Fantasy Football Today - 05/17: PPR Best & Worst Picks; Dynasty TE Rankings (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 17, 2018

Before we tackle our latest PPR mock draft, we've got some listener questions and NFL news to get to. Will the Browns be overhyped in Fantasy after their Hard Knocks appearance (4:00)? What's the latest with the TB ball carriers and pass catchers (8:22)? ... Dave, Jamey and Heath discuss our latest PPR draft (15:15) with their strategies, best picks and worst picks. They're also pointing out the best and worst picks of other teams in the draft as Heath and Adam square off on Julian Edelman's value (28:04) and we discuss when to take Jarvis Landry and Adam Thielen ... TE dynasty rankings (37:15)! Rob Gronkowski is not #1 and you may be surprised to see where Heath has Zach Ertz ranked. Trey Burton (40:12) is fairly high, and what about the rookies? ... Your emails at [e-mail] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. In 2017, Antonio Gates and Hunter Henry combined for 23 red zone targets.

That would have been the second most for one tight end behind Jimmy Graham. Does that matter? Will Hunter Henry get all the red zone fun this year? Or was that a worthless stat to start the show? I certainly hope not. Welcome, everybody. This is Fantasy Football Today. I am Adam Azer with Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg, and Heath Cummings. Heath here to talk about his Dynasty tight end rankings. We'll also talk PPR.

Guys, did I start the show with something good or something worthless? I thought that was a fun stat. Did that stat come from Dave? It did not. No, only terrible stats come from me. How are Gates and Henry against the run? Okay, inside joke alert. Yes, we... I'm not even going. Okay, inside joke alert. Yes, we...

I'm not even going to explain the inside joke. Instead, how about Heath Cummings taking Le'Veon Bell over Todd Gurley in our PPR draft? Awesome. Any other reactions? You're a big regression guy, so I'm taking that as you thinking that Gurley

can't possibly do what he did last year, and so you're just going to go with the next best running back. I think that they are both really awesome. I think if they both play 16 games, Le'Veon Bell will have more PPR fantasy points than Todd Gurley will. How confident are you that Le'Veon will play 16? I'm not extremely confident. Okay.

How confident are you that Todd Gurley will play 16? Not extremely confident. I see. So you feel the same way about both. Interesting. Okay. Le'Veon Bell caught 21 more passes than Todd Gurley, but Todd Gurley averaged four and a half more yards per catch

and had more yards than Le'Veon Bell. I don't think he'll repeat that. Yeah, he also had four more receiving touchdowns and four more rushing touchdowns, and was about 40 points better than Bell in PPR. But this year, Heath Cummings thinks it will be Le'Veon Bell's year to be the number one running back in point per reception. Also, as Jamie notes, and you can read about this draft on our website,

Jamie, by the end of round three, only four owners had multiple running backs on their roster in this 12-team PPR league. Only four teams had multiple running backs. Wow roster in this 12-team PPR league. Only four teams had multiple running backs. Wow. Yes, and there was one owner, picking number two overall, who lucked into Todd Gurley, that started his team running back, running back, running back.

So I highlighted his team. And then there were two teams that did not draft a running back in the first three rounds Myself and Chris Towers Would you say he lucked into a running to Todd Gurley Or he was forced to take Todd Gurley? Both And all three of the running backs that this owner took

Had more than 50 catches last year And one of them did that without being in a feature role And that was Jarek McKinnon Who I'm assuming we project for more than 50 catches this year? Yes Yeah Right about there role, and that was Jarek McKinnon, who I'm assuming we project for more than 50 catches this year? Yes. Yeah. Right about there. Yeah.

I'll take the over. I think like 65 would surprise me. Our site projections, which I would actually agree with, 66 catches. I'd be surprised. How many running backs caught 50 balls last year? 14. Oh, Dave. Thunderstealer Dave Richard. Yeah. How many have backs caught 50 balls last year? 14. Oh, Dave. Thundersteeler Dave Richard.

How many have done that before? You've mentioned the stat on this podcast. Well, I forgot. I had no idea. I'm thankful that you remember. Well, Heath, you're never on. Yeah, 14 running backs caught 50 passes last year. All right, so we're going to get into that draft in a bit.

We have some news out of Tampa Bay on their running backs and a wide receiver. We've got a T.Y. Hilton note, a Robbie Anderson note, and a guy named Forrest Lamp who, well, we know Forrest Lamp, who has a great name and who had knee surgery in the offseason. First, here's an email of the day from Matt from Long Island. Email at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Dear Bob, Gene, Teddy, and Louise. Louise. Bob's Burgers. That would be Bob's Burgersbsi.com. Dear Bob, Gene, Teddy, and Louise. Louise.

Bob's Burgers. That would be Bob's Burgers, Dave. Yeah. Speak up next time with conviction. All right. With the Cleveland Browns now being selected as the hard knocks team this year, is there any evidence from past years of overdrafting? The Browns offense is garnering plenty of hype,

but is the price going to jump with people being able to watch their camp to absurd levels that makes them less valuable for the price? I remember when the Bengals were on hard knocks and people went crazy for Giovanni Bernard and Tyler Eifert that year. And if I recall, they paid off. They were really good. Yeah. So here's the last.

But it upped their price in drafts. Here's the last five teams on hard knocks. The Bucs last year. Maybe Jameis got pushed up a little bit because of it. I don't think anybody else really. Mike Evans was already going high. I don't think he got pushed up because of hard knocks. I think he got pushed up because people thought he was going to break out.

I think it was probably hand-in-hand. The Rams the year before. Well, what about Doug Martin last year? I don't know if he really changed so much. Yeah, I don't know. But he definitely was hyped. The Rams the year before, it was really only Gurley. That was the year he was a bust.

Jared Goff didn't know which way the sun set. The Texans in 2015. That was Foster when he got hurt. His last year with them. That was Hopkins' big year, but that kind of surprised people, right? He was like a third-round pick that year. Yeah, I don't know if that was a surprise. And then the 2014 season was the Falcons.

I don't really recall anybody from that year getting pushed up dramatically. Now, forget about Hard Knocks. There's going to be a lot of Browns type this year, a lot. And I do wonder if they're going to get pushed up. Let's take a look at where the Browns went in this draft. Josh Gordon went with the sixth pick of round three, so right around 30th overall. Jarvis Landry went three picks later.

33rd overall. 33rd overall. How about Gordon and Landry going 30th and 33rd overall? I'm not that surprised by it. I don't think that's too high. Nor am I surprised by Gordon going ahead of Landry in a PPR.

Right. And they went just before Adam Thielen, Julian Edelman, and Larry Fitzgerald. Also, can't wait to defend my Julian Edelman pick with the greatest stat of all time when Heath rips apart my Julian Edelman pick in the third round. All right, thank you for the email. There will definitely be some Browns hype, but they would have had hype regardless of Hard Knocks. And I will probably go another year without watching Hard Knocks because I do not have HBO.

There you go. News and notes. Robbie Anderson is having felony charges against him dismissed. And when I do our drafts, I always see Dave Richards' rankings. Robbie Anderson is higher than Jamie and Heath's rankings. We have talked about this, but Dave, would you briefly like to discuss why you seem to be the high guy on Robert Anderson? I think the Jets are going to play from behind quite a bit,

and if he was able to get by last year and put up the numbers that he did with Josh McCown and the rest of the crappy quarterbacks they had, he could probably do it again this year with Josh McCown and Sam Darnold, and it'll probably be just those two guys for the Jets. Where do you have Anderson? Yeah, I don't actually think that you are that high on him, at least not in standard. Yeah, no, everybody's pretty much the same on him, like low at number three. So I apologize.

I still like him. I will still look his way in round seven-ish. That'd be the earliest that he's gone in any of the mock drafts that we've taken. I think you're still going to see a suspension for him from the 2017 situation that he dealt with because it's still multiple infractions with the law. So he's probably still looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of two games, be my guess. Plus what he did last year, he did with so little competition on the field around him. Quincy Nuno's going to take away

targets. Terrell Pryor will take away targets. Hopefully, they get our Darius Stewart involved a little bit more. I think they'll run the ball a little bit better. So, I think Robbie Anderson's much more suited as a number three receiver than a number two guy. Ryan Tannehill, not expected to have any limitations in OTAs according to the Miami Herald.

Tampa Bay splitting reps between Ronald Jones, Peyton Barber, and Charles Sims. Jamie, your reaction to this is they want Sims on passing downs at Tampa Bay. That's the indication, according to their office coordinator. So we talked about this on the last show. Why would they bring back Charles Sims to be involved in the passing game? So I don't think it's a full-season situation. I would imagine that it's going to take Ronald Jones some time to learn their pass-protecting schemes.

Remember, that was a big part. Speaking of hard knocks, that was a big part of Jeremy McNichols and why he couldn't stick with the team, and it was eventually cut. He was having a hard time understanding what to do on the field. And so obviously Ronald Jones, the investment in him is going to – significant enough that they want him to be their – at least hopefully their every down guy. But, I mean, Sims, before he started dealing with the injuries two years ago,

was a 500-500 guy. I think he had 40-plus catches that year, if I'm not mistaken, in 2016. So he was very good in that role. And we know teams don't want to overwork their running backs all the time. So I think you've got to take into account that. And they still want to get Peyton Barber some touches too. So while Ronald Jones has a huge ceiling and very high upside, just take that into account when you're doing your dynasty drafts

and certainly your season longings. And your PPR drafts for that matter. Ronald Jones went 39th overall in our 12-team PPR draft. Too soon. Too soon? Who did he go ahead of? Jordan Howard, Derek Henry. Not a lot of running, but he went right after Joe Mixon and Alex Collins.

Then it was Ronald Jones. Then Jordan Howard. Just looking at running backs. Jordan Howard, Derek Henry, Mark Ingram. That's kind of a wide receiver round. I don't think he – I would take Howard ahead of him. And we're going to talk about my favorite pick a little bit later, but I would like to know what kind of odds I can get on Lamar Miller

having more yards than Ronald Jones this year. More total yards? Yeah. Especially if Foreman's hurt. It's open season. We will talk about your favorite picks shortly. So T.Y. Hilton – Chris Godwin, by the way, is – so Chris Godwin's what, a starting wide receiver?

Is he like the number two wide receiver for Tampa Bay right now? No. He's probably the number three. He's probably the number four, actually. I think he is, yeah. He's – right now, if you were to look at their depth chart, it's Mike Evans obviously is one, Deshaun Jackson is two, Humphreys is their slot receiver, and so Godwin is fourth.

But I thought when last year ended, I thought they were going to cut ties with deshaun jackson and get cheaper um go with godwin as their their second starter which i think there's a there's based on you know the the what i saw when retweeting it there's a lot of people that were in favor of that um but it's just a matter of they want to get him on the field in some capacity so uh it's clearly not going to come at the expense of evan so will they you know try and move somebody around that's not necessarily accustomed to playing in the slot in the slot or will they take deshaun jackson off the

field at some point or play forward receivers which takes them out of their two tight end set right and they've committed so much to their two tight end formation that i i'd be surprised if they got away from that and they committed to mike Evans. Obviously, they're not taking him off field. Dirk Cutter spoke about Deshaun Jackson positively this offseason, expressing regret over how he and Jameis couldn't really get on the same page. That's a big thing that they're going to work on this offseason and well into training camp is getting them in a rhythm. Adam, this is something we talked about on the Fantasy Baseball podcast in the preseason with certain teams having too many guys.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have too many guys. It's a good thing for Jameis, but we talked about the running backs. They've got four wide receivers we expect to be involved, and they've got two tight ends that are going to eat into each other's production. I think it's great for Jameis. I don't believe it's good for anyone else. I'm seeing Godwin with 87 snaps in the slot last year. It's a start because if he's truly going to get on the field,

he's going to have to knock off Humphreys. Not Jackson, not Evans, not the two tight ends. Yeah, I mean, it makes total sense. That's where he's going to go. It makes total sense. It's almost, you know, Heath, when you were saying, it's almost like the Patriots. You know, when everybody's healthy, I mean, it makes total sense. That's where he's going to go. It makes total sense. It's almost, you know, Heath, when you were saying, it's almost like the Patriots. You know, when everybody's healthy, there's just so many guys there.

But they find a way to sometimes make it work. The problem is that I don't think it's going to work out for fantasy purposes with Godwin unless Jackson gets hurt, one of the tight ends gets hurt. God forbid Mike Evans goes down. No, but he's an excellent, excellent, if you're in a startup dynasty, or he's still somehow available because Jackson's not going to be on the team past 2018. And so whatever they do, he's going to potentially be a starter with Jameis opposite Evans for hopefully several years. My least favorite contract of the season for fantasy purposes was Cameron Brates.

Definitely wanted him out. Wanted O.J. Howard to just go nuts. I still think that he could put up big numbers. I seem to be the only one drafting O.J. Howard. And, you know, he was such a highly touted prospect coming out of college and a first round pick last year. So I still have high hopes for him. But yes, I think it was six years, $41 million for Brate with about $18 million guaranteed. At least that's what it says, according to this old report. So Adam asked me during the draft yesterday, why am I so low on O.J. Howard?

And I ran down several of the things we just talked about, and I said in the course of it that Cameron Freight is better. So what did Adam reply to me? I disagree with you on the Freight thing, big guy. Big guy. I said, wow, you dropped a big guy on me. Oh, yeah. Adam, I was totally – I had Howard as a top 12 tight end in my initial rankings right after last year.

And they signed that contract, and I just sunk him and Bray both. Yeah. By the way, I went to high school with a kid, Seth. Seth, if you're listening, hello. And he always used to go, okay, big guy. That was his thing. And he became known around school. People would go, okay, big guy, to imitate him. So we could bring that onto the show. I could sarcastically say, okay, big guy. That was his thing. And he became known around school. People would go, okay, big guy, to imitate him.

So we could bring that onto the show. I could sarcastically say, okay, big guy. You are the one guy that could call just about everybody big guy. It is true. It is true. If you look at me, I'm basically wearing a baby tee today. You wouldn't be able to fit this shirt around your face. I still think one of the funniest things is that when I was a very young child,

I was a Hurricanes fan growing up, and I gave Adam some of my clothing from my middle school days, and he still wears that shirt. I do. I wear it a lot. All right, a couple more notes here. T.Y. Hilton is having a great offseason, according to the Indianapolis Star. He's giving everything he's got to the new coaching staff.

Can he throw? Chargers offensive lineman Forrest Lamp. They gave the Colts a written test on things with the offense, and Andrew Luck's question was, can you throw? Everybody else had the same question. Can Andrew Luck throw? And then they all failed. And Forrest Lamp, okay, minor procedure on his knee,

according to the NFL Network. He's coming back from a knee injury. And there's nothing imminent between Dez Bryant and the Packers, according to Ian Rappaport. So, let's PPR it. We're not going to go through the draft round by round like we usually do, because we have to talk dynasty. And we just did that

two shows ago with our standard scoring draft. So, what I want to know, your favorite pick on your team, your favorite pick on I want to know, your favorite pick on your team, your favorite pick on someone else's team, your least favorite on your team, your least favorite on someone else's team, and then your favorite team. Also, we could just talk about your strategy.

We should probably talk about that, your strategies from the spots you picked. Heath, the guy who never has a strategy, you had the number one overall pick. What was your strategy? You acknowledged the fact that, you know, I'm not going to give you an answer to that question then you ask me the question anyway because it's a fake answer like you obviously have a strategy you know you have a running back

with your first pick in your mind there has to be something that you're thinking about with picks two and three i'm thinking i wonder who's going to be there at two and three i'm always thinking that but you're thinking you're not thinking oh i better come away with at least one wide receiver with my next two picks. No. If there had been a running back I wanted, I could have taken a running back and a tight end. I could have taken possibly two running backs. No. Fine.

Okay, then. Sorry. Heath, what was your favorite pick on your team? It was easily Lamar Miller with the first pick of the seventh round, especially because I took Melvin Ingram at the 4-5 turn, and I just think Lamar Miller may be the absolutely perfect running back to pair with Mark Ingram. I don't believe really very often you'll be able to get both of those guys

in using a fifth and a seventh round pick. Maybe in some drafts you'll be able to take Miller in the fifth and Ingram in the seventh. But yeah, I don't have much doubt that the first month of the season, Lamar Miller is going to be the guy in Houston. I think there's a pretty good chance he's the guy all year. We've tried to write him off before. He's not exciting, but he's going to get a ton of touches in that offense. Does it bother you bringing back Alfred Blue from how they closed the season last year,

that Blue was the guy that they were using? Because I tend to agree with you. I think in the early part of the season while Foreman's working his way back that they're going to lean on Lamar Miller and Blue a little bit more. Now, I'm in the camp of Lamar Miller stinks. And, you know, he's like I've tried to defend him year after year, and it's just it's impossible at this point. So I think with what the only encouraging thing is that his numbers were better

when Deshaun Watson was healthy. Oh, yeah. But if Foreman's right, I mean, you know, I asked Bill O'Brien at the owner's meetings whether he's being truthful or not. You know, they want to get Foreman more work. I think, I asked Bill O'Brien at the owner's meetings whether he's being truthful or not. They want to get Foreman more work. I think, again, bringing back Alfred Blue, it's the same conversation we had about Charles Sims. They bring these guys back for a reason because these old-school coaches like to trust guys that they trust. And Alfred Blue, for whatever reason, doesn't hurt them, at least in their mind,

and actually played pretty well last year when he got the chance toward the end of the season. It's almost like they'll tolerate Blue, they'll tolerate Miller, but they really want Foreman. I think they do, but they really want the Foreman from last year, and we don't have a guarantee that the injury he suffered is one of the worst still for offensive players to try to come back from. I can't think of an offensive player that came back from the Achilles and was just as good as he was before.

Okay. Yeah, it's fair. So who was next? Dave, you had the, what, fifth pick? I picked fifth. Yeah, what was your strategy and what was your favorite pick? I'm far more comfortable taking receivers in a PPR for the obvious reason that they get points for every catch they get,

so it definitely gives them a little more strength. Yet I could not pass on Ezekiel Elliott with the fifth overall choice, who I think is going to be a total touch monster in Dallas. So took him in round one, and then I didn't want to take another running back too soon. I really wanted to try and experiment with getting a bunch of pass catchers and just decided to focus on that for as long as I could until I felt like there was a reasonable value at running back. Yeah, I mean, you might get, what, 30?

You might get 35, 40 catches out of Zeke. He had 26 in 10 games. We all know how bad this receiving core is for Dallas. So you took Zeke and Gronkowski with your first two picks. That's pretty interesting. And then without going through your whole team, your next two picks were wide receivers, Demarius, and who was it in round four?

Allen Robinson. Okay, what was your favorite pick of yours? My favorite pick was Ben Roethlisberger in round 10 with honorable mention Kelvin Benjamin in round 12. I know Benjamin's got knee issues quarterback issues offense issues but to get a number one receiver in a ppr league in round 12 guy that's got a chance at getting over 120 targets guy with some good touchdown potential i'll take that roethlisberger's a stud I know that there's concerns about him being on the road. He was better on the road last year than in years prior. And I think with the

way that that offense is shaping up, he could be very good this year. Okay. Jamie, which pick did you have? What was your strategy? I had the seventh pick. I was shocked beyond belief that DeAndre Hopkins fell to seven. So I was thrilled with that. I was expecting to go running back, receiver, receiver, most likely at least depending on which running backs are there in round three. I anticipated taking receiver in round two. But to see Hopkins there just kind of made things a little bit easier for me

to start out taking two receivers, which I took Devontae Adams in the second round. And then Zach Ertz was there in the third round, so that was relatively easy as well. So as we talked about, I was one of two owners that did not take a running back in the first three rounds. Yeah, so if you're out there in a PPR league, and this is a two-receiver PPR league, there is a flex as well, so you can start three.

Two running backs, two receivers, flex, tight end, kicker defense, quarterback. And you want to start receiver-receiver, Jamie took Hopkins and Devontae Adams. And the thing is, like, yeah, he was fortunate. I don't know, fortunate. He was happy to get Hopkins seventh overall. Zeke and Alvin Kamara were the two picks before Hopkins. And then he got Devontae Adams in the middle of round two, which is pretty realistic. But after that, I assume if Adams had been off the board,

you would not have taken Tyree Kill there, right? Because he was the next wide receiver. No. I like Baldwin better than Tyree Kill this year. And you wouldn't have gone Baldwin in the middle of round two, right? No. I probably would have taken just looking at it. I probably would have taken Dalvin Cook or Gronk.

So you got two of the top what is it, seven or eight elite receivers? Yep. Yeah. Okay. And then he took Ertz. So he didn't even take a running back at round three. And his running backs, Jordan Howard and Rashad Penny with his next picks. And Marlon Mack.

Jordan Howard, Rashad Penny, Marlon Mack, and those are his first three running backs. It's pretty great. I was very fortunate for the guys where I have them ranked and where they fell. I was rather thrilled with how this draft unfolded. I don't expect Jordan Howard, even in PPR, to be there in round four

in most drafts, but he's probably a middle to the end of round three guy in this format, so to get him in the drafts, but he's probably a middle to the end of round three guy in this format. So to get him in the fourth round, like I said, I was rather fortunate with it. I like your bench receivers too. So you don't have to commit to Marlon Mack as your flex. Right.

Pierre Garçon, Jamison Crowder, high catch guys. Garçon particularly should be nice this year. Bounce back here for him. So you've got options for your flex, which are good. Jamie, what's your favorite pick on your team? It was Howard. I mean, again, just to have him in the fourth round. I'm going to look real quick where he finished last year among running backs. Yes, it was interesting because I was thinking about taking him.

I picked before you in round four, and I took Alex Collins over Jordan Howard. I don't know if I had a great reason for it. The arrow's not really pointing up right now for Jordan Howard. He had a bad year. It's almost even. He had a bad year, but the arrow seems to be pointing up on Tariq Cohen, which is not good for Howard in PPR. He had 23 catches last year in 16 games.

Yeah, I still would expect him to be around 20 catches. I don't think that's going to fall off dramatically. It's funny, a down year for a guy that had 1,200 total yards and nine touchdowns. Again, if you're going to say he was over

299 carries, 299 touches last year, I'd be surprised if he's not 280 plus total touches. And again, to get a guy like that in the fourth round with an offense that we're all expecting to be better to what level, that depends on your personal preference. But, I mean, he's been at this level for three years in a relatively or two years in a relatively bad offense.

So if the system, the players, everything around him, you look at the talent that the Bears have added, it should lend to Howard still being in this same range. Let's do least favorite picks on our squad. No, favorite pick on someone else's team. First we'll do that.

Heath, your favorite pick on someone else's team. It was a two-way tie. Dave already talked about one of them. My favorite pick, I thought, was Kelvin Benjamin going in the 12th round. I think that's just absolute robbery. I don't think he's going to be bad, but if he just plays on a team that's going to have to throw the ball, he's going to be worth that cost.

But also, Chris Towers getting Hunter Henry at the very end of the fifth round. And I think there were some comments in the draft room about, man, you really love Hunter Henry this year. I think that was too late. You look at what they have done using the tight end in the past, and Gates is finally gone. I have been tempted to rank him ahead of Zekers. I'm right there with you.

I actually have a tough keeper decision to make where one league gets to keep four guys after the 13th round, and it's PPR with your first, doesn't start to count until after your third catch, but in any event, I have DeAndre Hopkins, Julie Nettleman, and Jarvis Landry are three guys I'm keeping for sure, and the fourth one I'm debating is Hunter Henry and Alan Robinson. And my only concern about Henry is what happens when Rivers is gone,

which is potentially two years away. But I think it's almost a no-brainer. The more I talk myself into it, just what Hunter Henry's upside is. I'm just looking at Hunter Henry's. Do me a favor and just do 16 times 7, if you wouldn't mind. 16 times 7? It's 112. 112. Okay. He times seven is 112. 112, okay.

He could get 112 targets. So in the games in which Hunter Henry got seven or more targets, he had seven catches for 80 yards. It's a really good game. He had three for 42 and a touchdown. He had five for 90. He had seven for 81. And those are it.

Those are the only four games. He was good every single time. In fact, he was good every time he got six or more targets. Well, the math's even easier than that. And Chris Towers brought this up a while back. But if you're saying he could get 112 targets easily, he has 115 targets in his career. 81 catches, 1,057 yards, and 12 touchdowns. That actually is a lot of targets for a tight end.

He could get 100. They pretty regularly throw the ball to their tight ends. I've got it here. I think like 150 times. So I don't know who else is going to take 60 targets if he's only getting 90 of them. 112 targets would put him third at the position last year. There was 123 for Kelsey, 115 for Evan Ingram, and 111 for Delaney Walker. There were six tight ends with over 100 targets.

Dave, your favorite pick on another team? I was one pick away from getting Doug Baldwin. That's who I really would have loved to have stolen in round three. He went to R.J. White. Everybody remembers R.J. from when he was on the podcast several weeks ago. Took Doug Bowen. I had to settle for Demarius Thomas, who's okay in a PPR. Not a bad third-round pick, but I would have much rather had Baldwin.

All right. Jamie, your favorite pick on another team? It's Matthew Stafford in round 12. Dave got great value on Roethlisberger. Jeremy Bates, who's in charge of our fantasy sales and keeps Adam, his house, paid for with suits

and food and all these things. All the free stuff that Adam gets is because of Jeremy. Yeah, to get Stafford and he waited. That wasn't his second quarterback. That was his first quarterback. So to get him in the 12th round is just thievery. Yeah, but I got Goff in the 13th round. That's better, right?

As your starter? No. No, it's not my starter. Is it my starter? I don't think so. I mean, you could start him. I could. No, I think I have Wentz.

Yeah, I have Carson Wentz. Well, you might need Goff to start the year. Gotta love those quarterbacks this year. All right, this will be fun. Heath, your least... Oh, I'm about to just crush you. Your least favorite pick, Heath. Somebody took a 32-year-old wide receiver that has never scored more than seven touchdowns

in the third round. This receiver didn't even play football last year, has only played 22 games in the last three years combined julian edelman in the third round to adam azar happy to do it i think it was a great pick he was the 17th wide receiver off the board in this draft okay i don't think it was a great pick i think it was a fine pick i will say that 17th wide receiver off the board in this draft i took him 35th overall. He, I think, based on his history,

is a lock to get 90 catches. So you think Gronk's going to get hurt? No. Julian Edelman has been on a 90 catch pace pretty much every year in the last four years. In fact, he should get more than that based on history, but he's coming off the injury.

If he's not healthy, then that's one thing. If he's healthy, if he's good to go, 90 catches seems like a cinch for Julian Edelman. So I looked at the last five years. There have been 46 wide receivers who have caught 90 or more passes in the last five years. That's among active wide receivers. It's not including Calvin Johnson or anyone else who may have retired. Forty-six wide receivers have 90 catches in the last five years. 45 of them have been top 17 wide receivers.

The only one who wasn't was Golden Tate in 2015. He had 90 catches for only 813 yards and six touchdowns. 45 out of 46 have been top 17. So I think he gets 90 catches. I think he's top 17. I took him as a 17th wide receiver. Take that, Heath Cummings! I think that you are being very

accurate about what Julian Edelman's ceiling is. I just... Not his ceiling! I mean... No, it's his ceiling. Why? Look at what he used to do. I mean, the last time we saw him, 2016... He was wide receiver 14 or 17? 15. 14-15, right? So, okay. 2015, he scored 7 touchdowns in 9 games. He was on receiver 14 or 17? 15. 14, 15, right? So, okay.

2015, he scored seven touchdowns in nine games. He was on pace to be a top seven wide receiver, number seven in PPR. So you don't see any risk with his age and injury history? Yeah, I do. But who went right after him? Larry Fitzgerald. How is Larry Fitzgerald less risky than Julian Edelman? Larry Fitzgerald doesn't have Julian Edelman's injury history. He's older and he's got a much worse quarterback.

That part is true. He's got much less competition for targets as well. Our projections for Edelman on the site are 86 catches, 1,022 yards, and five touchdowns. I think that's very, very safe. I think that's very, very safe as long as he plays 16 games. I don't think we should view that as a given. That's on 143 targets. You're right.

He won't play 16 games. They're going to sit in Week 17 when they have wrapped up the division. Last year, Golden Tate had 92 catches, 1,003 yards, and five touchdowns. So pretty close to the projection that you just read, Jamie. He finishes the number 14 receiver in full point per reception leagues. Last year was kind of a down year. Golden Tate is basically the guy who catches 90 balls every year and finishes last in points

among that group, as I've noticed. Alright, Dave, your least favorite pick on someone else's team? My least favorite pick on someone else's team was Rashard Matthews at the end of round six. Sorry, Heath.

He's going to outscore Julian Edelman. I don't think he's going to outscore Julian Edelman. And I feel like it took him a little too soon. End of round six. Well, that's maybe true. I actually think I got him at a pretty good value, but I do understand by ADP he may have fallen a bit. But when you're picking where I was picking,

I didn't feel comfortable thinking he was going to last 24 more picks. You basically targeted him. This is somebody that you want to get on your team. Until we see Corey Davis do something on the football field, he's the number one wide receiver in Tennessee. Right. But Corey Davis really didn't do a lot on the football field last year, and Rashard

Matthews had 795 yards and four touchdowns. He did. These guys had more than four touchdowns once, and you're killing me for Edelman? Well, I took him four rounds after Edelman. Yeah, but you just said he's going to score more points than Edelman. I do think he will score more points than Edelman. I think he plays more games and scores more points.

He got hurt last year, too. He missed two games. He missed two games last year. He missed five games in 2015. He missed two games in 2014. I don't know the circumstances. I'm not sure if they were all injuries. Probably weren't, right?

Maybe just inactive. Which 2014 was at the Dolphins when he missed? He did miss sometimes? 2015 was at the Dolphins, too. 2015, yeah. All right, you know what? I'm just going to let my amazing stat speak for itself. Jamie, your least favorite pick on another team?

LeSean McCoy at the end of round two. Dave talked about his potential for regression. I agree. I still think McCoy is going to get a lot of work. I just didn't like the pick for a couple reasons. One, because of

how this owner was the one that took three running backs in a row. How he started his team. So he could have taken a receiver there and then still got McKinnon in the third round, and I think that would have been a better situation, or taking two receivers. But I just think it was a little too soon in this format to take McCoy. He passed on McKinnon.

He passed on Devontae Freeman. Those are two running backs that I would definitely take ahead of him. Other people who really are down on LeSean McCoy would probably rather have Kenyon Drake, Joe Mixon, Alex Collins, maybe even Ronald Jones if you want to go that far. I think if you're going that far, nobody's taking those guys over. Right. You just don't want LeSean. I just think that what was available to him at the time, both the second and third options at tight end, if you wanted to go that route, certainly. I like Kelsey better than McCoy in this format.

I like Baldwin better in this format. I mean, it's nitpicking a little bit. I just think he's more of a round three pick. And again, the way that he set up his team is really more the issue I have. If he knew he was going to take a third running back early in round three, he should have taken a receiver in round two. Do you guys want to kind of give – we're going to move on in a couple minutes to talk about Dynasty tight ends.

I know we're not really going through this draft like we usually do, but there's plenty of time for it. It's only May 17th. We might come back to it on next week's show. But, yeah, I don't know. I just feel like we did a draft recap last week. There's a whole thing on the site. We have the whole recap.

If you want to give some final thoughts. Two picks, though, that I'd like to talk about, Jarvis Landry and Adam Thielen back-to-back, 33rd and 34th overall. And they scare me, quite honestly, because the situations are changing for these guys. And it just couldn't have been a better situation for Jarvis Landry. He's been the best wide receiver on the same team year after year, and he catches 100 balls, you know, consistently. Situation is so much different for him. He has a quarterback with a bad track record of getting other wide receivers involved.

Baker Mayfield's bad at that? Okay, fair enough. It's going to be Baker Mayfield at some point too. And Adam Thielen, you know, he had 143 targets last year. It's just a lot to ask for him to get close to that again, I think.

So those were taken two and three picks ahead of Julian Edelman? Would you have taken Edelman over those guys? One and two picks ahead. Would I have taken Edelman over those guys? Controversially, I think I would have. But I would certainly understand being criticized for it.

I like Edelman better than Landry. I mean, I'm probably, with you Adam, we're alone on this, but I think Edelman's situation is better than Landry's. And I like Jarvis Landry. I think he's, I don't necessarily think the team change is going to crush his value. And the quarterback thing, I mean, think about all the quarterbacks he's played with in his

career. He's had Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, Matt Moore. Are those guys at the stages that he's had them much different than Tyrod Taylor or Baker Mayfield? They probably throw more than Tyrod Taylor. I don't know what the... See, the thing is... I'm sorry.

But they're going through a system that throws the ball a lot. I don't want to say... Tyrod Taylor was just refusing to throw the ball in Boston. I don't want to say that I don't like to pick. Sorry if I came off the wrong way. I feel a lot of uncertainty with Jarvis Landry and Adam Thielen. I just don't know how it plays out. So when I was looking at this, and the way that I kind of framed the story is a lot of what we've done our conversation about,

just the value of receiver versus running back. And this felt a little too soon for me to see Landry in the third round. I think he's more of a fourth-round pick. Again, it's nitpicking. It's probably a few spots that he should have gone a little bit lower personally. But I think he's going from – the biggest concern for me with Landry is he scored nine touchdowns last year. That's not going to happen unless Cleveland is just this offensive juggernaut. But he was in a contract year, and everything kind of worked out for him in that regard.

He's still a guy that's averaged 100 catches per season. That's hard to overlook. And so if he goes from over 100 catches to, let's say, in the 80s, I kind of think that's where he'll be. So he'll be, if he's right around 10 yards per catch, again, I think he's almost similar to the Golden State numbers you threw out. He'll be around 85 to 90 catches. He'll be around 850 to 900 yards, and he's five to six touchdowns. All right, let's talk Dynasty tight ends. Fun stuff here. So, Heath, these are on the site, right? They will be on the site next week.

Next week. Okay, I apologize. We're giving a little preview. Nice. Good, good. Okay, so number one is not Rob Gronkowski. Who is it? It is Travis Kelsey.

And I understand if you want to take more of a year-to-year approach at tight end and go with Gronk, but there's certainly uncertainty about— that was a nice phrase, certainly uncertainty about Gronk's future. There's lots of questions about his health, and I would just prefer to have Kelsey. It's safer. It's much safer. Call it what it is.

It's safer. And Kelsey's got plenty of upside. Yeah. Guys, how do you feel about that? Dave, Jamie, who would you make your number one dynasty tight end? Kelsey. Kelsey. Dave?

What both of these guys said. I'm not sure Gronk is even my number two dynasty tight end. Who would be? Well, Antonio Gates, of course. No, Ertz. It would be Ertz. Well, he's fourth. I would take Henry in this regard.

Wow. I wouldn't do that. I'd still take... I've loved what I've seen from Zach Ertz, and I wouldn't do that. I'd still take... I've loved what I've seen from Zach Ertz, and I love the direction that Philadelphia's offense is going in. It's just that we've seen it, you know? I do have Henry third ahead of Zach Ertz. And really, I try not to make too big a deal out of age when it comes to 9AC rankings,

because I think it gets overplayed a little bit. But there's a four-year difference between Hunter Henry and Zach Ertz. Henry's just entering his prime, so I'd rather have, and I think there's a chance that he's better this year. And he could be replaced. Ertz? Yeah. Well, if he gets replaced,

he just goes to a different team. Although he's under contracts under a pretty hefty contract for four years. Well, sure. If they fall in love with Goddard, then they can just trade just goes to a different team. Although he's under contracts under a pretty hefty contract for four years. That doesn't mean anything. Well, sure. If they fall in love with Goddard, then they can just trade Ertz. It would be great for fantasy. Ertz would be on a different team where he's gained tons of targets. It's not always good for Philly.

Jimmy Graham wasn't so great when he got traded to Seattle. You know what you just said? This is the NFL. It doesn't mean anything. I know you were sort of sarcastic there. Not exactly literal. But I sort mean anything. I know you were sort of sarcastic there, or not exactly literal. But I sort of agree. I mean, contracts don't mean that much, which is why you heard me make my defense of Derrick Henry. It's also why, you know, with the Deion Lewis contract, it's also why you're going to see me taking O.J. Howard.

It is a pretty big contract for Cameron Bray. But teams use two tight ends. But you're talking about Howard for seasonal leagues, though. Yes, I am. He's the better of the two. Obviously. But, yes, I really feel like he still could have a big year. We'll see.

I know people are rightfully scared. But, again, I mean I'm able to take him with basically my last pick. Sure. It's not a bad investment. Anyway, back to this. Big guy. Okay, big guy. Travis Kelsey, Rob Gronkowski, Hunter Henry not a bad investment. Anyway, back to this. Big guy. Okay, big guy. Travis Kelsey, Rob Gronkowski, Hunter Henry, Zacherts, Evan Ingram, five, Trey Burton, six.

This is the controversy. This is where everybody disagrees. Well, who are people saying it should be? Joku and Howard. I don't have a problem with this. I just, and again, this comes back to, I don't think there's much chance that Joku or Howard are better than Burton

over the next two years. Not Rudolph. No. Rudolph isn't. I've got Rudolph down the list a little bit. I do worry a little bit about how much Kirk Cousins spreads the ball around, and he's not as young as the rest of these guys.

I mean, I just look at Rudolph as a touchdown dependent tight end, and I think Burton can be better than that. I think he can get to the yardage and the touchdowns. He's going to get a ton of targets. So I don't have a problem where you have him ranked. Although Nagy talked up Adam Shaheen today, too. He did. He should have just not acquired you have him ranked. Although Nagy talked up Adam Shaheen today too.

He did. I should have just not acquired Trey Burton then so I could have loved Adam Shaheen some more. Right. David Njoku is 7th behind Trey Burton and then OJ Howard is 8th. Yeah. That's a pretty nice top 8. After that it gets a little older.

Greg Olson 9. Jimmy a little bit. You knowson, nine. Jimmy, a little bit. You know what I love? This is important. You got three Miami Hurricanes within four spots. You got Njoku, then Howard, whatever. Then Greg Olson and Jimmy Graham. I love it.

It's good stuff. No Clive Walford. No Clive Walford, I say. Clive Walford did not make the top 40. It was an oversight. I will give that correctly. Where's Kellen Winslow Jr. on the site? On his motorcycle.

All right. So, yeah. So, Greg Olson, 10, and Jimmy Graham, 11, after Najoku and OJ Howard. Hopefully not a target. Kyle Rudolph, 12. I'm not really sure what's happening right now. I'm just going to keep reading. Heath, what would you like to talk about?

Kyle Rudolph, 12. Jordan Reed, 13. Well, I think that Olson, Graham, Rudolph right there at the end of the number one tight ends, those are the guys that you don't know if they're going to be... Rudolph's probably a little different. You don't know if Olsen and Graham are going to be anything at all after this year,

but you know that you can start them this year. After that, there is not a tight end left that I feel confident I'm going to be able to... Well, there's one left, but he's really old. I'm going to do a Twitter poll. I want to see what people are thinking. I imagine Zach Ertz will win the Twitter poll, but I will do an Ertz versus Hunter Henry.

You're starting a Dynasty League. Throw Evan Ingram in there, too. Which tight end are you taking first? I bet Ingram wins. Let's expand on Evan Ingram because you could make the case for him above those guys. I mean, it's a case to be made. One thing he has, though, is possibly the last year with Eli Manning. Possibly.

Is that a bad thing? Maybe I should move him up. I don't know if it's a bad thing. I don't know. What were my three choices? Okay, so it's Hunter, Henry, Zach Ertz. Zach is with an H or a Z? Zach with a Z.

And Evan Ingram. It's really – this is good. Yeah. All right. Let's see what people say. What's your long-term outlook for Evan Ingram? I think he's going to be really good. I wish – like he's kind of got a little bit of Derek Carr in him.

I wish that he could catch the ball when it was cold outside. I hope that he gets better at that since he plays for the New York Giants. There's a little bit of concern with Beckham, Shepard, Ingram, and Barkley that he doesn't come anywhere close to 115 targets in the next few years. And he wasn't very efficient on a per-target basis. He feels like a bust. For seasonally. Dynasty is a different story.

He just feels like everything was sort of in his favor last year because of everybody falling apart around him. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Evan Ingram. They do seem to really like him, like hardworking guy, really cares, plays hard, blah, blah, blah. Oh, he's extremely talented.

Yeah, I see it differently i think he's their number two receiver with lots of touchdown potential the touchdowns do have the chance to save him but his targets are going to come way down what did he have last year 115 yeah those are coming down he's probably look i mean i i would say under 90 would be my guess and with what Barkley's going to do, catch the ball at backfield, with Beckham back, I mean, that's the touchdown thing that could hurt him. Well, we can go back to what we talked about with Hunter Henry, because Evan

Ingram had as many targets last year as Hunter Henry has in two years. His numbers last year weren't anywhere close to those numbers we talked about with Henry over 115 targets. So, wait, say that again, Heath? Oh, Hunter Henry on 115 targets has 81 for 1057 and 12 touchdowns. Ingram had 64 for 722 and 6.

That's a big difference. Yeah. Now, Henry was in his second year or third year? Second year. Henry's played two years. Yeah, and Ingram was obviously in his first. So if you are concerned about the combo of Sterling Shepard, Odell Beckham, Saquon Barkley, not in that order, they're going to be around probably for more than one year.

Maybe they get rid of Beckham, but I think it's more likely they sign him to a long-term deal. So it's not just a this-year issue for Evan Ingram, right? Right, but again, we're really picking nits here. Is that the right way to say that? I get what you're telling. He's the number five tight end, and he's closer to Zach Ertz than he is to Trey Burton.

So I'm not actually that worried about him. I just can't put him in the group of the first four. Okay. All right, so then after we go down the list to Greg Olson, Jimmy Graham, Kyle Rudolph, Jordan Reed is 13, Tyler Eifert 14, George Kittle 15. Jordan Reed, Tyler Eifert, George Kittle. This is the hope tier. None of the rookies here, huh?

None of the rookies yet. Not? Not in the rookies yet. Not yet, right? They are in the very next grouping. And the funny thing is, you're a big Hayden Hurst guy, right? He is my number one rookie tight end at 16. Lamar Jackson to Hayden Hurst in 2019. It's going to be exciting. Could be.

Yeah, I just took him to Adam. I didn't consult you again, I'm sorry. But in the third round of our Dynasty draft, I took Hayden Hurst. He sniped me because I was two picks away, and I wanted him. I was actually surprised you didn't take him in the second round. Yeah. I liked your pick of Tremaine Edmonds, but I was surprised you did not take Hayden Hurst. Well, I have Hunter Henry, so that was one of the reasons.

I have Trey Burton. Still taking value where value is there. Yeah. By the way, this is a rookie-only draft. He didn't take Hayden Hurst in the third round of a Dynasty startup draft. That'd be like taking Julian Edelman. Hayden Hurst, 90 catches this year.

On the Ravens, maybe. So Hurst is 16th and then Mike Kosicki is 17th for the Dolphins, and then it's Delaney Walker. So guys, what do you think about Hurst, Kosicki, back-to-back 16 and 17? It's interesting that you downgrade Walker as much as you have and not compare it like where Olsen may only have one more year.

Well, he signed a two-year extension. That doesn't matter. It matters a little bit. Jason Witten just abruptly retired because he got a good TV gig, and that's what the thought was with Greg Olsen. That's true. I thought that Delaney Walker looked a lot older last year. I thought they'd move on from him this year.

Here's the funny thing. They've got John U. Smith. I thought that's where they'd go. Here's the funny thing, because you talked about this with Shard Matthews. We rushed Corey Davis up the totem pole last year, and who were their top two receivers for the second season in a row? Shard Matthews and Delaney Walker. There's just something about those guys.

You can't get away from them as Marcus Mariota, and I think just as their production. Again, it's not sexy. It's not exciting. It's not something that's going to probably put you over the top. But Delaney Walker is not going to hurt you. And, yes, he probably is a step slower, but he still might have two or three more years compared to Olsen.

He might. They drafted Olsen's replacement, but he still might have two or three more years compared to Olsen. He might. They drafted Olsen's replacement, too. Who is better than John O'Smith? I don't know if he's better than John O'Smith. Ian Thomas is better than John O'Smith. John O'Smith's pretty good. Ian Thomas is pretty good, too. Okay, who else do you want to talk about here as we wrap it up, Heath?

You wanted to talk about Jack Doyle at 25, right? Yeah, Jack Doyle, 25th, and Yeah, Jack Doyle 25th, and Eric Ebron is 19th. Wow. I don't think the Colts actually think that Jack Doyle is a good pass-catching tight end. He's an H-back. I think that's how he

came into the league, and I think over the past couple of seasons, they've realized that he's a good short-area target. He's a reliable set of hands. We haven't really seen him full season healthy with Andrew Luck. We haven't, but then they went out and got Eric Ebron, who I think is better. Yeah, but I think they're going to

use Ebron. They're using Ebron as the mismatch, tight end in the slot type thing. It could be that in just going back to Luck's best season in 2014, where Ebron could be that, you know, just going back to Luck's best season in 2014 where Ebron could be Fleener and Doyle is more of Dwayne Allen.

But I think Doyle is a much better receiver than Dwayne Allen. He's really kind of like... Like last year was kind of like Jarvis Landry of tight ends. Not really the touchdowns you expect for a tight end. 8.6 yards per reception, which is right at his career average. Yeah, but it's without Andrew Luck, though. Well, but it's at his career average, though. He barely played, though, with Luck.

Yeah, he was at 9.9 yards per catch in 2016, Jack Doyle, and he catches like 80% of his targets. Well, that's easy when they're only throwing at three feet. It's fine, but still, I mean, he's a reliable pass catcher. He's catching 80% of his targets. And to tie in the PPR draft, you drafted him as your starter, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah, I think I took Doyle and O.J. Howard, which means I probably have two studs, so look out, world. No, Doyle may have good week one and two matchups.

I have no idea. You're streaming tight ends? I don't know. I mean, I'll have to figure out what to do with them in week 16 in the championship. Doyle's got Cincinnati in week one with Jacoby Brissett as his quarterback. One of them is probably a flex for me, I'm guessing. I'm surprised you've got George Kittle a little lower. With all the excitement about Garoppolo and how he featured his tight ends last year

and Kittle's the youngest guy in San Francisco. I thought maybe he'd be a little higher up in the dynasty rankings. Yeah, I thought about it. I could move him as high as, I mean, I've got him 14. I could move him. I don't think I'd move him ahead of that Olsen-Graham-Rudolph tier that I know is going to be starters. Olsen and Graham. Well, Olsen for sure I don't think you can do.

Graham I don't think you can do either just because of the hope that he puts together a couple of good years with Aaron Rodgers. The thing is the two guys that are between that tier in Kittle are Jordan Reed and Tyler Eifert, and they could both be not playing football again or top three tight ends next year. I'm just surprised at the rookies

that you have. I know you're a big Hurst fan, but if Gusecki plays to the level that he could... Yeah. Gusecki's one of those receiver and a tight end body type guys. He may be the Jarvis Landry replacement, along with Albert Wilson and Danny Amendola.

I like his landing spot. Dallas Goddard's 23rd. Any other rookie tight ends worth pointing out? I don't really think so. I mean, Mark Andrews, there are some people who think he's actually the better pass catcher between him and Hayden Hurst. He's 24th. He's younger than Hurst.

He is younger than Hurst. And no Jordan Aikens, huh? Jordan Aikens is on the list somewhere. He's like 30. He's 26. We're talking about his age, not where he's ranked. He's 42nd in your rankings. Yeah, I'm not that interested.

Jordan Aikens for the Texans. Wow. Thank you, guys. I'm surprised there are even 47 tight ends ranked that much, that far. Well, I added him just so that you would be happy that he was on there. Who's 41st? I'm just curious. Vernon Davis.

The young Vernon Davis. You've got to take Aikens ahead of Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis is like 55 years old. So he's two years older than Aikens? Yeah. You've got to take him. Let's go to the e-mails, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Joey C. from Las Vegas.

Oh, this is relevant. He wants us to rate these potential sleepers on a 1 to 10 scale. 1 to 10 on potential every week starter. George Kittle. Five. I'll give him a six. He's a tight end.

The confidence of starting him? Is that the... Every week. The chances that he becomes an every week starter is high. Yeah, I'll say six. Hunter Henry. A bazillion. Will Fuller.

Six. Five. Kind of low, Heath. Yeah, I mean, every week starter at wide receiver, the bar is a lot higher than it is for tight ends. Were you ever comfortable, this is for everybody listening, were you ever comfortable starting Will Fuller last year? I think the game before he got hurt.

Watson, Deshaun, yes. Yeah, I mean, knowing what we know now. But it took you a little while. Like, it took two or three games. No. After one game, we weren't heading to the— As a number three receiver during the bye weeks? Absolutely.

But we were, like, so high, Will Fuller can't do this. Well, Deshaun only played for one of the bye weeks. It was weeks two through five, right? Or two through six? Something like that. I think he played through week seven. All right, two more Joey sleepers. Doug Martin.

What's week 10? Yeah, one to 10. Negative 50? Negative 50. That's a one, Joey. Yeah, I'll give him a one. Marquise Goodwin. Five, six, seven.

Oh, okay. Dustin from Cincinnati. Dear Hoffman, Johnson, Pedroia, and Lynch. Dustin. They're Dustin's. Probably all from Cincinnati. We know there is a clear-cut number one rookie running back in Dynasty Leagues with Saquon. So if you don't have a shot at Saquon, and then he keeps saying Kwon every time I say Saquon,

who are you targeting at number two through five? Who are your top five rookie running backs? P.S., anytime someone says Saquon around my father-in-law, he responds with Kwon, which is a dad joke, to be sure. He must be a thrill at parties. Is this a Dynasty question or a redraft question it's a dynasty league question it's a rookie only draft so a rookie only draft i would say that for me i'm not taking a wide receiver i'm not taking anything but a running back in the first seven

or eight picks agreed yeah i mean for me it's's Geis 2, Jones 3. Penny? I'm sorry. Penny 2, Geis 3. Penny 2, Jones 3. No, Geis 3 for you. Penny 2, Geis 3, Jones 4, and Sonny Michelle 5. I will go Geis, Penny, Freeman, Michelle.

Jones, Geis, Penny, Michelle. Jones, Geis, Penny, Michelle. So I asked, just while we're on this topic, to see what people would give up Saquon Barkley for. So Will Brinson, in every draft we've done since the NFL draft, has taken Darius Geis. And so I asked him, because he, in our dynasty draft, had the first pick and took Barkley. So I asked him, what would it take if you're guaranteed Geis, any picks or any player? And so the owner who took Geis in our dynasty league has both Travis Kelsey and Evan Ingram.

So I said, would you take either of those tight ends and Geis for Barkley? And he said, yes. I think that's something you almost have to do. Yep. I said, would you take, I forget what other question, maybe Allen Robinson and Geis for Barkley? He said no. So, like, Dave, for you, like, what kind of a player would it take

to get Jones and whoever to give up Barkley? Like, what level? Meaning I have Barkley? I don't want to give up Barkley. But you like Jones as your second best guy. That's great. I can like Jones all I want. Who's the second guy?

I've got a first-round running back. Who's the second guy? Seven years. If somebody wants to get out of Le'Veon Bell to get Barkley, you wouldn't take Bell? Bell plus? Bell and Jones. Yeah, that might get me thinking about it. You wouldn't do that?

Yeah, I'd take Bell straight up for him. You would take Le'Veon Bell straight up for Saquon Barkley? In a Dynasty League. In a Dynasty League. I couldn't do that. So he's your number one running back? I have Le'Veon on my team in our Dynasty League. Barkley would be your number one running back in Dynasty? I would have to make...

I figure I'd have to give up something with Le'Veon Bell. I even talked about it with Will, who had the top pick. He said, yeah, I wouldn something with Le'Veon Bell. I even talked about it with Will, who had the top pick. He said, yeah, I wouldn't take Le'Veon Bell. Would he be your number one overall pick in a dynasty league? Barkley. Barkley would be my number one overall pick. Not rookie draft. Just any dynasty startup.

Well, you're obviously taking him over Le'Veon. Yeah, I would take him over Le'Veon. I think I would probably pull the trigger on that. So over Gurley. Over Gurley. Wow. I've got him fifth at running backeon. I think I would probably pull the trigger on that. So over Gurley. Over Gurley. Wow. Yeah, I've got him fifth at running back behind. Well, we'll talk about running backs in a couple weeks.

That's right. Alex from Northwest Burbs of Chicago. Northwest Burbs. That's kind of Libertyville-ish. Okay, Libertyville. Ten-team standard keeper, no penalty, keep one. Kelsey, Thielen, Gordon, Derek Henry. Ten-team standard, Kelsey, Thielen, Gordon, Henry.

Kelsey. Henry? In a ten-team league, you get one of those stud-tight ends. It's so, so beneficial. Yeah, I don't think I'd take Kelsey over Gordon, though. Is it Melvin or Josh? Josh Gordon. Oh, yes.

My bad. Yeah, you're bad. I'm not taking the blame for that. All right, so Kelsey's the pick? Kelsey's the pick. Dan from a beach town in North Carolina. Carolina Beach. Oh, he has help for the listener who didn't know how to set up his draft board with all the trades.

It's quite easy with the CBS draft kit, says Dan from a beach town in North Carolina. I have included a picture of our draft board, which nobody else can see. 12-team, three-keeper league. Basically, you just write the owner's name in the box of the pick they have traded for. Then the sticker for that player goes on the very bottom of the board since CBS provides 24 round boards under the owner's row. We list our keepers on the bottom of each. Yeah.

So that's it. So basically that's a smart move. So you do it by draft spot. You know what I'm saying, I think. And then you write the name of the – forget it. Just listen to what I just read. I'm glad we got this email in for clarification. I'm sure it really helped that owner.

It does help. You write the name of the owner who's picking in the spot, and then you put the sticker for the player underneath. All right, here's an email from Michael. He's in a 10-team half PPR league. Each team gets two keepers In the round they were drafted the year before And a player can be kept the following year

For half of the previous round So in year one you get a 12th round keeper In year two a 6th round keeper That's how it works Don't know our draft position yet So keep two In a 10-team half PPR league Le'Veon Bell in round one

Todd Gurley in round two. Dalvin Cook in round four. Michael Thomas in round six. Alvin Kamara in round 12. And Derrick Henry in round 12. Wawa wewa. It's Gurley and Kamara. Kamara and Thomas.

Yeah, but then if you keep Thomas, you get him for a third next year, which should be fine. And then he'd be a first-round pick two years from now when Alvin Kamara could be 12 divided by two. I said Kamara. He said Kamara and Thomas. Kamara and Thomas. All right, so whereas Gurley is only a keeper for this year.

Jamie, Kamara and who? I'm sticking with my running backs. You're going to do choices again? Le'Veon for a first-round pick, Gurley for this year. Jamie, Kamara and who? I'm sticking with my running backs. Le'Veon for a first-round pick. Gurley for a second. Who you could keep for a first next year. Dalvin Cook for a fourth. You're not going to pick him. Michael Thomas round six. Alvin Kamara round 12. Derek Henry round 12.

Choose two. Half PPO. Kamara and Henry. Oh, you're going late. Kamara and Henry. Oh, you're going late. Camara and Henry. I'm always going to take value. They're all good value. Except for Le'Veon. Alright, see you later everybody.

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