Fantasy Football Today - 07/31: RB Sleepers & Busts; Zero-RB Debate (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 31, 2018

We've got news items on two starting RB jobs that are up for grabs. What's the latest on the Colts (3:45) and Packers (6:55) backfields and which of those RBs presents the best value? Also: How are ou...r listeners feeling about the Zero-RB strategy this year (9:50)? We've got a very revealing Twitter poll ... Breakout RBs: Joe Mixon (20:00) and Alex Collins (21:50). Bust RBs: LeSean McCoy (26:35) and Christian McCaffrey (27:30) in non-PPR ... Getting excited about Tyler Eifert (30:20) and pondering the Raiders offensive potential (32:00) before we put Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs under a microscope (38:00). Which player has more upside? Does format matter? ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! We're here to help you win your league and have bragging rights on your friends. Let's go! Now, here's Adam, Dave, and James. Breakout and bust running backs today on the Fantasy Football Today podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:22 What's going on? Welcome back, everybody. It is Tuesday, July 31st. We're now just a couple of days away from the Fantasy Football Today podcast. What's going on? Welcome back, everybody. It is Tuesday, July 31st. We're now just a couple of days away from the Hall of Fame game. We want you to start your fantasy football league right by booking your draft party at B-Dubs. That's Buffalo Wild Wings. You're going to get a free draft kit and enjoy a draft feast of boneless wings, three sides, and three shareables at a special price. Only at Buffalo Wild Wings. Wings, beer, sports at participating locations while supplies last.
Starting point is 00:00:48 I'm Adam Azer. Heath Cummings on vacation, but Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg are here, and we are almost set for a half PPR draft this afternoon. Dave, you have the fifth pick. Who are you going to take in the first round? Well, are we assuming that the first four picks will be some mixture of Gurley, Bell, Zeke, and Johnson? I don't know about number four.
Starting point is 00:01:10 I don't know. I think I'm going to mix it up and take Antonio Brown in a half-point PPR. I can tell you for sure Gurley's going one. I'm going to guess Bell goes two. Number three, we have a new person drafting with us.
Starting point is 00:01:26 Jacob Gibbs from Sportsline. Oh, I like Jacob. Good guy. Never drafted with him, so we'll see how he does. I'm going to guess he takes Ezekiel Elliott or David Johnson. I'm going to guess Matthew Koka takes whoever's left. Well, let's play hypothetical. I'll take Brown.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Yeah, right. Let's play that hypothetical. It's half PPR, so let's say Brown goes four. Dave, who do you take five? Oh, I'm going to take whichever running back is left between Johnson and Zeke. Okay. And Jamie has the sixth pick. Who are you going to take? I will probably end up taking Antonio Brown or DeAndre Hopkins. Now, why not take your next running back, Barkley, Hunt, Kamara, whoever it is.
Starting point is 00:02:10 Because I think any PPR scoring to pass on those receivers is not smart. Unless you're getting one of the top four running backs. And then I have the eighth pick. Who am I going to take? You'll botch it. You'll take Dalvin Cook. I might take Dalvin Cook. Why not?
Starting point is 00:02:23 How many catches for Dalvin Cook? He was on pace, I think, for 40. Yeah, all right. 48, maybe. How many catches for Kareem Hunt? He had 53, so he's probably going to be in that range. Maybe a downtick by a couple, just with the other backs that are not healthy. Yeah, I'm going to get one of those.
Starting point is 00:02:41 I'm going to get one of four running backs. Maybe five. Hunt, Barkley, Kamara, Cook, Gordon. You know what? I don't know who it's going to be. We'll have to find out. You can see it on the website on cbssports.com slash fantasy. Wow, what a teaser.
Starting point is 00:02:55 Well, I don't know yet, Dave. I've got to figure it out. Oh, I thought you were just trying to get people excited. If I were on the clock right now, I would take Kareem Hunt. Over Cook. Over Cook. Over Cook. Wow. Now the hashtag is CookTop6. We got a Twitter poll about ZeroRB.
Starting point is 00:03:14 See what people are thinking about it. And we're going to talk about Le'Veon Bell and his crazy amount of touches last year, whether or not that's a concern. Then we'll get into the breakouts and the busts. We are putting two Vikings wide receivers under the microscope. We are putting Amari Cooper on the scale. He is up to 225 pounds.
Starting point is 00:03:32 First of all, your timing, amazing. Why? Because you said yesterday we're going to put two Vikings receivers under the microscope and one got paid today. Yes. Stefan Diggs. Can you put Dave and I under the microscope? Let's do two quick running back news items. And also emails at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com.
Starting point is 00:03:51 1070, the fans, Kevin Bowen thinks that Jordan Wilkins is in the mix to be the starting running back for the Colts. And we did talk about that yesterday. We didn't talk about this news report, but we talked about both Hines and Wilkins and obviously Marlon Mack. Just to go back in time a couple of years, Andrew Luck's last healthy season, Frank Gore got 263 carries. Didn't do a ton with him, but he caught four touchdowns, he rushed for four touchdowns, and he was the number 12 running back in fantasy. What do you think of this report from Kevin Bowen?
Starting point is 00:04:20 Jordan Wilkins in the mix to be the starting running back for the Colts. I mean, he's been my favorite of the three given his value. Marlon Mack's the one you're going to take first, but Wilkins is – I mean, Adam, you and I have fought for him in a lot of drafts. Yeah. But Hines, to me, is a specialist. He's going to play on passing downs. He's going to mix in some carries here and there. If you want to take Frank Reich's system or comparison, he's Darren Sproles.
Starting point is 00:04:52 And so a guy that they'll use in a variety of ways. Wilkins is the one that I think benefits from the Robert Turbin suspension for four games because he's bigger than Marlon Mack. I would envision Mack and Wilkins splitting running down work with Wilkins having the best chance to work at the goal line. So given his value, I think it's like round 10 or round 11, maybe later. I think it was like 155 overall, if I'm not mistaken. Wow, that's very late.
Starting point is 00:05:19 He's a steal. He's going to rise, obviously, with reports like this. But preseason games and when they start putting the pads on for real consistently, you're going to see if Jordan Wilkins stands out. And if that's the case, then he's not going to stay in that range for long. At what point does his draft value become a problem? Because right now, round 11, you're right. Who cares?
Starting point is 00:05:42 It's a late-round pick. You're taking a shot. But if he starts – if he shoots up into – well, let's preface it like this. Let's say he shoots up into round eight and there's no injuries or anything like that. Doesn't it feel like that's a little too risky? The only way that's the case is if – Mack gets hurt. Or he – it's clear he's putting Mack on the bench.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Fair. In which case he won't even be in round eight. I think a good comparison of ADP-Riser, just because I looked at this yesterday, Chris Carson right now is going in round 10. That's not going to be the case a week from now because of all the preseason reports. So he'll probably push his way into that round nine range, maybe round eight, with anybody doing mock drafts now and real drafts. If Wilkins has a similar type of situation,
Starting point is 00:06:29 because now the hype is starting to get a little bit behind him, it's just not going to become worth it if they're still the healthy guy in front of him. Right now Marlon Mack is going 85th overall in CBS ADP. Naeem Hines is going 131st, and Jordan Wilkins 155th, as Jamie mentioned. Would you say that Hines is playing catch-up right now? That's a dad joke. Now you qualify. According to ESPN, Jamal Williams has been the primary running back.
Starting point is 00:07:04 Not just CSPN. Oh, according to everyone. Well, no. Pete Briscoe, who we need to have on at some point because he's getting such amazing stuff. Yeah. He spoke with Mike McCarthy, and I asked him to ask Mike two questions in regard to the Packers. One was, what's the running back breakdown look like? And he said, right now, it's Williams,
Starting point is 00:07:25 followed by Montgomery on third downs, and then passing downs and hurry-up situations, and then Aaron Jones will work in. But he did say that they want to save Williams for December, which means they think of him pretty highly. But that also means they're going to use the other guys a lot. So it could be frustrating from our standpoint. Yeah if williams can develop a hot hand but that window will go right out the window and you'll see him on the field a lot there were only i think it was
Starting point is 00:07:53 only two games last year where multiple packers running backs had at least 10 carries yeah i kind of throw out last year because the quarterback was hurt, and they were never really all healthy at the same time. So now that they're all healthy, Aaron Jones battling this hamstring problem is something to keep an eye on, and obviously the two-game suspension. But come week three, if they're all healthy, and you have Montgomery kind of slotted into that hurry-up role, you know he's going to be on the field a lot more than probably you hope if you're a Williams or a Jones guy because Aaron Rodgers is going to throw the ball a lot.
Starting point is 00:08:27 But I think if you're just looking at it from the standpoint of who's the best fantasy option right now, it's Williams. The other question I asked him just in regards to Packers was a lot of talk about who's the third receiver because I don't know if it was with Dave or with Heath, but when you read the report out about J. Mon Moore, they like Geronimo Allison a lot. And if he's not on your sleeper list, he should be
Starting point is 00:08:52 because no Jordy Nelson. We're, I think, to different degrees excited about Randall Cobb, but there's a lot of production to be replaced there. Jimmy Graham's going to get some. Cobb's going to get some. Obviously, Devontae Adams. If you're the third receiver for Aaron Rodgers, that could be six, seven touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:09:08 It could be 700, 800 yards. And if Cobb doesn't bounce back to what we're hoping for, maybe Allison is the second option there. And there's some excitement about Jordy Nelson in Raiders camp. We're going to talk about that a little bit later. By the way, guess which two running backs that we've already talked about today have the same exact ADP? It's not the Colts guys.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Well, it could be one of the Colts guys and one of the Packers guys. Could it be... Williams and Mack. There you go. Both 85th overall. Williams and Mack. Who would you take first? Williams. It's close. I mean, look, Mack still has, as much as I like Jordan Wilkins,
Starting point is 00:09:44 Mack still has an opportunity here to be the guy. They're both going to be crowded backfields. They're both going to be situations that will probably frustrate you from time to time. But at least with Williams, you know he proved it. Moving on from those two news items, let's talk about today's Twitter poll. Fill in the blank. In a 12-team league, waiting until round five to draft your first running back is a blank strategy. All right, so kind of the zero RB in a 12-team back is a blank strategy all right so kind of the zero rb
Starting point is 00:10:05 in a 12 team league is a blank strategy great perfectly fine ill-advised or terrible what would you guys vote for waiting until round five to draft your first running back is it great perfectly fine ill-advised or terrible i'll say terrible i don't think it's a good idea not this year it's perfectly fine if you get the right guys. I mean, it's always going to be contingent on that. Well, yeah, but let's just say a fantasy rookie was coming up to you and said, I'm thinking about waiting until round five to draft my first running back. How would you describe it?
Starting point is 00:10:38 What would you say? I would say, who are you planning to take with your first two picks? They'll say, I don't know. I'm just trying to get a strategy together So then I would tell him If you're picking at the back end of the first round Take two great running receivers And then see what's available to you in round three
Starting point is 00:10:54 That's not answering Yeah, you're being evasive Alright, he says I'm going to take Royce Freeman and Ronald Jones as my first two In rounds five and six? Wow, they're falling that far Freeman's in round five I would take Royce Freeman and Ronald Jones as my first two. In rounds five and six? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Wow, they're falling that far. Freeman's in round five. I guess that's right about Royce Freeman. Well, Jones is 60. Oh, wait a second. Yeah, yeah. Jones is like 60th, 61st. So I don't know if you could do that. It might be more like Royce Freeman and Deion Lewis or Kerryon Johnson or something like that.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Yeah, I like the first option better. Let me tell you what the people said. But I still would rather have a running back earlier than round five. The people said great, 1%. Perfectly fine, 12%. Ill-advised, 47%. Terrible, 40%. 87% of the vote was either ill-advised or terrible to go 0RB.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Why would you give the rest of your league one of those stud running backs if you can take one in round one? Says the guy who's going to take Antonio Brown with the fifth overall pick. I mean, how many examples of running backs failing do we have to go over to say that it's not always tried and true just to get a running back in your first pick? No, but I guess that's a fair point. Can you tell me which running backs are going to be the ones that are taken in the first round that you have a dreary outlook for?
Starting point is 00:12:09 No. Because the one nice thing about Antonio Brown is consistency. That's why I feel empowered to take him. Sure. And Hopkins minus Brock Osweiler is consistent. Sure. I think you've got to hope that a healthy Odell Beckham is consistent. There's reasons why those guys are ranked where they are
Starting point is 00:12:25 and being drafted where they are. So you take one of those guys, you pair them with what you hope to be similar type production from A.J. Green, Michael Thomas, Leo Jones, Devontae Adams, whoever the case may be, and then you see what's there in round three. If Zach Ertz is there in round three, is that a bad pick? No.
Starting point is 00:12:45 If you get to round four and there's somebody who didn't draft a quarterback yet and there's Aaron Rodgers, okay, maybe not realistic, but Tom Brady. What's wrong with that? What if it's a third wide receiver? Or take a third wide receiver if you're playing a flex. You said PPR, right? No, I didn't say anything. Oh, you didn't say anything.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Okay, so even if it's not, third round, you know, Tyree Kills fall into the third round. It depends on how much upside you know, Tyreek Hill's falling to third round. It depends on how much upside you think there are with the mid-round running backs. Last year, I felt like there was a lot of mid-round running back upside. I don't really know if it played out that way, but I felt good about it. This year, I don't know, because I think this year the running backs are getting pushed up a little bit. Well, Collins is in the fourth round. There's more of them.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Alex Collins is in the fourth round. You just said two very high potential rookies in Jones and Freeman. Dion Lewis is still going to be somebody that has some good, if not great, weeks. See, that's the guy. I can't make him. I can't go 0RB and have Dion Lewis be my first running back. Yeah, but if it's your first of five in a row. Yeah, maybe.
Starting point is 00:13:43 I love the fact that Kerryon Johnson's still there. Right. You have him. Ingram will be in that range. You're going to get, like you just said, 85th overall, so you go another round, and then there's either Mack or Williams. Yeah, it's true. I mean, it's not bad.
Starting point is 00:13:55 I get the perception, and it doesn't feel great if you're passing on not just the first four guys, but the group you said for the draft you may be taking, Kamara or Barkley or Hunt or Gordon or Frenette or Cook. You're passing on all those guys and what their upside and potential could be. I get it. But it's not end-all, be-all that you have to take a running back and say, okay, great, now I got one of these studs.
Starting point is 00:14:20 The rest of my team is set. That's not the case. Okay. No, but it sure feels better. But it may not you don't need to get five running backs with your first five picks try and get one i don't mind getting one in round one and then you want to skip running back until round five around six you're going to feel so much better that way you'll look at your team after the draft and
Starting point is 00:14:39 you'll say hey maybe i don't have uh any bad weaknesses whereas if you finish your draft and your number one running back is Royce Freeman, you might not feel so great. Yeah, but then you look at what the rest of your team is. Yeah, the rest of your team will be great. Yeah, maybe. Listen, Leo was a first-round pick last year.
Starting point is 00:14:57 How'd he do? Odell was a first-round pick. So was David Johnson. Of course. You don't know exactly what's going to happen. But that's true. You can make examples all across the board. You don't know exactly what's going to happen. But that's true. I mean, you can make examples all across the board. It doesn't really feel like running back is the riskiest position by a long shot anymore.
Starting point is 00:15:12 That was sort of how I was feeling. It's still the riskiest position. Yeah, but wide receivers are showing that they're pretty up and down too. The guys that have been so dominant for the last three to five years are getting older. What, wide receiver? Yeah. I know, but like – There's going to be some breakdowns.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Look at Hopkins and Allen Robinson two years ago. They were awful. Julio Jones, I know he's a top five receiver. Maybe he was sixth. He wasn't that good last year. He was a disappointment. Sure. He's the one you can look at and say he was a disappointment.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Beckham too. Beckham got hurt. Beckham got hurt. I know, but that was always the argument for 0RB is running backs get hurt. You know? Sure, but how often do the top tier wide receivers get hurt compared to the top tier running backs? I don't know anymore. I don't know how
Starting point is 00:15:57 true... Let's think about that. Are the top tier running backs... Depending on when you factor in injuries. If you're factoring in them from week one on, so you throw out the Jordy Nelson injury because you knew he was hurt, you throw out the Kelvin Benjamin injury because you knew he was hurt. Why would we throw those out?
Starting point is 00:16:13 I mean, they still happen. Well, because depending on when you draft it. I mean, if you're going to count those, then clearly you're drafting from pre-third preseason game. There's also one other thing. Wide receivers are more affected by quarterback injuries than running backs, in my opinion. Would you guys agree with that? Sure.
Starting point is 00:16:33 So, like Jordy Nelson became droppable. T.Y. Hilton was about 24th overall, but he was really nothing worth it. Will Fuller became a pumpkin when Deshaun Watson went down. Hopkins did. Hopkins did not, but he was really nothing worth it. Will Fuller became a pumpkin when Deshaun Watson went down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:46 But Hopkins didn't. Hopkins did. Hopkins did not, but Fuller did. Yeah. All right, well, it was a good debate. We can continue it some other time. Let's talk about Le'Veon Bell. And I saw this on the website.
Starting point is 00:16:55 You guys are doing some big running back questions. The first one, and Jamie alluded to it yesterday on the podcast, is Zero RB dead? I think we just talked about that. The second question was levion bell is coming off a 431 touch season is he a risk with the number two overall pick coming off a 431 touch season so that's including the playoffs right yeah so i mean we've talked about this a lot throughout the years we haven't had a lot of examples the last couple seasons but you know the the curse of 370 which which Football Outsider has brought
Starting point is 00:17:26 to light maybe 10 years ago at this point, and obviously we've monitored ourselves. I don't think he's in that range because receivers, running backs that catch the ball out of the backfield, these great receiving backs, they typically do a better job
Starting point is 00:17:42 of avoiding contact. So his 321 carries in the regular season still puts him 50 shy of what it is. I think they're going to give him close to 400 touches again because if he's in essentially a one-year deal, they don't give him a long-term contract. What reason do they have to sort of preserve him when their window to win a Super Bowl is now? So get the most you can out of him.
Starting point is 00:18:05 If he breaks, you know you can walk away. It's a cold-hearted thing to say, but that's what the Cowboys did. Their 2014 season, they ran DeMarco Murray into the ground, and he was fantastic. But they knew they weren't going to pay him, and you saw the results. He had a terrible season with Philly the next year. Bounced back moderately, successfully with the Titans. And then now he's out of the league.
Starting point is 00:18:32 So you're not concerned about Bell, though? Not for this season, no. Because it's not 431 carries. If that was the case, I mean, I've talked about this a lot Throughout the years I'd run away as fast as I could
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Starting point is 00:20:03 We are profiling an underrated fantasy football player who listeners should get to know. These guys could be the key to winning your season. So we'll do two of them. We've got two breakout running backs. First, Jamie, who's your breakout running back in 2018? I'm getting more and more excited about Joe Mixon. Just the upgrades in the offensive line
Starting point is 00:20:21 and what he was able to do to a moderate level of success last year behind a bad offensive line once they kind of pushed Jeremy Hill out of the way. I think Mixon is worth the round three price tag. If he creeps in the round two, that's a little bit too soon for me. But I expect him to get a big
Starting point is 00:20:40 workload. I think he'll be underrated as a pass catcher. You look at Giovanni Bernard and he'll be clearly a factor, but I think Joe Mixon's workload will be 250 plus touches and I think he's got 1,500 total yards and 10 touchdowns in him. I think it was Dave Laugham on the Bengals official website that said that Mixon's going to have a huge year. Yeah, I'm excited. I mean, talent is there. Again, Bernard will be part of the backfield rotation. Maybe they work in Mark Walton also. But I really do think that Mixon's going to handle a huge amount of touches.
Starting point is 00:21:21 And Billy Price and Cordy Glenn joining the offensive line will significantly help that group. All right, Mixon is going on CBS 32nd overall. Love it. Cordy Glenn joining the offensive line will significantly help that group. All right, Mixon is going on CBS 32nd overall. Love it. On the Fantasy Pros consensus, 26th overall, 15th running back off the board. Mixon. And right after Jarek McKinnon. So who would you rather have, McKinnon or Mixon? Still McKinnon, but I'll see how he looks in the preseason.
Starting point is 00:21:44 That's a guy that can drop a little bit for me, but Mixon's right there. Dave, who's your breakout running back? I'm going with Alex Collins. Same division as Joe Mixon, but obviously a different team, different player, and a guy who looked good last season. I want to remind people that he basically only played in the last nine games for the Ravens. Total of almost 800 yards. He played in every game minus the first week. Well, yeah, but he didn't really get a lot of work until those last nine games for the Ravens. Total of almost 800 yards. He played in every game minus the first week.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Yeah, but he didn't really get a lot of work until those last nine games when they finally started dropping him. Wasn't it week four when he got 15 carries? Maybe, but most of it, I don't have it in front of me. I don't have the game log in front of me, but I do know that he had almost 800 yards in his last nine games. All of his touchdowns, no fumbles. Eight games with
Starting point is 00:22:21 at least 15 touches. He's their lead back. That's a team with a good offensive line as well. And I think that Alex Collins has potential to finish as a top 12 running back. So I'm taking him in round three. I think he's going to have a solid year. Certainly get a lot of work. Certainly can catch passes. And as far as sharing the football there, he will early on.
Starting point is 00:22:43 But if he's good, he probably won't. And they had an injured offensive line last year, Marshall Yonda, Alex Lewis. So it could be better. And Collins averaged 4.6 yards per carry last year. He had eight games with 15 or more carries. And in six of them, he scored 12 or more fantasy points in non-PPR. Dave, I mean, Alex Collins, the Irish dancer, right?
Starting point is 00:23:05 He looked great. He looked very nimble. Sweet feet. Here's my concern. Let me know what you think. So when you look at a guy who could be a bust, doesn't catch the ball on a bad offense. Is that Alex Collins? I don't know how bad this offense is going to be.
Starting point is 00:23:24 I don't think it's going to be a great offense by any stretch. I think it will be an improved offense from where it was last year. All reports out of Baltimore say Flacco is looking fine. I think he's feeling the pressure of Lamar Jackson coming to town, and he feels like he's got something left to prove. I think Alex Collins is just a good, solid running back. They ranked ninth in scoring last year. I couldn't believe that. Ravens were ninth in scoring last year. I couldn't believe that.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Ravens were ninth in points last year. Really? Yeah. I can't believe that as you tell me right now. They were in the 20s the two years before that. I don't know if there were a lot of defensive touchdowns or something, but ninth in points scored last year really surprised me. Is Yonder hurt?
Starting point is 00:23:59 Wouldn't he get hurt? Or is he on the pup? Might be. Okay. Well, it's something to keep an eye on. I agree with what you said, Dave. He's worth taking to the third round. I just wonder,
Starting point is 00:24:11 they just seem to like, if not love, Buck Allen. He just gets in the way a little bit. If Kenneth Dixon's healthy, he's going to get in the way a little bit. I really do appreciate that he's a breakout candidate in the way a little bit. So I really do appreciate that he's a breakout candidate. I wrote about him today. I think he is a breakout candidate
Starting point is 00:24:29 as well. I just hope he doesn't get what happened to him in the beginning part of the season again. I think it could come crashing down if he fumbles a couple of times. Even without the fumbling, I think if they just seem to muck it up. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:45 And Yanda, by the way, started on the pup list. He has left shoulder injury. That's, I think, what bothered him last year, too, was shoulders. He had surgery in the offseason. All right. So mixing for Jamie Collins for Dave. This is no longer the fantasy profile presented by Buffalo Wild Wings because now we're talking about busts.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Give me a bust running back. What's your breakup? Oh, man. Do I have to give one? I mean, you gave a sleeper yesterday, so why not? I did give a sleeper. You think about it. We'll do busts.
Starting point is 00:25:14 It's going to be one of those third round guys. I just... It'll be Derrick Henry, right? Don't you love him? Yes. Yes, it is going to be Derrick Henry. I think he's got 12 touchdown potential. Have you seen the pictures of Lewis and Henry next to each other?
Starting point is 00:25:28 No. It's like when you and I walk down the hallway. Not even that. It's such bigger disparity. It's as if, and this was what Michael Kaiser said to me, head of our video staff here. He said, it's like Derrick Henry's at a football camp and Deion Lewis is one of the kids walking up there.
Starting point is 00:25:47 And then there's other pictures of them working out together, and there's one in particular where Lewis is holding a resistance band around Derrick Henry, and it looks like he's just dragging him. It's very funny. And you know what the
Starting point is 00:26:02 ironic part about it? The ironic part about it is? Their yards after contact numbers are almost identical from a year ago. Really? That's interesting. Okay, I'm really excited about him. And the last report we got was that Derrick Henry was going to get the opportunity to be the lead back. And then we would see how he did.
Starting point is 00:26:23 And that would maybe influence how much How much carry how much work That Deion Lewis gets But I think Henry gets the first shot He gets the touchdowns and if he stays Healthy it's gonna be really good Bust Dave you got LeSean McCoy as your bust Has nothing to do
Starting point is 00:26:39 With what's happening to him Off the field it has everything to do With the workload that he's put up and the situation that he's in in Buffalo. Talking about a running back, well over 2,000 career carries at this point, and the offensive line has gotten worse. There's much fluctuation between their first and second team offensive lines in camp so far.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Quarterback situation is iffy. It turns out, I actually talked actually talked that josh allen is the best guy in camp and he's still missing or just off on a lot of his passes passing game is going to be a nightmare i i'm worried about mccoy breaking down i'm worried about mccoy facing a bunch of stacked boxes i don't think he's going to be very good over the balance of the season might have a couple of big weeks here and there, but this Bill's offense looks dreadful to me. And it also looks like a squad that's going to play from behind a lot. And I don't know if that will necessarily help the Sean McCoy in non-PPR leagues.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Okay. McCoy is your bust, and Jamie's bust is a rookie running back. Who you got? I'm going to pivot from the name I gave you a couple days ago. Sonny Michel, I think, is a bust just by comparison to Rex Burkett. But I just wrote about this today for our running back sleepers, breakouts, and busts. And I don't like the average draft position for Christian McCaffrey in non-PPR leagues. He's going as the 11th running back off the board at number 19 overall.
Starting point is 00:28:01 And that's just too soon. In non-PPR? Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah. I don't like it. That's really, yeah. And so, you know, you just look at it. I know Ron Rivera said he's going to give him 200 carries.
Starting point is 00:28:13 I find that hard to be realistic. So my guess is he's probably in the neighborhood of 150 to 180, but that's being optimistic. If Darrell Williams is out for any significant period of time, they'd lost Andrew Norville from a year ago. C.J. Anderson is probably an upgrade on John Stewart at this point, and they gave Stewart 198 carries, and he scored six touchdowns. Cam Newton had 139 carries, and he scored six touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:28:38 I think those two touchdown numbers are going to be the same, so McCaffrey's going to have to probably outperform his touchdown total from a year ago, which was two by maybe times three, if not more. His passing numbers are fine, so if you want to take him in round two in PPR, I'm fine with it, but round two in non-PPR is just way, way, way too soon. Where are you taking him in non-PPR? Mid-sand in round three, but I'm not getting him. Yeah, so are you taking Mixon over McCaffrey?
Starting point is 00:29:04 100%. What about in PPR? No Yeah, McCaffrey's going to be a guy whose value changes perhaps more than anyone Depending on the format So, okay, interesting Going too early, Christian McCaffrey in non-PPR Are you going to ask me for my bust?
Starting point is 00:29:20 Yes Adam Thielen But I'm not sure anymore. There was something that kind of stood out to me yesterday. And it's a new offense. It's a new quarterback. He had a lot of red zone targets, a lot of targets inside the 10. Enough.
Starting point is 00:29:37 And he did not have any production there. I mean, he had like eight targets inside the 10. He caught one pass or something like that. So I'm thinking maybe there's some positive touchdown regression for theon we're gonna put him under a microscope but my my general thing is adam theon got 143 targets last year and i just don't see that happening again that that would be the the one sentence way to sum up why i'm a little nervous about adam theon also i think stefan diggs has like massive potential that we have i love him this year.
Starting point is 00:30:05 Right? I just feel like there's a surface that has yet to be scratched for Stefan Diggs. Yes, I totally agree. So that's part of it too. Yeah, I don't see it. You don't see it, Dave? Well, yeah, we'll get the microscope out. We'll get the microscope out. Another year, another time for Dave to poop on Stefan Diggs.
Starting point is 00:30:21 News and notes. Sam Darnold signed his contract. Green Bay linebacker Jake Ryan may have suffered A season ending injury And Kentrell Briser's safety was carted off the field They had a rough day at camp on Monday Oh I can't believe I'm actually excited about this
Starting point is 00:30:36 But Tyler Eifert is off the pup list Tyler Eifert Let me tell you a little something About Tyler Eifert If I could get that awesome stat I have about Tyler Eifert Last let me tell you a little something about Tyler Eifert. If I could get that awesome stat I have about Tyler Eifert. Last time he was healthy, he played 13 games in 2015.
Starting point is 00:30:52 And he was a top six tight end. Were the dinosaurs still around? 2015, he was a top six tight end. 2016, he played 8 games. If he had only played 13 games, not even 16, just those 13 like he played in 2015, he was a top six tight end. 2016, he played eight games. If he had only played 13 games, not even 16, just those 13 like he played in 2015, Eifert would have been top 10.
Starting point is 00:31:11 This guy is a touchdown machine. 18 touchdowns in his last 21 games. Somebody's got to catch him. Should we be excited about Eifert off the pup list? Yeah. He's going to be one of your last three picks. There's no harm in taking him. Okay.
Starting point is 00:31:27 And he's got a good week one matchup against Indianapolis. Fun. Denver offensive lineman Garrett Bowles. Or you can take Tyler Croft. He'll be healthy by that point. Garrett Bowles was evaluated for a concussion. He was back at practice. Oh, good.
Starting point is 00:31:40 Oh, I'm glad you mentioned Tyler Croft because I have more Tyler Eifert stats. A tight end has been first or second in touchdown catches for the Bengals in four straight seasons. That is Gresham, Eifert, twice, and Croft. Was it Dalton all four years? Yeah. Yeah. He loves his tight end. And Amari Cooper is 415. He's 225 pounds, Amari Cooper is 250... He's 225
Starting point is 00:32:08 pounds, Amari Cooper. And also, they love Jordy Nelson right now. What do you make of the Raiders? I don't think the added weight's a bad thing for Amari Cooper. So he should be fine if things happen for him the way John Gruden says they're going to
Starting point is 00:32:24 happen for him. Gruden says he's going to line him up all over the place. Tie him in multiple times, the main vein of his passing attack. The main vein, like a wrestler. Yeah. So Cooper, I think, has a tremendous bounce back ability. And Nelson, Derek Carr said he could still run. Technically, I can still run.
Starting point is 00:32:48 After seeing Michael Crabtree run for the last three years, Jordy Nelson probably looks about the same speed, if not faster. I'm curious to see if Jordy Nelson knows how to run different routes, and that's not a knock on him, but just the Packers just basically say, go run, turn around, and Aaron Rodgers will make something happen for you. Yeah, I'm not very excited about Jordy Nelson. I'll take the hit on that one. Blame me if he has a big year. How about this? Fill in the blank. The Raiders offense will be blank
Starting point is 00:33:11 this year. Awful. That's what I think. They're going to be a fantasy wasteland. I don't think they're going to be a fantasy wasteland. I think Cooper's going to have that Chiefs game last year where he's getting 19 targets a game. I think that's going to happen a lot. He's going to get 10 plus targets on a weekly basis.
Starting point is 00:33:27 I think Derek Carr will be like a Blake Bortles where by the end of the season he's like a top 15 maybe top 12 quarterback just because of the volume. He's going to throw for over 4,000 yards for the first time ever. I don't want any part of these running backs. Between Lynch and Doug Mark. I get that.
Starting point is 00:33:43 I don't hate the value of where you're getting Marshawn Lynch, though. Yeah, I do. I don't hate it. I think if you're at that point in the draft, you're probably desperate for a starting running back. Let's see why. With some potential. Why would you ever want to be desperate for anything?
Starting point is 00:33:57 Well, see, I waited five rounds to take a running back, Jamie. And so now I'm just hoping for anything. I wouldn't be desperate then. I don't have a great plan. And I would know that I'm not taking Marshawn Lynch. Yeah, he's going 83. He's going right around Mack and Williams. Yeah, I'm just hoping for anything. I wouldn't be desperate then. I don't have a great plan, and I would know that I'm not taking Marshawn Lynch. Yeah, he's going 83. He's going right around Mack and Williams. Yeah, I'll take Mack and Williams.
Starting point is 00:34:12 I'll take Williams. They can't keep saying enough positive things about Doug Martin at this point. Which I have a hard time believing in myself. I don't believe that. I believe that 100% because it's not like Marshawn Lynch at this point is probably going all out in practice. My guess is the story about John Gruden staying close to his Buccaneers roots and, as he said or reportedly said, he's always wanted to coach Doug Barton. I mean he's showing film of 1976 according to Jared Cook. Oh, that's amazing.
Starting point is 00:34:42 This is just – it just is set up for such a disaster. Yeah, I know. That's why I don't care about the positive reports, really. Like, we poo-pooed Jordy Nelson even after the positive reports. Yeah, okay. I think we've said enough about the Raiders' offense. But their defense takes a hit. Gary and Conley, first-round cornerback.
Starting point is 00:34:59 No, their defense takes a hit because their best player hasn't shown up. Oh, yeah. He's not there either. But Conley out a couple weeks with a hip strain. Carolina quarterback Ross Cockrell broke his leg. Tough camp for Carolina so far. Tennessee wide receiver Taewon Taylor is having a good camp. Anyone care?
Starting point is 00:35:16 Taewon Taylor. Taewon Taylor. Yes. Rashard Matthews is on the pup list, so he's getting a lot of playing time, and he's looking pretty good so far. Yes. And with Eric Decker out of the way, he should play a lot in the slot. They're using him. They're lining him up outside right now.
Starting point is 00:35:28 He is a great late-round player. That's a guy I'd rather heckle than one of my last three picks over Tyler Eifert. Doug Peterson said he saw some... I play in a 20-round draft, Jamie. I'm taking both. Taking both? Smart. Doug Peterson said he saw some hesitation in Carson Wentz. He says it's mental. He says
Starting point is 00:35:43 it's normal. No big deal. I don't think Wentz. He says it's mental. He says it's normal. No big deal. I don't think Wentz has taken any snaps in 11-on-11 drills yet. I thought he did. I thought I saw that he did. I thought that's when this report came out is that it was after he did some 11-on-11. But you could be right. I thought that's what I saw. Well, I'll tell you what is a big deal.
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Starting point is 00:37:30 I have a question for you. Okay. This is live text as it's happening. Will Brinson would like to know, he's sorry for whatever has made you unwilling to say his name out loud. And wants to know why you will not invite him on the show. I thought that was going to be about something else. I thought I was getting called out for bad fantasy baseball commissionering. Yeah, we need to get Will on too.
Starting point is 00:37:54 We need to get Pete on. We need to get Will on. Everybody, just come on the show. You're all welcome. Sorry, Will. Walking in late, Brinson. Let's put two third-round picks under a microscope. Adam Thielen, number 14 in non-PPR, number 8 in PPR last year.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Only four touchdowns on 143 targets. He had only five catches on 17 red zone targets and only one catch on eight targets inside the 10. That's kind of what I was saying. That's just bad luck, and that's according to pro football reference. Stefan Diggs, entering his fourth season, played only 14 games, had 849 yards and eight touchdowns on 95 targets. Who do you like better, Thielen or Diggs?
Starting point is 00:38:37 Thielen. Diggs. Discuss. I might like Thielen more in PPR, but it's close. I think Diggs is going to have 120 plus targets. I'm hoping he's going to stay healthy. That's been a problem for him. But if he does, he's going to have
Starting point is 00:38:51 120 plus targets. I think he's the better player. I think he's one of the best route runners in the NFL. Go watch anything of him on tape and you'll be very impressed with how he finds the ability to get open. I think Kirk Cousins is a big upgrade over Case Keenum, so he'll have an ability to look for him in all varieties and all different facets down the field. So Thielen's very good.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Thielen's a very good number two receiver, but Diggs to me has number one upside because I do think he'll make more plays. I do think he has more of a chance to be a number one type of receiver. And you saw that in some nice bursts last year. He just needs to do it over 16 games, and this is the year I think he does it. Both these guys annoy me because they weren't very consistent. They get a lot of props. They both finish as top 20 fantasy wide receivers regardless of format.
Starting point is 00:39:35 And I'll tell you how many double-digit fantasy point games they combined for. You want to take a guess? Oh, 10. 10 is your guess? Jamie, do you have a guess? Oh, 10. 10 is your guess? Jamie, do you have a guess? Five. Oh, that's in 30 combined games? Right.
Starting point is 00:39:51 12. Oh, no, you were right the first time. 10. Five each. And in the case of Diggs, he had 52 fantasy points in his first three games, 50 coming in two of the games. He finished the year non-PPR 127 points. So he got you off to a big start.
Starting point is 00:40:10 I thought I liked Diggs at this point last year. I thought I came around on him. No, you were definitely not at this point. Maybe as we got closer to the season. Okay. Well, listen, I agree with you. I think Diggs is a hell of a talent. I think Minnesota's got a great passing game, and I think Kirk Cousins is an upgrade.
Starting point is 00:40:29 I also think they're going to be in a lot of games where they're not going to have to throw the ball that much. And I think Cousins is going to continue to do what he did in Washington, and that's spread it around. Yeah, but didn't you say yesterday that it's a J. Grin thing more so than a Cousins thing? It could be both of them at this point, and I think it would be smart for Minnesota to do that. But one of the reasons why I like Dalvin Cook just like you, Adam, is because I think there's going to be a lot of games where they're up 21-10 in the fourth quarter and they're going to salt the game away. And I don't think that's going to fall on tons of big plays for Diggs and Thielen to do at that point in the game.
Starting point is 00:41:02 I also don't know how many games they're going to be playing from behind. But that's a myth. It's do at that point in the game. I also don't know how many games they're going to be playing from behind. But that's a myth. It's a myth for guys throwing the ball. If they have the ball in their hands more, they're still throwing the ball. And how are they getting leads? They're having leads because they're throwing the ball early in games. I think they'll end up being a little more balanced than you think. I know getting four cousins there is fun,
Starting point is 00:41:18 but I don't think that that's how it's going to end up. I'm okay drafting them round four-ish, five-ish, five-ish Finkel. You're not getting them. I'm probably not. That's okay. I've gotten them a little bit in our box, but there's other receivers that I like better. You might be able to get one of them late round three,
Starting point is 00:41:39 but Thielen and Diggs are firmly in a 12-team league, firmly round three picks. Thielen's the 11th wide receiver off the board, Diggs are firmly in a 12-team league, firmly around three picks. Thielen's the 11th wide receiver off the board. Diggs 14th. And, you know, I guess this theory that Thielen's better in PPR, well, two years ago, Diggs had a lot more catches than Adam Thielen. Diggs had 84 in 13 games, and Thielen had 69 in 16 games. But Thielen wasn't really a part of the offense until like middle
Starting point is 00:42:05 to the end of the season. Yeah, but Diggs looked like a great PPR guy. 84 catches in 13 games. That was Bradford's setting the NFL record for accuracy. Okay, yeah. But now it's three years, three quarterbacks. So, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:21 it's hard to really... For me, for me, these guys are very difficult. I just don't know what to expect. I think Diggs is a better player, so I'd sort of lean him. But maybe this is a running back round for me instead of gambling on these guys. I find it interesting that Phelan is going ahead of Doug Baldwin. That, to me, seems insane. I don't agree with that.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Yeah, that's insane. No, but I do like that Diggs is going ahead of Tyreek Hill. Yeah. I don't like that at all. Yeah, I think Diggs is going to have a much better season. That's interesting. Yeah. So I would be – who has more upside?
Starting point is 00:42:54 Jamie obviously says Diggs. Dave, who has more upside, Theo or Diggs? I'll say – I'm still going to say Thielen I'm trying to come up with it in my mind But Diggs isn't a lock for 16 games Diggs is very up and down I think Thielen can be a little more consistent I like that he's in the slot more
Starting point is 00:43:17 I'll say Thielen Well, Diggs is in the slot more now No, Thielen is in the slot more Are they changing roles again? Last year Diggs was, wasn't he? No, that was two years ago. Well, be a fun offense. Okay, I've got to remind you that Buffalo Wild Wings is a sponsor.
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Starting point is 00:44:18 Drive all the other customers crazy Why is everybody buying things How much in a $100 budget for Diggs and Thielen since they'll be roughly the same? $15. Yeah, I'm not going that high. Maybe in PPR for Thielen. All right.
Starting point is 00:44:39 What do we do next? We've got an ADP review we could do. I want to make sure we do some emails. Let's prioritize that It is Tuesday For the first time in 2018 It is Team Name Tuesday You didn't do this last week when I was out
Starting point is 00:44:54 Oh no, I was on the Tuesday podcast, never mind Okay Dave These are some WWE team names for 2018 You ready? I'm sure they'll be great From Joseph Chubba Ray Dudley. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Walk With Eli-us. Needs improvement. Finn Bagalore. These are terrible. This is how we're introducing Team Name Tuesday in 2018? Kurt Bengals. That's not bad. Kurt Bengals. Yeah, it bad Kurt Bengals That's not great
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Starting point is 00:45:44 Emails. Mercifully. Anthony in Tacoma. Yeah, please send your team name Tuesdays and make them good. Anthony in Tacoma says, Dear Liz, Arnold, Carlos, and Ralphie. I'll look it up. I won both my leagues last year.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Couldn't have done it without you. Thank you very much. We appreciate that, Anthony. This year, I'm feeling loads of pressure to step up my game, maintain my reign. I've been mock drafting to get a lay of the field. One thing I keep noticing is that some of the players I'm targeting for certain draft positions, like Melvin Gordon and Devontae Freeman at the 10 pick, have the same bye week. Okay, quick aside to Anthony.
Starting point is 00:46:22 Don't take Devontae Freeman 10th overall. Is this something to factor into your drafts? Having my RB1 and 2 on bye in the same week might be tough to overcome. What are your thoughts on that? When's the bye week? For them,
Starting point is 00:46:37 I have no idea. Atlanta and LA, week 8. You got 8 weeks to figure it out. There's a very good chance that's not your starting running back by that point. So you don't care? They're the two best players, no. Right. I care a little bit if it's
Starting point is 00:46:54 one of the week four or week five. Like on week four, the Panthers are on by and so are the Redskins. So if your starting running backs are going to be Christian McCaffrey and Darius Geis, you got to start planning now basically to replace them in week four. But if it's
Starting point is 00:47:12 two months into the future, I'm lazy. There's a realistic chance based on ADP you can get Saquon Barkley and Leonard Fournette with your first two picks. Yep, and they both have week nine buys. There are four running backs that have both have week nine buys. Or you can get David.
Starting point is 00:47:28 And there are four running backs that have a buy a week nine that are top 15 to 20 running backs. David Johnson, Saquon Barkley, Leonard Fournette, Joe Mixon. How about long buys? But the other thing that you might want to avoid is you can get Barkley and Beckham. That might not be the best strategy. Why? What's the difference? Just saying, if you want to avoid two guys having the same buy,
Starting point is 00:47:47 not only that, you have the added potential of, like you said before, Adam, quarterback goes down, it's bad for everybody. So if you're trying to avoid these type of things, if you're that type of player, then that's something else, just first two picks. How about you draft a third running back that doesn't have the same
Starting point is 00:48:03 buy week as the first two? Just so you start to get your bases covered. I used to think, though, that maybe having guys on the same bye week is fine. You just kind of lose one week and you're better than everyone else. What if it's week nine and you're four and four? You're desperate for a win. The only time I really look at bye four, you're desperate for a win. The only time I really look at bye week, personally, is two quarterback leagues.
Starting point is 00:48:33 You have to make sure that your backup quarterback doesn't have the same bye. I don't want two quarterbacks with the same bye in a two quarterback league. You could be in a lot of trouble there. There's just nothing on waivers. By the way, that was the Magic School Bus. Liz, Arnold, Carlos, and Ralphie. Next email is from David S. from San Francisco. Dear Brian, Ray, Randy, and Brian. I believe those are 2018 NFL Hall of Famers, or pro football.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Excuse me. As you guys have discussed auction a bit more recently, I'd love to hear what the team thinks of loosely standardizing a conversion for snake draft value to auction value. So round one, out of a $200 budget, I'll just scale it down to $100. Round one,
Starting point is 00:49:15 $30 plus. Round two, $25 to $30. Round three, $20 to $25. Round four, $15 to $20. What do you guys think? Is there a loose conversion of snake draft to auction? That's perfect. Round one, 30 plus? Yeah, I mean, it may be a little high as you go lower, but it's loosely, using that word,
Starting point is 00:49:38 yes. If round one is 30 plus, I do not think round three is 20 plus. Because we just said feeling, you said like 15 bucks for them, right? Yeah, I think you think round three is 20 plus. Because we just said feeling you said like 15 bucks for them, right? I think you get to about 15 plus there. Yeah. Okay. So round one, 30 plus. Round two, 20 to 25, right? And then
Starting point is 00:49:55 15-ish for round three. Okay. That works. This is from Sean from the Queen City, which apparently is Cincinnati. I didn't know that. Dear Christian, Larry, Jamal, and Kareem. These are running backs. Chiefs?
Starting point is 00:50:13 Chiefs running backs. Yes. 12-team, two-quarterback PPR league, and it is a keeper league. 12-team, two-quarterback PPR keeper league. Looking for help with my first-round pick. I'm keeping Mahomes in the 12th round and David Johnson in the 20th round. Nice. Wow. I have the 7th
Starting point is 00:50:32 pick. So, he expects Barkley, Beckham, Julio, Keenan Allen, and Leonard Fournette to be available. Who do you take in the first round? You already have Mahomes and David Johnson. Do you take Barkley, Beckham, Julio, Keenan Allen, and Leonard Fournette to be available. Who do you take in the first round? You already have Mahomes and David Johnson.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Do you take Barkley, Beckham, Julio, Keenan Allen, or Fournette? Barkley. I agree. Barkley it is. James from a city that's the capital of Australia. That's Walkabout Creek, right? Am I crazy? I feel like Australia has multiple capitals.
Starting point is 00:51:11 But apparently Canberra is a capital? Let me know, people. Capital of Australia is Canberra. I'm about to enter a 12-team startup dynasty league. It's the first startup I've ever been in. And there's been some discussion about how to start it. The commissioner wants a veteran draft to fill the rosters and then have a rookie draft after that.
Starting point is 00:51:33 I was in favor of that at first, but the more I think about it, the more I want the rookies in one big draft. I feel like it adds a layer of strategy because you're forced to consider whether you want a rookie for later or a veteran for now. About a 50-50 split on which option people want. What do you guys want? You want a separate rookie draft or you want one big draft with everybody? Is this a job for fantasy regulators?
Starting point is 00:51:54 Let me see if they're around, Dave. Why don't you go look and see if you can find those guys. And let's do it. Let's regulate. Yeah. All right. One big draft or two separate drafts? I think at this point you should go with one big draft.
Starting point is 00:52:18 If you were to do the veterans before the NFL draft, you have your draft then, then you could do the rookies after. I think the time's rightRight just have one big old massive draft. Consider it regulated. All right, next up. We've got Brian in a keeper league. He gets to keep Rodgers, David Johnson, Devontae Freeman, and Amari Cooper.
Starting point is 00:52:41 You can see why I finished last year. Rodgers, David Johnson, Devontae Freeman, and Amari Cooper You can see why I finished last Last year Rodgers, David Johnson, Devante Freeman and Amari Cooper Okay And he also has the first overall pick And he's going to be taking Saquon Barkley An owner with wide receiver depth Offered me Beckham And the fourth overall pick
Starting point is 00:52:58 For Barkley Would you do that? Beckham and the fourth overall pick for Barkley? Yes Okay I don't think I would Oh split I'm a big Barkley fan Big Barkley believer I know you need wide receiver help
Starting point is 00:53:15 So who's he going to get it for? Probably another rookie Not necessarily You depend on who's keeping Everybody's keeping four players, it sounds like. Yeah. So that should knock out a big cut of the top 50 on your draft board. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:53:32 I mean, you probably have teams. I'm going to assume the team that won it probably has more than just four keepers, so they could have six great players, and they're throwing back two. So if I get, let's say worst-case scenario, you're talking about Beckham and Ronald Jones. Would you take that for Barkley? I don't know about that. Not to have Shaquan Barkley for the rest of his career? Beckham, you don't know for the rest
Starting point is 00:53:54 of his career. Yeah, it is. Keep them as long as you want. Now, let me ask you a question. I'm sticking with Barkley. I would rather have Beckham for the rest of his career. Let's say I was guaranteeing you that Barkley is as good as Le'Veon Bell. Would you rather have Le'Veon Bell in his rookie year or Beckham in the number four pick? Beckham in the number four pick.
Starting point is 00:54:18 But you're telling me that Barkley will get better as time goes on? Because Le'Veon certainly got better. Yeah, he'll have the same career path. I'm sticking with Saquon. Okay. From Z-Bone, wants to know how the new NFL rules are going to impact fantasy. The catch rules, the lower the helmet rules. What do you think, guys?
Starting point is 00:54:39 Well, the catch rules should lead to more stats. I don't know if it's going to be noticeable. A few more touchdowns perhaps. I don't think that'll be a big deal. The helmet rules could add on to drives. If it's third down and a defender tackles the wrong way and the refs call it, the offense gets to stay on the field. That'll probably help every team at some point.
Starting point is 00:55:08 Yeah, it's going to drive a lot of teams crazy too. But I don't think there's really anything actionable there. Right. It's going to be good for fantasy because all of it should lead to more numbers. It just might not be very noticeable. And last email from Manny. 12 teams, 6 points per passing touchdown league. Where's Manny from, Dave?
Starting point is 00:55:29 Tulsa, Oklahoma. It's a PPR league and 6 points per passing touchdown. Would you rather have Watson, last round pick, or Thielen, 10th round pick? PPR, 6 points per passing touchdown. I'm keeping Watson. Give me Thielen. You can't find quarterbacks, but this is your last pick. I can find another wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:55:54 You're not going to find 143 targets in round 10. You're right, because he's not going to get 143 targets. But I might find the number one fantasy quarterback in round last. You might. Or you might find a guy that plays four games a game. Oh, I don't want to think about that, though. That's sad. That makes me sad. You guys didn't really
Starting point is 00:56:11 agree on much today. That's fine. That's fun. I like that. Maybe tomorrow will be a brighter day. Thank you, everybody, for listening. We'll come back on hump day and talk fantasy football. I won't say it so suggestively next time. That was disgusting. It's just not appropriate. I won't say it so suggestively next time. That was disgusting.
Starting point is 00:56:27 That's just not appropriate. You didn't like it? My mom is here. She probably heard that through the wall. Jamie, what did you think? Did you like how he said hump day? Very much. I did too.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Hump day. I got to go. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Starting point is 00:56:43 Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. It's alright I've got Le'Veon It's alright Not George Le'Veon It's alright I've got Le'Veon Bell

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