Fantasy Football Today - 04/26: Round One Thoughts; Tyreek Hill Reaction (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 26, 2019

Why not start the NFL Draft and Fantasy chatter with Josh Jacobs? OAK's new RB is set for a big opportunity. Is he an every down back and when are we drafting him? And we give some rookie trends to know (7:25) and react to the Tyreek Hill recording (8:55) and discuss what it will mean for Patrick Mahomes and Sammy Watkins ... Fantasy winners (16:50) and losers (27:15). Some veteran RBs like Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon are looking good. Can Marquise Brown thrive in BAL? Is Kenny Golladay a loser with the addition of T.J. Hockenson? Amidst this discussion, we get into the controversial selection of Daniel Jones (19:05) .... More on Round One (40:40) as we spend some time on Kyler Murray and review all of the picks that were relevant for Fantasy. We try to determine what Murray's lack of college experience will mean in the NFL ... Email us at [e-mail] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Recapping round one of the 2019 NFL Draft,

a.k.a. make fun of the Giants all day. That's pretty much what everybody's been doing. Welcome to Fantasy Football today. Hey, did you see Jamie when they showed those aerial shots? I think we saw you in that massive, like, 100,000 people. Jamie's in Nashville. How's it going out there, man? I mean, you could have just watched this on CBS Sports. I did.

It would probably be a little bit easier to see us there. It's fun. It's a cool town. It's a great venue for the draft. I hope the rain wasn't too much of a deterrence for the people that are here. But the response seems to be very overwhelmingly positive.

I think the Giants had an interesting draft. So did the Raiders. At least our first pick. But we'll get into that soon. Oh, we sure will. Mostly fantasy talk and really a lot of Tyreek Hill talk. That's probably the most fantasy-relevant thing that came out of yesterday, believe it or not.

Dave and Heath are also here. What did you guys think of the draft, round one? I guess it was to be expected. Defense dominated. Not a lot of uh there's a little bit of excitement for fantasy i think josh jacobs is gonna overshadow everybody else and that was to be expected i'd like to see where tampa bay goes with their running back position in the next day or two there was a hit movie that came out in 1992, Prelude to a Kiss, with Alec Baldwin and Meg Ryan. And that's kind of what last night felt like.

It was just building up to Friday night's going to be the big night for fantasy football. That was a hit movie? Well, I mean, yeah, I think so. What was your favorite part of Prelude to a Kiss? Meg Ryan. Can I tell you what I said when Baltimore drafted Marquise Brown? I said... That's pretty much how I felt.

That was not a good destination for Marquise Brown. That was not a good destination for Marquis Brown. That was Zoe. No, this is a really funny clip of this guy, this father crying when his son tells him he still loves him. I'll play the rest of the clip. I still love you. And then he unleashes. It's really weird. Okay, so let's talk fantasy here.

Quote from Mike Mayock. I thought this was interesting on Josh Jacobs, who actually went one pick before Marquise Brown. 24th overall, that pick was acquired in the Khalil Mack trade. Quote, remember, if you're going to play for John Gruden as a running back, you've got to pass protect, and you've got to catch the football, and this is a as a running back. You've got to pass protect, and you've got to catch the football, and this is a three down back. We've watched him pass protect, and he's got really

good natural hands, so he brings versatility on the offensive side. Is that how you guys see Josh Jacobs fitting in in year one with the Raiders? Who are you asking? You guys. All of us. The problem is that Jamie's in Nashville,

and I don't want to sit there for anything he says. He was the most fantasy-relevant player drafted last night, and the only question I have about those things that you just said was, does Jalen Rashard just disappear? Because if he does, then Josh – I've still got Josh Jacobs ranked too low, and he might be a top-12 pick. Jamie?

I'll throw it to Jamie in Nashville. Well, if you look at Gruden's history in Tampa and how he used – and, excuse me, his first stint in Oakland, he basically gave his running backs, I think, about 260 carries on average, if I saw it correctly, looking at it last night. If that's the case, and you kind of look at the numbers last year for those guys, the combination of Marshawn Lynch and Doug Martin was 272 carries. And then Jalen Richard, I think, had 55.

So if that stays the case, like I'm looking at it right now. So from 2001 through 2007 it was basically about 260 was the was the low for the touches and that was michael pitman um tyron tyron wheatley twice in the polling kaufman once each had at least or they had at least 242 touches so the average of his running backs 11 running backs was 266 touches per season. If he's going to get 266 touches, that should significantly help his production. But you're right. What happens to Richard and does he just completely go away?

I don't think that's necessarily the case. So I think he's – I mean you're drafting him as a number two running back. I think round four is about the range you're going to look to get him. If he stays healthy, he has the chance, I think, to be a top 15 type of guy. Dave? And so in Gruden's called plays for a dozen years, in 10 of those 12 years, a singular running back has totaled 1,000 yards, and seven years a running back has had at least seven total touchdowns.

So I think that's what you're looking for from Jacobs is 1,000 total yards and seven total touchdowns as a floor. I think we could all agree that that is easily obtainable, which is why I agree with Jamie. I'm calling him a top 50 pick, which means that he would probably fall right into round four. Gruden does have a tendency to use multiple backs. We've seen that well into his past. He did it last year. So I don't think Jalen Richard is going to disappear,

but he's probably going to be more like Jalen Richard, which is no one that anybody is going to care about, and they're going to mispronounce his name, and two years from now he'll be selling car insurance somewhere. Crowell is going to have a harder time. Yeah, I think it wipes him out. Yeah, it could get him off the team. somewhere. Crowell is going to have a harder time getting playing time. It could get him off the team.

I don't know how good of a pass blocker Jacobs is. I think he's willing to get in there and do the job. I'm looking forward to seeing him improve in that aspect and once he does, then three down back all the way.

But he does have very good hands. And, man, so much gas in that tank. Something like 250 touches last season, I think it was. So would you go with Chris Carson or Josh Jacobs? I still have Carson right there. I'll take Jacobs. Heath? Heath's eye.

That's a really good question there, Adam. I'm going to go with Carson. Okay. How about Josh Jacobs or Kerryon Johnson? Jacobs. Still Kerry on. I have early projections done for all the guys drafted last night. I have carry on Johnson and Josh Jacobs separated by two hundredths of a point.

Oh, wow. Okay. Who's higher? I'm going to call that a tie. Okay, fair enough. Who's higher? Who's got two hundredths of a point more? Carry on, Johnson. There's your answer, I guess.

Let me give you some draft trends. I looked over the last four years. Probably should have gone at least five years, but we'll just look at the last four years. We've had one rookie quarterback do well for straight seasons. Jameis Winston was QB 13. Dak Prescott was QB 9. Deshaun Watson only played seven games, but he averaged the most fantasy points among quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield was QB 16.

We've had at least two rookie running backs finish in the top 12 four straight seasons. We had Todd Gurley and David Johnson, Zeke and Jordan Howard, Kareem Hunt, Alvin Kamara, and Leonard Fournette, and Saquon Barkley and Phillip Lindsey. And I think I gave you nine running backs there. Eight of those nine were top 10, and all nine were top 12. So rookie running backs have been very impactful lately. We've only had one top 12 rookie wide receiver over the last four years. That was Michael Thomas.

But we have had a top 20 wide receiver three straight years. That would be Thomas, Juju Smith-Schuster, and Calvin Ridley. And two of those three were second round picks. Ridley was a first round pick. As far as tight ends, it's hard to make an impact as a rookie tight end, but we have had four top 16 tight ends in the last three seasons. Hunter Henry, Evan Ingram, OJ Howard, and Chris Herndon. Evan Ingram, the only rookie tight end to finish in the top ten in the last four seasons. Okay, I got a stat on Kyler Murray and quarterbacks taken number one overall. But why don't we just get into it. I think it's going to be almost all draft stuff, but I do think we need to address Tyreek Hill.

So we talked about Josh Jacobs, and he is the most fantasy relevant so far. I think, obviously, we had the Patriots taking a wide receiver, which is really exciting. That would be Nikhil Harry, 32nd overall out of Arizona State. And, obviously, Baltimore taking Marquise Brown. That was less exciting. But Tyreek Hill, I'd like to never see him. I'll just editorialize.

I'd like to never see him play football again. I think that's possible. And I could be overreacting. But, Jamie, you were around a lot of football guys yesterday. What was the reaction when we learned of the incriminating audio of Tyreek Hill? I mean, obviously it's terrible. I somewhat agree with you that he should not play again. I don't think that's going to be the case because we have at least a little bit of a precedent with this,

with Adrian Peterson and what happened with him when he was charged with child abuse. And he was actually charged. Tyreek Hill was not charged, or at least as I understand it, will not be charged. So the fact that Peterson was suspended for basically a full season is kind of, I think, where you have to go with this. But again, the difference is that he was charged. So I don't know how that will impact what the NFL decides to do with Tyreek Hill's situation. But he's going to face some suspension. I think it's probably a minimum eight games.

I don't know if there will be worse than that, but clearly there's something that's going to come down here because the NFL has the rulings, the collective bargaining states that even though he's going to be able to plead the play again at him, but I don't think, like, they let Adrian Peterson come back and someone signed him and someone used him and Tyreek Hill's 25 years old and he's one of the most talented wide receivers in the league. And so I, I don't really think he will play for the Chiefs again, but I could be wrong about that. I would expect they will cut him. He will be suspended. Somebody will sign him and he'll probably be back in 2020. But this makes the Chiefs' offense, I mean, from a fantasy perspective,

since that's why we're here, it really makes this day interesting for the Chiefs, and whether they draft one of their still, a lot of wide receivers left that have a lot of upside. They've got two picks in the second round. And then if Sammy Watkins, whenever he's healthy, he's going to be a borderline number one wide receiver. So, Dave, should we wait until Monday to see what the Chiefs do

before we talk about Patrick Mahomes or Sammy Watkins and where these guys are going to be moving in drafts and rankings? Tyreek Hill represented 25% of Patrick Mahomes' touchdowns, almost 30% of his passing yards. He was so impactful for how defenses took on Kansas City's offense. Who are the Chiefs going to draft that's going to replace that? The best-case scenario might be Paris Campbell, and I don't think he's going to be what tyreek hill was this is a downgrade the chiefs aren't going to come back from this very easily still the number one quarterback in fantasy no not for me he's he's

down to number three and he could move even further behind who i uh luck and Rodgers for me right now. I haven't decided. He's going to be one or two for me, and it may be determined by whether they go add a good receiver today or even on Saturday. But I don't think – like Tyreek Hill didn't make Patrick Mahomes. I think he was a big reason why Patrick Mahomes had the numbers that he had last year. 12 of 50 touchdowns.

So what if he's not suspended for the whole season, though? What if it's only a game? Then I guess that would help him, but you're still going to have a substandard Mahomes for the first half of the year. And we're going to start Mahomes anyway, so maybe that bumps him back up to number one. But he's not the far and away. He wouldn't be the far and away QB one. If Tyree kill played eight games next year, he would still be a lot closer to around five pick for me.

Like the, before this news happened, I was okay with my homes is around three quarterback. I know that there are people out there that were ready to sink their number one pick into my homes because he was such a difference maker last year. We're just not those kinds of guys when it comes to quarterbacks, we like to wait, number one pick into Mahomes because he was such a difference maker last year. We're just not those kinds of guys when it comes to quarterbacks. We like to wait. But I still would have taken him in round three.

There's no chance I'm taking any quarterback before 50th overall now in a one quarterback league. So, Jamie, where's Mahomes in your rankings? I haven't, honestly, unfortunately, given it much thought just because I was so busy with the draft last night. But I'm just looking right now at the two game logs for both guys. So Tyreek Hill week three had a miserable game. Wait, before you do that, I've already done it. Okay.

Tyreek Hill had five games last season with 61 or fewer yards. Here are Mahomes' fantasy points. Without scoring? At least four of them, I'd say. Here are Mahomes' fantasy points in those five games. 30, 6 points for passing touchdown leagues. 30,

24, 15, 40, and 21. So, small sample. Pretty good. As low as 15, as high as 40. And then 21, 24, and 30. I would say that would be three disappointing games out of five for Patrick Mahomes.

Well, he had actually, Tyreek Hill had eight games with 75 yards or less with no touchdowns. Yeah, but I did the cutoff and I think a 70-yard game is still pretty good. 61 is clearly the right cutoff. I mean, a 70-yard game is pretty good. I can't say that's a bad game. He's going to have some 70-yard games.

So you're right. And you know what? It's an imperfect exercise. But could you, Jamie, if Tyreek Hill suspended eight games, could you really make Patrick Mahomes your number one quarterback? No. No. Anything more than four games for Tyreek Hill will bump Mahomes down.

I think Dave's probably got in the right spot three. I think he's still top five. You know, it's hard to justify. Maybe you can move Deshaun Watson ahead of him too, at least for me. I think he has him ranked a little bit higher. So you could argue those three guys. I don't think I'm going to take Baker Mayfield or Matt Ryan ahead of Mahomes, even if Tyreek Hill misses the entire season. Because there is, you know, just again, eyeballing it right now, there's a pretty good sample size of him still putting up tremendous numbers

in terms of Mahomes without Tyreek Hill on the field. But Tyreek Hill puts him in a different echelon, in a different tier because of what he does on the field. Well, not without Tyreek Hill on the field, without Tyreek Hill having a big game, but still being on the field, I mean, that does help. All right, so you know what? Matt Ryan is definitely a winner. The Falcons, rather, they upgraded their offensive line. Let's talk about NFL draft or fantasy winners and losers from the NFL draft.

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the center from NC State, I think it's going to help Dalvin Cook even more. I'm really excited about Cook's outlook for the season with Stefanski and Gary Kubiak as the play callers there, so they're going to be run-centric. And getting help on that line was tremendously needed, and Bradbury is just a dominant force in the middle. They'll kick Elfline over to right guard or left guard,

and just making the offensive line just a better unit overall will help things out for Cook in a big, big way. I'd second that. It's a fantastic fit. Bradbury is a zone scheme center, and that's what Minnesota runs, and that's what Cook is best at. This helps the entire offense, not just Cook, but certainly Cook needed help with that interior line

and the Vikings gave it to him. Yeah. We did a show a few weeks ago, more like a couple months ago, where we talked about the grades that pro football focus gave offensive lines and Minnesota was pretty low on that list, I think. I will confirm. And when you watch them play, you could understand where that gray comes from. So there wasn't that gray area there like we had with a couple of the other lines that

we saw. All right, Dave, who's a winner for you? I think that Hollywood Brown landing with Baltimore is going to be kind of so-so for him as a fantasy prospect. But now that the Ravens have a guy that can take the top off the defense, it is going to be kind of so-so for him as a fantasy prospect. But now that the Ravens have a guy that can take the top off the defense, it's going to force defensive backs to think twice about crowding the line of scrimmage against this Ravens run offense. So I think it's going to help Mark Ingram. And I'm not a fan of taking older running backs, but Ingram might be

an exception for me this year. It's still a good offensive line in Baltimore. Lamar Jackson being there will also make it hard to slow down Ingram. I think he's going to benefit from Marquise Brown on the outside taking the top off. Interesting. Okay, Heath, a winner for you. I think it's definitely Eli Manning. Oh, yeah. I mean, the Giants made it pretty clear that he's going to be their starting quarterback for at least the next three years.

Three years. There's not any competition there. They could have drafted a good quarterback that might have taken his job, and they didn't do that. So I think in three quarterback leagues, Manning is still a must-start option. I have so much to say about it, but just because I love the listeners so much, I'm not going to talk about it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Say it. No, I – look, I didn't like the pick. I didn't like the pick, but I just want to bring something.

If they had taken Dwayne Haskins instead of Daniel Jones, would you have been happier with the Giants' draft? Yes. Yeah, like everybody would have, right? Except let's not – Except NFL people who love Daniel Jones. Let's not ignore the fact that the Redskins NFL people, according to reports, wanted Daniel Jones over Dwayne Haskins. Yeah, so the only question is...

If you want to call those guys quarterback evaluators, that's a different story. But there are teams that wanted Daniel Jones and he was not going to get to 17 according to everything I heard last night. That was my question. You obviously were surrounded by people who were

plugged in, Jamie. The question is, this that, because that was my question. Like, you, you obviously were surrounded by people who were plugged in, Jamie, and the question is, this is the most controversial pick of the first round, so it bears talking. Cleland Farrell? Yeah,

Cleland Farrell. This is, this is more controversial than that. Fine. It's, it's close. They're toss-ups

to two franchises that may not be going in the right direction, but the question is just, would he have gotten there at 17, would he have been there at 17, and if have been there at 17?

And if the answer is no, then it's a justifiable bet. They did not feel, again, everything that I heard and everything that I read last night, they did not feel that he was going to be there at 17. Now, could they have traded down from six

or traded up from 17? That's the big question. You know, the Steelers clearly made a move to go up and were able to get there the giants had more ammunition so you know they could have potentially made that happen if that was the case um but it's i mean we say this in fantasy all the time if there's a guy you like you get him when you have the chance to get him now daniel jones according to every mock draft you know this this is where

the nfl draft becomes fun because mock drafts from people like us compared to what nfl evaluators look at players is completely different i know yeah it's the same thing as people who play fantasy compared to the things we do we rank guys and we say this is where they should be drafted. But if you like someone, you take them where you can get them. It does feel like a bad pick. It feels like a bad pick. That's the problem. The perception is it's a bad pick.

But if he becomes the best quarterback of this class, no one's going to care that it's 6. Do we have – and I maybe just can't think of it. But, like, is there a quarterback we can think of that completed less than 60% of their passes and averaged 6.4 yards per attempt and turned out to be good in the NFL? It's kind of a flawed stat because Jones, and this is part of the reason why the NFL evaluators liked him, and I could spend a minute on this if you really wanted to yeah but the long story short is that the offensive line in Duke sucked it was brutal and when you go back and watch Jones's film there's at least two times every game where his receivers drop passes on him including reliable tight he had a reliable tight end cut a lot of passes he's dropping wide open touchdowns in the end zone so it's just but there are so many frustrating plays where Jones is putting it on the receiver

and the receiver isn't doing his part to help Jones out. So that is absolutely part of the reason why his stats were terrible. He was under pressure a lot and sometimes he was under pressure and he still made great throws. He was tough in the pocket. His footwork is really good. His coaching is good. He seems to be smart for the position. I'm concerned about the arm strength because a lot of his passes to the sideline kind of fluttered a little bit. And I remember seeing that in guys like Ryan Nassib, who just did not pan out at all in the NFL. And i'm not comparing the two because nasa wasn't as ready as jones kind of is and i don't i just i don't i don't see him i think what the giants are looking for from a quarterback is just a distributor yeah and that's part of the reason why they've

got shepherd why they've got golden tate why they've got evan ingram they're looking for a guy who can get the ball out quick jones did that at Duke. And the protection will be better for him with the Giants than it was at Duke. So maybe he'll end up being okay. I don't see him as a flashy quarterback. He's not going to be as productive as Kyler Murray. I think there's a chance he's not going to be as productive as Will Greer, who hasn't been picked yet. He's worse than Will Greer.

And Heath, over the last 24 hours, has heard everything that I think about Will Greer. So I'm not going to get into it for his sake. But I understand why the Giants picked him. I just think that it doesn't mean that he's going to be good at all. Just real quick, because I'm not going to disagree with anything you said. But the initial question still stands. Can we think of any quarterback who had stats as bad as him in college and turned out to be really good?

What were the stats again? 6.4 yards per attempt, completion percentage below 60%. There's no way I would be able to think about that off the top of my head. Let's see. What was the completion percentage? 59.9 is his career. He was 60.5 as a junior i know there's one stat that daniel jones has that's better than kyler murray and dwayne haskins and that is starts and actually i think more and competition he played against much tougher competition than than murray for sure and he was brutal in that tough competition

uh and now i think a lot of people attribute that to the offensive line. And what was it? Oh, yes. Have there been successful quarterbacks that have started only one year? That probably has been, but that used to be

a major, major stat when drafting quarterbacks was experience and just starts. Did Matt Leinart only start one year? I think he did. Sanchez? Oh, maybe it was Sanchez. It was Sanchez, not Leinart. Yeah, it was Sanchez. I want to say Leinart had two years.

Lamar Jackson had a 57% completion percentage at Louisville. Oh, and Heath will not admit that Lamar Jackson is a bad quarterback, a bad thrower. So this is perfect, Heath. You've got somebody with worse stats.

So let's hear it now. Do you feel regret about your either Daniel Jones take or your Lamar Jackson? You defended Lamar Jackson so vociferously last night on Twitter. It was terrific. What do we think Lamar Jackson's college stats were passing the ball? His completion percentage is worse. Well, I wasn't just citing completion percentage. I also mentioned Dave has it pulled up.

That's all I heard. So he averaged 8.3 yards per attempt and 57% completion percentage. That's much, much better than 6.4% and 59%. One is better, one is worse. Okay, who's your actual draft? One is barely better and one is much worse. Who's your actual winner, Heath? No, I'll just...

I will say that I think Marquise Brown, while he may not have been my perfect choice to go to Baltimore and help that passing game, the fact that Lamar Jackson got one of the top wide receivers and actually has a talented wide receiver on his team now is a big benefit for him. I spent my morning watching Jackson's deep throws last year. And bottom line is he completed 9 of 18 by my count 13 of the 18 incompletions i'm sorry 9 of 27 18 incompletions 13 of the 18 incompletions were bad throws uh his best target when he was throwing deep was mark andrews not john brown not michael Crabtree. I counted him with seven-plus throws on the 27 attempts. So there it is.

This is Jamie's fantasy loser, who's Marquise Brown from last night. It's just, you know, I expect him to be better than John Brown, but it's a similar type of skill set, at least looking at the two guys he's a small kid and i just i'm i'm worried about him he's already got the foot issue i hope he can stay healthy um you know i spoke to somebody who who knows him very well says the foot is fine uh but in the seven starts that lamar jackson made season, John Brown had eight receptions.

And he was on his way to a very nice, I don't want to call it a big season, but a nice season last year to start with Joe Flacco. So he really tailed off to Dave's point. You know, getting the ball downfield right now is not Lamar Jackson's strength. I expect Jackson to be stronger. You know, full NFL offseason, full NFL practice regimen with, you know, the new system that they're employing in Baltimore. Really, they changed things on the fly last year when Jackson took over for Joe Flacco. So I expect Lamar Jackson to be better. So I don't think it's a total disaster for Marquise Brown.

But this was not a great destination for him for his short-term future, maybe his long-term future, but not his short-term future. And I agree with that. I think he was – I definitely think he was a loser. Is anybody ready to take him before round eight? I mean, not to not answer your question, Dave, but I would rather have him than kill Harry. Oh,

without question. No, it's not without question. Of course, I mean, so in the seven regular season games, no, the eight games, including the postseason that Lamar Jackson started, no wide receiver had more than five catches. No wide receiver had more than 61 yards in a game.

And they combined in eight games for five touchdowns. Like, I think it's... I don't think it's a question. Nikhil Harry on the Patriots versus... I guess we have to see what happens in the rest of the draft. But as of now... Nikhil Harry is probably the third versus... I guess we have to see what happens in the rest of the draft. But as of now... Nikhil Harry is probably the third or fourth option in the passing game. Behind who?

Well, he's definitely going to be behind Julian Edelman. Yes, and he'll probably have more yards than James White. He's going to have less targets, though. Maybe. Maybe not. I mean, probably. But I'm not drafting Marquise Brown. Are you guys drafting Marquise Brown?

You said round eight. I'd say round 18. I don't want nothing to do... Okay, okay. Let's pause. I'm being too harsh. Lamar Jackson could get better. Breathe a deep breath. Well, remember, it's not always, in this case, especially for this offense that they're going to run,

about the throws. Because he's going to get jet sweeps and bubble screens and all these type of things. The thing about Harry is he's at best their third option in the passing game. Now, we still don't know what they're going to do. They could trade up in round two. Nick Cesario talked about this yesterday, their player personnel guy, that if there's a player they like, they have a lot of draft capital to go up and get him. So they can still get, let's say, Irv Smith, who's available, or a guy like, I think I'm going to say his name right, Kahali Waring. I apologize if I didn't.

Another tight end who could be a playmaker in a spot that they need. So that could hurt Harry still. But there's a huge need for him in that offense. And the Patriots, you know, will be creative in how they get that guy open. Dave talked about this. He has a hard time breaking off of press coverage but there is no team in the NFL better at crossing routes and rubs and you know uh illegal picks and all those things that the Patriots do to get their guys open and so I think Harry's just in a better spot while he's the third option maybe at best compared to the number one option at best for for Marquis Brown.

The problem is, is that Harry might be the guy doing the rubbing and not the catching. He's a very good blocker. I I think part of the reason why is with the Patriots is because he's such a good run blocker. And the Patriots seem to be evolving a little bit more toward using their backfield to create yardage and move the chains. And there's still a chance that Josh Gordon's on the Patriots this year. Yeah, that is true. As of right now, though, Jamie says he'd take Nikhil Harry over Marquise Brown. Dave and Heath, who would you take? I'm taking Brown over Harry, but both of them are—

I've got Brown as a round nine pick in non-PPR, and I don't know how good I really even feel about that. I think these guys are both double-digit round receivers that you'll put on your bench. You're not going to know when to start them or feel good about them. I think there are better sleeper receivers out there than both of these guys. I've got Brown at number 48, head wide receiver. Nikhil Harry at 53. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a receiver drafted in round

two or three that trumps both these guys oh yeah i agree oh yeah that's been the case i mean i hope that's the case calvin calvin ridley was a was a very good fantasy option last year but in since the beckham evans watkins draft the first round wide receivers have been more or less duds and the guys taken later like juju sm Smith-Schuster, like Michael Thomas, like Tyree Kiel, who fell for different reasons, all the way to the fifth round, I believe, they have been better. So today is a huge day for wide receivers in fantasy. Jamie's losers, Marquise Brown.

Recapping here, Jamie had Dalvin Cook as a winner. Dave had Mark Ingram. Heath had Marquise Brown or Lamar Jackson? Eli Manning. Eli Manning and Lamar Jackson? Eli Manning. Eli Manning and Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson. And Jamie also had Joe Mixon. Same concept.

They upgraded their offensive line. They're getting better, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. They took Jonah Williams' 11th overall offensive tackle. And then I would just add on and say Devontae Freeman. I mean, it's the same concept here. I mean, I'm very excited about what the Falcons have done. Guard Chris Lindstrom, 14th overall, and McGarry, 31st.

Caleb McGarry, 31st overall, Washington offensive tackle. So that's a nice sign. They really needed help on the offensive line. Well, they actually signed two guards before the draft. I didn't think this was a huge need for Atlanta after all. But what they did is they solidified their line heading into the future. It's a good tactical move by Atlanta. Okay.

One way or another, it's better for the Falcons. And hopefully, please don't add a running back, at least until later. Are there any of the guys that we mentioned, both sides, winners and losers, that can go the other direction based on what happens over the next two days? Well, we haven't gotten to Dave and Heath's losers yet, so if you guys just want to shout them out real quick. That's my bad. Dave, your loser?

Yeah, mine's Mahomes. It has nothing to do with the draft. You know why. Yeah. And Heath? But if they address receiver same concept do they who's coming in to be tyree well paris campbell is one you mentioned i think that's that's he's not gonna be tyree kill but you don't have to be they're not they're not drafting a

1 000 yard field stretcher in this draft uh keen butler could go for a thousand yards next year if patrick mahomes is his quarterback my eyebrows are raised and my eyeballs are popping out of my head i like hakeem butler he's not 1,000 yards, even in Kansas City next year. But he wouldn't be, in terms of homes, as much of a downgrade if they move up, let's say, from 61 to get one of the remaining top receiving prospects. Sure, it would help him. It might put him back up top as a QB1. If they take A.J. Brown or Hakeem Butler, I would put him number one still. Really?

I mean. He could be one, but he's not going to be the far and away one. I'm not trying to diss these rookie wide receivers, but I can't just. They're not Tyreek Hill. And Sammy Watkins can't stay healthy. I cannot see a scenario unless they take two in the second round and third round or something. I cannot see a scenario where Patrick Mahomes is not a loser. And I think he can lose five points a game and still be the best quarterback.

You don't even have Deshaun Watson ahead of him, I thought, in four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues anyway. I don't have four-point-per-passing touchdown rankings. Okay, but you do. You've been saying that. You're kind of like speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Cause you have, I'm just saying,

I don't think glues going from Tyree kill to one of those guys is going to have an enormous impact on Patrick bombs. Let's just really dream about it for a second. And I know Jamie's not a big fan of this guy, but what if DK Metcalf found his way to Kansas city? Now that's a field stretcher. He might not be, you know,

Mr. Route runner and Mr. Loose hips, but he, he can take the top off, and that could be a player. Again, I don't know if he's 1,000 yards, but he could give the Chiefs offense the same type of element, I think, that Tyreek Hill did in terms of speed. Okay.

I've seen Ben Roethlisberger without Antonio Brown. Ben Roethlisberger is going to the Hall of speed. Okay. I've seen Ben Roethlisberger without Antonio Brown. Ben Roethlisberger is going to the Hall of Fame. He's not as good as Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes will suffer without Tyreek Hill. To what degree? I don't know, but he will be worse without Tyreek Hill. There's

pretty much no way around that. It's just a matter of how many games he'll miss. Okay. Heath, who's your loser? Eli Manning? No, he was the winner. He couldn't be. Giants fans? No.

I mean, there's a lot of fairly inconsequential losers. Isaiah Crowell, obviously. Demarius Thomas. I think that James White and Julian Edelman lost just a little bit. Oh, I've got one for you on that subject. What about Kenny Galladay? Does he lose with the addition of a tight end with Hawkinson going as a top 10 pick eighth overall? Because if you look at Galladay, he was good all year, but in the last six

games, he was on a pace of 155 targets. What was in the last six games? No Marvin Jones, no Golden Tate. Jones back, you add a tight end, you take him eighth overall. Does Kenny Galladay lose?

Jamie? Yeah, a little bit. The ceiling comes down a little bit for him, sure. No, but you're still talking about a guy that is entering his third season, should have the chance to improve as a route runner, improve as a player in the NFL, should command the respect from his own team specifically, but from other teams, which is a negative of being the number one guy. But Hockinson will take away some red zone opportunities.

He'll take away clearly some targets and yards and everything that goes along with that. I think that's their future, though. I think Marvin Jones suffers also, and that's probably the bigger loser of the two if you're just looking at the receivers. Plus, you lose in the passing game from the running backs. So that's why in the carry-on Johnson-Josh Jacobs conversation,

Johnson takes a little bit of a hit because of those short area targets that Hawkinson will command. And it will be interesting to see how much better Hawkinson is than your typical rookie tight end. Right, that was a follow-up question. Or is it just Galladay and Jones are fine this year, Hawkinson has kind of a minimal role, hopefully the start of a good career.

Not role, but role in the passing game. I'm probably going to err on the side of that. Yeah. Right. I agree. I don't think you should. He could still be a top 12 fantasy tight end, Hawkinson. But I don't think you should anticipate him coming in and being one of the elite level guys right away. Oh God, no, no. And I don't think anybody's doing that. It doesn't take

much to finish as a top 12 tight end these days, but it takes a lot to finish as a top four tight end. And Hawkinson is going to be much closer to 12 than he will be to four but if if if you're saying all right can hockinson get to 700 yards and six touchdowns and give me seven weeks of like good enough fantasy production at tight end i i think he's got a shot i think he's i think he's good i think he's pretty polished and i think the lions are just going to be focused on spreading it around and game planning a little bit more than they have been in the past for their opponents, not having Golden Tate on the field or not having a slot receiver on the field opens up the middle of the field for Hawkinson to make an impact.

Last point I'd make is that Galladay didn't score in any of his last five games. No, but the targets were insane. His targets were good, but the scoring wasn't there. How many games did he miss with Jones? Six or half without Jones? Six without Jones or Tate. So he had two games with 98 or more yards with Jones on the field and two without. Let me tell you what his pace was.

His 16-game pace in those six games without Jones or Tate was 83 catches, 1,232 yards, and only three touchdowns on 155 targets. Guys, it's been over— He's getting that many targets. He's scored more than three touchdowns. Yeah, exactly. It's been more than 40 minutes, and we haven't even talked about the number one pick of the draft, Kyler Murray. Taking a real quick break on fantasy football today.

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Yes. Not in a one quarterback week. No. Who are you drafting, Dave? Kyler Murray. When do you draft Josh Jacobs? I mean, I think we kind of answered this, but Dave said a top 50 pick. Does that kind of feel right to Jamie Heath, top 50?

Yeah, round four. Yep, round four. I was going to ask, are you drafting both rookie wide receivers? We answered that. Are you drafting both rookie tight ends? I would take a shot on one of them with a late pick, Hockinson ahead of Pham. Yeah.

A lot of times, and this didn't work at all, but a lot of times last year what I did, if I didn't get one of the top three tight ends, is I would just take Hayden Hurst back-to-back with my last two picks with a veteran like a Kyle Rudolph or somebody. I'm not going to draft Hawkinson or Fant, thinking I'm going to start them out later. No, but would you do what you did last year where you'd take Hawkinson and Jordan Reed?

And then you'd start Jordan Reed, and then if Hawkinson turned out to be something, then good for you. That's almost the strategy I want to use with Kyler Murray. Yeah, I don't want to draft two tight ends or two quarterbacks, so I'll probably pass on all those guys. Okay, and who is the number one rookie? Okay, it's going to be Jacobs, I assume. So who are the top two rookie draft dynasty picks? Jacobs and whoever goes to Tampa Bay tonight. Yeah, I don't think we know the answer to that.

I don't know that the number one pick has been picked yet. If you're forcing me to pick one guy who was taken already, Yeah, I don't think we know the answer to that. I don't know that the number one pick has been picked yet. If you're forcing me to pick one guy who was taken already, I think I would take Hawkinson ahead of the receivers. Number one overall? No, number two overall. Behind Jacobs. Jacobs, Hawkinson.

Yeah, if you're ranking the guys from last night, I agree with Dave. I think it goes Jacobs, Hawkinson. I might go Fant third too. Yeah, that you're ranking the guys from last night, I agree with Dave. I think it goes Jacobs, Hawkinson. I might go Fant third, too. Yeah, that might not be a bad move. Fanter, Hollywood Brown would probably be third. Kyler wouldn't be last. What was I going to say? So, all right, we can move on.

We can move on. We've got to talk about Kyler Murray. All right, first overall pick. Yes. Arizona had the worst offensive line in pass-blocking efficiency last year, according to Pro Football Focus. I went back and I looked at the last 14 quarterbacks who were selected number one overall. That was beginning with Peyton Manning.

And here are the names, and you all know how their careers turned out. Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Jameis Winston, Jared Goff. For the most part, it's a pretty good list. And in recent years... The ones that aren't the good, though, they jump out in a big, big way. They sure do. They sure do. And that would be Tim Couch, David Carr, and Jamarcus Russell. And honestly, we should give Sam Bradford some credit.

I know he's not going to end up having a great career, but he was pretty good. In fact, he was the number 19 quarterback as a rookie. But I did would take his bank account yeah i would take that too um i didn't mention that three of the last i would take almost any of their bank accounts number ones uh three of the last four number ones cam newton andrew luck and james winston were all good as rookies cam newton was the number four quarterback andrew luck was the number eight quarterback and james winston was the number 13 quarterback and he had a much better passer rating than Andrew Luck did. So I don't know. I mean, it's kind of like a number one QB that a lot of people don't seem to think should have been a number one QB. But Jamie, what are your expectations for Kyler Murray

both this year and in a long-term look? I'm nervous based on the small sample size of the one year in college, the talent that he played with in college, that offensive line between this year and next year is going to all get drafted, left tackle or right tackle. As we know, his number one receiver just got drafted in the first round. So he's been playing with some of the best talent in college football in a great system now he's going to be in a great system with arizona the offensive line is better or at least presumably a great system in arizona the offensive line for the cardinals is better but it's not dramatically better and i just wonder how

kyler murray would have fared in this same team a year ago and would he have survived? So I'm, I'm nervous. I, you know, he's, he's clearly still small, you know, that's not going to change. Um, is he, uh, is he going to have initial success? I'm, I'm, I'm hesitant. His, his legs will help his fantasy production. He's got a great arm. Uh, but does he still have enough talent around him in an aging Larry Fitzgerald and an unproven still christian kirk who he has a uh you know clear rapport with um so i i don't necessarily i'm gonna take a wait and see approach with him from a seasonal fantasy uh leagues he's not going to be a top 12 guy for me he's probably not going to be a top 15 guy he'll be on the cusp right there dynasty you have to take him in the first round if you want to get him

because if he does hit, he's going to be a very good fantasy quarterback. But like I said, I'm nervous about that happening. So I just found an article from nj.com, newjersey.com. Three quarterbacks who are only one-year NCAA starters at the FCS level. No, the FBS level. Oh, no, the FBS level. Sorry, the highest level. Mitch Trubisky, Cam Newton, and Mark Sanchez. First-round picks who only started one year.

So that's encouraging, I guess. Two out of three. I don't know. I guess the jury's obviously still out on Trubisky, but two out of three can give you encouragement there. The good and the bad thing about Kyler Murray is the uncertainty, because I do think that he has certain skills that make me think he could be the guy that makes the jump that Baker Mayfield made last year. And all of a sudden, we're looking at dynasty quarterback rankings, which I'm working

on right now. We're looking at that in 2020, kyler murray's a top five guy and some people have him number three like i i don't that's outside of the range of possibilities at all but i also think there's so much uncertainty he could legitimately be bad like it could be one of those situations where we're looking back at this list five years from now and Kyler Murray is the name that stands out because he was just really bad. So I'm not drafting him in redraft. I'm not going to get him in dynasty if you have to use a first-round pick on him. Right now I've got him 17 overall in my rookie rankings. I do think there's enormous upside and almost no floor.

I understand where you're coming from, Heath. I understand where Jamie's coming from, and I think you both have legitimate points. Here's what I want to say. The learning curve for Kyler Murray coming into the NFL is going to be better than any learning curve any rookie quarterback has had in, I don't know. Well, I guess Baker didn't have that much of a learning curve. But he's coming into an offense that he's been playing in his entire collegiate career, and he's played more than one year. Once upon a time, he was at Texas A&M playing for them in 2015, and then he transferred and had to sit out.

And then at Oklahoma, he sat behind Baker, and then last year he played. Cliff Kingsbury has been chasing Kyler Murray since since before then he's known kyler murray since murray was in high school a sophomore in high school this has been a seven-year recruitment for cliff kingsbury to get kyler murray on his team not only that but there are two pass catchers on the cardinals that have already worked with kyler mur before. Christian Kirk and Ricky Seals-Jones, both at Texas A&M, both have caught passes from Kyler Murray. The system's going to be the same. The offensive line scares the crap out of me.

I just don't think that that's going to be even close to as good of a line. But his mobility is good. He's got a great arm. You know he's going to run. Think of this sentence. Kyler Murray is Lamar Jackson with accuracy. I want that on my fantasy team. I will take the chance on that in a redraft league with a late pick,

especially knowing that I can find another late-round quarterback from maybe I'm lucky and it's Carson Wentz or Phillip Rivers. Maybe it's somebody like ben roethlisberger or jimmy g maybe it's tom brady but if i'm gonna wait for a quarterback and i just find myself you know i fall in love with running backs and receivers and tight ends between rounds one through ten and i still need a quarterback i'm gonna take murray and i'm gonna take another quarterback. I'm probably not going to start Murray in week one against the Lions,

although that's not that bad of a matchup. You're not starting him in week one. I don't know. You're not. I am willing to take the late round shot on Kyler Murray with the worst case scenario being, oops, he sucks. I lose a round 10 pick.

I think a lot of people feel the way Dave does, which is exciting. Look, he's going to be a fun player. It's just the next domino clearly is, what are they going to do with Rosen? And hopefully they get something that could turn into a starter for them right away. They kind of played their hand, I think,

which is, first off, what they did to Rosen is just just nasty. The tweet that they sent out before the draft was just disgusting. What was it? What did it say? Josh – something like, he's our guy. He's our guy. Yeah.

Oh, that's not cool. Yeah. So I just wonder, does he step in right away and pick things up to the expectations that you have for him, Dave? I hope he does. You have to wonder a little bit about where he's – does it just come too easy for him? And is he going to prepare the right way that most quarterbacks need to prepare? I think the three answers that you got, Jamie's take, Heath's take, Dave's take, just shows you how polarizing Murray's going to be, and that's great for

fantasy. We want it to be hard. We want it to be stressful. We want it to have a lot of... Not everyone. No, we don't. We're not playing fantasy football to get stressed out. It's a fun stress. It's debate.

You're playing fantasy football to win the league. I think it's great. I think it's great how polarizing it is. You do have to take chances. It's better to take those chances later on draft day than earlier on draft day. Adam's been a Giants fan for a long time, and the last five years have made him forget that football is supposed to be about joy. Wow. Speaking of which, Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins.

I don't think anyone's drafting Daniel Jones. I don't know if anyone's going to draft him in a dynasty. He'll get drafted, but not going to be a lot of drafts. If you have a four-round draft, I think Jones could be drafted. He'll be a round three. He'll be a top 35 rookie-only draft pick. And meanwhile, Haskins also has some polarizing opinions and goes to, right now, a really bad situation. There's not much to like. Jamie, your quick take on Haskins.

I don't know if he's going to be a starter day one. I would not be surprised if they go with either Keenum or McCoy, depending on if all of them make the roster. I expect them that they will because they could give him a redshirt year. It's just a matter of what Washington is thinking. I think Washington had a great draft. If Montez Sweat turns into the player that he was being projected as, which was a top 10 overall pick, then they did a nice job in not having to move up to get Haskins. But Haskins has no weapons. You know, they have to fix that. You know, they need to get some upgrades at the receiving spot.

You know, when you go in with Josh Doxon as your number one guy, Paul Richardson, Trey Quinn, you know, the hope is Jordan Reed is healthy, but it's just not a very attractive situation for him to have fantasy success. He could be a winner. He could clearly help that team turn things around. But, you know, there's not a lot to like about him as a seasonal fantasy quarterback for 2019. Okay, wide receiver and running back, we've more or less covered. Josh Jacobs, 24th overall.

Marquise Brown, 25th overall to Baltimore. Nikhil Harry, 32nd overall to New England. And then the tight ends, TJ Hawkinson, he's the fourth top 10 tight end since 1997. The other three were Kellen Winslow, Vernon Davis, and Eric Ebron. Kellen Winslow career, I don't know, derailed, is that the right word, by falling off the bike. He only played two games in his rookie year. Vernon Davis and Eric Ebron combined for like 500 yards and four touchdowns in 23 games as rookies. So being a top 10 tight end does not mean you're going to have a good rookie season.

Even being a top 10 Lions tight end. But Hawkinson and Fant going 8th and 20th respectively to Detroit and Denver. Are they similar from a long-term perspective, Heath? What is your dynasty take on them? They are very similar from a long-term perspective, Heath? What is your dynasty take on them? They are very similar from a long-term take. I think you could make an argument for ranking them as high as 5 and 6 in dynasty right now. I've got them 8th and 10th in my dynasty tight end rankings as of now. I am not going to be very bullish on them as far as their

rookie season goes just because we've seen like even the best tight ends are often not great their first year so i'm probably going to avoid them most redraft leagues but they are borderline first round picks in rookie only dress dave what does it do do for Matthew Stafford? He had a bad year last year, but he was so injured. And before that, he had been a top 10 quarterback in six of seven seasons. I think it gives him a shot at finishing as a top 15 quarterback. Maybe more if other quarterbacks that are— Stafford's not going to get drafted. But if other quarterbacks fall off

or get hurt that'll help push up stafford even more this is he's a good target not just over the middle he he can roll downfield he's not going to be you know a blazer but he's he's a smooth route runner he's got great hands he's got unique size i tend to gravitate toward tight ends that are like this i don't think the lions drafted him just because he's an NFL-ready blocker. He's an NFL-ready pass catcher, too. That's why he went top 10. Stafford this year will get 600 yards out of Hawkinson. I don't know if it's going to be 700.

I would hope that he would. I think the floor is 605 and the ceiling is 707, something like that. I think he's going gonna be a good contributor to stafford's bottom line okay uh and then on the offensive line we had cincinnati take jonah williams offensive tackle out of alabama 11th overall atlanta took like i mentioned guard chris lindstrom and tackle caleb mcgary minnesota uh mentioned them as a winner. They got center Garrett Bradbury, 18th overall. The Eagles selected Washington State offensive tackle Andre Dillard, 22nd overall. Great pick.

And that's more of a long-term thing, right? Well, usually those picks are made with the long-term in mind, and then something happens and they end up playing pretty quickly. That's Jason Peters replacement. Yes, no question. It's, it was,

and they jumped right in front of you this year, right? Not this year until Jason Peters gets hurt, right? Which I mean, no one's going to rule that out as a possibility. Texans. I don't know what they were thinking.

Okay. Then Titus Howard out of Alabama state. He was a high school quarterback. Yes, he is. He could be, he could be a beast. I mean, he could be the best left tackle in this draft or best offensive lineman in this draft,

but he could also be a flop in that league. Well, they had one of the worst lines in football, if not the worst line of football last year. Yeah, there's a chance this guy could legitimately be Chantrell Henderson. And that's your offensive line selections. It was obviously a draft that was dominated by defense. We've got a few minutes left if you guys just want to talk shop.

Well, I think we should talk Fant a little bit more. I agree. We spent a lot of time on Hawkinson. Fant is more of a move tight end. He's a little bit more of a receiver-ish type of guy, not that he's a better receiver than Hawkinson. I mean, you can argue that he is, but just in terms of the way he plays but he's going to a quarterback that loves throwing the tight ends and a team that really needs somebody you know they they could talk all they want to

about you know hiremen still being the guy and um you know however they want to you know use jake bud if he's healthy but they didn't make the move to to get fan to not play him and so this is a receiving core that's clearly in transition you know you, you have the hope of what Cortland Sutton and Deshaun Hamilton could be. And if Emmanuel Sanders can come back at the same level off the Achilles injury. But this guy could be a playmaker from day one. It would not be a surprise if he's better than Hawkinson, not just this year, but long term. I think there's a chance long term he could be better, too.

I think the Broncos are sick and tired of seeing the Chiefs and Chargers have all the fun at tight end and the Raiders last year with Jared Cook, and they didn't want the Raiders to get Noah Fant. They wanted somebody like this. I am concerned about how quickly he will be up to speed to the NFL level. There were things that I didn't like about him in college. He was slow off the snap. There was a couple plays where it looked like he didn't even know what the play was.

There was one that resulted in a turnover for Iowa. But his skill set, for fantasy purposes, for a guy as a passer, he's a receiver. He's not a blocker. I don't think he's going to be a very good blocker. He's going to be, just like Jamie said, a move tight end. And if the Broncos can develop him and refine everything about his game from route running to just awareness, he's going to be a good one. Okay. And Pete Prisco reading his grades.

He makes Joe Flacco a number one quarterback for sure. Probably higher than Flacco. Is Joe Flacco a bigger winner than Eli? Yes. probably higher than fucking blacko a bitter bigger winner than eli yes okay it's obvious that like the giants are going to just they might be top three in rush attempts like dave gettleman has come in two years he has signed a left tackle drafted a left guard traded for a right guard drafted a running back with the fourth overall pick, and tried to now shore up their run defense. They are going to be a ground and pound team. It was actually a little surprising that they didn't,

and I know Jawan Taylor's got a knee issue that he's apparently dealing with, but it was a little surprising that when they moved back into the first round to take Baker, that they didn't take Taylor or Ford, the two best offensive linemen, at least on paper, that were still remaining, because that would have just given them the right tackle, and then it just goes with the formula of what you just laid out. Right.

They still have a lot of picks left. They can move up for one of those guys today if they wanted to. Maybe. I just wanted to say that Christian Wilkins got the best draft grade from Pete Prisco. This is my favorite pick of the entire draft so far. That was 13th overall. He's a great player. He's a pro bowler.

Yeah, the Dolphins have not taken a quarterback. I wonder if Josh Rosen ends up there. I don't know how a team does not just... If you get him for a third round pick, they paid the majority of the money. This is a top 10 talent from a year ago. Whatever you think of him, at least that's what another NFL team thought of him. He was

clearly going to get the first round in 2018. And you could get him for nothing. And you can move on from him. It's befuddling. I don't get it. Do you think he'll be on the Dolphins? If I'm Miami, I'm taking as many chances at that position as I can cheap.

Like, I would try and get Will Greer if I can, if you can't get Josh Rosen. I would try and get Josh Rosen because they didn't have to spend the capital to get one of the top three guys yesterday. They didn't have to move up. They didn't like Haskins. They didn't want to take Locke. I mean, if you get the chance to get somebody that's still considered a potential starting quarterback in the NFL without spending a first-round pick on them, they've done what they needed to do. Now go out and do something else to improve your chances.

Chad O'Shea mentioned that the two things that he looks for in a quarterback are arm strength and intelligence. And the Rosen gives them that stuff. And he's fairly accurate too. He just had a really bad year on one of the worst offenses that you'll ever see. And if you can get them for a second-round pick in 2020, is it really going to be a third-round pick in 2019?

Hell, man, Miami should just give up their second-round pick tonight to get Josh Rowe. You may not have to, though. You may just give him a third-round pick. I mean, they painted themselves in such a corner. Whatever it is. Right, you're right. Well, I think that's what's going to take so long

is people are acting like they painted themselves in a corner, and the Cardinals are like, no, we didn't. Well, that becomes worse then because if they don't get a round three pick, at least a round three pick this year, or let's say a round two pick next year, are they going to go to camp with both guys? Because Rosen could beat him out. Yeah. Then they look so stupid. That would be such a toxic situation. Chad O'Shea, by the way,

is who Dave mentioned. That is the Dolphins offensive coordinator. And we are done. We will be back on Monday to recap the rest of the draft. There will be a lot of wide receiver talk, so get ready for it. Thank you so much for listening. Have a great weekend. Enjoy the rest of the draft. Watch it on

CBS Sports HQ. And for Dave, Jamie, and Heath, I'm Adam. We'll talk to you Monday. Na for Dave, Jamie, and Heath, I'm Adam. We'll talk to you Monday. Na, na, na, na, na, na, na.