Fantasy Football Today - 05/02: Rookie-Only Draft; NFL Veteran Winners/Losers (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 2, 2019

We'll draft 36 rookies today, but first we're introducing you to the newest member of our crew, Ben Gretch! Ben joins us to give some NFL veteran winners (3:00) and losers (22:30) after the NFL Draft.... Is Marcus Mariota a winner? Is David Johnson a winner? How do we feel about Lamar Miller vs. Miles Sanders? ... Losers include Larry Fitzgerald and Mike Davis, but what about Corey Davis? What about Dante Pettis and Christian Kirk? ... It's time for our rookie-only draft (30:00)! There's some debate about who should be taken first. We give you three rounds of rookies, and then we give you some Game of Thrones talk (45:00) before getting back to the rookie draft (50:00) and finishing with your Fantasy questions ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Here we go! If you still draft quarterbacks in round one, we're here to help. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Egan. Alright, welcome to the show. It is Thursday. This is Fantasy Football Today.
Starting point is 00:00:23 We got a rookie-only draft coming up, and we're excited about it, but I'm very nervous today because we have two guests in the studio, one you're going to be hearing a lot of. Dave Richard, why don't you tell us who's here today? Well, Jamie Eisenberg is here. Yay, Jamie! Welcome, Jamie. Nice to meet you. We've got Ben Gretsch. He's our new editor. Is that the official title? Is editor or is there something cooler to it besides editor? I think fantasy editor was what I was told.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Fantasy editor. But look forward to your contributions because you're not just some guy who's reading our stuff and making sure names are spelled right. You've got a great background in fantasy and some really great ideas, and I'm looking forward to working with you and having you here on the podcast. So welcome. Awesome. Yeah, I mean, I'm really excited as well. It's been a fun couple days down here visiting you guys, getting to know you guys a little bit personally, and really looking forward to the season as well. We also have Brian in the studio. Brian has been a fan of the podcast since 2005. Adam, that predates you.
Starting point is 00:01:24 Really? No way. He's been a fan since before then yes you guys like barely had a show back then we we were a two-man operation in a dirty radio studio but it managed to uh evolve into this now and brian is here sitting in on the podcast today i would love to dig up one of those shows would you they were rushed as hell because we i don't i think we had a limit of like 40 minutes so like we would go and do no long no we were like 40 it was like 45 minutes we had to get through 16 games we were only going like once or twice a week i mean brian you're the expert on this you're our historian apparently yeah and it was the um you had the video side and the podcast side back then too
Starting point is 00:02:06 and they were the same i'm pretty sure they were the same thing for a while that you were you were recording videos um at the same time for those okay so that wasn't 2005 then that was more like 2000 and i didn't start till 2006 right okay oh that's a good point so then 2000 maybe 10 something like that who Who the hell knows? But he's been around for a long time. Welcome. All right. Welcome, Brian.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Thank you so much for listening. That is really awesome. And now you get to see it in action. So we are going to start with an email. We're going to talk about NFL veterans that were winners or losers from the NFL draft and then get into the rookie draft and read some emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Ben, we'll find out more about you in a little bit. We want to know how you feel about Jerry Maguire, and if it's a football movie, that's the most important thing.
Starting point is 00:02:53 But this email is from Jason from OKC. Hey, gray, round, flat, and gummy. Now, Ben, this is your first chance to guess the greeting. Hey, gray, round, flat, and gummy. What do those four have in common? Gray, round, flat, and gummy. Yeah. Gummy gives it away.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Bears? No. Close. Yes. Close. They are worms. They are worms. And, Jamie, we will probably talk about gray worm at the end of the show.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Can Marcus Mariota be a deep sleeper this year with all the weapons he has around him? That is a question from Jason. Can Marcus Mariota be a deep sleeper this year? Guys, what do you think? I guess by definition of deep sleeper, yes. But you're not going to draft him in one quarterback league. It just doesn't make sense. No, I don't think the sum of his parts
Starting point is 00:03:45 makes him a great fantasy quarterback, not to mention the fact that I don't know how reliable he is to play 16 games. Yeah, I'm really buying that he has all these weapons around him, unless A.J. Brown's really good. He's got decent weapons, I guess. He is good. He's a polished slot receiver.
Starting point is 00:04:01 It's just a matter of whether or not the Titans give him the opportunity to be good. Okay, well, thank you for the email. email. Go ahead, Ben. I'm sorry. I was just going to say, I think the one argument, if you want to make a counter-argument for Mariota, is just that their pass volume has probably got to come up this year. It was extremely, extremely low last year
Starting point is 00:04:17 with Mariota's injuries and some Matt Castle mixed in there, but I tend to agree as well. Ben and I are still working on our chemistry that's why i interrupted him ben how about you give us a winner or two an nfl veteran that you think is a winner after the nfl draft i think ronald jones is a big one um i know he's been talked a lot and talked about a lot and he's obviously not like a long-term veteran but uh second round pick last year was one of the youngest uh i think it was the youngest rookie running back last year uh in in the in the draft and you know obviously had a very disappointing
Starting point is 00:04:50 first uh first season last year but uh the fact that tim pavay didn't invest again at uh running back is is pretty promising for for him looking forward to 2019 yeah he lasted we did a draft yesterday i won't spoil it it's going to be out in a magazine publication jamie you can give the details on that but jones went pretty late i took him and it's just he was probably the last starting assuming he's the starter starting running back to go be my guess nobody's where did peyton barber go before him. Yeah. You know Peyton Barber's not that good. Why would you take him before Jones? Wouldn't you rather gamble on the unknown?
Starting point is 00:05:31 I guess. It depends. It's like the Lamar Miller argument, safety over upside. So Peyton Barber is probably safer. I was looking at this recently about – I just went and found the article again, what Bruce Arians said about Peyton Barber, because he's been talking about both guys. I mean, rightfully so,
Starting point is 00:05:47 which is kind of the situation that they're in. I'm sure when he joins us, he'll tell you his favorite guy is Bruce Anderson, who's a guy that they signed off the street and is a Tampa local. You want to hope for the Philip Lindsay comparison, Denver product who played at Colorado and is now starting running back for the Broncos, that could easily happen.
Starting point is 00:06:08 But it sounds as if it's going to be an open competition. If Ronald Jones plays to what he showed in college and lives up to some of the potential that he had, he should blow away Peyton Barber. But Peyton Barber is just kind of that steady Eddie type of guy that gets the job done, does the right thing. And if he does that in Bruce Arians offense, he could be a decent fantasy option.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Yeah. But it's, yeah, it's not sexy, but no, but it's bad. It's not just not sexy. It's bad.
Starting point is 00:06:37 He's bad. He's, he's not a good player. Like he's, maybe he just needs to be in a better offense. You know, maybe Bruce Arians will unlock some potential, but Peyton Barber is, is as jaggy as it gets.
Starting point is 00:06:48 And he doesn't catch passes. But in that same sense, if he's not that good, what does that make Ronald Jones if he doesn't play well? And Ronald Jones did not look great as a pass catcher last year either. I mean, I definitely get what Jamie's saying. Literally won. Yeah, I mean, i definitely get what jamie's saying literally one one uh yeah i mean i definitely get what jamie's saying and i think uh payton barber is a pretty solid value too i mean the reality is no running backs for this team a bruce arian's offense are being drafted anywhere you know resembling a starting running back spot so i think both are worthwhile investments heard a hot rumor yesterday that they're one of the
Starting point is 00:07:23 teams talking to cle about Duke Johnson. Well, that's been the case for a while. Okay, and that Gerald McCoy is who they're offering. You've heard that? That would be so stupid if that's the case. Gerald McCoy straight up for Duke Johnson. Yeah, I don't know if I like that either. It would give the Bucs cap relief.
Starting point is 00:07:37 That's pretty much the strength of the deal. Right, right. Okay, more winners that we got. I don't care who speaks. I mean, Mariota, to me, was kind of a winner. I mean, I think A.J. Brown is a pretty talented receiver. He was my number two receiver pre-draft. I do think that the fact they only threw, I believe, 437 passes last year,
Starting point is 00:07:59 second fewest in the league. It was also the second fewest over the last five years because teams just typically don't throw fewer than 450 passes. So I do expect that just by natural regression to bump up a little bit. I hated the fit, though, for the Titans just because signing Adam Humphreys, you have to play him in the slot. He can't play outside. So A.J. Brown, I agree with you. I think he profiles so much better as a slot receiver. He did play outside, obviously, when Metcalf got hurt, so he can do it. But his strength would be to play
Starting point is 00:08:27 in the slot. And it just feels like Tennessee Tennessee just feels like one of those teams that's going to ruin prospects. It took them so long to finally get Derrick Henry right last year, figure out their blocking, getting him the right touches in the right situation. And you saw what he could potentially become. I feel like A.J. Brown is going to be limited in this
Starting point is 00:08:43 offense. Plus, you wonder if Mariota does get hurt and now they should have a capable backup. If Tannehill does play to what his peak has been, does Mariota come back on the field knowing that he may not eventually be the long-term starter there? So I agree with what you're saying. And you know what? Who's our worm fan? Jason from OKC. It speaks to what Mariota could potentially become. agree with what you're saying and like you know what uh who's our worm fan um jason from okc right you know it it it speaks to what mariota could potentially become you just have to hopefully all these parts work together right and and uh to your point about tennessee as a team mike
Starting point is 00:09:17 vrabel defensive minded head coach definitely showed last year when they got into good game scripts the willingness to just run the ball, take the air out of the ball. So the idea that their past attempts will jump up is not really guaranteed. They might still fall way down at the bottom of the league again in 2019. It's also a weird offensive coordinator too with Arthur Smith. Yeah, I hate it. It's my least favorite offensive coordinator. I will say it's a fascinating story though. He's the son of the FedEx founder.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Yes. Who's been with the Titans for like a decade. I just happen to, being in Nashville, hear a lot about the team, clearly. He's survived four different coaching regimes. Wow. Pretty impressive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:55 So some of the winners that we've already talked about are like Mark Ingram, Lamar Jackson to a degree. Well, not Lamar Jackson. Devante Freeman's a big one for me. Joe Mixon, I think Jamie mentioned on Friday's show. So we've covered them. We haven't covered Lamar Miller yet.
Starting point is 00:10:13 And is Lamar Miller the big winner? Is Deontay Foreman the big winner? What's the running back situation as you read it in Houston, guys? I think reluctantly Lamar Miller is a winner because no one's going to be that excited to draft him, but the coaches like him. It's clear. They've had chances over the last two years.
Starting point is 00:10:34 They've had chances over the last two years to replace him. They replaced him during the season, though, from time to time. Yeah, and that guy who they used to replace him isn't on the team anymore, and they didn't replace him. Now, if you want to talk about undrafted running backs or late-round running backs, they got Karan Higdon from Michigan. guy who they used to replace him isn't on the team anymore and they didn't replace him now they if you want to talk about undrafted running backs or late round running backs they got karan higdon from michigan maybe he turns into something maybe they're banking on deontay foreman now a year removed from the achilles being in good shape but he's gonna enter training camp as the lead back in
Starting point is 00:11:01 houston i wouldn't be excited to draft him unless it's round six and I'm desperate for a running back. Man. Because I – yeah, again, I don't want to give away too much of the draft that we did yesterday. But I was faced with that predicament of do I draft Lamar Miller, and he was at a really good value. And, Jamie, I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say.
Starting point is 00:11:23 I mean, you could talk and you can be generic. We just don't want to give away the draft that we're putting in a maxi. Yeah, I took Miles Sanders over Lamar Miller. That's the last thing I'll say about the draft, I promise. And I don't have a problem with that. I mean, you know, again, you're talking the same thing with the with the Bucs. It's upside versus safety. You know what Lamar Miller is going to give you. And if things just all of a sudden click with their I'm using air quotes here, revamped offensive line because they made some questionable draft choices about their picks. If that happens to help, then he could maybe hit his ceiling. But we're talking about a guy that's closing in on 30, that is productive, but productive to an extent, and in an offense that, you know, can easily get away from leaning on the run.
Starting point is 00:12:09 So if Miles Sanders can somehow become the lead back in Philly, and when I say that I mean keeping Jordan Howard off the field playing on all three downs, which is just not a Doug Peterson thing, then he should blow Lamar Miller out of the water. But it's just a question of that's kind of why they're in the same range. I mean I have them almost back-to-back again, and I would say Lamar Miller is the safer of the two. Miles Sanders is the one with the arrow pointing upside. Safer, but to your point, he might hit a ceiling,
Starting point is 00:12:29 but what is Lamar Miller's ceiling? I mean, it's not probably an RB1 season. It's probably maybe a high-end RB2 season. And we kind of saw last year it was that season for Lamar Miller. He didn't get threatened a ton. So there is that increased risk this year that if Deontay Foreman is in better shape i mean he was a phenomenal college player that achilles is obviously a very difficult injury to come back from but uh yeah i mean lamar miller not sexy at all right nope he's b arthur four games last year with 15 or more ppr points so ben 14 ben would you take
Starting point is 00:13:00 eagles rookie running back miles sanders or veteran running back Lamar Miller? I mean, I'd take Sanders. I'd take the unknown. I think there's value in that. Just we don't know. And there's some inherent upside in that with pretty much any rookie. There's players that we don't think are good sometimes. Some years, and then they end up being very, very good.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Guys come out of nowhere. I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's going to be the situation with mile sanders and i don't really love his situation either because of the way that they've used the committee in philadelphia for several years now yeah um i think they will split those touches quite a bit so i think both those guys don't have a great upside frankly i think with miller it's one of those scenarios in both these guys if you have two solid running backs take the chance on sanders you have two solid running backs take the chance on sanders you have two questionable running backs you take miller because you just have to sort of balance your team you know you know lamar miller's not going to hurt you i mean what was the the line we always say it's seven eight points for him in standard and non-people are yeah yeah so you you
Starting point is 00:13:59 know that's not going to crush your team on the weekly base now sanders could be one of those guys that gets you two or three because they just don't use him, and we don't know. So it's kind of just the way your team starts with those first five or six picks. Yeah, and Philadelphia, they do obviously spread the ball around with their carries. But at one point last year, I think they just sort of had enough, and they gave Josh Adams like 20 carries. Back-to-back games, I want to say. That's not their track record, but it's a possibility if he's just so much better than everyone else. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Because he's not that good. He's not a three-down back. That's part of the problem. You know, you hear what Howie Roseman is saying, the GM of the Eagles, that this is the first three-down back, really, that they've had in God knows how many years. It probably says McCoy. So they've been searching for this. You know, the Jay Ajayi trade, the Jordan Howard trade, you know, taking Adams off the scrap heap, you know, it's just they're trying to find something to have some success from that position.
Starting point is 00:14:52 And while Doug Peterson may not want to use one guy, it may be out of necessity that he never had one guy. So if this is the guy, he could be a star. And that last thing I'll say is I took Sanders over Miller. i do not expect sanders to be better than miller for the first i don't know six weeks of the season i'm hoping that that's a type that's a type of pick that pays off down the stretch and into the fantasy playoff i mean what you're hoping is that he's he's alvin camara i mean you're hoping he comes into a combo and i'll take that that's an absurd of course that's an absurd comp but you're hoping he comes into a situation where veterans are present and there is a little bit of a uh um a
Starting point is 00:15:31 split in the backfield but he is that good and that dynamic that he just makes his imprint on the offense maybe not exactly like camara but has that type of impact where it's clear that he's so good he's going to get touches every week um but again that's the really really high ceiling forget about skill set if you just want to go with what the bear said three cone you know 170 touches over the course of the season if you give miles sanders that maybe he has a chance to be a decent fancy option not again to what three cohen produced because i think cohen's clearly a different running back different style but if you give sanders 170 total touches he's going to have a chance to put up with good numbers all right right, Jamie, who else won after the draft?
Starting point is 00:16:06 Veteran-wise that we haven't talked about? Yeah. Or Dave. Geronimo Allison. Yes. Not that I talk about him a lot, to be honest. Look, the Packers, I didn't expect them to add a receiver. I thought tight end was the route they were going to go.
Starting point is 00:16:20 That's what they did. They added Jay Sternberger. Losing Randall Cobb. They're going to be creative with their slot position, whether it's moving Devonta Adams or a little bit more is what they did. They added Jay Sternberger. Losing Randall Cobb, they're going to be creative with their slot position, whether it's moving Devonta Adams there a little bit more, which is what they talked about, or maybe even Allison in that spot to get a bigger slot receiver. It's going to be an opportunity for him, if he stays healthy,
Starting point is 00:16:34 to put up big numbers. You saw it over the first four games last season. He was on pace for over 1,000 yards receiving. I forget what the touchdowns were. Probably eight touchdowns would be my guess. And Aaron Rodgers seems to like him. So I expect one of the three young kids to step up, whether it's – I'm never going to say their names, but MSV, ESB, or Jamon Moore. MVS.
Starting point is 00:16:57 You didn't even get the initials. Whatever. You know who I'm talking about. One of the three kids to step up. Someone from the alphabet soup. Right. Again, I referenced this a few times. I talked to Devontae Adams at the Pro Bowl.
Starting point is 00:17:09 He's excited that at the time they weren't sure about Allison's status because he was a restricted free agent. But he was hoping that they brought them back. He was pretty honest at that point. He said Randall Cobb is probably gone. And he said it. He's like, we need one of the younger guys to help us out. And whoever that may be, again, Valdez-Gantling looks to be the most polished of the trio based on what we saw last year.
Starting point is 00:17:28 But one of those guys is going to get an opportunity. But I still think Allison, in this role, in this Packers offense with Matt LaFleur now the coach, hopefully being a little bit more creative than what we saw from Mike McCarthy, just run, turn around, and hope Aaron Rodgers finds you. It could be a big season for him.
Starting point is 00:17:43 I won't use the expletive I said to you when you drafted him four picks before me, but I hate you. Dave, give me a winner. This is a hot take. Damian Williams won. He won, but I wonder if you're discounting Carlos Hyde. I'm not ready to say his job is in jeopardy because they spent a six-round pick on Darwin Thompson. I like Darwin Thompson, too. No, his job is in jeopardy because they spent a six-round pick on Darwin Thompson.
Starting point is 00:18:06 I like Darwin Thompson. No, his job is in jeopardy because they traded for Carlos Hyde. Or they signed Carlos Hyde. They signed Carlos Hyde. I think he's good depth. I think Darwin Thompson can probably fit in potentially on third downs as a receiver. To me, that was his best skill set was his hands.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Which is what the Chiefs like what they're running back right sure but that's something damian williams proved to be very adept at when they gave him the opportunity i think he's going to begin the season as the starter oh great and it's just a matter of how well he hangs in there in the first three or four weeks and if he does half as well as he did last season he's going to be in there all 16 weeks that's probably fair i. He was very good last year when he got the opportunity. You can't expect him on pace for
Starting point is 00:18:49 27 touchdowns or something like that. I'm going to take the under there. They added me, Cole Hardman, which is someone that can take the top off the defense. And also take touches in the back. They could, yeah. 30 over the course of the season? 30 or 40 over the course of the season? It or 40 over the course of the season.
Starting point is 00:19:05 It's still another guy to feed. These two guys don't negate Damian Williams for me. I'm still happy to take him and shoot. In our drafts, I bet I can find him in round four because so many people in our league don't like him. Well, in our drafts with our colleagues, yes, because you're the only one that says gung-ho about him as you are. I think Damian Williams is going to have to prove himself. So I'm going to take a little bit more cautious approach. I would much rather take the value on Hyde with a mid-round pick
Starting point is 00:19:29 or Thompson with a late-round pick. Okay. And for me, I'm not saying I drafted these guys, but just thinking about them in the draft that we did yesterday, what happened in the NFL draft solidifies Devontae Adams. Not that a wide receiver was ever really going to take targets too many from him, but personally I don't see why Devontae Adams
Starting point is 00:19:49 shouldn't be at worst the number two wide receiver off the board. He led the NFL in red zone targets last year. Aaron Rodgers more or less always has one of his wide receivers in the top four in red zone targets. And Travis Kelsey, it's really, it's not the Hardman thing,
Starting point is 00:20:05 it's the Tyreek Hill thing. Travis Kelsey, he was the number eight wide receiver in fantasy last year and obviously the number one tight end. And I just think his role is, I think he can be as good as he was last year based on the draft and based on the Tyreek Hill thing. How about this for kind of an off-the-wall winner? David Johnson. I mean, I haven't heard a lot talked about him,
Starting point is 00:20:27 but with Kyler Murray obviously coming in, two really good young receivers they added to Christian Kirk. I mean, I think that passing game will be significantly better this year, especially with Cliff Kingsbury running that offense. The offense was just really poorly run last year. They ran David Johnson up the middle a ton. They wouldn't split him out wide, which was so successful back in 2016 uh we can already probably expect that they'll use him better just by nature of him not it's kind of like the jeff fisher rule where after fisher left the rams todd girley got
Starting point is 00:20:54 used a lot differently and it was very very helpful for him just by by nature of david johnson not being used like he was used last year which i think was probably the worst way to use a weapon like him. It should be a lot better situation for him, but they added so many pieces now to the passing game. I mean, I'm pretty optimistic about David Johnson now. It's going to be interesting with this Kingsbury offense because he's so used to the wider field. And so how the shrinking a little bit will sort of impact how they go side to side. You know, he's already talking about, I think Isabella was saying yesterday or two days ago about how we're going to use him side to side.
Starting point is 00:21:27 It's just going to be interesting to see how, you know. How that fits. Yeah, and going against, you know, a lot more speed. It could either be really successful or he could be a one-year flop. Yeah, and the hash mark, the field isn't any wider. Obviously, Jamie knows this, but just in case you don't, the hash marks are wider on the college football field. So the ball football field, so the ball is snapped more towards the sideline.
Starting point is 00:21:50 And I think that's because the college quarterbacks can't make the same types of sideline throws as the NFL quarterbacks, so they give them a shorter sideline. But it's game-playing. Yeah, it does give you this big, wide side of the field. It changes things a little bit. All right, we've got to get some losers, too. I just want to tell everybody about Sportsline.com. Sportsline. Use the promo
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Starting point is 00:22:56 Yes. Draftable, yes. And actually, he could fall into a decent value. But he, like, he didn't do, he hasn't done anything. He's nothing but pedigree. He had like a good five game stretch. To Ben's point, you had a quarterback
Starting point is 00:23:10 playing with nerve issue and then an elbow issue. And so the hope would be, and it's hope. I mean, because look, Davis has been a failure. He probably shouldn't have been a top 10 overall pick three years ago. But this is the season. We talk about this all the time. Third year receivers. This is the year he's got to take that next step forward hopefully
Starting point is 00:23:28 he does um hopefully there's a little bit more pressure off of him because of the addition of aj brown and adam humphries and a healthy delaney walker is he ever going to develop into a true number one dynamic star probably not with this team but i i think you know to say he's not draftable is a little bit ridiculous. I mean, he did flash that number one ability a couple times last year. I mean, against the Eagles, I think it was the overtime game. He scored the game winner. The playoff game two years ago against the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:23:52 Yeah, I mean, he's had those moments, and then like we said, the Titans have had some really weird game script games a couple of times over the last couple of years where they've just kind of taken the air out of the ball. That's impacted his ability to be consistent in a fantasy sense, in the box score sense. Yeah, he definitely has to be more consistent to take that step, but I think he has the skill set. He's shown it at times, so it's still very possible.
Starting point is 00:24:13 He's not one of my favorite receivers this year necessarily, especially with them adding two other interesting receiving pieces. But the argument again, if Tennessee throws a little bit more this year he he could definitely break out in his third season like like jamie said all right fair enough i somebody has to draft cory davis it's not i'm not going to be that person but would you do it in round 10 maybe i mean just to stash on your bench Tennessee wide receiver would you draft first davis still davis yeah yep okay uh who else lost Which Tennessee wide receiver would you draft first? Davis. Still Davis. Yep.
Starting point is 00:24:47 Okay. Who else lost? Mike Davis. Mike Davis looked like he might actually be an interesting running back piece, but the Bears, with no picks really at all, still decided to trade up and grab David Montgomery, and that's not a great sign for Mike Davis. He's no longer relevant. Who else lost?
Starting point is 00:25:05 Here's a hot take. Hot take number two for me. Todd Gurley lost. Yes, now there's a report that... Well, not a report. Their coach said they're going to use more two-back sets. Yeah, it's... I think that was all the evidence we needed that we're not going to see the same workload for Todd Gurley this year.
Starting point is 00:25:21 I mean, there was already a concern, obviously, with the knee, but that was pretty clear evidence that the Rams are taking that very seriously, and they're probably going to limit his workload this year. And Henderson's going to end up being a hot fantasy pick in the back half of drafts. After what C.J. Anderson did to close last year, why wouldn't he? And it's not just that. Even if Gurley's healthy, this guy's going to have a role. And he's got speed he can catch out
Starting point is 00:25:45 of the backfield and Sean McVay is creative there's there's going to be games where he's the problem is he's going to have some good games you're just not going to know when they're going to happen so putting them in your lineup it's it's going to be like one of those situations where crap I'm I'm short on running backs this week he's on my bench I'm going to put him in probably better best ball pick than than weekly lineups pick. Sure. He probably will get the TDs in a good offense, you know, occasionally, sporadically, and a few big plays like you said. Right, until the Rams run out of Ben Gay and Gurley's arthritis acts up and then he's out.
Starting point is 00:26:17 And then we've got Daryl Henderson as the starter. And then he'll work with Malcolm Brown. They're not going to have Malcolm Brown as the lead back when they've got daryl henderson those two might split fitty-fitty but they're they're going to make good use of henderson interested to see where henderson goes in our dynasty draft which we will do very shortly um because you know there'll be a first round pick well he's he is still stuck behind todd girley let's not forget that you know um all right we got we got a little give me one more loser we're gonna get heath in here and um we'll have him step in for uh for ben and do the rookie draft with us is it exciting to say larry fitzgerald is a loser no we are i think we already talked about that
Starting point is 00:26:58 okay anyone else i was gonna say him and christ Kirk, obviously. I mean, they added two good receiving weapons there. I do like that Kirk and Ricky Seals-Jones, they've both worked with Kyler Murray in the past. They know what this offense entails. So I'm not ready to drop Christian Kirk in my ranking. Question for Ben, then. If you think Christian Kirk is a loser, do you also feel that way about dante pettis uh i yes his value takes a little bit of a hit but i don't think it's
Starting point is 00:27:32 it's horrible the issue with san francisco to me is it's just going to be really hard to tell like there's going to be an extremely difficult team to project who's going to get the the work i think they'll probably rotate a lot i'm not super super high on pettis personally i mean he flashed definitely in his rookie season but um i think this'll probably rotate a lot i'm not super super high on pettis personally i mean he flashed definitely in his rookie season but um i think this is an offense that will probably wind up spreading the ball around quite a bit this year and obviously their number one receiver is their tight end george kittle so that impacts the ceiling for a guy like pettis or anybody in their receiving
Starting point is 00:27:59 court i feel the same way about pettis and kirk i think they both lose slightly i think you know you you looked at what their scenarios were prior to the draft and they had, I don't want to say immense upside, but they had a ton of upside just given their roles. And then you see both teams go out and get two other receiving options for the most part, relatively early in the draft. And so the, the, the herd pick by San Francisco is going to be a little bit of a weird one because, you know, I think we talked about this. They're planning to to be a little bit of a weird one because I think we talked about this. They're planning to use him a little bit at tight end. He's a hybrid type of player.
Starting point is 00:28:32 But I think Debo Samuel is going to unfortunately move Pettis around where he should still be good but just not maybe as great, like similar to A.J. Brown. I think Dante Pettis' best asset is to probably be in the slot. And then you look at Kirk, same thing. But you have Fitzgerald still going to play. I don't think they're kicking Fitzgerald off the field by any stretch, and so you're adding these two other guys in Isabella and Butler, and so that's going to hurt those guys as well.
Starting point is 00:28:51 So it's just not maximizing what their ceiling could be for those two guys. They still should be, at least in Pettis' case, the best receiver on the team, but where he could have been without these moves. Now, you knew they were going to add somebody, but without these moves, because they're still going to play Marquis Goodwin too, it's going to hurt those guys just to where, again, their maximum potential could come from. All right, Ben.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Nice debut. Solid debut. Good stuff. Now, is Jerry Maguire a football movie? Very important question. How is that even a question? It's very clear. It's obviously not a football movie, right?
Starting point is 00:29:22 Thank you, Ben. No, how is it a football movie? There's no football in it, Ben. There's really almost no football. There actually is football. There's very little. I remember touchdown dances in the stadium. Very little.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Yeah, and what else? What other football scenes do you remember? I mean, it's a movie about a football agent. It's very clearly a football movie. It's about his love life, though. It's not about football. Ben, you've just experienced the good and bad of Adam. Good at hosting a football
Starting point is 00:29:47 podcast. Terrible at anything else. Alright, Ben. Thanks for coming on, man. It was great to hear from you and it will not be the last time. We'll hear from you again soon. Thanks so much for being on the show. Yeah, definitely. Thanks for having me on, guys. Alright, we're going to get Heath Cummings on now. We got our rookie draft. So pretend you're in
Starting point is 00:30:03 a Dynasty League. You've got your squad and you're drafting only rookies. How many picks should we do, guys? 30? 36? 36. Okay. Who wants the first pick? It doesn't matter. We're all going to take this. Actually, we won't take this. So, Heath, people
Starting point is 00:30:19 are disagreeing on who's the first pick, right? Yes. As of yesterday yesterday there were 22 people that have post-draft rookie rankings on fantasy pros there were five different number ones i think we only have two different number ones in this room oh okay well then i'll go first and i'll just take Josh Jacobs, number one. Who disagrees with that? I have David Montgomery, number one.
Starting point is 00:30:51 Okay. All right. So, Heath, you can pick second. I'll take David Montgomery. Okay. Dave? Miles Sanders would be third for me. Jamie?
Starting point is 00:31:04 I'll take Nikhil Harry. Damn it. And I think that that's – I don't think it's a slam dunk that running back is going to be the first three picks off the board in a rookie-only draft. There could be some Nikhil Harry up there, maybe some Marquise Brown, the occasional TJ Hawkinson. But I think that you'll see that in the majority of leagues. And then that makes the number four spot really, really tricky because I don't think there's a consensus number four. Well, so we've got Josh Jacobs, David Montgomery, Miles Sanders, three running backs, then Patriots wide receiver Nikhil Harry.
Starting point is 00:31:37 What I think we should do is we should each say what our top four is for a rookie-only draft. That's my top four. In that order, Jacobs, Montgomery, Sanders, Harry. Yep. And mine is Jacobs, Montgomery, Sanders, Paris Campbell. Mine is Montgomery, Jacobs, DK, Metcalf, Harry. Mine is definitely Jacobs, Montgomery, Sanders, and then I do struggle between Harry, Hawkinson, and Marquise Brown.
Starting point is 00:32:02 I guess Nikhil Harry makes sense. I'll take Marquise Brown. I guess Nikhil Harry makes sense. I'll take... I will take Marquise Brown fifth. Ravens wide receiver first round pick. Heath, you're up with the sixth pick. I will take DK Medcalf, my number three player. Ooh. Yeah, I like that.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Dave? I'm a Paris Campbell guy. I think he's the safest receiver in the class. Clearly there's not going to be a lot of consensus in the middle of round one in a rookie-only draft. Jamie, eighth? I'll take AJ Brown. AJ Brown for Tennessee. So three running backs, five wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:32:38 I think it's time for TJ Hawkinson, ninth. I'll take Hawkinson. Let me just recap. Jacobs, Montgomery, Sanders, Nikhil Harry, Marquise Brown, DK Metcalf, Paris Campbell, AJ Brown, TJ Hawkinson. The funny thing is Jamie took AJ Brown number eight. I've got him seven,
Starting point is 00:32:56 so I think that was a steal. I also have two players ranked ahead of AJ Brown that haven't been taken yet. I will take Hakeem Butler. Okay, for Arizona. Like, why? Hakeem Butler was my number one overall before the draft.
Starting point is 00:33:16 He fell, obviously, in the draft, which hurts his stock all the way to the fourth round. But I think that the landing spot almost makes up for that. We obviously have our own way of evaluating players. He was your number one wide receiver. He was the 14th receiver taken. Is that a red flag for you? That's what I just said. Yeah, but that's a huge
Starting point is 00:33:37 drop. I dropped him five spots. Okay. Dave, after... I think what you're seeing really... It happened with a lot of the bigger wide receivers the nfl really went after the smaller quicker guys more in this draft but that's interesting because i think that hakeem butler has some good speed he's not the fastest he's not going to want to race with hollywood brown but he's he's pretty good he's got speed but it's interesting like i don't think and again you know we talked about this the other day. Mock drafts versus NFL evaluations is totally different.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Of course. But I don't think anybody saw our Sega Whiteside going ahead of him. Even his own teammate, Isabella, I don't think anybody saw him going ahead of Butler. Deontay Johnson. Meikle. Meikle. Nobody thought Meikle was there. Jalen Hurd.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Terry McLaurin. A lot of speed, to McLaurin. You know, I mean, a lot of speed to Heath's point. If Mikko Hartman is still available in three picks in this rookie draft, I will be drafting him very happily. Dave, you have the 10th pick. And it comes down to Mikko Hartman and Noah Fant for me. And I'm going to say Fant is the better pick. I think he'll have a better, the longevity for him is better than Hardman. Hardman will be better in 2019.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Jamie? Okay. So we're finishing up round one of our rookie draft. Who am I going to take? This is right. We've gone through 12 picks already. Oh, right. So I have 13. And Daryl Henderson
Starting point is 00:35:02 hasn't been picked yet. So Jamie was right. He's a round two guy. I'm not going to take him. I'm going to take Kyler Murray. 13. I've got him 15. I am surprised that my next pick is still there because I have him sixth in my dynasty rankings,
Starting point is 00:35:19 and I thought that Jamie liked him more than I did. So I'm going to go with Debo Samuel. Yeah, he was what, the third wide receiver drafted right early in round two. San Francisco's Debo Samuel was 14. Dave, you have the 15th pick. And I will happily take Devin Singletary with the 15th overall selection. And I think you'll see him in round two more often than not. And you're probably going to throw away his 2019, won't play much this year,
Starting point is 00:35:44 unless the running back situation changes in Buffalo. Boy, is there an opportunity for him moving forward. He's so fun to watch. That's Buffalo's rookie running back, Devin Singletary. Jamie, 16. I'll take Daryl Henderson. I love that. For the Rams, Daryl Henderson.
Starting point is 00:36:00 I checked Dave in the 11th fall of the second round. I've got to tell you, I have probably the 11th pick. I don't know how we're doing the draft. I was the runner-up in our Dynasty League, and I have Todd Gurley. And I probably would take Henderson in my situation, probably take him 11th. I've got him 10th. Overall.
Starting point is 00:36:18 I'm in a similar situation in one of my Dynasty Leagues. I think I'm picking 8th. But this is a weird league. It's super flex league, and the quarterbacks go very early. So Kyler will definitely go in probably the first seven picks. And I would not be surprised if Haskins goes also. I'm excited to take this next guy. I know there's health concerns, obviously.
Starting point is 00:36:37 But Bryce Love, I think has a lot of potential. Wow. I will take Washington's rookie running back out of Stanford, Bryce Love. Do you think he could be the starter next year not not is that your thought process not at first um but yeah because i mean peterson's gone i just finished writing that looks for the redskins oh no 20 20 20 he's not starting this year yes 2020 i think yes he can be i think it was the worst pick of the draft so far i I think you could have waited a full five picks. I think around.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Yeah, I've got him in the 30s in my rankings. I think, to be fair, if we go back and look at dynasty draft, rookie-only drafts before these guys even play, it's a lot of guesswork. Oh, for sure. If you like a guy, you take him. That's the fun of it. Okay, fine, I reach.
Starting point is 00:37:27 You must love Bryce Lover. I don't think I did. I do. I think he's terrific. So that's what you have to do in a Dynasty League. The players that you've got conviction on are the ones you're going to have to take before anybody else would take them. Yeah, now you also have to look at ADP. Now I know who you're taking in round two in our routine.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Well, maybe I don't have to. This is a good learning exercise. Heath, 18th. I will take My take miles boykin my number 13 player i think there's a good chance that long term he's better than marquise brown and i think he might score more touchdowns as a rookie than marquise brown and he's got the opportunity to play right away too so a lot of ways and he can help you win i like him a lot too. I'm going to go with Jay Sternberger, the new Green Bay Packers stud tight end who had a Gronk-like effect at Texas A&M.
Starting point is 00:38:13 Jay Sternberger, 19. Okay, Jamie? I am struggling with two players here, so I'm going to take the one who could be very good in 2020. At least i think so justice hill oh yeah i was probably gonna take him too justice hill 20 okay that puts me on the
Starting point is 00:38:32 clock at 21 gotta look at my sheet here who's available did we take our sega white side yet he is available okay did we take damian harris we didn't we didn we take Damian Harris? We didn't take Damian Harris. Nope. No. I will take, yeah, I'll take Herb Smith. That was the one I was debating. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:55 Herb Smith. Yeah, I think that's very good. My kid's tied in. Finally. Good job. Finally. All right, Heath, you're 22. Your first good pick in the second round.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Yeah. I'm going to, I'll take damien harris not really wow i'm not terrible i i thought you might have taken somebody else yeah i'm gonna let you take him i'm gonna take the broadway show alexander madison his name is Alexander Madison. I'm going to have to learn that song. Okay, so we had Damian Harris, 22, right? And Alexander Madison for the Vikings, 23. And Jamie, last pick of round two. I'm going to trust the Steelers.
Starting point is 00:39:36 They have a pretty good tendency of finding wide receiver talent that most people don't expect. So I'm going to take Deontay Johnson. Yeah, he's 20th for me. I like him. Have you watched him? Have you had a chance to watch him yet a little bit he's he's got some sizzle to his game he can move okay i think it's time to take jj our sega white side with the first
Starting point is 00:39:54 pick of round three 25th overall jj our sega white side wow for the eagles that was a good pick i have him 23rd. Oh, perfect. I think this is the first time where I may just be taking someone right where I have them ranked. There's only been one player, I guess, taken. Actually, there's been 25. No, well, I'm confused, but I'm going to take Andy Isabella. Now I've got Akeem Butler and Isabella. Whichever one's good, I've got a good receiver.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Yeah, except you don't have good round three pick. I mean, obviously, if we were doingella. Whichever one's good, I've got a good receiver. Except you don't have good round three pick. Obviously if we were doing a dynasty draft, this wouldn't be on the same team for you. Don't worry about details. That could be a five team league or four team, however many people are drafting right now. I'll go Kelvin Harmon. Potential starter for Washington.
Starting point is 00:40:42 A wide receiver and just a big beast on the outside. That's 27 overall, Kelvin Harmon, little wide receiver run here. I'm just trying to catch up. Deontay Johnson was the one I missed. Deontay Johnson was the last pick of round two at 24 overall. Jamie, you're on the clock at 28. Yeah, it's very similar to what I did with Deontay Johnson,
Starting point is 00:40:59 trusting in the Steelers' ability to find receivers. I'm going to trust the Chiefs' ability to find running backs. I'm going to take Darwin Thompson, who would not surprise me if he's the best running back in Kansas City this year. He was what, like a fifth round pick? Sixth round pick. I believe he was the last pick of round six.
Starting point is 00:41:13 All right, I'll just take the quarterbacks. I'll go with Dwayne Haskins at 29. Good. I didn't want to take him. I'm going to do a recap pretty soon. Take Daniel Jones, like your team. Take the quarterback off the board. So we're at pick 30 now?
Starting point is 00:41:27 Pick 30, yeah. I get one more pick after this one? Yes. Okay. I'll take Justice Hill. He's gone. He was taken. I'm just going to go ahead and take the guy I was going to wait and take.
Starting point is 00:41:41 I'll take Bruce Anderson. Bruce Anderson. May just be the best running back in Tampa. Mr. Anderson. Oh, this is the undrafted free agent, Bruce Anderson. Yes. 30. Okay, Dave, 31.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Jalen Hurd, San Francisco. Oh, he might move to tight end. What? He might move to tight end, right? Who knows where he'll move to? Hopefully he just plays. That's what Shanahan said, that they could see Jalen Hurd moving to tight end down the road. I'll be happy if he moves off the sideline.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Same. Okay. Jamie, 32. I get two more picks, right? Yes. You have this pick and then the last pick. Okay. So I'm going to take...
Starting point is 00:42:22 I'm going to take... I'm going to go off the Steelers' report that Benny Snell may get some work. I'm going to take off the Steelers report that Benny Snell may get some work. I'm going to take Benny Snell here. Good one. Benny Snell, Steelers running back. All right. This is my last pick. Let's make it a good one.
Starting point is 00:42:37 Let's go with Ryquel Armstead for Jacksonville. That's what I was debating. Yeah. There's certainly an opportunity that you could see, a fairly realistic one, that they are looking at another running back next year,
Starting point is 00:42:50 and Armstead could have the opportunity to step in and be that guy. I don't see really a difference between him and Madison in terms of opportunity. Well, I see that the difference to me is better opportunity this year. Yeah, opportunity in the future.
Starting point is 00:43:03 I think it's better for Armstead because of how much they've been frustrated with uh for that i have a uh do we have practice squad spots in this league sure well you want to carry everyone on my roster you have to carry everyone okay then i'll go with hunter renfro and i think there's a sneaky opportunity there if Antonio Brown just completely divas out and destroys Carr. Renfro could be a very, very good slot receiver for a quarterback that doesn't want to throw the ball more than four yards.
Starting point is 00:43:36 He's sneaky. I can't wait to make baseball jokes about Hunter Renfro. Dave, 35th. He ain't a hog molly but i know that in 2022 he's gonna be a great quarterback for the new york football giants i'll take daniel jones who was made by the hand of god worst we got a new worst pick in the worst pick uh jb what's our last pick it's the second to last pick guy who might end up being pretty good someday. I'll take Drew Locke.
Starting point is 00:44:08 All right, there you go, Drew Locke. I'm just going to say that if you'd have told me I had a practice squad spot, I would have taken Will Greer ahead of Daniel Jones. Yeah, I don't understand your Will Greer love. He's really good. He's good. It's just a terrible situation. If I put him on the practice squad, I'd just wait.
Starting point is 00:44:24 For three years, four years? Yeah, until Cam gets hurt and he plays the last two games of the season. And then somebody trades a second-round pick for him? No, no, no, he's not touched by the Patriots. Oh, we should have drafted Jared Stidham. No, we shouldn't have. That's a team I trust. I have him ahead of Daniel Jones.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Who's your highest-ranked player that wasn't picked, Heath? Wilger. Mine is Dexter Williams. Do you have one? Is there one other guy that you wanted to take that... Riley Ridley was the other choice. Do you guys have to go now, Dave and Jamie?
Starting point is 00:44:56 Yeah, we probably should. Jamie, do you want to talk about Game of Thrones? Sure. Okay, listen. So here's what's going to happen on the show. After we talk about Game of Thrones Thrones Heath and I will Recap the rookie draft And hopefully read some emails And then
Starting point is 00:45:13 I speak come on I gotta go Okay relax I'm talking to the listeners So fast forward for two minutes You're going to talk about Game of Thrones We have to Can I fast forward for two minutes You can leave It was the greatest hour and a half of my life wow
Starting point is 00:45:30 tell your wife that and your son it was the best it was so amazing do you have any issue with the way they shot it no apparently I know a lot of people did but what the guy who was responsible for the lighting said – well, what a lot of people say, if you watched it on a TV in a dark room, you were fine, and that's exactly what I did.
Starting point is 00:45:53 Did you? I mean, still a lot of people had an issue with it. You could certainly complain if you want to complain. I'm surprised that wasn't one of your complaints, no one of you. My only complaint was that – Here we go. I mean, come on. Let's be real here here there's no way that the people who survive would have survived yes uh sam all of a sudden becoming the the ferocious fighter that he was and fighting
Starting point is 00:46:14 off you know 10 white walkers at a time on his back like on his back come on well they had they had john snow i mean he probably killed all of them right no uh well john snow being surrounded by essentially the entire uh yeah army did he kill any of them oh yeah oh yeah yeah i think i saved by a dragon at one point but um you know it's really when you see how they foreshadowed aria's destiny you realize it's the best show i mean it's not always the character you complained about the most so i did i do i should have i said it wrong i don't dislike aria the character i really found her storyline to be very boring like all the scenes prior to prior to yeah like when she was learning i found it to be very boring but what happened in this episode redeemed all of that it just it made the parts of the show that i didn't like, it made me like them. This show – this episode was so good to me that it made me like episodes I previously didn't like.
Starting point is 00:47:12 I just was blown away. It was unbelievable. I will say this though because I told you I've been watching previous seasons. So I'm up to the end of season six. I watched Battle of the Bastards again last night. And that fight scene is better. Without question. But this was an hour and a half. All right, the last thing is I...
Starting point is 00:47:30 It's different, but it's just like the way that they shot that one with the camera basically on someone's back is better. All right, last thing. So I told David and Heath this, but I was visibly, I was shaking. I was physically shaking during almost the entire episode. Like but I was physically shaking. I was physically shaking during almost the entire episode.
Starting point is 00:47:48 I just was so tense. I actually really did care about the characters, it turns out, and I couldn't stop shaking. So my wife... Did you realize how bad your opinion was on the season before? Well, hold on. No, it was still a boring episode.
Starting point is 00:48:02 But this was... I couldn't stop shaking, honestly. So we took – my wife was like I need a bathroom break. So about 45 minutes in, we paused the show. We go to – separately, we go to the bathroom. I am still shaking. I peed all over the floor. I just – I couldn't stop shaking.
Starting point is 00:48:21 I was like, oh, my God, this is terrible. Oh, my God, the visual. It was so embarrassing. I was like, oh my God, this is terrible. Oh my God, the visual. That is so embarrassing. It was embarrassing. The most embarrassing detail you've ever shared on the show, and that is saying something. I told everyone, too. I thought it was so funny. But that's what Game of Thrones did to me.
Starting point is 00:48:34 In my mind's eye, it's Steven Universe peeing all over a red and pink bathroom. What? Were you crying while this was happening? No, I was not at all. By the way, uh okay get the hell out of here jamie and i will uh we'll our date heathen ah heath and i will finish nervous i'm shaking out you might get some splatter okay uh and a special thanks to brian our listener for coming on and uh being here to see the show now we know why you sit when you pee. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:49:06 Okay, so Heath, Josh Jacobs, one, Montgomery, two, Miles Sanders, three, Nikhil Harry, Marquise Brown, DK Metcalf, Paris Campbell, AJ Brown, five wide receivers. So three running backs, five wide receivers. Ben Hawkinson, Butler, Hakeemler 10 noah fan micole hardman that's your top 12 it has two tight ends three running backs and seven wide receivers yeah and i think that was one of the things i wrote about in my top 40 rookie dynasty rankings that you can access on cbssports.com. I would expect after the first four or five picks,
Starting point is 00:49:47 or maybe even after the first two, your drafts are going to go very, very heavy on pass catchers, whether it's wide receivers or tight ends. In my top 24, I've got two, four, six, eight, 10, 12, 16 of my top 24 are wide receivers or tight ends. The only two players that went in the first round that are not in my top 12 are Marquise Brown and Mecole Hardman, but I can understand the case for both of them. Okay, so round two, 13th overall, Kyler Murray, Debo Samuel, excuse me, Devin Singletary, Daryl Henderson, Bryce Love, Miles Boykin,
Starting point is 00:50:28 Jay Sternberger. We can stop there. Kyler Murray, Debo Samuel, Devin Singletary, Daryl Henderson, Bryce Love, Miles Boykin, and Jay Sternberger. Anything jump out there? I mean, I already made my comment known on the Bryce Love pick. I just didn't love him before the draft and i don't think like i guess the hope there is that guys just suffers another injury because i don't think
Starting point is 00:50:51 he's anywhere close to the talent that guys is well you know going into last year i feel like love at stanford was regarded as a heisman trophy candidate um a workhorse even though he's kind of small tough as hell and a lot of speed. So I don't know if he's as talented as Geis. This is obviously a gamble on Geis not being the same. But I don't really see why Daryl Henderson should go ahead of Bryce Love because Todd Gurley is obviously better than everyone. Okay, I see why Henderson should go ahead,
Starting point is 00:51:24 but I don't see why they should be that far apart they went back to back so they weren't that far apart in this draft the reason i think they're that far apart is a couple of things one guys is a what 23 24 year old who just had an acl surgery which we've pretty much seen most young players just come back from that fine it's not an issue Gurley has an unspecified maybe some sort of tendonitis of the knee and then the bigger thing is if you took Geis out of the equation if you took Gurley out of the equation one of them is in a very very good offensive system that just made CJ.J. Anderson a star. The other one plays for Washington.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Things change, though, you know, offensively. Sure. If you want to look past the next three or four years, yeah. No. Adrian Peterson was a lot better than we imagined last year. And they had a ton of injuries on their offensive line, but they actually – Washington does have talent on their offensive line. So they had – they've been able to run the ball. Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Miles Boykin is after Bryce Love, then Jay Sternberger. Told you that. Justice Hill, Irv Smith would be the fourth tight end off the board. What do you think about Sternberger over Smith? I actually like Smith better than Sternberger. I think they are very similar in terms of situation um the whole a tight end for aaron rogers thing i'm just not sure how much i buy that understood yeah i i think i keep calling him sternberger and it's stern
Starting point is 00:52:58 oh no i was right sternberger i think i thought it was Sternberger for a second. Sternberger. Justice Hill, Herb Smith, Damian Harris, Alexander Madison, Deontay Johnson. So those are the last five picks of the round after Sternberger. Justice Hill, Herb Smith, Damian Harris, Alexander Madison, and Deontay Johnson. Yeah, I like Justice Hill because he does something in that backfield that nobody else does. I think he'd be a good complement to Ingram. I'm not sure that I said, I spent some time watching YouTube highlights this morning, and the running back I love is Justice Hill. And he's just, obviously, don't take too much of that. But he is super fast and talented.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Just he's small and gets hurt. Last round, last 12 picks, our Sega white side, JJ, our Sega white side, Andy Isabella, Calvin Harmon, Darwin Thompson, who he just says he likes a little bit better than Justice Hill, Dwayne Haskins, Bruce Anderson. Yeah, any thoughts on that? I screwed up when I took Isabella over Haskins. I think Haskins probably should have been a second-round pick,
Starting point is 00:54:26 late second-round pick, so that was a very good pick. The Bruce Anderson thing could be completely wrong. I want to recognize that for all the people listening to the podcast at this time of year. I am excited about him. I do think that he can be better than Peyton Barber and Ronald Jones. Tampa Bay invested nothing in him, though. But if you're picking somebody in the third round of a rookie draft, you're not investing much either.
Starting point is 00:54:51 And there are not any other backs that I think could legitimately be a feature back in 2019. And the final six picks are Jalen Hurd, Benny Snell, Rykel Armstead, Hunter Renfro, Daniel Jones, and Drew Locke. I kind of poo-pooed Jalen Hurd a little bit, and it's not because I don't—I think he's a very talented athletic kid, and I don't dislike him. The problem for me is I think right now, if he plays receiver,
Starting point is 00:55:19 he's definitively behind Dante Pettis, and in my opinion, he's definitively behind Debo. If he changes over to tight end, he's way behind George Kittle. If he goes back to playing running back, they've already got 17 of those. And then even if he does overcome someone, this looks to me like an offense where they don't want to have an alpha at any one position other than tight end. They're going to just spread the ball around like crazy. So I don't think there's a very good likelihood he makes an impact, and I don't think there's very much upside if he happens to beat somebody out. I'm going to try to read some emails, Heath.
Starting point is 00:55:54 I didn't get the chance to put them in my notes, so I'm going to go through my inbox, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. This one comes from Dustin. Dustin is in a 12-team half PPR Dynasty League. He needs to drop one of these players to get out of his salary cap situation, and they are all valued similarly in this league. So he has to drop one. Does he drop Tyreek Hill, Jordan Howard, or Russell Wilson? Tyreek Hill, Jordan Howard, or Russell Wilson?
Starting point is 00:56:21 I mean, I think Jordan Howard is the obvious one off the jump, but then like what's Tyreek Hill situation, you know? We have no idea. And I think that's why it probably has to be Howard right now. Um, because they're like, I don't know how I would assign probabilities, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think there could be a four suspension, and he's just playing. Mike from Milwaukee says, hey, Devin, David, and Daryl. Devin, David, and Daryl. They were just drafted
Starting point is 00:56:53 by us. They're running backs. They are third-round running backs. He wants to know why we just assumed David Montgomery is going to be the starting running back. In fact, Michael from Milwaukee thinks Mike Davis is going to win that job. I think it's possible that Mike Davis wins that job. I don't know that there's a huge difference between Davis and Montgomery until Montgomery proves himself in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:57:16 But the fact that the Bears, who were very, very short on draft picks, made the decision to trade up to get Montgomery when they already had Davis on the roster is what makes me think that Montgomery is going to win it. Here's an email from Charles. Hey, Model 101, T-1000, and TX. Was the original Terminator? Obviously, I know what T-1000 is. I don't know the others, but I'm wondering, was the original Terminator Model 101?
Starting point is 00:57:43 Could have been. 12-team half PPR league uh pick two keepers for one year rashad penny in the fifth marlin mack in the seventh ronald jones in the ninth darius geis in the 12th chris godwin in the 13th, and Hunter Henry in the 15th. I got mine. So I am going to – let's go through and just eliminate the easy ones to eliminate. You're not keeping Penny. You're not keeping Ronald Jones. You're not keeping Ronald Jones. So then we've got Mack in the 7th.
Starting point is 00:58:17 Right. I don't think I'm keeping Henry either. Oh, really? Okay, so Mack in the seventh, Geis in the twelfth, Godwin in the thirteenth, and Henry in the fifteenth. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:58:30 I thought you would keep Henry. I kind of think I want to keep... I kind of think I want to keep Mack and Godwin. I definitely want to keep Mack. Like, I understand Geis five rounds later could end up being better value, but Mack in the seventh is just like, it's safe, it's good value, you do it. So you're going Godwin in the 13th instead of Henry in the 15th or Geis in the 12th?
Starting point is 00:58:53 Yeah, because I would pick Godwin a couple rounds before I'd pick Henry, and I'd pick Godwin well before I'd pick Geis. All right. And how about one more here? From Brent. Dear Tony, Steve, Bruce, and Clint. Is that comic book stuff? I don't – I am not – like I've never read a comic book in my life.
Starting point is 00:59:18 I've watched most of the movies. I don't know who Clint is. That's why I'm – Clint. Who the hell is Clint? Clint Barton. Who is Clint Barton? Come on, Heath. who's clint barton i don't know he's hawkeye oh yeah yeah what's that guy's name jeremy remmer or something sure jeremy renner there you go uh here's the email from Jeremy Renner. 10-team PPR league, keep six. I need my last two.
Starting point is 00:59:48 Godwin, Pettis, OJ Howard, Hunter Henry, and Kenyon Drake. Godwin, Pettis, OJ Howard, Hunter Henry, Kenyon Drake. So Godwin's the easy one for me. You like Godwin better than Pettis? I do. Okay. Yeah yeah for sure after the draft um because i'm not 100 sure that pettis is going to be better than samuel and at very least i think his targets will be impacted um i i am really really struggling a lot with kenyan drake because we got five-game stretch where they actually gave him a workhorse load,
Starting point is 01:00:26 and he was awesome. And they didn't draft anybody that I think is actually competition for him. So it really just comes down to whether you think Kalen Balazs is actually better, or you think that someone else, another coaching staff, is going to think, yeah, Kenyon Drake's awesome when we give him the ball,
Starting point is 01:00:41 but we shouldn't give him the ball so much. I have a hard time taking him over O.J. Howard here. Even Howard, though, is... Howard is the guy I would be trying to decide. And Howard has some questions himself. He does.
Starting point is 01:01:00 I don't think he's ever had 50 targets in a season. And he's got a head coach or an offensive system that hasn't historically targeted tight ends. I think he's ever had 50 targets in a season. And he's got a head coach or an offensive system that hasn't historically targeted tight ends. I think that's going to change, but it's enough to question it. I think I would go with Drake and Godwin. Okay. Taking Godwin and Howard would be interesting because you have two on the same team there. Teammate strategy.
Starting point is 01:01:17 Friendship strategy. But I support it. Drake and Godwin. Thanks for listening, everybody. We're done. It was awesome to have Ben on, to have Brian listening, to have all of you out there. And Heath, thanks for coming on and doing the Dynasty Draft.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Glad to do it. That's Heath Cummings. I'm Adam Mazur. Dave for Jamie, for Ben, for Brian. Talk to you on probably Monday, maybe Tuesday. Have a great weekend, everybody. See you later.

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