with a ton of success. I don't expect them to be playing with as many leads as we've seen. I think they're going to be chasing points. So that doesn't necessarily lend itself to running the ball with a ton of success. I hope they do because I like Chris Carson, and we'll see if they add somebody else to that backfield, which would make sense. But Russell Wilson, to me, is going to have one of his best years, if not the best year, in 2018. The bigger problem I see for Seattle is that they have two picks in the top four rounds.
Starting point is 00:58:44 They have a first-round pick. They have no picks in round two. They have no picks in round three. And they have two picks in the top four rounds. They have a first-round pick. They have no picks in round two. They have no picks in round three. Right now. And they have one pick in round four. Well, unless they start trading players away for picks. Or trade down. They're going to have to start trading down a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:55 That'll help. But I really want to see them address their offensive line. All right. That's going to do it for today's show. Good show. Good show, guys. Thank you. Good stuff.
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Starting point is 00:59:15 For Dave, for Jamie, I'm Adam. And we'll catch you, I think on Wednesday, we're going to do a live mock draft. So we'll catch you then. That's the plan.
Starting point is 00:59:22 Talk to you later. Bye. It's alright. I've got Le'Veon. It's the plan. Talk to you later. Bye. It's all right. I've got Le'Veon. It's all right. Not George Le'Veon. It's all right.
Starting point is 00:59:33 I've got Le'Veon Bell.

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