Fantasy Football Today - 08/21: Live Mock Draft! (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 21, 2019

Follow along as we do a 12-team, 0.5 PPR mock draft with our listeners! Find out when to take Ezekiel Elliott, when to take Travis Kelce, when this group of listeners decided it was time to get into the second tier of WRs and much more ... Is T.Y. Hilton too risky in Round 3? Amari Cooper went late due to his foot issue. Check out what happened when it felt like we were reaching for WRs in Round 4 ... Why drafting a lot of RBs early can certainly work, why doing the exact opposite can work, why we differ on Ronald Jones and much more from the later rounds ... Email us at [e-mail] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today,

a podcast that everyone listens to. I'm Will Brinson. That's enough. No. That's enough, Will. Oh, no. He's back. Oh, no.

All right. You've taken over enough here on the Fantasy Football Today podcast. Welcome, everyone, to the show. Very excited for today's show. Will is still here. Hey, Will. What's up? What's up, Adam?

How are you doing? Good job. Thanks for having me for a second day. Yeah. This is a great, great episode last night. Hope everybody enjoyed it. Dave Richards here. Hey, Dave. That crossover was amazing. It lasted five seconds.

Well done. We had a whole bonus episode of your podcast. I know, I know, I know. But this one, five seconds long. Let Will hang and host for a little bit. Let's see what he can do. You know what the problem was? He was doing Adam's job better than Adam.

That was the second best intro we ever had. The first one was the crossover episode. That's two great intros in a row then. We are doing a live mock draft. We are doing it right now. So let's get right back to it. And I am actually on the clock with the third pick. And I'm so happy that Alvin Kamara is there.

I didn't want McCaffrey. I wanted Kamara. So I am taking... Oh, I also will play some walk-up music a little later for everybody. All right, so it's 12 teams. It's half point PPR. It's half PPR.

12 teams, half PPR, two running backs, two receivers, a flex, obviously a quarterback tight end, kicker DST, and four or five bench spots. We only have 40 seconds on the clock, so the picks are going to come fast here. Fourth overall was actually DeAndre Hopkins. So let's see. Will's on deck. He has the sixth pick. Let's see when Ezekiel Elliott goes. We all would have taken him fourth, right? I will take him if he's there.

I mean, this is easy for me in this 4-5-6 range because it's either you take Zeke if somebody lets him fall or with the PPR factor, you just go Hopkins or Devante Adams, whoever's left. I mean, right? That's pretty much simple.

It depends on your wrist thrush. Hopkins or your favorite receiver. Devontae Adams is, I think, fifth for me, third or fourth for Dave. Sure. Who would you take above Devontae Adams? Julio, Juju. You do Julio and Juju? Oh, really?

Just Julio. Okay. Interesting. Well, Cruz Mosqueda has... He's got 30 seconds. ...has cruised out of here. Yeah, one of our draftees is currently not drafting, so I'm going to just take Ezekiel Elliott for him

if he doesn't make his pick. His clock didn't even run out yet. What? That's insane. Give him the full clock. I just did, and I had to suspend it and then reset it. You weren't paying attention. We've done that for you multiple times throughout the years. All right, so I'm going to give him Zeke,

and that's going to put Will on the clock now with the sixth pick. Will wanted walk-up music, so. Ooh, this is good, Will. I've never heard this song. All right, Will, what do you got? It's about a meth lab. I've never heard this song. Unbelievable. All right, well, what do you got? It's about a meth lab. I'll take... Well, now Heath's got me shook, but I'll just take

Devontae Adams. All right, Devontae Adams. I don't really like the spot. I'd rather be 10 or 11 and get to see who falls. I hate being 12th. That's where I'm at. We do all agree that Hopkins is the number one. Yes, I do.

Jamie has Adams. You have Juju above. I have Juju too. I like it. It's bold. By the way, I'm Heath Cummings. Adam never intro'd me. Oh, everybody knows who you are, Heath. I'm up now. I don't get walk-up music. There we go. Come on. You get walk-up music there we go come on you get walk-up oh

that's good yeah yeah that's good the heat is on well the heat oh this heat is on sorry i misheard that 80s music the heat the heat is on all right all right all right heath what do you got uh i took michael thomas i'm probably going to start zero running back again which it turns out i do in every draft now. Well, I definitely do it when I'm picking 10th. We'll see who Dave goes with here. I assume he's going to take Travis Keltz. I didn't have him.

Dave is up. This is my walk-up music. I love this. All right, Dave's got this kind of a catchy jingle overall. What was that? I just can't hear anything in my head. It's not turned off at all. That was the Friday night is a great night for football theme from The Last Boy Scout.

Do you remember The Last Boy Scout? Of course, of course. Okay. Just one of an all-time classic football film, if there ever was one. So let's talk here because the picks are coming off the board. Dave took Travis Kelsey and Odell Beckham, 12 and 13. Ben Schrager is our producer. He's in this

league. He's picking 11th. He just took Tyreek Hill. He took David Johnson 11th and then Tyreek Hill. Will, which start do you like better? David Johnson and Tyreek Hill or Travis Kelsey and Odell Beckham? Well, as Heath and I detailed on the Pick 6 podcast, our daily NFL podcast, not my

podcast. adam was on there yesterday but i think i'm out on david johnson i'm with i'm with heath i'm out i don't want david johnson um i have i have a moral quandary with tyree kill as well so uh i would vastly prefer dave's spot i also think that the important thing to note here too is that like because a lot of people i'm on the clock a lot of people have um these issues they'll be like hey you know who should i take um you know like should i have the fifth pick or the 12th pick i get to draft my i get to pick my draft spot which one would you rather have i would much rather have 12 than 5 12 and 6 for sure i'd definitely rather have 10 and that's where i was right in the same group alvin cook is not out here and i feel really good about 12 it's a i don't i don't mind 12 at all in the first round i really hate 12 after that adam i'm trying to

make a pick and i'm gonna take uh good mixing all right we're gonna pause it after round two and sort of recap everything that's going on but i thought nick chubb nick chubb going after david johnson after james connor was picked by the way, eighth and ninth overall, going after Le'Veon Bell. Heath took Le'Veon. So you still have Le'Veon over Nick Chubb, half PPR? Yeah, I'm going to take Le'Veon over Chubb in anything where catches count. I'm a little bit concerned in non-PPR

if the Jets' offense is bad, how good Le'Veon can be, but I think he's going to kick a ton of passes. We've already talked about how this Jetsets offense looks better than we thought it would. Darnold has played really great football this preseason. He's right on time with his receivers, and Le'Veon should catch a lot of passes. He's not going to get as many touches as he had with Pittsburgh, and the offensive line isn't going to be as good, but I think we can maybe put like another little brick of trust on Adam Gase now and say, okay, maybe Adam Gase,

even with the crazy eyes and the sniffing salts and the weird beard, maybe he knows what he's doing after all. I, I have, I've been tortured by Adam Gase for three years, two preseason games, two quarters of a preseason game are not going to give me any more faith, but we're running away from David Johnson after one quarter of a preseason game are not going to give me any more faith but we're running away from david johnson after one quarter of a preseason but it wasn't worth this pick all of last year i think it's weird well i do neither was levy on bill i'm not gonna question your opinion i do think one thing to note about adam gaze like whether or not you want to trust adam gaze is sort of irrelevant but i do think and i tweeted this out the other day i think that adam

gaze and sam darnold are a perfect quarterback and coach for fit from a scheme perspective because sam darnold this is what he ran at usc these short little crossers these dump downs the easy plays the easy throws that's what adam gaze is going to get and if you have levy on bell and you paid him a bunch of money it would be like borderline impossible not to get him involved in that sort of scheme yeah and so that's but i'm not i'm not going to own any levy on bell because i'd rather have chubb mixon or dalvin cook and the and or any of the wide receivers and like bell's either going late in the first or middle of the second i'm just not gonna like by virtue of where he's being drafted i won't own him but i think he could

have a fine season i just don't you know i'm just not gonna have it i think the fit works but i'm not gonna be invested all right guys i'm pausing the draft so it. I think the fit works, but I'm not going to be invested. All right, guys. I'm pausing the draft so we can talk about the first two rounds because I think it's pretty interesting here. It's a half PPR league and running backs. What are you laughing at over there? He thinks it's funny that somebody took Chris Carson at the end of the round. I think you haven't ranked in the second round. I do.

I am on board. Will's laughing at your rankings. Well, yeah. Well, I'm laughing at Will's rank. Okay. So let me go through the rounds real well, I'm laughing at Will's rank. Okay. So let me go through the rounds real quick, and we'll talk about Chris Carson. But, yeah, running backs went pretty early, and then it's half PPR, not full PPR,

so we'll keep that in mind. Round one was Barkley, McCaffrey, Kamara, Hopkins, Zeke, Devontae Adams, Julio Jones, Juju Smith-Schuster. Do we have any issues with Juju Smith-Schuster going eighth overall ahead of Connor Thomas, David Johnson, et cetera? I wouldn't do it. That's just me. But I understand the allure of a high-volume type of pass catcher in the

Steelers' offense. He's not going to come. If you want him and you're at eight, you have to take him at eight because he's not going to be there on the back. Right. He might. He might. I was hoping.

No, I don't think so. I was hoping he'd make it at 10. I was taking him there. You know for sure he's not going to make it back to you if Heath Cummings is in your draft and he's got two picks before your second pick. James Conner, Michael Thomas, David Johnson at 11, Travis Kelsey at 12. Then Dave turned around. He took Odell Beckham, Tyreek Hill, Le'Veon Bell, Nick Chubb.

See, I just love that. 16on Bell, Nick Chubb. See, I just love that. 16th overall, Nick Chubb. That's so far. I mean, they're all great picks, but I love it. Nick Chubb is going to be a monster. I mean, the annoying thing about the Duke Johnson trade is that it condensed his value. Duke Johnson wasn't going to affect his value that much anyway.

I agree. But Duke Johnson being traded moved Nick Chubb from a late late second round pick that you were going to get a steal on the guy that you have to take early in the second round and if you are if you have a top five pick you're just not going to get to look at him and by the way don trail hilliard is a little banged up right now so they might have to start the season with nick chubb is the lead back and his backup nick chubb this carry Kerryon Johnson heat is out of control. Well, hold on. Yeah, so here's what happened after Nick Chubb.

We go to 17 overall, and Mike Evans gets taken, and that's the eighth wide receiver off the board, and Mike Evans, like I said on pick six yesterday, Mike Evans is just, or this morning, the number eight wide receiver, it seems like, almost all the time. He is in a tier of his own. And then what happened after that?

Six running backs in a row to end the second round. Nobody's dipped into the Keenan Allen, T.Y. Hilton, Amari Cooper group yet. So we got Dalvin Cook. Will took Joe Mixon. Leonard Fournette. Todd Gurley, who I was going to take at 22. Todd Gurley went 21.

22 overall, I took Kerryon Johnson. Then Chris Carson. And then George Kittle. So is that six running backs in a row? Yeah, six running backs in a row, and then George Kittle at the end of round two. I'm going to unpause the draft in a second. But what's your reaction to that, guys? People not so far, eight wide receivers off the board,

haven't gotten to that next tier yet. I think they're going to go right now. My next pick is either going to be keenan allen or adam theelin um unless they're both gone but i'll uh so anyway uh what do you think what do you think i think this is what should happen in draft i don't know if it will happen in every draft because i think some people still could take receiver in late round two but there's going to be a drop off at running back soon the drop off has already happened at wide receiver this is this is what this makes perfect sense to me to have these running backs go late round two and i think they're great values on top of it this is what

is happening in real life like non-expert drafts like i did one on i did one on saturday with a bunch of friends and you know you have patrick mahomes at six overall even though it's a four point passing league but i mean like that it happens, right? That's real life. You're like undercover mocks that you do. Kerryon Johnson, if you want Kerryon Johnson, you cannot wait until the third round to take him. No. People are taking him in the second round. And I got Michael Thomas coming back to me.

I wasn't going to take Kerryon over him. I was hoping Kerryon would fall in the third round. It's just not happening. The other thing to keep in mind is that if you are in a draft where receivers do sneak into late round to the Keenan Allen's Adam Thielen's Antonio Brown's, I think you'll see that there could be a little group of running back, maybe three of them from Chris Carson, maybe girlies in that mix, maybe four nets in that mix where you can say, okay, one of those guys will be there for me in early round three.

I can afford to skip the running back position in late round two and either splurge on a tight end, splurge on Mahomes if he's still there like he is in this draft, or take a wide receiver that you would normally prefer to take in round three, but you get the guy you want then knowing that you'll find the running back that you'll settle for in round three. I think this is the most interesting inflection point of the early part of all fantasy drafts right now because I'm on the clock and I'm deciding between Marlon Mack and T.Y. Hilton. And if you look at the drop-off at wide receiver, you got Edelman, T.Y. Hilton, Stefan Diggs, Amari Cooper, Cooks, Robert Woods.

And then to me, there's a tier before Tyler. Like it's Tyler Lockett and Chris Godwin and Cooper Cupp and Kenny Galladay. I don't think any of those top guys will be left for me on the way back. So I'm going to take B.Y. Hilton here and take him on the discount. Let me talk about Andrew Luck, though.

So the Andrew Luck thing, I mean, it's easy to draft Luck even if he's hurt. Let me tell you about Jacoby Brissett. He's going to go so late. You say that funny, but you know what? I love Jacoby Brissett. He looked great. No, the first two possessions were like three and outs, weren't they? He looked crappy, and then he looked really good after that. No, he didn't.

Against backups. He had a pass drop. He was on target with all but one deep ball. Did you see the first preseason game? He was dreadful. Obviously, there's going to be a downgrade for T.Y. Hilton if Andrew Luck's not playing, obviously. I agree.

But that's why it's also not going to— I hope it's not going to be all season long. And I think T.Y. Hilton's numbers will be okay. Look, I'm not taking him where Will took him. I would prefer to take him toward the end of round three. But I still think he's got redeemable qualities. I'm not writing him off like I am some other guys. My favorite player when Will was up is still available,

so I'm just going to take him. Stephon Diggs. All right, so round three so far has been Keenan Allen, Antonio Brown, Adam Thielen, Zach Ertz, Damian Williams, T.Y. Hilton, Marlon Mack, Devante Freeman, Julian Edelman, and Stefan Diggs. Let me just say, Marlon Mack, by the way, in terms of first team reps in that game on Saturday, was all over the field. He was in on passing downs. Naeem Hines barely played with the first team. So I don't know what to make of that, but that could be huge for Marlon Mack's value if he's in on more passing downs. Naeem Hines barely played with the first team. So I don't know what to make of that, but that could be huge for Marlon Mack's value if he's in on more passing downs.

It would be huge for his value. And now I'm on the clock, and lots of receivers are left. There's only one running back left that I really like, and that's Josh Jacobs. So I'm probably going to end up taking him. Mahomes is still on the clock. He's 36th and 37th overall. Do I want him bad enough at this spot

when I've already got just a tight end and one wide receiver? I'm going to say no. I'm not going to do it in this draft. I did it in another draft. I'm going to guess he's not going to make it past 40th overall. No, he's probably not. Is that your opinion?

By the way, the one thing on the T.Y. Hilton thing, Stevon Diggs and Adam Thielen have to split targets. And that's fine. There's plenty of targets to go around, but they also have Irv Smith and Kyle Rowe. Robert Woods and Brandon Cooks have to split targets. T.Y. Hilton's not splitting targets with either of those guys. Well, he kind of is.

What, T.Y. Hilton? Yeah. On his team? Who's he splitting targets with? They added a bunch of... They added Paris Campbell. They've got Eric Ebron not gonna get 150 target he'll get 130 maybe yeah he'll get 140 probably 135 130 is not very good to be an elite receiver that's not very good i and you know what we're all we're all out of

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everybody. We are into round three. Dave took Josh Jacobs and Brandon Cooks. Remember, it's not a three-receiver league. It is half PPR. Dave, are you regretting not taking Patrick Mahomes? As of now, I'm not. I don't think I will either. If this were a 10-team league, I would have done it, but I feel like I put myself at a disadvantage If I spend two of my first five, much less two of my first four picks on a quarterback and a tight end, it's definitely going to leave me thin at either running back or wide receiver, or it's going to make my bench really, really ugly. I did this in a 14 team draft where I took both of them. And yeah, I mean, my, my bench is deli slice thin. It's bad. So I don't want to do that here and I'll see, I know I'm going to get a good value of quarterback

later. So I'm not too worried. I do think the one spot you would be okay doing it as if you 12 to I agree 14 team league, you don't want to do it, but a 12 team, 12 team league. I did it. You sure did. Yeah. Dave did it.

12 team league. If you can go, if you can get a good value at like a Kittle in the third round or arts in the third round, and then you can get Aaron Rogersgers in the fifth, Aaron Rodgers in the sixth, Mahomes in the third, whatever it is, at that point you probably have to commit and go 0RB. But there are a ton of 0RB options out there. That's what I did in that 14-team draft. Other time you would want to do it, and you're about ready to be timed out here, Will,

and I just did it, I think is in a league where you only have to start two wide receivers. That's what this one is. We've only got two running backs. We've only got two receivers. And I am fully behind and embrace the weight on quarterback. And that's what we should do. And we've told you and told you and told you, don't take Patrick Mahomes in the first.

Don't take Patrick Mahomes in the second. He's not going to match what he did last year, but he is, if he comes within going to match what he did last year but he is if he comes within 90 of what he did last year and you were getting him in the fourth round that is an absolutely stunning value right you should take him there it's not about purposely waiting for a quarterback until around 10 it's about waiting until you get one at a great value and that's exactly what i hate everything about this draft spot it is awful like i don't want melvin gordon i don't want any of these you're gonna go with chris godwin i was either gonna do chris godwin or kenny galladay when you don't know what to do in a fantasy draft

you gotta close your eyes and take put your palms together and pray to godwin this godwin hype is out of control oh it is it's out of control i disagree i think he's gonna get a lot of volume in the offense and score a bunch of that. What if, what if Jameis stinks? Well, that's not going to happen. He could stay. He always stinks.

He always stinks. Everybody's like, Oh, James, look, that's why I'm not ranking Jameis in my top 10 quarterback, but I still think he's proven to create good numbers from receivers. But if Chris Godwin breakout is definitely going to happen, Jameis Winston is going to be a top 10 quarterback. Or Mike Evans is getting hurt. Or he throws 30 interceptions.

You didn't think about that now, did you? Well, that doesn't seem like a realistic possibility. I said that before his rookie season, and the GM quoted me about it later. That was not fun. He said, some people said he was going to throw 30 interceptions. He only threw 24. I want to talk about my dilemma right now, guys.

All right, so this is what happens when you draft running backs early and then you got good running back value on the board and bad wide receiver value on the board. I have Kamara and Kerryon Johnson. They were my first two picks. Adam Thielen was my third pick. And now the best wide receivers left are like A.J. Green, Calvin Ridley, Tyler Boyd. It feels early for all of them.

But this is my point about the, like, this is the problem. If you get that quarterback or get that tight end, or if I'd gone Marlon Mack instead of T.Y. Hilton, I would be facing the same dilemma. That's why I would rather take that wide receiver early. I just don't think there's that big a difference between Chris Godwin and Tyler Boyd and Calvin Ridley. I agree.

Chris Godwin is not in the elite category. He is a wide receiver two on a team that's going to pass a lot. That's just Calvin Ridley. I took Calvin Ridley. I took Ridley 46. These are the types of receivers that are available. By the way, Ridley and the Falcons don't play outside.

I know. We've talked about it. They only play three games outdoors all year. Yeah. receivers that are available by the way ridley ridley and the falcons don't play outside i know we've talked about they only play three games outdoors all year yeah i mean they're gonna know we know i mean just make it i've got matt ryan ranked fourth for a reason will thank you make sure you know that i know so anyway i i feel like i reached a little bit at that pick i know nobody's listening to me right now no but you know what you did adam you did exactly what i talked about doing in round two and round three you realize that there's depth at running back you know someone's going to make it back to you and there wasn't a lot that you liked left at wide receiver so you took the wide receiver that you would normally want to take in round five you took them a little bit early and late round four

i think that's okay don't beat yourself up over that one i think that smart move oh thank you dave that actually made me feel better all right so now i'm back on the clock as we're into round five and i'll recap round four. Look at the names that are still available. Easy pick here. To me, it's Tevin Coleman or AJ Green. No. Don't tell him.

He's not going to tell him. I don't think I want to take a tight end here. I think I want to take Tevin Coleman or AJ Green. Oh, man. Hey, I didn't reset that. Who reset that? I didn't do that. Oh, who? No. I don't know. Maybe it was just a little slip up on the side.

I swear I didn't reset my clock. Oh, I didn't even notice. The clock reset. Adam, I can't believe you did that. I took Tevin Coleman. What was the pick I should have made, Heath? Ingram? Melvin Gordon. I was having Ingram I missed Melvin Gordon you're not getting any of the tight ends now uh sorry yeah it is a little hard

yeah I thought I thought you might have rolled the dice on Melvin Gordon yeah maybe I should have welcome to welcome to the Vance McDonald's drive-thru buddy no it's a lady walker I'll get the lady I should just throw this mic down and leave, shouldn't I? Thanks for being here, Will. So let me just recap round four and tell me if any picks are really good or really bad. Brandon Cooks, Robert Woods, Patrick Mahomes. How about Amari Cooper going to 40th overall with the news that he has plantar fasciitis or like a sort of plantar fasciitis? What do we think about that? That's the latest I've seen Cooper go.

It's good value. I've had plantar fasciitis too it will ruin your life oh i wouldn't say it'll ruin it'll ruin your ability to run hard 60 times a game yeah yeah 60 times in a three-hour span that's gonna really hurt i don't think it ruins your life okay so tell me why i should take a man tell me why i should take evan ingram over hunter henry here oh because he's got a chance to finish as like a top 20 type of receiver whereas hunter henry i don't think has that type of upside i think ingram i think ingram is going to be the number one target in his offense and i think hunter henry well it depends on keenan allen if he announced there is more likely to realize that upside i agree with that i wouldn't say hunter henry doesn't have that upside we could just go back to philip rivers treating henry like antonio gates and henry could be a 900 yard

receiver with double digit touchdowns i think that's i think that's very possible now you got to be a little bit careful too like it's i found myself and maybe just kind of a chargers homer but i found myself like almost accidentally just kind of a Chargers homer, but I found myself, like, almost accidentally ending up with, like, multiple Chargers passing weapons. Would you feel comfortable having Keenan Allen and Hunter Henry on the same team? In a draft yesterday, I ended up with Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, and Sammy Watkins. But that's not the same thing.

Right, because it's the Chiefs. Is the Chargers a different story? I don't think so. No, I think it's okay. Okay. I mean, I am a little worried about Keenan Allen and his ability to play football. Wait, what?

Yeah, I mean, he's beat up right now. He's got an ankle injury. I think his injuries thing is like overblown. He just had the ankle, knee, I don't know what it is. An ACL tear, like, you know, what are you going to do? I know. He's played 16 games the last two seasons, so I'm not calling him injury prone,

but it's not good when you're hurt before week one. So back to the original question. What do you think about Amari Cooper going 40? What was it? 40th overall? I said that's good value. You didn't really talk about it. You talked about playing over shadows.

When would you take Amari Cooper? Fourth round. Yeah, I might go late round three. Okay. After Cooper was taken. You would only have T.Y. Hilton than Amari Cooper, right? I would. Okay, I would. You wouldn't or wouldn't?

I would, yeah. I would. Yeah. Tyler Lockett and David Montgomery went 41st and 42nd overall. What do you think about that? Lockett's fine. I'm a little bit worried about Montgomerygomery that early it has nothing to do with his talent or his ability i'm just i don't really think tarik cohen's going to lose touches from

last year he may not gain any that's kind of what we thought at the beginning of the summer but if he keeps the same number of touches mike evans gets 80 touches there's not enough for david montgomery to be worth a fourth round pick but i just think the way that they use tarik cohen they're not tarik cohen is not a running back he's more like their poor man's tyreek hill in that often yeah but with more carries more more carry sure but i mean you know like i don't know david montgomery i mean jordan howard was there i think what they want david montgomery to be is jordan howard but without the obvious tell that they're running the ball yeah and if he can be that, then he's going to be at worst in RB2.

Okay. So what is Mike Davis? What is Mike Davis involved? The fantasy industry is like all over. I mean, Mike Davis is fine. He's good. I don't think he's going to be heavily involved. Everybody's like, Mike Davis is going to destroy. If Mike Davis

gets six carries a game, it destroys David Montgomery being an RB2. I want to hear what Adam Azer has to say. I'm curious because David Montgomery, so the recent report that we see on Yahoo from Therese Paylor, Chicago is in love with David Montgomery. Again, we've talked about this for a long time. This is part of the reason.

Did you see how the team reacted to his touchdown? I know they love him. They're crazy about him. They love his style of play. So is Mike Davis getting nothing? I think Mike Davis is going to get Chester Taylor. You remember Chester Taylor when the Bears signed him way back when? They gave him $7 million and then he ended up doing Jack's squat.

The other thing about David Montgomery is if the Bears are the team that we think they are, and they have a really good defense. You hate the Bears. I do hate them. You think the Bears' defense is going to be terrible. Their offense is going to be terrible. I've seen it all over Twitter.

You've been fighting with Bears fans for two weeks about how bad the Bears are. I think the Bears will clearly have a top-10 defense, right? And if the Bears are going to close out any games, they're going to do it by running the ball late. And that's when David Montgomery takes over. And I get that we shouldn't read too much into the preseason. But I think the one thing you want to look at when you read into the preseason, in my opinion, is running backs. And you can see it with the style of play that David Montgomery has that he can be a very special running back in this league if he's given enough touch.

All right, let me recap the rest of round four and round five here. The draft is paused for the moment. So after those pretty interesting picks of Lockett and Montgomery, who are, I would say, risers, Galladay, Kupp, Godwin, Cooper Kupp 44th overall. Well, these receivers got pushed up.

There's a bit of a receiver run. Kupp, Godwin, Calvin Ridley. We only have one quarterback off the board at this point. Keep that in mind. That's another reason why these wide receivers. Nope, there's two. No, at this point in the draft where I'm reading.

Right? Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, still in round four. Yes. Calvin Ridley, Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry. Would we all have taken Tevin Coleman over Derrick Henry for the record? Yes. Yes.

Especially at half point PBR. Yeah. All right. So. Standard league too. I think those picks make sense in terms of the rankings we go into round 5 now and now the tight ends are going to start coming off the board Deshaun Watson was the first

pick of round 5 cool with that that was like 8 picks after Mahomes excellent yeah love the addition of Duke Johnson for him Josh Gordon definitely a guy I was considering by the way over Calvin Ridley I mean Excellent. Okay. Yeah. Love the addition of Duke Johnson for him. Josh Gordon. Definitely a guy I was considering, by the way, over Calvin Ridley. I mean, if I knew both were playing 16 games,

I do think Gordon would have better numbers than Ridley. How do you feel about that? I'm not sure. I have them projected very, very similarly over 16 games, and I would rather have Gordon in non-PPR. I'd rather have Ridley in PPR. In half PPR, it's probably a push. You can't reasonably expect Josh Gordon to play 16 games. Nope.

I mean, it's like expecting Melvin Gordon to play 16 games this year. It's just like there's so much unknown about it that if you're drafting Josh Gordon to be your wide receiver one or wide receiver two, which you're probably going to have to do now given where he's going. It's a lot of risk. It's just a guy who has a sordid past and anything could pop up at any moment with Josh Gordon and he could just disappear.

Tevin Coleman, Melvin Gordon. You guys want to tell me, I took Tevin Coleman. I didn't actually see Melvin Gordon on the board. I apologize for that, but I guess I probably want to take him. Melvin Gordon over Coleman. That's what we should do?

No, I dig Coleman. taken Melvin Gordon over Coleman. That's what we should do? No. I dig Coleman. I would too. All right. Dude, if the Chargers are not going to raise their offer to Gordon and Gordon is legitimately locked in on this holdout, he's not coming back until weekend. Yeah.

And it's going to be a Lev Bell situation. OJ Howard, Evan Ingram, go back to back. Then Tyler Boyd, who really could get off to great. So Tyler Boyd, Phillip Lindsey, 56th overall. How do we feel about that value? Oh, I'm fine. Right around where he should be. AJ Green.

Sorry. Which Bengals wide receiver do you have higher, Green or Boyd? I have Boyd higher. Green. Green. Sorry. Which Bengals wide receiver do you have higher, Green or Boyd? I have Boyd higher. Green. Green. Okay. And then Heath took Hunter Henry, Ben Schrager took Sonny Michel, and Dave took DJ Moore to finish out round five.

How did you feel about that pick, Dave? I didn't love it. It was more of a best player available type pick. And I also have a difficult choice to make here about Aaron Rodgers versus James White. I need a running back. I need a quarterback. The running backs that are left are James White,

Austin Eckler, Miles Sanders, and I need a starter. So I'm, I'm going to end up going with the safest running back starter left. No spoilers. Not going to have fun with this one and go with Sanders. You think it's definitely wide over Cohen?

No spoilers. It's wide over. We're going to take a's wide over we're gonna take a break when we come back dave richards gonna tell us who he's taking to start round six metro links and cross links are reminding everyone to be careful as eglinton crosstown lrt train testing is in progress please be alert as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals. Be careful along our tracks and only make left turns

where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Dave, you're on the clock with the six pick. Who do you have so far with your six pick? Right.

So I took Travis Kelsey and Odell Beckham back to back. And then I took Josh Jacobs and Brandon Cooks back to back. And I've got these crummy back to back picks again. And I know Aaron Rodgers is staring me in the face. And I know it's great value in round six to take him. But I'm staying away from him. I'm going to go with James White. He's going to be the safest running back that's available at this point.

Half PPR helps his value quite a bit. And he's going to be the safest running back that's available at this point. Half PPR helps his value quite a bit, and he's going to be my number two running back. It's not sexy, it's not scintillating, but it's just being the responsible fantasy manager that I am. I kind of hate it. I don't know how safe he is in half PPR. I don't like

White or Cohen. I think he's totally safe in half PPR. White? I don't like either of them. You're taking Eckler over White? I'm taking Tariq Cohen over White. Oh my gosh, so let's talk about guys who are so safe. I am taking Austin Eckler. Yes, I'm going to set my team up.

I've got Michael Thomas and Levy on Bell in the first two rounds. Then I took Stephon Diggs in round three, Patrick Mahomes in round four, Hunter Henry in round three, Patrick Mahomes in round four, Hunter Henry in round five, so I did take a quarterback in tight end with two of my first five picks. And I still got Austin Eckler as my number two running back, so I've just got to find

a running back for the final six weeks of the season now, because I've got starters for the first ten weeks. Yeah, if Melvin doesn't play, you're in pretty good shape. It's just terrific. And if he does play, you'll draft a lot more running backs now. You're going to have to, right? You're going to have to kind of have a backup plan in case Gordon shows up. And that's sort of Heath's MO anyway, though.

Yeah, I'll probably take five more running backs. Maybe four to five more running backs. Who are some that you might be targeting? I don't think I'm going to tell you that. No, you've got to tell us. We're not going to do the rest of this draft on the podcast? No, we are, but I think it's important for the listeners. We're not going to do the rest of this draft on the podcast? No, we are, but I think it's important for the listeners.

I was going to tell them as I targeted them, but okay. That's fine. Heath is mentioned on here. He's thinking about Adrian Peterson and Chris Thompson, Jalen Rashard, TJ Anderson. I'd love to get Latavius Murray. I am interested in taking

someone like Kalen Balazs or Miles Sanders. I might take LaShawn McCoy in round 10 plus again. And then you get into those rookies, the Darwin Thompsons, the Devin Singletaries, the Daryl Hendersons, those

guys a little bit later. Why didn't you take Lamar Miller? I feel like you've always been the Lamar Miller guy. Yeah, I don't think there's as much upside, at least until Melvin Gordon comes back for Lamar Miller as there is for Austin Eckler. Okay. Interesting to note, by the way, I'm on the clock. Your boy Cruz, who showed up late, wanted Le'Veon Bell at five. If he'd taken Le'Veon Bell, I would have had Zeke at six and Heath would have gone, maybe gotten Juju at ten. If he'd taken Le'Veon Bell, I would have had Zeke at six, and Heath would have gone

maybe got Juju at ten. I probably would have had Michael Thomas and Tyreek. To set up my team very quickly, I'm going to clock and I'm taking Miles Sanders so the clock doesn't run out. I opened up with Devontae Adams at six, then came back and got Joe Mixon in the second round, T.Y.

Hilton in the third round, snagged Kenny Galladay in this weird mall void of the fourth round, Evan Ingram in the fifth, and then Miles Sanders in the sixth. I feel pretty good about my team. I mean, T.Y. obviously can be a wide receiver one if luck comes back and is healthy. I think Miles Sanders is kind of underrated in drafts right now. If he's the guy in Philly, and it's the first time

Howie Roseman, I believe, has ever used his own high picks, like sans Andy Reid, a high pick on a running back. Evan Ingram, as we mentioned, is a himmer, Hunter Henry, whatever. Give me one of those guys. And I'm perfectly fine

with Kenny Galladay, a potential third-year breakout wide receiver, even in a run-heavy offense, as my flex. All right, some of the other picks. Well, actually, I'll recap round six in a bit, but I just made a pick that I really want your feedback on.

I took Latavius Murray 70th overall, half PPR. It feels a little early. I would not have done it if I didn't have Alvin Kamara, but I felt like Latavius Murray has value independently of Kamara, but also would be probably a superstar if Alvin Kamara got hurt. So I felt it was important for me to invest two picks in my first six in that Saints backfield, and I'm okay with it. I want to know if you think that was an okay strategy to take both of those guys.

And now I have four running backs, and I'm probably just going to load up on high upside receivers now going forward. I don't love it. I don't think you needed to do it. I have a hard time believing that one of the two people between you and your next pick were going to take Latavius Murray there because he just doesn't ever go in the top 75. Zach was going to do it.

As soon as I took, he said, no, he was going to take him. He might have, but it's fine. fine i'm worried your wide receivers are i mean and i'm not i'm not doing the usual like brinson trash's azer draft thing that i like to joke about in the chat like i like your wide receivers are a pretty big concern yeah oh and i'm about to take i mean feeling really really is yeah i mean but like feeling i feel i mean feeling's not going to do what he if you get the second half of 2018 Adam Thielen, you have a major, major problem on your hands. This is a Dave Richards circa 2012 through 2017.

Yeah, that's right. With four running backs in the first six rounds when you can only start three. Yeah, and you know what? I'm okay with that because here's why. I know now that I'm waiting on tight end. Tight end's going to be one of my last picks. And quarterback as well.

So I just took Will Fuller as my third wide receiver and potentially a flex. I'm just going to build out depth at running back and wide receiver and mostly wide receiver. I'm going to take high upside guys. My team right now through seven picks is Kamara, Kerryon Johnson, Tevin Coleman at flex with Adam Thielen, Calvin Ridley, and Will Fuller at wide receiver one of those guys will be on the bench um I like Will Fuller a lot I I actually am okay with this team it's not going to look great but I think you know there's I I'm gonna have good running

backs I'm gonna have four running backs to use granted two are on the same team and that's important and uh I you know zero RB does work but it's it's better to do zero RB at the back end of the draft. Remember, I had the third overall pick. So, yeah, I went heavy on running back, and I'm okay with it. I think I'm going to end up liking this team. I actually like it. I wish my number two wide receiver were better, but I'm cool with it. All right, Will, you're on the clock.

So after this round. This spot stinks. What do you got? So this is your seventh pick. I think I'm going to go either it's either Mike Williams or Allen Robinson. Hold on. Can I put something in your mind? Yeah, you sure can, Dave.

Are you thinking quarterback? No. Because there's a lot of good value at quarterback, and you're at 78th overall in the draft. I mean, Cam maybe. I think Cam or Carson Wentz will come back in eight. And I think these wide receivers will come off the board because the running

backs are terrible. So I'm going to take Mike Williams as a potential touchdown hog in the Georgia's offense. Okay. Do I hate or hate that pick? I mean, I don't like, I pretty much hate it.

Okay. I don't, I, we don't know. We don't know what he is. We don't know how good he can be. Do you have Hunter Henry too? No,

or he took on it. No, no, I went to Ingram. can be. Do you have Hunter Henry, too? No, or Heath took Hunter Henry. No, no, I went Ingram. Yeah, if I'd gone Hunter Henry, I wouldn't have gone Michael. It's interesting because there's a receiver run going on that you would have missed out on if you hadn't taken one. Well, no, that's what I'm saying. Look at the running backs. Nobody is taking these running backs.

I think those quarterbacks will sit there for one more round, and so you pretty much have to plant your flag on what receiver do you want out of Sammy Watkins, cory davis i probably should have gone to manuel sanders there but he's a 31 year old guy that's early that round seven for manual that's just where he's going man i don't know if that's where he's going against a lot of these uh receivers that we're talking about i don't think it's too far off we're talking about emmanuel sanders and i'm still i think he'll come back to you okay like i don't know i don't want dante pettis right now we're lar about Emmanuel Sanders and I'm still I think he'll come back to you okay like I don't want Dante Pettis right now or Larry Fitz no I mean like I think there's just as much a chance that Mike Williams can break out as there is that Alan Robinson has a monster season Sterling

Sterling Shepard could be a really good player but I already had Evan Ingram that was probably the tiebreak for me Sterling Shepard or Mike Williams did I have Hunter Henry or Evany you know I mean like I don't want to I don't want to be all in on the Giants. Yeah, that's a bad offense to be on. You don't say that out loud when you walk out of a draft. All right, got all the Giants. Can't believe they drafted Daniel Jones, by the way, right? All right, Dave, you just made your seventh selection here.

What were you thinking and what did you do? I knew that the quarterback talent pool would drain out between my two picks at the swing in seven and eight. And when I was up again in nine, 10, I already made up my mind on the two players I was taking. So I took the quarterback first. It was Cam Newton. And I think it's pretty good value to get him at the end of round seven, literally the last pick of round seven and plenty of upside, perfect type of steel that you're looking for on draft day. So you, do you, you, you like Christian Kirk substantially over Mike Williams?

I like Christian Kirk over Mike Williams. Okay. I wouldn't say substantially. I'd say close, yeah. Kirk has a far more realistic path, in my opinion, to being the number one receiver in his offense. Yeah. I can't disagree with that.

What's that? Can't disagree with that. That's a great point. You can definitely disagree with that. What's that? Can't disagree with that. That's a great point. Why can't you? You can definitely disagree with that. You think that Michael Williams... Who's more likely to get hurt, Keenan Allen or Larry? I haven't missed a game in 40 years, Fitzgerald.

I guess that's true. I agree with you completely what you said just 15 minutes ago, that the Keenan Allen injury thing is overblown. And so I think the 40-year-old Larry Fitzgerald is more likely to get hurt this year. Yeah. I just think the distribution in Arizona, like,

I mean, I get, we don't know. Yeah. I, it's, it's hard to guess. You got David Johnson in play there.

Now, uh, I think Adam mentioned the red, a keen Butler, but that would, that would boost your case. I don't think Andy Isabella is going to come in and steal, you know,

90 targets from Christian Kirk. I like Christian Kirk. I mean, it was, it was a close choice between those guys. I mean, I think, I think both guys are probably wide receiver two maxes if everything breaks right. And more likely a guy that you're flexing in, um, you know, on a, on a bi-week. So, yeah. All right. So Heath, I never got a chance to hear about your team and what you did. You had at that point, uh, in the seventh round, Patrick Mahomes, Le'Veon Bell, Austin Eckler, Michael Thomas, Stefan Biggs, and Hunter Henry. And then, okay, I see now you took Christian Kirk.

So he's currently a starter for you. He's a flex. Yeah, I took Kirk, and honestly, I plan on taking a lot of other running backs, but what Will said was right. This is not the round for drafting running backs. And I may take, like, four or five or six running backs in a row which sometimes leaves you really thin a receiver i might only have three receivers so i thought you know if i'm only gonna have three i'll take thomas diggs and kirk maybe i'll add a fourth later i may be done at receiver

again like i mean we we mentioned this i think I mentioned this earlier, but like, I can't stress it enough. Those first three rounds, you better come away with one elite receiver. Or, I mean, you have to invest in receivers early because there's a secondary run, and all of a sudden you're starting Corey Davis as your wide receiver, too. Or, I mean, even Adam, and I'm not knocking it, but like Calvin Ridley is your wide receiver, too. You want two number one guys to be your top two wide receivers if you can get it well but that's going to be impossible this year because there's really only eight receivers that you can look at and say okay these guys are superstars that can no no number one on your own number one on their team right but even if you go past that you'll feel okay about keenan allen or antonio brown or amari cooper

being your number one receiver on your fantasy no No. What do you mean? Not great. No, you won't feel it. But that's what's going to be left after those first eight receivers. But that's my point. And if you're picking early in round one, the odds of you getting Mike Evans in round two, I think at this point it's pretty slim. No, no, I understand.

If you were taking one of those elite backs, you were bypassing the opportunity for a top tier one. And you have to do it. You absolutely have to do it. You don't have to. You're going to take DeAndre Hopkins over Christian McCaffrey? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Hopkins was more valuable. Let me weigh in here.

Because I'm the one who actually had the third pick, and I took Kamara. And then in the second round, I could have taken Keenan Allen. Mike Evans was off the board. But I took Kerryon Johnson. And when I did that, I did that with the assumption I was going to be a little bit weak at wide receiver. I'm fine with the trade off. Now keep in mind, this is half PPR. Had it been full PPR, I would have taken carry on Johnson. I still would have gone with that stud running back because those stud running backs, and I think he can be a stud. Those stud running backs are more valuable than a guy like Keenan Allen in any

format. So whatever, I made the sacrifice. So my team could have been Alvin Kamara, Keenan Allen, maybe Adam Thielen again. I could have gotten him maybe. Let me ask you this. Hold on. And Mark Ingram. Or it could have been instead of Ingram, Calvin Ridley, and instead

of Keenan Allen, Kerryon Johnson, which is what I have. I have Kamara, Kerryon Johnson, Thielen, and Calvin Ridley. I have Will Fuller. I'm going to take more ups. I'm fine with it. I know I'm a little weak wide receiver, but I'm fine with it, like I said. But I think your hypothesis here is incorrect. Like the drop-off, maybe you disagree,

but to me the drop-off from Kerryon Johnson to Mark Ingram is much smaller than the drop-off from Keenan Allen to Calvin Ridley. I agree with that, but I still think Kerryon Johnson's the best player there. I also didn't think Mark Ingram would necessarily be there for me, so hindsight's 20-20. But Tevin Coleman would have been there for me, so I would have felt comfortable with that. You're right. If you love Mark Ingram or Tevin Coleman or Melvin Gordon as your number two running back and you want to eschew Kerryon Johnson, Leonard Fournette, those guys in round two and take receiver-receiver after you took one of those big four running backs,

then yeah, be comfortable with Ingram or Tevin Coleman as your number two running back and do that. Let's take another break here on Fantasy Football today. We will get into round eight and nine and beyond when we come back. Did you know that across ontario utility damage happens 19 times a day that's over 4222 incidents a year don't let your next dig be one that causes costly delays or safety risks before you break ground make it a point to request a locate it's not just law. It's a step to keep your team and community safe. Visit OntarioOneCall.ca

and avoid unnecessary damages to get the job done right. Data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. Going to recap what you may have missed in the last couple of rounds. Round six, Dave took James White, then it was Aaron Rodgers, Austin Eckler, DeeDee Westbrook, 64th overall.

Too soon? That's about right. I think it's a little too soon. Too soon for me. Tariq Cohen, Jared Cook. Too soon? 66th overall, Jared Cook? Yes.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Miles Sanders, Jarvis Landry. Too soon? 68th overall? Yes. I'm not taking him.

Yep. It's Jarvis Landry. Curtis Samuel went next. overall? Yes. I'm not taking him. Yep. All right, it's Jarvis Landry. Curtis Samuel went next. Would you take Samuel over Landry? Yes. Yes. Latavius Murray, Alshon Jeffrey, and Robbie Anderson. Alshon Jeffrey, Robbie Anderson, 69th and, or 71st and 72nd overall.

Your thoughts there? Too soon for Alshon. Okay. Agreed. All right. Okay. I'm outnumbered. By the way, the Jared Cook pick, if you're in the seventh round and you have filled out

your starting lineup and have one reserve player and have an empty spot at tight end, you don't just have to take a tight end. Absolutely not. Wait. Wait. You can grab like a van. And even if you can't get have to take a tight end. Absolutely not. Wait, wait. You can grab like a fancy bottle of Mark Andrews. And even if you can't get Jared Cook. Keep piling up wide receivers and running back.

You can get Jared Cook or Delaney Walker. I think they're almost the same guy at this point. Gross. Not only that, Will, was actually the sixth round, not the seventh round. Let's go to the seventh round now. Even better. Lamar Miller, Rashad Penny.

How do we feel about Rashad Penny, 74th overall? That's where he's going to go. I love it. I don't understand why people aren't higher on Lamar Miller. I don't know. I love that you're becoming a Lamar Miller guy after yelling at me

about Lamar Miller for five years. I know. 73rd. That's great to me. Will Fuller. Are you a Texans fan this year, Adam, with the Duke Johnson-Lamar Miller combo? Kind of. Yeah. Will Fuller. Are you a Texans fan this year, Adam, with the Duke Johnson? Kind of. Yeah. Will Fuller, Kenyon Drake, Matt Ryan, Mike Williams, Allen Robinson, Sterling Shepard, Baker Mayfield, Christian Kirk, Sammy Watkins, Cam Newton.

I think those picks really seem to make a lot of sense, right? We got the quarterbacks, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Baker Mayfield. We got this run of wide receivers, Mike Williams, Alan Robinson. This is the tertiary wide receiver run that you need to be on the lookout for in your draft. If you don't have depth at that position, I got to drop tertiary. How good was that? Yeah, pretty great. Then you need to be prepared to grab these guys now

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All right. So if you remember, I took Cam with my last pick to end round seven, and I've been a responsible drafter for this whole thing. It's time to start letting my hair down and get a little wild. I've got to reach with this pick. I've got to go with somebody who I would normally want to take maybe closer to round nine than the first pick in round eight, but I need running backs, and I like the upside in him.

I am taking Justin Jackson of the of the los angeles chargers heath are you mad were you did you want him he i am more mad about the pick that happened right after that than i am the justin jackson pick i was ready to take kaylin bellage here i did not um oof i did not have a good backup plan for if caitlin bellage was not there i was not going to take justin jackson quite yet i think it's fine there's upside there we're at that point in the draft and when you're drafting where dave is and kind of where i am as well you don't really get to worry too much about what is average draft position you have to go get your guys yep i didn't get my guy so i settled for dion lewis oh boy dion lewis is sort of

underrated oh yeah totally like this i don't know if he's this is still 15 spots after where my projections actually have him i think you had a shot at getting him on the way back in round nine it's possible but i can't i just missed bellagio and jackson i can't i would like to have a guy that i feel we know that derrick hen Henry is back at practice for the Titans. I think that's going to take away a lot of work from Deion Lewis. What's the difference between taking Lewis and one of these younger rookie running backs or second

year running backs? A Tony Pollard, for example. I can start Deion Lewis as a flex even if Derrick Henry is fine. If Ezekiel Elliott is fine, Tony Pollard is going to be useless. Why didn't you take the Sean McCoy? This is the point in the draft where you can take those things. LeSean McCoy, Bucs running back, they were available. LeSean McCoy is the one that I expect will come back.

Nobody wants LeSean McCoy. Not at all. Yeah. I bet LeSean has gone before. Is this too early for Jalen Samuels? Not if you're an NCAA donor. If you look at the running backs that are left and you don't want to deal with

All I needed was a firm Oh no, you already took Evan Ingram. You don't need Jalen Samuels. Tight end joke, tight end joke. You know the only reason he was listed as a tight end in college, right? Because no coach has ever played him as a running back? No, no, no, no. It's because the voters the ACC didn't know how to handle they wanted to get the voters, the ACC, didn't know how to handle.

They wanted to get him on a team, but they didn't know how to handle it. So they were like, let's plug him with tight end. It was like a participation trophy kind of thing. They wanted to make sure they could find a place for him? Sort of, yeah. How would you describe the position he played in college? H-back. That's what they should have just put him at.

He's not an H-back on the all-ACC team. That's what he's going to play for the Steelers this year. Yes. I think he's going to see a ton of snaps, a ton of targets, and I think he's going to get eight plus touchdown catches. That's a bold prediction. Define a ton of touches. And a game? If we're talking touches, yes. Ten touches per game.

They know they need James Conner late in the season. They're not going to want to wear him down. They're going to mix in Benny Snell. They're going to mix in Jalen Samuels. And they're going to use Samuels in the red zone and in the passing game a ton. So you are like round two James Conner guy. You wouldn't take him in round one. No, I would take wide receivers.

I'm just not. All right. Yeah. I'm not taking Conner. I'm the exact opposite. I'm not in on Conner or Bell this year. Not as like I don't like him. I'm just taking wide receivers. I'm just not. All right. Yeah. I'm not taking Conner. I'm the exact opposite. I'm not in on Conner or Bell this year. Not as like I don't like him. I'm just taking wide receivers.

Okay. Recapping some picks here in this round, round eight. Justin Jackson, Kalen Balazs, Deion Lewis, Emmanuel Sanders, 88th overall, Carson Wentz, Deshaun Jackson, Jalen Samuels, Corey Davis, Matt Breita, Andrew Luck, Marvin Jones, and Dante Pettis. Dante Pettis played every first team snap, 11 first team snaps. He was in on all of them. So was Marquise Goodwin. LaShawn McCoy just went with the first pick of round nine. By the way, I was the one who took Andrew Luck. I took him 94th overall.

I'm cool with it. Yeah. Are you going to take a second quarterback? Of course. Yeah the way, I was the one who took Andrew Luck. I took him 94th overall. I'm cool with it. Yeah. Are you going to take a second quarterback? Of course, yeah. I'll take a second quarterback. Okay. I mean, I guess I don't really have to. Well, it's a mock, so of course you don't have to. But if this were a real draft where you were playing for real cash,

I think you'd want to try and protect yourself and get a quarterback on your roster already who could start for you in week one and two, maybe in case luck's not ready. As long as I have waivers before week one, I don't care. Right. Then you're dropping somebody that you drafted in the first place.

Well, because you're drafting someone extra and then you get to hold them for two weeks and see if they're any good. If you have to draft someone, you just don't draft that person at all. Okay. And if you're in a league where people are taking Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger,

and who knows who else, you're not going to have those guys available to you to start at the beginning of the season. So I would use that roster spot on one of those quarterbacks. It could be your last pick. But do something to have a better backup plan than the typical waiver-wire quarterback in week one. Draft your streaming quarterback. The typical waiver wire quarterback

is going to be Phillip Rivers. Could be somebody that I would draft anyway. I'd have to see. You could then do what Heath is suggesting. Jimmy G against Tampa Bay. I don't know if I'm feeling as good about Jimmy G as I want to.

Nobody's feeling good about Jimmy G, which means you can get him for free. I'm feeling fine. I'm feeling fine. I know you are. He's no less handsome than he was before. He's very handsome. Okay, so into round nine now.

The Sean McCoy, Duke Johnson. I talked to Will yesterday, or aired this morning on Pick 6. Guys, I think Duke Johnson could set a career high in carries this year, which would be, I think it's like 105 is his career high. Each of the last two seasons, the combination of Alfred Blue and Deontay Foreman, they've had about 160 carries, and Lamar Miller's still gotten his fair share.

So could Duke Johnson get like 120 carries this year, plus maybe 50 catches or so? Are we sleeping on him? No. Good answer. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. I think, I mean, I think, I think Duke Johnson's flying a little bit under the radar because he's now no longer in an offense

that is designed to ruin his value and submarine his ability to catch footballs. Like, we don't, we don't know. Excuse me. I mean, I think that when you look at Bill O'Brien's offense, right, I mean, he ran the Patriots offense. He knows how to use these satellite backs and Duke Johnson is like, Duke Johnson and the Patriots would be a monster.

I'm not saying he's the same thing, but I do think that they will utilize him more, especially because you can take a running back who catches the ball to the backfield, like Duke Johnson, and you can mitigate the pressure that a bad offensive line allows on a quarterback by putting Duke Johnson in play. Yeah, I think there's some appeal there. And he went, Duke Johnson went 98th overall. Then it was Mark Lesnar. Great pick by Sean.

Valdez-Scantling. Great pick, Sean. Then Jared Goff. Oh, who did he take? Darwin Thompson? Is that the pick? Nope, Tyrell Williams. Oh, Tyrell Williams.

And an appropriate part in the draft, I might add. All right, so, sorry, round nine, Goff. Round nine started with McCoy, I might add. All right. So, sorry. Round nine, Goff. Round nine started with McCoy, Duke Johnson, MVS, Goff, Fitzgerald, Daryl Henderson to Will, Tyrell Williams, Darwin Thompson, Jamison Crowder. We are now at 105th overall. Now we're at 106th. Heath, what are you going to do at 106th overall?

You know, I was considering taking Peyton Bar barber and then trying to get ronald jones coming back and just thinking you know i've got the tampa bay backfield locked up there are two other running backs in this range i'm only getting two of these four guys i know dave's not going to take royce freeman he's basically said he wouldn't take royce freeman in a 20 round draft he hates royce i will definitely take royce freeman in a 20 round i do think there'll be if he's there in round so i'm gonna i'm gonna take darius ge Royce Freeman into 20 round draft. If he's there in round 16. I'm going to take Darius Geis at the end of the 9th. I think there's more upside individually

for both Geis and Freeman. I think there's a decent chance that you draft Barber and Jones and you just never have anyone you want to start. I don't want either of those guys. Dave wouldn't draft Royce Freeman if Royce Freeman was drowning and could only be saved by being drafted by Dave. I would save his life.

No. I would not. I do not wish that type of harm on him. I saw you walk in the office yesterday and you're like, Royce Freeman is a loser. I didn't say he should drown. Royce Freeman is a loser. It's a little brutal, you know? Royce Freeman should be a top 100.

Ben Schrager. Ben Schrager took a guy that I wanted in Tony Pollard right in front of me. What are you going to do, Dave? You're on the clock. Yeah, Jordan Howard's going to be one of the picks, which is not pretty, but he's going to be my RB4. I can live with it. I'm sorry.

Tony Pollard and Daryl Henderson are two bullets I want to shoot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Darwin Thompson's a third bullet, and he's not there. Yeah. And Damian Harris is bullets I want to shoot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Darwin Thompson's a third bullet, and he's not there. Yeah. And Damian Harris is someone I like a lot. So, Dave, why not take Ronald Jones or Peyton Barber? I mean, I'll make the case for Ronald Jones. Because I think it's going to be a mess.

I think that backfield's going to be a mess, and I just don't want it. At first. But couldn't you see a scenario where Peyton Barber's not good? We know Peyton Barber's not good. Could you see a scenario kind of like how we feel about Philip Lindsay and Royce Freeman, whereby week four they're just like, okay, Ronald Jones, it's your show. Well, it could also be the Ronald Jones show with Andre Ellington co-starring as a third down back and Dari Ogunbowale working in as well.

Or there's a running back that's out there in the world that isn't on their roster who comes onto their roster. I think it's a total smorgasbord of crapola in that backfield. I don't want any piece of it. I don't feel good about any of those guys. Versus Philip Lindsay, at least we've seen it from him. We've seen what he's capable of doing. We've seen what Peyton Barber is capable of doing,

and it's just not great for fantasy. The only other thing I'll say is that Barber is a good target in zero RB when you're this late in the draft. So if I had really gone crazy with other positions before running back, and I'm up in round 10 and Peyton Barber's still there, I'm dancing to have Peyton Barber on my team. But in this case, I'm looking for a fourth or a fifth running back on my squad. Peyton Barber doesn't do it for me.

Heath took Royce Freeman. I wanted Royce Freeman. I wanted Royce Freeman. Why? Because he's drowning. I want to save him. Oh, okay. Well, Heath saved him.

Got a couple of tight ends off the board. Round 10. Yeah. Austin Eckler loses his job. Royce Freeman starting for the Broncos. Awesome. You're going to get like four fantasy points. Round 10. Yeah. Austin Eckler loses his job. Royce Freeman starting for the Broncos. Awesome. You're going to get like four fantasy points. You're really over.

Yeah, you're overblowing. You're really overblowing how bad he was. It's not how bad he is as much as it is how frustrating this Broncos run game is going to be. See, I'm not buying that. You don't think they're going to use three guys? They might use three guys, but I think they're going to use three guys. Well, they might use three guys, but I think that you're going to see it.

You're, but I think you're going to see a team that is going to run the ball a ton. And once Mike Munchak gets a few more weeks coaching up this offensive line, it's going to start to gel. And one of these guys is going to break out. And at that cost,

I mean, the 10th round pick, give me Royce Freeman all day. All right. Okay. Guys, I hate, I hate this spot.

I just hate all these. Who are you going to pick? Oh, the Peyton Barber potato is in your lap now, Will. No. I'm going to take a top five quarterback. Lamar Jackson? Lamar Jackson. Outstanding job.

Outstanding. There's three teams. If you were ranking quarterbacks, he would be in your top five, huh? Oh, yeah, for sure. In six point professional leagues? Is it six? Yeah, it's six whatever no probably not he'd be top 10 though yes yeah yeah yeah he's 10th for me you can't

expect me to read the rules it's an 8 a.m podcast come on uh but i didn't know but i will point out too this is one thing that this is a pretty easy fantasy strategy but i think sometimes people miss out on it if you're waiting on quarterback go and you're using the cbs fantasy commissioner and you should be using it go bang that little roster grid button and see who else is waiting on a quarterback. If there's somebody else who's going to draft a quarterback coming up after you, go ahead in the 10th round, make your pick now so you get the guy you want to get as opposed to somebody sniping. And likewise, if you hit the roster grid button and you see that everybody after you has a quarterback already, you know that you can wait around to get your quarterback and then it's an even better value. I'm about to friendship strategy the hell out of this. I took Marquez Valdez-Scantling and I just took Geronimo Allison in round 10.

So we're about done with the show, guys. Final five minutes. What we're going to do is we're going to recap our teams. The first 10 picks. None of us have kickers or DSTs. We only actually have one bench spot left. Oh, by the way, somebody in the draft room said, Adam, you're killing me. So I guess I made a good pick.

All right, here's my team picking third overall in a half PPR league, starting Andrew Luck right now. Obviously, I anticipate quarterbacks on the waiver wire. Andrew Luck, Alvin Kamara, Kerryon Johnson, Adam Thielen, and Calvin Ridley, Tevin Coleman at Flex, and on my bench, I have Latavius Murray, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, and Geronimo Allison, and I have Will Fuller, who I really like. I don't have a tight end, so that's a problem, but overall, I actually think this is a good team. I know

I'm not great at wide receiver, but taking two Packers guys and Will Fuller, I think there's upside there that I can fill in the blanks, and maybe Calvin Ridley has a huge year. We'll see. You made this harder on yourself than you had to, but you pulled it off okay. I'd give you a B-.

Okay, thank you. Thank you. All right, Will, you had the, what, six pick? Six pick overall. I almost got Zeke Elliott, which would have drastically changed how this all unfolded for me. But you used your overbearing commissioner powers and gave that to Cruz.

I started with Devontae Adams, which I'm fine with. Land Adams at one. As I mentioned just a minute ago, I took Lamar Jackson. I just want to point out his schedule. He starts with the Dolphins, Cardinals, Chiefs, and Browns. There's a very good chance that he has 60

to 75 rushes in the first four weeks minimum. He's a very good champion. He can get you off to a very good start. And so I think that's why I like firing that Lamar Jackson bullet late. Joan Mixon and Miles Sanders are my starting running backs. I've got Jalen Samuels and Daryl Henderson on the bench there. If Todd Gurley somehow falls apart, Henderson's a league winner. And Sanders is a little concerning,

but I know that Samuels in this half-point PPR can step in and be that guy. And then a wide receiver, I feel pretty loaded. Devontae Adams, as I mentioned. T.Y. Hilton. Kenny Galladay, who I'm starting at flex. Evan Ingram at my tight end position. I would give myself an A+. We generally agree more than we do on this roster.

You don't like it? I don't love it. I don't think you have a number two running back. And I think you missed out on an opportunity to have a better number one wide receiver, but I'll give you a B. It's slightly better than Adams. So if I'd gone Juju instead of Devante. Guys, we have literally a minute and a half left, so I am apologizing for cutting you off, but Heath, give me your team. Yeah, I started off with a wide receiver,

Michael Thomas, took Le'Veon Bell. My starters are Patrick Mahomes, yeah i uh started off with a wide receiver michael thomas took levy on bell my starters are patrick mahomes levy on bell austin eckler michael thomas defawn diggs hunter henry and i guess christian kirk i've got three running backs on the bench royce freeman darius geis and dion lewis i didn't really catch all of it i but I just give it a D. Dave, who do you get at 12? My first pick was Travis Kelsey. Remember, I had the back-to-back picks, so I took Odell right after him. Rounds 3, 4,

Josh Jacobs and Brandon Cooks. Rounds 5, 6 were DJ Moore and James White. Rounds 7, 8 were Cam Newton and Justin Jackson. The lineup is Cam, White, Jacobs, Beckham, Cooks, Kelsey, and DJ Moore. I like this team a lot. James White is the weak spot in the lineup.

That's fine. Last year, he finishes the number eight running back in PPR and the number eight running back in half PPR. I don't think he'll be quite that good, but I still think he's fine as a number two fantasy running back in half PPR. What's a bigger weak spot? James White as your number two running back or Josh Jacobs as your number one.

I think Jacobs is going to be, I really don't like Heath's team. I, I'm not even trying to be a jerk. I don't, I just don't like Christian Kirk, Dion Lewis, uh,

as a bench, but I don't know. I, Stefan Diggs concerns me about half his games. He's had 50 or fewer yards over the last two seasons. I don't know. I don't like the team and I'm going to leave it at that. Cause I'm the host.

Sorry, Heath. I loved it. I love the start. I don't have to put. And I'm going to leave it at that because I'm the host. Sorry, Heath. I loved it. I loved the start. Glad you got to talk. Thank you. We're running out of time. By the way, Heath's team sucks. Thank you so much to Will for joining us today. Thank you so much for all of you for listening and for all of our drafters being a part of it. Very much appreciated.

We will be back tomorrow. Get all pumped up for the telethon. We'll talk to you then. Dave? Na, na, na, na, na, na, na.