Fantasy Football Today - 05/10 Draft Review: Kamara Top 8? (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 10, 2018

With the news of Mark Ingram's suspension, how high is too high for Alvin Kamara? We touch on that at the top of the show and revisit later. First, we have an even more pressing question: Is RB deeper than WR this year (2:02)? ... A bunch of takes on the Ingram suspension (6:42). Will Kamara literally run away with the job, or will Ingram return to his regular role? Are there any other NO RBs that could help in the first four weeks? Does NO's difficult midseason schedule matter? ... Some kinda fun trivia (20:55), and then it's time to review our 12-team, standard scoring mock draft (21:50). We'll take you through the first few rounds and debate Melvin Gordon vs. Kareem Hunt, Rob Gronkowski vs. Keenan Allen, Derrick Henry vs. Jerick McKinnon and more. Then we review our teams and give our final thoughts on roster construction (46:40) ... Email us [e-mail] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Here we go! We're here to help you win your league and have bragging rights on your friends. Let's go! Now, here's Adam, Dave, and James. Alvin Kamara did not have more than 12 carries in any game last year.

That could change in 2018. Welcome to the show, everybody. Mark Ingram suspended for four games, and we also did a standard scoring draft earlier this week, and we're going to talk about all of it. I am Adam Azer. You can follow me on Twitter at AdamAzer, A-I-Z-E-R. Gentlemen, your names and Twitter handles, please. Dave?

Dave Richard at FluffyPuppy787. AdamAzer's Lackey at AdamAzer's Lackey. Dave Richard at FluffyPuppy7873. At AmazersLacky. At AmazersLacky. My listeners are not being helped by this at all. Dave Richard is at Dave Richard. Singular. And Jamie is at Jamie Eisenberg. He's at Jamie Eisenberg.

J-A-M-E-Y. Very weird spelling. We're not sure why. I'm changing it to at AmazersLacky. I actually like that. You can at least change your display name. I am. Good.

Good, good. Hey, Mark Ingram. I work for you. Mark Ingram, Alvin Kamara. Is Kamara a top eight pick in fantasy drafts now? Nah. PPR, 100%. And standard, it's close.

Dave, do you agree? You don't like not even PPR, 100%. And standard, it's close. Dave, do you agree? You don't like not even PPR is not top? I was just thinking standard before PPR. I will say in PPR, he's worth that eighth pick. Okay. Not in standard, please. Well, we did the draft after the news broke. And Alvin Kamara, in a standard scoring league, 12 teams was the ninth overall pick,

and Mark Ingram went all the way in the fifth round, 49, 50, 52 overall. Mark Ingram, how about that? We are going to come back to that. We're going to come back to that in a little bit. First, I've got a question, mind-blowing question. Is running back deeper than wide receiver now? What do you think?

I think it depends on if you're talking about quality of talent and the number of really good players. Like starting lineup quality players, reliable players. I would say there's more running backs than wide receivers in that regard. Okay. Jamie, what do you think? Is running running backs than wide receivers in that regard. Okay. Jamie, what do you think? Is running back deeper than wide receiver? It's deeper from the standpoint of what Dave said.

I do think, though, that there's better – it's better at the top for running back. It's better in the middle, and by middle, I mean the number three receivers. Once you get past about 30 for both spots, receiver starts to look a lot better. Okay. Yeah, that was kind of my big takeaway from the draft that we did. I just felt a lot better about running backs. I don't know. Yeah, maybe up to about 30th in the rankings.

And as of now, I'm sure that'll change. It seems like every time I do a draft, I come away with a new takeaway and a new thought. But the way that draft unfolded on Monday, or when did we do it? Oh, we did it yesterday, right? Wednesday. The way it unfolded on Wednesday, I was like, maybe I went a little too early on. Maybe I should have taken a wide receiver

before I took Melvin Gordon. I don't know. I don't know. Just spitballing here. We'll review it. You had a big faux pas in that draft. What did I do? You took Melvin Gordon over Kareem Hunt. I thank you for that, by the way. I almost feel like it's a mistake and I didn't.

I clearly did. And it only took me nine seconds to draft Melvin Gordon. But I can't think of a reason why I didn't I think I'm just an idiot I don't know what happened there And it's funny because I didn't even notice that you took him over Hunt I noticed that you took him over Fournette Which was one of our conversations

From a previous mock draft And you were like oh I like Fournette's situation better Which is totally understandable But then I was like wait a minute You took him over Gordon, over Hunt, too? You mean I like Gordon's situation better? No. You liked, at the time, you liked Fournette's situation.

At the time, yes. Yeah. And now I'm, you know, my whole thing about bad offenses and doesn't catch passes. It's kind of occurred to me that that could easily be Leonard Fournette this year. He caught passes last year, though. He did, but certainly not like Melvin Gordon, Kareem Hunt, Alvin Kamara, or probably Saquon Barkley, the four running backs who were taken right before him. And I am not so bullish on the Jaguars this year.

How are you guys feeling about the Jags? I think if you think of them in the vein that they want to be offensively, where they're a run-heavy team, fairly conservative team, but they'll lean on their defense along with their running, then that's what they're going to be. And so why wouldn't you want the running back on a team with a really good defense that'll shut down a lot of opposing offenses and create a lot of opportunities for the ground game to thrive?

Yeah, I know. I'm just so embarrassed that I took Gordon over Hunt. But really, folks. So if you could do it again, you would take Hunt? Of course. But is Hunt really that much better than Melvin Gordon? Not that much better, no. No, but he's better.

You got it. But you're admitting that you would rather have him than Gordon, and I would too, and I think Jamie would too. Yeah. I think everybody pretty much would. Right. The question is, would you rather have Kareem Hunt over the number three wide receiver? Because Hopkins and Brown were off the board.

And even though I sit here and say that running back felt deeper than wide receiver in terms of, as you guys said, the starting caliber players, I just can't see in a standard scoring league taking Odell Beckham or Julio Jones or Michael Thomas or anyone other than Hopkins and Brown over Gordon or Hunt. I just can't see it. No, but I think it's interesting comparing those guys to Brown and Hopkins. Sure. Yeah, that's also very interesting. How do you fall on that?

I like the first four running backs, then the two receivers. So I like Gurley, Bell, Elliott, and David Johnson, then Antonio Brown and DeAndre Hopkins. That's how I like it in PPR. But I'll still take some of those other running backs ahead of Antonio Brown. Including Hunt. And honestly, I think that this whole, man, wide receiver's not that deep thing, I could have solved that problem if I had taken a wide receiver in round two, but I took Rob Gronkowski, so that's kind of why I have

the wide receiver blues. But more on that later. And you guys, I haven't even checked your teams, but I'm assuming you have a much more balanced team in terms of running back and wide receiver than I do, because I basically punted wide receiver. Anyway, let's do the news and notes. Mark Ingram suspended four games. Was it PEDs? I don't know. They say no. The NFL says yes. We'll just say he was suspended for PED use.

Well, I mean, that's what the news is. Yes. That's what he was suspended for. He's fighting it. He's mad as hell, and he's not going to take it anymore. He's probably going to take it because he's going to be suspended for four games. Give me, Jamie, your thoughts on this suspension and what it does for the parties involved. Well, they're going to have to give Alvin Kamara more work.

That's the obvious answer. And, you know, like you said last year, he only had 12 carries was his high. 19 touches was his high for a game. So he'll be in the 20-touch range for at least the first four games. I don't think this crushes Mark Ingram at all. I think it's going to end up making him a great value pick because the majority of his production last year came after week four when they got rid of Adrian Peterson.

So he's going to come in with fresh legs, and we've seen this time and time again. When a guy has the ability to stay healthy after being out, whether due to holdout or suspension, he's still in great shape by all accounts. And I think the motivation of his contract situation plus the team that he plays for. He had eight games last year with double digits and fantasy points in the standard league. They all came in the final 12 games of the season.

You said he went in round five. I think it's a great spot for him. I think he's still a number two running back. Let's face it. There are not going to be a lot of situations where guys play 14 games, 15 games, 16 games at that position and put up elite-level, elite type of numbers. Based on what we saw last year from him, he can still do it. So I can give you some kind of interesting, somewhat convoluted stats about Mark Ingram

and what you can expect from him. Last year, he was the number six running back in fantasy. And, of course, even before the suspension he wasn't ranked as a top six guy, but he was number six last year. If you took his production from the first four games of the season away, which really weren't that good, and you take away all those fantasy points. He did not score one touchdown, by the way, in those four games. He becomes from six to eight.

He goes, that's it. He was a star. He was really a, in those four games. He becomes from six to eight. He goes, that's it. He was a star. He was really a star in those 12 games. Again, eight of them were special. You talk about this a lot, Adam. The guys that catch the ball in the backfield, he's been a proven receiver for the last three years. They've used him in that regard quite a bit.

I think he's been over 50 catches or right around 50 catches for three years in a row. And so I don't see that changing very much. So I know we're all excited about Kamara and we should be, but there's still a big, big opportunity for Mark Ingram to come in and get a heavy workload. I'm nervous. I'm not as optimistic as Jamie is on Ingram. I hate the fact that I can't have him for the first four weeks of the season

and I can't have him for week six because that's when the Saints are on a bye. So if Kamara gets off to a pretty good start, what role does Mark Ingram come back to in week five when he's been away from the team for a month? I have a hard time believing he's going to come right back into a role where he's getting 15 touches a game. And then I've got to wait for week six, and then it's the second half of my fantasy season.

You have to be willing we say this all the time with guys that are suspended to begin the year you have to be willing to wait it out and you might have to wait until week seven before you can confidently put mark ingram in your lineup so i'm probably not going to have him on any of my teams um i think this alvin camara i think there's too much working against Ingram on top of the suspension and on top of not being with the team. He's been in Sean Payton's doghouse before. We've seen suspended players in New Orleans stay in the doghouse after they get suspended. Willie Sneed was an example of that last year. And Kamara and whoever else they get to split

with Kamara has basically a four-game head start on Ingram to make an impression and to keep some playing time. So you know what? Honestly, I think round five, I wouldn't take him then. Yeah, I think we learned our lesson with suspended players last year, and Ezekiel had a very good season. Different scenario, totally, but you were spending a second-round pick on Zeke last year,

and he was worth it because when he played, he was awesome. Ingram, if you're getting him in round five, will be worth it, and he will be awesome. That's pretty interesting. So let's take a look at the other stat I wanted to give was that we do have a very recent season of Mark Ingram playing 12 games, and that was 2015. And in that season, now I'm going to give where he finished. I'm also going to put a little context on it. He had a good year.

He averaged 4.6 yards per carry He was the number 14 running back In standard and number 10 in PPR That's very good However, that was This is Mark Ingram in 2015 when he missed four games 14th in standard, 10th in PPR That was 2015 which we'll go down

As like the worst running back year ever If you take his point total from that year And you put it on 2016, he's outside the top 20. Now, 2016 happened to be a very good year for running back. That's where you're drafting him, though. Yeah, and right. And you're obviously talking per game,

which is going to be better than where he finishes. But I guess Dave is worried about him being usurped. And that was – remember, I think I said he might be, before the suspension, kind of a bust. Because for one thing, I don't know that either running back – in fact, I'm pretty sure that neither Saints running back can be as efficient as they were last year. There's no chance Kamara can. Yeah. And he averts over six yards per carry. I mean, even Ingram.

They had – okay, what is this stat? They had the 13th most rush attempts in the NFL, the Saints. 13th most, and they had by far the most rushing touchdowns. Five more than number two, which was Dallas, Jacksonville, and Tennessee, all tied with 18

rushing touchdowns. And the best part about that is the slow start that they got off to. It's amazing. Ingram had 12 rushing touchdowns, didn't have any in the first four weeks. Yep. And I don't think Kamara did either. I don't know. And he caught one. I don't think that they can keep up that touchdown rate.

So I don't really know exactly how I'm trying to say this, but I was a little worried about Ingram to begin with because I think Kamara is better. And I also saw the Saints getting away a little bit from Ingram as the season went on. Kamara got a few more touches, a few more carries than Ingram. So I get where you're coming from. I get where both of you are coming from. It's a very, very interesting situation and both very good points.

Yeah, Kamara scored one touchdown in Week 3. That's amazing. How many did he have total? He had eight rushing and five receiving. He had 14 total with a special team touchdown, so 13 total touchdowns. Okay, so that's 25 touchdowns in the last 12 games of the season for those two running backs. That's incredible. Does this matter to you?

Look at the schedule after the bye for the Saints. Now, those guys are basically matchup proof, but three of the next five games after the bye, and the bye is in week six, so that's one game back for Ingram against Washington, then a bye, then at Baltimore, they usually have a good run to events. At Minnesota, we already saw. They didn't run the ball well at Minnesota last year in the playoffs. Rams, who added Indomitian Sioux, at Cincinnati should be fine.

Wow. Wow. I don't know if it matters. This is one team where the matchups might not matter. Yeah, again, like you said, those guys are matchup-proof, and what they do catches the ball in the backfield. It's hard to completely shut them down. But if they're playing from behind, which guy is going to be on the field more?

Catching passes out of the backfield. Why would they be playing from behind against those teams? They're just as good at them and not better. Well, some of them I think they're going to have a tough time against. Yeah, that doesn't mean they're playing from behind. Ooh, I like that. Minnesota Sunday night football hosting the Saints. That's going to be fun. Ooh, the Saints have a lot of primetime games, which is usually great for Drew Brees.

Primetime at home, Drew Brees, that's a guaranteed five-touchdown game. He has only two. Guaranteed. It is, basically. He has two primetime home games against Washington and Atlanta, so that should be good. He has, I think, three primetime road games, not counting a Thursday night. I have to go over it. Okay, that's – no, I don't think we're done here.

Camara in PPR goes where? First round, top ten. Yeah, top five. He's going in first round in any draft now. So just to let you know, people are going to be looking at the draft results. We're going to talk about them. I had to stop the draft after the second pick because the owner picking number two wanted to take Kamara there. In a non-PPR.

Yep. Yeah, that's it. And look, that's the type of excitement people have with him right now. I feel like if you're going to bump him up a lot, do you have to kind of think that he's going to be even better than he was last year in the 12 games that Ingram plays? You know, you can't bump him up so much just because of the first four games. Dude, I didn't bump him up at all,

even with this Ingram news. I just, I think it makes him safer now than before. I mean, he's going to get more work. So whether he goes from six yards per carry to five yards per carry or around what Ingram is, which is like 4.8. He's going to have 25% more carries. But yeah, he's going to be awesome if he can stay healthy.

My only concern with him is can he handle the workload? Sure. So I don't worry about his production because if he's getting that much more work, he was the top five guy last year, and he gave our running backs for good. Yes, he was. And so give him more work, and hopefully the efficiency is close to what it was. Yeah, he's the top five pick in PPR, and he's top eight pick in standard, without a doubt.

He fell in this draft, to be honest with you. Is he better than Kareem Hunt in PPR, and he's top eight pick in standard, without a doubt. He fell in this draft, to be honest with you. Is he better than Kareem Hunt in PPR, Kamara? Yes. No. All right. It's going to be— It's funny because he's better than him last year. Yeah.

They're very close. I think they were three and four. Right. But, I mean, what he does as a receiver, 81 catches. That's hard to replicate. And that was, again, in a shared role. They had 130 catches together, right? It's in that neighborhood. That's hard to replicate. And that was, again, in a shared role. They had 130 catches together, right? It's in that neighborhood.

Yeah, I mean, so take away the four games for Ingram. They had more than that. They had 139. Wow. Does anybody think Adam mentioned this at the beginning of the podcast, Camaro didn't have more than 12 carries in any game last year. That's going to change, but is it going to be

consistent? At least for the first four weeks of the season, does he hit 15 carries? Yes. Does he get that high every single week? Yes. Oh, by the way, who else? I'm a little worried about that. I like your confidence, Jamie, but I'm just a little bit worried that that won't be the case. It really depends on who that other running back they use is.

Yeah. It could be you. It doesn't matter. Well, if it's me, the Saints are going to be 0-4. They're giving him 15 carries a game. Is there another running back that's worth drafting in the 12th round and try to get maybe a touchdown or something in the first four games? Maybe Jonathan Williams.

You mean from the Saints or just in general? Yeah, it's from the Saints. Jonathan Williams has his chance at it. He's got experience. He can work inside as a runner. I'm not exactly sure what happened last year and why he fell out of favor in Buffalo and then spent some time on the waiver wire, if I recall, the real-life NFL waiver wire. I think he was on a practice squad, and then the Saints signed him off.

I think the Chargers practice squad. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But Boston Scott, we mentioned him. That guy's a lot like Kamara. He was the running back behind Kenneth Dixon at Louisiana Tech. And we'll see what he can do. It would be interesting if they put Kamara in Ingram's role and Scott in Kamara's role, but just give Kamara more work than Scott.

But they're going to have a competition for that second role. He was in Denver's practice. Denver. Oh, damn it, Dave. Pathetic. My bad. All right, let's do the rest of the notes. Devante Parker drawing praise from Adam Gase.

Is this – I'm sorry. Guys, I'm sorry. I pulled up an old show note. Old show notes. Those are from two years ago or last year, I guess. Every year. But, yeah, he's drawing praise from Adam Gaze, and we've read this in different iterations 15 times.

Jay Gruden currently considers rookie running back Darius Geis a first and second down guy. All right. Giants cut Paul Perkins. So do you think – does that help Saquon Barkley? Paul Perkins gone. New England left guard Joe Thune is going to – I said what they should have done was had Perkins walk the card up to the commissioner

and just keep on going. That's mean. All right. Anyway, Patriots left guard Joe Thune will have foot surgery, expected to be ready for the regular season. Should we be concerned about the Patriots' offensive line? They did address it in the draft, though. And trade.

And be a trade. Yeah, until you see how it looks. But there are new bodies there. So hopefully they're healthy. Hopefully these guys mesh. But it's a new group. I don't really worry about it from a passing standpoint because Brady covers up for a lot of holes on their offensive line,

which has been the case for several years. But their run blocking will be interesting to see how those guys do. If I had read this report before yesterday's draft, I may have taken a flyer on Chester Rogers. But Zach Kiefer of the Indianapolis Star believes that Chester Rogers is the frontrunner to be the Colts' number two wide receiver. What about you guys? Any interest there? He does remind a lot of people of Wayne and Harrison, Hilton and Rogers.

I mean, look, I've been as big a fan of Dante Moncrief as you'll find, and he hasn't materialized. A lot of that has to do with Andrew Luck not being healthy. But I think it would be between Ryan Grant and Chester Rogers and Eric Ebron as a second tight end, it's just going to be hard to trust that guy on him, whoever that guy may be on a consistent basis. He might be fourth on the team in targets.

He might be fifth. In fact, that's pretty much where he's going to be because you've got to figure Doyle will be second behind. It'll be Hilton, Doyle, and then Grant and Ebron are probably going to scrap for third and fourth. So if you want the guy that's going to finish fifth in targets, go get the former Grambling. I do think, though, best ball, Rogers is a good flyer now because if he does win that job and starts 16 games,

he'll get you number four receiver production. Jamie's got a trivia question for us. Don't you? Well, I mean, it wasn't really that exciting. I don't know why you want me to do it here, but which two running backs from the 2005 NFL draft are still in the NFL? Which two running backs from the 2005 NFL draft are still in the NFL? I have a guess, two guesses.

I think one's right and one's wrong. I'm going to let the listeners think about it for three, two, one. Darren Sproles and Marshawn Lynch. One right, one wrong. Sproles and Marshawn Lynch One right One wrong Sproles is right right Yes Gore was drafted

Oh I don't think he was part of the 05 draft was he I think he was 04 Was it Gore Frank Gore and Darren Sproles It is Gore Gore was 05 Marshawn was the 2007 draft

With Adrian Peterson Okay Alright thank you, Jamie. Good trivia. Everybody impress your friends at a party with it. Let's talk about the draft that we did. 12-team standard scoring, 15 rounds, and we're doing PPR next week. Dave, what was one big takeaway for you from this draft?

I would say that the biggest takeaway was it was a good feeling to be balanced early on. Kareem Hunt somehow fell to me in the first round. It was really great picking eighth in the first round. I was very excited about that. And then in round two, I kind of have a feeling about wide receivers this year. And you don't want to be left out. You want to get at least one really good one. And I consider Devontae Adams to be a really good one. So I took him in round two. And I've done enough mock drafts so far this offseason where I've taken two running backs early and I get to the receivers in round three

and if I don't get Tyreek Hill I'm feeling like somebody punched me in the gut and it hurts a lot and it makes me cry so I didn't have to do that I liked having all my options on the table in rounds three and four um might have missed a chance to get Demarius Thomas I think it would have been round three when I took him, when I could have taken him and then taken a running back on the way back. But I took Joe Mixon instead just because I think he's got a little more upside. Demarius Thomas was a tough one for me. I was really thin at wide receiver, and I just wasn't sure.

When did Demarius Thomas go? First pick of round four. First pick of round four. Okay. So he didn't even – I would have had to take him in round three, and I just wasn't comfortable doing that. But you got your guy. I got Derrick Henry, yeah, in round three.

My first spot for him. Seven picks after I got him in the other draft we did, but I never would have gotten him with my next pick. I decided there is no – okay, what is a reach in a draft? If you cannot get the guy you want with your next pick, then there is no such thing as a reach. I mean we talk about that all the time. Right. If you're picking on an end and you know it's however many picks, 13 picks before you pick again. It's hard to, you know, justify.

Or not 13 picks. 24 picks. 24 picks until you pick again. It's hard to justify saying, I really want this guy. I got to get him. It's hard to justify? I really want this guy. I can't wait to get him.

Yes. So that is easy to justify. Yeah. That reach. Yeah. So I did get Derrick Henry over to Marist. Whatever. Forget about me. Forget about my team. Yeah, so I did get Derek Henry over Demarius. Whatever. Forget about me.

Forget about my team. Dave, so you want to be balanced. I liked being balanced. What were your first five picks? And which pick? You had the eighth pick. You had Kareem Hunt, and then what? Hunt?

Devontae Adams. If you had taken Hunt, you would have taken what? Probably Fournette was still there. So I would have taken Fournette. Not Barkley. Melvin Gordon. No, I think I still have Fournette ranked ahead of Barkley. So a running back would have been where I went in round one

because the receivers were gone, and I'm not even sure I would have taken a receiver there anyway. Hunt, Adams, Mixon, Alshon, Jeffrey, and then I believe my fifth round pick was Jamal Williams. Hunt, Adams, Mixon, Alshon. Jamal Williams. Alshon was another interesting one because sometimes I think, you know, people are going to see this draft online.

They're going to look at the team. I want them to think I know what I'm doing. I don't want the comments section to be like, who's this Adam Azer guy? So in a mock draft. He passed on Kareem Hunt. I don't know what the hell I was doing. In a mock draft – regular season. I'm not sure if that's really on the forefront of people's minds. Not yet. He's better in a mock draft maybe that if we were actually playing this out,

I don't know when I would take Alshon. You took him 41st overall. Yeah. Too soon for me. Dave? I'm assuming he'll be ready to go at the start of the season. I've kind of had it in my mind that if I can't get a wide receiver

that's going to come close to 120 targets or over, then I want one that's going to get a lot of touchdowns. I think he's got a chance to do both. I think he can get over 120, and I think he can score a bunch of touchdowns. It's just a matter of him being healthy. I like that he's in the right offense for that. He is in the right offense, but fewest receptions of, I think, the top 20 wide receivers. That touchdown dependency is so scary because if he regresses

and stays at the same amount of receptions in yard, it's going to be hard, hard, hard for him to come anywhere close to what he did last year. Okay, so Jamie, how about you? What was the takeaway from the draft that we did? I was glad to see that people did wait on quarterback. We've seen a few drafts that we've done lately that that's not been the case as much as we've been preaching that it is as deep as it's ever been, if not more. So the first quarterback was Rodgers in round three.

Russell Wilson was the second quarterback in round four. Brady didn't go until round five. And then I think there was a sliding scale after that. Deshaun Watson, I believe, was the next one off the board. If not, Carson Wentz. And Wentz didn't go until round eight. So Watson was round seven. So that's where you're starting to see, I think,

where you can wait and get good value. Again, that's probably not going to be realistic in a lot of user drafts, but we did this draft with a couple of people, some of our CBS Sports HQ producers that have played fantasy before. They're in, at least in one case, they're in leagues with us that we're playing out, and one that I've never done a draft with them ever, and they waited.

It's not like they listen to our show. I don't believe so on a consistent basis, so it's not like they hear us talking about it all the time. So I was just pleased to see that we didn't have a lot of people jump up and take quarterback. So after you saw those guys go, again, Wentz in round eight, that sort of started, I think, a little bit of a mini run. Breeze went with the last pick in round eight. Round nine, Adam, you took Andrew Luck. I took Cam Newton, you know, and then you're starting to see it, you know, Dave took Ben Roethlisberger in round 10, you know, so you're starting to see the quarterbacks then start to fill in a little bit there.

Yeah, and remember, these are 12-team leagues, so once you get to about, you know, round nine, round eight, round nine, you're starting to get close to pick 100. And I had a moment where I took Luck and you took Cam, and I said, why did I take luck over Cam? I'm not sure. Because of your draft. Yeah, right?

Like, what was I thinking? I don't know. I must have been distracted. You went full bonehead. I remember I was writing an article, a fantasy baseball, like, blog post or something. So that may have been part of it. But it didn't take the whole draft. It didn't last from round one to round nine.

I don't know what the hell. But I don't know. Like, is that so bad? Luck over Cam? Yeah. Why? I mean, obviously, if luck's 100% healthy, the ceiling for luck is higher, as we've seen.

Or, you know, on par, at least. So I just think it's hard to pass on what Cam was last year in a bounce-back season and now has more weapons around him. So I like Cam a lot better. Cam, to me, is better than Wentz. He's almost right there with Deshaun Watson.

And you can easily say he could be better than Wilson and Brady. I feel like Cam wasn't even that good last year, and he was the number four quarterback, I believe. He was really inconsistent. So he had a bunch of huge games and a lot of crummy games. Yeah, I mean, 22 passing touchdowns, 16 interceptions,

only 3,300 yards. His rushing totals, he had six rushing totals. What a surprise. 754 rushing yards. Yeah. That's pretty good. Yeah, he was an interesting quarterback last year.

Ended up as a top five guy, not on a per-game basis, I'm sure. All right, so people did wait on quarterback, and yeah. Did anybody take two quarterbacks? Will Brinson did. I'm not sure if that was a mistake or not. He said he got auto-picked. It may have been by mistake. I thought he said, excuse me, I didn't stop it as the commissioner.

But he took Kirk Cousins along with Drew Brees. I meant you guys. Oh, no, I did not. I'm not going to take a second quarterback with Cam. I'm trying to think of anybody else. I did. I wanted to. I took Goff.

I took – You need to if you're drafting Luck now. Yeah. I was pretty happy. That was actually my favorite part of my team, Luck and Goff. I mean, that's pretty – that's a lot of upside there. All right, yeah, my takeaway was really about the running backs and the wide receivers. So let's get into the draft results.

And Aaron Rodgers, by the way, he went in a very interesting range. He went right in the middle of a five running back run. Derrick Henry, Joe Mixon. It's hard to be in the middle of a five running back run. Derrick Henry, Joe Mixon. It's hard to be in the middle of five. Derrick Henry, Joe Mixon, Jarek McKinnon, Aaron Rodgers, Kenyon Drake, Alex Collins. You say it's hard to be in the middle of five? Well, when you're the sixth, it's hard to be in the middle of a six-person run. There were five running backs and one quarterback.

There's no middle. Gotcha. Yeah. I said it wrong. I'll show you something in the middle of five if you want to see it. This has not been my day. If you heard the Fantasy Baseball podcast, I was just terrible this morning. It's worth downloading and listening to my stupidity.

You know what's good to clear your head? What's Brooklyn Nine-Nine? No, get in a car, take a ride, open the window. All right, yes, I got a car yesterday. And I was out late. I was car shopping. It took a while. So I guess I'm sleep deprived.

But I'm also going to the Yankees game. That's cool. You driving? No, I'm not. Train. Train. I wouldn't take a new car to the Bronx, my man. All right, Todd Gurley was number one.

It's two running backs, two receivers, tight end flex, you know, like we normally do. Gurley won. Le'Veon Bell, too, although remember it was supposed to be Kamara, and then we were like, pump the brakes, my friend. Ezekiel Elliott, three. David Johnson, four. DeAndre Hopkins, Antonio Brown, five, six. Gurley, Bell, Zeke, David Johnson, Hopkins, Brown,

Melvin Gordon to some moron who took Gordon before Kareem Hunt, then Kareem Hunt to the guy who drafted after the moron. So I took Gordon, Dave took Hunt. Alvin Kamara, 9. Odell Beckham, 10. Saquon Barkley, 11 to Jamie. And then Leonard Fournette, 12. What a lucky break for the teams picking 11 and 12.

Why? Because I don't think Barkley and Fournette are going to fall that far. Maybe in PPR, Fournette will, but not in standard. Fournette, the drafts I've seen, he's falling to 10, 11, 12. It usually depends on where the receivers go and how many of them go in front of him outside of the top two. I just think that Barkley and Kamara, I think, fell in this draft. I don't really know how anybody fell their top 12 picks.

Well, I mean, when you start to nitpick what a first round should or potentially could look like, like I told you, I was in another draft, half-point PPR, Barkley went sixth. Okay, so where should they go? Who went ahead of Kamara and Barkley that should not have? Melvin Gordon. Why? I really don't get that. I mean, Gordon's been like—

I understand what you're saying. I'm just telling you what average draft position is going to be. Well, screw that. I want I understand what you're saying. I'm just telling you what average draft position is going to be. Screw that. I want to know what you guys think. No, I think that they're all great running backs. I just think there's a higher ceiling for Kamara and for Barkley. All right, Melvin Gordon has had more than 1,400 yards, two straight years, and double-digit touchdowns, 12 total touchdowns, two straight years.

If I'm getting 1,412, I have no problem with Melvin Gordon seventh overall. Me neither. It's fine. I just think, again, you could get 1,512 for Barkley. I hope so. All right. So there we go. That's round one.

Round two. Here come the wide receivers. Only three receivers. I will say, I know we may get to it, but RJ White, I like my team. He destroyed this draft. Oh, did he? His team is awesome. Well, that sucks.

No, it's very good. I'm taking a look at it now. Oh, I don't like his number two receiver. Do I like any? He's got a very PPR team, Jamie. It's great. He's got... All right, this is interesting because this is a very PPR team.

It's Kamara, A.J. Green, Jarek McKinnon, Adam Thielen, Julian Edelman. Kamara and McKinnon, A.J. Green, Adam Thielen, Julian Edelman. Who's his next running back? Kerryon Johnson. Okay, I like that pick in round six, but there's uncertainty there. Why do you like that team so much? I mean, in PPR, it's going to win the league for sure, but why do you like it so much?

I don't think it really matters. Again, Kamara was, what, fourth? McKinnon should be top 15 this year. I think Kerryon Johnson could be a top 24 guy. Green and Thielen, I don't think you're going to find those guys slip past round four. Certainly Green. Thielen's going to be a top four pick in standard, if not round three.

I think Edelman's going to return and be 1,007. Robert Woods, I think, is the best receiver for the Rams. I like this team a lot. Dave, what do you think? I think it's a good team. I think he drafted really well. I don't know if it necessarily means that he destroyed the draft. I just think he took really good players pretty much at every spot he was at.

I think a lot of really good-slash-fair values fell into his lap. I'm not sure if I agree with Edelman as a great pick in round five when there were some other interesting players that he could have taken. That might be a case where he wanted Edelman, he looked at everybody else that was there, and he looked at the teams that were picking after him, and he realized that he wasn't going to get them. And if that's the case, then I get it.

Yeah, I love Edelman in that spot. I like him better than Jeffrey, for example, just the guy we were talking about. I think there's a much higher ceiling for Edelman this year in his situation than Jeffrey. Yeah, and we get to Gronkowski here in round two. Julio Jones, Jamie took Michael Thomas, and then Matthew Koka, who took – he took Odell Beckham over Barkley and Fournette. He ends up with Dalvin Cook with the third pick of round two. I think after that, now we've got maybe some question marks at running back because the next running backs after Cook are Jordan Howard, LaShawn McCoy. Devontae Freeman went in the third round.

I like that. So, yeah, right? I mean, Dalvin Cook is the end of the elite tier. Is that fair? I don't know if we can call Cook elite. Yeah, he's the end of what I would say is the first-round caliber running backs. Okay, better said. All right, so Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, Dalvin Cook, A.J. Green, Devontae Adams to Dave.

Then I took Rob Gronkowski over Keenan Allen, who was with the very next pick. I would have taken Devontae Adams over Gronk, but Adams came off the board. So, Dave, were you considering Gronkowski when you took Devontae Adams? No. Why? Kowski when you took Devante Adams? No. Yeah, why? No, because I know I can find, you know, I wasn't hoping to end up with a quote-unquote serviceable tight end. Later on in the draft, I took one that's got some upside but plenty of downside and Jordan Reed, but it came way later. I know that if I pass on Gronk, it's not quite as bad as it's been in the past

where if you don't take Gronk, the drop-off is so steep. You've got Kelsey, you've got Ertz, you have a chance at them, hopefully with your next pick, if you really want to have a great tight end on your team. And I think it's a good idea to do it. I just didn't do it in this draft. Sure. So one thought I had about Gronkowski, let me know what you think. I don't know if we really talked about this, at least since the Cooks trade.

They didn't address the position. So is Gronkowski even better than he was? They didn't address what position? Wide receiver, pass catcher. Let's say that. Well, I mean, they're getting two significant contributors from the year before back. They're getting Edelman and? Malcolm Mitchell.

Don't forget about Jordan Matthews. They signed Jordan Matthews. They signed Cordero Patterson. Okay, well. They took a flyer on Kenny Britt at the end of the season. I mean, they have a lot of guys. They still have George Smith. They do.

I know, but, I mean, they don't have Brandon Cooks anymore, that's for sure. And he scored seven touchdowns. Yeah, but, I mean, Hogan was on pace for ten before he got hurt. Is Gronkowski's value the same as it was before the Cooks trade? Yeah, I don't think that's really relevant. Okay. Works for me. So, all right, here we go.

Julio, Michael Thomas, Dalvin Cook, A.J. Green, Devontae Adams, Rob Gronkowski. First six picks of round two. Keenan Allen, Jordan Howard, LaShawn McCoy. Maybe the earliest I've seen Kelsey go. Heath took Kelsey with the 10th pick of round two. That is 22 overall. Tyreek Hill and Mike Evans. So let me read the last six picks of round two.

Keenan Allen, Jordan Howard, LaShawn McCoy, Travis Kelsey, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans. I love Mike Evans there. That's a steal. Dave, your thoughts on these six? Is there a bad pick here? I'm not excited about LaShawn McCoy. I'm worried about him breaking down. I'm not saying he's a reach.

This is right about where he's going to go. Late round two, maybe early round three. Someone's going to take him because they know what he's done, and they think, oh, he'll just do it again. I don't know if I buy that he'll do it again. The thing that's in his favor is he's going to get a lot of work. Last year was the second most receptions of his career, 59, with the receiving court being do it again. The thing that's in his favor is he's going to get a lot of work. Last year was the second most receptions of his career, 59,

with the receiving court being what it is, and either a career backup or a rookie with A.J. McCarron or Josh Allen, a quarterback. They have to replace three offensive linemen. That's not exactly a very encouraging situation. Three starters from Uruguay are gone. But if he does, I agree with Dave,

the breakdown potential is there for him. He'll be 30 in July, over 2,100 career carries, 2,500 career touches. But if he's able to stay healthy, and I think that's something that we probably have to reevaluate is as we move on as a species, you're able to be a little bit more durable as you get a little bit more older, as we're seeing with some of these guys. Marshawn Lynch last year, Frank Gore, guys are able to play into their early 30s. So if he can hold up for another 300 touches, then he's going to be good. But it's a risk-reward type of thing. The thing that I didn't like about the owner who took him was this was an owner that drafted David Johnson in the first round

and could have had one of Mike Evans, which would have been a great pick, Doug Baldwin, Tyree Kill, and then could have come back in the third round and still taken Christian McCaffrey, Derrick Henry, Joe Mixon. Or Devontae Freeman. And that would have been – well, yeah. Maybe Freeman. Freeman was gone already. You could have had stud running back, still stud wide receiver, especially in Evans' case, and then still very good, if not comparable, number two running back to what LaShawn McCoy could be, especially like Adam, you believe in Henry. If Henry gets you 1,012 touchdowns, which I think is on the table for him,

he's going to be very close to LaShawn McCoy's production. Okay. So that was round two. I thought Jordan Howard was a little early. What did you guys think? Yeah. Totally. He's more of a round three pick, too.

All right. Round three. T.Y. Hilton, Doug Baldwin, Devontae Freeman, Stefan Diggs. Man. Fourth pick of round three. And that's, again, that's what that owner did. He went David Johnson, LeSean McCoy, Stefan Diggs.

Which, again, you know, there's certainly a lot to like about those guys, but could have done a few things differently, and I think you would have been a little bit happier with the receiver being your better bet as opposed to your second running back. Christian McCaffrey, Zach Ertz. That's the first six picks of round three. Hilton, Baldwin, Freeman, Diggsman, McCaffrey.

McCaffrey and Zach Ertz. Now, McCaffrey, I know we talked about the news the last show we did because it happened in the middle of our show with C.J. Anderson signing. I think this is where you're going to see McCaffrey going to Standard League. Early part of round three. He's still, again, he was the 15th best running back in Standard Scoring Leagues last year. He was the 14th running back drafted here. So it's right in the range of where he could still end up.

It's just a matter of will he get more than 117 carries. I think that's still well within reach, even with Anderson there. Well, we should really focus on the running backs in this round. So after McCaffrey-Zekers was taken, and then we have this group of six picks with five running backs and Aaron Rodgers. Derrick Henry to me, Joe Mixon to Dave, Jarek McKinnon to RJ, then Aaron Rodgers, Jamie took Kenyon Drake, and Darce took Alex Collins. I mean, this is, like, this portion of the draft, I mean, a lot of maker,

I wouldn't say break, but a lot of guys who could have massive years and be just amazing for your fantasy team uh i don't know if we want to include mcafree but or excuse me freeman but freeman then mcafree derrick henry joe mixon jerek mckinnon kenyon drake alex collins dave does this group excite you do you want to do the wave right now you're so excited about these running backs no i don't want to do the wave right now but You're so excited about these running backs. No, I don't want to do the wave right now, but I do think that this is what you keep in your back pocket when you begin your draft and you're looking at round one and you decide to go with a wide receiver.

Did you just do the wave, Adam? Look at you. You're so excited about it. Come on. Jamie's next in line. He's not doing it. I think I saw your pits. Oh, gross.

The funny thing is, you know how people with long hair, when they make a quick motion, like the hair goes, you know, like a wave a little bit later? His arm hair, like he brought the arm down, and then the arm hair flapped down afterwards. I didn't know where you were going with that. Go ahead, Dave. I'm sorry. No, I just, I think that there are very, very appealing running backs in round three that you'll go gaga for as your number two running back.

But even if you started receiver-receiver and one of these guys was your number one, Freeman is your number one. I think you'd be okay with it. McCaffrey is your number one. You probably wouldn't be as excited. Henry, Mixon, Drake, and Collins, I think they'll be okay. McKinnon is your number one. Maybe you just really struck it rich and got lucky in the first two rounds. Fantastic pick. Love McKinnon.

Yeah, I think you like him a little more than that. Yeah, he's the number one running back for me. I like him better than Freeman. I like him as a top 12 guy. I think going into Kyle Shanahan's offense is going to be fantastic for him. So yeah, I'm with you, Adam. I think this is a great, great group, great round of running backs. And it kind of lends to what your argument was, is that running back is deep, that you get to the third round and you still have guys that are in the conversation to be number one guys.

Henry's in that conversation. Freeman's in that conversation. Mixon potentially could be in that conversation. Drake, if he starts this year the way he closed last year, will be in that conversation. So it's a tremendous group. It really drives home the point that one of your first two picks should be a wide receiver. Or Gronk.

Yeah, right, or Gronk. All right, we'll talk about our teams. But I think what really drove home the point about the depth of the running back to me was round five. I know we're skipping over round four. Round four was kind of a wide receiver round. But round five, Sonny Michel, Mark Ingram, Lamar Miller, Jay Ajayi, Jamal Williams, Royce Freeman. Now we get the rookie running backs kind of involved here. Sonny Michel, Mark Ingram, Lamar Miller, Jay Ajayi, Jamal Williams, Royce Freeman.

That's pretty good. And then in the next round, Marlon Mack and Kerryon Johnson. And we're more than 60 picks in at this point. And Deion Lewis, I mean, Marshawn Lynch. I don't know. That's round six. So, yeah, it just kind of struck me like, damn, there's some really good running back value. And here's the problem with RJ's team Jamie the cheerleader over there Like you gotta have a

You gotta have a running back as your flex In a standard Could be Kerryon Johnson It could be In which case yeah very good job Good job RJ White Alright let's talk about our teams Dave you had the 8th pick

I did How did it turn out Dave Well I already went over the top 5 picks I did. How did it turn out, Dave? Well, I already went over the top five picks. I'll do it again real quickly. Hunt, Devontae Adams, Joe Mixon, Alshon Jeffrey, and Jamal Williams in round five. I got to disagree with you, Adam. I think the running backs in round five weren't all great.

I was very happy. Not all. Not all. But it's a good group for after 50 picks in. I think it's an exciting group. And it might just be another thing that we're going to have to touch on between now and August in that round five, round six, the players that you really want to target there might help further fulfill what type of a draft strategy you want to have.

I was really happy with Jamal Williams in round five. I think that he's the best of the Packers running backs. I think he's got a chance to finish maybe toward the low end of the top 12, but certainly as a number two running back. And don't mind having him as my flex. I think that's going to be good for my team. After that, I took Brandon Cooks to be my third receiver in round six. I believe my seventh round pick was Tevin Coleman. Why don't you give it to us by position? You want me just to run down the team instead of going round

by round? Yeah. And that'll help everybody out? Okay. Ben Roethlisberger, Jamie mentioned it. I got him in round 10. I was thrilled. I like Big Ben a lot this year. I would have liked to have gotten a second quarterback. It didn't happen. Running backs are Hunt, Mixon, Jamal Williams, and

Tevin Coleman, Corey Clement, Deontay Foreman, and even Spencer Ware. It took me over a year, but I finally drafted Spencer Ware. Because you have Kareem Hunt. Yeah, he was my last pick. I took a kicker before him. Alshon Jeffrey, Devontae Adams, Brandon Cooks, and Robbie Anderson are my wide receivers.

That's all I got. I was looking to get one of the rookie wide receivers, but they kept going in front of me, so I just didn't end up getting them. Tight end is Jordan Reed. Hopefully he's ready week one. I look at him as more of a high upside slash streamer, and just getting him in the double digit rounds is where I feel comfortable taking him. Kicker Greg Zerlein, defense Rams DST. It's always cute to get the kicker in the DST of the same team. Okay.

So Roethlisberger, Hunt, Mixon, Adams, Alshon Jeffrey, and Jamal Williams at flex. Jordan Reed is your tight end. Rams and Zerline. And then, yeah, you have Tevin Coleman, so you're a Devontae Freeman injury away from

having an amazing group of running backs. You have Corey Clement. Why Corey Clement? I just want a depth at running back, and I think he'll play a decent amount. Not a huge amount for the Eagles, but a decent amount. Let me see one thing here. Clement went in round 13. You could have taken Jack Doyle instead.

What do you think? What do you mean? You got Jordan Reed. I'm not excited about Jack Doyle instead. What do you think? What do you mean? You got Jordan Reed. I'm not excited about Jack Doyle. I don't mind taking two tight ends. In fact, I think I'm getting to the point where if I get a – it's like an if-then situation. If I get a quarterback that's got some injury concerns,

then I'll get a second quarterback. If I get a quarterback that doesn't have those injury concerns, then I'll try and get two tight ends. Because if I had my pick, I'd rather have two tight ends and hope that I hit on both of those versus getting two quarterbacks and hoping that I hit on both the quarterbacks. Because it's not going to do you as good to have a great second quarterback when quarterbacks are going to be plentiful this year.

You could have taken O.J. Howard. Nobody took O.J. Howard. I'm fine with Howard for now, for Howard, for Jordan Reed for now. Okay. Jamie, your team picked 11th. Yeah, one thing of note, I think we may have an understanding why the Panthers signed C.J. Anderson. They placed Fozzie Whitaker on injury reserve with a torn ACL.

So that happened in OTA. So they need some running back depth. That may explain why they were the aggressor in getting C.J. Anderson, they placed Fozzie Whitaker on injury reserve with a torn ACL. So that happened in OTA. So they need some running back depth. That may explain why they were the aggressor in getting C.J. Anderson. I have – you want just the positions? Yeah. So I have Cam Newton at quarterback. I have Saquon Barkley and Kenyon Drake at running back. Marlon Mack and Royce Freeman are the reserves with Kalen Balazs and Chris Carson.

The receivers are Josh Gordon, Michael Thomas, Cooper Cup, Will Fuller, and Kenny Stills. I was thrilled to get Stills. I think it was round 12. I think he's the best offense receiver. Yeah, I was looking at him. So I was happy about that as a fifth receiver there. Kyle Rudolph at tight end, and then the Saints defense and Mason Crosby. Cam Newton, the thing I like about your first five picks,

like the first five players on your roster, not in order you pick them, but position. Cam Newton, Saquon Barkley, Kenyon Drake, Josh Gordon, Michael Thomas. They are all, ooh, ooh, and Kyle Rudolph. They are all, oh, no, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I was going to say they're all in different divisions, but they're not. And that's really not that important in fantasy, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I was going to say they're all in different divisions, but they're not. And that's really not that important in fantasy, I guess.

Cam, Barkley, Drake, Josh Gordon, Michael Thomas. Thomas and Cam are in the same division. Bummer. Kyle Rudolph, Royce Freeman is your flex. You have Kalen Balazs. That's how you pronounce it? Mm-hmm. Kalen Balazsio.

LOL. Chris Carson and Marlon Mack. For some reason, you did not take the other Colts running back. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. You took him from me, Jordan Wilkins. That was somebody that I wanted and wanted badly, and I probably should have taken off. Let me see what round that was.

Round 10, I think. Did Hines get picked? Yeah. The big eight rookies were drafted in the first seven rounds with Barkley, Penny, Geis, Michelle, Chubb, Jones, Freeman, and Kerryon Johnson. Is that eight? I think that's eight. And then the three other rookies that were drafted at the running back spot

were the two Colts guys and Hines and Wilkins and then Balazs. So there were 11 rookie running backs drafted. There were six rookie wide receivers drafted, which I think is a little bit of a surprise because on top of the four that we've talked about a lot, Christian Kirk and Cortland Sutton went. I don't know if those guys will necessarily get drafted in a league this small or an average-sized league.

But you took Jordan Wilkins in round 10. I took Kyle Rudolph. I couldn't i took kyle rudolph i couldn't pass on kyle rudolph so i i didn't take quarterback in tight end until round nine and round 10 i thought i got great value with cam in round nine with kyle rudolph in round 10 and so i was hoping to in round 11 take jordan wilkins and you took it from me in round 10 this is just an outstanding team barkley and drake michael thomas and josh, Kyle Rudolph-Royce, and then your flex could be either Royce Freeman or Marlon Mack. I mean, those are two

looks like number one running backs for their teams. And Will Fuller, Cooper Cup, Kenny Stills, so nice work, Jamie. Yeah, it goes back to what Dave was talking about. I think if you could come away from your team looking at it as you have balance, but it's not just balance. It's balance with guys that have the chance to be great at their respective positions.

Barkley should be great as a running back. Thomas should be great as a receiver. Cam has been great. Rudolph's been a top six tight end each of the last two seasons, so especially getting him where I was able to. And then it's the other players that should have, if everything goes right, huge ceilings. Kenyon Drake, we saw it last year. Josh Gordon, we've seen it before.

Royce Freeman, Marlon Mack, like you mentioned, they're going to have great opportunities. So that's the way you kind of want to build your team is stars and then guys that could be stars. That's obviously the goal that you want to achieve. Okay. Well, I don't know how much I'd achieve that. Andrew Luck.

You've got Jordan Wilkins, though. Andrew Luck is my quarterback. Kareem Hunt should be my running back, but instead somebody wrote Melvin Gordon there. Derek Henry, number two running back. And I have Rob Gronkowski. Jay Ajayi is my flex. I don't really want to admit who my wide receivers are. Go for it.

But everything else so far is good if Luck is right. Yeah, yeah. Well, I have Luck and Goff, I think, between the two of them. I think I'm okay at quarterback. Gordon, Derek Henry, and Jay Ajayi are starting for me in a standard scoring league. I think that's great. It's a lot of touchdowns. Amari Cooper and Chris Hogan are my starting wide receivers.

And I – that's not great. Let's go back for one second because I think you made the right choice to take Ajayi in round five because you weren't sold on anybody there. But you could have had Edelman. You could have had Landry. You could have had Cooks or Hogan, or you took Hogan. So that was a good pick in round six. But you could have had any of those other receivers instead of taking your flex.

I think, again, you made the right choice because a starter is a starter no matter what you're playing him. But I don't mind your receivers. Cooper and Hogan are fine. Especially since you've got Gronk at tight end. Yeah, I mean, it's very cool. You basically have a top 12. That's how you have to look at Gronk. When you take him, you're saying, all right, listen,

he's a top 12 type of wide receiver with injury concerns that I've got to plug into my tight end spot. Yeah. So maybe you look at your best two wide receivers other than you've got three great receivers. You've got Cooper. You've got Hogan. You've got Corey Davis.

Is Cooper great? What are you? I think he's got. I think he could have a very good year under John Gruden. I'm not afraid to draft. He's good. He's good. I mean, he's not going to be as bad as he was last year, clearly.

But you kind of know what he is. I mean, he's not going to be as bad as he was last year, clearly. But you kind of know what he is. I mean, he's 70 catches, 1,000 yards, 7-8 touchdowns. That's not bad. Yeah, you would take that in a heartbeat right now. I don't even know if he's going to be quite that good. Seven touchdowns is probably what he's going to be. Yeah, I really wanted one of the Patriots wide receivers. So I was glad that I was able to get Hogan in round six.

Is that where I got him, round six? So think of it this way. You're going to have potentially a weekly battle over who you're starting between Hogan, Davis, and... Oh yeah, so we didn't say my other receivers. Right, right, right. You've got Corey Davis on your team.

And I told you this yesterday during the draft. I debated Mack and Hogan in round six. Yeah, okay, so here are my bench-wide receivers. My goal was to take number one receivers on their teams, and I have three of them on my bench. Corey Davis, Michael Gallup.

He was one of my last picks. Devontae Parker, and I have Cameron Meredith. Number two on the Saints is usually – is often better than number one on other teams. I don't know if – I don't think I have a star there, but I could see having a number two receiver out of Corey Davis. Davis could be that guy. I think he could, for sure. Adam Gase is impressed with Devontae Parker, didn't you hear?

That's true. I hear nice things about Devontae Parker every year. There's 116 catches and nine touchdowns that have to be replaced on that Dolphins offense. So listen, Adam, this is the point I was trying to make. You should have taken Danny Amendola. Albert Wilson. Leontay Carew. So, this is a pick-your-poison type of question.

Would you rather battle in your mind and set a lineup choosing between Hogan, Davis, Meredith, Devontae Parker, Michael Gallup every week, or would you rather stream tight ends? I think I'd rather – The receivers all day. Yeah, right. I think that's pretty much how it has to be if you had to make that choice, save for getting two wide receivers that you really like.

Like I like my two wide receivers. Jamie likes his top two wide receivers. Let me ask you a question, Adam. You think there's more upside, and I don't necessarily think there's a right or wrong answer right now, but you think there's more upside with Corey Davis over Robert Woods? Yeah, because I'm more of a Cooks guy. Like, Dave took Cooks one pick before I took Hogan.

That's what I really wanted. Do I think there's more – you know what? That's a great question. That was your choice. I would say – You took Davis two spots ahead of Woods. I would have taken Woods. I think there's much more upside with him because we've seen it.

In PPR, I would have taken Woods. I don't know about the touchdowns for him. In standard – yeah, I probably was debating that, to be quite honest, and maybe 50-50 for me. What it really came down to was – And the same thing, Parker over DJ Moore? I think there's more upside with him too. Oh.

No, I think I probably should have taken DJ Moore. I know you did it to spite Keith because he really loves Devontae Parker. That's a good call. I probably should have. That's the truth. He does like him. I know. I know he wanted – I know I wasn really loves Devontae Parker. That's a good call. That's the truth. He does like him. I know. I know he wanted it.

I know I wasn't getting Devontae Parker in the next round because Heath had two picks before I was up again. For me, it was really all about Gronk versus Keenan Allen. That changed my whole draft. I would have taken Devontae Adams. He went to Dave. One pick before me. I took Gronk over Allen. Standard scoring, that's what I'm doing.

PPR, I'm going Keenan Allen. I'm not sure on the touchdowns. He only had six last year. Keenan Allen hasn't been a huge touchdown guy. He had eight in 2013. That's his career high. That was half a season. No.

That was 15 games. Oh, no. 14 was the half a season. He had four in half a season. He would have scored eight. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Yeah.

So that was... I am very much... Maybe it's because I've been doing fantasy baseball for a while. There's such a difference between points and roto. I think there's a big difference between standard and PPR now. I never really used to think that. Really? You never thought that? Let me ask you this question

based on your love of Derrick Henry. Let's say you had taken Devonta Adams in round two, and Zach Ertz and Derrick Henry are sitting there in round three. Who would you have taken? Let's just say you go back and you can redo this draft. So you take Kareem Hunt in round one. You get Devonta Adams.

You basically take Dave's team. You take Devonta Adams in round two, and then you get to round three because Ertz went one spot in front of Derrick Henry. What are you doing, Adam? You're on the clock. I would take Derrick Henry. However, I would take Ertz over Kenyon Drake and Alex Collins but not over Derrick Henry

and then McKinnon would be a tough one for me. I don't know. I'm taking Ertz all day. Over who? Over all those guys? Over Derrick Henry. Jamie? I'm taking Hurts all day. Over who? Over all those guys? Over Derek Henry. Jamie? I'm taking Henry. I think that that's a great value for Hurts in the middle of round three.

Yeah, it is. It's not like a gigantic value. It's a good value. Anything with a tight end where you can look at it and say, oh, that's not bad value. Yeah, it's a win. It's an absolute win. And then you don't have to worry about streaming the position.

I wonder, though, now that Antonio Gates is gone, is Hunter Henry two rounds later a better pick? It's possible. Very possible. All right. We'll leave you guys with that little cliffhanger for you. I just want to see where Zach Ertz's ADP is right now. Hold on one second.

Okay. I'm going to wrap up the show. Have a great weekend, everybody. I am going to hopefully drive my new car soon. Still at the dealer. Got to take care of that. So is it your car if it's at the dealer? I put a deposit

on it, so yeah. I think it's mine. Usually if something's yours, you're in possession of it. My Fantasy League, which I think they're accounting for their MFLs at this point, Zacherts is 35th overall, and Derrick Henry is 40th overall. Now this is all scoring systems. Let me take away PPR.

Yeah, take away PPR, buddy. I bet it's about tied. Okay, non-PPR, Zach Ertz is 40th, and Derrick Henry is 49th. What? Excuse me? That doesn't make any sense. I'll tell you what I think it could be. Stupidity?

All three of us like Derrick Henry. Is he drafting? Yeah. But I think there's some people out there that just don't want to deal with the Tennessee running back mess. There's IDPs in here too. Like they're scared of Deion Lewis coming in and taking work away from Derrick Henry. And I don't see it being that big of a deal. I got to run, guys.

The people at Rolls-Royce are waiting for me. So I got to go take care of that. You told me you got a Ferrari. Yes, but I bought it through Rolls-Royce. It's a very complicated name. You wouldn't understand. My listeners would understand. We're done.

Thank you, everybody. We'll talk to you probably on Monday. Enjoy the weekend. Happy Mother's Day, and see you later. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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