Fantasy Football Today - 05/06: Bold Predictions and a Mailbag! (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 7, 2019

We're going to answer a lot of your questions today, but first let's be bold! Bold predictions about Sammy Watkins, Kenyan Drake and rookie TEs to kick off the episode ... Dave and Heath made a trade ...in their Dynasty league. Let's dissect it (9:30) and find out who won and also speak generally about Dynasty trades ... Emails emails emails (18:00)! We've got new league ideas, keeper and dynasty questions, auction strategy (29:30) and Fantasy Regulators (45:05) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Tuesday, March 7th.
Starting point is 00:00:20 Welcome to another off-season edition of the Fantasy Football Today podcast. Yeah, we're twice a week now. But pretty soon we'll be up to three times a week, four times a week, five times a week, so get excited. So, yeah, we've really done a thorough job recapping the NFL draft. Now we want to hear from you. Today is a mailbag show. Your email is at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. I'm Adam Azer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, Heath Cummings.
Starting point is 00:00:45 What is up? Woo! This is the best start to a podcast ever. This is better than the start that we just recorded, though. It is better. Yeah, we did about a minute of a show and then realized that something was off. I had to start over. This is a much better start.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Yeah, I'm on cloud nine. We're in the middle of our rookie-only draft, and I've made moves that have cemented me as league champion for the next seven years. Okay, well, I'm sure there's going to be a little controversy about that, and we are going to talk about that draft, because Dave and Heath made a trade in their dynasty
Starting point is 00:01:20 draft that's going on right now, and we want to discuss it. I've separated the emails into four different categories. One is just like normal questions, sort of generic questions. Two is keeper leagues, three dynasty leagues, four fantasy regulators. We will get to all four of those categories. I did want to start with something bold, bold predictions from you people. Just, you know, let's have a little fun. It's May 7th. What is something bold that you would like to bring to the table? Heath, why don't we start with you?
Starting point is 00:01:50 Kenyon Drake will be a top 12 running back in PPR. Are you kidding? Is that really it? Yeah. Did you read my bold prediction? Sammy Watkins will be a top five wide receiver this season. That's pretty bold. That's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:02:08 So you're drafting Sammy Watkins over? Well, you don't have to draft him there. It'd be silly to draft him in the second round. If you're making the bold prediction. I'm going to draft Sammy Watkins in the fourth round. Okay. Which I think is actually boldish. I'm going to draft him ahead of Brandon Cooks.
Starting point is 00:02:27 Oh, that's okay. All right. All right. All right. So what is that based on? How many game suspension is that based on? Or how many games does Tyreek Hill play for the Chiefs in your mind? Right now?
Starting point is 00:02:44 Yeah. Zero. Zero. Okay. All right, I'll talk about the Dolphins running backs. Mine was a Miami running back will be awesome. Do you think one could be top 12 in PBR? Is that not bold, Jamie? I mean, name one.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Well, I don't know. A Miami running back. You got to think it's... Mercury Morris? Yeah, it's not going to be Gore or Morris. You got to think it's – Mercury Morris? Frank Gore? Yeah, it's not going to be Gore or Morris. You got to think it'd be Drake. Ricky Williams? I like Caleb Lodge.
Starting point is 00:03:09 Lorenzo Hampton? I like Caleb Lodge. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that it would be Kenyon Drake. He's good. He's good. Just new coaching staff. Give him the ball. Let's hope he doesn't fumble.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Four fumbles on 286 career carries. It's kind of a lot. But, obviously when when kenyan drake gets work he is good and he caught 53 passes last year so we know he can do that meanwhile if someone uh stopped listening to us in 2016 and started listening to us right now they would just think wow you still love kenyan drake oh yeah i did love kenyan drake what yeah when they drafted him and so you're going back to the well now. You can't stay away. If somebody stopped playing fantasy football because they hated the NFL draft in 2016 and turned off our shows after reviewing the NFL draft when you were in love with Kenyon Drake
Starting point is 00:03:52 and just picked it up right now, they would think nothing's changed. That would be a strange podcast listener. Welcome back to you, sir or lady. Did you know that Kalen Balazs once scored eight touchdowns in a game in college? Yes. Do you know who he faced in that game, the quarterback he faced? Well, he didn't face the quarterback. It was Patrick Mahomes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Okay. Well, no wonder he scored eight touchdowns if the quarterback was the defense. Well, it was a shootout. It's just a fun note for you. Okay, that said my piece. Kenyon Drake's good. Do you think Kenyon Drake will get 15 carries a game? No.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Right about there. 13 to 15. Jamie, what's your bold prediction? Hey, are you kidding me right now? You cannot do that. I think I have to bleep that. You cannot say anything about Game of Thrones without saying spoiler alert. Because people might be on season four.
Starting point is 00:04:52 You cannot say anything. Oh, stop. It's a bold prediction. It's not something that's happening. You're not announcing something that you know for sure is going to happen. I went on a limb. Yeah, but what he said, which bleeped, bleeped, what he said actually kind of might happen. You can't.
Starting point is 00:05:11 You just spoiled it for me. Jamie just spoiled it for you. I thought it was a bold prediction. I didn't know it was going to happen. It is bold, but that was really poor manners. Now we don't have to watch the series, Heath. We're off the hook. Dave, why don't you give us a football bold prediction?
Starting point is 00:05:24 We'll come back and Jamie will give us one after. Dave, why don't you give us a football bowl prediction? We'll come back and Jamie will give us one after. No, I won't. I gave you mine. Come on. Dave, show us that. Well done. TJ Hawkinson, Noah Fant, rookie tight ends,
Starting point is 00:05:38 are both top 10 fantasy tight ends right now. For this season. For this season. They will finish as top 10 tight ends. You will draft them as top 10 tight ends. I'm writing a story about tight ends for our magazine. Do you know how many times in the last five years a rookie tight end has finished in the top 10? I'm going to say once. Once.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Once. I'm going to say once. It's going to happen twice this year. And I want to draft these guys just to have on my team as streamers to begin the year. Do you want to cut in week two? I might cut them by week two. But what difference does it make if I'm picking between them and Austin Hooper and Jordan Reed and Chris Herndon and all these other guys that are just going to be. Okay, great.
Starting point is 00:06:16 So what's the argument for the other guys? Oh, they've been around longer, so they must be better. Jordan has been a top ten tight end. He has. But I don't. So has Jordan Reed. I don't. I'm going with the rookies.
Starting point is 00:06:27 I'm going with the fresh blood. I'm going with the first round tight ends, and I think that they'll be good enough to get you off to a good start in your fantasy league. Austin Hooper was a top 10 tight end last year. Does anybody really think... Does anybody want that, though? I don't mind having Austin Hooper
Starting point is 00:06:44 on my fantasy team. I'm doing it in round 13. In seasonal leagues, to be honest with you, just because rookie tight ends tend to struggle. And Detroit's given us an example of that already. But at least I'd rather take my chances with the
Starting point is 00:07:00 Falcons offense if I'm just looking for consistent production? Oh, my gosh. Heath, your chair. I can't. I can't. There's nothing.
Starting point is 00:07:09 I mean, I'm like literally. You have to stand for the rest of the podcast. Or sit crisscross applesauce. Like, how much am I moving right now, Dave? Right now, you're not. Now you're kind of swiveling around. And now you're leaning back and the chair is screaming for mercy. This is what my chair is like at the office.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Here, I'm going to sit just like this and not use the back support on the chair for the rest of the podcast. Okay. By the way, I'm trying to do this sort of impromptu. How are you sitting? Just straight up? That's not going to get old for you. It's excellent posture. I'm trying to do this.
Starting point is 00:07:46 There's 100,000 chairs in this office. Why don't you go get a different chair? It appears that last year, the number 10 tight end in PPR was Vance McDonald. He scored 133 fantasy points. 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
Starting point is 00:08:02 That is the fewest in at least five years for a number 10 tight end. So last year was a really bad year for tight ends. All right, Jamie, do you have a bold prediction, or should we just get to some emails, some trades? We'll return in episode four. Oh, my gosh, another bleep. All right, so let's talk about the trade that Heath and Dave made in their Dynasty League,
Starting point is 00:08:27 which is doing its rookie-only draft right now. You can give us some details on the league. I do want to tell you all, though, about some of our other podcasts real quick. Go to cbssports.com slash podcast or podcasts. Either one will take you to the proper page, cbssports.com slash podcasts. The golf podcast, First Cut, is obviously one you want to check out right now. Big time in golf. They're doing three episodes a week right now.
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Starting point is 00:09:45 Dave. I mean, there's backstory here that I think is important. Well, then you should have started telling it when he asked to tell him about the trip. Well, I mean, do you want to just get right to the nuts and bolts of this, or do you want to hear the backstory, Adam? I'd like to hear a little bit about the league, and then... The backstory is the White Walkers, they show up. Hey, hey, hey white walkers they show this is a 14 team leader dynasty league where you start 16 players including seven idp three wide receivers two offensive flexes
Starting point is 00:10:17 and dave renamed his team before the draft because he was so unhappy with the state of his team. I went for win now. I went for the win now strategy when we drafted two years ago. You almost did. I almost did. First year. And then second year, I had Le'Veon Bell. I had Kareem Hunt.
Starting point is 00:10:36 I had nothing at wide receiver. I was a mess. And so I went into this draft. I pulled off one trade during the season. I traded Jimmy Graham and a second round pick to get somebody's first round pick. It was a contending team. So I came into this draft with two first round picks. Fourth overall and twelfth overall.
Starting point is 00:10:52 But I really hate my team. And I really think maybe I have the best team I've ever put together in any sport. And it didn't make the playoffs last year, which is awesome. And I had the sixth pick. And Dave was shocked to see David Montgomery fall to him with the fourth pick.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Right. And he took Montgomery when he had planned on taking Paris Campbell. And two picks later, it was my turn. And Dave came to me looking to trade back up to get Paris Campbell. So I did the thing you should do when you're in this situation and announced that I was willing to trade down and then tried to get Jamie to make an offer as well so that Dave couldn't just steal the pick from me. So I offered my first and second for your first and third and you said i don't want to move down six spots in
Starting point is 00:11:49 the first round and move up seven spots in the second round now a trade like that might work if we're talking about late round picks in a rookie only draft but when we're talking about these valuable picks in the first round i get where you're coming from so then i i immediately went to all right how about my first and my second for your first and your fourth? And I even added a bunch of question marks to act like it was ludicrous to even suggest such a thing when I knew that I would take that deal. And then Heath just went ahead and made the offer that was pretty much the only thing on the table for me to take if I wanted Paris Campbell. What pick was your second round pick? Your first pick was 12, right?
Starting point is 00:12:23 I actually maneuvered to take the second to last pick in the second round because I didn't have a second round pick? Your first pick was 12, right? I actually maneuvered to take the second-to-last pick in the second round because I didn't have a second-round pick when the draft started. But there was a team in the league, Matt Koka's team. It was pick 27. So you were offering picks 12 and 27? Right, for 6 and 55. And then what ended up getting accepted? I countered with, and Dave accepted,
Starting point is 00:12:44 I received pick 12, pick 27, and Marquise Lee. Dave received pick 6, pick 55, and pick 76. So you didn't really want Marquise Lee? I did. Dave, I meant you. No, I have enough crappy receivers on my team. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:13:04 But my receivers were so bad that Marquise Lee was in my starting lineup. No, I have enough crappy receivers on my team. Okay. All right. And then you took it. But my receivers were so bad that Marquise Lee was in my starting lineup. Like Quincy and Newton was in my starting lineup. And Marquise Lee could be good. He sure could. So that's why you moved up to get Paris Campbell. But I let it go because I had to have Paris Campbell. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:18 And I tried moving up. I knew Heath wasn't going to take Paris Campbell, but I didn't know if anybody 7 through 11 would take Paris. I'm almost positive Jamie would have if he was there at 11. So I had to move up to get him, and the only team that I could trade with that was interested was Heath's. And it worked out well for me because Hakeem Butler is my number 5 player overall, and he was available for me at 12.
Starting point is 00:13:39 And you would have taken him at 6 if there wasn't a chance. I would have taken DK Metcalf. Okay. All right. But it wouldn't have been Campbell. You would have taken dk metcalf okay all right but it wouldn't have been campbell you would have gotten a guy that you liked and so my my rebuild is it's going to be a little thin this year but it's with two of my top four players in dynasty drafts which is david montgomery and paris campbell right so jamie who do you think won the trade uh i think it's even you know because dave got the player that he wanted.
Starting point is 00:14:06 He had to give up a little bit to get him. I think Mark Eastley is good because I agree with Heath. He could be good. So if he comes back 100% and steps in as the number one receiver in what should be a better passing game, then Heath wins the trade. But I don't think it's by much. You know, I think you look at, you know, Heath got what he wanted. So it works out great on his regard.
Starting point is 00:14:27 But again, I think Paris Campbell is the best player that ended up coming out of this trade. And just for the record, what it really cost me, like true cost, because I made a lot of moves to get the picks to shovel into Heath's lap to get Paris Campbell. It cost me Jimmy Graham, Marquise Lee, my second-round pick, and my third-round pick. And as we've seen in this league, and it certainly happens in most dynasty leagues, whatever that ends up, like you took Devin White. Yep. So Devin White, if he's the star IDP player that he can be, then that sways the trade in your favor even more.
Starting point is 00:15:04 I did run a Twitter poll, not to tell people who made the trade or anything, but just with those assets before any players were picked. And it came out almost, I got 51% of the vote, Dave got 49%. Who did you take 12th? Hakeem Butler. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think the risky thing is that there's no – we don't know that Paris Campbell is going to be six picks better than Hakeem Butler.
Starting point is 00:15:32 That's kind of the – I would rather have Hakeem Butler than Paris Campbell. There you go. It's personal preference. I know a lot of people would rather have Campbell. It's just – that's why I think it makes sense at that point in the draft to trade back. For you, yeah. If you can get your guy.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Absolutely. If there's somebody that you're not in love with at that spot. And I think you're going to see a lot of dynasty drafts not just trading picks, but trading picks for veterans. Because there are people like in Dave's position that need to stockpile draft picks and turn their roster over, not necessarily in a one-year situation, but over a couple of seasons, while contending teams that are picking. Like in Heath's case, he has a very good team, but he didn't make the playoffs, so he's in a great spot because he can still have a great roster and maybe turn into some veterans. Not necessarily Marquise Lee you hope a little bit better,
Starting point is 00:16:16 but that's the type of move you try to make is to try and get some guys that are a little bit more proven or older guys. I mean, I think that's something that goes overlooked in a lot of dynasty leagues. Like if your team's ready to win now, go get somebody who's got one or two years left on their, maybe their NFL career, you know, like last year, you know, you would, you would, or this year, for example, you know, if you can get, um, you know, not the best example, but I'm just thinking guys that are, you know, in contract years or end of their careers, you know, Jimmy Graham, if he's still the guy in green Bay, uh, Kyle Rudolph, if he's
Starting point is 00:16:43 still the guy in Minnesota, you know. Deshaun Jackson in Philadelphia. Guys that don't necessarily have a long tenure left but can be somewhat productive and you don't have to give up a lot of capital to get them. Could you go even bigger than that with guys like Golden Tate? Yeah, absolutely. Just guys that have been around the NFL for six, seven years. Believe me, I was giving a crappy example. But Sean McCoy, if you need a third running back or a fourth running back. Those type of guys that aren't necessarily going to help your team two years from now,
Starting point is 00:17:07 but if you need somebody just at some depth. Like Dave and I discussed a trade that I thought would have been good for both of us, which was Carlos Hyde for Michael Gallup. You didn't answer me, so I pulled the trade off the table, especially once because I have Tyree Kill, so I lost him. So Michael Gallup two years from now, which is what I'm thinking of him, is if Amari Cooper leaves and Gallup is the number one receiver for for dallas he could have significant value whereas carlos hyde may be the best running back in kansas city that's huge if there uh but if he gets for like i was looking at
Starting point is 00:17:35 can i get somebody for four or five games because my running back depth after my two starters of christian mccaffrey mark ingram is very I was looking at, okay, can I flip my essentially seventh receiver for what could be maybe my third running back? That was how I was approaching it because I don't expect Carlos Hyde two years from now to be very good unless, of course, he just blows away Andy Reid and plays really well this year in Kansas City. All right, I can already see where this show is going. That was a fun segment, but I know it's going to be like,
Starting point is 00:18:01 well, we got to like six emails and I didn't have enough time for the rest, so we'll do them later. I'm not going to let that happen. Let's get to some emails right now and some tweets. Email of the day number one is from Niall from Providence, Rhode Island. Dark Knight Rises is more of a football movie than Jerry Maguire is. If you're running short on time, then why don't you cut this nonsense out? This is a funny email, and it is perfectly on point.
Starting point is 00:18:22 All right, tweet of the day is from Joey. Do you believe that as well? No, I think Jerry Maguire is slightly more of a football movie than Dark Knight Rises, but that's very funny. Will you do your Jerry Maguire football movie? Will you do your Bane impersonation before the end of this podcast? I'll try.
Starting point is 00:18:38 It sucks. I hear Scott White does a great Michael Caine. He actually does. We can just recreate scenes from the Dark Knight Rises. Joey says, I'm like Joe Pesci right now. a great Michael Caine. He actually does. We can just recreate scenes from The Dark Knight Rises. Okay, okay. Joey says, I'm like Joe Pesci right now. Okay, okay, okay. Where do you think the best spot to pick in a 12 team PPR draft this year is?
Starting point is 00:18:55 Four. Why? Because you're guaranteed one of the top four running backs and you'll pick ahead of everybody else who's taking one of those top four running backs, and you'll pick ahead of everybody else who's taking one of those top four running backs in the even rounds. Yeah. I was going to say maybe five because I put Melvin Gordon there, but...
Starting point is 00:19:14 Sure. If you think Melvin Gordon is on par with them, and he's close, then you could say five. What do you guys think? Jamie Heath, best place to pick in PPR? I don't care. Oh, come on. No, I mean, seriously.
Starting point is 00:19:26 I think you find, like, we did our magazine draft. I picked 12th. I have no problem with that, you know, taking two receivers like I did. But if you could pick your spot. Do you even, like, think about that now? No, never. You might think about that in August. Never.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I'm going to go nine. Nine? Why? Nine's a nice number. I mean, I think that Dave— I understand why people—and Dave's point is great. You're getting one of the top-tier guys, and you pick early in the second round. I just never look at it that way.
Starting point is 00:19:55 That's just my personal opinion. I don't care. You tell me I'm picking seventh, I'll find ways to make it successful. You tell me I'm picking first, I'll be fine with it. You get one of those stud running backs, and then you go get a hoagie, and then you come back in round two, and one of those tight ends will be there. Then you go and you get a drink from the fridge. And then in round three, take the best available receiver.
Starting point is 00:20:12 You're on your way. So that's the thing, right? So let's say you have a top four pick. You really have to ask yourself how much you like A.J. Green and Keenan Allen. Because those guys are falling to the third round. So if you have the third pick, you start with Ezekiel Elliott or Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey, whatever.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Probably not going to get Saquon at three, but one of those guys. Second round I think is a great spot for Travis Kelsey. He might not be there. That's Kittler. Yeah. Okay, I think we just did a PPR draft, and I took Kelsey...
Starting point is 00:20:49 17th. There. 17th? Okay, fine. So is Kittle or Ertz worth a pick in the second round, or do you go receiver there and take Kittle or Ertz in the third round? I think you're risking it
Starting point is 00:21:03 by leaving Kittle or Ertz to be there in round three. I think they have earned it at this point to be top 24 tie-dots. The only thing would be is if you're not inclined to take a tight end, if they do go in the first 24 by round three, the receivers Adam's talking about are there for you, which is also amazing value.
Starting point is 00:21:19 I know I'm not going to make a plan beforehand, but there are a lot of drafts where either Nick Chubb or Dalvin Cook fall to the mid to late second round. So one of those guys might be there. One of the top six receivers might be there. And then you have the early round three where you're maybe looking at Fournette, which is great value too.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Where do you guys take T.Y. Hilton? Same range, end of two, beginning of three. Yep. Third. I prefer third, but that's, two, beginning of three. Yep. Third. I prefer third, but that's, you know, again, if you're passing on the tight ends, he's going to go in second round. Okay. And let's go to J. J.M. from a beautiful city where a military tank was stolen almost 25 years ago.
Starting point is 00:22:03 San Diego. Okay. Dear Todd, Dak, Alvin, and Saquon. Football players. The last four offensive... Rookies of the year. Rookies of the year, that's right. As a commissioner for a long-time
Starting point is 00:22:17 family and friends league, as well as many... as well as my work league, going on five years strong, I've been trying to keep the leagues fun and fresh by changing at least one thing about the league every year. I've had this idea for years now. I've never heard any talk about it. So as many of us can agree, the actual draft is half the fun, right?
Starting point is 00:22:34 Well, to make things more interesting, I had this idea for a mid-season keeper redraft league. You play half the regular season, and then all managers get to keep any three players, and all other players become free agents. Back to the pool, and last place gets the first pick. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this twist to a league. Best podcast out there.
Starting point is 00:22:52 Thank you, guys. Thank you very much, Jay from San Diego. So play half the season, keep three players, redraft in reverse order of the standings. I love all these different things that you can do i think it's a fun idea i don't think i'd particularly want to do it more than once i would try it yeah it's an experimental league it's kind of like the ghost league too right in a way to go the vampire vampire league so enough with ghost, Jamie. Gosh, we're all about ghost today.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Yeah, I think it's fun. I think it's cool. I would do one league like that, sure. Chow from the trunk of a 1969 Mercedes 280 SE. Is that a reference that I don't get? Yes. What is it? From Theover oh leslie chow oh okay uh hey alan stew phil and doug who are they uh every year there's a player who gets drafted late or not at all that becomes a high draft pick the following year george kiddo alvin camara
Starting point is 00:24:01 michael thomas david johnson odell be. Which late-round player or players this year have the talent to be a high draft pick in 2020? Also curious to know what Allen and Stu, I guess that's me and Dave, think about Miami's best pizza by the University of Miami. Have you ever had Miami's best pizza, Dave? Hadn't once hated it. I'm a big cheese guy. Which are you two?
Starting point is 00:24:22 We're Allen and Stu, apparently. We're Allen and Stu, so who does that leave us? Doug and Phil. I forget. Doug, I know, is the guy, the bachelor. Heath would be Phil. I'll be the one that hangs on the roof. Alan is Zach Galifianakis, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Stu is... The dentist. Ed Helms. Okay, I'll be Stu. So, yeah, I never had that pizza. Big cheese all the way. Which late-round players have the talent to be the next Kittle, Kamara, Michael Thomas, et cetera?
Starting point is 00:24:58 I'll go first and say that if things break right for Devin Singletary, he'll be somebody that we're drafting in the early rounds in 2020. Yeah, I think you're going to see a lot of rookies probably in this conversation just because they're not going to be drafted very high. Darwin Thompson would be one for me. How about Daryl Henderson? He's going to go a little bit higher, I think. But I think you're talking about guys that don't necessarily have jobs right now
Starting point is 00:25:22 and the receivers because the receivers are going to go late. Like Paris Campbell and Mecole Hardman could be two guys based on where they get drafted. They're not going to be drafted until double-digit rounds for the most part. He eats guy Hakeem Butler. He could do that in Arizona. Let me put a caveat on it and say veterans only. So no rookies.
Starting point is 00:25:43 I would say Kittle was the guy last year. All right, Cortland Sutton. Yeah, Deshaun Hamilton is a good one too. Yep. Okay. Kalen Balazs. I think Deontay Foreman has a good chance. We just don't.
Starting point is 00:25:56 I'm so leery. We don't know if he has what he had before the injury. Yeah, this is obviously a gamble of a pick. But that would be one. Deontay Foreman for me, Courtland Sutton. And it's possible. I'm going to draft some Bruce Anderson late, but I think if we're saying veterans only,
Starting point is 00:26:17 you have to say that Ronald Jones is a possibility. Could Edo Smith be a possibility? He's not a late round guy. He's mid. Royce Freeman? He could be that guy. Yeah, sure. Things turn south for Philip Lindsay.
Starting point is 00:26:29 All right, cool. Thanks for the question. Let's get some keeper and dynasty stuff now. This is James in New York. This is a dynasty question. Hey, Sam, Mark, and Ken. Ooh, I know those. I think.
Starting point is 00:26:42 Those are Jets quarterbacks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can you talk about how high you would take Kyler Murray in a Dynasty rookie draft in a two-quarterback league? First round. I mean, he went 10th in this draft, which is a one-quarterback league. I'm about to do a Dynasty draft for a Superflex league, which is essentially the same thing, and he's going to be a top five pick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Reading the next sentence, it sounds like this guy has the fourth pick. I don't think four is too early for Kyler if you need a quarterback. All right. Two quarterback league. This one is from Kevin in Houston. Dear Joe, Richard, Chad, and Sam. Those also sound Jetsy to me. I'm sure there were Jets with those names.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Who's the Richard? Richard Todd. Chad Pennington? Right. Joe Namath. Sam Darnold. Yeah. Look at me.
Starting point is 00:27:34 You knew Richard Todd? Yeah, I did. Right? Yeah, he's a football player. Okay. Maybe. He was. He was.
Starting point is 00:27:43 I took over a Dynasty team, and now I have the second pick in a rookie draft. The team has some holes. I need running backs and wide receivers. I have Kelsey at tight end. Tell me, who are your top two picks? It is a one-quarterback PPR, four-point-per-passing touchdown
Starting point is 00:28:00 league. So basically, top two in this rookie draft should be whom? I'm going to go with Jacobs and Montgomery. I don't see a receiver that is worth being put up that high. You could argue Nikhil Harry, but I would agree. The two running backs.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Here's a keeper question from Jim in Philadelphia. I'm in a keeper league one season. We keep a player we drafted outside of the top four rounds. If the player we keep is projected as a round one to four pick in CBS mock drafts, we give up a fourth round pick. If that pick is projected to go around five or later, we give up that round pick. My two options are Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Jones. I've been set on keeping Mahomes this whole time. If he loses Tyreek Hill, though, would you still keep Patrick Mahomes over Aaron Jones?
Starting point is 00:28:48 I would keep Aaron Jones. Me too. Same. Wait, you'd keep Aaron Jones either way, or it's dependent on Tyreek Hill? Yes, it's dependent on Tyreek Hill. Right now, we're expecting Tyreek Hill to not play. But I think the hard thing about that is,
Starting point is 00:29:05 I don't know when your deadline is, but I don't anticipate we're going to get a definitive answer in the next two months. Okay, this is from Nick in Santa Monica. Dear Roger, Ricky, Frank, and Carlos. Jets. This one I don't know. These are 49ers running backs.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Yep. Oh, yeah. Okay, I should have known that. So listen,ers running backs. Yep. Oh, yeah. Okay, I should have known that. So listen, later in the show, we have a greeting that I think is so funny. Funny is not like laugh out loud funny, but it's like, oh, that's funny. That I had to Google. If anybody gets it, I will be extremely impressed. Don't look ahead and don't Google.
Starting point is 00:29:42 I was hoping in a future episode a few fellows would do a deep dive into auction league drafting and strategy. This year is especially interesting in considering the amount of talent available in the middle of the pack. In what would traditionally be the third round, for example, guys like AJ Green and Keenan Allen will be generally cheaper than they would have been in previous years. So I'm curious about your perspective on auction drafting and what each of you personally feel is the best strategy. Yeah, I do think that the middle of the draft feels better this year. I can remember last year at this time of year feeling we got to round four. It was like, ugh, where are all the good players at? But I also think those top four running backs you're going to see probably a bidding war and i do
Starting point is 00:30:34 like this is the only time when everybody has a chance to get them so i might be less likely to get involved in that bidding war they'll go for right about a third of a budget. And maybe more. Two guys want them. Sure. So you think you will pass on them? I think if you pass on them, you've got far more capital to spend on building still a very strong team.
Starting point is 00:31:00 So yeah, I think I would pass on them unless I can get them for say my budget's $100, I can get them for between $25 and $30, and I feel like that's a good deal, then I would take them there. Yeah, I can't see that happening. I don't think so either. You never know. You know how that might happen? I would spend $35 on them out of $100. What if they're the first name nominated, and it's that real early part of the auction where people just don't know what a guy should go for?
Starting point is 00:31:29 And you're kind of setting the market. Yeah. You might be able to land a Camara or a Zeke there for $30. Yeah. I will give you an example. $260 budget, our auction league for baseball. Mike Trout may have been the first one nominated. I got him for like 51, I think.
Starting point is 00:31:49 And he usually goes for like 60. And then Mookie Betts went, I think, for 52. So, yeah, I could see that happening. But I really want PPR. Standard, you know, non-PPR, maybe I won't get as involved. But in PPR, like, I really want one of those guys because they're going to catch a ton of passes. And like I said, I would be willing to spend $35 out of $100
Starting point is 00:32:12 on one of those top four running backs, Barkley, Zeke, Kamara, McCaffrey. You're spending how much? $35. So would you rather spend $35 or get three of Marlon Mack, Mark Ingram, and I don't know who else you like? Montgomery. 14-team league, I would take the three other guys. 12 or shallower, I'd probably want one of those stud running backs.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Look, I cannot tell you that I would actually do that if we were auctioning right now. This is the first time I've really thought about it, but that is sort of where I'm at right now. Okay. Auctions are more fun than drafts, but to really nail it, you've got to do some preparation beforehand.
Starting point is 00:32:55 I like using tiers, sorting my players based on my expectations for them. So the best running backs, those top four guys, throw Melvin Gordon in there too if you want. They're in the first tier. And then you group together running backs and receivers, et cetera, by expectations.
Starting point is 00:33:13 And then you'll keep track of where everybody's going in the auction, how much they're going for. You'll have a good sense of what you should spend from players with similar expectations. I would say this, though. If I did spend 35 on one of those four running backs it would be difficult for me to get a top three tight end and i am all about getting a top three tight end right those guys are going to go for more than 20
Starting point is 00:33:36 percent of your budget yeah those guys are i can't wait for our auctions to see what kelsey kittle and urts end up going for. That's going to be different than... Because not even Gronk... Did Gronk go for 20%? Would you pay 20% for Gronk? He was typically around $15. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:54 So I wonder if this is going to be new territory for auction drafters with these tight ends. Okay. Next email is going to be a Dynasty email. It is from... No name. Dave, next email is going to be a Dynasty email. It is from, no name, Dave, name and city, please. David from Montgomery, Alabama. Hey, TJ, Jelani, Will, and Austin. These might be Detroit Lions picks.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Those are Lions rookies. Jelani, oh, I can't think of his last name. He's a linebacker. Tavai. Tavai. I don't know how to pronounce it, honestly. He's Lions rookies. Jelani, oh, I can't think of his last name. He's a linebacker. Tavai. Tavai. I don't know how to pronounce it, honestly. He's a big dude. I've been reading your fantasy outlooks for each of the players drafted this past weekend, or two weekends ago, but I'm confused. There are some players
Starting point is 00:34:37 going in rounds four and five that you like more than players going in rounds two and three. For example, Arizona took Andy Isabella in round two and Akeem Butler in round four. Both players will have the same quarterback and team around them. Why is Akeem Butler a top 15 rookie draft fantasy pick but Isabella is only a third round pick? Shouldn't Isabella be the better player on paper
Starting point is 00:34:56 because he was drafted two rounds earlier? I think this email was actually from Chris Towers because he's been saying this to me for the last week and a half. How much a team invests in a player does have impact on maybe the early opportunity they get, maybe how long the team is willing to stick with them. But we don't start looking at players the moment they are drafted, and we do form opinions on players before the draft.
Starting point is 00:35:26 And it's not uncommon for players that are drafted in the fourth round to be better than players that are drafted in the second round. So if we, like Hakeem Butler is an excellent example. He was my number one rookie before the draft. I dropped him down number five because he fell to round four, but I just haven't dropped him any further than that. You didn't drop him because he went to Arizona and Arizona added all these other players. You did it just because of where he went in the draft. Yes. Yeah, there's a good chance
Starting point is 00:35:52 Butler doesn't start because they like Isabella a lot. And, you know, with Fitzgerald and Kirk still there, you may not see Hakeem Butler play very much as a rookie. So Isabella could be the better guy in seasonal leagues. But Butler, just based on what his profile is, should be better long-term.
Starting point is 00:36:08 I definitely see the merit in this email and your line of thinking. I think for running backs, where they get drafted matters, but matters less than it does for wide receiver because with running back, it's so much about opportunity, so much about the team around you,
Starting point is 00:36:24 more so, in my opinion, than it is with a wide receiver. Agree? Disagree? Agree, but I mean, it's still kind of the same thing. The Redskins had another situation, too, where I think you look at Terry McLaurin and Kelvin Harmon, I wouldn't be surprised if Harmon's better. Yeah, I've got Harmon quite a bit higher than McCoy. Most people do. But to your point, Adam, yeah, I think running back draft capital is certainly a little bit more important than receiver draft capital because the 49ers taking Jalen Hurd,
Starting point is 00:36:55 I don't think they're going to play him at receiver very much, or at least they're not going to play him specifically at receiver. Also, with running back, there's such a playing time issue in so many situations. You might be sitting behind. The Patriots taking a running back, there's such a playing time issue in so many situations. You might be sitting behind. The Patriots taking a running back in round three. Dallas, for example, taking Weber after the fullback. Clearly, Weber has a better chance to help their offensive production.
Starting point is 00:37:21 I guess that's a bad way to phrase it. Has a better chance to be a featured player in their offense more so than... To be fantasy relevance. Right. No, I'm not even saying fantasy relevance, but just like from... If Zika Lila gets hurt, they're not putting the fullback back there. Right, right. Okay, next question will be a keeper question from Glenn in Canada. $200 Keeper League.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Keep forever at these values. I need to pick one receiver. Antonio Brown for $25. Julio Jones for $27. Is that a $200? Christian Kirk for $1. DJ Moore for $1. Deshaun Hamilton for $2.
Starting point is 00:37:55 Geronimo Allison for $2. This is a keep forever league. You got Brown and Julio for $25 and $27, and then you got real cheap. Christian Kirk, DJ Moore, Deshaun Hamilton, Geronimo Allison. How many can you keep? One. One. DJ Moore.
Starting point is 00:38:13 Sure, because I think you can get Julio Jones. Oh, no. It's a $200. It's Julio for me. It's Julio. Yeah, Julio. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:22 Go with Julio. And I'll read another keeper question here. I need a name and city, please. Let's go with Brian from Paris, France. Why not Campbell from Paris, France? Well, Brian's last name is Campbell. He's our combat writer. Yes.
Starting point is 00:38:40 And he's in Paris right now. We have to keep 15 players. No more, no less. I only have room for one or two of these wide receivers. Who should I keep? Who are your top two here, guys? Zay Jones, Taewon Taylor, Devontae Parker, David Moore, Kenny Stills, or Demarius Thomas?
Starting point is 00:39:00 It's got to really hurt having to cut four of these guys. Zay Jones, Taewon Taylor, Devontae Parker, David Moore, Kenny Stills, Demarius Thomas. If the Dolphins can't quit Devontae Parker, should you? My pick is Kenny Stills. If I had to pick two, I might just take Parker along with Stills. Zay Jones. I would go with Stills. Zay. Zay Jones. I would go with Stills and David Moore. I think Moore, just given what's happened to Seattle's receiving core,
Starting point is 00:39:30 I don't care what Pete Carroll says about DK Metcalf's routery. I think Moore's going to end up playing a lot just based on how they used him last year. And he could actually end up starting opposite Tyler Lockett. Okay. So here's an email from Brad. This is the greeting that I want to see if you can get. Hey, Whitman, Price, and Haddad. Haddad.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Whitman, Price, and Haddad. 1980s Schwarzenegger movie. Terminator? No, these were... No, I'm... Oh, Running Man. Yeah, these were the three winners of running man that were supposed to be like in hawaii or something but it turned out they were dead uh i thought this was a really clever like very obscure reference 14 team half ppr keeper yeah that was funny right see
Starting point is 00:40:20 four point quarterback touchdown four point. Keith, next time he says that joke's going to be funny, make your chair move. I was really excited and impressed with Sonny Michel's postseason, but there are so many mouths to feed in the New England backfield. Should I trade Sonny Michel for basically Josh Jacobs for 101 and 106 in the rookie draft? Wow. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, you should definitely do that. All right, here's a... Richard Dawson
Starting point is 00:40:50 was the best part of Running Man, by the way. He was awesome. I don't think I ever saw Running Man. Highly recommend. Yeah, it's good. It's not like, you know, cinematic masterpiece. I just spoiled the funniest joke in the movie for you. This is from Dave. What about the
Starting point is 00:41:06 time Ghost licked John Snow's face? In our 14-team league, we have a loser's bracket where the last six teams play off for the right to draft their draft slot. Bottom six teams get to play off for the right to draft their draft slot.
Starting point is 00:41:23 A toilet bowl. If you win the loser's bracket, you get to play off for the right to draft their draft slot. A toilet bowl. If you win the loser's bracket, you get to pick the slot where you draft. I hate these. In the last 10 years, the owner with the number one pick has never won. So where would you, in 2019 in a 14-team league, where would you guys pick if you had the first pick in the draft for the draft? Similar question to what we answered earlier, I guess.
Starting point is 00:41:49 I'm going to stick with fourth. You said 14-team league? Yeah, I think I'd want to go later. The farthest you can go is where? Four? No, you can go wherever you want. I think I'd go nine. Nine is such a nice number.
Starting point is 00:42:03 I'd go five. This is where I would i would put melvin gordon in that group and i like four to five does make kind of a difference to me in um in a 14 team league i guess it would really depend on if i thought i could get kelsey in round two if i didn't then i guess it wouldn't matter thank you for the for the rocking of the chair you're welcome uh okay and and Jamie doesn't care. Jamie says draft anywhere. Subject line from Jeff in Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Subject line is Heath level humor. And then the email says, I think it's ironic and hilarious that you made a drinking game out of Pete Prisco's initials when his initials are PP. You made a drinking game out of his name when his initials are PP. Heath, can drinking game out of his name. When his initials are PP. Heath, can I get the chair, please? Thank you. From Brian in Vancouver.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Which quarterbacks make the biggest jump in a four-point per passing touchdown league compared to a six-point? Lamar. Josh Allen. Kyler Murray. Yeah. Cam. lamar josh allen kyler murray yeah um cam like jump in terms of their value gets higher right because they're running more i think we can handle them is it basically just the guys you expect to have rushing touchdowns and or not a lot of passing touchdowns or both expect to have rushing touchdowns? Or not a lot of passing touchdowns? Or both? Yes.
Starting point is 00:43:27 Rushing yards, rushing touchdowns. Oh, Deshaun. Deshaun Watson will run. Well, the rushing yards... I heard he's the number one quarterback in four points for passing yards. But seriously, the rushing yards, do they matter? Because they count the same in either format. No, because they count the same. But they are a bigger percentage of the pie
Starting point is 00:43:45 when the passing touchdowns are a smaller percentage. Okay. But a lot of the guys who rush for a lot of yards don't throw for a lot of yards. It's true. It's going to hurt Eli Manning a lot. Don't draft him. We have a few minutes left here.
Starting point is 00:44:01 But it hurts guys like Rivers, those type of quarterbacks. Sure. From Scott Warren, 12-man Dynasty League PPR trade scenario. Would you rather have Christian McCaffrey in a PPR Dynasty League, Christian McCaffrey, or Devante Adams and O.J. Howard? McCaffrey. Adams and Howard. That's a good question.
Starting point is 00:44:28 It is. Tom Brady says that when he starts an answer with that's a good question, it means he hates the question. Really? Yeah. I like this question, so I put it in the notes. Yeah. So we got Devante Adams and O.J. Howard or Christian McCaffrey. Dave and Jamie are split.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Heath, break the tie. Oh, I was just going to. My answer was going to be that's a good question.J. Howard or Christian McCaffrey? Dave and Jamie are split. Heath, break the tie. Oh, my answer was going to be that's a good question. Nope, you got it. I am going to go with Adams and Howard. Okay. I would probably rather have than both of them a different duo. I will tell you about them in a second. I would rather have Nate Dogg and Warren G. Nate Dogg and Warren G. a different duo. I will tell you about them in a second.
Starting point is 00:45:06 I would rather have... Nate Dogg and Warren G. Nate Dogg and Warren G. Thank you, Heath. Okay. Dear Simba, Mufasa, Pumba, and Timon, I joined a slow draft Dynasty Startup League with an eight-hour window for each pick. The league commish kicked me out
Starting point is 00:45:24 for taking advantage of the full eight hours for each pick. The league commish kicked me out for taking advantage of the full eight hours for each pick. And I told him I was committed but that I planned on taking the full window each time to do research and savor the pick. I communicated clearly with all the owners during my pick window and made sure to talk smack
Starting point is 00:45:39 as well. During round eight, he decided to kick me out for not picking immediately. According to the rules, I didn't violate anything. Am I in the wrong, or was the commission within his rights for kicking me out of the league for taking the full eight hours with every pick? If I were the commission, you did that enough, I would change your clock to eight minutes, but I would
Starting point is 00:45:55 not have kicked you out of the league. Anyone else? No, don't kick him out? No, of course not. You are in the wrong, and the commissioner is in the wrong and i am glad i'm not in the league with either of you how long have we all been playing fantasy football 20 plus years each yeah when's the last time you savored a pick before making the selection where you just kick back close your eyes and i'm on the clock um last night i was on the clock. Last night, I was on the clock, I noticed, before I went to bed.
Starting point is 00:46:27 For 11 hours and 41 minutes. And I just slept on it. But did you see it? Not that I was counting. Did you dream about it? It was 11 hours and 41 minutes and 21 seconds. Did you relish the opportunity to make a selection in something so huge as a fantasy football dynasty? I went upstairs, slid into bed, just kind of thought about it for a while.
Starting point is 00:46:45 Kind of a noise did your bed make when you said it. So far in the first round of our rookie-only draft, there have been one, two, three, three owners who drafted in under a minute. Heath was one of them. Heath so far has the fastest time of making a pick of 26 seconds to take a Keem Butler. And the longest. 35 seconds was the second.
Starting point is 00:47:07 I was third at 44 seconds. In round two, we had a 49-second pick and an 11-hour, 41-minute, and 21-second pick by the commissioner, no less. Yeah, it was a rough night last night. Oh, I'm sorry, man. So, okay, last... You know, it's funny, because I was like, should I text him? I'm sorry, man. So, okay, last email.
Starting point is 00:47:25 You know, it's funny because I was like, should I text him? I'm like, no, he's got a lot going on. Then I'm like, he's tweeting. So I'm like, yeah, sure. And I forgot. All right, last one. Here we go. Regulated.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Oh, this is a Game of Thrones spoiler, and this is our last email. So if you don't want to hear anything about Season 8 or anything at all, turn off the podcast and thank you for listening. This is from Josh. Little out of left field here, but I have an issue in a league I am the commissioner of. I put together an office pool for Game of Thrones, mainly focusing on character deaths.
Starting point is 00:47:56 However, there was a fill in the blank part, one of which the question worth two points was, who kills the Night King? I put no one, and not a single person put Arya. Do I award myself points given that Arya is no one? No. She's someone.
Starting point is 00:48:13 She's a character in the show. At the end of season 6 when she leaves the house of black and white he says, is the girl no one? And she says, no I'm Arya Stark and I'm going home. Yeah, well, chilling, chilling live. Good stuff.
Starting point is 00:48:29 Oh, yeah, but now it's chilling live for you. At the time, you hated it. Loved that last episode. People really didn't like the last episode. You mean the Starbucks cup? Episode four. Oh, yeah, that was funny. But they really didn't like it.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Pete Prisco drinks things that they did on purpose because they can't advertise. Oh, interesting. I just drank. Was it a Starbucks cup or just a cup? I mean, I think if you look at it, it looks very much like a Starbucks cup. But it also like, I mean, if you just look at it from afar, like no one would notice it until you saw it. I didn't notice it. I think it's just one of the
Starting point is 00:48:59 cups of ale. I'm very excited. I cannot wait for Sunday. Mother's Day, by the way. All right. Thanks, everybody. We will talk to you on Thursday with another episode. So appreciative of all your emails and your tweets. FantasyFootball at CBSi.com. For Dave and Jamie, I'm Adam.
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