Fantasy Football Today - 04/22: Early Sleepers/Breakouts/Busts; Quick NFL Draft Talk (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 23, 2019

Which players have the most at stake as we approach the NFL Draft (5:30)? We're looking at a lot of teams that could add a RB or some help along the OL ... Discussing Jamey's early sleepers (18:00), b...reakouts (25:25) and busts (31:40). Find out why Dalvin Cook and Vance McDonald could be in for nice seasons while Allen Robinson's industry ranking is a bit puzzling ... Adam ends the show with a Game of Thrones rant that Jamey disagrees with (54:30). You decide who is right! ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome to the show.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Tuesday, April 23rd, Adam, Dave, and Jamie here. We did some emails later at fantasy football at cbsi.com we're going to talk about the nfl draft but we've we really talked a lot about the draft so i want to get to some of jamie's sleepers breakouts and busts before everything goes haywire uh with the draft on thursday i'm really excited i think this is a very intriguing draft i wish there were i wish there were a little bit more uncertainty with the number one pick. Feels like it's going to be Kyler Murray. But, hey.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Why? No, there's a ton of uncertainty. I don't know. It seems like most people, and I'll get my water bottle, it's Everby Prisco. No, there was a mock draft done by, I think, 32 writers in the NFL and the LA Times. And Ken Summers, who covers Cardinals in Arizona,
Starting point is 00:01:08 did not take Kyler Murray. There is a very strong consensus of NFL people that do not think Kyler Murray is going number one. A lot of people think Kyler Murray is going number one. Now, the Cardinals can obviously trade out of number one still, and Murray can go number one. Right. So I guess there's... Or they could trade out of number one still, and Murray can go number one. Right. So I guess there's—
Starting point is 00:01:26 Or they could trade out of number one and still take Murray. Like what if they trade with the Raiders? If they trade out of one, I doubt they're taking Murray because unless—I guess that's certainly a possibility, but I don't think it's a slam dunk that Kyler Murray is number one. I hope not because I think there's a lot of intrigue in this draft. I'm really excited for it. Very much looking forward to it.
Starting point is 00:01:48 If you probably polled most scouts, NFL scouts, they would tell you that Josh Rosen would be the number one quarterback prospect going into this draft if he was in this class. So it's so weird. If you just take it on its surface that the Cardinals traded up last year to get Rosen, how does that make their front office staff look that they've had to do this two years in a row? Yeah, I just think that you get – you don't care.
Starting point is 00:02:14 You shouldn't care about the optics. If you have to waste two picks to get one franchise quarterback, so be it. I agree. Do what you got to do. This is also the same front office that fired a coach and his coaching staff after one year. Right, right. So if the new coach thinks that they can win with Kyler Murray, then they've got to do it.
Starting point is 00:02:32 We're going off of a thing that he said two years ago. No, what kind of an offense is Kingsborough going to deploy? Is it going to be exactly what he did in college, or is it going to be something that's fine-tuned for the NFL? If it's fine-tuned for the NFL, I think Rosen can do it. If it's going to be strictly the spread with lots of running from the quarterback, Kyler Murray is the fit. Yeah, well, the defensive guys I'm interested in, too.
Starting point is 00:02:58 I really want to see where Ed Oliver ends up. He's a really intriguing prospect. Nobody seems to know who the second quarterback off the board is. People are really split on Daniel Jones. And then I think DK Metcalf is a mind-blowing prospect. Just so different than anything we've seen before.
Starting point is 00:03:16 So let's get it going here. And we're going to talk about the NFL, the fantasy angle of players who could be affected most by the NFL draft. You know, like if the Falcons draft a running back, it would obviously affect Devontae Freeman, that kind of stuff. I want to read an email real quick.
Starting point is 00:03:34 It's from John from Columbus, Ohio. It's our email of the day. Dear Curtis, Michael, Devin, and Braxton. Those are Buckeyes. They are. I have not heard anything on the podcast, but are you guys doing the thing where your audience picks their top ten in the NFL draft and the most correct receives a spot in your podcast league?
Starting point is 00:03:54 What do you think? Well, Adam. Of course. I'm such an idiot. I completely forgot about it, and I'm really sorry. I like to give a few weeks' notice, I guess. But really, you're best doing it as close to the draft as you can. Don't rush to get them in.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Get as much information as you can. And yes, there we go. The contest is on. What? Don't rush to get them in. Well, I mean, in the past, I've mentioned the contest. People send them in the next day, and it's still like a week to go before the draft. I just hope everybody hears this before the draft starts so yes there's this is the contest
Starting point is 00:04:29 we do it now this will be the third or fourth year you will send me your top 10 picks i do not care which team they go to they have to be in order not just like the first 10 players selected but one kyler murray to nick bosa Whatever you think it's going to be. And however many you get right. And the order matters. You have to get the sixth pick right. Usually six might get you into the league. However many you get right, if you have the most, you have a spot in the podcast league.
Starting point is 00:05:00 If there's a tie, I will randomly break the tie. And I will tell you after on our Monday show, I'll probably tell you the next step because I'm not going to go back and count and read all of them. I'm going to let you do that. And if you have, let's say, like five or more, you can email me again and say, hey, check out my entry. I got this many. But we'll deal with that. The email is fantasy football at CBS. CBS.com fantasy football at CBS.com. Fantasyfootball at cbsi.com.
Starting point is 00:05:26 That's the letter I. And please put NFL Draft Contest in there, something like that. And good luck to you. Give me the top ten picks in order the way you think it will go. All right. Players who could be affected most by the NFL Draft. What do we got, Dave? What do you think?
Starting point is 00:05:44 I mean, you could start in Arizona with Josh Rosen. I think any team that's got a quarterback need, obviously you can have a quarterback that could come in and take over any point between week one and week eight or so of the season. I think there are a lot of teams that could add
Starting point is 00:06:02 a running back. We're going to be excited about the running back that ends up in Oakland, running back who ends up in Tampa Bay, maybe the running back who ends up in Miami, maybe we'll be kind of excited about that rookie, depending on who it is. But there are a lot of teams that have established running backs that can add another one that could really make us sad.
Starting point is 00:06:24 Here's how I put it to Adam. Teams that might add a running back and muck stuff up. Here's the list. Falcons, Ravens, Bills, and yes, even after signing T.J. Yeldon. Carolina, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Indy, Jacksonville, Kansas City could be a real mucker. Los Angeles with the Rams, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Tennessee could move on from Deion Lewis, and Washington, if they want to get a young running back with healthy knees, this could be the time for them to do it.
Starting point is 00:07:01 And I'm not talking about a first-round pick running back. I'm talking about any running back they draft. This is an intriguing draft class of running backs. A lot of guys who can come in right away and be complementary backs, part-timers to help out a team in 2019 and maybe grow into a starter's role as the years go by. You mentioned 15 teams. That's almost half the league, and you're right.
Starting point is 00:07:26 The ones, I guess, that really stand out to me would be Marlon Mack in Indianapolis because he has not shown to be so durable. And Mack had five games in the regular season with double-digit fantasy points at non-PPR, and those were his only five games with more than 15 carries. So when he had a huge workload, he was great. When he didn't have a huge workload, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:53 sometimes there were some tough matchups, Tennessee, Jacksonville, that kind of stuff, but he wasn't that involved in the passing game. So if they bring in a complimentary back and they have Naeem Hines, yeah, I could see that being a problem. Really, we haven't really talked about Marlon Mack, but so far through free agency, he has been a huge winner. They haven't done anything. Yeah, I'd actually be surprised if they did. Again, they spent two picks
Starting point is 00:08:12 on backs last year with their fourth and fifth round picks, so I don't know necessarily they're going to go that route. Now, they did bring in Jay Ajayi for a free agent visit. I could see them signing a veteran guy once they get past June, but I'd be surprised if they drafted somebody because they do have a lot of other needs on defense.
Starting point is 00:08:28 And then I'd say Baltimore too, Dave. You mentioned them. I feel like Mark Ingram is going to be the first and second down back, but will they draft a pass catcher? Will that keep Ingram off the field in those situations? I'm wondering if they're going to find somebody to knock Kenneth Dixon off the roster. Yeah, again, I don wondering if they're going to find somebody to knock Kenneth Dixon off the roster.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Yeah, again, I don't think they go that route either just because of what they need at the receiver spot. That's a team that's got to fill that position in a big, big way. They have two third-round picks and two fourth-round picks, the Ravens. And that could be a sweet spot for running backs, those two third-round picks. They have one first-round pick. I don't believe they have a second-round pick. The Ravens. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:08 What else are we looking at? I think Geronimo Allison should be on alert. The Packers have two first-round picks. Maybe use one of them on a wide receiver. A lot of mocks are going to have the Packers taking a tight end. It makes so much more sense. Well, then Jimmy
Starting point is 00:09:23 Graham would be on alert. Yeah, I think that's definite. I don't see them going receiver after they spent three picks on receivers last year. Graham was a cap casualty candidate, if I recall correctly. I didn't include him. And I believe he still is. I think they can move on from him and not take much of a hit on their salary cap. I didn't include him because I don't know. Did he even get drafted in our latest draft?
Starting point is 00:09:46 Does anybody want Jimmy Graham at this point? No. I think the only people that will take Jimmy Graham are the people who think that he's got a nice matchup against Chicago in week one. Yeah, which he probably doesn't. I don't know that I, from a rookie perspective, forget long term,
Starting point is 00:10:02 but I don't know that I'd want Hawkinson or Fant going to Green Bay because unless they cut Graham, but he's still there, you know. I don't know. I'd take Fant there in a heartbeat. I would take either guy. What I'm saying, it'd be smart for Green Bay, but from a fantasy perspective, I think Graham would be a hindrance to them in year one. If he's still there. If he's still there.
Starting point is 00:10:26 If he's still there. I think if they're taking Hocker with a first-round pick, Graham won't be there. Jamie, do you have any guys that come to mind that could be affected? We've only really talked about negatively. Well, yeah. How about positively? Who could get a boost?
Starting point is 00:10:41 Well, I think any of the quarterbacks that get receiving help. That's a first. You know, I mean, if you have, again, the Ravens are certainly going to invest in receiver. I would be surprised if the Patriots didn't, whether it's tight end or wide receiver, add a weapon with what they've lost. You look at Tennessee, that's a team that can go tight end or wide receiver depending on Delaney Walker's health. Again, you know, if Aaron Rodgers gets another target to throw to, that would help things. But any running back that's going to a team not Tampa Bay and Oakland,
Starting point is 00:11:15 that's going to be a little bit messy. They're going to obviously have teams that add those guys. Houston's going to probably be in the market for a running back if they're so inclined to. They probably should. I'd be very shocked if Kansas City didn't take somebody because I don't think Damian Williams is the answer, certainly not long-term, and obviously Carlos Hyde is not either.
Starting point is 00:11:37 I think that the Vikings seem like a pretty good bet to take an offensive lineman with their first pick. Their offensive line was really bad last year pro football focus had them 30th and pass blocking and 24th and run blocking so you know we haven't really talked much about the offensive lineman in this class but we saw what it did for uh for the colts last year complete game changer now the colts ended up with what the fifth or sixth pick when they traded down with the Jets. I think they had the sixth pick, and they took an all-pro guard. But, yeah, I think the Vikings certainly could upgrade there,
Starting point is 00:12:10 and maybe that helps Dalvin Cook and Kirk Cousins. Sure. If the Jaguars go with Jawan Taylor, which is—you see a lot of mocks having that happen. That helps that offense. They can go with any of the tackles that are in this draft. They'd all be improvements over what they have. Houston maybe taking Jonah Williams? Yes.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Please. Be nice. Right. So we could come back on Friday, our next show, and talk about, hey, good stuff for Lamar Miller. They got an offensive lineman. And then on Monday, our second show, well, they drafted a running back at the second or the third round.
Starting point is 00:12:43 So I don't know exactly what their picks are. But, you know, the Texans are definitely a candidate to draft a running back. I will tell you what their picks are. Yes, they have two second-round picks and a third-round pick. Okay, if anything else, let me know. Just should mention that the Bears only have five picks, none in the first two rounds. So that's a team that might not be taking a running back. So that might be good for Mike Davis and Tariq Cohen.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Only five picks. Not a lot of luxury there to spend on a position like running back. Okay. Oh, we should probably mention Arizona's wide receivers should stand to benefit from Kyler Murray because you cannot possibly get worse than what they did last year. 158 passing yards per game.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Terrible, terrible number. Hey! Alright. That's our segment. I think they benefit even if Rosen stays. Just because he'll be better? And a better system. Yes. Sure. Okay. Sure. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Let's talk about CBS Sports HQ. It's, well, first of all, covering the draft. Jamie will be there. Jamie will be one of many people. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, live coverage of the draft. Make sure you check it out. Download the CBS Sports app on your Amazon Fire, on your Roku, on your Apple TV, on any connected device. It's really great. If you miss old school sports coverage, you know, when we grew up, we watched sports highlights all the time.
Starting point is 00:14:17 And we didn't have those fake debates and the politics and all that, the stuff that we can't stand anymore. Yeah, please take a look at HQ. It's a throwback. It's sports coverage the way you remember it. It's sports coverage the way that real sports fans, like the ones that listen to our show, love sports coverage. So CBS Sports HQ is headed to Nashville for the NFL draft all three days. They're going to be in Music City with all the coverage.
Starting point is 00:14:41 So here are some of the people you're going to see. Pete Prisco. I've got to get my water. Pete Prisco, Danny Cannell, Brady Quinn, Jason Lockenforer, Ryan Wilson, Brian McFadden, Jamie Eisenberg, and more. And there's fantasy content on CBS Sports HQ. You don't have to pay anything. No expensive cable package is necessary. It's all free.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Remember, download the CBS Sports app on your phone, your Roku, Fire TV, Apple TV, whatever it is, start watching today. And if you're in Nashville and you want to come by and say hi, we'll be at a bar called The Raw Dog. Oh, fun. I can't give any
Starting point is 00:15:17 details because I don't have anything, and they're not finalized. But I do believe at least once this summer, there will be some sort of fantasy football today live event. I don't know where. I don't know who, what, when, where, why. But listeners, get excited. We're coming to meet you.
Starting point is 00:15:37 News and notes. Mississippi State defensive end Montez Sweat has an enlarged heart. He's a big-time pass-rushing prospect. We'll see what happens with him. Teams are concerned about Bryce Love's knee. According to NFL Network, he's a Stanford running back. Speedy little guy, but has some knee issues. The Bills
Starting point is 00:15:55 signed TJ Yeldon. Does that mean anything to you guys? Yeah, it makes another messy backfield. You think he plays a role? I think he'll play on some passing down situations, sure. Okay. Atlanta signed defensive tackle Grady Jarrett to a one-year deal worth $15.2 million. And we're hoping to see Travis Frederick, Dallas center, back on the field this year. He says he feels good.
Starting point is 00:16:18 He does not know how his body will respond to contact. They obviously ran the ball well without him last year. Hey, you see Zeke? Looking a little, uh, that physique. Not looking so good, right? Physique. Looking a little overweight. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:35 He didn't look too bad in that little video. It was an unflattering picture of him, of Ezekiel Elliott. And then he posted a video on social media showing himself weighing in at like 230. Yeah, he's a big dude. Yeah, still worth an early round draft pick. Yeah, I'd say so.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Maybe the first round. Maybe first overall. Maybe. Alright, let's take a look at some of Jamie's sleepers, breakouts, and busts. The stories are up on CBSSports.com. And then we'll finish with some emails at FantasyFootball at CBSi.com. First, we're going to take a quick break on fantasy football today. Come right back after this.
Starting point is 00:17:14 Kick off an exciting football season with BetMGM, an official sportsbook partner of the National Football League. Yard after yard, down after down, the sportsbook Born in Vegas gives you the chance to take action to the end zone and celebrate every highlight reel play. And as an official sportsbook partner of the NFL, BetMGM is the best place to fuel your football fandom on every game day.
Starting point is 00:17:39 With a variety of exciting features, BetMGM offers you plenty of seamless ways to jump straight onto the gridiron and to embrace peak sports action. Ready for another season of gridiron glory?
Starting point is 00:17:51 What are you waiting for? Get off the bench, into the huddle, and head for the end zone all season long. Visit BetMGM.com for terms and conditions. Must be 19 years of age
Starting point is 00:18:01 or older. Ontario only. Please gamble responsibly. Gambling problem? For free assistance, call the Connex Ontario helpline at Must be 19 years of age or older. Ontario only. Please gamble responsibly. Gambling problem? For free assistance, call the Connex Ontario helpline at 1-866-531-2600. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. I got two sleepers, two breakouts, two busts.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Christian Kirk is a sleeper. And yes, the offense should certainly get better. The passing offense should certainly get better. Vance McDonald is the other sleeper I want to talk about. But Jamie, what do you want to say about Christian Kirk, who had 43 catches for 490 yards and three touchdowns on 68 targets in 12 games last year? He missed four games with a fractured foot. Christian Kirk. Well, first off, hopefully he stays healthy. This is a receiving core clearly that needs help. We'll see what they do in terms of adding somebody there. I think they probably will. The rest of their receiving core is not very exciting behind him
Starting point is 00:18:54 when you're talking about Kevin White being the third receiver most likely. So with an aging Larry Fitzgerald and an offense that has the chance to be certainly more explosive no matter who the quarterback is, I think Kingsbury realizes what christian kirk brings the table um it's just you know target should be there for him you're going to get a guy uh probably in the round eight range i'll check to see where he went in our latest drafts unless you have it right there adam um but he's somebody that has number three receiver upside with the chance to maybe crack the top 30 if not more um i i just like the uh the opportunity for him in this offense based on what he showed last year in a small sample size
Starting point is 00:19:31 how about that sample size he was a better he had better production as an outside receiver versus in the slot now obviously he didn't play in the slot that much larry fitzgerald that was his job in arizona and i i thought coming into the draft that Kirk was going to be a ready-made slot type of receiver. He played on the outside and he did better on the outside. All of his metrics, his averages were better there than they were when he did play in the slot. I agree. I think you can
Starting point is 00:19:56 draft him to be a number three receiver and in PPR, maybe he's got a shot to make that top 24 by the end of the year. In our non-PPR draft, he went in round nine. That's awesome. And in our PPR draft. He went in round eight in our PPR draft.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Christian Kirk went 91st overall. Take a look at this run on receiver. Larry Fitzgerald, 88th. Curtis Samuel, 89th. We already talked to Matt Coca about that. Christian Kirk, 91st. Doug Baldwin, 93rd. Golden Tate, 94th.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Sterling Shepard, 96th. So this is PPR. Two Cardinals, two Giants. Curtis Samuel and Doug Baldwin all going in round eight. In the non-PPR one, it was Dave took him in round nine. And it was after
Starting point is 00:20:44 Sterling Shepard, after Geronimo Allison, after Curtis, after Cortlandson, excuse me. And then before DK Metcalf, Larry Fitzgerald, Deshaun Jackson, and D.D. Westbrook were the receivers that went after him. And I'll tell you what. I think I agree Arizona needs to add another receiver on draft day. And it won't slow me down that much on Christian Kirk. Maybe it hurts the upside for him to be in the top 24. It depends on the type of receiver that they add. But as of now, he's in a great spot to play plenty in this offense
Starting point is 00:21:20 that should put the ball in the air quite a bit. The defense is going to allow plenty of points. And, yeah, Christian Kirk, good sleeper. Well, let's figure out where you like him with some of those guys. Christian Kirk or Larry Fitzgerald? I'll take Fitzgerald in PPR, but it's close. I just think Fitzgerald's going to catch more passes because he will just get more targets.
Starting point is 00:21:41 But Kirk has a chance to score more touchdowns. Okay, Christian Kirk or Doug Baldwin? Kirk. Kirk. I don't want Doug Baldwin. I took him at 93 overall. I don't really want him, but I want him at 93. Christian Kirk or Golden Tate?
Starting point is 00:21:57 Kirk. I actually have Kirk higher, but that's one that will change if Arizona adds a high-volume type of receiver. Okay. All right, Vance McDonald is a snoozer, a sleeper, just like Episode 2 of Game of Thrones. Vance McDonald is a sleeper for Jamie entering his seventh season. And, yeah, opportunity for Pittsburgh. Big opportunity.
Starting point is 00:22:22 I think this is a team that could certainly take a tight end as well if they have the opportunity to get one of the top four guys, but I don't think that that would preclude them from taking a guy like Kahlil Waring. I think I'm pronouncing his name correctly. But if he stays as the starting tight end, it's just targets. And Roethlisberger's history has shown you that he likes to lean on his tight ends um mcdonald had some good moments last year but you're taking not only antonio brown's targets off the field but you're also taking jesse james targets off the field and so unless they bring in somebody at that spot um you don't have to draft him as a
Starting point is 00:22:59 starter i think he's one of those guys you could take as a number two tight end but i do think he could finish in the top 12 he'll feel he'll he'll He'll end up playing if he is the guy they're like, kind of like what Austin Hooper did last year. Not a huge elite level type of guy, but a solid, consistent producer, again, if he in fact stays in that role. That's actually the guy I was going to ask you to compare McDonald to. McDonald or Hooper? Hooper.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Hooper. Hooper. Hooper was 7th in non-PPR and 6th in PPR last year. Which is just pathetic. But it's by default. He caught a lot of passes. He was 7th in non-PPR, huh? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:40 He had like 4 touchdowns and 600 some odd yards. 71 catches, which was a lot. I think it was the fourth most. 660 yards and four touchdowns. That pathetic year. Not pathetic. That underwhelming year made him 7th in non-PPR, 6th in PPR, Austin Hooper. So unless the Steelers' offense changes dramatically or they add just a ton of weapons,
Starting point is 00:24:02 you're talking about this is what they lost in just the two guys alone and antonio brown and jesse james 207 targets 134 catches 1720 yards and 17 touchdowns now it has it has to go somewhere not all of it's going to be made up clearly oh right that's a thing it's not but it has to go somewhere now juju i don't think it's taking a dramatic leap because he already led them in targets and receptions those touchdowns should go up is it james washington d Moncrief, and whoever else they bring in combining for all of that? Or could a guy who has been there now for two-plus seasons or one-plus season, I think they got him at the end of 2017 if I'm not mistaken,
Starting point is 00:24:38 does he have the chance to, if he stays healthy, be a playmaker for them? And I think the answer is yes. The best part about it is that it's a late-round pick. You'll start him week one against New England, and if you like him, great, you keep him, and if not, then you trade him off the waivers or trade him
Starting point is 00:24:55 to somebody on waivers. You're not literally trading him. Yeah, you swap him out. You're swapping him out for a different player on waivers, whoever the hot tight end is from week one. He's a good tight end to begin the season streaming with. Would you like to know how the Steelers' tight ends did in the last six games they played without Antonio Brown?
Starting point is 00:25:16 Sure. Not very well. One of them, Brown got hurt early, the game against the Patriots. I included that. No tight end had more than 52 yards. No tight end caught a touchdown except Jesse James pretty much caught a touchdown. It was ruled
Starting point is 00:25:31 not a catch and then they changed the catch rule. Do have to mention though, in those six games, that's over the last three years, Landry Jones started two of those six games. Alright, those are sleepers. Again, the full list is ready there on the website. Christian Kirk of Vance McDonald.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Breakouts, Dalvin Cook and Leonard Fournette. I'm going to throw it to Dave. Do you have any disagreement here with Dalvin Cook and Leonard Fournette being mentioned as breakouts? No, I understand why they're being mentioned as breakouts. I'm nervous about both, but the nervous level is higher on Fournette than it is for Dalvin Cook. I just don't know how much leash Fournette has with this front office and coaching staff. How much more BS are they going to put up with? And how long can he stay healthy for? Health
Starting point is 00:26:19 is going to be a topic for both of these guys. But at with dalvin cook we know that when he's healthy he is the guy mike zimmer wants to run the football with him we saw him play well toward the end of last season and he's gone all off season i don't think he had any issues this off season i'm sure he's been rehabbing and we're not rehabbing no dalvin last year he's coming off of a torn acl so that was when he was rehabbing now he's just you just improving his game as much as he can and being in tip-top shape, ready to lead this Minnesota offense. As crazy as that sounds, because they've got so many other great components on the team. But this is where the power lies in Minnesota. They want Dalvin Cook to be a big factor.
Starting point is 00:27:04 So I could see him having his best year yet. That would qualify him as a breakout. Fournette, I'm more nervous on. Yeah, I was surprised that you put Fournette on there, Jamie, just because of the issues. They have a crotchety old man in their front office who really, I think, made really inappropriate comments about the voluntary workouts.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Obviously, Fournette is potentially not in good graces. He seems to slip up a lot. I did write this before the traffic violation. The latest transgression. At the time when I wrote this, he was off in Wyoming
Starting point is 00:27:44 which doing his training with somebody apparently he's worked out with. I bet he was speeding. I still expect him to be the guy in this backfield, and I expect him to have a better offensive line after losing three-fifths of their guys last year, improve quarterback play. If he comes in in shape and stays healthy, we've seen what he's been able to do when he's on the field.
Starting point is 00:28:08 He's an underrated pass catcher. He'll get you volume. He'll work at the goal line. Yeah. He needs the touchdowns. I guess I could see Fournette being kind of like Melvin Gordon, who had a pretty lousy yards per carry, or at least pretty pedestrian yards per carry in his first three seasons.
Starting point is 00:28:28 But we always felt like he was better than that. And if you just look at Fournette's yards per carry, 3.3 in 2018 and 3.9 in 2017. But he scores so many touchdowns, and they really force-feed him the ball. You feel like they're going to force-feed him the ball again? Oh, of course. I mean, look what the strength of this team is. What's the receiving core? I have good news, by the way.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Well, this article is from 2014. Motorists will soon be able to legally drive up to 80 miles per hour on nearly 500 miles of rural rural interstate highway in wyoming i had i thought that's why he went to wyoming i had i thought i knew that wyoming had like really high speed limits and i'm pretty sure they do i don't know why you've cracked the case yeah i actually think that there's like a daytime there is no speed limit during the day in montana I think I read once. You can go as fast as you want as long as you're not near other cars.
Starting point is 00:29:29 You've got to be respectful of other drivers, but if you're alone on a long strip, knock yourself out. If I'm wrong, then I don't know. Don't take my advice and go driving through Montana. The one problem that I've got with Jacksonville loading up on Leonard Fournette, there's definitely going to be games where they're going to try and do that. But they brought in Nick Foles now. They've got a solution to their passing game. And their new offensive coordinator is the guy who got fired
Starting point is 00:29:52 for not running Dalvin Cook enough. So, yes, they probably would prefer to be conservative and win games with the run and defense. But now if Doug Marone feels like speeding a little bit in this card, didn't he tell a story at his latest press conference about getting arrested for speeding while he was a scout? Am I just making that up? I don't know. I don't think I'm making that up.
Starting point is 00:30:14 I think that actually happened. But were you being sarcastic? He's a criminal. When you said, you're talking about Doug Marone, were you being sarcastic when you said that they found the solution to their problems, that it's Nick Foles? Well, he's better than the solution that they had, which is Blake Bortles, because they couldn't trust Bortles. They're going to trust Nick Foles, at least at the beginning of the season,
Starting point is 00:30:33 until Foles turns into a pumpkin, and they're going to add another receiver in the draft, but I'm sure they're going to want to unleash DJ Chark-do-do-do-do-do. And DeeDee Westbrook is one of my sleepers this year. I think he's got great potential. So they don't have to rely on Fournette, but in theory or on paper, whatever you want to say, he should be the genesis of their offense. Yes.
Starting point is 00:30:58 But it doesn't mean that he's their only guy, their only choice. Right. their only guy that their only choice right they can they can definitely lean on foals more than they did on them on Bortles and now this is a team that has two third round picks first second and two third round picks then four six and seven and if the Jaguars take a running back with one of their not won't be a first round pick I probably won't be a second round pick but one of their, it won't be a first round pick, it probably won't be a second round pick, but one of their third round picks, that would be pretty interesting to me. They should. And I think it should serve as
Starting point is 00:31:31 some notice to Leonard Fournette, maybe light a fire under him. Dalvin Cook, by the way, had four games all year with more than 11 carries, and he was really good in those games. He averaged 4.6 yards per carry if you remove the two games he played against the Bears. He averaged 5 yards per carry on the season. He averaged 4.6 yards per carry if you remove the two games he played against the Bears. He averaged 5 yards per carry on the season.
Starting point is 00:31:48 He's very good. The busts. Two wide receivers whose names start with A. Allen Robinson and Adam Thielen. On different scales, I'm sure because I know you like Thielen better than Robinson. Let's start with Robinson and
Starting point is 00:32:03 why you have him as a bust. So the bust, I used Fantasy Pro's rankings to kind of get a consensus of where some people are being ranked. And I was surprised that Robinson is being ranked as a top 24 receiver, given what he showed us last year, which was another year of injuries and inconsistent play. And it feels like with a player like him, now he could obviously have another season like that, but we're chasing that 2015 campaign constantly. Or 2016.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Or both. Well, I think whatever the year after the breakout season was is probably the player who he is. So I'm trying to find him on Fantasy Pros. I have a really crappy computer. Just in the consensus rankings. It's probably the player who he is. So I'm trying to find him on Fantasy Pros. I have a really crappy computer just in the consensus rankings. Okay, I'm seeing Corey Davis at 25. DJ Moore is 24.
Starting point is 00:32:56 Oh, wide receiver 22. So he's going, okay, this can't be real. He's going before. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how accurate it is. No, that's not what I was going to say is he's going before Julian Edelman? Are you kidding me? And Julian Edelman is 23rd in the consensus rankings? Are you kidding me?
Starting point is 00:33:15 And this is usually PPR, right? You can sort it either way. Oh, it's standard scoring. Okay, I'm sorry. All right, so let me sort by PPR then and see the consensus rankings. Still, that's low for Edelman. While you're doing that, the year that Jamie's talking about was 2015. He had 1,400 yards and 14 touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Thank you, Blake Bortles, garbage time quarterback. 2016, on the same amount of targets, 73 catches, 883 yards, and six touchdowns. And I think the argument is he's somewhere between there and what he was last year, 55 catches, 754 yards, four touchdowns. The Bears are going to spread the ball around like crazy. It's not that bad of a pace, 55, 754, and four in 13 games, really the yards. But are you drafting that as a top 24 wide receiver? No, no. Are you drafting that as a top 30 wide receiver?
Starting point is 00:34:10 He's an okay number three receiver, but that's the extent of it. And let me tell you in PPR, Edelman is 19th in PPR. Doesn't that feel low? Yes. Really low. Then Cooper Cup is 20th, and then Allen Robinson is 21st. Now, this is a consensus. There are people that could have Allen Robinson ranked 10th, for all we know.
Starting point is 00:34:33 And look, if he does have that type of season again, I don't see their offense changing very much. So I think you're going to get still lean on the run, despite losing Jordan Howard. Still spread the ball around to the targets. Anthony Miller should be better in the second season. I hope Trey Burton's better in his second year in Chicago. They're getting Adam Shekin back. That's another mouth they have to feed a little bit. Okay, can I just say that Julian Edelman is a sleeper.
Starting point is 00:34:58 If he's the 19th wide receiver off the board, I really don't see how he's not the top 12 wide receiver in PPR. I just... I'm sorry. Unless he gets hurt. Am I crazy? No, Edelman should be great. Do you guys have Edelman top 12?
Starting point is 00:35:17 He's 13th for me right now. 13th? I'm 16 in PPR. Jamie, you're way too low on him. Terrible. And Adam Thielen. Why is Adam Thielen a bust? I think, you know, you look at the three-game sample size when they changed coordinator going to Kevin Stefanski. Targets came down for a little bit.
Starting point is 00:35:34 But I think it's also just, you know, you're looking at it, and hopefully he's still great. I just think you're going to get a little bit of unrealistic expectations for him once again. It's almost like the Allen Robinson concept. He's not going to be as good as he was in his career year. Thielen had a career year last year. He's been very good.
Starting point is 00:35:54 I think he'll be very good again. I just don't. He was, I think, ranked in the top 15 maybe. At wide receiver? Yeah. I forget what it was. I don't know. In PPR, I might be okay with that.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Wide receiver 14 in PPR. Yep. I don't think he's too far off from that in PPR because I still think the targets will be there. I don't know if it's going to be nine per game. I'm sure he'll have some games with nine or ten and some games with six or seven, but I still think he's a candidate for five catches a game minimum.
Starting point is 00:36:22 It's the touchdowns. He had nine scores last year career high 100 1373 yards i'd see that i could still see him getting a thousand yards and six touchdowns with 85 catches i guess the thing will be is that we'll find out was the downturn in targets when the coordinator change happened a result of him being hurt? Right. Or as a result of them just not leaning on him to the same extent? It wasn't necessarily not leaning on him, right?
Starting point is 00:36:52 It was just running the ball more? Well, if you look at it over those three games, it was he had 12 targets in three games, which is just a huge downturn for what he was the first 13 games of the season. 10 catches, 137 yards, no touchdowns. In those same three games, Stephon Diggs had 23 targets, so 13 more for him, or excuse me, 11 more for him. 14 catches, 107 yards, and three touchdowns. And Kyle Rudolph had 17 targets, so he was ahead of Thielen as well.
Starting point is 00:37:23 16 catches, 164 yards, and two touchdowns. Now you know they want to run the ball. Gary Kubiak coming in, he's a guy that likes to use his tight ends as well. It's just a matter of will Thielen be as productive as where he was at his pinnacle last season. Yeah, I just don't disagree. I concern myself that I completely doubted him last year and looked foolish. Because he came up, like 2017, Adam Thielen had 91 catches for 1,276 yards
Starting point is 00:37:55 and only four touchdowns. But, I mean, that's amazing. He's had two straight years with 1,276 yards or more. So I don't want to necessarily doubt him. When would you feel comfortable taking him? Round four. He's going to go round three. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:12 So would you take Edelman over Thielen? Yes. Dave? I currently have both Vikings receivers ranked ahead of Edelman because I don't know if I'm buying into to Minnesota being able to stick with what Mike Zimmer wants there's going to be games where they're going to have to play from behind they're going to have to put the ball in the air so it's funny you say that because I asked Dylan about his numbers last year at the Pro Bowl
Starting point is 00:38:37 and he said we got into too many games where we were chasing points I just don't think that's the identity they want to be I don't think anybody wants to be that identity. Sure, but they have the defense to do it and a system in place that they don't have to do it. It's kind of why I like Dalvin Cook as much as I do because I think that's kind of what their identity is going to be. And then when they do get into those situations, is it going to be all feeling?
Starting point is 00:38:57 Like in the Patriots situation, it's kind of hard not to think it's going to be all element because that's all they have. Alright guys, those are some sleepers breakouts and busts. We will read some emails about Kind of hard not to think it's going to be all Edelman because that's all they have. Yeah. All right, guys. Those are some sleepers, breakouts, and busts. We will read some emails about Patrick Mahamas when we come back on Fantasy Football today. Yes, I'll explain what the hell I'm talking about. We'll be right back.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Did you know 66% of utility damage is caused by not requesting a locate? Don't let your project become part of this statistic a quick locate request can save you from unexpected downtime financial penalties and keep you safe don't let avoidable damage cost you time and money click before you dig ensure your next project is safe visit ontarioonecall.ca it's free it's easy it's law. Data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. Okay, here's an email. And it is from Roy W. What does Adam have against Patrick Mahamas?
Starting point is 00:39:55 I listen every day that you guys are on. I have Mahamas in a keeper league where I get to keep four players from last year. I have to keep three, but I lose my first-round pick if I keep a fourth. The league is not PPR. Tight ends get a point for every catch after five catches. I won the championship last year. I would like to repeat. I honestly think that it won't happen unless I keep Mahamas.
Starting point is 00:40:16 The players I have to choose from are James Conner, Devontae Adams, Odell Beckham, Travis Kelsey, and Mahamas. I also have Damian Williams who's last on the list. This is not an experts league and I truly believe that if I drop Mahamas, he'll be drafted with the first pick overall. I could be wrong but do I take the chance? And Adam,
Starting point is 00:40:36 stop the hate on Mahamas. Yeah, so Roy, like, I'm just joking with you. I don't take offense to this email at all. I think it's funny, but you did spell Mahomes wrong every single time. There's only one M-A-H-O-M-E-S, but that's cool. He could be Patrick Mahomes for this email.
Starting point is 00:40:57 I don't hate Patrick Mahomes at all. He might be my favorite player in football. I value stud running backs and wide receivers ahead of him, and if you are keeping three players um there are four guys you should keep connor adams beckham and kelsey ahead of patrick mahomes or muhammad and i don't think anyone on this podcast is going to agree with is going to disagree with that no i guess the only question would be is does he say where he's drafting no i don't have that info. Throw him back. Yeah, I mean... And let somebody else take him with the first overall pick.
Starting point is 00:41:31 Because it's too soon. If there's four keepers, it's not a bad first overall pick. It is when you've got Conor, Devontae, Beckham, and Kelsey. In his situation, he should not keep him over those guys. For somebody else that's drafting, that has three keepers or four keepers? If you keep a fourth player, you lose your first round pick.
Starting point is 00:41:51 There's no penalty for the first three. That's what I got from Roy's email. And he's keeping four? He should keep four. Right, so if you keep four, Roy, and you keep Conor, Adams, Beckham, and Kelsey, then you could certainly take Mahomes if he's available with your first pick. Right?
Starting point is 00:42:10 But he won't be, though. Right. He won the league last year, so there's no chance he's going to. It's hard to imagine he didn't win the league. It's different if he was the worst team in the league and he had the number one overall pick. In that case, I would keep only three of those guys. And then your worst-case scenario is you just draft the one that you were going to keep anyway just to make sure that there isn't
Starting point is 00:42:29 somebody better let go by another team adam i have some breaking news for you involving your team okay a prominent signing by the new york giants last season has just retired yeah yeah jonathan stewart yeah yeah what's the fantasy? Odell Beckham. Do you know how much money Jonathan Stewart made? Because I heard this before it came on the air, so I looked it up. Do you know how much money he made in his career? Oh, in his career? Jimmy, any guesses?
Starting point is 00:42:57 $62 million. Lower than $62 million, but higher than $50 million. Oh, that's a pretty good guess. Hashtag Gettleman. Unbelievable. $50 million. Oh, that's a pretty good guess. Hashtag Gettleman. Unbelievable. $55. $51. $51 million and change.
Starting point is 00:43:14 So great job by Jonathan Stewart. At times he was worth plenty of that money, but he's got to get Gettleman like a Rolls Royce or something. Just be a running back and play for Gettleman. Brad from Muncie, Indiana. How about instead of selecting a defense special teams, allow each owner to block two to three quarters of production from an opponent's team each week. The owner gets to select the player and the quarter to block,
Starting point is 00:43:38 all needing to be done after lineups are set, but before the week's games would ensue. There's a timing issue perhaps, but here's how it would work. For example, my opponent has Andy Dalton as a quarterback going against the Patriots. I figure they'll be trailing badly toward the end, and Dalton will be flinging the ball a lot. I choose to block Dalton's fourth quarter production. He gets zero points for anything in the fourth quarter. Gives the owner a chance to use their talent in selecting players to block
Starting point is 00:44:04 rather than somewhat random output of an entire defense. Yeah, that sounds complicated. It is complicated, but what do you think about the concept? Yeah. Do we have any other emails? Yes, sure. This is from Rivan. Where is he from? Rivan.
Starting point is 00:44:34 He's from Brooklyn, New York. Hi, Rivan from Brooklyn. This year I'm going to do mock drafts on the Draft app. I'm going to put in like $50 and do like $1 to $5 drafts, like one or two a week. And that way I can mock draft and possibly have a nice little bonus when the season ends. What do you guys think? Also, you guys should do that on the air, get fans involved in that. That way you guys call this early. You can be right on. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I don't think you guys have ever done a best ball mock draft either. Yes, yes, yes. Good stuff, Rayvon. I don't know how to pronounce your name.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Do it on the draft app. I'll give you the promo code in just a second. But they do best ball drafts, and we will talk about best ball. In fact, we were going to do a best ball show a couple of weeks ago, but our guests couldn't make it work. But that is going to happen, I promise. I don't know if you guys would like to say anything about best ball i i wouldn't even touch best ball drafts until after the nfl draft when i know where all these rookies are going and then you should get into it and then again when after training camp is done and it's the end of the preseason that's a great time to attack best
Starting point is 00:45:40 balls okay next email troy from Chico, California. I believe that's where Aaron Rodgers and family are from. Hey, Carl, Alan, Jim, and Gary. Gary was replaced by Doug in the mid-70s. Carl, Alan, Jim, and Gary. That became Carl, Alan, Jim, and Doug.
Starting point is 00:46:01 It's not the A-team, is it? I don't know. I believe those are Minnesotanesota vikings okay if derrick henry marlin mack and mark ingram were the what was the a team 70s or 80s 80s you baby never seen it oh my god if derrick henry marlin mack and mark ingram were the only veterans in the 2019 rookie dynasty draft what pick pick range would and should they be selected? So if you put Derek Henry, Marlon Mack, and Mark Ingram as the only veterans with the rookies, when would they be selected?
Starting point is 00:46:32 What's the format? I don't know. Half PPR. Why not? Based on dynasty, I'd go Mack one, Henry two, Ingram three. But how would you rank them amongst like Josh Jacobs, Damian Harris, all those guys? I think they'd be – I think Henry and Mack would be toward the top. I think Ingram would probably – Middle.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Yeah, middle of the late first round. It's going to depend on where a lot of those guys go. I mean if you get a situation where let's just say Darrell Henderson is the one that goes to Tampa Bay, then he's going to be ahead of both these guys. I would tentatively put Henry ahead of Mack, just in case Indianapolis does add another running back
Starting point is 00:47:16 in the draft. This one's from no name. He's from the Walmart headquarters. It's Arkansas, right? Yeah, Arkansas. What's his name? We got to call him sam why because the founder of walmart was named sam walton oh i didn't know that i believe is that right no idea how do we not know that we know how do you not how do you definitely because that's sam's club oh really that's the same company? Yeah. He founded the retailers Walmart and Sam's Club.
Starting point is 00:47:46 Okay, well, Sam from Walmart headquarters is the commish of a 12-team Superflex Dynasty League. What are your thoughts on capping starting quarterbacks in a Superflex Dynasty League? Currently, our league allows three starters plus one taxi. I see the quarterback cap like a salary cap, ensuring parity amongst the league. Subjectivity comes into play with determining who's a starter sometimes,
Starting point is 00:48:11 but our rule is to stay under the quarterback cap by the time waivers run each week. And I will make the subjective calls on Tuesdays. Isn't this complicating things again? Why don't you just make it where you're only allowed to carry three quarterbacks? Well, I think if you have a taxi squad squad then if you want to stash somebody you can stash somebody there but what are the rules going to be for stashing somebody it's got to be somebody who enters the week or you don't play them if you as soon as you activate them then
Starting point is 00:48:37 they can't go yeah we we have that in our dynasty league well it's like spots like that the first thing i thought of with this is like you know most fantasy baseball leagues at least the or at least the ones I play in, where you have only 10 pitchers, but you can have guys on the injured list that are still pitchers. Right. But, right, right. Of course, there's no injured list in football, typically. But there's this taxi. Well, you can use an injured list in football.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Like, one of my keeper leagues, we have an injured list. And another one, like Dave mentioned, the dynasty league that we're in, you have a taxi squad. Right. Actually, both dynasty leagues I play we're in you have taxi squad right actually both both dynasties i play and we have taxi squad so it it's essentially like if you wanted to let's say stash baker mayfield last year sam donnell any of the rookie quarterbacks last year the minute that you activate them to play them they can no longer be back on your taxi squad so if you're carrying in this case you'd be carrying four quarterbacks you have to cut one i'd be down with that. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:49:26 And I would amend it to that the taxi squad quarterback could be any quarterback, where you can carry them as your fourth quarterback. No, that's not how taxi squads work. It's got to be something. It's got to be a rookie? I mean, that's usually how most of them go. Why couldn't it be Tyrod Taylor? Again, the one we play.
Starting point is 00:49:40 Because he has a chance to play in any moment's notice. So I think the idea of keeping a guy on any moments notice so that i think you're the idea of keeping a guy on a taxi squad is that you're reserving the right to hold him in a in a situation i mean you could do it that way it just complicates things i think if you know i think it makes it easier if you've got a guy in your tax no matter who it is yeah but you can't use them unless you take them off and then just like you said you got to cut another quarterback it's the perfect thing to do if you've got phil Phillip Rivers and you want to have his backup and you just throw the backup on.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Because what if Tyra Taylor goes into a game to mop up in the fourth quarter? Then he's ineligible from being on the tag team. No, that didn't make sense what I was saying. But I think the idea is just you want to stash young players that don't necessarily have to play on your fantasy team. Somebody, one of my teachers in high school told me that the only word that is the same in every language is
Starting point is 00:50:30 taxi. I don't know. That could be true. Is it no? Yet. I don't know. I wonder if that's true. Somebody look it up for us. By the way, Selena, Gary, McClintock, and Jonah, that was the greeting. That's from Veep,
Starting point is 00:50:47 which I've seen like once, and it was very funny. Jason from anywhere of Adam's choosing. Ooh, Jason is from Council Bluffs, Iowa. Hey, Nymeria, Ghost, and Grey Wind. There's no Grey Wind, is there? Grey Worm. No, Grey Wind, is there? Grey Worm. No, Grey Wind is one of the direwolves. One of the ghosts?
Starting point is 00:51:08 One of the direwolves? Okay. Well, he's dead then. They don't all have to be alive. Spoilers! Well, okay. I'm at a 10 team. They give you a terrible take.
Starting point is 00:51:21 Okay. I'm at a 10 team, two quarterback league, three receivers, two running backs, one flex, non-PPR, dynasty. I have a ton of running back depth. What did you say? That's it. It's really not that much, I guess. It's a dynasty, standard scoring, 10-team, two quarterback league with three wide receivers. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:42 I am being offered Kenny Galladay for either Aaron Jones and my 2020 second and third round picks or Marlon Mack and my 2020 second and third round picks or Derek Henry and my 2020 first round pick. So would you give up any of Aaron Jones, Marlon Mack, and Derek Henry plus draft pick compensation to get Kenny Galladay? He has Saquon Barkley, Mixon, Mack of Aaron Jones, Marlon Mack, and Derek Henry plus draft pick compensation to get Kenny Galladay. He has Saquon Barkley, Mixon, Mack, Aaron Jones, Derek Henry, and Damian Williams and could use some help at receiver. Who are his receivers?
Starting point is 00:52:15 Well, not bad, actually. Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper, T.Y. Hilton, Devontae Parker. He's pretty damn good, except obviously not as deep. I'm looking for a better receiver than Galladay Galladay and Dynasty Is a top 10 receiver So you're getting probably fair value For this
Starting point is 00:52:31 The problem is that Could you potentially try and flip Damian Williams first I have a question Is Michael Thomas a top 10 receiver in Dynasty He's top 3 or maybe number 1 Amari Cooper Galladay may have a question. Is Michael Thomas a top 10 receiver in Dynasty? He's top three or maybe number one. Amari Cooper? Galladay may have a little bit more upside.
Starting point is 00:52:49 T.Y.? Galladay's younger. I think your receivers are fine the way it is right now. Oh, it's a very good receiving core, but you have to start three, and he really only has three. Yeah. So, plus you could play him as flex. I think I would do it for, man.
Starting point is 00:53:07 If you could get rid of Derrick Henry, the problem is I wouldn't want to give up the pick. Can you get a pick back with Galladay? Because Henry, to me, feels like he's an injury. It wouldn't happen. All right, so if you had to choose. That's the way I feel about Mac. If you had to choose one of these three,
Starting point is 00:53:24 it's Aaron Jones or Marlon Mack plus a 2020 second and third round pick, or it's Derrick Henry plus a 2020 first round pick. Because ideally we'd like to give up Henry, but you've got to up the draft pick competition. Yeah, I mean this is the sliding scale of what these guys are. Jones is better than Mack. Mack is better than Henry in Dynasty. So then it sounds like Mack would be your answer.
Starting point is 00:53:45 It sounds like if you were going to do one of them, you'd do Mac. I would rather flip Henry, but I'd rather flip Henry in a second. But I'm not giving you that hypothetical scenario. I'm giving you what is being presented to us. If this is the scenario presented to Jason, then I would trade Mac.
Starting point is 00:54:02 But I would probably try and lop off one of the picks. Yeah, I can't do any of these trades. I'm 0 for 3. I wouldn't do any of them. I think trade Mack. But I would probably try and lop off one of the picks. Yeah, I can't do any of these trades. I'm 0 for 3. I wouldn't do any of them. I think you can. I mean, you might be losing the trade, but you're benefiting your team. Galladay and Dynasty is leaps and bounds
Starting point is 00:54:16 better than Marlon Mack and Derek Henry. But not Aaron Jones? He's not leaps and bounds better than Aaron Jones, but he's better than Aaron Jones. I don't think Jones is that much better than Mack and Henry. I think the potential is there, but to me, Jones and Mack are basically the same guy. Well, it's the same conversation.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Yeah. But it's still a lot. It's still too much. Are we maybe assuming a little bit too much on Kenny Galladay? He's not exactly true. I love Kenny Galladay. Me too. I think it's too much.
Starting point is 00:54:44 Galladay, again. Especially for this guy's team. You're talking about a guy entering his third season with still, I think, a lot of room for growth. I think I'm more concerned about Stafford than Galladay. Sure, but then they could always find another quarterback to come along. Yeah, they grow on trees. Target on target Galladay. Well, listen, throwing to a 6'4 receiver is not that hard to do.
Starting point is 00:55:05 No, I like Golly. Okay. So Game of Thrones, spoiler, you can turn off the – you can stop listening if you want. No, we're two days in already. Okay. Well, if you don't want to hear. You know, I just – yeah, I was bored. I was bored, and it was an uneventful episode.
Starting point is 00:55:21 It was setting up. But this is now – we have a six episode season. And they have spent each of the first two episodes just setting up the season. Like, stop. You know the third episode is going to be basically one and a half. Yeah, it's going to be what we want. It's going to be a big bloody battle.
Starting point is 00:55:37 No, no, what you want, because you're a simpleton. You have to see things blow up. That's the way it is for you. No, no, that's not true. That's just not true. You love the beginning part of the series. That's the way it is for you. No, that's not true. That's just not true. You love the beginning part of the series. That's just not true. Because I didn't like the second episode, people are thinking that. What I don't like is that Game of Thrones over Season 7 and now Season 8 has just done a really bad job cramming too much stuff all at once.
Starting point is 00:56:01 They're just very slow to develop. What were they cramming in, though? Well, that's the thing. Now they have to cram in a full season into four episodes because all they've done for the first two seasons is recap the first seven seasons of the series. But they weren't recapping anything. They recapped everything. What were they recapping yesterday? I'm this.
Starting point is 00:56:20 I'm that. I'm Gendry. I'm Baratheon's son. You had people that have either never been on camera together or have not been on camera together for seasons. When was the last time Arya and Gendry were on camera together? I know, but that's the thing. They took the time to catch everyone up on Gendry's history. Are they supposed to rip each other's clothes off and just go at it? Yes, I already know that
Starting point is 00:56:45 he is Baratheon's son. I don't need him to tell me that. But again, you have to put yourself in the scenario of where it is. Two things that I thought were interesting. One of our former colleagues, Nick Costas, he tweeted that you got a chance to hang out with all these people on what could be the last
Starting point is 00:57:02 night of their lives. I don't care. Go ahead. Sorry. Why am I blanking on – is it Chris Long? Defensive end? Yeah, Chris Long. I forget how much long it was.
Starting point is 00:57:17 He said – he put it in football terms. Like you're in a locker room on a 1-14 team, and you're about to go out and play the best team in the league and you're just trying to figure out a way to either enjoy yourself before that happens and find a way that you could potentially find a way to win yeah so i guess overall i don't understand how you didn't like the dialogue the conversations that was it i i really didn't i really wasn't blown away by it. I don't know what it was. I just don't think the writing is good.
Starting point is 00:57:48 But this episode was. I didn't think so. A lot of people felt the way you feel. I think more people feel the way you feel than the way I feel. I'm shocked by you, though. I thought it was ordinary. The thing you liked about the show was... Yeah, really creative, great dialogue, just stuff you never hear before.
Starting point is 00:58:02 I find myself playing along at home, and I can almost guess the lines from a lot of the characters like i just think it's very basic now torment story was torment's great yeah he was the best part the best the exchange between the hound and i forget the guy's name the blind guy with the the lord of light yeah also very very clever very funny um i don't know man i just uh I was bored by it and I'm just not impressed with the writing anymore. And that's, what the hell do I know about writing? But it's just not doing it for me. Did you notice that Ghost was there in one of the scenes? I didn't notice that.
Starting point is 00:58:37 I didn't notice that. Big ass dire wolf. Oh, sorry, I cursed. Big huge dire wolf just sitting there and I didn't even notice. Okay, Jamie, thank you for chatting with me. I'm definitely getting the impression that you are really just like a basic
Starting point is 00:58:49 casual viewer of this show while Jamie probably... How many times have you watched the last episode? Twice? I have not watched the two season eight episodes at all yet. I'm still going back. Wait a minute. How do you know what's happening?
Starting point is 00:59:11 I'm going back through still watching the previous season. You're like the diehard Game of Thrones fan. When the Renaissance Fair comes to town, you're going to be dressing up as Jon Snow. No, I'm reliving. Brianne. Do you have an iron throne in your house? My toilet, yes. I'm reliving it as it happens.
Starting point is 00:59:27 So some of the conversations are a little redundant to me, but that's because I'm watching them almost simultaneously. Like I just got through season six, episode three, I think it is, where they just bring Jon Snow back to life. Uh-huh. Is it three or two? I don't remember. I think I don't know. They can bring people back to life on this show.
Starting point is 00:59:47 Yeah, he's, yeah. So I think that, like, in the first episode of season eight, there's the moment where Daenerys meets, oh, I think I said this to you off the air, Daenerys meets Samwell and reveals what she did to his family. And I thought that was a very poorly delivered scene. I was laughing. I thought it was funny.
Starting point is 01:00:09 And it shouldn't have been. And ordinarily Game of Thrones would have taken more time to have Samwell find out from somebody else. There would have been this feud simmering between two important characters. But no, because they wasted six seasons developing the story so damn slowly, they're cramming so much into season seven and eight, and you get this scene where Daenerys just tells Samwell what happened. He reacts.
Starting point is 01:00:30 That storyline is done right now, it appears. He then goes and tells Jon Snow. We have now had four reveals of the same thing about Jon Snow's bloodline. It is so – I'm done with it. Where's the fourth? Yeah, last night or Sunday night. We had the end of season six, the end of season seven, which was so stupid with Bran going back in time and that being done. The first episode of season one where Samwell tells Jon – the second – season eight, sorry.
Starting point is 01:01:01 The second episode of season eight where Jon tells Daenerys. It's enough already. It's sloppy. It's lazy. And the show is getting worse. And I'm glad it's ending. Please end on a good note. Now it seems like I hate Game of Thrones.
Starting point is 01:01:15 How would that ending be? How would you like to see that? You do realize that Sunday for episode three, there's going to be so many people upset with all the people who get killed. I don't care about who gets killed. I hope they all get killed. I hope the White Walkers. Yes, because it would be the ballsiest ending to a show ever. That's what Game of Thrones should be.
Starting point is 01:01:35 It was the gutsiest, edgiest, most unpredictable show. If it still has any of that left. I have no idea what happened. But if, in fact, they kill the Night King next week... He'll be devastated. No, I won't. He's rooting for the bad guys. Not necessarily.
Starting point is 01:01:52 My thoughts about Game of Thrones are much more positive overall than what I've been spewing right now. I think Season 7 was garbage, and I don't think Season 8 has been that much better. Honestly, I don't necessarily disagree with you on season seven. I'm surprised, though, that last week's episode is the one that you're so upset with. Because I thought you in particular would like it because it was a different conversation outside of the reveal again. But the stuff in the room by the fire was amazing. That conversation was great.
Starting point is 01:02:24 You know what was amazing? Show Me the Way by the fire was amazing. That conversation was great. You know what was amazing? Show me the way to go home was amazing. That three guys figuring they're about to die on that boat, singing that song, that was amazing. That was so much better. This was the Game of Thrones show me the way to go home moment, and it wasn't even close to that iconic scene. That is my final answer.
Starting point is 01:02:46 I'm sticking to it. We got to go. Thank you for letting me rant. I do appreciate that. And please don't hate me, everybody. Also, Jamie, Dave, my wife wants a Ben & Jerry's cake for her birthday. Should she get brownie filling or cookie filling? What does she want?
Starting point is 01:03:04 We put it out to a Twitter poll, and it was 51% to 49% with like 2,000 votes in. What does she want? She doesn't know. That's why I did the poll. If you had to go to the grocery store and buy her – I would do cooking. Why don't you get her two cakes and then invite us over? Goodbye, everybody. Thanks for listening.
Starting point is 01:03:17 This has been Fantasy Thrones Today. We'll talk to you Friday. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
Starting point is 01:03:24 Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.