Fantasy Football Today - 07/08: Startup Dynasty Thoughts; Vegas Odds; Melvin Gordon Analysis (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 8, 2019

After we plug an important charity (fantasycares.net), we're putting Melvin Gordon under a microscope (4:22) to figure out if you should draft some WRs ahead of Gordon or if he should be the #5 pick in drafts. Heath actually has Gordon as his RB6 ... Fantasy combos (12:45)! Which pairing do you like better? ... We review our startup Dynasty SuperFlex draft (26:00). It's 12-teams, PPR with a lot of roster spots. How did we approach QB in this format? Is it foolish to start your dynasty draft with two RBs? When should Tyreek Hill be drafted? Why did the rookie WRs last so long? Are TEs less valuable in this format (39:30)? Also, Dave is back from a trip to Vegas and he brings with him some Vegas odds (45:15) on who will lead the NFL in passing yards, rushing yards and receiving yards. Place your bets! ... Email us at [e-mail] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Well, it feels like fantasy football season, doesn't it?

It's July 8th. I feel like it's just like an unofficial beginning of the fantasy football season. Anybody else feeling that? Dave Richard, you're back. Is that why I'm feeling that way? Because you're back from vacation? We are nine Sundays away. That's it? That's it. If you include Sunday, the Sunday

before we're recording, yeah, that's it. We are, and that's till week one. We still have all the preseason football you can handle, all the preseason football you can handle, all the training camp news you can handle. We're here, baby. All right, Dave's back. Welcome back.

How was your little respite? Much needed, and just like any good vacation, it feels great to be back once you're back from the vacation. There is such a thing as too much vacation. I don't know. When you are cruising to nowhere on an old boat with your wife's family... That's not vacation.

No, that sounds more like work. I wanted to go to work. You need to redefine vacation. The first half of the vacation was great, and the second half was not a vacation. Okay. Well, that's good. Dave said he was excited to be back at work. And the second half was not a vacation. Okay. Well, that's good. But I love the family.

Dave said he was excited to be back at work. So I think he's got the itch. He's got the football itch. Heath is here. Jamie's here. The Scott Fish Bowl has started. How's that going, guys? Well, literally just started.

So for the first 15 minutes of Fishbowl drafting, it's been wonderful. Dave's going to make a pick on air. I hope so. How's Nathan Janke of Pro Football Focus doesn't take forever. How's your fishbowling, Scott Nazer? So, yeah, can you guys explain to everybody what the Scott Fishbowl is? Just like a 15-second thing, and we can promote Fantasy Cares as well? It's the world's biggest coolest fantasy

league and everybody's in it except for you uh there are like 1200 teams playing in 100 different leagues that all filter into one league and one champion it's run by scott fish who also runs fantasy cares um you should go to fantasycares.net and donate money they buy kids for kit for kid buy toys for kids they don't buy kids they buy toys for kids for christmas uh i went last year with about two thousand dollars and bought so many toys i had to go back twice. I couldn't fit it all in my vehicle and took them all to Toys for Tots. It's awesome. You spent $2,000 on charitable toys? Yes.

Oh, my goodness. Good for you. I believe last year this whole thing raised $46,000. Wow. Good for you, man. And good for Scott Fish. I'm sure we'll try to get him back on the show. Fantasycares.net. Today on our show, we're going to try to do this, at least for the next few weeks, put a player under the microscope. Today it's Melvin

Gordon. Last week we did James Conner. Two weeks ago, James Conner. Then we did the projections last week. Big thanks to Heath Cummings and Ben Gretsch for really pulling the weight of those podcasts, those four episodes. I think they were outstanding. I learned a lot. I think you'll get a lot out of it if you haven't

listened to them yet, those projection shows. Just a quick news item. A couple of news items. I got some fantasy combos. We did a Dynasty Superflex, a Dynasty startup draft with a Superflex. It was awesome. Was it? I don't remember. I feel like it was so long ago.

Well, it was funny because I forgot that it was a super flex league, and then I forgot that it was a dynasty league, and then I forgot that it was a three-wide receiver league. And we were doing a podcast while we were doing the draft. So fun was maybe not the word that Adam and I would use. I had a draft for two people. So that was enjoyable. Well, we'll try to talk about it.

For 22 rounds. I'm the one who reminded most people that it was a super flex draft. Let's get started with putting. I said that I did when I sent the invite saying it's a super flex. Oh, yeah. I did it during the draft. Putting a player under the microscope. Melvin Gordon.

Yeah, I don't know. Ben maybe freaked me out a little bit on Melvin Gordon. I do think that you can be victim to a little paralysis by analysis, as we say, but there's no question, just like James Conner, when James Conner came back from his injury, he did not have as big of a role in the passing game and his statistics in the passing game for James Conner really really helped him out big time same exact thing happened with Melvin Gordon in his final four games including two postseason games after returning from injury he had nine targets Justin Jackson was more involved in the passing game. Austin Eckler was involved in the passing game.

So he just wasn't himself after the knee injury. But anyway, should we be hesitant to draft Melvin Gordon fifth overall or at the very least as the fifth running back off the board? I'm not ready to use the term hesitant. I'm fine with him going at number five. fifth overall or at the very least as the fifth running back off the board? I'm not ready to use the term hesitant. I'm fine with him going at number five. Things can change. I've given some thought to moving David Johnson there, but I want to see just how the Cardinals offense looks in the preseason.

So if that move happens, it's not going to happen for another month. He's been great for fantasy. The consistency has been outstanding. He was number one in non-PPR last year, number three in full PPR. In consistency, not in overall. No, in consistency. I think he should do it for 16.

Because he missed four of the games. That wasn't very consistent. No, but when he played, he obviously did very well. And that's the whole reason why we're taking him in number five overall. I go back and forth. I've got him, I think, six or seven, but he's only played 16 games once,

and they've mostly been knee issues. And I do think that he's a little bit scary. Who do you have over him? Receiver, DeAndre. He's your fifth running back. And I think I've got Connor over him in PBR. But Connor's injury concerns aren't the same? I don't think they're the same,

because it's happened to him once. He's basically had one year. Right's basically had one year. But he also has a history in college and unfortunately the leukemia situation. Yeah, I mean, they're similar. Melvin Gordon has finished between fifth and eighth

three straight years at running back. The highest he's been was number five. And he was probably going to finish fourth or fifth last year, but in that tier with those great running backs, he finished sixth in non-PPR,

eighth in PPR in just 12 games. So Ben brought up the issue of are they going to maybe scale back with the workload a little bit? Heath brought up the issue with Hunter Henry. Everybody's brought up the issue, but they going to maybe scale back with the workload a little bit? Heath brought up the issue with Hunter Henry. Everybody's brought up the issue, but Heath, I think, was the first I heard. With Hunter Henry back, what's Melvin Gordon's passing game role going to be?

Jamie, where do you stand on Melvin Gordon? I use fifth. I look at this offense. I think you can make a case that they may be the most complete team in the AFC. It's it's going to be fun to see them battle the Chiefs and how, you know, Kansas City's sort of roster overhaul impacts that that team a little bit or the slight roster overall, mostly on the defensive side. But I do think that, you know, the Chargers offense, really, my biggest concern is the offensive line. You know, I don't think they did enough to enhance it and they struggled toward the end of the season. I don't really, you know, the targets

were a little concerning, but he did have, you know, at least six catches the last two regular season games. If I'm getting three catches from my running back on a weekly basis, I'm fine with that. You know, I think you look at what his goal line opportunities are, his ability as a rusher, it'd be nice to see him stay healthy. He is in a contract situation, you know, so I think that will help him. I also wonder from the Chargers standpoint, you know, in terms of scaling back the workload, I wonder if they go the opposite direction and almost take a DeMarco Murray type approach and, you know, say, OK, we're going to get the most out of you. And then we're done, you know, and kind of just, you know, use you and abuse you. We'll see. I just think he's he's such a talented rusher. He's in an explosive offense. And I, I, I look at his, his opportunities.

Justin Jackson to me was just really a by-product of, you know, what the situation was for Gordon at the end of the season, knowing that they were going to be a playoffs. I think that they were trying to maybe make sure he got that, got there and got there at a hundred percent. The way he got hurt was so stupid. You know, I hope they don't make that same mistake, but Anthony Lynn's a former running back coach. Um, you know, they, they've really done things to enhance him, bringing in his fullback from Wisconsin a couple years ago.

I think Rivers is going to scale back a little bit in terms of how the offense operates from a passing standpoint. So I'd be a little bit more concerned about that standpoint. And Hunter Henry really coming in, it's just moving targets around. Because you take Tyrell Williams off the field, you take Antonio Gates off the field, then you see Hunter Henry sort of take a chunk of that with Mike Williams also helping out in that regard too. So I don't really worry about him.

I could certainly see myself also, like Dave said, moving David Johnson ahead of him if the Cardinals offense looks the way I hope it's going to look just because I think that's also an explosive situation. But he's no worse than sixth. Yeah. I think that, for me, again, it could be paralysis by analysis. You wonder, are they going to scale back the workload?

But the bottom line is, he's going to get a ton of goal line carries. He missed four games last year, but 2016 and 17, Melvin Gordon ranked third in carries inside the five-yard line both seasons. He's a pretty good bet. If there is a good bet for double-digit touchdowns, he's among the best rushing touchdowns. You know, good offense. Like, he should be really good.

I guess, how do you decide in a PPR league specifically if you think Gordon might not catch as many? He caught 50 last year, but he was on pace for 75 before the injury. If you think he's not going to be as big of a factor, maybe. How do you decide between him and Hopkins or Adams or Julio, whoever you like? The receivers are safer. Are they? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, but Melvin Gordon's a lot safer for touchdowns than Julio Jones. He's safer for touchdowns overall? I think it depends on where you make the cutoff with the receiver. Like, I would take Hopkins and Adams over Gordon, but I think he's safer than Julio from a touchdown standpoint. Now, PPR obviously is a little bit different. That's what I'm saying. Like, Julio or Melvin Gordon in PPR. I would just take those two receivers over him.

I wouldn't take Julio over him. Okay. All right. And that is Melvin Gordon. And right now his ADP on Fancy Football Calculator is seven. Cool. So there's only one receiver going ahead of him. David Johnson is going ahead of him.

Right. That's going to be a fun call. I'm excited. I'm excited about the cards. And if you're just looking from a comparison, the running back is going after him in PPR. Le'Veon Bell is the seventh running back. Joe Mixon is the eighth running back. James Conner is the ninth running back.

What an interesting part of the draft that is when you're comparing those guys to some wide receivers. Yeah, fun. News and notes. Josh Jacobs, according to The Athletic, there's some growing sentiment that he might hold out at the start of training camp. I don't think we want that for a rookie, right?

No. It's not great. Just figure it out. Yeah, come on. Was it the offset language? It's not that hard to figure out. It's the Raiders. I don't think it was the offset language. Go to Roto World.

Then it must be the Raiders. There's a little thing there in Roto World. And the Buffalo News speculates that rookie tight end Dawson Knox could be the starting tight end for Knox in week one. Yeah. Did he go touchdownless last year or his entire college career? I think it was his whole career. Yeah, that's what I think. I know for sure he didn't have any last year.

He's a pretty athletic tight end, but zero touchdowns? Yikes. He's due. Okay, well, did we find out what the contract squabble is? Oh, no, I'm sorry. Come on, man. Come on, Jamie. Also, Eli Manning said he's not rushing into retirement,

so that's great news for everyone. He's not rushing anywhere. Let's see. There's a hang-up in the payment schedule of his signing bonus. You can't figure that out. You can't figure that out. Well, that's a cash issue for the Raiders. That's what that is.

Let's make it happen here. Let's do some fantasy combos. Which combo do you like better? This segment brought to you by the worst candy ever, combos. DeAndre Hopkins and Nick Chubb. Time out. Did you just call combos candy? Well.

Not even kind of candy. It's a snack. Snack, snack, snack. Couldn't think of the word. It's a tough word, snack. Like what the hell is going on with your taste buds? I had a fun-sized Snickers yesterday. I haven't had one of those.

It's so good. DeAndre Hopkins and Nick Chubb. I had some great candy the other day. Those little baby carrots in a bag. Wow. Amazing. Okay. DeAndre Hopkins and Nick Chubb or Melvin Gordon and Michael Thomas?

Hopkins and Chubb or Gordon and Thomas? This poll was so bad on Twitter that you had to amend it quickly to try to get people to vote in a different poll because it was so lopsided. Yeah, it's true. Hopkins and Michael Thomas. No, sorry. Johnson. So, okay.

No, Gordon and Michael Thomas. Snacks. Still on vacation too? Gordon and Michael Thomas had 73% of the vote. So I changed it to, okay, what if we make it David Johnson instead of Melvin Gordon? And now David Johnson and Michael Thomas versus DeAndre Hopkins and Nick Chubb, and still kind of a runaway. David Johnson and Thomas, 65% of the vote.

Yeah, I agree. I'm using Fantasy Pro's consensus rankings by the way to do these Twitter polls. I'm not just randomly picking names. And it's, you know, you're picking in the middle of the first round. Do you go with a running back? David Johnson or Melvin Gordon? Or do you

go with DeAndre Hopkins and try to get Nick Chubb in round two? I think most people seem to prefer hopefully Michael Thomas Falls to two. I think most people seem to prefer... Hopefully, Michael Thomas falls to you. I guess that's kind of the thing. Hopefully, an elite wide receiver falls to you. Right.

You're never going to get Michael Thomas at the seventh pick or eighth pick, I guess it would be, in round two. How often is he making it that far? What's the format? Yeah, I guess It doesn't matter. Just to let you know, in PPR his ADP is 9 for Thomas.

That's not realistic. I guess this must be non-PPR because he's 15th. Well, you're looking at... Rankings. I'm looking at rankings. In non-PPR, Michael Thomas is... I'm sorry, in half PPR, Michael Thomas is 10th. In non-PPR, his ADP is 12th.

Well, okay. I guess I could look at ADP instead of rankings. If you want, I guess, more realistic, you want Hopkins and Chubb is realistic. Yeah. And then you could probably get away with... Let's do this. Ready? You want to do David Johnson?

This is not realistic, though. Juju Smith-Schuster's ADP is 18th. No. No way. I got it. David Johnson and Travis Kelsey or Hopkins and Chubb? No, that's not realistic either. Of course it is.

It is based on ADP. Really? Kelsey in the late round two? Kelsey's falling. No, mid-round two. Mid-round two. Kelsey's falling. Sixth or seventh pick of round two.

So that's the new one. It's Kelsey and David Johnson or seventh pick of round two. So that's the new one. It's Kelsey and David Johnson or Hopkins and Chubb. That's not a PPR. I'll take Hopkins and Chubb. Yeah, in that scenario, I'd take Hopkins and Chubb. Dave? It's Gordon and Kelsey or David Johnson and Chubb? David Johnson.

I think I'll go David Johnson and Kelsey. Okay, let's do some less crappy fantasy combos. George Kittle and Brandon Cooks or Antonio Brown and Evan Ingram? I'm sorry, did you say less crappy? Well, like harder. Or more crappy. Harder.

I'll take Kittle and Cooks. Or more crappy. Harder. I'll take Kittle and Cooks. I will too. Agreed. Yes. Okay, which wide receiver would you have to substitute for Antonio Brown to make that combo? Like wide receiver plus Evan Ingram is better than Kittle and Cooks. Hopkins.

No. No, I would do it with Juju. Sure. It would have to be somebody after the elite. Evans? What about Savantia Adams? Evans, Hilton, Keenan Allen, A.J. Green, like that group. I'd probably do it with Evans.

I would do it with Evans as well. Okay, next one. Damian Williams and Alan Robinson? The other side. Nope, that side. This is gross. Or Adam Thielen and Lamar Miller? Damian Williams and Alan Robinson,

or Adam Thielen and Lamar Miller? I'll take Williams and Robinson. I would, too. I would see. Heath, what did you think about Ben Gretsch's, I want to say love, but enthusiasm for Alan Robinson? I thought it was partially warranted.

Ben stuck in 2015 again? When you look at the games that Robinson played, he did get a bigger target share. If he stays healthy, I think he's probably going to be, I'm not, I think Ben said top 20. If he plays 16 games, I would bet on him finishing the top 30, maybe 25. Okay. All right, last one.

Lukewarm. Deshaun Watson and Dante Pettis? Or Dak Prescott and Chris Godwin? Watson and Pettis for me. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Oh, how come? The quarterback.

Over Prescott and Godwin. Yeah. The quarterback difference is too large. I've got a 50-point difference between Watson and Prescott. And I've got a 20-point difference between Godwin and Pettis. Well, there you go. It's pretty easy. As much as I love Chris Godwin, he still has to prove it.

That's why projections are helpful, people. Not that Pettis doesn't also, but I mean, I just hate that Godwin's ADP has gotten so out of control. So what is the most exciting thing that you did over the 4th of July break? What was the most fun thing that you did? 4th of July break? Mine would be the day at the beach.

It was a blast. How do you enjoy sitting at the beach for 12 hours? Like, that is so boring. What are you talking about? Do you at least bring an umbrella or something to give you some shade? An umbrella, an enormous cooler. It was a lot of fun. There was live music on the beach. My parents were in town. All the kids

were there. It was a blast. Played in the water for hours on end. 12 hours? You spent 12 hours? Was it crowded? Oh, it was extremely crowded. But you stop noticing after beer six or seven. You don't even care. Okay, well that makes more sense.

I was at Disney for four days and I was thankfully relieved it was not crowded at all. Really? I would have thought that would have been a crowded weekend. I was expecting it. Maybe we did a good job of staying away from the crowd.

The only problem that we had crowd-wise was Animal Kingdom, which I was shocked because that's typically the least crowded park, but that was the only one where we had any sort of issues. But my kids were well-behaved, so that was fun. I think we went a week before you and SeaWorld, we did not wait more than 20 minutes for any ride um aquatic was not the same everyone

was there yeah well jamie what was the most exciting thing you did or most fun thing oh um i mean i just uh you know i'm at the point where as long as my kids are happy i'm i'm a happy camper so uh they had they had a great time. So everything that... Good. I'm not quite at that point yet. I still want to be independently happy. The best thing for me was I was in bed by, I think, 11 o'clock every night.

Hey, that's good for you. Yeah, I got sleep, which was fun. I would say I've been at that point and I'm well past it. I've gone past that point in my parenting. All right. I'm on the clock in the fishbowl. All right. It went McCaffrey, Elliott, Barkley, Kamara, Kelsey.

First five picks. Oh, tight end tiered scoring, right? Yes. You get an extra half point per catch and half point per first down. Wow. So with that, do you think Kelsey deserves to be that high of a pick? There's there's five point bonuses for every 50 yards a player gets rushing or receiving. So I think that really helps out the running backs. Mel, I have I have the five running backs are the only non quarterbacks scoring more points than Travis Kelsey.

So I've got him ahead of all the receivers. Now, I would do the same. It's a super flex league. And if Patrick Mahomes is there when I pick at nine, I'm going to have a hard time not taking him. Do you think there's a chance he makes it back to you in round two because you have that early round two pick? You never know in this league.

There will be 10 different leagues where it's like 20 quarterbacks gone by the end of round three. And you're just screwed if you didn't take one. Right. And there'll be leagues where Mahomes doesn't go to the second round probably. By the way, Jamie and Heath and Dave, they're all in different leagues, right? Yes. Yeah. And just play each other till the finals. We're going to talk

about another super flex. This is six point for touchdowns but minus four for interceptions. Minus six if it's returned to the house. Oh, that's fun. You get five points for every 300 yards passed. Most fun thing you did over the week? Definitely de-board the cruise liner.

That was amazing. If it's just over for the July weekend, I did nothing. I was worn out after a week in Vegas and four days on a cruise ship. Okay. Sorry, I don't have a great story to tell from 4th of July weekend, but

I can share that we saw Aerosmith in concert in Vegas. Whoa! They're not like a favorite band of mine or anything like that, but it was a great show. They are for me. I've seen them four times. I love them. They really put on a hell of a show. It might have been the best concert I've ever seen, and I've seen a bunch.

They are a great show. Too Bad Foreigner wasn't there, right, Adam? Oh, please. Or Bryan Adams. No, Aerosmith is a man's band. I love that band. Yeah, I exercised for the first time in a while. That's why there was a lot of 50-year-old women there going crazy every time Stephen Tyler galloped around the stage.

I am sore. You exercised? Yeah, I am sore. You exercise? Yeah, I'm sore. I'm actually really feeling it. This is a true story. I played Papa Shot against my 11-year-old nephew for about 20 minutes, and I am feeling it. Can we get a ruling? Is that exercise?

For me, it is. Exercise? For me, it is. 20 minutes straight of Papa Shot, I will say is exercise. You were taking turns, I assume. For me, it is. Also, 20 minutes straight of pop a shot, I will say. You were taking turns, I assume. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there were probably like three, four minute breaks in there. 10 minutes of pop a shot.

Also, before we take a break here, I just want to let Heath and Dave know what you missed. Some great life advice from Jamie Eisenberg. This was overheard on the podcast the other day. I would highly, highly recommend getting pedicure. I don't get them enough. So there you go, J.B. Eisenberg revealing a bit of his soul. He loves pedicures. I do.

And now I really want to get one. All right, we'll come right back after this break. Oh, no, you forgot the best part that we're doing as a group activity. Oh, yeah, that's right, the four of us. We're all sitting next to each other. You should make your Scott Fishbowl pick. I did. I took Melvin Gordon.

Melvin Gordon. There you go. Oh, well, I hope we helped you out earlier in the show. All right, let's take a quick break. And when we come back, more fantasy football talk. We'll talk about that Dynasty Superflex draft that we did, a startup Dynasty draft. When did the older guys go?

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cares first off if i had i wouldn't say it on the podcast like the dollar amount that i spent that would be an azer move no what i wouldn't do something like that uh i just i didn't donate that i guess that's an azer move which is really bad um but no he didn't quite do that but you you you were given two thousand dollars by the charity and you spent that on toys, right? Right. You have to distribute them across the country. Scott lives in Minnesota.

You can't spend $40,000 on toys in Minnesota. Maybe you could. Okay, great. So Superflex. I just want to clear that up. Heath is not as good of a person as I thought he was. Superflex time. So this is – Jamie, can you just go over the roster format?

Sure. It is – you start one quarterback, two running backs, three receivers, tight end, two flex spots of running back, wide receiver, tight end, and then one super flex, which of those same three positions, but also includes a quarterback and a defense. I did Heath the favor of not including a kicker. And then we have also, that's 11 starters. We also have 11 reserves, so it's 22 rounds. Right, and it's Dynasty, startup Dynasty.

It's a startup Dynasty as if you were building a Dynasty team from scratch. So we have a lot of people that are getting involved in Dynasty. For the most part, I'm assuming most of our listeners are already in current Dynasty leagues, but we also get a lot of first-time dynasty players, and this is a good indication of maybe how your team can look from the get-go. But really, it didn't seem to change much in the first round, other than the homes because it's super flex. I think what's going to end up happening in most startup dynasty leagues

is you still have to take the approach of the best player now, unless of course you're getting to a point of youth versus, you know, guy on, on the way out. Well, can I tell you what I was thinking about in this? Cause like I,

I didn't think necessarily that Melvin Gordon was going to fall to me at eight. Obviously he wouldn't in a non dynasty league, but you took Gordon at five. And I'm thinking like, man, if Gordon is still there because he's going into his fifth year, he's got some history. I took Gordon at five in a different draft. Melvin Gordon went 12th in his draft.

Yeah. Okay. I'm looking at... Jamie did not have the fifth pick. He took McCaffrey at two. I'm looking at the wrong did not have the fifth pick. He took McCaffrey at two. I'm looking at the wrong... The wrong Superflex League. All right, so ignore everything I said. So when did... Right, okay.

So I was thinking... I need vacation. Melvin Gordon went 12. Mahomes didn't go in the first round. Mahomes went in the second round. That's interesting, because I was just looking at a different Superflex League, and Mahomes went like 12 in the first round. Mahomes went in the second round. That's interesting because I was just looking at a different Superflex league and Mahomes went

like 12 picks earlier in that one. Yeah, so I had to choose. I was on the clock. I thought I had to make this decision. Joe Mixon versus Melvin Gordon. And that was one where I went with Mixon over Gordon. I think like in the first round and I'll let you read it.

We'll tell you if you're reading the wrong one again. I probably am. It was Todd Gurley. No. Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Ezekiel Elliott, Alvin Kamara, DeAndre Hopkins, Devante Adams, Odell Beckham, Juju Smith-Schuster, Joe Mixon, Michael Thomas, Dalvin Cook, Melvin Gordon. So I'll just say it for full disclosure. So I drafted for Chris, Chris Towers, who picked at seven. And I took McCaffrey at two for myself.

And then I had the choice for Chris of Beckham and Juju. And just to give you an example of where I was torn in the second part of the draft, I think Juju probably would have been a better pick. And Will Brinson, who picked eight, he said, I think if you remember the comment was like, Are you guys crazy? Juju is 22. Right. And you can make a strong argument that Juju should have been the number one receiver.

Yeah, I mean, you could make the argument that he should be the number one player, or maybe... I mean, right? Because people tend to favor wide receivers over running backs in Dynasty. You should. You should. I mean, it's hard to... And I think this is where startup versus established leagues are different. Because if this is

a startup Dynasty league, yes, this class in particular, Josh Jacobs, David Montgomery, maybe make a case for Daryl Henderson or Miles Sanders, you know, not necessarily in that order. But a startup dynasty league yes this class in particular josh jacobs david montgomery maybe make a case for daryl henderson or miles sanders you know not necessarily that order but there's not real one standout wide receiver like you can say marquise brown or metcalf or um you know i'm i was tripping over myself to get to paris campbell in our dynasty paris campbell nikhil harry is going to be the guy that probably is is the one taken. But there there's not necessarily one dominant receiver. And typically you're going to get just more longevity. And I'll make this case again because I think it's relevant.

Three years ago, I did a start of Dynasty League. My first pick, I think it was at four, was Mike Evans. In the second round, I took Jordan Howard. In the third round, I took Todd Gurley. And it was obviously a the third round I took Todd Gurley and it was obviously a great situation the fact that Gurley was coming off that bad rookie season that was with other analysts so you know you can say oh these people don't know what they're doing that this is you know 11 other people in the industry and then this schmuck um but I think the the thing is you fast forward three years later and Howard is maybe not startable. And Gurley, who knows?

Yeah. Well, can I ask you, so do you have other good running backs on that team? Are you able to make up for it? I have James White. I drafted Royce Freeman. That hasn't worked out, obviously. At least last year it didn't. And I end up with Miles Sanders this year.

So if you're doing a startup dynasty draft, should the first four picks be those top four running backs? I still think so. And Heath and I both had picks in the top four, and we did. Yeah. Right, so those top four running backs were the first four off the board. Hopkins, Adams...

I'm sorry, just to stop you right there. They're all young. They're all so young. Right, Adams. The one thing, I'm sorry, just to stop you right there. They're all young. Yeah. They're all so young. Right, but Gurley was young last year. I think McCaffrey and Elliott are 23. Yeah. Kamara, I think, is 22.

I took Gurley over Barkley with the number one pick of a Dynasty League last year. And obviously, major, major regrets. But, oh well. It's a little shocking that Todd Gurley's career... Hey, look, he might be great. He might be great. Hopefully he is. But it's possible that it's kind of a sudden downturn.

All right, so after those top four again, Hopkins, Adams, Beckham, Juju. Juju, the fourth wide receiver off the board. Then I took Mixon. Then Michael Thomas, Dalvin Cook. Dave wasn't in this draft because he was partying on a cruise ship. Dalvin Cook over Melvin Gordon.

Does Dalvin Cook deserve to be the 11th pick? I think that's a little high, yeah. But I would have taken Mike Evans. I would rather have Melvin, though, than Dalvin Cook. But I think a couple names that jump out that aren't in the first round that you're going to see in most drafts ADP-wise, probably three guys. David Johnson, who's 27, I believe. Yep.

I took him round two. Right. Julio, who's 30. Yep. And Le'Veon, who, again, we're not going to say take him in the first round, or at least I think we're not. But his ADP is, as you said, first round easily. All right, so let's talk about who our first two picks were.

Jamie had the second pick. You took McCaffrey and Kittle. Heath, you had the fourth pick. You took Kamara and Kelsey. All right, so you guys both went with a young tight end. I guess I, not to hog the spotlight here. Kelsey's not that young. No, he's like 28.

I think he might be older. He's 29. He's 29, yeah. He's young in terms of football mileage. Youngish. But yeah, he's older than you'd think. I took two running backs, which is risky. But Joe Mixon, and then I just couldn't pass up David Johnson. Yeah, he is older than you'd think. I took two running backs, which is risky.

But Joe Mixon, and then I just couldn't pass up David Johnson. 15th overall? 16th overall? I thought your team, which I don't know if we're going to get to our teams, but I thought your team had a good balance of youth and still very good to great current players. Well, thank you. Well, I love my third. I want to fast forward to my third round pick if we could, and then I'll let you guys talk about your teams a little bit.

But it's one of the most interesting picks. I took Tyreek Hill. So that was 33rd overall. It's a PPR league. It's a Dynasty league. Like, he might miss six, eight games this year or something. Who knows? He might not miss any more games after that.

Well, I think the thing that happened for you and people that are drafting now was the report of there's a possible contract extension still on the table for him. Right. If he leaves Kansas City, it's no telling what's going to happen to him just because of the uncertainty of where he goes. He's still going to be a great player. He's so good. Right, but is he a third-round pick? Yeah, I think so. If you knew he wasn't going to be suspended

or it was going to be a short suspension this year and the Chiefs were going to commit to him, it's a steal. The only thing I didn't like about you taking Tyreek Hill there was you, that I guess forced you to take Mikko Hardman in round eight. Yeah, which I thought was okay. But I agree. I mean, I did feel like I had to reach for Mikko Hardman. Because let's say there's a scenario where Tyreek Hill isn't on the Chiefs anymore after this season.

Well, I think taking Mikko Hardman in round eight is perfectly fine if you're speculating at that. He was the second wide receiver off the board in this draft. Rookie wide receiver off the board in this draft. That could pay off in a real big way for you, Adam. Right, I was fine with it. Because if Tyreek Hill changes teams and stays in the NFL,

you've got two short, fast, speedy playmakers. They could still be the two best receivers in Kansas City next year. Right, right. Yes, could be. So, yeah, I mean, it felt a little early just because I feel like I sort of started a run. Who was the first rookie wide receiver off the field? I think Gil Harry went around before that.

Round six. Yeah, he went like 15 picks before Hardman. And then I took Hardman, and by the time it got back to me in the next round, Paris Campbell, DK Metcalf were both off the board. They started to come off there. I don't know that I would have gotten Hardman in round. I probably would have, but I didn't want to risk it. Anyway, I won't hog the spotlight here. What else

stood out to you guys? Dave, you're just taking your first glance at it. Todd Gurley, by the way, went in the middle of round three, right after Karyon Johnson, right before Marlon Mack. Also, Leonard Fournette went ahead of Todd Gurley. I can't believe Kerryon went in round three. I would have thought

for sure he would have gone sooner, because he's real young. Yep. That was kind of... He went after DJ Moore. He went after Aaron Jones, Antonio Brown, Leonard Fournette. I took Aaron Jones, but they're a year apart. And so I took the security of the Packers offense over Kerrion.

But that was a decision I had to make. Well, how about Josh Jacobs, too? Josh Jacobs went 34th overall right after I took Tyreek Hill. That was a really tough call for me between Tyreek Hill and Josh Jacobs. I was surprised the Marlon Mack picked him. Adam, I think you could have gotten Hill in early round four. Maybe. See, I had already had two running backs at that point.

I had Mixon and David Johnson. So I think my takeaway is in a startup dynasty league, and I feel the same way in a redraft league, round three, four running backs look pretty good this year, and maybe it's easier to go wide receiver, wide receiver, guys. What do you think? Or wide receiver tight end. We're doing a draft today.

I think I'm picking ninth, if I'm not mistaken. My plan is to go receiver, receiver. Okay. Well, that's good to know. I was very happy that David Montgomery was there at 52. Yeah. It seemed too late. What did you think just in general about the rookies

you know like people were not really reaching okay 12 team league there is a super flex so keep that in mind but for only one wide receiver to come off the board one rookie wide receiver to come off the board in the first 84 picks

I think that's pretty noteworthy. Well, to tell you what I thought of the rookie wide receivers, I think eight out of ten picks that I made at one stretch in the draft were rookies. So I did not think they went early enough. But I took DK Metcalf at pick 100, Devo Samuel at 117, Damian Harris at 124, Miles Boykin at 148, Alexander Madison at 165, Dexter Williams at 189, Bruce Anderson at 213. It's just the thing with the rookie receivers,

it's not a great class. Yeah, I think there were a lot of potential number two, number three receivers. I agree. I don't think there necessarily was a number one in the class. Well, I think I've learned since the Beckham-Evans draft five years ago, really the guys who have been picked later have been better. The first-round draft picks at wide receiver have been really bad,

first-round NFL draft picks. They've been mostly busts. Michael Thomas, Juju Smith-Schuster, though, like Tyreek Hill, the guys who have gone later in the draft, they've been much better. So maybe this class will surprise us. Who knows? Oh, I think that's certainly there to happen. You know, I mean, you can look at the Cardinals, for example, taking three guys after round one, you know, with Isabella coming off the Cardinals, for example, taking three guys after round one,

with Isabella coming off the board first and then Butler and Keyshawn Johnson, they have the opportunity to revamp their entire receiving core with that group there. And I think that's the type of scenario. DK Metcalf, which everybody projected as a first-round pick, falling. He certainly has the opportunity in the offense that he's in to still be fantasy-relevant and potentially very good. And even Nikhil Harry, who was the last pick in the first round. It's not like there was a reach for him. So, question.

I brought this up to Heath off the air. I want to know what you think, Jamie, and get Dave's opinion as well. I feel like in this format, since you are starting a lot more guys, three receivers plus two flexes plus a super flex, I feel like tight end doesn't really matter that much. If you don't get an elite one, it's just like they just make up a smaller portion of your fantasy points.

So the position itself doesn't feel as valuable to me. And I was fine. As soon as I knew I wasn't getting one of the big three, and then maybe even Evan Ingram, OJ Howard, maybe the big six, we'll call it, I was fine waiting a really long time because I feel like this format with more players, with super flex, devalues tight end. So who did you get as your tight end? Jared Cook and Will Disley.

I thought you guys took it at a very good value. I remember writing it. Yeah, I thought that was one of those guys that you took that was just sitting there. I think with certain spots, this is the balance of win now

or hope to win now versus setting up your roster for the next few years. And if you're, like your team I think is built to win now, taking David Johnson in round two, Joe Mixon's clearly a star player that you got in round one. I think, you know, you took, I remember you took Edelman at a really good spot. You know, so Tyree Killiff, it pans out for you.

So you're in a situation where Jared Cook helps you win now. Yeah. 13th round, by the way. Huh? 13th round for Jared Cook. Nobody wanted him. Right. So then you just kind of, okay, now you know 2020,

that's a spot you need to address. And, you know, I don't really know the tight end pool for the draft class for 2020. Come on, Jamie. Get on it. Huh? Get on it, Jamie. Study those tight ends.

No, but, you know, like, you can, like, midway through the season, maybe try and get a Sternberger. Or if Dawson Knox is doing anything, you know, or not just blowing things away, you know, you can make a trade to try and get one of those guys and not have to overhaul your roster. What about the premise, though?

The premise, though, that more starting spots, more fantasy points in total, the tight end doesn't matter as much. I don't know. I think, again, if you still get one of those elite six guys, it's almost the same thing in seasonal. You're going to do kind of the same thing. If you miss on one of those,

I'll throw Hunter Henry in there, too, because I think he deserves it. But you miss on one of those, I'll throw Hunter Henry in there too because I think he deserves it. But you miss on one of those seven guys, then why would you rush to get anybody else anyway? Right. I guess I was kind of saying if you don't get – yeah. I just feel like – I'm trying to answer you the right way. But I don't think –

No, no, no. I think we're on the same page. I think you still want to get one of those top players because it's still a starting spot in your roster. I don't think it's necessarily watered down because there's other starting spots. But I do agree. I disagreed with tight end doesn't matter because there's half of them that do.

But if you don't get one of them, I agree, just wait. Dave, you want to weigh in or are we good? I agree. I think it's a good strategy to get one that you can win with now and one that you might be able to win with later. Sounds like that's what you did. Yeah. How do we like Will Disley?

Do we have dynasty hope for him? If he's healthy. Yeah, he's a sleeper for me this year. Don't they have a bunch of tight ends that they're just going to drive us crazy with? But he was their best one before he got hurt last year. I think the problem is he's just not healthy. They'll play two because they'll use one to block. Okay.

Was there something else I wanted to bring up here? Oh, yeah, the super flex aspect of it. What did you guys do at quarterback? Heath, what did you do at quarterback? I waited mostly. It was a little weird because I think the league figured out it was super flex when Mahomes was taken. If I remember correctly.

I was planning on Mahomes around too if he was still there. I don't know if you would have taken him. I probably would have. Although if he hadn't been taken right in front of me I wouldn't have remembered it was super flex so I probably wouldn't have. I waited

took Carson Wentz in the sixth round jamis winston in the eighth round i love that pairing two of my top 10 quarterbacks for this year and for the future in dynasty i took so i think i took the third or fourth quarterback i know it went mahomes and then watson watson went in the fourth round to you, Adam. Yeah, I was happy about that. And then I took Luck as the third quarterback off the board in round five. And then I also took your favorite player of all time, Jimmy Garoppolo, in round nine. Best pick of the draft.

I took Watson in round four, Mitchell Trubisky in round nine. Then your homer pick. I think I have a, oh, Daniel Jones. Yeah, I took Daniel Jones like super late, right? Yeah. You know, it's funny with Dynasty Leagues and quarterbacks, they have such long shelf lives. Like, does age really matter?

With quarterbacks? Yeah. I think Brady and Breeze and Roethlisberger and Rivers' age matters. I don't think the difference between 24 and 28 matters too much. Right, right. Yeah, I mean, like Matt Ryan. Is his value a lot different in the Dynasty League than it is in a seasonal league? No, but I think that's where you start to compare,

depending on your feelings on Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, you know those type of guys? Yeah, he's 34. So he's sneaky old, I guess, but he still might have five, six good years left in him, whereas Kyler Murray might have 15. You never know. All right.

Dave, you went to Vegas. I did. What were some of the interesting Vegas odds that you came back with? Well, let's skip over stuff like team totals and over-unders for wins, because I don't know if that really applies to fantasy. But it's interesting to get the perspective of the Caesars Entertainment Sportsbook

when it comes to players to lead the league in passing yards, rushing yards, and receiving yards. These are three different prop bets that they're offering with some pretty heady odds. Let's start with the leading league in passing yards. Who is the odds-on favorite to lead the NFL in passing yards in 2019, according to

Caesars Entertainment? Odds as of June 22, 2019. Wow. Mahomes? Mahomes is number one. Who's number two? I'm not going to cheat, but I know. Number two is surprising.

Jamie, you got a guess? Ben Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger's fourth at 12-1. Or sixth or so. Seventh or so. Just based on his history. Breeze? No.

Breeze is at 9-1. Matt Ryan, 11-2. So 5.5-1. To lead the NFL in passing yards. My favorite on that list was Jameis. Jameis is at 15-1. I think that that's pretty good. Wentz at 30-1 was the one I went with.

Twice the odds on Wentz as it is Winston. In Philadelphia's run game, I don't know how effective it's going to be. I know that Wentz is going to be where this offense flows through, and he's got some unbelievable weapons. Some other interesting ones. Again, this is leading the league in passing yards. Deshaun Watson at 40-1. Roethlisberger, Goff, they're both 12-1. Aaron Rodgers, 10-1. Phillip Rivers at 14-1, I thought was interesting. Baker Mayfield, everybody loves Baker. He's 7-1.

Okay, let's get our next category. One more for you, Adam. Eli Manning, 100-1. Do interception return yards count? Yeah. Okay, how about what else you got, rushing? Okay, leave the league in rushing yards. Who do you think is number one there?

Zeke. Zeke. Zeke, 2-1. Followed by Saquon at 6-1. Nick Chubb at 6-1. Oh, no, you can't take that, right? And Le'Veon Bell at 8-1. I wouldn't take that either.

Everybody else is in double digits, including Gurley at 10-1. Joe Mixon's at 14-1. I thought that was interesting. Chris Carson at 22-1. I think those odds are kind of appealing. If you're in the James Conner camp, you'll like to see him at 18-1. Derrick Henry, 12-1. David Johnson, 22-1.

Same as Melvin Gordon. Same as Sonny Michel. Dalvin Cook is 12-1. I thought that was mildly. I like that one, yeah. That's a hard one to really pick upsets in. I mean, I think Zeke has by far the... Where's Melvin Gordon?

Melvin Gordon, 22-1. How about these two? What? Josh Jacobs and David Montgomery. What do you think their odds are? Heath, no cheating. Jacob, 25-1 and 40-1. All right, respectively, 25-1 and 41.

Jamie, you got a call on Jacob Zimmel. What if I told you this? They have the same odds. 30-1. Adam? 40-1. 30-1. 50-1.

Whoa, how about that? Miles Sanders is also there. Ronald Jones also shares it at 50-1. Okay. And just for everybody else that's out there, Doug Martin, 100-1. If you're interested. But Melvin Gordon at 22-1 is where I'd put my money.

He's going to have to get more carries for getting an English. Where's Fournette? I was about to bring it. This was going to be the last one I brought up. Leonard Fournette is 15-1. That's not bad. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. What was Mixon? 14-1. Mixon would be my pick.

I did not take any of them. Hey, let me say something real quick about Melvin Gordon's carry per game because this didn't come up when we put him under a microscope. He didn't get that much work after he came back from his injury. But before his injury, he was averaging 175 carries for the season. Before the injury, 143 carries in nine games.

He was on pace for 254 carries, which would have been, other than Zeke, it would have been right up there with the leaders. He had 21 games with 20-plus touches over 2016 and 2017. That's out of 29 games. So 21 of 29 games with 20-plus touches over 2016 and 2017, that's out of 29 games. So 21 of 29 games with 20-plus touches.

Last year, six games with 20-plus touches out of 14, including the playoffs. It's the one thing that kind of makes me pause a little bit. But I think that if he hadn't have gotten hurt, which is going to be the whole bugaboo with Melvin Gordon anyway, if he hadn't gotten hurt, that number would be higher. Do the coaches trust him to stay healthy and give him a big workload? We will probably get the answer to that question within the first few weeks of the season. But that's a big number to me, though, that he was on pace for 254 carries, Melvin Gordon, before his injury.

Last year, I'll look at the leaders. It was Zeke had 304, and then second was 261 for Barkley. So 254 would have made him fifth, but really would have been right up there with number two, Saquon Barkley, at 261. Dave, continue, sir. This is to lead the league in receiving yards. Who's number one?

Julio. Hopkins. Julio is number one, 4-1. Hopkins at 11 to two. So five and a half to one. So he's second. Uh, and, and, and in the process of reading over these names, I'm going to give you the guy that you would run to the window to put money down on if you had a spare 10 bucks.

Uh, Antonio Brown Ross. No, uh, Antonio Brown, six to one Tyreek Hills on here at 10 to one Devante Adams. Mike Evans are eight to one Juju's at six to one Hill's on here at 10-1. Devontae Adams, Mike Evans are at 8-1. Juju's at 6-1. Michael Thomas is at 10-1. Odell is with DeAndre Hopkins at 11-2. T.Y. Hilton I thought was interesting at 15-1. He's led the league in receiving yards before.

Amari Cooper at 20-1 I think is an interesting call, especially after he thinks he's going to get 2,000 yards. I got a good one. You forgot. What's up? Got to go. Bye. What? You're leaving? Hold on. Wait. You got to get 2,000 yards. I got a good one. You forgot. What's up? Got to go. Bye. What?

You're leaving? Hold on. Wait. You got to hear this one, Jamie. No, I don't. Chris Godwin. What do you think he's at? 50 to 1.

200 to 1. That's not bad. I think everybody in this room would run to the window to put. What's Mike Evans at? Mike Evans is at 8 to 1. That's pretty high. 200 to 1 on Chris Godwin. Couldn't pass that up.

Other guys who are at 200-1 are Will Fuller, Tariq Cohen, and Eric Ebron. So three guys that you would never, ever, ever put 200-1 on. But Godwin, if something happens to Mike Evans in that offense? Yeah, yeah. I'm on the clock in the Scott Fish Bowl, and I'm very sad about all the players. All right. All right, let's hear it. We're going to finish the show with this.

Jamie, by the way, had to go do some HQ video, so check out CBS Sports HQ. McCaffrey, Elliott, Barkley, Kamara were the first four picks. Patrick Mahomes went number five. Travis Kelsey went number six. Deshaun Watson went number seven. So you're in one of those leagues where the quarterbacks are going to go. Went number seven. So you're in one of those leagues where the quarterbacks are going to go. Went number eight.

So you can get yourself David Johnson. What a sigh. Was that better than... It was basically the same. That was a hell of a Heath sigh right there. Did I talk over it too much for you to capture? That's okay. I don't need to capture all the Heath sighs. We have the one we need. We could have a whole

compilation of Heath size. So the real decision it's going to come down to for me is do I prefer... I've got Hopkins and Julio basically the same in this format. I know you. And I've got Ertz basically the same as well in terms of points. I do think that that positional scarcity may make me want to take Ertz. It's going to be very tough. Well, you only have like seven hours

to make the pick. Come on, make the pick right now. You have seven seconds. I have seven seconds? What do you mean? How about this? How about this for a cliffhanger? Make the pick on the podcast but don't hit the button on the computer. That way you have the chance to just let it marinate

for a few hours. And then when we come back, when's our next show? Wednesday? Tomorrow. Tuesday, even better. You'll tell us who you officially took. So give us the unofficial pick. If you had to take one right now, here we go. Heath Cummings, who's your pick? The unofficial pick is James Conner. Okay. And we'll see what he actually does. Boy, what a terrible unofficial pick. I hope he thinks about that for the rest of the day. That's charitable Heath Cummings, Dave Richard, who's back, Jamie, who already left.

I'm Adam Azer. Tomorrow, your email's mailbagging it up. And who should we put under the microscope tomorrow? I think we should put you under the microscope if you think combos are candy. If I think Papa Shot is exercise. And I read the wrong draft, and I misinterpreted Heath's charity thing. So this was definitely not my best show.

Nah. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.