Fantasy Football Today - 05/07 Fantasy Football Podcast: Heath's Rookie Thoughts; C.J. Anderson News
Episode Date: May 7, 2018Covering a lot on today's show including why we didn't include Jerick McKinnon as an NFL Draft winner (1:40) and why Heath doesn't have DAL WR Michael Gallup in his Top 60 (4:00) ... More of Heath's r...ankings as we discuss Derrius Guice (13:31), Kerryon Johnson (14:45), Marshawn Lynch (16:50), Ronald Jones (22:40) and a TE (24:48) that Heath thinks has the potential to be a pleasant surprise this year ... Listener voicemails! Is DeShaun Watson the next RGIII (28:40)? Is Corey Coleman a thing (33:53)? And we may have found a new way to determine playoff seeding (36:05). Also, what's the impact of C.J. Anderson's signing (39:00)? ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
All right, we are still in the honeymoon phase with the rookies.
Still a lot of fantasy value to decipher after the NFL draft.
Welcome back to Fantasy Football Today.
I am Adam Azer, joined by Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg.
And yesterday, or on our last show, excuse me, we got the perspective from Nick Kostos.
Today we get it from Heath Cummings.
Welcome back, Heath.
Yeah, I was curious.
After the last podcast, which I really wish I could have been on,
but I started getting a lot of tweets about the podcast and my beard.
What's that about?
I don't know.
That's probably a Jamie thing.
Is that a Jamie thing?
I don't know.
It wasn't from Jamie.
Oh, I know.
I did not make the jokes about your beard.
I think Jamie did.
I did?
I think the only thing I said was when somebody asked about the rookie draft,
I said Heath was hiding it in his beard.
Yeah, right, exactly.
But I think Nick was the one making fun of his beard.
Oh, okay.
That sounds about right.
That does sound more accurate.
I tried to grow a beard once.
Well, we welcome you back, Heath.
We look forward to hearing your rookie rankings.
And how's everybody doing?
We're all good?
Dave, you're good?
Yay, I'm great
Hey, all right
Football season coming up
Let's start with an email
Email of the day number one
We'll have some voicemails later
This is from Adam
Where's he from?
Your apartment
Yeah, that's creepy
New York City
Says, hey, Thomas, Herndon, and Walton
Well, that's definitely from you
Those are hurricanes They are Hurricanes who were drafted That's right Thomas Herndon and Walton. Well, that's definitely from you.
Those are hurricanes.
They are.
Hurricanes who were drafted.
That's right.
Listening to post-draft podcasts, not sure why Jarek McKinnon isn't mentioned as a big fantasy winner.
49er used a first-round pick to draft a tackle known for his run blocking.
Shanahan targeted and paid McKinnon over all the other free agent running backs, including Carlos Hyde.
He clearly has a plan for him.
Why didn't we mention Jarek McKinnon as an NFL draft winner?
Because he was already a winner before the draft,
and if they had added running backs,
then depending on which running backs they might have added,
he would have been a loser.
But there's no reason to bring him up now.
We've already been talking about him, and I think he's going to go in the third round late third round in fantasy draft fun jerek mckinnon
in fact i have all of our rankings pulled up here i was just trying to see who i was going to have
to defend who i was going to have to talk bad about we all have jerek mckinnon 33rd overall in ppr
exactly do you guys have any rookie running backs other than Saquon Barkley ranked ahead of Jarek McKinnon?
Nope.
No.
No.
Okay.
That's Jarek McKinnon.
And, you know, from a production standpoint,
I don't want to talk about the same guys all the time,
so I don't know if I should bring up Jarek McKinnon.
We talk so much about him after free agency, but it's been a little while.
So, Adam, thank you for keeping this Adam honest,
and thank you for the Miami Hurricanes greetings as well.
Here's the email of the day number two.
It's from Joe Gao.
What is the name of the fantasy football magazine you guys keep talking about
in your podcast, and where can I buy it?
Can we give that information, Jamie?
It's just like Beckett Fantasy Football Preview.
The CBS Sports Beckett Sports Fantasy Football Magazine.
It is not out yet.
I believe we'll be going to print at some point in the next three weeks,
so by the beginning of June.
Cool.
So the CBS Sports Beckett Sports Magazine.
Be on the lookout for it.
What are you guys buzzing about?
Heath, what are you buzzing about fantasy football-wise?
I'm at work.
I don't think I should be buzzing.
Whoa.
Oh, like that?
Oh, come on now.
What's on your mind?
What's on your fantasy football mind?
What's on my fantasy football mind?
I'm trying to figure out where all these rookies fit in and who they're taking touches away from,
it's not so much about who's going to be good or who's going to be at top ten or where they should rank.
It's about who's going to get the touches right now
and whether they can beat out the guys already on the roster.
And so who are you most concerned about?
I think we're going to talk about one of them in just a minute.
Let's do it now.
Okay. Go for it. Gallup? Yeah, Michael Gallup.
Cowboys wide receiver Michael Gallup. Do you not have him in your top 60?
And I just looked to see if the rankings went past that, where I would have him at 65.
I don't know where Dave and Jamie have him. The problem for me with Gallup,
I think we all agree that Dallas is going to be a low, low, low
volume passing attack. That's what they've been in the past.
They're going to give the ball to Zeke about 400 times.
I don't expect he's going to be the number one receiver.
I think there's certainly a chance he could finish second on the team in targets.
But second on the Cowboys in targets probably means 80, 85 targets.
You're counting on who to be first?
I think it'll be Alan Hurts.
I think they could spread it all the way around and they could then to where they're all kind of meh 90 to 95 targets they all they all suck i'll take the one who has the most upside of the suck
and i think alan hearns has upside we've seen him have a big fantasy year before
is michael gallup so that's the basis of him being good because he's had a good year before. Is Michael Gallup in the ninth round? So that's the basis of him being good, because he's had a good year before?
Well, he has upside. He's demonstrated
upside.
Getting cut from the Jaguars and being claimed by another team
is exactly the cause for optimism.
Is he worth a ninth round pick?
Michael Gallup. He's going to say
no. See, he just said no.
Jamie?
Yeah, absolutely.
Again, I'll always gamble on upside,
and I'd rather take the rookie as opposed to the retread.
Adam?
I don't think so.
Not in round nine.
Round nine is still kind of early.
He feels like this is a 12-team league we're talking about,
so we're around pick 100 or so.
I don't think Michael Gallup is a top 100 pick.
He feels like a round 13-ish pick to me.
I'm taking kicker and defense before I'm taking Michael Gallup, I think.
I don't think I'm going to go that far.
Defense, defense.
Maybe not kicker.
It depends on which defense you're talking about.
Yeah, well, I want to get the Jaguars.
Who's your top defense?
Jaguars.
Oh, it's the Jaguars.
I think it'd have to be deeper than a standard CBS league for me to take Michael Gallup.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of interchangeability there, so I'm going to reach for defense.
I'll just give you an example of an analyst draft I'm in right now.
He went in round 10.
12 teams?
12 teams.
Half PPR.
I mean, it's not like I would object to it, but I feel like there's been some pretty good talent.
And that's with IDP, so figure it may move up around because that's about 10 IDP guys that have gone already.
Who's got Randall Cobb ahead of Michael Gallup?
I do.
Not me.
Was Randall Cobb a draft winner?
No.
They drafted three receivers for a reason.
Yeah, but they didn't draft a receiver all that early.
They didn't?
I mean, as we just kind of established,
this isn't exactly the best receiving class.
No, not at all.
No kidding.
And they didn't invest in one of the great ones,
so I'm not sure they've got a rookie year impact there.
Their draft kind of felt them in a miraculous fashion
if these guys pan out at the two cornerbacks.
Yeah, they kind of got two first-round caliber corners.
And the receivers they got all kind of fit the same mold.
They're all tall.
They all timed well in the 40.
I don't think they're taking slot time away from Randall Cobb.
Exactly.
That's the point I'm getting at is that Randall Cobb is going to still have
that slot role on lock.
His touchdown potential went down the pipe when Jimmy Graham came in.
But other than that, I think he could be a high-catch, high-volume guy.
Like 800 yards and four touchdowns.
That's something I just remembered to say, by the way.
Yeah, that's just ugly.
So they drafted Jamon Moore and Marquez Valdez.
They've drafted three. Yes, and EQ Valdez. They've drafted three.
Yes.
And EQ St. Brown.
And name the third guy.
Let's see if you can pronounce his name.
EQ.
EQ St. Brown.
No, come on.
EQ SB.
What was it?
Like Equi-
I think it's Equinimius.
Equinimius.
I think that's it.
I don't know what it is.
The one thing that our draft guys, the guys on our NFL draft show, mostly Brady Quinn
and Brian McFadden talked about with those guys,
is they don't really fit what the Packers like to do in terms of how they catch the ball.
But I think that Aaron Rodgers will make them okay.
All right.
I had to mention one thing that I kept forgetting.
The podcast draft contest.
I will announce the winner on Thursday.
Two winners.
Two winners.
This is your last chance. You have to. I Two winners. This is your last chance.
You have to.
I hate Jamie.
This is your last chance.
Yes.
Two winners because Jamie makes the rules.
No.
I can bow out.
I can bow out.
I don't want you to bow out.
People want to play against you, Jamie.
You can't just give away spots in the podcast league.
That's not how it works.
Sure I can.
We all have an exception.
Please hit him with your beard, Heath, for goodness sake.
This is your last chance.
You have to email me your original entry if you got five or more correct.
Remember, it has to be in order. If you got five or more correct, email just fantasyfootballatcbsi.com.
Reply or forward the original email and show me that you got five or more correct,
and I will announce the two winners of the Podcast League contest,
the two people who are in the Podcast League as of now.
And the other was if you had Denzel Ward going fourth overall, then you're in?
Yeah, well, I thought there was just the one guy.
So far there's just one.
What do we do if there's two, Jamie?
Put them both in?
Put everyone in?
Just kick Dave out and kick Jamie out and kick me out and kick you out,
and we can just have the Podcast Listeners League with just podcast listeners.
Now we'll have some sort of tiebreaker if there are more people who have Denzel Ward going forth.
Let's do some news and notes.
Mike Gillisley fighting for his roster spot, according to ESPN's Mike Rice.
Dallas, I thought this was interesting.
Dallas is studying film of Dak Prescott's career at Mississippi State.
So Patrick Walker was on the Pick 6 podcast.
He's a Dallas writer for 24-7 Sports.
And he said that the Cowboys are looking to steal ideas and techniques
and how they can structure the Cowboys' offense to most benefit Dak Prescott.
So there's that.
I would say anything was better than their current plan, so that's encouraging.
Yeah.
Monday Night Football is going to be really interesting crew
Joe Tessitore, Jason Witten, Lisa Salters, and field analyst Booger McFarlane very interesting
crew I'm a big Tessitore guy I gotta tell you that I am too but I figured you were a big Booger
guy so now you pick your nose uh here's my concern with Tessitore He's kind of like From what I've seen
He's like all football
He's not a jokester
I like that about him
I don't know how it's going to play
With the rest of the crowd
The rest of the audience out there
But I like Joe Tessitore
They got that comedian Jason Witten
Right, I don't know what he's going to be like either
Lots of dad jokes
I look forward to it
Carson Wentz said his goal is to be ready for week
one. Mine too.
Pete Carroll says running back Rashad
Penny is a three down back.
He better be if you take him in the first round.
We took him in the first round because we think he's going to be
great on special teams.
I don't think Stoney Michelle
is going to be a three down back. Do you?
No. Not with his team? I'm not
really sure that he's going to be a three down back. We'll see with his team i'm not really sure that he's going to be
a three down back we'll see who penny who penny yeah well that's when you just gotta wait till
training camp on for now yes you gotta assume that penny for your thoughts heath penny for your
yeah where'd you rank him very well done uh he's uh right in that running back two running back
three range i think right about where you guys have them as well. I don't think – I think the big difference with most of the rookie running backs was I did not have them as high in PPR as you guys did except for obviously Saquon.
Okay, Oakland rookie Colton Miller, their first-round draft pick.
He's working at left tackle.
They got Donald Pence coming off an injury.
New York Jets quarterback Sam Darnold could be the starting quarterback.
They have not ruled that out, whereas Hugh Jackson insists that Tyrod Taylor will be the Browns starting quarterback.
We'll keep an eye on it as it develops.
And another penny for your thoughts.
Arizona running back Elijah Penny will convert to fullback and tight end.
You know that's Rashad Penny's brother.
Actually, I did not know that.
They are brothers.
Now that you know that, I guess you could say you're Penny Wise.
I like it.
Very good.
Or he could just give you two cents.
This is really good stuff, guys.
Great segment.
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It's interesting how you've teased all of Will's podcasts except the one that Dave and I were on with him.
Dave and Jamie were on the Pick 6 podcast.
How did that go?
Best host we've ever had.
You didn't listen?
I did not listen.
I am sorry.
But I heard it was great.
Yeah, it's finally good to work with a good podcast host.
I'm sure it is.
He let us talk. It wasn't
his show. My listeners want
to hear about Heath's rankings.
And Heath, you are the low guy
on Darius Geis.
So Darius Geis is 29th
for Heath in Standard, 43rd in PPR.
Dave and Jamie have
Redskins running back Darius Geis right around
24th in both formats, give or take a few
spots. Alright, Heath, why do you hate Darius Geis with such a passion?
I do not hate Darius Geis at all, and I think we probably have very similar expectations
when it comes to everything besides catching the football.
I've got Geis for about 230 carries, 900 yards, six touchdowns.
With Chris Thompson on the team, I don't know.
I don't expect him to really be involved in the passing game at all.
Dave, Jamie, how come you didn't expect him to really be involved in the passing game at all.
Dave, Jamie, how come you didn't downgrade Geis as much in PPR?
Because I think he'll still catch a decent amount of passes.
Won't be like 60 or anything wild like that.
But he could get his cloppies on 20.
Yeah, I think I would expect in 25 to 30.
I also want to see if Chris Thompson's healthy.
Yeah, you're right, exactly.
I mean, he's had trouble staying healthy.
He's played 13, 16, and 10 games in his last three seasons, Chris Thompson.
It's also a pretty miserable receiving core.
So when they're in obvious running down situations, they can still throw out of those sets.
Sure.
All right, other rookie rankings.
Where are you on Kerryon Johnson, Heath?
Very, very conflicted.
I think the Lions have done everything in their power to be good at running the football.
They have talked like they want to be good at running the football.
They've never been good at running the football,
or at least for a long time.
Well, I would say Barry Sanders would.
Never in recent history.
In the Matthew Stafford era.
Do you know who their last thousand-yard rusher
was? Their last thousand-yard
rusher? It was not Barry Sanders. No.
I know who it was, and I can
see the guy. I can
see him. He never did anything again
after that. Am I right? Was it Kevin Smith?
That's what I was going to guess. It is not Kevin Smith. Okay. But he didn't did anything again after that am i right was it kevin smith that's what i was gonna guess it is not kevin smith okay but he didn't do anything again after that
reggie bush reggie bush i did a lot before that i think the lions offensive line should be awesome
yeah um i i hope le garrett blunt just decides to retire or that he has other priorities
that might get him suspended or something like that,
that worries me a little bit in terms of touchdowns.
Yeah, so you've got Kerryon Johnson 35th in standard, 42nd in PPR.
Jamie, it looks like you're the high guy.
You've got Johnson just inside the top 30.
Dave and Heath have him ranked pretty similarly, like late 30s or so,
mid to late 30s, Kerryon Johnson. So, Jamie, yeah, or so, mid to late 30s,
Kerryon Johnson.
So, Jamie, yeah, I mean, we've talked about him,
but you want to wrap it up, 29th and standard, 28th in PPR?
I love the offensive line.
I don't really worry about a 32-year-old LeGarrette Blount, 31,
however old he is.
We saw what the Eagles used Blount.
You know, I mean, they saved him for the playoffs,
but once they got JGI, he didn't work as much.
And so I probably have him too high in PPR, but I think given the fact that they traded up to get Kerryon Johnson,
the fact that the offensive line should be much better and their desire to want to run the ball under a new head coach,
I think he might be a little too low.
Boy, I was going to ask you, would you rather have Kerryon Johnson or Marshawn Lynch?
But I think the story here is look at how high Dave Richard has Marshawn Lynch.
Top 24. He's low.
Yeah, top 24 in standard anyway.
I'll check PPR.
No, he's lower than that in PPR, and it's a whole John Gruden thing.
It's about Gruden and his track record with running backs
and the fact that I don't think they've got anybody else there
who can reliably and consistently take work away from him.
And I think they're going to use him kind of like they did toward the end of last season
when they started feeding him and he started to play well for them.
I do agree with Dave that that's going to be the plan going into the year.
I think John Gruden wants to take football back 20 years,
put a fullback in front of Marshawn and just hammer it over and over and over,
I don't know how confident I feel that he's going to be able to stand up to that.
Yeah, totally agree.
And you look at Gruden's track record, he's had success with a bigger back,
like Marshawn with Tyron Wheatley, if you want to compare somebody.
But his better success has come with more scat back type of guys,
or at least more combo type of guys.
Look, there was a talk about them moving on from Marshawn Lynch.
I don't know what Doug Martin's status will be, how healthy he'll be.
I'm more curious about the younger guys like we talked about last year.
What's Jalen Richard going to do?
What is DeAndre Washington going to do?
How much will Gruden lean on those guys?
So if they're going to overwork Marshawn,
I think Jack Del Rio and company last year, they sort of Gruden lean on those guys. So if they're going to overwork Marchand, I think Jack Del Rio
and company last year, they sort of
had a good plan in place. They thought they'd be a playoff team,
save Marchand toward the end of the season. When that
sort of fell apart, okay, let's work him and run him into the ground.
I just don't want any part of
a 32-year-old Marchand Lynch in this offense.
So I think I was
doing the show with Dave. It was after
free agency, shortly thereafter,
and they had signed Jordy Nelson,
got rid of Michael Crabtree. And I had
a hot take, and it was
Oakland will be a fantasy wasteland
this year. And I like
the fact that they added Martavis Bryant.
I like the fact that they drafted an offensive lineman
in the first round. That goes, that
bodes well. I just
don't really have faith in John Gruden.
I'm worried that this is going to be a really bad signing for
the next five years or more for Oakland.
I don't know how he'll play out his whole contract, but
I don't know. I don't really have faith in Gruden. I don't really care about his
track record. It's been a decade since he's coached, right? It's a pretty
mixed track record, too. Yeah, right he's coached right it's a pretty mixed track record too yeah
right exactly exactly i think four top 10 offenses and four in the bottom third of the league
so i i kind of agree with you that i'm pretty i mean i'm always going to be an amari cooper guy
and i hope they just throw it to him 150 times but the martavis bryant trade doesn't exactly
speak to that no it may be best for j Cook. Greg Olsen's offenses have heavily involved tight
ends. I think the other part of it, though, is from a positive standpoint, Gruden's inheriting
a pretty talented offense, aside from maybe Lynch just at his age. Because Derek Carr,
before the broken leg, was an MVP candidate. He did have the back injury last year. It should be
a good offensive line. Now, Penn's injury is probably going to maybe make it from good to great
or good to average.
But investing in Colton Miller, I know a lot of people thought that was questionable.
He still was considered one of the better tackles in the draft,
so he should help.
And if they could somehow get something out of Jordy Nelson still
or Martavis Bryant, this could be a very good receiving core.
So I think if Derek Carr is right, this offense could be good,
which would help Marshawn Lynch in some way, shape, or form.
But, again, I'll just go back to his age,
and I'm always going to try and shy away from those guys at this level,
this point in their career.
Well, you've got to get them at the right point in your draft too.
Yeah.
We're not talking about him as one of these top 40 overall pick.
Keep going.
Running backs.
Keep going.
Well, for you, keep going.
For most people.
Well, is he a top 60 pick?
Well, here, I'll tell you in this other draft, too, where he went.
I've got him 51th.
He played pretty well last year.
51th.
What is it?
51th?
51th overall.
So where would you take him in half PPR?
That's the fifth round.
I'll just tell you where he went.
Where would you take him in half PPR? I'll just tell you where he went. Where would you take him in half PPR?
I would probably lean toward maybe around seven.
Okay.
You?
PPR, yeah, seven.
Is that right?
Adam?
He's not going to take him.
Half PPR?
Yep.
I think...
Well, anybody's going to take him at the right price.
I think round six.
Yep.
Round nine.
103 overall.
Give me some running backs who went ahead of him.
Yeah, he did fall a little bit.
So he went, you know, I don't want to give too much away to somebody else's magazine,
but he went after Duke Johnson, which I would do as well in half PPR.
But he went after Corey Clement, Isaiah Correll, Deontay Foreman,
just looking at the running backs right around.
So I do not think I would take Duke Johnson ahead of him.
I'll tell you why.
In the PPR you wouldn't?
Full PPR I would.
Half, no.
They've got Jarvis Landry now.
100 catches quite often.
They've got Josh Gordon healthy.
I see fewer catches.
I do. And they just drafted Nick Chubb.
I see fewer snaps with Carlos Hyde there.
I see no Duke Johnson on my teams as of right now.
I see fewer touchdowns.
I pretty much agree with you, and I love Duke Johnson.
I like him as a player.
I don't like his situation anymore.
And Marshawn Lynch could score seven more touchdowns than Duke Johnson.
It wouldn't surprise me at all.
And if he does that, he'll beat him in half PPR.
He had seven touchdowns last year. Duke, right? Yeah. It feels fluk me at all. And if he does that, he'll beat him in half PPR. He had seven touchdowns last year.
Duke, right?
Yeah.
It feels fluky to me.
How many did he have the year before?
It's like he stole four or five touchdowns from Julio Jones.
We expected about eight for Julio and maybe two for Duke,
and it didn't work out that way.
Well, why don't I let you guys weigh in instead of me?
Who would you rather have in half PPR, Duke Johnson or Marshawn Lynch?
In half, I'd take Lynch.
Yeah, agreed.
Full Johnson.
Yeah.
So Duke Johnson's played 16 games in all three seasons.
He scored three combined touchdowns his first two years.
He scored seven last year.
All righty.
Moving on.
Yeah, I think we're good with that.
Ronald Jones.
Let's talk about him.
So actually, Dave is the high guy on Jones.
Heath is the low guy on Ronald Jones.
27th in Standard, 30th in PPR.
And Dave and Jamie have Jones inside their top 24 in both formats.
All right, so what are you thinking about Ronald Jones, Heath?
I would like Ronald Jones a lot more if they had not brought Charles Sims back.
Oh, my God. That's why you don't like Ronald Jones a lot more if they had not brought Charles Sims back. Oh, my God.
That's why you don't like Ronald Jones?
Here's the thing.
He has to have involvement in the passing game.
Charles Sims had 50% of the targets for the running backs last year,
and everybody else gets like 10 or 15 targets.
They don't bring Charles Sims back when they have Jacquez Rogers and Peyton Barber
unless they're planning on using him in the passing game once again.
And it's difficult to be a top 24 running back
if you don't have usage in the passing game.
I'm not sure Charles Sims makes the team.
Well, they just re-signed him.
How much guaranteed money did they give him?
To be fair, they did re-sign him before the draft.
So not knowing who they were going to get.
Yeah, they did.
I think Ronald Jones is in line to be an every down back for Tampa Bay.
And their offensive line is getting better.
Their defense is getting better.
I agree with that.
There will be more carries to go around and more catches to go around.
And I don't think that Charles Sims has done enough to have the passing downs
roll in Tampa Bay.
He's a pretty good pass catcher.
Yeah, I know.
But I think Ronald Jones can be too.
It's going to come down to training camp.
That's a training camp battle to watch.
And my money's on Ronald Jones winning it because Charles Simms sucks.
I think blitz protection is going to be the biggest thing there.
Sucks is a tough word to say.
Charles Simms does not produce the type of stats that a fantasy owner would like.
No, you don't want to draft Charles Sims, but he is a good,
I think he's a pretty good football player.
But if he is in that role, then maybe he's getting three or four catches a week.
Maybe that works for somebody in PPR if they're desperate for a running back.
And finally.
But I don't think that's the point, though.
The point is what he's taking away from Jones, not what he's doing for a fantasy one.
All right, now, finally.
Hayden Hurst, Baltimore tight end, first-round pick.
23rd for Dave and Jamie in standard.
20th for Jamie.
24th for Dave in PPR.
Heath's got Hayden Hurst.
16th in standard.
17th in PPR.
Right there in the streaming mix for Hayden Hurst.
Yeah, if he was not a rookie tight end or if there wasn't this rookie tight end
stigma, I would probably have him
in my top 12 tight ends.
That's what Joe Flacco and this
Ravens offense does.
Dennis Pitta caught 86 passes in this
offense. Two years ago it was like,
or three years ago it was what,
Ben Watson and Ed Dixon
combining for 85-90 catches?
If we start getting reports in training camp that
Hurst is really running away with the job or Joe Flacco is talking him up,
I'm going to have him as a borderline top 12 tight end. Is he the best
pass catching tight end that they have, though? That's debatable. Some people say he is, some people say
he's not. That's why training camp will determine it. Mark Andrews, I think, is
a better blocker than Hurst is.
He's absolutely a better blocker,
but he might be a better pass catcher.
He's not as fast.
Alright, guys.
They're a little different.
Would you start Hayden Hurst
against Buffalo?
Home against Buffalo. It's week one
of the season. It's either him or it's Jared Cook
off the waiver wire.
Again, it comes down to what
happens in training camp. But if he is the starter
I'm saying right now. No, I'm not going to make that
decision. Right now I would start Jared Cook.
Okay. But if he's the starter
week one and they've talked him
up through camp, I'm fine with starting
him against Buffalo. He's got Buffalo at home week one
then he's at Cincinnati versus Denver
and at Pittsburgh.
I don't love any of those matchups for any tight end, especially a rookie, a 25-year-old rookie.
He's a grown man already, Dave.
The rookie tight end doesn't even apply to him.
Yeah, he had three touchdowns in his college career.
It probably doesn't matter.
Plus a rushing touchdown.
Oh, and all three of those touchdowns
were outside of the red zone.
That's a little weird, isn't it?
Yeah.
He's an odd prospect.
He
came from baseball. He was
originally a prospect in baseball.
And his baseball,
his pitching career got derailed because he had
a case of the yips.
I had to ask Heath what that meant.
I told him about Chuck Knobloch.
You don't know what the yips are, huh?
No.
I know what chips are.
They're terrible.
I eat those.
Chips are much better. And I know what dips are.
I eat those with my chips.
Both are preferable to the yips for sure.
Chuck Knobloch is a great example.
All right, that's going to wrap up our discussion of Heath's rankings.
It is a Monday, but you might be hearing
this on Tuesday, so here are a couple of team name
Tuesdays on a Monday.
From Josh, Geis Heinz
finished last.
Wow, that's awful. That would finish
last. From Kelsey,
Vida Las Vegas.
Like Vida Vaya?
Couldn't you have just not said it in the segment?
I could have, yeah.
But if they write in, I feel obligated, Heath.
I feel obligated.
Our voicemail phone number is 954-689-3199.
954-689-3199.
And right now I'm having an internal debate.
Do I go to the voicemails or do we do some more draft leftovers?
I'll put it up to a vote. Draft
leftovers or voicemails?
Let's do one voicemail
and based on the
strength of that voicemail, we'll decide to do another
one. Let's do draft leftovers
and never do Team Name Tuesday again.
Jamie, what's your vote?
I wasn't paying attention.
Alright, then we're going to do voicemails.
So, again, 9-5-4. No, just one. My opinion doesn't paying attention. All right, then we're going to do voicemails. So, again, 954.
Thanks, Adam.
No, just one.
First time here in a month.
In my opinion, it doesn't even count.
3199.
Got outvoted.
Yeah, it's a.
One half to one.
It's a chirocracy.
954-689-3199.
Just call us up.
Give us your name and your question, and here we go.
Once I figure out how to work this thing.
Here we go.
One's the deal with Deshaun Watson?
I mean, everybody's so excited and bumps Deshaun Watson
as like their number three or number four overall quarterback.
Some even higher than that.
And he's played five games.
Five NFL games.
The athleticism behind Deshaun is awesome.
But five games, do you guys
kind of worry? Maybe you got
a little bit of an RG3 thing coming up this year?
Ooh,
that was Dan, by the way, with the question.
And why do they
end so abruptly? It's because I try to edit them
down to a more reasonable time. So thank you for the question,
Dan. Yeah, so it is,
where do you guys have Deshaun Watson, and
is there bust potential for Deshaun?
Sure.
Injury.
Top five quarterback, and it's totally based on him being healthy
and ready to go for training camp.
And we have seen the insane upside that comes along with him.
He can run.
He can throw.
He can throw deep.
He can somehow throw deep with pretty good accuracy,
and he can rack up the fantasy points.
And when it comes to quarterback, there are so many good ones that the ones that have that crazy upside that could win you your league,
like Deshaun Watson, they're worth reaching for
ahead of when you would normally not take them
because they could be a hero for your squad,
and you can always draft a second quarterback later on in the draft.
A couple of things.
I very much appreciate the sentiment expressed in that voicemail.
It sounded very much like a Heath argument.
It was just five games.
We don't know anything. But the Bill O'Brien offenses have averaged 1,075 plays,
throwing the ball 575 times over the last three years.
That's a ton of volume Andy's going to run to,
and I think what Dave said, the upside is the most important part.
There's like 24 starting caliber quarterbacks.
I'm not going to worry about a floor
When I'm drafting a quarterback
When are you going to take him?
I'm probably not because I don't take a quarterback until the end anyway
But he's my number 5 quarterback
If it's round 7 and he's there
Does it change your mind?
No
I was hoping that you would say yes to that
And then I would just keep going up a couple of rounds
Why not, Eve?
Really, round 7? That pick isn't as valuable to round 3 to that and then i would just keep going up a couple of why not he's really round seven no that
that pick isn't as valuable to like round three it's not that's that's very true it's not as
why wouldn't you why wouldn't you take a chance then i'm not saying that that's when you'll see
watson go uh i'm just saying that i'm trying to create an idea of like when the right time to take
i'm pretty much going to spend the first 10 rounds accumulating running backs and wide receivers and maybe a tight end.
That's great, but a quarterback with the potential to finish as the number one guy
in round seven, you're going to pass on that.
Or Charles Sims.
I will not be taking Charles Sims in round seven.
Jamie, if it's round seven and Deshaun Watson's there, are you going to take him?
Depends on how the quarter quarterbacks on the board the idea of spending your first like 10 picks on running
backs and wide receivers is not the worst idea and another major reason the the guy i have number
four ahead of watson is probably going to be there in round 11 or 12 big ben right yeah
i don't think he'll be there that late, but
I agree that he should be
at least a top seven
pick, top seven round pick.
So just to your point,
again, referencing this draft,
Deshaun Watson was the fourth quarterback drafted after
Rodgers, Wilson, and Brady.
He was drafted in round seven,
and so far he is only one of ten
quarterbacks that have been drafted.
So I guess if you wanted to take him there, it makes sense,
but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to
just because you could have waited and maybe gotten him a round later,
or you could have gotten somebody just as good four rounds later.
Also, he has played in seven games.
So he started six, played in seven, not five.
Yeah, I think it's fair to compare Watson and Garoppolo to a certain extent.
We haven't seen the ceiling for Garoppolo like we saw for Watson.
But everybody's excited about him too.
Yeah.
Garoppolo.
I kind of feel like we have seen the ceiling for Garoppolo.
I think he could get you a good, good week for him.
It's going to be 25 fantasy points.
Well, then I don't know if you want to draft him at that ceiling. I think he could get you a good, good week for him. It's going to be 25 fantasy points. Well, then I don't know if you want to draft him at that ceiling.
I think he'll be consistent.
I don't think he'll be – I don't think he's going to deliver 35- and 40-point bombs like Watson can.
And I would take Watson.
I would consider him starting in late round five.
And Heath mentioned Bill O'Brien.
I think that's a big difference between RG3 and Deshaun Watson.
It was just a toxic environment with the coach and the quarterback and the owner.
It was a bad environment there.
So hopefully there's more stability in Houston.
Watson's a better passer.
Just his accuracy is better.
RG3 was really accurate.
I don't know what you were watching.
RG3 was very accurate. He was like set six. Watson's better. I think Watson's better. RG3 was really accurate. I don't know what you were watching. RG3 was very accurate.
Watson's better.
I think Watson's better.
Okay. I had such fun with
that voicemail, I think we should do another one. Here we go.
Hey guys, just thinking about Corey Coleman
and the way he was able to adapt
with Deshaun Kaiser.
I think he is just going to
break out with whoever he has. It could be Tyrod
Taylor, definitely Tyrod Taylor,
the way Tyrod connected with Charles Clay.
He just has that with quarterbacks.
He scored two touchdowns in whatever games he was healthy in two years ago.
I know health is an issue,
but Corey Coleman going forward with someone taking a safety
on the other side of the field, obviously, and Josh Gordon.
Look out.
I don't have a name for this one.
I apologize.
No name.
It was the same guy, wasn't it?
It sounded just exactly like the same guy.
No, it was not.
Did you take one voicemail and turn it into two?
Turn it into two or three.
Wait a second.
I'm going to play Dan, and then I'm going to play the Corey Coleman guy.
What is the deal with Deshaun Watson?
Hey, guys.
I mean, just thinking about Corey Coleman.
They do sound similar, but they're not the
same guy, I swear.
Is there any hype for Corey
Coleman? Do you guys see it at all?
It's so weird. I think the Browns offense is going
to be good. I love their players.
They have too many now.
They do. They have too many
players. There's not enough
targets for Corey Coleman.
I'm sorry.
It's okay.
You don't have to apologize to me.
You do have to apologize to the caller, though.
He's going to have three good weeks.
He'll have seven bad weeks, and he'll have six weeks where he's injured because he hurts himself in practice.
I wonder if he even starts.
Yeah.
Well, okay, answer this question.
Ready?
Fill in the blank. If Corey Coleman has a good season, then Tyrod Taylor will be a top blank quarterback.
Well, I don't know if those go hand in hand because Baker Mayfield could start from week one.
How about this?
If Tyrod Taylor plays 15 games, then Tyrod Taylor will be a top 12 quarterback.
That's...
All right, I can see it.
Why not?
He's just not even close to as good as we think he is.
That's how I feel about him.
Yeah, I mean, is Coleman...
Has he ever been a top 12 quarterback?
On a per-game basis, I think he has twice.
Is Corey Coleman a top 60 wide receiver?
No.
No.
No.
One more. One more email.. All right, one more.
One more email.
This is a fun one.
Here we go.
How about a voicemail?
Oh, yeah, a voicemail.
Thank you, Dave.
Here we go.
Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath.
What's up, guys?
Hey, first things first, I think it's really hilarious that over the course of the last
two episodes of the podcast, we discovered that Adam was first a peeper for peeping on
Jamie, and then became a creeper for peeping on Jamie,
and then became a creeper for absolutely creeping on that girl from Las Vegas,
too.
Absolutely disgusting, deplorable.
But anyway, guys, I wanted to ask you a question about the fantasy football
league that I'm in, and I had an idea today,
and I wanted to see what you guys said about it, to see the playoffs.
I thought it would be cool, instead of having best versus worst
or anything like that, I think it would be cool to have the highest finishing
seed get to choose their matchup week one of the playoffs.
The second highest would get to choose next, you know, and so on.
And so all the matchups are decided.
And then after week one plays out, week two of the playoffs, same thing.
The highest remaining seed would get to choose their permit,
same thing that would keep going down, and do the entire playoffs that way.
And I think it would be really cool for this league where a bunch of guys
know each other to kind of be able to create some rivalry.
You know, if somebody were to try to take out one of their friends
even though it wasn't the easiest matchup.
Anyway, I think it would be really cool.
I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
That's Shane. And, yes, he's right. I am both a creeper and a pe's email. It wasn't the easiest matchup. Anyway, I think it'd be really cool. I wanted to get y'all's thoughts on that. That's Shane. Yes, he's right. I am both
a creeper and a peeper. I really appreciate
you trimming these down so they're not too long.
That was funny. I thought that was a good voicemail,
Heath. Heath, come on.
He got in all the relevant things. He talked about
Adam. He mentioned Adam quite a bit.
And then he talked about a crazy idea.
He didn't ask him to sing, which is kind of weird.
Wow, that's coming up next.
So far, we have the hurricanes have been referenced.
He got that email in.
We got something about him.
That's been in.
Well, did you see the one email that that guy sent that was, like, all about the Giants?
The subject line was just all about the things that would entice me to read it.
Where would I see that?
In the inbox.
Oh, no.
The one you actually look at.
Yeah, no, it worked, and I'm in.
And he's in the show.
Anyway, I think it's a cool idea.
I think it's a cool idea to let the high seeds pick the team they want to play in the postseason.
And we have breaking news.
I don't care what you're talking about.
C.J. Anderson has signed with...
Dun, dun, dun. I'm so nervous. It's ruined care what you're talking about. C.J. Anderson has signed with...
Dun, dun, dun.
I'm so nervous.
It's ruined us.
The Carolina Panthers.
Oh, wow.
It's not that bad, actually.
It's not great, though.
No.
McCaffrey could have been a top 10 running back in both formats.
It's okay.
Yeah.
He could.
He was 15th last year.
Standard.
Okay.
Let's answer the email question, and then we'll spend like two minutes on C.J. Anderson. Or the 15th last year. Standard. Okay.
Let's answer the email question, and then we'll spend like two minutes on C.J. Anderson.
Or the voicemail question.
Where's the email question?
The voicemail question.
I love it.
I think the idea is great. It's cool, right?
Yeah.
I think people should do it, and I think it adds more fun to the playoff teams and the
whole playoffs in general.
And I would love to be the team picked
by the one seed to play him in the first round or well here's the problem i it wouldn't be the
one seed picking me to play him it would be the three seed picking me to play because the one
and the two seed theoretically would have a buy well either way so so listen so this would be
great let's just say i eked my way into the playoffs.
I would have been the sixth seed anyway.
I'm the worst team in the league.
The number three seed picks me to play.
I kick his butt.
Then the number one seed picks me to play him.
I kick his butt next.
I would love that.
I think that that would be fun,
and anything that's fun is good for fantasy.
I would never, ever, ever want to commission that league.
Why? Tracking down people to ask them who they, ever, ever want to commission that league. Why?
Tracking down people to ask them who they want to play at that point in the year.
Why?
That's not hard.
All right, you do it one year later.
You give them 24 hours.
Why is that hard?
You know what?
Why don't you just do it in the podcast listeners league?
Yep, there you go.
Oh, well, I mean, Jamie's going to give away all the spots in that league anyway,
so you won't have to worry about it.
Yeah, by the way, whoever predicted C.J. Anderson
to the Panthers and emailed Adam, you are in the
podcast league.
Alright, so C.J. Anderson is going
to the Panthers. He averaged 4.1 yards
per carry on 245
carries last year. Just over 1,000
yards, only three rushing touchdowns.
28 catches, 224 yards,
and one receiving touchdown
for C.J. Anderson.
And it's been a very interesting season or career for Anderson.
Kind of burst onto the scene in his second season with 4.7 yards per carry,
eight touchdowns, and a limited roll, blah, blah, blah.
You know the story of C.J. Anderson.
I wasn't prepared to talk about him, so I'm just reading his stats page.
What do you think about him going to the Carolina Panthers
and replacing a lot of carries for Jonathan Stewart?
We were hoping McCaffrey would get them.
What do you make of this situation now?
There were two teams that made a lot of sense.
This really helps Marlon Mack, if you're a fan of Marlon Mack,
because I think that was one of the destinations he was looking at.
I mean, look, I don't think it really hurts Christian McCaffrey tremendously
because they were going to give those carries to somebody.
I don't think they were going to make him a 250-carry guy and an 80-catch guy.
So I think his role still increases.
I still think he has a chance to be top 12 in both formats.
Clearly PPR, he was there last year.
But C.J. Anderson, I think, is in the flex conversation.
For me, he'll be in the mid-30s somewhere.
170 carries?
For him?
Yeah.
That would be half of what's left behind,
or half of what the running backs had last year in Carolina.
All the running backs combined for 340 carries.
That does not include Cam.
Obviously, he's not a running back.
He could end up with more carries than McCaffrey,
but McCaffrey will have more touches,
and he'll have the opportunity for way more yards.
It's the touchdowns.
I mean, look, McCaffrey wasn't very good running the ball.
He wasn't very good running the ball last year.
I think he had, what, two games over 60 yards rushing?
So they'll lean on Anderson.
Can he stay healthy?
That's kind of been a problem for him.
But I think
if you were hoping for CJ Anderson to land
a good spot, this is favorable.
This does kind of
bum me out on McCaffrey in standard
scoring leagues. He only had three games last year
with more than nine carries.
And yeah, Jamie just... He had three games. year with more than nine carries. And yeah,
Jamie just... He had three games.
He had a 62-yard game, a
63-yard game, and a 66-yard rushing
game. It's pretty good, though, off the top of your head.
I mean, the Panthers didn't run the ball very well on a
per-carry basis last year, right? Not at all.
Especially if you take away Cam.
You know, then Jonathan Stewart was
3.4 yards per carry. Christian McCaffrey
was 3.7 yards per carry. I bet at the end of the day, Cam Newton averaging 5.4 yards per carry. Christian McCaffrey was 3.7 yards per carry.
I bet at the end of the day Cam Newton averaging 5.4 yards per carry on 139 attempts made them look like they had a solid running game.
But in reality, they really did not at all.
Yeah, I think McCaffrey goes from borderline number one running back to mid-range number two in standard.
Okay.
CJ Anderson or
Sony Michelle?
Michelle.
More upside with Michelle.
Yeah, right.
CJ Anderson
or, not for Dave,
but for Jamie and
Heath, right?
Marshawn Lynch or CJ Anderson?
Yeah, still Marshawn.
Alright. Kerryon.J. Anderson? Yeah, still Marshawn. All right.
Carry on Johnson or C.J. Anderson?
I'll take carry on.
Yeah, I'll take carry on as well.
It's because of the upside, right?
Of course, yeah.
Yeah, carry on.
Darius Geis or Christian McCaffrey, standard scoring?
Oh, McCaffrey.
Yeah, still McCaffrey.
I don't think this really crushes him that much, to be honest with you.
Again, they were going to give the work to – prior to this, they were talking up artist pain.
I mean, they were going to give somebody carries.
But does it set a ceiling of what he did last year?
Not a ceiling.
Can we expect him to get more?
If that's what it was, then that's not horrible.
Right.
That's still a top 15 fantasy running back.
But it takes away the potential of monster numbers.
You know you're not going to get that from him.
But it also could help him because who knows if he's physically able to do what he may have been asked to do.
But if he's not physically capable of doing that, Christian McCaffrey,
then I think he's going to be pretty disappointing in standard scoring leagues.
I think a really interesting one in standard
is McCaffrey or McKinnon now.
Yeah, I think McKinnon's probably better.
But I think you just, again,
if the floor of what he did last year,
which is 15th, and again...
That's not the floor, though.
That's not the floor because, look,
we have all these rookies running.
I don't view it that way.
Maybe I'm saying the wrong thing, but I don't think that he's going to be worse
if he gets the same amount of work, and I expect him to get more work.
And I'm saying I don't think he gets much more work now if he's got C.J. Anderson
being in on more carries.
Do you think he's going to get more carries than McCaffrey,
assuming they all stay healthy?
Maybe.
He was so good catching the ball that he had –
Christian McCaffrey had about 1,100 total yards.
That's pretty good.
We only had 435 rushing.
He's a different kind of running back than what we've evaluated in the past.
He basically makes all of his hay in the passing game.
But it scares me a little bit.
Like a guy who had two rushing touchdowns last year, 3.7 yards per carry,
if he's not going to be a better runner and get more work, it's a little scary.
A little scary.
Might be one of those guys where you just don't, you know,
you struggle every week in a standard scoring league.
Do I start him?
Do I sit him?
The matchup doesn't really matter because he makes big plays in the passing game.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, just kind of a tough guy to gauge.
Yeah, if he's averaging, though, 35 yards a game through the air,
I don't care if they're coming on the ground or in the air.
If he's averaging 60, 70 yards a game and he's scoring seven or eight touchdowns,
he's going to be good.
Yeah, the touchdowns are going to matter.
But can you expect five receiving touchdowns?
You might.
If he catches 75 passes, yes.
Yeah, I mean, for most running backs, I'd say five receiving touchdowns is going to be hard to duplicate.
But McCaffrey, maybe not.
Maybe it's going to happen.
Can he get you eight total touchdowns?
I would expect that.
Yes.
I won't.
I'll take the under.
He had seven last year.
Okay.
So, thank you, guys.
Good stuff.
We'll do more draft leftovers later in the week on our Thursday show,
likely Thursday, your last chance to get in the podcast league by telling me
if you have got five or more right in the contest.
Now let's finish the show with some emails.
Kit from Myrtle Beach said,
These two rookies,
I think this was about Alvin Kamara and Kareem Hunt.
So Kamara and Hunt remind me of a keeper decision I had 10 years ago.
See if you can guess the players
and who you would have kept.
Player A and player B.
Okay, player A and B both had about 1,250 rushing yards, 1,250, right around their rookie season.
Both averaged either 4.8 or 4.9 yards per carry.
Both had nine touchdowns.
One had 377 receiving yards.
One had 260 receiving yards.
They both had one receiving touchdown.
So, I mean, you look at player A and player B in their rookie season. Monster
years. About 1,500
total yards. 10 total touchdowns.
4.8, 4.9 yards per carry. Almost
identical stats. One
of them in year two
had 437 rushing yards.
The other in year two had
2,006 rushing yards.
So can you guess who they were?
Well, one was Chris Johnson.
One was Chris Johnson.
He was player B.
Player A had 437 rushing yards, three touchdowns, and 417 receiving yards,
four receiving touchdowns in year two.
He was a total bust, and I remember taking him, like,
with the number 12 overall pick or something that year, I believe.
So this was 2009, I want to say.
It was Steve Slayton.
So, yeah, right?
This is fun.
So Kip wants to know,
any chance Kareem Hunt or Alvin Kamara becomes Steve Slayton?
I don't think there's any chance they become Steve Slayton.
I do think there's a little bit of risk with Kamara not scoring touchdowns at the rate he did.
And I don't think you can expect him to be as efficient on a per-touch basis as he was.
His yards per carry, his yards per reception are both much higher than what you should expect for him in his second year.
Did you say Kamara or Kamara? Because I think you had the wrong guy.
Kamara.
That's Kamara, though.
Camara.
Like the car.
Camaro.
Yeah.
Dave, Jamie, any thoughts?
Who's got more bus potential, Hunter or Camara?
Camara.
Jamie?
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you for the email, Kip.
Fun blast from the past.
So Steve from Philly says,
Dear Clark, Ty, Erwin, and Dusty.
Griswolds?
Can't be.
I think these are...
Clark and Dusty?
No, it's Rusty, not Dusty.
I think these are Chevy Chase characters.
Clark Griswold, Ty from Caddyshack, Dusty Bottoms,
Erwin Fletch? Erwin Fletch.
Okay, there we go. Fletcher. Fletcher.
I'm entering the second year of my
Dynasty League. We have large benches,
14 players, so most relevant players are
rostered. This is our first rookie
draft. I was wondering what approach you take
in deciding between drafting rookies
or keeping unproven
older players?
For example, do I hold on to players like Elijah McGuire, Danny Amendola,
Trent Taylor, Andy Dalton, or throw them back for the unknown and the potential?
Does anybody?
It's really hard without knowing how many players are going to be thrown back.
I'm probably not keeping Danny Amendola.
You can probably find a replacement for him in Trent Taylor in the rookie draft.
And if not, you've got the supplemental where you might even be able to get one or both of them back if it really comes to that.
All right, but let's say you're in a PPR league.
Do you think that there is a rookie that you can get in the third round of a rookie draft
that's going to be better than Danny Amendola this year?
I bet against it.
I don't know what I expect from Danny Amendola this year.
I bet against it this year.
But the thing is, you might get a guy who's not so great this year,
but in the future could be really good.
What's Danny Amendola's future like?
Right. We're getting near the end.
Right. Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so is there
an answer here, or do we just need more context?
Throwback Trent Taylor?
He could be good, too.
I'd probably keep Trent Taylor
over Amendola.
Okay.
Here's a question from Perplexed in Connecticut.
Dear DJ Milk, the picker and the peeper, on today's show it was indicated, or on a previous show,
it was indicated that the consensus seemed to be that you would trade the number one pick in Dynasty,
I guess that means a rookie draft for two and four overall,
citing last year that Cook and McCaffrey would have been better than just Fournette.
Later in the same show, you talked about how Saquon Barkley is likely the second most valuable running back in the dynasty right now.
Those seem totally at odds to me.
You wouldn't trade Todd Gurley or Ezekiel Elliott for Darius Geis and Sonny Michel.
So why would you even consider doing that for Barkley?
Just wondering if you could expand on that conversation a bit more.
Does that make sense, or do you need to explain that further?
No, I think it makes sense.
Yeah.
So, no, it is a good question.
Would you trade Saquon Barkley, the number one pick in a rookie draft,
for picks two and four?
Nope. Heath? I think you probably should. nope Heath
I think you probably should
the problem is
I do think Barkley is head and shoulders
above the rest of these guys
but suggesting
that you'd rather have Barkley than pick 2 and 4
is suggesting that
you are probably a lot better
at projecting future value than you actually are.
It's also, I think, if there's what your need is.
Because if you need two of these guys and they both could end up being top ten running backs in 2019,
you'd rather have that than just the one guy who could be maybe third.
Or even first.
Do you guys think that Barkley is as valuable as Gurley or Zeke?
He's going to get there.
Maybe.
Yeah, I would – definitely not Gurley.
Yeah.
I would not put him – I'd put him behind those guys.
You'd put Barkley behind those guys?
Yes.
I guess – well, let's see if we can frame it differently. I'd put him behind those guys. You'd put Barkley behind those guys. Yes.
Let's see if we can frame it differently.
Would you trade right now Gurley for Zeke and Hunt?
Absolutely.
Or David Johnson and Fournette?
Sure. I'm not as sure about the second one.
The first one for sure.
That's kind of what it comes down to.
You're looking at Gurley versus guys that are in his age range
and comparing them to Barkley versus guys in his you know draft class
yeah it's tough but uh yeah i think the bigger thing is like with players that have already been
top three or four at their position and in redraft leagues we always talk about how usually the guy
that gets the better player wins
when you're talking about players that have not played in an nfl game yet i generally would rather
have two of the really good than sure one great and again go back to where we were a year ago i
think this was the basis of this conversation we were saying that leonard fournette was barkley
slam dunk number one guy maybe not the same upside but slam dunk number one pick in dynasty and as we sit here a year later you would easily take kareem hunt and alvin camara
for leonard fournette but is that who you're taking it to and for last year that's no okay
so dalvin cook and kareem hunt was in that conversation or cook and mcafree or mcafree
cook yeah okay so mcafree and cook youaffrey and Cook. Or you could have taken Joe Mixon and Corey Davis.
Could have done that too.
Yeah.
I just think this is a case of a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
And you're getting a stud running back.
Barkley's not in the hand yet.
He's still in the bush.
So are all the rookies.
Exactly.
So I'm going to take it based on NFL evaluations.
We already know that he was ranked very high on several teams' draft boards.
Based on what I saw from him in college and based on what the expectation is and what the workload is going to be,
I think this is a no-brainer.
I think it's crazy we're even thinking about it.
I mean, we're all taking Saquon Barkley in the first round, right?
But again, a year ago, we were all taking him in for net.
And for net was good.
I think Barkley is going to be better than Fournette.
Agreed.
But he was not the best rookie running back.
Fournette was the better prospect than anybody else.
And as we said a year later, he was not the best rookie running back.
Nope.
Not in the first year.
Can't take that away from him.
All righty, guys.
Final email.
John from Toronto.
First year of Dynasty.
I've been looking into some long-term prospects.
I noticed some very interesting parallels between the 2018 Giants
and the 2016 Cowboys.
Both teams drafted a stud running back with an early first-round pick.
So this is the Zeke Cowboys and the Barkley Giants.
Both teams drafted a backup quarterback in the fourth round.
Both teams have or had a stud receiver,
with Beckham being arguably way better than Dez was in 2016.
Both teams have an aging veteran quarterback
who has been with the team for a long time.
And it looks like Kyle Lalletta is maybe one to two years away
from being handed the keys to a powerhouse offense,
even less if there's some sort of freak injury.
So I think what he wanted to know was, is Loretta a sleeper, a long-term sleeper prospect,
Giants quarterback that they drafted in the fourth round?
And I would say don't discount Davis Webb from that discussion,
but it's actually kind of interesting because they are set up to have a pretty good offense going forward.
Look,
if I had read that two years ago,
you would have said, ah, it's Cowboys talk.
It would have been about Dak Prescott.
I wouldn't have said that, but I think there
are a lot of parallels between the two.
I don't think this is Dak Prescott.
You also have a situation where, and I know Eli's getting older,
but he doesn't miss games.
Romo has missed games, and he was coming off injury-plagued seasons
prior to getting hurt with the back problem again.
So, you know, I think if Dak Prescott was on the Giants right now,
he'd still be sitting on the bench.
I'm still so pissed that they benched Manning for that one game.
I'm so mad about that.
What a stupid thing.
And not even for Davis Webb, for Geno Smith.
Yeah, I know.
Like, unbelievable.
For Geno Smith.
They ruined his streak for that.
All right, well, look, we're looking.
We're at this point in the offseason.
We're looking for dynasty talk.
We're looking for long-term kind of sleepers.
So I thought that was an interesting email.
So thank you for the email, John from Toronto.
And I think what would be fun, maybe on our next show,
maybe we do like a top 12, like a first round for a startup dynasty league.
That's what I'm doing this week, actually, is dynasty rankings.
All right.
So maybe we'll wait for you next week when you come back on.
How does that sound?
That sounds great to me.
Well, that depends.
Are you going to be working?
Because you don't know if you're working or not.
Who, me?
Yeah.
Because I might take one day off this week when we don't have a show scheduled?
During baseball season.
It is.
So thank you for – now I'm all flustered.
Somebody else end the show, please.
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