Fantasy Football Today - 07/18: TE Breakouts; Regulators; D. Adams Analysis (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 18, 2018

Is Kyle Rudolph underrated or is he just a safe TE you settle for (1:40)? Do the mid-round TEs have similar upside to the Top 3 TEs (6:45)? Why does Dave like Ertz over Kelce in non-PPR (12:30)? ... T...alking breakout TEs (16:50)! Find out why Dave and Jamey are loving Trey Burton and why Heath is not quite as high, and find out which rookie TE Heath likes ... Putting Davante Adams under a microscope (27:45) as we discuss whether we view him like we viewed Jordy Nelson in his prime and if the concussions scare us. We also review Round 4 of ADP (37:13), listen to your voicemails (48:20) and get the Fantasy Regulators out (53:33) to settle league disputes ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Continuing tight end week here on Fantasy Football Today.
Starting point is 00:00:22 Yesterday we gave you some sleepers. Today we've got some breakout tight ends for you. We're also putting a wide receiver, a round two pick under the microscope. That would be Devontae Adams. And we welcome all of you. I am Adam Azer. Hello to Jamie Eisenberg. Hey, Jamie.
Starting point is 00:00:37 Hey, buddy. And Heath Cummings. Hi. Hi, Adam. And that Dave Richard guy. Hey, Dave. Wah! Oh, that was weird.
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Starting point is 00:01:12 It's tight. Shouldn't have asked. It's also kicker and DST week, which we're not covering on today's show. But tomorrow, a little kicker and DST action for you. We're actually recording on Tuesday afternoon. I'm going to publish this on Wednesday morning. So let's start with an email about a tight end. And then we have a voicemail about tight ends.
Starting point is 00:01:34 This is from Patrick from a suburb north of Fort Worth. Let's go with Des Moines, Iowa. Okay. Pretty far north. Where is the Kyle Rudolph love this year? Oh, man, I knew the intro. Come on. Oh, dear Drew, Michael, Miles, and Alan.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Cowboys receivers. Number one Cowboys receivers. Yeah. Only one of them was like a real number one. Miles Lawson was never their number one, right? He was for a couple years. He was when Romo first got started. Even ahead of Dez?
Starting point is 00:02:11 Dez wasn't there yet. Dez wasn't there yet? Okay. And Drew Pearson definitely was, right? Absolutely. It's weird that Dez isn't on here, but Alan Hearns is. Yeah, how about that? Tells you what Patrick from Des Moines, Iowa thinks about Dez.
Starting point is 00:02:24 Where's the Kyle Rudolph love? It feels odd to me not seeing it as how multiple times Kirk Cousins has featured his tight end. Actually, Patrick from Des Moines, we talked about this with Scott Fish. He's very high on Kyle Rudolph because of the Cousins connection. What do you guys think? Is there not enough Kyle Rudolph love in this world? He just isn't sexy. I think that's the problem is that he doesn't have the huge upside
Starting point is 00:02:51 that you may think of with maybe Trey Burton or Evan Ingram, the track record or at least the recent track record of Kelsey Ertz. He's kind of lumped together with Delaney Walker as just the guy that's good, but the ceiling might be a little bit capped i'll say something sexy wait never mind uh kyle rudolph i will draft ahead of evan ingram i agree i i just think i think like dave for example you you you think that the upside for ingram is better which is understandable given what you know he showed last year as a rookie so i for me, it's Burton. I think there's a high ceiling for him.
Starting point is 00:03:32 But I understand taking Rudolph out of those guys for sure because he's kind of safe. But again, do you want safe or do you want the higher ceiling? Yeah, you want to go for it, right? This is fantasy football. This isn't your stock portfolio. What is Kyle Rudolph without touchdowns? Jimmy Graham. Same thing. Okay, well.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Basically every other tight end. Not every other tight end. This is certainly Evan Ingram. Rudolph has had 60 or more yards in eight of his last 32 games. Well, how many times did Ingram get that? Oh, Ingram averaged about 50 yards per game, and he had over 60 yards. I want to say like five or six games. There's not a lot of tight ends that get a ton of yards.
Starting point is 00:04:10 No, that's why the big ones go early. Right. But if you start Rudolph in any given week, you're hoping he scores, not that he gives you 70 or 80 yards. Like at least Delaney Walker can do that sometimes. And I don't— Burton should be able to do that too. As much as Kirk kirk cousins has
Starting point is 00:04:25 featured his tight ends i mean jordan reed athletically is a different player than kyle rudolph when he's right and to an extent even though he's older vernon davis is too so those those two guys do a lot of different things than what kyle rudolph typically will do but um i mean rudolph is he's a very safe number one end. He's just not somebody I think you reach for. I think he's someone you settle for. And I think he'll absolutely be in the mix in the red zone. Remember John DiFilippo. I'm dropping DiFilippo's name every time we talk about the Vikings,
Starting point is 00:04:54 but he's coming from Philadelphia. They leaned on the tight end in the red zone. He might score in seven games. That's seven weeks where he'll be good for your fantasy team. I think those seven weeks will be great for your fantasy team given what tight ends typically do. It'll be anywhere from seven to 11 fantasy points. A lot of
Starting point is 00:05:13 one catch for one yard touchdowns. He's done that though. Sure. Okay, Kyle Rudolph was number six in non-PPR, number eight in PPR last year. The year before that he was number three in PPR, number two in non-PPR. He had in PPR last year. The year before that, he was number three in PPR, number two in non-PPR. He had 132 targets that season. He had 81 last season.
Starting point is 00:05:30 He played 16 games both years. So will he get 100 targets this year, Kyle Rudolph? Under. Then he's probably not going to be worth reaching for. Huh? He's not going to be worth getting excited about if he's not going to get 100 targets. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:05:50 The year before, when he was awesome, he was with a quarterback that really leaned on tight ends, as we've talked about with Bradford. It was a terrible offensive line, so Bradford had to get the ball out quick, which is why his completion percentage, I think, was what it was. And you had Stephon Diggs banged up. You had Adam Thielen really not a big part of the offense
Starting point is 00:06:08 until the end of the season. And so now you have those two guys hopefully playing 13-plus games and what should be a good receiver out of the backfield in Cook. Again, I think Rudolph is a top 10 tight end where he slots in in the top 10 is I guess a matter of preference cool alright moving on let's get our voicemail of the day another tight end question
Starting point is 00:06:32 our email address is fantasyfootball at cbsi.com our voicemail address is 954-689-3199 954-689-3199 here we go. Hey, guys. Chris from Palm Coast, Florida here. Quick question. You guys keep talking about the top three tight ends
Starting point is 00:06:54 and how there's a big drop-off and a couple of the other earlier shows were about taking one of those big three tight ends in the first four rounds. I've been doing some mocks and, you know, understanding my league. I've been able to get Greg Olson, Kyle Rudolph, one of those other maybe top seven tight ends that I think has just as much upside as the top three later on in round six,
Starting point is 00:07:18 seven, you know, sometimes maybe even later when people start taking quarterbacks early. But I don't really like wasting one of my – I'm not wasting. I don't really like taking one of those top three tight ends so early when I can get a better running back or receiver value versus a tight end spot, especially because, in my opinion, I think Greg Olsen, Kyle Rudolph, those guys can perform just as well as the Crocs, those guys up there. So love the feedback.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Just want to get your thoughts on that. More tight end talk. Appreciate it, guys. Yeah, that is what stands out. He says they have just as much upside, those mid-round. He specifically talked about Olsen and Rudolph, and he said that those mid-round guys have just as much upside as the top three. And, look, Kyle Rudolph was a top three tight end two years ago.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Greg Olsen was a top three tight end three years ago. Greg Olson was a top three tight end three years ago. And he had a really good year. He had 1,100 yards and seven touchdowns. But none of us really feel that way, right? Do we think that those mid-round picks have as much upside as the top three? I think Greg Olson's upside and Kyle Rudolph's upside are probably in two different places. But, yeah, I think Greg Olson has the upside. And actually, I'm writing about something today about the upside of those mid-range
Starting point is 00:08:30 tight ends. And I do think Greg Olson has top three upside. But it's not just about what is the number that is their upside. It's also about how likely are they to reach that upside. Ertz, Kelsey, and Gronk are more likely to reach that upside than Olson is. The thing with Ertz, which is interesting, is he's never been a touchdown guy prior to last year. You know, it was always four touchdowns was kind of where he lived.
Starting point is 00:08:51 And then last year made the jump to eight. Kelsey too, right? Kelsey was four or five. Four or five. Kelsey's been there for two years now, right? I wasn't sure. I know he had eight last year. He's been there a year longer than the stats actually say because he missed,
Starting point is 00:09:04 I think it was his rookie year. Okay, sorry. No, no, but his last two years, I think he's been six or more, right? No. His touchdown totals are 5-5-4-8. And Ertz is 4-3-2-4-8. But 2016, he had 1,100 yards receiving, so that kind of makes up for a lack of touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Absolutely. I think with Ertz, if he loses his touchdowns, which I know is a big point of contention with you, Heath, where Carson Wentz will be, if those touchdowns do go away for the Eagles in their passing game, then it would not be a surprise if Olsen's better than Ertz. And with Gronkowski, Gronkowski in the regular season, he had like three touchdowns in eight games two years ago,
Starting point is 00:09:44 and he had eight touchdowns last year. So I don't want to talk about all that today. We have a tight end preview coming up in a few weeks. But it is kind of interesting that he scored 11 touchdowns in 22 games over his last two regular seasons. That's an eight touchdown pace. That does not give him the separation
Starting point is 00:10:00 Gronkowski this is from the rest of the pack. However, Tom Brady was suspended for a couple of those games He's playing a little hurt I think he was huge in the playoffs in terms of touchdowns Except for maybe the Jacksonville game when he got hurt This past time this last season
Starting point is 00:10:16 So I mean like I think Gronkowski Separates himself from the pack guys because I expect 10 to 12 touchdowns And that's the only guy I can say that for we uh we just finished a mock draft and i was having a conversation with will brinson who's in the draft and he said doesn't it feel a little bit early where kelsey and urts went and kelsey went in toward the back end of round two which is typically where he's going anywhere from the back end around to be in the is typically where he's going, anywhere from the back end of round two being around three,
Starting point is 00:10:46 and Ertz when I think in the middle of round three. And if you are so inclined to wait on that next group of guys, which is going to be Olsen, Graham, Ingram, Walker, Rudolph, and probably Burton, then wait. Yeah. Because you never know which of those guys can be there. Now it probably behooves you to try and take one of those guys at least,
Starting point is 00:11:07 but you could also take it a step further if you want to and kind of play tight end roulette. Do you guys sort of agree with this? I don't want to give away our whole tight end preview, but I'm sure we'll have new listeners at that point. We'll have new thoughts. You can't win a fantasy football league without good running backs. You can't win a fantasy football league without good running backs. You can't win a fantasy football league without good wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:11:28 You can win a fantasy football league just sort of getting by a tight end. Agree or disagree? Agree. It makes it easier, though, if you have a good one. Yeah, I agree with you because running backs and wide receivers are two positions. I think you can win a fantasy football league piecing together your number three receiver or even your number two running back. I don't think you can do it with two bad running backs. I think you can do it piecing together your number two receiver.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Yeah. Just given how number two receiver just doesn't vary in points very much from number three receivers. Those guys are all kind of in the same boat. They're only three, four fantasy points per week separating them, which is weird. You'd think it would be higher than that. You can also win a league without a great tight end. But what you really need to win a league is to get somebody off waivers
Starting point is 00:12:16 who blows up. And if you do that at tight end, that just makes your team all the stronger. Sure. Yeah, or a late-round draft pick, something like that. So we gave you some sleepers yesterday. How about some breakouts today? And I have some rankings questions for you. You know, why don't we do those rankings questions right now?
Starting point is 00:12:33 Ranking question number one, why does Dave have Zach Ertz ahead of Travis Kelsey in a non-PPR league? He's got Kelsey second and Ertz third in PPR, but he has Ertz ahead of Kelsey behind Gronkowski in non-PPR. Dave, explain yourself. I just think that there's room for Ertz to improve on his numbers from last year. Remember, he put up those numbers in 14 games, and I think he's got a chance to topple 120 targets.
Starting point is 00:12:59 And Philadelphia didn't add Sammy Watkins to their receiving core. Kansas City did. Kansas City also made a change of quarterback. I think Mahomes could be a little more aggressive downfield even than Alex Smith was last year. I think that's in the cards for Kansas City. It's part of what makes Mahomes so exciting in
Starting point is 00:13:15 2018. I'm a little worried that Travis Kelsey's numbers could fade just a little bit and Ertz's could go up just a little bit. In non-Pppr i would take urts ahead of kelsey but in ppr i still have kelsey ahead of her it's funny because obviously sammy walken's pedigree is better than what the eagles added but getting sproles back we've never seen urts and sproles coexist together to the level that urts showed last year because sproles
Starting point is 00:13:42 got hurt early in season and mike wallace i think is an upgrade on Torrey Smith. I think that remains to be seen, but I would view it that way. So I would almost think that the production of those two guys to what the relationship with Ertz is, is worse than the relationship of Watkins to Kelsey. Now the quarterback change obviously has something to do with it. We'll see how Mahomes translates to running this offense. But I just think that what those two guys for Philadelphia will take away from Ertz is worse than what Watkins will take away because Watkins really hasn't done much outside of that second season yet. Mark it down.
Starting point is 00:14:18 First time that Darren Sproles and Mike Wallace are factors that would take away numbers from another player in fantasy football. To me, I think the Philadelphia running backs are all kind of going to take away from each other. They're all going to have numbers of their own. So basically what you're saying is Sproles and Wallace aren't factors at all? No, I didn't say that, but they're not going to be factors compared to Sammy Watkins, Jamie? Those two guys? Sammy Watkins will have better numbers than Wallace and Sproles combined, at least receiving numbers.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Don't want to take away the rushing numbers. Yeah, they will. Okay. If you believe that, fine, but it's not true. I do agree that Wallace is an upgrade on Torrey Smith because Wallace can actually catch a ball farther than 15 yards downfield. One other thing. If Alshon Jeffrey is not ready for Week 1,
Starting point is 00:15:01 if Alshon Jeffrey misses significant time, that's a big boost to Zach Ertz. And we'll see if Carson Wentz is ready for week one, too. I think this is a pretty good bet. I was just looking to see what my projections were for Darren Sproles and Mike Wallace, and it was 975 yards, and I've got Sammy Watkins at 947, so I think that's...
Starting point is 00:15:18 How many touchdowns? Receiving only, receiving only. Seven and five. Seven for Sammy? I'll take the under on those yards for Sammy. There's one other thing, though. That's pretty aggressive for Sammy. In this argument, it's not just Sproles and Wallace.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Sproles plus Wallace. Don't we have to subtract Torrey Smith from there, too? Because he's replacing Torrey Smith, but Ertz existed with Torrey Smith last year. Well, only if you subtract Albert Wilson. Okay, fine. Albert Wilson's probably better than Torrey Smith. All right, let's do one more rankings question. Heath, Austin Hooper, you've got him in your top.
Starting point is 00:15:57 You've got him 14th in non-PPR, 16th in PPR. That's a lot higher than Dave and Jamie on Austin Hooper. Yeah, and I saw that in the notes, and I was like, oh, yay. I get to defend Austin Hooper. Let me get excited about saying something good about Austin Hooper. I think Hooper, like most of the Falcons' offense, had a little bit of bad luck in terms of red zone production last year. I wouldn't be surprised.
Starting point is 00:16:20 In fact, kind of expect him to get more in the five-touchdown range, somewhere between 500 and 600 yards. That slots in as a number two tight end. Okay, works for me. Austin Hoopa. Time now for our fantasy profile presented by Buffalo Wild Wings. We'll continue to talk about tight ends, then we'll take a little break and put Devonta Adams under a microscope. We've got some news and notes from around the NFL. We'll look at round four of average draft position on fantasy pros and half PPR. Yesterday we did round three. But right now, time for our fantasy profile. It's, once again, presented by Buffalo Wild Wings.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Profiling an underrated fantasy football player. Listeners, get to know these guys. They could be the key to winning your season. And, again, we have three for you. Actually, we have two because we have a shared breakout. Dave and Jamie have Trey Burton as a breakout. Heath goes a little bit deeper with Ravens rookie tight end Hayden Hurst. But yeah, there's a lot of industry excitement about Trey Burton.
Starting point is 00:17:15 So, Damie, kick it off with Trey Burton, Bears tight end. I think he's going to work very well in that role that Travis Kelsey has been in for the past couple of years with Kansas City. Kelsey in Kansas City, as you know, lines up all over the field, isn't your traditional tight end. And Matt Nagy was very familiar with working with him there. Nagy now the head coach of the Chicago Bears. Pick Trey Burton in free agency.
Starting point is 00:17:45 And Burton is going to be the guy who will probably play the slot more often than anything else on the field. I don't think he's going to leave the field very often for Chicago. In limited playing time last year in Philadelphia, which is a similar scheme, both came from Andy Reid's playbook, he scored five touchdowns. I just think that he's going to be a mismatch For everyone I love what the offense Could look like for Chicago
Starting point is 00:18:09 Kind of a mix of West Coast and spread stuff And I think that'll really boost Trey Burton He's going to get a career high in targets, catches, yards That's easy stuff for him because his highs Already aren't that high But I think he can get close to eight touchdowns I'm taking him around six.
Starting point is 00:18:26 I think he's going to be one of the better tight ends in fantasy this year. Okay. So, Jamie, anything to add on Trey Burton? No, he's a top five guy for me. I would take him over Graham, over Ingram, over Rudolph, over Walker. I just have orange and blue rose colored glasses. He's a talented player. I don't know. You watched
Starting point is 00:18:48 him more than I did, Jamie, but he reminded me the way they used him a little bit, kind of like Aaron Hernandez, both at the University of Florida. Yeah, I mean, he can clearly throw the ball. He's a corner quarterback. He's versatile. They can line him up with Adam Shaheen.
Starting point is 00:19:04 A lot of people ask us about that. Why would they draft Shaheen so high last year? Obviously, different coaching staff. To me, it's not so much about what Burton is capable of. It's what Trubisky is capable of in getting Burton to the level I expect him to be at because I think the scheme will be there for him. The offense is in place for him. The role is there for him. The offense is in place for him. The role is there for him.
Starting point is 00:19:27 We've seen him featured every time Zach Ertz was hurt, and he's performed well fantasy-wise. I think the Eagles obviously value him. They value that second tight end, which is why they spent the pick on Dallas Cotter. But Burton, I think, has the potential to be what Michael Turner was when he left the Chargers to go to Atlanta, what Wes Welker was when he left the Dolphins to go to the Patriots. I like these kind of random references.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Yeah, it's the guy that was in a secondary role that finally got featured and became a star, Emmanuel Sanders, when he left Pittsburgh to go to Denver. Those type of players, I think Burton is one of those guys. I know I may be overvaluing him and getting too excited about him, but I just think that if you're the definition of a breakout, he fits that to a tee. That's what we're talking about is how high is too high for Trey Burton. Because in the draft that we just did,
Starting point is 00:20:28 we literally completed it about a half hour ago. And it seemed like we were going to complete it about an hour ago, but man, things got very slow around round 12, Brinson. Trey Burton, Dave, you did take him. You took him in round 7, in the middle of round 7, in a 12-team league. Stole him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:43 What pick was that? That would be like 78 or something like that? I'll tell you exactly what it was, Adam, because that's what I'm here to do is to tell you things that you should already know. 79th overall. And on Fantasy Pros, Trey Burton is low. He's the 10th tight end off the board. I'm looking, I think, at half PPR. And he's 97th or as a standard. tight end off the board. I'm looking, I think, at half PPR. And he's 97th, or as a standard.
Starting point is 00:21:08 97th off the board. The standard scoring, non-PPR. So, Heath, you're lower than Dave and Jamie on Burton. I think you have him 9th. Dave and Jamie have him, I think, 6th and 5th, respectively. How early would you pull the trigger on Trey Burton? I mean, I would not take him before Olsen, Graham, Rudolph, Walker, or Ingram. respectively, how early would you pull the trigger on Trey Burton? I mean, I would not take him before Olsen, Graham, Rudolph, Walker, or Ingram.
Starting point is 00:21:32 I don't disagree that he has upside to go that high. There's just also a lot of unknown. We are projecting a lot of success on Mitchell Trubisky. And he was terrible last year in a terrible situation, and I don't want to hold that against him but there's also still a decent chance that he's just not as good as we're all hoping he's going to be in this new system okay i feel like they're making this system for him like well that's not true i mean this is matt nagy system no no they're adding rpos and spread concepts that he ran in college that's not part of what Matt Nagy came up doing.
Starting point is 00:22:07 He knows about it, but Matt Nagy comes from the West Coast. Well, that's the thing. Helfrich basically knows the system that Trubisky ran in college, and they're going to weave the two together. And it may work beautifully. There is still a little bit of hoping to go with the Bears' offense. Yeah, it makes sense. But it feels very similar to the Rams.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Same situation. Quarterback drafted early. Terrible system. All of a sudden, an offensive-minded coach comes in. Oh, we saw two terrible rookie quarterbacks be good last year. Carson Wentz was awful as a rookie. Yeah, it's a good call. And they gave him weapons, similar to what they did to Trubisky.
Starting point is 00:22:43 I'm watching Trey Burton's college highlights. I mean, he ran one in the Wildcat formation. He's returning a punt right now. If you haven't really seen Trey Burton, he's a really good athlete. I don't think they're going to have him return punts. No, I'm just saying, they used him. They used him. Tight ends don't get used that way.
Starting point is 00:23:03 That's my point. All right, Heath, your tight end breakout is hayden hurst for the baltimore ravens and i'd like to show you some tape of his from college but it was black and white back then uh no i am very excited about hayden hurst i was a little bit excited when he got drafted by the ravens it's just they spent a first round pick on him and they throw the ball to their tight ends so often. 135 targets last year, 158 targets the year before, and then all they've done this whole summer is gush about him. He was way ahead of schedule at their OTAs. He's talking about the rapport he's building with both Flacco and Lamar Jackson because I think he's probably hoping for the same thing we all are, but I think there's a chance that he just steps in,
Starting point is 00:23:47 and it's kind of a situation like Evan Ingram last year where he just gets a ton of targets for a rookie tight end. And I kind of like the fact that he's older. I think the fact that he's 25 years old may help him handle his rookie year as a tight end better than 21- or 22-year-olds do. How many touchdowns did he have in college? Three or four or something. It was weird. He made a lot
Starting point is 00:24:06 of great plays, but... He's athletic. Yeah. Yeah, just for an old guy. Legitimately, he's 24. Do you worry about Mark Andrews, though, and what the role he'll play is? I worry about it a little bit, but they took him, what, two rounds after they took Hayden Hurst, and I've seen more
Starting point is 00:24:22 buzz around Hurst. I assume they took the guy in the first round that they value more as a playmaker. I don't think they took Hayden Hurst, and I've seen more buzz around Hurst, I assume they took the guy in the first round that they value more as a playmaker. I don't think they took him in the first round because they thought he was a great blocker, because I don't know that he is a very good blocker. Oh, he's throwing a pass. They probably have them both rated high. He just threw a pass in his college highlight reel. Hayden Hurst?
Starting point is 00:24:35 Hayden Hurst. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, he's an athlete. Get excited, Adam. He's a former baseball player. He's a former baseball player. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:24:42 So he's got an R about him. I'm going to watch this one last play. It's a fourth down and six. They, okay. So he's got an arm on him. I'm going to watch this one last play. It's a fourth down and six. They need it. They're home against Georgia. Oh, he hit him over the middle. He's still going.
Starting point is 00:24:52 He's still going. He broke like three. Oh, okay. All right, I'm in. I am in. Hayden Hurst, old man Hurst. You've got him 11th. You can get him with one of your last three picks on draft day. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:01 As of now. Once headlines start rolling in about how great he is in training camp, then that'll change. I don't imagine he gets too high. The rookie tight end stink still. It's mostly true. Rookie tight ends usually do stink.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Who do the Ravens have week one? Buffalo. That's not a bad streaming matchup. It's not great, but it's not bad. All right. That is our fantasy profile presented by Buffalo Wild Wings. Trey Burton, little Hayden Hurst love. I didn't mean to take away from what Heath was saying about Hurst.
Starting point is 00:25:34 They usually do stink. That's good because that will drive his value down. People won't really want to buy in, but we're talking about a team that does feature the tight end quite a bit, as Heath outlined. Brandon Cook signed a five-year contract extension, guys. What do you think? Does that matter at all?
Starting point is 00:25:51 Well, he's set for life now, so it matters to him. I would guess it matters to him, yes. It matters to me a little bit. They're committed to him, you know? It's important. Wait, I thought when guys were motivated when they were in their contract year, so once they got their contract, they wouldn't be as motivated anymore. That might be true.
Starting point is 00:26:09 But just comparing this to the Sammy Watkins situation where he was a bust for the Rams, I don't know. It seems like this has a much better chance of succeeding. Well, I hope they give him more targets than Sammy got. Sammy got 70 targets and scored a lot of touchdowns. I don't think I blame the Sammy being a bust on Sammy last year. I agree. He was pretty great when they threw him the ball.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Whatever it is, I wasn't blaming it on him. I'm saying this has a better chance of succeeding, primarily because it didn't take place in training camp, the trade. Their matchups are brutal for what Cooks is going to face as number one cornerbacks. Absolutely miserable.
Starting point is 00:26:48 He's going to take the top off. This is going to be his arrival is good news for Woods and Kopp. Yeah, I still think Cooks is the third best fantasy receiver for the Rams. Le'Veon Bell is expected to skip training camp but report for the beginning of the season. And that's good. The Saints wide receiver Cameron Meredith hopes to be cleared for training camp, but report for the beginning of the season. And that's good. The Saints wide receiver Cameron Meredith hopes to be cleared for training camp as he recovers from a knee injury.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Do you guys find yourself drafting Cam Meredith? Late. No, I haven't. I've drafted Ted Ginn. He did get drafted in our draft. He went late in the 12th round of a 12-team league, so about 140th overall, and then I took Tyrell Williams with the next pick. I was surprised Heath didn't take Tyrell Williams earlier.
Starting point is 00:27:32 You like him. Yeah, I went receiver early in that draft, so I was spending my late picks on other things. Like Hayden Hurst, who you took in that same round. Yes. Rob Gronkowski will not hold out, according to Adam Schefter, not miss training camp. And those are your news and notes.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Let's put a second round pick under the microscope. We have done first round picks and second round picks. Gurley, Bell, Zeke, Johnson, Gordon, Barkley, Hunt, Fournette, Hopkins, Brown, Beckham, Julio, Thomas, Green, Keenanow, and Mike Evans. And now the guy who was the number 13 wide receiver in non-PPR, number 14 in PPR, here is Devontae Adams. He had 74 catches for 885 yards and 10 touchdowns in 14 games last year. He obviously only had a chunk of them with Aaron Rodgers.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Interestingly enough, guys, Devontae Adams averaged something like 9 more yards per game without, oh, 11 more yards per game without— oh, 11 more yards per game without Aaron Rodgers than he did with Aaron Rodgers. Your thoughts? I just think it's a testament to Adams that he did that. He's really turned out to be a very fine NFL receiver, and he's worthy of being called the number one guy in Green Bay. If he can still put up good numbers with Brett Hundley,
Starting point is 00:28:46 then that just tells you how good of a receiver he is. Yeah. So as I outlined on a show last week, or I think it was the one that aired on Monday that we recorded on Friday, Jordy Nelson, in his last two healthy seasons with Aaron Rodgers, before last year, was a top three wide receiver and would have been number one in 2014. Whenever Aaron Rodgers missed all that time, based on the eight games they played together, Nelson was amazing.
Starting point is 00:29:15 That was 2013. Do you guys value Devontae Adams the way you valued Jordy Nelson? I'm not ready to say Devontae Adams is peak Jordy Nelson yet. Jamie, Dave? I don't think they're exactly the same type of player. I'm hoping Devontae Adams masters the back shoulder fade. Which can be taught, which is a good thing. And touchdowns have really helped him.
Starting point is 00:29:44 He hasn't had a 1 000 yard season yet he's had 22 touchdowns in his last 30 games about a 62 and a half percent catch rate which is really good i don't see who else is going to be that number one guy for green bay and aaron rogers is our number one fantasy quarterback or at least mine and i still believe that this packers offense is going to have to throw quite a bit so volume is in his favor catch rates in his favor the yard should come to play come into play and double digit touchdowns each of the last two seasons tells you everything you need to know about him he actually feels safe to me and i also like that i think i have this right the packers have had a top 12 fantasy receiver in four of the last five seasons.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Oh, they've had multiple in a couple of those seasons. I think it's only one of them. Only one. No, two. I'm almost positive. Nelson and Cobb one year, Nelson and Adams two years ago. All right, so twice. Yeah, I can double check.
Starting point is 00:30:43 No, I'm double checking right now. It is true. 2014, Nelson and Cobb were both top seven. 2016, Nelson and Adams were both top nine. And they do that without a, you know, it's not like Rodgers throws the ball a ton. He's just so good. So let's look at where you guys have Devontae Adams in your rankings. Jamie has Adams
Starting point is 00:31:05 eighth in both non-PPR and PPR at wide receiver. Dave has Adams sixth in non-PPR and eighth in PPR. And Heath has Adams ninth in both formats. So yeah, why not Adams over
Starting point is 00:31:21 AJ Green? Let me just go there. I like Green's track record. If the touchdowns decline a little bit for Adams, he will not produce what A.J. Green can do, catches and yards-wise. He's never produced like A.J. Green. But do we know that? Because we've never really seen him.
Starting point is 00:31:40 We've never seen him be the number one guy. We saw it for one game. One game this year, he had about 100 yards and a touchdown. Week two, Jordy Nelson got hurt. He played like six snaps. Devontae Adams had a massive game. We haven't seen this opportunity for him. No, but we're projecting it.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Yeah, yeah. So you don't think he's... But we've seen it for several years from Green. So you don't think he's like a 1,400-yard guy? No. No, but Green can be. Right. Okay, and one other thing. I mean, this guy, he suffered two concussions last year and one the year before. It's a huge deal for Devontae Adams. Do you guys factor that in?
Starting point is 00:32:15 No. No? I think almost every player in the NFL is one bad concussion away from not playing for half or the rest of the season. I wouldn't go that far as half or the rest of the season. They're all injury risk. Every player is an injury risk. I just remember how we used to treat Jordan Cameron. Well, I mean,
Starting point is 00:32:35 he was him and Austin Colley. Those guys were just... You knew that bad things were coming. Right. Okay. That's Devontae Adams under a Those guys were just, you know. You knew that bad things were coming. Right, right. Okay. All right.
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Starting point is 00:33:40 And a side of ranch. It's just amazing. Do you ever get the potato wedges? I have. I don't like the potato wedges? I have. I don't like them as much as the buffalo chips. Also, I believe they have fried mushrooms and fried pickles on their happy hour menu. Oh, man. Both delicious.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Yeah, mushrooms are just amazing. You want to hear a great food take? I don't know if I've said this before. None of you just said mushrooms are amazing. This one you won't disagree with. Nobody could possibly disagree with this. And I apologize if I've said this. But the food that gains the most value when it goes from raw to cooked is onions. No food gains more flavor value or food value than onions going from raw to cooked.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Oh, meat. Yeah, I think meat probably does. All right. Aside from the ones that – Pasta. The food that you can actually eat either way. Meat. That's a good one. But like onions, I don't want anything to do with them if they're not cooked.
Starting point is 00:34:37 If they're cooked, I want everything to be cooked. Oh, I hate them when they're cooked. Right? They're terrible. But who doesn't like a nice sauteed onion, a grilled onion? Caramelized onions. Right? The best.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Then again, I don't eat raw meat either. So this is a tough call. Finally, something that seems like you guys agree with me on. Do you see my top three action movies list? No, I try to avoid you as much as possible. I had to block you on Twitter because you kept blowing my mentions up by replying to You did not block me on Twitter. all of our tweets at the same time at 11.30 at night. So my phone just beep, beep.
Starting point is 00:35:11 Without even thinking. Oh, what? Turn your notifications off. Are you kidding? That's so easy. Without even thinking, top three action movies, go. Top three action movies? Yeah, ever.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Die Hard? Uh-huh. Love Die Hard. Love Fighthuh. Love Die Hard. Love Fight Club. Not an action... I don't think Fight Club's an action movie. Rambo? Rambo.
Starting point is 00:35:33 I got that. Hero or Mine, just to give you guys some help. One, Terminator 2. Two, Die Hard. Three, Predator. Last action hero. Predator. But I think I might replace it with Bad Boys.
Starting point is 00:35:45 What? Yeah, Bad Boys. What? Yeah, Bad Boys is awesome, dude. It's awesome. It's a good movie, but it's not one of the best action movies of all time. I might like Black Panther more than all of those. No, comic book movies don't count. What about Star Wars? Why?
Starting point is 00:35:57 They're a different genre. They're a different genre. What about Rogue One? See, I don't think... Rogue One, yeah, Rogue One might belong. I don't think... That's a great action movie. I don't think sci-fi movies count either, really.
Starting point is 00:36:06 That's not really sci-fi. What is Predator? Can you give us a definition? Isn't Terminator 2 sci-fi? There's a bulldog in it from the future. But it's also... That's a great point. But it's also an art movie.
Starting point is 00:36:21 I'll let sci-fi in. The one that kept getting votes was Aliens, which I've actually never seen. But it didn't seem like it fit the genre of an action flick, but I've never seen it. You've never seen Aliens, the second one? No, I've never seen the second one. I saw the first. What about Raiders of the Lost Ark? No, Adventure movie.
Starting point is 00:36:39 It doesn't count. All right, let's look at ADP. Here's a take you'll agree with me. The category we can agree on, but the take will agree with you. look at ADP. Here's a take you'll agree with me. The category we can agree on, but the take we'll agree with you. Here's the ADP and half PPR round four. We have – oh, I forgot to mention who's coming on the show later. Total – oh, wow. And I screwed up the intro to regulators.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Fantasy regulators are coming up later. But right now, let's look at ADP. 37 through 48 in average draft position. Kenyon Drake. We'll do it four at a time. Kenyon Drake, Amari Cooper, Larry Fitzgerald, Deshaun Watson, the number two quarterback off the board. He is in early round four. Kenyon Drake, Amari Cooper, Larry Fitzgerald, Deshaun Watson, the number two quarterback off the board. He is in early round four.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Kenyon Drake, Amari Cooper, Larry Fitzgerald, Deshaun Watson. React. There are some people that just have to have Deshaun Watson on their fantasy team. This is when you have to take him. No. If you have to have him. No. You can take him in the fifth. Oh, I'm not saying you should take him in the fourth.
Starting point is 00:37:41 But if you have to have him, this is not analyst advocated round four is it i'm gonna say that like deshaun watson as the number two quarterback off the board i feel the same way as i do about trey burton as a number five tight end deshaun watson has enough upside to be the number one quarterback easily yeah he was on his way there last year. I just can't take him over that group of quarterbacks. I can't take him over Brady. No. I've got Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Watson. I think Drake is – I drafted him today at the end of the third round
Starting point is 00:38:17 in our non-PPR draft, and I love it, and I'm terrified at the same time. I really love Kenyon Drake, but I heard from someone that I trust that Frank Gore is going to be much more of a factor than we anticipated. Oh, no. And Kalen Balazs is also going to take away touches. There's a very strong school of thought that Frank Gore will actually split carries evenly with Drake and that Adam Gase will get Drake his touches in the passing game. Oh, I thought you were going to say
Starting point is 00:38:47 Adam Gase will get fired. That could happen. It seems likely. Based on this report. It's like he forgot what happened to Drake last year. Terrible idea. Kenyon Drake was very good last year, but he's never
Starting point is 00:39:04 been a starter. He was a backup in college in Alabama. He was a backup his first year and a half in the NFL. And even when Jay Ajayi was frustrated, we had this frustrating situation of Damian Williams and Drake and who's the guy until Drake kind of separated himself or maybe Williams just wore down. But I think you kind of summed it up well, is that you can somewhat feel excited about Kenyon Drake,
Starting point is 00:39:31 but there is a strong possibility that it may not materialize until the midpoint of the season. But I kind of feel about Frank Gore almost as like the new Ronnie Hillman, like he's just a cockroach that won't go away. And I don't mean that derogatorily because he's a Hall of Famer, but he just continues to be a factor wherever he has been, in some cases in a good way, but I think in this case could be a negative way because he's 35.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Well, that was disgusting. I just want to say something positive about Kenyon Drake. I'm sure that's what scares me, everything Jamie just said. The last eight weeks of last year he had 137 touches 750 yards four touchdowns and he was the number nine running back in fantasy yeah he was really good and as many things as the dolphins have tried to do with their offense that have completely fallen on their face kenyan drake as a feature back was one thing that worked so i guess it makes sense that adam Gase would do something different.
Starting point is 00:40:25 What the hell? Could they just not trust him? Is that really what it comes down to? I think what ends up happening with these coaches is you have a guy... Look, Frank Gore does a lot of things right, but he does them at this point in his career slower than what
Starting point is 00:40:41 Drake is and not as explosive as what Drake is and not as high of a ceiling as what Drakeke is forget about fantasy just on the field and so he knows when he's standing in at the you know in the backfield okay i need to be here on pass protection whereas drake may have to sort of figure it out for a second and he knows which routes to run where drake may still take a you know two steps where you know where Gore's cutting an angle on a different route. So coaches see things a little bit differently. But once the game happens and things unfold, Drake showed or at least showed us and what you would have hoped showed the coaching staff there.
Starting point is 00:41:20 The one thing I think that you could take solace in is that they did not pay Gore a lot of money. They did not spend an early lot of money. Um, they did not spend an early pick to get killing Balazs. Um, so, you know, Drake is still somebody I think that they're invested in.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Again, just the, the, what I was told, it's not like Drake is getting benched. It's not like Drake is, uh, going to be a,
Starting point is 00:41:40 a smaller part of the offense. He's just not going to be the featured guy. I think like it's almost similar to the report we got about Christian McCaffrey. They bring in CJ Anderson, and he's going to get the bigger workload. I just think Gore's going to take away enough from Drake that he may not have that huge breakout potential that we saw at the end of last season. Back in April, there was a report that Kenyon Drake added 5 or 10 pounds
Starting point is 00:42:02 in anticipation of a heavier workload. And hopefully he gets it. All right, next group of four in round four after Drake, Cooper, Fitzgerald, and Watson. And let me just go back and frame it because Drake is the first pick of round four in a 12-team league, 37th overall. So he's the 18th running back off the board. Derek Henry, Joe Mixon, they had gone before him. Obviously, like Jordan Howard, the Sean McCoy, they're gone. So Drake, then Cooper, Fitzgerald, Watson.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Next group of four, Jay Ajayi, Alshon Jeffrey, Alex Collins, Juju Smith-Schuster. Jay Ajayi, Alshon Jeffrey, Alex Collins, Juju Smith-Schuster. I'm taking Collins if I can in late round three. I'm kind of separating him from the group of running backs he was in before. I think he's got some wild upside. I think we're going to see a lot of fantasy drafts come down to which of that group is better. Out of Mixon, Collins, Drake, Henry.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Throw McKinnon in there. McCoy will probably settle in this group. Maybe Ingram gets pushed back into this group despite the suspension. And then whichever rookie tends to creep up into this group of Geis or Penny or maybe Jones or Freeman. I'm curious with Collins too because Kenneth Dixon avoided the Pup List, so he's going to be back in the fold. They still have Buck Allen. He's going to be back in the fold. They still have Buck Allen.
Starting point is 00:43:25 He's going to be part of this. So of those three guys, will Collins, similar to Drake, will he be able to separate himself from the other guys that will, I think, sort of hurt him a little bit? My biggest fear with Collins is what's going to happen in the passing game because that's not his forte. He did well toward the end of last season when they started to deal with injuries, but will they lean on Dixon in that role?
Starting point is 00:43:46 Will they put Allen in that role? Collins is someone that hopefully the fumble situation is behind him. But upside-wise, he's worth taking end of round three, beginning of round four. At least John Harbaugh called Alex Collins his starter. At least he's given us that much. Yeah, but starter could be two series. Don't rain on this parade. It could be two series until somebody else comes in.
Starting point is 00:44:10 Who's getting more touches this year, Drake or Jay Ajayi? That's tricky. I think touches, I'll take Drake. Carries, I'll take Ajayi. I have found myself liking Juju Smith-Schuster more and more. It probably has everything to do with the Martavis Bryant trade. I have found myself liking Juju Smith-Schuster more and more. It probably has everything to do with the Martavis Bryant trade. But I'm such an idiot today.
Starting point is 00:44:33 I had such a terrible draft today. I drafted Antonio Brown in round one and Juju Smith-Schuster in round four. Those are my – By your friendship strategy on Star Trek? No, it's terrible. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't like it. And then I had Ben Roethlisberger in my queue, and I was like, I can't do it. Yes, you should have.
Starting point is 00:44:46 Shoot for the moon. That would have been fun. There's no payment for losing the first round. Listen, between those two wide receivers, you're going to have a double-digit producer every week. It's going to be Brown most weeks, but you'll have it. There's no way. If you had both of those guys, there's no way you wouldn't have at least one very good player. And if Brown gets hurt, you probably have a stud.
Starting point is 00:45:10 But Juju is the 19th wide receiver off the board right now. He's with Amari Cooper, Fitzgerald, Alshon, Allen Robinson goes soon. We'll take a look at the next four because Jamie talked about fantasy drafts being decided by the running backs. He already mentioned the rookies. Well, the final four picks of round four, Darius Geiss, Rashad Penny, Allen Robinson, and Demarius Thomas. Darius Geiss, Rashad Penny, Allen Robinson, Demarius Thomas. So I'll give the whole round again just to refresh everyone's memory.
Starting point is 00:45:33 Drake, Cooper, Fitz, Watson, Ajayi, Alshon, Alex Collins, Juju, Darius Geiss, Rashad Penny, Alan Robinson Demarius Thomas It's a risky round guys, isn't it? Welcome to fantasy football In 2018 A ton of upside I wonder Depending on who you're drafting with
Starting point is 00:45:58 If it makes sense to take Aaron Rodgers I know we're not going to say Deshaun Watson But if you get to these guys and you're deciding between Drake, Collins, Cooper, Fitzgerald Aaron Rodgers is I know we're not going to say Deshaun Watson, but if you get to these guys and you're deciding between Drake, Collins, Cooper, Fitzgerald, Aaron Rodgers is there. What do you do? Take one of the running backs or receivers. If you have three home run picks, it's not a bad idea to take Rodgers.
Starting point is 00:46:15 I'll take Rodgers at the end of this round. I'm not interested at the beginning. Between Geis, Penny, Robinson, and Demarius Thomas, Alan Robinson and Demarius Thomas, does anyone strike you as... between Geis, Penny, Robinson, and Demarius Thomas, Alan Robinson and Demarius Thomas, does anyone strike you as... Okay, we're about... We're picks 45, 6, 7, and 8. Anybody strike you as good or bad value?
Starting point is 00:46:32 I don't have a rank this way, but Geis to me has the highest ceiling. I got a feeling there's going to be a lot of buzz about Geis. One good preseason game. Yeah, right. And he'll just get shot to the moon, and he'll be around three-pack. I think Robinson's got upside in Chicago.
Starting point is 00:46:48 I think he can volume his weight up. Does it worry you? I agree, but does it worry you that he's still not back to full go? Let's see how he is at training camp. Or maybe three or four days into training camp. Yeah, I mean, obviously if he starts on the pup list, it's going to make everybody freak out. I still think Demarius is the best value of that group.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Okay. Sure, and that's one of the guys I think you can go after in the late round. I just wonder what the upside is with him. We're expecting a lot. You talked about Trubisky. Obviously we saw Keenum play well last year, but that's the first time Keenum's done it. Right, but he doesn't play with good quarterbacks very often. It's the first time Keenum's been that prolific. Totally. It's the first time heenum's done it. Right, but he doesn't play with good quarterbacks very often.
Starting point is 00:47:25 It's the first time Keenum's been that prolific. Totally. It's the first time he's been able to stay healthy. I just wonder if the Broncos are looking at it as now they have other players. During the Peyton era, it was two guys. It was Thomas and Welker and then Thomas and Sanders. And Thomas is getting older. They drafted two young receivers.
Starting point is 00:47:45 They apparently love Cortland Sutton. We talked a little bit yesterday about Jake Butt and what his role could be. They never had, well, I guess they had Julius Thomas, but at least this post-Payton phase, they haven't had a competent tight end where Jake Butt could be that guy. I just think that Thomas' ceiling could be a little bit capped. I hope not, but it could be.
Starting point is 00:48:05 And at this point, through 48 picks on Fantasy Pro's half PPR, 22 running backs, 21 wide receivers, three tight ends, two quarterbacks are off the board. We're going to finish the show with your voicemails and some fantasy regulators. Let's go to the voicemails first. 954-689-3199. I got three voicemails I'd like to play. 954-689-3199. I've got three voicemails I'd like to play.
Starting point is 00:48:27 954-689-3199. Let's get it started. Hey, Jeremy, Jimmy, Ben, and Kobe. This is Eric from Illinois. I've got a question. I'm going into my first ever Dynasty League, 16 teams, PPR, so it should be pretty fun. I probably mock draft two to three already, just so I'm prepared.
Starting point is 00:48:49 I'm curious what you guys would prefer for a start on your team. Let's say I get Hunt at pick 11, and on the swing around of the snake draft, who do you guys prefer to get to build your first two players? Do you go wide receiver? Is it more just who's left? But there's a lot of guys that interest me at that spot, and I think it's pretty interesting. Thanks. Love the show.
Starting point is 00:49:12 All right. Thank you, Eric. So he has a 16-team league question. A dynasty, I don't know how important it is. But first of all, Jeremy, Jimmy, Ben, and Kobe. Saints, tight ends? Yes. There you go. We've talked about this a lot in a 12-team context.
Starting point is 00:49:27 Not a bad idea to start running back wide receiver or wide receiver running back. Does anything change in a 16-team league? He has the 11th pick, I think he said, and Eric would take Kareem Hunt one. What do you do in the second round? Best available player at running back or wide receiver. So that second round pick is going to be basically at the end of a second round pick in our drafts almost, like 21-22. Kelsey Baldwin.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Yeah. Kelsey might be great there. Hilton. So question about Kelsey. For a while at that rare position. Question about Kelsey or even maybe Gronk. Do you care about? If you're in a startup dynasty, you've got to decide when now or when hopefully now and maybe in the next couple of years as well.
Starting point is 00:50:15 So that's the decision between Gronk and Kelsey. I would still lean Gronk. I would probably go Kelsey, but they're really, really close. But my question was, what about taking a tight end in a deeper league? Does that bother you at all? No, I'm going to try and target one of the big ones to give my team an advantage, theoretically. Okay. All right, next voicemail here.
Starting point is 00:50:38 Another Dynasty question. Ranking three wide receivers. Here we go. Hey, fellas. It's Josh from the South Carolina. In Dynasty, who would you want to target out of these three? Josh Gordon, Sammy Watkins, or Mike Cooper? Gordon, Watkins, Cooper.
Starting point is 00:50:53 How would you rank them in a Dynasty league? I got Watkins last in the group. And I'm having an internal debate right now over Cooper versus Gordon. Cooper, Gordon, Watkins. I think I would also have it that way. Yep. Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:51:12 All right, last one. Is Inception an action movie? Is Inception – no. No, it's a Leonardo DiCaprio movie. It's interesting. It's sci-fi. By the way, other great candidates for the third spot on the list behind Terminator 2 and Die Hard. Taken, The Rock, the glass of water that I need to drink.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Yep, I'm choking. All right, I'm going to play this voicemail and drink water. What's going on, guys? Buddy, Jacksonville, Florida here. Just got a quick question on draft positioning. So in our league, depending on how you finish, you get to pick your draft position. I am looking at picking eight or later.
Starting point is 00:51:51 Half-point PPR, what are your guys' thoughts on which position you guys would take and why? Half-point PPR, 12-team league, pick position eight or later. Thanks, guys. Go on. I think this is exactly the type of part of the draft where you're going to go running back,
Starting point is 00:52:11 receiver, receiver, running back. And I think you'll have more running backs available to you at this point. Eight or later. If he's picking eight or later, what's the strategy? What's the best strategy? I thought he was asking what pick he should choose. He gets to choose his own pick.
Starting point is 00:52:28 Same. No, he is. He's asking. He could pick eighth or later. Which do you prefer, eight or later in a 12-team league? I'd probably go eight or nine. I would take eight, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Eight. Is there a reason? Why? I think once you get to the Unless it just goes from 9 Through 12 and back to you All the receivers come off the board You have your chance to get Barkley, Kamara
Starting point is 00:52:51 Fournette, Gordon, Cook Whichever guy you favor And then someone in the range of Potentially Keenan Allen Julio Jones, AJ Green, Michael Thomas Devante Adams I think you're in a pretty good position at 8 To have two first round picks you really like potentially Keenan Allen, Julio Jones, A.J. Green, Michael Thomas, Devonta Adams. Yeah. I think you're in a pretty good position at eight to have two first-round picks you really like in a great tier of running back and a great tier of wide receiver,
Starting point is 00:53:13 and even Gronkowski if you like. Maybe what you should think about is who you're looking at in round three and where you find the drop-off to be in round three and decide if you want to be a little closer to the back of round three. Look at rounds three and four. Thank you. Well said, Adam. All right.
Starting point is 00:53:31 Here we go, everybody. Sorry for the loudness there. It's time to regulate. This is from some guy in some place near some bigger place. He says, hey, Kip, Rico, Pedro, and Deb, that's Napoleon Dynamite. I am in a dynasty league, and I need some regulating. Cut to this offseason. I can plainly see online that the league champion is picking up players. This is, of course, not allowed, but this particular site does not prevent the champion from picking up players in the offseason. Once a month or so, he makes an
Starting point is 00:54:04 acquisition. And then once that transaction disappears from the league homepage, he makes another acquisition. I've taken a screenshot of each acquisition when it has happened, and I've sent it to the commissioner each time. The commissioner has said he will reset this guy's roster to what it's supposed to be before the draft. All right, sum it up. League champ keeps on cheating, keeps on picking up players, and our emailer is calling him out.
Starting point is 00:54:30 The commissioner said he'll reset the roster, but I think there should be a penalty for this, says our emailer, and a harsh one. The guy is clearly trying to be sneaky about it because he knows it's wrong, and he's a league champion. As someone who just joined the league last year, I didn't see if this sort of thing went on the previous offseason how do i know this guy didn't do this last year i'm thinking of leaving the league if the commissioner doesn't dock this guy a draft pick regulate if the commissioner resets the roster there's nothing you should worry about yeah in
Starting point is 00:55:01 my home league we we uh we keep four players each, and I have a friend that I've been friends with for 25 years, and he does this just to annoy me. He's not trying to gain any advantage. He just wants me
Starting point is 00:55:12 to have to go back and figure out who was supposed to be on his team. It's super annoying. The only penalty I can think of is like a public flogging.
Starting point is 00:55:20 Have you ever told the friend to stop you? Oh, yeah. He keeps doing it anyway? He thinks it's hilarious. Do you do anything annoying to him in retaliation? I don't really do those types of things, Dave. Like throw a brick through his house.
Starting point is 00:55:33 I don't slash his tires. Can I put on my regulating hat right now? No. I think we all have our regulating hat. You guys are being soft. You're being soft. This man is cheating the league. He is trying to cheat.
Starting point is 00:55:45 He is doing it surreptitiously. He should be docked. A fourth round draft pick regulated. You are a terrible commissioner. I disagree. I think that that's too much. Give him a warning. Tell him if he does it again he's out of the league. Alright, fine. Alex from an island in the Pacific Northwest says, Dear Lance, JaVale,
Starting point is 00:56:02 Rajon, and LeBron. They're not all Lakers, are they? They are. Rajon Rondo's on the Lakers? LeBron's on the Lakers? That I do. Okay. My college buddies and I have been playing in a league for five or six years now.
Starting point is 00:56:15 When we started, we had too many participants for one league. Excuse me, participants for one league. So we decided to divide it into an A-League and a D-League, similar to the Premier League. Each year, the top three teams from the D-League get bumped up, and the bottom three from the A-League get dropped down. Everybody following so far? Yes. It's worked great over the last few years as it forces everyone to set their lineups
Starting point is 00:56:41 and pay attention every week through the end of the season. This year, however, one of the members in the A-League has decided not to play fantasy. My question is who should fill that A-League spot? Should it be the fourth-place team from the D-League or one of the three members from the A-League that are being demoted this year? Easy call. Easy call. It's someone that gets promoted up. No, it's somebody from the A-League that's getting demoted.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Yeah, Adam's right. It's not just someone. It's the very best team that was just barely at the cutoff because they have been replaced and dropped by a different team. I don't like the idea of there being a superior and an inferior league. I like it a lot. Oh, I love it, Dave. No, I'm regulating you. I think it's okay if you've got 24 buddies and 12 of them are in one league, 12 of them are in another. Dave, you suck.
Starting point is 00:57:30 And you rotate them in and out. You absolutely suck right now. But one league is not bigger than the other. One league is not fancier than the other. Oh, my gosh. We're the regulators. Nate Dogg and Warren G would be so mad at you. Ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:57:42 All right. I don't like it. From Sean. Sean says, I don't like it. From Sean. Sean says, I was wondering, what are your opinions for the members of a league to use things outside of fantasy football to trade for players? Examples last year of a guy trading Gronk for Carlos Hyde and $50. Or we had a guy trade David Johnson if he did his college algebra homework all semester. I am not kidding. I'm not even going to read the rest of this.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Am I being the fun police or should this be the hill that I die on? It depends on what kind of league you want to have. In every league that I am in, that is illegal. How fun would it be? Borderline collusion. Oh, it's ridiculous. I'll write your article this week if you give me this player. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:30 The problem is the best part about that is it gives guys a way to recoup their entry fee once they've been eliminated. Jamie would just buy me a lot of money and take the best players off my team. This is one of the worst things. I mean, just to regulate, die on this hill, do not let this happen, kick those people out of the league. off my team. This is one of the worst things. Just to regulate, die on this hill, do not let this happen, kick those people out of the league. This is awful. Unless they pay you. It's kind of fun, but yes, it is awful.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Give me an extra hundred bucks and you can stay in the league. We kick so many people out of so many leagues. We're just so mean. Except for Dave. Dave's like, everybody should be in the same league, everybody. Oh, that's how I sound? That's how you're going to have me sound?
Starting point is 00:59:08 Hi, I'm Adam Azer. Bayhart isn't a Christmas movie. All right. We're out of here. Thanks for listening, everybody. We're the regulators, and we'll talk to you tomorrow. Bye. Na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Starting point is 00:59:21 It's all right. I've got Le'Veon. It's all right. Not George Le'Veon. It's all right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No.

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