Fantasy Football Today - 06/04: Top 150 Week: #120-91 (Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: June 4, 2019The countdown of our Top 150 PPR players continues! A lot of WR talk as we rank guys like DeSean Jackson, Anthony Miller, Kenny Stills, a couple of rookies and three different Broncos. We're also gett...ing into the back half of the Top 10 QBs with the AFC South well-represented. And we're discussing RBs who are #2 on their team depth charts. plus late-round TEs. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
The Top 150 countdown continues.
Numbers 120 through 91 today.
Welcome back to Fantasy Football Today.
Yesterday was great.
Really enjoyed it.
Good stuff.
I think we're getting people acquainted with players that we don't talk about that much.
And that's great.
Like we're starting with Anthony Miller today.
We haven't talked much about him this offseason.
Welcome to Dave and Jamie.
Hey, guys.
What's up?
What's going on?
Yo.
Just got done watching you guys on CBS Sports HQ.
So make sure you all check it out Monday through Friday this week.
They are doing the Top 150 a little bit differently than we're doing it here on the podcast.
And, you know, since we want to get to it, let's just go through three news items real quick.
Your boss said that ours is better.
Who said that?
Your boss.
The EK?
All your bosses.
I don't believe that.
He also said that we couldn't leave the curse words in
and the Stephen D'Souza.
Oh, you're ratting him out.
Yeah, so...
I'm going to have to talk with him after this.
All right, Duke Johnson wants to be traded.
We talked about him yesterday.
Marquise Lee likely won't be ready for the start of training camp.
We talked about him yesterday.
Obviously, Duke Johnson's value would change quite a bit on a new team.
But there's this Todd Gurley news that people are acting like it's news and in my opinion it is not news at all
it is exactly what we thought but what's just give me a quick summary on what ian rapaport of nfl
network said about todd girley well what he said was that the days of him being in every down back were gone. Right. Yes. We pretty much assumed that, didn't we?
Yeah, pretty much.
But hearing it in a report certainly doesn't help.
And then hearing the coach say, well, we want Todd to be comfortable,
and if he wants to lose some weight, that's fine,
and we aren't going to overwork him.
And I just feel like we're starting to hear all kinds of excuses.
And we started hearing excuses last January.
This past January, I should say.
He had 34 touches in three playoff games.
He had one good playoff game and two duds.
I'm ready to not have Todd Gurley on my fantasy team.
And that's a sentence I never thought I'd say until like 2023.
It's an unknown, and I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens
based on his ADP.
He could end up being somebody that helps you win your league.
Yeah.
The farther he falls.
Well, we'll get to him on Friday because he will certainly be in the top 30.
We'll see.
Should he be?
I would say so.
But, well, he will be for the purposes of these shows this week in our top 150.
But, yeah, we'll talk more about Gurley later in the week
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All right, here we go.
Back to what we were doing.
We're going to try to average two minutes per player,
and we start with number 120, Anthony Miller,
second-year receiver for the Bears who actually led the Bears in touchdown catches.
Oh, no Heath on the show today, by the way.
He'll be back from Wednesday through Friday, just in case you're curious.
Let's talk about Anthony Miller, guys.
What do you think about him going into this year?
He's number 120 for us.
I think he's got a lot of great upside.
If he can score seven touchdowns with one healthy shoulder,
imagine what he can do with two.
He mentioned this offseason that he played with a dislocated shoulder that popped out like five times during the year. Uh, and, and I, I'm
enamored with the talent and I think that the coaching staff can put them in positions to win
and you can get them at a great price on draft day. His value is amazing. Um, I don't know if
his targets will be amazing. That's the problem. So seven touchdowns, I think, will probably be the ceiling.
But you have to hope that the catches and yards go up.
So it's just an offense that doesn't necessarily feature one guy very prominently.
He averaged 3.6 targets per game last year.
So that's a great noise.
You have to almost hope that it doubles
yeah at least right but where you're drafting them it's it's still good value just in case
it's a little less than that like i don't i don't think you're drafting about in round 10
with the hope of him being your number two receiver you're drafting him with the hope of him being your number two receiver. You're drafting him with the hope that he meets some of the upside that he has.
By the way, so I asked everybody for feedback on how they liked the show yesterday.
We got good feedback, mostly positive reviews.
And one person said, can you also list where they're ranked at their position?
And that's a great idea.
So we ended yesterday's show with Albert Wilson at number 121. He was wide receiver
56. He was ahead of Debo Samuel and DK Metcalf, who just cracked the top 60. Number 120 in the
top 150 is Anthony Miller. He is wide receiver 55. Number 119 is a tight end, Austin Hooper.
He is number tight end 11. Number 119 overall and the number 11 tight end. And Austin Hooper actually pretty involved in the red zone,
second on the team with 13 red zone targets,
led the team with 10 targets inside the 10-yard line.
Should I expect anything from Austin Hooper other than just at the end of the year
he's accumulated enough stats to be a top 12 tight end?
Yep.
Wait, I said should I expect anything more than that? No. end. Yep. Wait, I said, should I expect anything more than that?
No.
Okay.
Yep.
Hey, I got a fun tip for you.
I didn't know this until this morning, so don't feel bad if you don't know.
But you probably know.
Who is Austin Hooper's tight end coach?
Mike Malarkey.
Yes, it is.
Mike Malarkey was Delaney Walker's tight end coach.
Before Mike Malarkey, Delaney Walker never had more than 571 yards in a season.
He then had four straight 800-yard seasons with Malarkey,
either as his tight end coach or his head coach.
What's Mike Malarkey's middle name?
Hooper?
No.
I don't know.
Look it up on your free time.
Okay, do you want to say anything about Hooper before we move on? No. I don't know. Look it up on your free time. Okay.
Do you want to say anything about Hooper before we move on?
He's better in PPR because of his high target rate and catch rate.
Puts him ahead of other tight ends that are similar touchdown or bust types like Najoku, Jordan Reed.
I'd rather have those two guys.
In non-PPR?
Maybe.
In PPR, I'd take Hooper. Yeah. I'd just rather settle? Maybe. In PPR, I'd have taken Hooper.
Yeah.
I'd just rather settle for him.
I think he's just not very... The ceiling's not very high.
Right.
I'm settling for all three of these tight ends.
He ended up being the number seven tight end in non-PPR, number six in PPR, Austin Hooper.
And then last question on him.
If you look at the way the Falcons' targets shook out last year, Julio Jones had 170,
and then three players, Sanu, Ridley, and Hooper
all had 88-94.
Do you think Hooper
will be in the same target range as Sanu
and or Ridley this year, or will there be some more separation?
I'll say
there will be a little more separation.
I think Ridley takes a small
step up, and Sanu,
provided that all three receivers stay healthy, takes
a small step back.
I would say it stays exactly the same.
Number 118.
Exactly the same.
Okay.
Exact same stats.
I'm hoping that Ridley kind of gets to the 110 range or something.
It would be at Hooper's expense maybe or Sanu's expense.
Number 118 is Jared Goff.
So Hooper was tight end 11. Jared Goff is QB 11 in our top 150.
That means he's the 11th ranked quarterback in our consensus rankings.
He was number six last year.
Why is he number 11 this year?
It's a good question because he's finished as a top 10 fantasy quarterback each of the last two seasons.
But I think there's some concern about what his offensive line will look like.
There's concern about what his
run game might look like.
And I feel like that there is
a kind of a dark cloud
hanging over Goff where he's okay
as a top 12 fantasy quarterback,
but maybe not one who has the upside
that he's given you the past couple of seasons.
Yeah. What I think is interesting about
last year's kind of splits,
because he had a very bad slump late in the year, Jared Goff.
If you count the postseason, three games,
he had only one game with more than 18 fantasy points in his last eight.
And that was week 17 against San Francisco.
That's 18 and a six point for passing touchdown league.
And that's just bad.
But most of that coincided with Cooper Cup's injury.
Seven games with Cooper Cupp, Jared Goff averaged 27.6 fantasy points per game
and six points for passing touchdown leagues.
He would have been number two in fantasy based on that number
if he had done that for 16 games.
Was that the problem?
And I think we might be sleeping on Jared Goff at QB 11.
He's an unbelievable guy to wait for if you can get him at this spot.
Does he have top three upside?
I mean, he's gotten better every year of his career.
So if the run game does falter, then maybe more is put on his plate.
So we'll see.
Getting Cup back is going to be huge.
Because Josh Reynolds, while he had some good moments
and the tight ends had some good moments,
they don't do what Cup does.
So, you know, having those three receivers at his disposal
was very good for him.
And Sean McVay is going to continue to open the offense for him.
But I agree with Dave.
The offensive line is a concern.
You know, new center, no Saffold.
Whitworth is almost 40.
Yeah, but I don't care about that.
If he's there, he's fine.
Nah, he thought about retiring.
He'll be, I think, to start the year.
Of course he'll be fine.
It could be a problem.
It could be.
Here's another perk.
Daryl Henderson brought into the offense.
What do you do to work around a suspect offensive line?
You screen out passes a little bit more.
Maybe you score some flares.
Yeah, but now they've got another guy to do it with in Henderson,
and I think that could help Goff.
I can't take Goff outside of my top 12.
And I feel kind of bad having him out.
I think he's my 11th-ranked quarterback.
And again, Jamie said it best.
He's a great value, and you can get him late enough
where if you want to take another quarterback,
just in case he's not so good to start the year, he can.
All right, so that's 118, Jared Goff.
Now let's go to 117 and 115.
Number 116 is a running back, but number 117 is a tight end.
Number 115 is a tight end.
And we talked about them, just kind of mentioned their names
with Austin Hooper, who was 119.
So within five picks in our consensus rankings,
we have Austin Hooper, David Njoku, Cleveland's third-year tight end,
and Jordan Reed of Washington
who is entering his seventh season.
How do you guys rank Hooper, Njoku,
and Reed?
In PPR, I've got Hooper,
Njoku, and Reed.
I'll go Reed, Njoku,
Hooper.
Okay, so Njoku in the middle,
and Jamie, you're the highest on Reed.
Now, I heard you guys just talking about Reed,
all three of these guys, on HQ.
So I didn't really realize it,
but Jordan Reed last year played 13 games,
but he played 12 healthy games,
and he left after just one target in the 13th game.
If you take those 12 games and give him 16 games,
he would have had the fourth most targets,
the fourth most catches, and the fifth most yards.
That's based on him playing 16 games, not necessarily everybody.
But he would have had a pretty fairly prolific year.
72 catches, 744 yards, but very few touchdowns.
He was on pace for two and a half touchdowns.
I do remember, guys, though, feeling like Jordan Reed is not the same player anymore.
He's lost it.
Maybe the injuries have taken their toll.
Does he still have big upside like he used to?
I don't think so.
Big upside?
No.
More upside than a lot of the guys in this group?
Absolutely.
Because you look at this receiving core.
And let's keep in mind that the quarterback situation was a complete disaster
for them after alex smith got hurt so the end of the year was just total total just terrible
way to judge this washington offense and i like that jay gruden the things that he's saying
he was asked about being on hard knocks he said if if uh you make the playoffs you're not here
next year you make the playoffs you'll be in there next year he said we don't make the playoffs, you're not here next year. If you make the playoffs, you'll be in there next year.
He said, we don't make the playoffs.
I won't be here next year.
I think he's very understanding of what the situation is.
They need the healthy Jordan Reed.
And he's said as much this offseason that he expects him to be healthy.
He's healthy right now.
He's gotten the toe situation fixed.
So when you get to these tight ends here,
and I probably have Chris Herndon a little bit too low.
I have him behind Reid and Njoko, at least for now.
You're really grasping at straws.
And if you look at what Reid has done in his career, like you said, Adam, what he was on pace for last year,
when he's been right, when he's played 13-plus games, I mean, he's been among the best fantasy tight ends that we've seen.
So I don't know if he's going to ever get back to that level
where he was in 2015 when he was challenging Rob Gronkowski
to be the number one tight end that year.
But can he be top six?
I think so.
I feel like that's his only year better than eighth, though.
Am I wrong?
That's the only time he's been healthy.
Yeah, well, 2016 he played 12 games.
He was on pace for then. It was amazing, too. He was on pace for then was amazing too he was on
pace for 88 catches 915 yards and eight touchdowns which probably would have been like top three just
up to i don't know but that's really good i don't want to i don't want to send us on a tangent but
i want to ask this question and kind of pose it to everybody when you're drafting a tight end late
what are you looking for you're looking for someone to begin the season as your starter, hopefully.
I'm looking for a guy that's going to play my entire season as a starter.
Okay, so taking a guy that is lucky to play 13 games is the way to do that.
Well, it's better than the rookie tight ends, which the track record of those guys is terrible.
Right, but the track record is bad, but it doesn't necessarily mean that those players are going to be bad.
You rarely see two tight ends taken in the first round, and they've got better matchups in week one.
It was three years ago, and they weren't good at all as rookies.
No, well, Ingram was.
Ingram was the one guy.
One guy in the last five years.
Yeah.
But if you're going to take a chance, I might as well take one on someone that's got some upside and some potential and is healthy and is young.
So you don't think that's Reid? I know that Reid's not young. No, and he's got a upside and some potential and is healthy and is young. So you don't think that's Reid?
I know that Reid's not young.
No, and he's got a terrible matchup.
He's got three terrible matchups to start the season.
He's against the Eagles, Cowboys, and Bears.
Who else are they going to throw to, though?
That's the biggest thing.
Targets are going to be so much in his favor.
Great.
Adam, you just said it.
He would have had the fourth most targets.
Josh Johnson and Colt McCoy at the end of the season.
But Adam said from the first
12 games of the year, and I think that was with Alex
Smith, not those other quarterbacks.
Actually, to be clear, he was better
when Alex Smith got hurt, if you recall.
As soon as Alex Smith got hurt,
Colt McCoy came in the game and Jordan
Reed was reborn. It was really
weird. Do you have those numbers?
Yes. First 10 games with Alex
Smith, he had two touchdowns, but one of them
was from Colt McCoy, who replaced
him. So one touchdown in 10 games, and then
after that, he caught seven catches
for 71 yards and a touchdown against Houston.
Oh, that was when Smith got hurt.
And then the following week, six for 75
at Dallas, and then four for
21 at Philadelphia, and then
he got hurt the following week. So two of
the three games that he played without Alex Smith
or with Smith getting hurt, he actually had
seven for 71 on a touchdown and six for
75. It was weird.
So, Dave, are you telling me you'd take
the rookies over Jordan Reed?
Yeah. All right. Give me a quick thought on
Njoku, guys. I think he might
be the most overrated tight end that'll get
drafted this year.
And I'll take him ahead
of Jordan Reed, too.
Because of Beckham?
Odell's definitely going to take
targets away, which means that
Njoku's going to be a touchdown or bust
tight end. And all these guys late in the draft
are going to be. So again,
you want to point to guys who
you feel comfortable with starting to begin
the year. And at least with Najoku, third year player, you know, he's got some potential. He
just hasn't realized that he doesn't have a game in his career with more than like 75 yards. He's
got two games in his career with more than 70. So that means he's got a score to give you numbers
that you'd be happy with at tight end. Last year he had 11 games with at least 5 targets.
In those games he averaged 9.9
PPR points per game. That would have put him
as the 10th best tight end. I expect him
to get better in his third season and I think there's a lot
of upside with Nave and Njoku in this offense.
Like what our buddy Zagura told us
after the Beckham trade. I think he's going to open
things up for this offense and Baker's going to continue to lean on
him. I think he's one of the best fantasy players
not just tight ends you can wait for on drafting.
Starts the season with the Titans and the Jets.
You might think that those are easy matchups, and maybe
they will be, but they were good against tight
ends last year.
I could see that going either way.
He's so talented
and hopefully coming into his own.
Maybe there are a lot of mouths to feed there.
Look, it's tough. It's tough deciding between these guys.
I think if you wait until the end of the draft to draft your tight end or late in the draft, you're going to have a lot of mouths to feed there. All right, look, it's tough. It's tough deciding between these guys. I think if you wait until the end of the draft
to draft your tight end or late in the draft,
you're going to have a lot of options,
and it's just a matter of which guy you really like.
Is it Reid?
Is it Njoku?
Is it Hooper?
Is it a rookie?
You know, you tell us.
Deontay Foreman is number 116.
I'm starting to get excited about him.
You should.
I did notice one problem.
I'm not sure if I had mentioned this or even noticed it before.
85 career carries, three fumbles.
So we got to clean that up.
But yeah, obviously I think we all feel like there's a ton of upside with Foreman.
Yeah.
Normally third-year running backs with under 100 career touches and an Achilles injury are not guys to get excited about, but I think the value is too good to ignore.
Standing ahead of him on the depth chart is Lamar Miller, who I guess the coaches like because they didn't really do anything to take him away from being the starting running back.
But Foreman is physical, and if he's running as well as he, and as we've seen in a couple of videos online,
he's,
you know,
he's more than a year recovered from the Achilles injury.
He should get some opportunities to at least work in tandem with Lamar Miller
with the upside to eventually dislodge Lamar Miller as a,
as a starting running back in Houston.
So getting him in round nine,
round 10,
that kind of range,
not a lot of risk,
plenty of reward. Okay. Deontay Foreman only had seven carries last season. He missed most of the
year. And let's go to wide receivers next year. So we are going four wide receivers in a row.
John Brown for Buffalo. We're at number 114 in the ranking right now. 114, 113, 112, and 111.
We've got John Brown, now with Buffalo.
Emmanuel Sanders entering his 10th season, coming off an Achilles injury.
He was a top 24 wide receiver last year.
He's 113, Emmanuel Sanders.
His teammate, Deshaun Hamilton, is number 112.
And by the way, Cortland Sutton will be there later on in this countdown.
And Nikhil Harry, New England wide receiver, Nikhil Harry, rookie,
first-round draft pick, is number 111.
The way we have it in the consensus rankings is John Brown.
Well, let me go from best to worst.
Nikhil Harry, Deshaun Hamilton, Emmanuel Sanders, John Brown.
How do you guys, Jamie, I'll start with you.
How do you feel about that ranking?
Tell me again.
Yeah, Nikhil Harry, Deshaun Hamilton, Emmanuel Sanders, and John Brown.
I love Deshaun Hamilton in PPR.
I think with Sanders not ready yet from his Achilles injury,
he's going to get plenty of time in the slot.
We saw last year he averaged 13.3 PPR points in the final four games of the season.
When Sanders was out, he's reportedly had a good offseason so far.
So I think you're going to see him continue to improve
in his second season.
I think he's actually the best Broncos receiver in PPR.
I'll take Anthony Miller ahead of everybody that you named.
Really?
Yeah.
I'll take a couple of rookies on top of everybody that you named too.
I agree that Deshaun Hamilton and PPR can be good.
He can get you 10 to 15 points most weeks. And that's especially if Emmanuel Sanders is either
not playing or pushed to the outside because they've both played a lot in the slot.
They both played with a slot-centric quarterback last year. Case Keenum, kind of favors the slot.
And you even think back to when he was in Minnesota and what he did for the slot receivers there.
Flacco isn't quite the same guy.
Flacco likes to chuck it a little bit more.
And I wonder if that's going to hurt the target numbers for whoever's in the slot,
Hamilton, Emmanuel Sanders.
I'm not too excited about having Deshaun on my bench to begin the year.
In deeper PPR, sure, because of that 10 to 15 point window that he could fall into or out of,
depending on where the window is in your house.
Let me talk about Nikhil Harry, and he is a rookie.
And New England, I think the thing I like about him is that Josh Gordon was at his best last year
when Rob Gronkowski did not play.
He had three games without Rob Gronkowski,
and he had four for 100 at the Bears,
five for 130 and a touchdown against the Packers,
and four catches for 81 yards at the Titans.
So three really good games for that outside receiver without Gronk.
Yep, that's interesting. Obviously, it doesn't mean it's going to happen, but
you know, cause I heard, cause I heard Will come on the show and talk about on the video show,
talk about how the Patriots didn't target their receivers that much. But when Gronk was not there,
Josh Gordon did really, really well. So I do see an opportunity, a big one for Harry.
And obviously he's a first-round pick, and he's going to be, of the three, of the
four guys we named, he's going to be on the best
offense. Brown, Sanders,
and Hamilton, and then Nikhil Harry.
I don't think there's any question about that.
No. That stat is
interesting. It definitely gives
me some pause, but
I'll go with what I was prepared to say before
hearing that, which is we know that rookie receivers in New England typically do not fare
well. There's a pretty long standing track record of that. And we know that outside receivers in New
England tend to not play good enough to be great in fantasy. So unless the Patriots kind of overhaul how they run their offense without Gronk,
and maybe you just gave us a glimpse into what that'll be,
I don't know if Harry can be anything more than maybe an off-and-on
number three receiver for your fantasy team,
and I'm not drafting him for that.
Okay.
All right, so we are now up to number 110 in the countdown,
and wide receiver 50.
So Harry was 51.
We just did wide receivers 51 through 54.
Wide receiver 50 is Marquise Brown,
and he is number 110 in our countdown.
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So the next two receivers,
we've got six receivers in a row, including the last
four that we just talked about. Rookie
Marquise Brown for Baltimore.
And Kenny Stills going into his seventh year for the Dolphins.
So, Jamie, you seem to really like Deshaun Hamilton in PPR.
How about over Marquise Brown or Kenny Stills?
Yeah, it's easy for me.
I'm worried about Marquise Brown with the foot injury, his lack of rapport uh not only with lamar jackson but just learning this offense you know because he hasn't
any time this offseason who knows when he will um i'm hopeful lamar jackson gets better but i need
to see it first and we saw john brown's number just completely fall off when jackson took over
so i don't know how consistent their connection will be, uh, to maximize what Brown
skillset is. So Marquis Brown skillset. So, um, I would much rather have Deshaun Hamilton,
same thing over Kenny Stills. I think Stills has a good opportunity, uh, to establish himself as
the number one guy in Miami. But, uh, we saw last year that he, he failed to do so when he had a
prime spot. So I think you, uh, you, you take what Hamilton showed you in those final four games
and you should feel more comfortable with him as your guy.
What are you drinking there, Dave?
I heard a little –
It's water.
It's a gigantic cup of water.
It's 44 ounces.
Wow, that's a lot of water.
Yeah.
Well, all right.
Dave's going to need a bathroom.
I go to the bathroom a lot.
I think this is the part of the draft when you're right around pick 100 overall
where you're looking for priority depth at wide receiver.
Can't say it at running back because that's going to go sooner than this.
But I think that what you're looking for from the receivers at this point
are guys that you want to prioritize as quality bench players for your team,
which I think you can make the argument
for almost anybody that we talk about in this range
as someone that, yeah, I've got to have him.
Deshaun Hamilton's going to catch a lot of passes.
I've got to have him in PPR.
Nikhil Harry's in the right spot.
Marquise Brown is really fast and really uncoverable,
but he's got a liability at quarterback,
and we don't know how healthy he is now or will be
once he starts getting knocked around
because he might be the smallest person in the NFL this season.
So you kind of have to pick and choose your spots here
with the wide receivers that are in this range,
but the whole point of this exercise is to kind of come up with reasons
why you would go after some of these receivers.
All right, so why don't we do this then?
I gave you six wide receivers.
I'll give them a guess.
Before you go there, just to backtrack for a second with Nikhil Harry, there's another
move the Patriots have made.
They're cutting Austin Safarian-Jakins, according to Ian Rappaport.
He's taking some time away for personal reasons.
Oh, wow.
Oh, no.
Okay.
All right.
So the six wide receivers, John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders,
Deshaun Hamilton, McKeel Harry, Marquise Brown, and Kenny Stills.
Give me your top three.
Top three.
Tell me again.
I'm sorry.
You should have the rankings in front of you, you know.
They are John Brown.
But you want our top three.
Yeah, but you should have the list.
John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Deshaun Hamilton,
Nikhil Harry, Marquise Brown, and Kenny Stills.
Hamilton, Stills, and...
Nikhil Harry, Marquise Brown, John Brown.
Marquise Brown.
No, John Brown.
I've got Marquise Brown and Deshaun Hamilton and Kenny Stills,
and I've got Anthony Miller ahead of all of them.
Okay.
And Kenny Stills.
I'll put Deshaun Jackson ahead of all of them.
I think we're going to get to him.
Kenny Stills, 109 overall in our top 150,
and he, to me, I think much better in best ball.
Right?
Well, certainly better.
Seven games with fewer than 20 yards last year.
All right, we've got two quarterbacks now.
Number 108, Drew Brees.
Number 107, Jameis Winston.
Who do you guys like better?
Brees or Ike Tyer.
I love Jameis Winston this year.
Where do you have Winston?
Is he like seventh for you?
Yeah.
And where do you have Brees?
11.
7-11.
Hey, Jameis always open.
Okay, so... All right, let's talk talk about it i'll give you a talking point
jamis winston obviously good great head coach bruce arians they led the nfl in passing last
year i believe right yep and no second second with a different coaching staff but yes not that
this coaching staff is gonna to be focused on giving
Peyton Barber 30 carries a game.
He's so turnover prone.
He can't get out of his own way.
I think Will said it best on our show. I couldn't agree
more with him. If there's ever a quarterback coach
pairing that you want to have, it's Bruce Arians
and Jameis Winston. Bruce Arians' motto
is no risk it, no biscuit. So take chances
to have the opportunity for big plays.
And that's what Jameis is going to do probably as well as anybody else
or as poorly as anybody else,
depending on what side of the equation you come out on that.
So I love the opportunity for him.
I don't think he's going to be looking over his shoulder at,
God, who's there now?
Ryan Griffin, I believe, is there.
Don't call him Peter.
So I think there's a chance here.
Healthy OJ Howard with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin
with a run game that's suspect with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin.
With a run game, that's suspect.
With a defense, that could be terrible.
I just think that Jameis is going to have an opportunity here for a big, big year.
And it's hard to make an argument against Jameis Winston.
It really is because does he have a lot of turnovers?
Definitely.
Could he harpoon a fantasy week for you by f you know, fumbling once and throwing three picks?
Yep.
Is he going to get benched? We just talked about who's behind him.
I don't think it's going to happen so easily.
Could he get hurt?
Maybe, but you can't count on it.
There's no track record.
Even with the offensive line being bad.
And you think about how bad that defense is going to be.
Tampa Bay is already the first defense that you're going to look at on the
schedule and you're going to say,
oh boy, I'm going to start everybody playing against Tampa Bay in my fantasy leagues and
in DFS.
They're going to play from behind a lot.
And it's not just Bruce Arians.
Arians isn't even calling the plays.
It's Byron Lefkowitz calling the plays.
And I always like going with quarterbacks that have offensive coordinators who are former
quarterbacks.
So the only reason why I can't take Jameis as high as seven
is because I like so many other quarterbacks better.
Now, Heath said that he thinks Drew Brees,
I think he said he has big bus potential.
Yes.
Brees was the number eight quarterback in fantasy last year.
In our rankings, Brees is, I think, QB 10.
I think this is QBs 10 and 9.
Yeah, Brees 10, Winston 9. Yeah, it think, QB 10. I think this is QB's 10 and 9. Yeah, Breeze 10, Winston 9.
Yeah, it's because of pass attempts.
Do you guys feel the same way that Breeze could be a bust?
I mean, in the sense of comparing him to where he used to be, absolutely.
In the sense of him not being a startable fantasy quarterback,
I think you can still get by with him for a good portion of the season.
I don't know if he's somebody that you can necessarily say,
I'm going to play all 16 games.
I'm going to play all 13 of my fantasy games and him be the starter.
We saw last year he tailed off at the end of the season.
The nice thing is they got a new weapon in Jared Goff,
but I still think they're going to be the same offense that they've been trending toward.
Jared Goff.
Jared Cook.
Jared Cook, excuse me.
The offense that they've been trending toward.
I actually like the Cook addition.
I think it would be weird if they got Jared Goff.
That would be bad for Breeze.
All right, let's move on in our top 150.
That was 108 and 107.
106 is Carlos Hyde.
105 is a wide receiver.
104 is Deion Lewis.
So let's pair Carlos Hyde and Deion Lewis.
They are two number two running backs on their depth charts, but pretty different.
I think pretty different in terms of upside, in terms of roll.
Yeah, one shouldn't be drafted.
Deion Lewis shouldn't be drafted, right?
Deion Lewis.
He had 50 catches last year.
I'm happy for him.
Really, I am.
Yeah, 59, 59, pardon me.
They're building their offense around Derrick Henry and slot receivers.
Yeah.
He's probably like, if Damian Williams goes right,
then Deion Lewis will probably outscore Carlos Hyde.
But if Damian Williams goes wrong,
and Derrick Henry goes wrong too,
like let's say both Hyde and Lewis get these great opportunities,
oh my God, Hyde is going to be a million times better.
I know, Jamie, you have your eye on Carlos Hyde, right?
Yeah, I'll absolutely take him in this range.
I'm not sold on Damian Williams being the full-time starter for 16 games in Kansas City.
And so I think Hyde, you know, it's easy to look at guys that struggled a season ago when they were in bad situations.
Like Golden Tate's another guy that comes to mind.
He was just in a terrible situation.
I don't think he's as bad as he was.
I don't think Carlos Hyde is nearly as bad as he was in Jacksonville.
He was averaging over 15 points per game in the first four games for Cleveland last year.
Two seasons ago, he was a 59-catch guy,
so I think he can catch the ball a little better than people expect.
I'd much rather take my chances on Hyde in this range than Damien Williams in his range.
You've also been taking Hyde and Darwin Thompson.
Sorry, I was laughing at myself. My bad. Go been taking Hyde and Darwin Thompson. Sorry.
I was laughing at myself, my bad.
Go ahead. Hyde, Darwin Thompson.
Yeah, if I get both, I'll do that all day.
Okay. How many times
have I called Damien Williams Damien Lewis?
I don't know.
I thought you were talking about Derrick Henry at one point.
Who knows? Damien Lewis is in billions.
You're a melon farmer.
I just wanted to bring up billions.
Damian Lewis, also a member of the 2001 Miami Hurricanes.
Curtis Samuel is number 105 on the list.
We got some wide receivers here.
We got a lot of wide receivers.
I don't want to group all four of them.
I don't want to undersell any of them.
So let's do two and two.
Numbers 105 and 103 on the top 150 are Curtis Samuel for Carolina,
who is entering his third season,
and new Oakland wide receiver Tyrell Williams coming over from the Chargers.
And let me just tell you where they are.
They are wide receivers 48 and 47.
That must have been fun to listen to.
Who do you like better, Curtis Samuel or Tyrell Williams?
I love Curtis Samuel this year.
Say what?
One of my favorite players' targets.
Yeah.
I agree.
You're like Coca.
Yeah.
Okay, why?
He was just very good to close the season.
I think it was the last seven of his final eight games last season.
He had at least 11 PPR points.
He had three games with over eight targets in that span.
And so it was just fun to see him get used a little bit more.
Two of those without Cam Newton, but I think as long as Cam is right,
look at this receiving core.
It's DJ Moore, Samuel, and Chris Hogan as their top
three guys. Obviously McCaffrey and Greg Olson are there, but I think Samuel's targets will go up.
I think you'll see him be, uh, also get some gadget plays too. Um, so I, I like the opportunity
for him and if more, for whatever reason struggles, then he could see even an increased targets.
It's, uh, 11 or more PPR points in those seven games that Jamie's talking about.
Only one was more than – two were more than 15.
So it doesn't necessarily have a sky-high ceiling, but again, priority depth.
You're looking for wide receivers that in a pinch,
you've got to put them in your lineup.
This is a good one.
Samuel is someone who I think can continue to deliver in this short area,
catch-and-run type of offense that they're continuing to develop.
What about Tyrell Williams?
41 catches, 653 yards, five touchdowns on just 65 targets last year.
65 targets in 16 games, so he just wasn't very involved.
In 2016, he was 13th in non-PPR, 18th in PPR when he was very involved with Keenan Allen missing most of the season.
But obviously Antonio Brown's there, so should I really be thinking about Tyrell Williams even at 103rd overall?
I think that's too high.
I think inconsistency goes hand-in-hand with Tyrell.
You know Antonio Brown's going to get a ton of targets.
And you know that they're going to run the ball certainly more effectively than they did last year.
And that Josh Jacobs is going to get more work.
So Tyrell is probably going to end up being a shot play guy.
And so you're starting him with the hope
that he comes through on one of those shot plays.
And there's a ton of receivers that are like that.
And we've talked about a bunch who have more upside already.
Let's talk about two more.
Counting down. 102 and 101 in the top 150.
James Washington for Pittsburgh.
Did not have more than five targets in any game last year,
but things will change.
And Deshaun Jackson going back to Philly.
32 years old, entering his 12th season.
Dave, I know you've been talking a lot
about Anthony Miller do you like Deshaun Jackson even more than Anthony Miller
I've got Miller one spot higher than D-Jax in my PPR rankings but I I love the fit of Deshaun
Jackson in Philadelphia again priority depth he's he's not going to have the same type of targets
as some of the other guys that we're talking about.
Like, for example, I would assume that Curtis Samuel will have more targets.
Deshaun will have fewer targets.
But what he does with the targets he gets, there's potential for him to finish as a number three receiver.
And when we're talking about the 100th overall pick on draft day, I don't think that's a bad thing to shoot for with a wide receiver at this point in the draft.
They need that element in their offense of a deep ball threat.
He's got that speed.
He's healthy.
He's been practicing with Wentz.
They've been connecting.
Got a stat for you.
Last year, he had 27 targets on deep throws in Tampa Bay.
Of the 27, 10 were catchable.
He caught nine of them.
Wow.
For 374 yards and four touchdowns,
three of them came from Ryan Fitzpatrick, not from Jameis Winston. For whatever reason, he and Jameis just could not get on the
same page. It already sounds like he and Wentz are on in the right direction on being on the same
page. And I think that offense wants again, wants that element and we'll take advantage of it. So
Deshaun, it will be unpredictable. He won't be consistent, but when you need a receiver
on a bye week, he's got
boomer bus potential.
I just worry about where the targets come from for him.
I mean,
they've lost 44 targets from a year
ago, and they've
added two guys.
Well, our Segoe
white side, I don't think he's going to get more than a couple
per game. He might be a red zone threat.
There's the 44 from both sides.
Sure.
Now, where does Jackson start?
Do you go over all the targets that they had last year?
Alshon Jeffrey didn't play the whole season,
and I think you said that he didn't even have 100 targets last year.
I don't think he loses any.
Yeah, I don't think Alshon loses any.
I don't think Ertz might lose a smidge.
Well, Ertz could lose a lot.
I mean, 150 picks, that's among the league leaders at any position.
So he might be down to 130.
How many did Aguilar have?
97.
He led the team.
He led the receivers.
Yeah, that ain't happening.
So Deshaun can pick up about 70 there.
He's going from 97 to 20?
Yeah, they didn't bring in Deshaun Jackson to be the cheerleader.
He's going to get targets.
I don't think he's losing 70 targets.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they're going to throw the ball
the exact same amount of times they did last year, right?
No, but I mean 592 is kind of what Doug Peterson does.
All right, so who do you like better, James Washington or Deshaun Jackson, Jamie?
I think Jackson's safer.
Washington certainly has a much higher ceiling
because that's an offense that's going to have to replace 168 targets.
Do you like Curtis Samuel or James Washington?
Samuel.
Dave, do you like Curtis Samuel or Deshaun Jackson?
I'll take Deshaun over Samuel, but it's close.
We've talked about a lot of wide receivers.
In non-PPR, it's not close.
If we could just sum it up,
we've talked about a lot of wide receivers just on this show today,
starting with number 120 in the rankings. Anthony Miller, we've talked about a lot of wide receivers just on this show today. Starting with number 120 in the rankings.
Anthony Miller.
We've talked about Miller, John Brown,
two Broncos receivers, Nikhil
Harry and Marquise Brown, Kenny Stills,
Curtis Samuel, Tyra Williams,
James Washington, and Deshaun Jackson.
Seems like our favorites
for Dave would be
Miller and Deshaun Jackson.
For Jamie, probably be Deshaun Hamilton
and Curtis Samuel.
Sure.
And where does James Washington fit in with this?
Behind those guys.
But ahead of Emmanuel Sanders?
Behind Emmanuel?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ahead of?
Ahead of.
Okay.
All right, let's keep on counting down.
I think we have 10 more for today's show.
This is fun. We're at number 100. All right, let's keep on counting down. I think we have 10 more for today's show.
This is fun.
We're at number 100.
All right, changing 100.
Carson Wentz.
That movie?
Oh, my goodness.
I got it.
Vegas Vacation.
Carson Wentz is QB8, and he is number 100 overall.
You want to save him for Heath for tomorrow?
No. Heath missed the show. for Heath for tomorrow? No.
Heath missed the show.
He doesn't get a chance.
I actually think Heath is somewhat high on Carson Wentz this year, right?
Yeah.
Should be.
What a weird year it was. He had a better year by some numbers, like career-high completion percentage,
passer rating was better than 2017.
But he fumbled a lot.
He just wasn't great so can he will he be great this year will carson wins be great i think there's potential for him
to be a top five fantasy quarterback this this team jamie said it they like to live around 592
pass attempts that's what you were referring to so right around92 pass attempts. That's what you were referring to. So right around 600 pass attempts per game. He's got so many weapons. He's got great protection, top five offensive line
and the defense. I think it'll be good. I don't know if it'll be great. So I think there could
be a lot of high scoring games. I think there could be a lot of three touchdown games for
Carson Wentz. This is one of the quarterbacks I'm taking ahead of Jameis Winston. I think that he's got
top five potential and certainly a chance to be
awesome for fantasy. Yeah, I have him back to back. I think Wentz certainly
has a high ceiling, but will he stay healthy? That's the hardest thing to
say with him because two years in a row he's had season-ending injuries.
The ACL was obvious. The back was a little bit of a surprise.
So
you have to build that in with him at this point.
The Eagles were
18th in scoring in 2018.
In 2017,
they were third.
So something was just missing
there. Maybe a little bit more
mobility will help for Wentz.
Well, you had Wentz not playing to start the year
and then not playing the end of the year. So their offense changed.
Yeah, but he missed some games
in 2017, too.
But they were so good to start the year.
And they won the Super Bowl.
Yeah, and I just felt like something
was missing.
I couldn't really put my finger on it.
I think what I read mid-season was that the RPOs
weren't working as well, the run-pass options.
Maybe the league caught up to them a little bit.
I hope not.
All right, we got two receivers back-to-back here at 99 and 98 in the top 150.
Third Broncos receiver of the show, Cortland Sutton,
who actually was worse than both Deshaun Hamilton and Tim Patrick
in four games without Emmanuel Sanders last year.
No, he was terrible.
Yeah, he really was.
But most pedigree, best pedigree of the three.
And then Kiki Cutie.
So 99 is Cortland Sutton, 98 is Kiki Cutie.
What are we looking at with these guys?
Sutton, I feel like we could paint him with the same brush
that we painted Corey Davis with last year.
Came into the league with a lot of fanfare, a lot of hype,
and when given a chance to meet that hype, he failed.
But the only good thing you can say about Sutton was that he averaged a little more than 15 yards per catch,
but his catch rate stunk in those games without Emmanuel Sanders.
And I don't know if he had the right quarterback for that.
Now Flacco's there.
I think that gives him a chance to collect on more targets beyond 15 yards.
It's just a matter of whether or not he can take that step up from year one to year two.
And the bet that a fantasy owner has to make is in round nine.
It's not that much to ask for.
He's not my favorite guy to target,
but I would almost pencil him in ahead of these other priority receivers
just because of the potential that he has
as the number one outside receiver in Denver.
So I want to read what Chris Trapasso,
one of our NFL draft writers, wrote recently on CBS.
He wrote,
Five second-year players who could emerge as stars
in the upcoming season.
Number one on his list is Cortland Sutton.
Sutton was my wide receiver one
and number five overall prospect in the 2018 class.
I compared him to an early career Brandon Marshall.
So yeah, I loved him as a prospect.
And then you can go on and read the rest.
But there is that for what that's worth to you.
Joe Flacco has a history of good number one wide receivers.
Not great, but Steve Smith had good production for him,
like Torrey Smith.
But is anybody really going to be able to emerge,
or are we just going to have a mess?
I mean, I like Hamilton, so I'll take him.
But you like him for the catches, right?
Yeah.
Look, Sutton has an opportunity here if he can take hold of being the number one guy.
He struggled when Thomas was traded last season,
and then he struggled even more so when Sanders was gone.
That was clearly a chance for him to step up and have big production, and he didn't.
So he's got to prove it now.
So for QT, number 98 in the top 150, Kiki QT,
tell me why a team that doesn't really pass very often
has three wide receivers in the top 100.
Well, two have a hard time staying healthy,
one of which is this guy.
Played six games last year, really only four of them.
As long as it's him and not Hopkins.
Right.
Okay, do you guys like him at 99 overall or 98 overall?
I like him in PPR.
I don't like him as much in non PPR because I think he's got,
listen,
if,
if will Fuller and nuke are going to,
you know,
draw defenses away downfield,
the middle of the field is going to be wide open for QT.
And Deshaun Watson's been talking up QT this off season says he's playing
without thinking.
That's a good thing.
He's got his speed back.
He's healthy.
He wasn't healthy last year at all.
I think there's some comparable Deshaun Hamilton type of traits
between these two guys.
QT is faster.
But I think they're comparable in terms of fantasy.
They could both be high volume reception guys. Next three players in our rankings are numbers 97, 96, and 95. They're all running
backs. They are RBs 40, 39, and 38 in the running back rankings. And one of them might be a starter,
Jarek McKinnon, Ido Smith, Jordan Howard. Hey, maybe Jarek McKinnon is going to be a starter.
I don't know. Maybe all three could be starters.
Not week one.
Ito Smith is not going to be a week one starter.
Jarek McKinnon, Ito Smith, and Jordan Howard, back to back to back.
Jamie, how would you rank those three?
Smith, Howard, McKinnon.
Really?
Ito first, huh?
Yeah.
Dave, how would you rank them?
I'll go Howard,
Ido,
okay,
now McKinnon.
Ido first. I'm very intrigued.
Go ahead, Jamie.
I don't buy this. Jordan Howard's a great pass
catcher all of a sudden. He was a great pass catcher
last year at this time in Chicago.
He is who he is.
The Eagles, one report is Howard's done a great is who he is. And, you know, the Eagles,
one report is Howard's doing a great job catching the ball.
The next report is Doug Peterson's talking about Boston Scott
as the next Darren Sproles.
So Miles Sanders is going to be the guy in Philadelphia.
He's going to take the majority of touches there when he's healthy.
Right now he's got a hamstring problem, so he's not practicing.
If Sanders doesn't play for whatever reason over extended stretch,
then Howard's got more upside.
But I'll take the number two guy in Philly over what could be one of the
shared number two guys in Atlanta over what could be one of five number two
guys in Philadelphia with Corey Clement and Wendell Smallwood and Boston Scott.
And they're going to bring back Darren Sproles and re-sign Jay Ajayi.
And Ricky Waters is coming out of retirement.
I mean, the Eagles are just going to use a bunch of guys.
I have his rookie card.
Who, Ricky Waters?
I think I have like 100 of them.
I think I still have them.
Does anybody want one?
Well, do you think that he could start week one, Jordan Howard?
Yes.
I think he's a terrific.
Yes. I think he's a terrific. Yes.
I think he's a terrific week one.
Could he finish week one or finishes the stud back?
I mean, he'll get five carries here in the first quarter.
Oh, may not seem in the second half.
He's got Washington.
Washington, by the way, should have a great defensive line.
I agree.
I think by week six, Jordan Howard might be totally out of the picture.
And I think just from game to game,
Jamie said that the Eagles are going to use multiple running backs,
no matter what.
Miles Sanders is healthy,
not healthy there.
They will use more than two running backs over the course of a game,
primarily,
probably two backs.
But Jordan,
I think the whole reason why we're hearing about Jordan Howard catching
passes is because no one else is,
you know,
they're clamoring for Miles Sanders to come back.
He's not a great pass catcher,
but if you subscribe to Zero RB,
he's exactly the type of running back you're looking for.
Howard, to begin the season with, is one of your starters.
So if you see Jerry McKinnon, Ido Smith, or Jordan Howard available
95th, 6th, or 7th overall, do you think...
I'm running for Howard.
And I do not run fast.
Neither does Howard.
Alright, we got four more to get to here.
Should we group them together?
I guess we could group Cam Newton and Matt Ryan together.
They are 94th and 92nd.
And they are QBs 6th and 7th.
So, or should that be...
Yeah,
alright. I think they're QB's 6th and 7th.
Yeah, because Carson Wentz was QB 8th.
So Cam Newton is QB 7th and Matt Ryan is
QB 6th in the rankings.
And he's a
decent amount behind QB 5th,
Baker Mayfield, who we'll talk about tomorrow.
So, Cam Newton or Matt Ryan, guys,
who do you like?
Ryan. Same.
What do you expect from
Cam Newton?
What do I expect?
What am I hoping for? He could be the best fantasy quarterback, or he could
miss eight games.
I mean, he had his best...
He had the second best passer rating
of his career behind his MVP season,
and he did that with an arm injury for most of the year.
He was averaging 26 fantasy points per game before that matchup against Tampa Bay
when you just knew something was wrong.
That was late in the year.
He really did well with this version of Norv Turner's offense.
Yeah, I mean, I think these guys could be great value here.
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty obvious.
He's not throwing difficult passes.
He's got a lot of players around him that make plays after the catch.
And he was still doing a nice amount of running.
I don't know if it was what he did even two years ago.
But he was well on his way to finishing as a top five fantasy quarterback.
If he's healthy, if that shoulder's right, it doesn't sound like
it's an Andrew Luck type of situation,
then he could do it again.
Again, wonderful value on
draft day if you wait on quarterback.
Now, I think if you draft Cam Newton,
depending on how many quarterbacks
get drafted in your league and what's on the waiver wire,
you probably want to get a second guy.
But what if you draft Matt Ryan?
Are you cool with him just being your only quarterback?
Yeah.
I mean, the only thing I worry about them is schedule.
It's a tough, tough schedule that they have to face.
But they play indoors on turf for the first three months of the season.
They literally won't see the sun until like November, late November, December.
You probably also worry with Matt Ryan about his pass attempts because we think the defense should be a lot better.
And his pass attempts last three seasons, 534, 529, not a ton, and then 608 last year.
Now, it's worth mentioning he had 534 pass attempts three years ago and he won the MVP.
But probably can't be that efficient again.
In two of his last three seasons,
he's had at least a 69% completion rate,
4,900 yards,
35 touchdowns,
and he didn't have it in 2017 and Julio Jones was battling an injury.
He's had at least 4,500 yards,
six of his last seven seasons.
He's going to end up being maybe the best bargain on draft day.
Cam could beat him for it.
If Cam comes to training camp and everything's fine and he's not missing any time and he's
still being drafted at this spot, he'll be the better bargain.
But if that's not the case, because I think Cam's value will go up if he's practicing,
then Matt Ryan could end up being the best bargain on draft day.
Who do you prefer in a four-point-per-passing touchdown league?
Cam.
You've got to give it to Cam because of the rushing.
Do you go Cam or Baker Mayfield in that format?
Baker.
Baker.
All right, let's go to two more here.
Number 93 is Latavius Murray.
And number 91, I won't spoil it.
You're just going to have to wait to find out who number 91 is.
Latavius Murray is RB37.
And he checks in just ahead of that Jarek McKinnon,
Ido Smith, Jordan Howard group, just a few spots ahead of them.
What is his role with New Orleans?
What was Mark Ingram's role with New Orleans?
Is it the same?
If not less.
Oh, it's definitely going to be.
It won't be more.
Although, okay, so let me review that
because Mark Ingram last year last year's
market didn't do that much right 12.9 touches per game over 14 games that includes the playoffs
obviously because he was suspended for four games averaged about 65 yards per game but he had seven
touchdowns so won every other game on average i i think latavius can do that. I'm sure what the Saints saw is that they've got the same type of player
as Mark Ingram, but younger and with less fumble issues.
And he might have been cheaper.
Mark Ingram had 12 carries inside the five-yard line in 12 games.
Alvin Kamara had 13 carries inside the five-yard line in 15 games.
How many catches for Kamara inside the five?
It probably isn't that high.
No, it might be.
But does Latavius Murray get some goal line work?
Yep.
He will definitely have four or five touchdowns this year from inside of three yards.
Okay.
You want a final thought on him?
How do you feel about him 93rd overall?
I think you're drafting him right around that point,
maybe even a little bit higher as a running back
who will give you some numbers from week to week,
and if anything happens to Alvin Kamara,
he'll be top 12 type of running back in the rankings.
If he's the only show in town for the Saints,
he'd be outstanding.
And then finally, Larry Fitzgerald,
wide receiver 42, number 91 overall in our PPR top 150.
Larry Fitzgerald entering his 16th season.
He's going to be 36 years old in August.
Just two years ago, he was a top 10 wide receiver.
In fact, he had three straight years as a top 12 wide receiver in PPR
before slumping last year on the worst pass offense in football.
They should be better.
What do you expect from Larry Fitzgerald this year?
I think he could see fewer targets.
He's got a lot in common with some of the other rookies that they drafted
in that he's a great route runner, but he is not fast like these other guys.
Andy Isabella, Hakeem Butler, Christian Kirk.
I know he wasn't a rookie this year.
He was last year.
But these guys all have in common.
It's what you're looking for in the air raid offense is great route running
and the ability to make plays after the catch.
Fitzgerald's got one of those things.
The rookies have both.
Catches last four seasons.
The young receivers, I should say.
109, 107, 109, and then 69 last year.
It wasn't just a case of getting old.
I mean, they were so bad last year.
How many catches would you project him for this year? Does he get to
85?
Nope. I'd say 80.
Hmm.
So the guys behind him that you take
over Larry Fitzgerald
are who? Some of those names that we've liked
are maybe the rookies, Harry,
Nikhil Harry and Marquise Brown, but Curtis
Samuel, James Washington,
the Broncos guys, Deshaun Jackson, Anthony Miller.
Who would you take ahead of Fitzgerald?
Oh.
So how the hell did he get so high in the consensus rankings?
Is this Heath?
Might be me.
I'm looking at my rankings, and he's a top 100 player for me in PPR.
So do you like Fitzgerald or Anthony Miller?
In PPR, I guess you could make the case for Fitzgerald or Anthony Miller? In PPR,
I guess you can make the case for Fitzgerald
because he'll get more targets per game.
All right.
Okay, so it was Dave and Heath.
In fact, Jamie is the reason why Fitzgerald's so low,
apparently, at 91.
We are done with 60 players, baby.
We got 90 more to go.
I'm feeling it.
So who said that we couldn't use the curse words?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
You're a rat.
What a rat.
My boss, you know.
I know who he is.
I just thought Jamie was about to curse.
Thanks for listening.
I cursed?
You're the Harris of this podcast.
We'll talk to you on...
Jamie, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
Jamie, do you have something you'd like to say?
Bye.