Fantasy Football Today - 08/28: How to Draft from Each Spot (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 28, 2019

It's our pick-by-pick episode as we discuss the picks and strategies of a 12-team, 3-WR, PPR league. First we hit the news (2:00) with some Jadeveon Clowney for Kenyan Drake rumors, what Kyle Shanahan... said about Dante Pettis, who will be ready for Week 1 and more ... Let's get into the picks! Team 12 (12th pick in the draft) went Zero-RB but may have made a big mistake (14:30). Team 1 started with 3 RBs (23:00). How did that turn out? ... The rest of the show looks at other ways to build teams from different spots in the draft. Find out which strategy works best for you, and what we're recommending in this format. And in the final five minutes of the show, we get into Week 1 and discuss if Patrick Mahomes is a Top 5 QB in a very tough matchup or if you should start Dak Prescott over him ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Well, what's going on, everybody? Welcome to the Wednesday Show. Happy to be back here with a little bit more of a voice today. I'm Adam Azer with Jamie Eisenberg and Heath Cummings. All right, guys, last year we did a very cool thing. We did the Pick by Pick series. So let's do it again.
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Starting point is 00:02:19 We actually have most of the show's already been recorded because we spoke to Chris Harris from Harris Football about IDP, about some of the players he likes, about some strategy. You're gonna hear that interview in the second half of the show. But first, we're gonna tell you how to draft from each spot in a 12-team PPR league. And we're gonna talk about an absolutely dreadful team
Starting point is 00:02:39 that was picked with the 12th overall pick. At least, you know, I think it's pretty bad. We'll see what Jamie and Heath have to say. But let's do the news and notes real quick here, guys. The Dolphins are reportedly interested in acquiring Jadeveon Clowney from Houston. And Kenyon Drake's name has been floated there. Laramie Tunsell, the left tackle,
Starting point is 00:02:59 his name's also been floated. So give me a reaction to this spicy rumor. If they trade Laramie Tunsell, it would be one of the top five dumbest things I've heard from a franchise that has done a lot of dumb things. You can't trade a left tackle of his caliber for Clowney as good as he is. And I think there were some tweets last night
Starting point is 00:03:21 saying it's not going to be Tunsell if Clowney... It can't be. That would just be idiotic. I think this is a, this is a premier pass rusher, man. I don't know that it's idiotic to trade a left tackle for a pass rusher. Well,
Starting point is 00:03:34 the left tackle is younger and cheaper. I don't think they're trading them. Okay. So what if it's, so it's, it's, it's, it's all things factored in.
Starting point is 00:03:41 I mean, player for player clown. He's a better player, but no, you don't do it. They're not going to. Okay, Clowney's a better player. So then do it. No, you don't do it. They're not going to. Okay, they're not going to do it. So what do you make of the Kenyon-Drake? I think if the trade is picks for Drake, picks and Drake,
Starting point is 00:03:58 and maybe Kenny Stills because that's also a potential part of this, then I think it makes sense. If it's just fantasy-wise, I think Ken kenyan drake and houston would be good i would rather him just stay in miami i'd rather him be on a bad team sharing with caitlin bellage than a good team sharing with duke johnson that probably does make more sense for his fantasy value i guess i was thinking more from the texans as a team right yes if it's for them i don't like yeah uh you're very selfish i think drake drake would still probably be the same type of guy a little bit lower the only thing i don't know is if he's just a first and second down guy with
Starting point is 00:04:30 duke johnson on the team i would think they mix and match because their skill set is somewhat similar yeah i mean drake is probably better suited to be a first and second down guy but i mean you know he's he's a pretty good pass catcher he might score more touchdowns i guess well this is why except lamarar Miller never scored any touchdowns, but this is why Dave seemed a little bit lower on Duke Johnson because he just assumed they're going to bring someone in and it's going to hurt Duke's value. So how much should we have that in mind when we're drafting Duke Johnson?
Starting point is 00:04:57 One of you said you saw him go in the fourth round yesterday. Right. I've got him as a fifth-round pick in PPR, and I've only given him 35% of their carries. So I'm expecting somebody else to come in and take half. If it was Kenyon Drake, that's toward the upper end of who I thought they might acquire, and that would hurt him a little bit more. But I still think he's going to get more work than I expected in the beginning.
Starting point is 00:05:18 I'm still of the mindset it's going to be a Carlos Hyde type, a Kenneth Dixon type, a guy that's been around for a few years and struggling to hang on, whether it's their respective team because of circumstance, like a Dixon or Hyde who's been kicked around the league a few times. So I don't think it's going to impact Duke Johnson to the level of what Kenyon Drake would do. If it's Kenyon Drake, then both guys, I guess I'll backtrack from where you said, both guys would lose. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Kyle Shanahan talked extensively about Dante Pettis, and he basically talked about how good Pettis is and that he's really pushing Dante Pettis, and he's hard on Dante Pettis because he thinks there's a lot there. So, Jamie, you shared the quote with me yesterday. Did it make you more optimistic about drafting Pettis and he's hard on Dante Pettis because he thinks that, you know, there's a lot there. So Jamie, you shared that the quote with me yesterday. Did it make you more optimistic about drafting Pettis? No, I mean, at this point, I need to see it from him, you know, and it's funny because the way that I viewed Pettis coming into the season was he had a great four game stretch when Marquis Goodwin was dealing with some issues and hurt.
Starting point is 00:06:26 They had nobody else really in the receiving core. George Kittle is kind of locked into his role, but they added two receivers in the draft and getting Goodwin back, and I thought that he was going to get pushed, but I still thought he was the best of the bunch. And I sort of, not to a huge degree, moved Pettis up a few times and dropped him a few times,
Starting point is 00:06:44 but at this point, with the way that he's performed or lack thereof and how they've been using him in the preseason, it's just difficult to, you know, warrant drafting him in the first hundred overall picks. He could still be their best guy. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, but you know,
Starting point is 00:06:57 he did all that without Jimmy Garoppolo. And you wonder if they have a rapport that may not be the same as what the rapport is with Goodwin. I, I am a little bit higher rapport is with Goodwin. I, I am a little bit higher on him, I guess. Um, I mean,
Starting point is 00:07:11 I took him yesterday in this pick by pick that we're going to talk about at pick 94. And I really liked that a lot. The two receivers taken before that were to Sean Jackson and Marcus Valdez Scantling. I don't believe either of them anywhere close to Dante Pettis is upside. Oh, I take MVS over him. Would you significantly?
Starting point is 00:07:23 Yeah, I, I don't, I don't know how he's going to get that many targets if adams is still getting 150 i would think that at this point i would not be shocked if he gets more targets than pettis yeah i haven't really i haven't downgraded pettis near as much yeah i mean i i don't know where you know like when they get trent taylor back and at this point with jalen heard battling a little bit of injury maybe that helps him.
Starting point is 00:07:45 I think when everyone's healthy, him and Marquis Goodwin are starting. I don't know if that's the case. I hope it's the case. That's my expectation. Yeah, I don't know if that's the case. I think they like Debo Samuel at this point better than Dante Perez. Oh, I mean, that's a bit of a... I mean, that's an assumption.
Starting point is 00:07:58 There's no evidence to point to that. Well, no, I was reading some stuff last night where one reporter in San Francisco alluded to Debo moving up and Dante moving down just based on how they're using those guys. Okay. That's just speculation. Yeah. All right. So you mentioned Sean Jackson. He broke his finger, but he should be able to play week one.
Starting point is 00:08:17 So Heath, you said you'd rather have him. Not according to a report. Not according to a report. Justine Anderson said it could be a three- to four-week injury. Okay. Well, according to a different report, he can play week one. So, all right.
Starting point is 00:08:26 So I guess that means he's trying out a, he's trying out a splint. That's going to kind of determine, I think how this goes. All right. So we'll see with Deshaun Jackson. If it, if it is three to four weeks,
Starting point is 00:08:36 you can't draft him. Jordan Reed expected to be ready for week one. Oh, so you can draft him. That's good. Washington apparently wants to trade Josh Doxon before week one. According to the athletic, I have some socks that I found in my drawer.
Starting point is 00:08:50 They got a hole in the toe. I would also like to trade those, uh, San Francisco wide receiver, Trent Taylor, unlikely to be ready for week one. Same with Kiki QT for Houston. Cam Newton should be fine for week one.
Starting point is 00:09:02 That's great. Uh, Pewter reports, Trevor Sakema. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. Thinks that Daria Gumbawale. Cam Newton should be fine for week one. That's great. Pewter reports Trevor Sikema, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, thinks that Daria Gumbawale, I do think I'm pronouncing that right,
Starting point is 00:09:12 will begin the season as Tampa Bay's third down back. What do you guys think the chances of Daria Gumbawale being like a must-own player at some point this season are? This is Heath's theory. Coming to fruition with a different player. Go back and scrub all the podcasts from the summer where I said Bruce Anderson I meant Darre I just I got the names confused I'm sorry yeah this this is this is a easy last round pick at this point for anybody and if you if you drafted already and you have a dead roster spot go pick him up Darre Agun
Starting point is 00:09:41 Bawale for Tampa Bay yeah I mean he could be their best guy by the time we get to the middle of season that I mean it's that it sounds best guy by the time we get to the middle of the season. I mean, it sounds so much like Bruce Anderson that I totally get why you made that mistake. You just got the names mixed up. Yeah, yeah. Rob Gronkowski. I'll tell you, just to give you an example, I have our Dynasty team that we share at them, which I don't consult with you at all. $1,000 budget.
Starting point is 00:10:01 I spent $51 on them just to make sure I got them. All right. So it's like $5. $5.10 out of $100. Rob Gronkowski did not rule out a return. Is anybody stashing Gronk? No. No.
Starting point is 00:10:14 DK Metcalf has a chance to play week one, during which point he will begin his assault to be the best receiver in Seattle, score the most touchdowns. Jarek McKinnon returned to practice, which, you know, we don't like for Tevin Coleman. Tevin Coleman, okay, so, yeah, I know I asked this yesterday. I'll ask it again.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Tevin Coleman or Duke Johnson in any format? All the formats. Joe Coleman. Okay. And Carly Lloyd, U.S. soccer star Carly Lloyd, is considering trying to become an NFL kicker. She made a 55-yard field goal the other day in practice. She took five steps instead of two, but that would be really cool, and I'm rooting for it. All right. Big day today. Sportsline day. Sportsline is taking over
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Starting point is 00:12:34 We're going to take a quick break first on fantasy football today. When we come back, start breaking down how to draft from each spot in the draft. Did you know that across Ontario, utility damage happens 19 times a day? That's over 4,222 incidents a year. Don't let your next dig be one that causes costly delays or safety risks. Before you break ground,
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Starting point is 00:13:15 This was a 12-team PPR league, and the way it worked was Jamie, Dave, Heath, Ben, they each made every four picks. You should probably reference which Ben. Ben Gretsch. Yes, Ben Gretsch. They each made every four picks. You should probably reference which Ben. Ben Gretsch. Yes, Ben Gretsch. They each made four picks per round and controlled four teams, basically.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Was it a three-receiver league? Yes. Yes. I knew the answer was going to be yes to that. Basically, we have transitioned to the big three receivers. Every single draft we do is three receivers. Okay. Twelve teams, PPR, three receivers.
Starting point is 00:13:44 Five running backs went to start the draft, including David Johnson. He was fourth overall, right? Ahead of Zeke? Yes. Okay. So that was Ben, who loves David Johnson. And you guys probably hated that pick, right?
Starting point is 00:14:00 He's on my best list. Yeah, that high, absolutely. I could still be okay with him in the first round, but it's got to be the back half. So it was Saquon, Kamara, McCaffrey, David Johnson, and Ezekiel Elliott with the first five picks. This was done yesterday, by the way, Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:14:16 Then wide receivers throughout. DeAndre Hopkins, wide receivers throughout the rest of the round. Juju Smith-Schuster to Heath, who took him ahead of Devontae Adams. Then Odell Beckham to Ben. And then Devontae Adams to Jamie. Must have been pretty happy to get your number one wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Ninth overall. Yeah, absolutely. Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, and Tyreek Hill. I think Heath is probably in there moving the cursor around. Is that you, Heath? I am. Okay, yeah. You're distracting around. Is that you, Heath? I am. Okay, yeah. Distracting me.
Starting point is 00:14:47 Really drives you crazy. So there you go. You've got your top seven wide receivers all in the first round and a three-receiver PPR league. Okay, so this is not necessarily about when these guys are going. This is about how to draft at each spot. So let's look at Team 12. Team 12 tried to go 0RB. And personally, I hate it.
Starting point is 00:15:06 I bet Ben, if he were here, he might like it. But I don't know. I don't know about that. So it was Tyreek Hill. It was very Chiefs-y, by the way. Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey at the 1-2 turn. Chris Godwin, Patrick Mahomes at 36 and 37 overall. Then Jarvis Landry and Curtis Samuel in rounds.
Starting point is 00:15:29 What would that be? That would be four and five, five and six. Sorry. Rounds five and six Landry and Curtis Samuel, six picks without a running back, but starting with my homes, a quarterback Kelsey at tight end and at wide receive.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Oh, is there a flex in this league? I'm sorry. Yes. Okay. So at wide receiver, those are all starters for him. Yeah.? I'm sorry. Yes. Okay. So at wide receiver. Those are all starters for him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Tyree, except for running back. Tyree Kill, Chris Godwin, Jarvis Landry, Curtis Samuel. Yeah, those are all. I know what you, sorry. I know what you meant now. Those are all starters. His running backs are Matt Breida, Rashad Penny, Kalen Balazs, Justice Hill,
Starting point is 00:16:01 Ido Smith, Chase Edmonds, and Ryquel Armstead. Again, it's Breida, Penny, Kalen Balazs, Justice Hill, Ido Smith, Chase Edmonds, and Rykel Armstead. Again, it's Brita, Penny, Kalen Balazs, Justice Hill, Ido Smith, Chase Edmonds, Rykel Armstead. Yeah, I mean, I'm all about zero RB, but there's not one starting running back there. At least it doesn't seem that way. I don't know that this team would work. What do you guys think? I think in a three-wide receiver league where you also start a flex, you're looking at a situation
Starting point is 00:16:30 where he probably has the best quarterback, probably has the best tight end, in my opinion, has one of the five or six best wide receivers. He's fine at number two receiver, probably good in PPR at number three receiver. Let's say who these names are because I know people can't remember.
Starting point is 00:16:46 Tyreek Hill, Chris Godwin, Jarvis Landry, and then Curtis Samuel as your flex. I don't really like the Jarvis Landry, Curtis Samuel turn. Right, yeah. There are other receivers that he could have stuck with the plan and gone receiver, and I would have been happy with it. He was a little shook when I took Kenyon Drake at the end of the fifth. I believe he cursed at me.
Starting point is 00:17:08 And then he cursed at me again when I took Latavius Murray at the end of the seventh. Um, so he just missed out on having a couple of much better options at running back. But I, I really think that turn with Landry and Samuel was in my opinion where it kind of went wrong.
Starting point is 00:17:25 But also if Landry is a top 25 receiver like he has been, and Samuel breaks out like Jamie said, I don't think it matters who your running backs are. I do. I think you can take five points per week from your running backs. No, I don't know. You're beating everybody. That's a best case scenario. But, I mean, I agree with you, what you said.
Starting point is 00:17:44 It's the Landry- samuel turn is where it goes south especially given the guys that he passed up on forget about the receivers because you can argue all you want to about the guys that went right after him of dd westbrook and alan robinson and christian kirk being better than those other two guys i'm not going to fight you on that but like he passed on marlon mack Duke Johnson. Forget about missing Andre. Either one of those two guys makes his roster incrementally better. And he just does not like running backs in that range of the draft. I mean, he's been on here and talked about it.
Starting point is 00:18:14 He wrote a whole piece about it. Sure. But it's also then what he could have done at the receiver spot by comparison to the running backs that he got to, which I'll let you bring up, Adam. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't want to spend the whole time on this team, but yeah, I think for most of us, if instead of Jarvis Landry and Curtis Samuel, he had taken one of those guys plus Marlon Mack or Duke Johnson or Austin Eckler, it'd be a safer team. And then he could have gotten Larry Fitzgerald later. He could have gotten a host of guys.
Starting point is 00:18:46 All right, so let's go through these teams. So let's then go to, since we're 13 picks in, you know Travis Kelsey was the second pick of round two. Let's go to Heath at pick 11. You took Michael Thomas, and then in round two, there are no more, Mike Evans is the next receiver, and only five running backs are off the board at that point. So what were you thinking there in round two? Yeah, I generally expect like I don't
Starting point is 00:19:12 make the intentional plan and don't stick to it. I generally expect I'm going to go zero running back from the 11th pick. But when seven of them go in the first round and James Connor staring at me with the second pick of the second round, I'm thrilled with that. To start with Michael Thomas and James Conner, very, very happy with that start. Mike Evans, I've taken him a couple of picks after this. I think Ben took him three picks after this. I can't take, as much as I'm excited about his upside, I can't take Mike Evans over James Conner or Nick Chubb. Dave had the 10th pick.
Starting point is 00:19:40 He took Julio Jones. And then coming back in the second round, he went with Nick Chubb. So similar strategy to Heath. Heath goes Michael Thomas, James Conner. Dave has Julio Jones, and then coming back in the second round, he went with Nick Chubb. So similar strategy to Heath. Heath goes Michael Thomas, James Conner. Dave has Julio Jones, Nick Chubb. We're kind of snaking back here in the second round. We're going from Team 12 to 11 to 10, now to 9. Jamie, you had Devontae Adams in round one,
Starting point is 00:19:58 and with your second pick, you were looking at Mike Evans, but you decided to take a running back. Yeah, Le'Veon Bell. I mean, I agree with Heath as much as looking at Mike Evans, but you decided to take a running back. Yeah, Le'Veon Bell. I mean, I agree with Heath as much as I like Mike Evans. I wasn't going to pass up either of those three running backs if they fell to me of Connor, Chubb, or Bell. And you could have probably talked me into Joe Mixon if I didn't get one of those three guys. Okay. So then Ben decided with pick eight, he took Odell Beckham in round one.
Starting point is 00:20:24 So now he's on the clock with his second pick. And with Connor, Chubb, and Bell off the board plus Travis Kelsey, he went with Mike Evans. And this is also a somewhat zero RB team for Ben in the eight spot. We'll come around to it in round three when he picks his first running back. So it's more like a one RB. So Heath, you were up with the seventh pick. You took Juju Smith-Schuster. it in round three when he picks his first running back so it's more like a one rb uh so heath you were up with the seventh pick you took juju smith schuster and now you've got eight wide receivers
Starting point is 00:20:50 off the board plus eight running backs and your second pick for the juju team picking out of the seventh spot was it was joe mixon and i don't really i feel great about it i'm a little bit concerned about every running back left and excited at the same time like i think joe mixon has the same top five upside that we've talked about with carry on and with dalvin cook but i would much prefer in that spot to get mike evans um so i wish that had happened but it didn't okay but but you you deem mixin better than any of the next wide receivers any of the tight ends yeah yeah all right so then dave so so like what's what's for you know from a from a takeaway standpoint what's a little frustrating about this draft is that for you
Starting point is 00:21:39 listeners out there like the the second tight end and the third tight end they went earlier than than they probably will in your drafts and they both went to dave dave took and the first tight end based on adp yeah i think that's more common though to see kelsey going 13th overall then don't don't disagree i'm just saying you know based on what the averages are kittle went to dave with the with uh the seventh pick of round two and then zach Ertz went to Dave with the second to last pick of round two. So he went Hopkins-Kittle with team six, picking out of the six spot, Hopkins and Kittle.
Starting point is 00:22:12 Which, Jamie, put you on the clock with Ezekiel Elliott. And this is a PPR three receiver league. You decided it was okay to go with two running backs. I did that a couple times. Yeah, I just took the best player available. I wasn't going to reach.
Starting point is 00:22:27 The only player I would have considered would have been Keenan Allen if I was not taking a running back, but for me, it was either going to be Kerryon Johnson,
Starting point is 00:22:33 Dalvin Cook, or Leonard Fournette. And why did you go with Kerryon Johnson? I just think he's got the most upside as a pass catcher of that trio.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Okay, then we go to Ben who had David Johnson with the fourth pick and he took Dalvin Cook. So that's another team that started running back running back and then heath uh with carry on johnson dalvin cook recently off the board you had christian mcafree with the third overall pick so this is your second round pick what did you do i took keenan allen and i actually have allen in ppr especially in three wide receiver leagues just ahead i I love that carry on cook for net group
Starting point is 00:23:05 but I have Allen just ahead of them it was a little bit of a tough choice with Ertz because I like Ertz more than Kittle and I think this is right about the spot he should go in PPR but the three wide receivers pushed me over the edge to Allen all right so you went with Christian McCaffrey and Keenan Allen Dave picking from the two spot had Alvin Kamara he went with Zach Ertz in the second round and Jamie had Saquon Barkley. And then let's talk. Okay, so this team I think is worth getting into right now. So Saquon Barkley was your first pick, a three-receiver PPR league.
Starting point is 00:23:33 And what did you do with your second and third picks? I just decided I was going to be a little different and take best player as opposed to best guy for position. So I took the two best players I had ranked, which were Leonard Fournette and Todd Gurley. Three running backs. Let's figure it out. This is a good point, though, because this happens to me a lot,
Starting point is 00:23:59 and I don't get to pick in the first three very often for some reason. When I pick in the first three, what happened to Jamie and what happened with Ben happens to me a lot in the 12th pick, maybe not quite as extreme, but Jamie starts off his team with no wide receivers in his first four rounds. Ben from the 12 spot starts off with no running backs in his first six picks.
Starting point is 00:24:17 And I, I don't think that's really that abnormal. I'll tell you the thing about this team That I love and I hate Like if you're just in a vacuum telling me I can have AJ Green, Sterling Shepard, and Emmanuel Sanders With the three running backs that I have Of Barkley, Fournette, and Gurley
Starting point is 00:24:34 And then the tight end and Ingram The only thing that I don't like is that I'm locked in with the Giants Oh yeah, you have three Giants Barkley, Ingram, and Shepard As talents though Like if you tell me that I'm getting 16 games out of those three running backs three giants, Barkley, Ingram, and Shepard. As talents, though, if you tell me that I'm getting 16 games out of those three running backs,
Starting point is 00:24:49 two running backs and a flex, I'm starting all three guys. We've all glowed about Ingram. If A.J. Green comes back after three weeks and gives me the majority of the season, a lot of ifs, obviously. But I think given the fact that I started with three running backs
Starting point is 00:25:05 and still able to get, not just the three receivers that I got, because I do like Crowder and Brown as fourth and fifth options on their own, I actually like the way that they came together. Alright, so the team is Russell Wilson, a quarterback. He was a round 12
Starting point is 00:25:21 pick. The running backs are Saquon Barkley, Leonard Fournette, and Todd Gurley. Those are your two running backs in your flex. The tight end is Evan Ingram. And then you have A.J. Green, Sterling Shepard, and Emmanuel Sanders starting for you. With some good bench wide receivers as well. I won't read all the names, but A.J. Green,
Starting point is 00:25:38 Sterling Shepard, Emmanuel Sanders. You could throw John Brown, Jamison Cratter in there if you don't like Sanders. I'll have to start one of them for the first couple weeks. Oh, right, because of A.J. Green. Right, exactly. So, yeah, and you backed up Todd Gurley with Malcolm Brown, which is nice.
Starting point is 00:25:53 All right, let's compare that team to one of your other teams. How about Team 5, which also started running back, running back, but not three running backs. So Team 1 for Jamie, in a three-receiver PPR league did not take a wide receiver until round five. He went Barkley, Fournette, Gurley, Evan Ingram. Team five for Jamie, picking out of the five spot, went Ezekiel Elliott, Kerryon Johnson, but then Julian Edelman, Kenny Galladay, and O.J. Howard.
Starting point is 00:26:24 So you went with receivers with picks three and four, and you got a second-tier great tight end, just like Team 1 did. You have Austin Eckler. You have Sammy Watkins as your third receiver. Is Austin Eckler your flex on this team? Yeah, right? So it's Zeke, Kerryon Johnson. Well, I hope so.
Starting point is 00:26:41 I hope so, but if I don't have Elliott start the season, then I'm starting Eckler and Karyon Johnson. And I'm scrambling a little bit at the flex spot to start the year. Yeah. Well, I think, which team do you like better? So this team is Lamar Jackson, Zeke, Karyon, and Eckler. Edelman, Galladay, and Watkins. OJ Howard at tight end,
Starting point is 00:27:12 compared to the Barkley, Fournette, Gurley team with Evan Ingram at tight end, Green, Sterling, Shepard, Emmanuel Sanders, John Brown, and Jamison Cratter. Which team do you like better? If I have Elliott for 16 games, it's this one. Yeah. But if you have Gurley as Todd Gurley in the third round pick it might be that one well yes but i i think just looking at it taking a step back at it you know like there are a lot more ifs with team one than there are with team five the biggest if is the first round pick and i i will i think it also it's worth saying that this approach kind of shows you
Starting point is 00:27:45 what can happen when you're picking on the end because Jamie should have had better receivers. There was a run in round four where Tyler Lockett, T.Y. Hilton, Cooper Cupp, Calvin Ridley, Kenny Galladay, DJ Moore, Tyler Boyd, Josh Gordon all taken in like eight picks in a row right before Jamie. Most of those guys are not going to go in the fourth round, and very few drafts are all of those guys going to win. Well, it's also, I mean, look, we are drafting,
Starting point is 00:28:13 and I'm confident in saying this, with four of the best people in this industry. And it's very challenging. Like, you know, we get through, it's exhausting after this is over because you are going through every single player. We do not draft defenses. We do not draft kickers.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Ben at the end is saying, he's just throwing running backs at the wall, making a joke about he drafted Rex Burkhead. Heath drafted Jerick McKinnon. These guys are never going to get drafted at this point. To Heath's point about the run on receivers, we actually devalue running backs in this draft. That is never going to about the run on receivers, we actually devalue running
Starting point is 00:28:46 backs in this draft. That is never going to be the case. You're not going to see Mark Ingram in the fifth round. David Montgomery is not making it to the fifth round. Marlon Mack is not making it to the sixth round. Duke Johnson is not making six. It's just not happening. Well, I don't think so in a three receiver PPR league. No, not in every casual draft. I mean, I've done now four drafts with my friends who are, I would say, experienced players, but they're not digesting this on a day-to-day basis like we do. And so the quarterbacks go much earlier. You know, the names that they know go much earlier. Right. Well, that's why I thought maybe the running backs would fall because they do take the quarterbacks earlier. You know, the names that they know go much earlier. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Well, that's why I thought maybe the running backs would fall because they do take the quarterbacks earlier. But fair enough. Some of the running backs will fall. Like the guys that we've been pumping up, a few of them will just like... There will be lots of drafts this weekend
Starting point is 00:29:38 where Duke Johnson doesn't go in the first six or seven rounds. Well, I did a draft with friends who I don't consider to be very much in tune with what's going on. I mean, they tell me. They're like, oh, I actually did a draft with, with, with friends who I don't consider to be in very much in tune with what's going on. I mean, they tell me they're like,
Starting point is 00:29:47 Oh, I just, you know, started reading some stuff. Let's do a couple of podcasts to see what you're going to do. Uh, the, the day of,
Starting point is 00:29:52 right. And Duke Johnson went in the fourth round. And this is a, you know, from a guy that I know does not really pay much attention to it. All right. So we'll, we'll come back.
Starting point is 00:29:59 We'll take a quick break here. When we come back, we'll talk a little bit more about team building. Um, some more strategies to take a look at. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. All right, so let's get back to the sort of pick-by-pick breakdown here. So, Jamie had the first pick of the draft, and we know he went Barkley, Fournette, and then Todd Gurley. Dave was on the clock in round three now with Alvin Kamara and Zach Ertz, and then he took
Starting point is 00:30:20 Damian Williams. Okay, so Damian Williams, that's a good idea of when Dave is comfortable taking him. Are you guys comfortable taking Damian Williams 26th overall? Yes. That's right about the right range. You have to love the upside for Dave's team with that type of start. I mean, you have a fantastic tight end and two possibly elite running backs.
Starting point is 00:30:40 I think it's interesting to compare the first two teams because you look at it, Dave's number one receiver is Josh Gordon right my number one receiver is AJ Green by the middle of the year who's better
Starting point is 00:30:54 I hope AJ Green I expect AJ Green I haven't ranked Tyre and I got him a round later well you got him oh wait I'm sorry I'm getting confused because it's you got him a full round later or you got him no you got him. No, you got him. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. I'm getting confused because it's... You got him a full round later or you got him... No, you got him two picks later.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Two picks later, but it's a round later. You got him with the first pick of round five. I got him in round five. Dave got him in round four. Dave got Josh Gordon with the second to last pick of round four. So I think team two is interesting because it is a three receiver leagueiver league, and you can start four receivers, and the receivers aren't very good. So this goes back to what we were talking about yesterday is do you – if you take a tight end early, should you also take a quarterback early
Starting point is 00:31:38 and try to be elite at both spots, or should you just be more worried about sort of filling out your running back and receiver depth? So let's take a look at team two. Kamara, and when I say team two, it means picking out of the second spot, obviously. Kamara, Ertz, Damian Williams. Like, it's a really cool start. Very exciting.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Josh Gordon, and then Deshaun Watson in round five. And the best, you know, Heath had just alluded to that wide receiver run of Cupp, Ridley, Galladay, Moore, Boyd, Gordon, A.J. Green. The best wide receiver there was Mike Williams. So I think... Well, the next guy drafted was Mike Williams. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:19 Okay, so who was the best wide receiver left then if it wasn't Mike Williams? I mean, I would say that was... D.D. was still on the board, right? In my rankings, it'd be Didi. Yeah, I would say it's anyone of Didi, Samuel, I think it may have been Anderson. Robbie Anderson. Yeah, that group. So,
Starting point is 00:32:35 are those guys good enough to go ahead of Deshaun Watson as Dave's second wide receiver, or should he have just taken Deshaun Watson there, which is what he did? I mean, this kind of goes back to what I was saying with what I did with team one. It's, you know, if it's either, you're going to take something to fill a need. Um, and when I say that, obviously he's a quarterback, but to fill a need at a, a deeper roster position, because like you said, we're starting three receivers and I made the same conscious decision. I actually thought
Starting point is 00:32:58 when the board was falling to me that, okay, if Josh Gordon makes it to me, I'm taking Josh Gordon, AJ green. And then when Gordon went, I said, you know what? I'm just going to take the best player, which was Evan Ingram. And so I took Ingram and Green. And so I think in Dave's case, he took the best player. The funny thing is when Dave picked Josh Gordon, he was trying, because I was actually talking to him. You were in here, I think, doing a podcast. And he was trying to decide whether to take Josh Gordon or AJ Green to see if either one of them were falling. You were planning on taking both of them. I was going to decide whether to take Josh Gordon or A.J. Green to see if either one of them were falling. You were planning on taking both of them.
Starting point is 00:33:26 I was going to. Neither of them were. Because, again, the way that I built my team was let me get those three receivers. I'm like, oh, wow, if I can get those three running backs and A.J. Green and Josh Gordon, I love this. And I still love it. You know, with Ingram, it's just a matter of, you know, you're shuffling positions around. And I think this goes to, again, you have to start a quarterback. So do you want to have one of the best, which obviously Deshaun Watson is,
Starting point is 00:33:49 or do you want to have mediocre guy and Mike Williams or Will Fuller or D.D. Westbrook or whoever you want to throw into that spot? All right, so I want to spend a little more time on this team because I think Dave made the right call in taking Deshaun Watson. So Alvin Kamara, Zach Ertz, Damian Williams, Josh Gordon, Deshaun Watson. When your number one wide receiver is Josh Gordon, who never plays 16 games and has had battled issues, obviously, you can't sit there and assume he's going to play 16 games. It's a little scary. So Dave in round six took Alshon Jeffrey, and then his next three picks were running back. So he has
Starting point is 00:34:23 to start three receivers. And right now they're looking like Josh Gordon, Alshon Jeffrey, and then his next three picks were running back. So he has to start three receivers, and right now they're looking like Josh Gordon, Alshon Jeffrey, and then maybe James Washington, Cole Beasley, Michael Gallup, and Akeel Harry. Those are his other guys. I mean, he's going to be weak at wide receiver, but he's great. Kamara and Damian Williams, Zach Ertz, Deshaun Watson, and then he also has James White as a flex. He has Justin Jackson.
Starting point is 00:34:46 He took Tony Pollard in round nine instead of a third wide receiver, but really it was just John Brown and Cortland Sutton he could have had before his next pick. Jamie took both of them in between Dave's next pick. So I don't know. You look at his roster and you say, gosh, you're starting Michael Gallup, James Washington,
Starting point is 00:35:01 Cole Beasley, or Nikhil Harry at your third receiver. And I say, you know what? He'll figure it out. It's a long season. There are waivers. I like this team, even with the glaring hole at receiver, which is Gordon, Alshon, Jeffrey, and then that crap I just talked about. I think it's interesting to compare this team to Ben's number 12 team just
Starting point is 00:35:25 because yes, he started off with great running backs. He's got a top two quarterback. He's got a top two tight end, but he's probably behind Ben in both of those spots. He's got, Ben's got two spots that he's got to fill every week and he's got to find it amongst these running backs.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Breida, Penny, Balazs, Hill, you know, waiver wire, whatever. Dave's got two spots that he's got to fill.
Starting point is 00:35:47 No, he has one. He's got to fill a flex. James White. Okay. Which makes a big difference. It's a good point. I think that James White really kind of puts his team, makes me feel a lot better about his team.
Starting point is 00:36:01 It is a fair comparison because I think while I would give the edge to Jeffrey, you can make a comparison that Jeffrey and Matt Breida, given what their roles are in their respective teams, are kind of similar. And then it's James White to Jarvis Landry, flex to flex. Or no,
Starting point is 00:36:18 I guess it would be Curtis Samuel. Do you like the more running back heavy approach or the more wide receiver heavy approach? I think if Ben had just taken a couple different running backs, like the only thing I don't like what Dave did was I think taking the three running backs back to back to back while there's certainly plenty of upside, like if Ezekiel Elliott signs, there's no way Tony Pollard should be in the spot on his team. And I, you said something about how unsafe Ben's team was.
Starting point is 00:36:43 I, I actually like Ben's floor, I think, a little better. Oh, yeah, I would agree. You know, because if, you know, look, you know, in looking at Ben's team, there's probably a chance of. Because he took Matt Breida, Rashad Penny, Kalen Balazs, Justice Hill and Ido Smith. I'll throw Chase Edmonds in there as well. There's probably a good chance that maybe two of those guys are starting three or four weeks because the guy in front of them got hurt yeah right so and just to we keep mentioning ben's team this is the mahomes kelsey tyree kill chris godwin jarvis landry curtis samuel no running backs until round what rounds seven seven no running backs until
Starting point is 00:37:21 round seven team so um yeah he is a couple of injuries away from winning the league, which I think is Ben's philosophy. Get guys in good offenses that could push into a huge role. All right. He and I did a similar approach, you know, like where he's shallow at one spot, and he just threw everything that he had from round seven on at running back. I did the same thing at receiver.
Starting point is 00:37:42 All right. So you're talking about with team one where you took Barkley for him. Yes. Right. All right. Let's go to team three. So Heath, how did you build this team? We're not going to have time to go pick by pick. So how did you build team three? You started with McCaffrey and Keenan Allen. Yeah, I started with one
Starting point is 00:37:58 running back and Christian McCaffrey and took three straight wide receivers, Keenan Allen, Stefan Diggs and Tyler Boyd. And I fully expect that to be one of the better receiving cores in the league, maybe not quite as good as Ben's. And then I took three more running backs. I couldn't continue to let Melvin Gordon fall. I got him with the, I believe 10th pick of the sixth round. It could be a wasted pick, but I really expect he's going to play at least half the year. And if we get to a point to where I'm starting Christian McCaffrey and Melvin
Starting point is 00:38:26 Gordon and Tevin Coleman is my flex and I've got those three wide receivers and Carson Wentz at quarterback, I'm going to like this team a lot. I did the friendship strategy in round 11 and 12 with Miles Boykin and Marquise Brown. And then a pair of tight ends at the very end of the
Starting point is 00:38:42 draft. Glad Jordan Reed's playing week one. And I've kind of come around to the idea that as disappointing as he was last year, I don't know that Trey Burton should be the number 20 tight end in ADP. He's probably going to finish somewhere in the top 15. I like this team. McCaffrey, Tevin Coleman, Melvin Gordon, Tariq Cohen, and Peyton Barber and Jarek McKinnon at running back. You only have to start two, but you could
Starting point is 00:39:09 certainly go McCaffrey, Coleman, and Tariq Cohen as your flex. With Keenan Allen, Stefan Diggs, and Tyler Boyd, I mean, that's probably how it's going to line up. And then Carson Wentz at quarterback, and then late tight ends Jordan Reed and Trey Burton. I won't go through all the bench players,
Starting point is 00:39:26 but yeah, I think this is a good team. So you went running back, receiver, receiver, receiver. And then team four is pretty interesting in this three receiver league. Ben went David Johnson, Dalvin Cook, and then he went nuts at receiver. He took six straight wide receivers. David Johnson, Dalvin Cook, Brandon Cooks, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Robbie Anderson, receivers david johnson dalvin cook brandon cooks dj moore mike williams robbie anderson
Starting point is 00:39:47 cory davis and marquez valdez scantling i don't know i just feel like if you're gonna take six straight receivers i don't know that he nailed it like cooks dj well he took upside guys look the thing is like ben has his guys i bet ben and i probably just disagree on players a lot so i don't want to you you know, I'm not saying I'm right. Cooks, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Robbie Anderson, Corey Davis, Marquez Valdez, Scantling. I guess it's good, but like I
Starting point is 00:40:13 like Heath's receiving core even though it's shallower of Keenan Allen, Stefan Diggs, Tyler Boyd. It just feels like a lot better to me. I don't know. Well, he also took two of them first. Yeah, but Diggs and Cooks were back-to-back. That's his number one and my number two, though. I understand, but I'm just saying investing one round earlier
Starting point is 00:40:33 in wide receiver, to me, feels a lot better. Do you guys? If Melvin Gordon is playing a month into the season, then I agree my team's a lot better. But if Melvin Gordon is playing a month into the season, then I agree my team's a lot better. But if Melvin Gordon's out... But that was the perfect spot for you to swing for the fences. Right, yeah. You went with...
Starting point is 00:40:53 Obviously, you're not going to pass on McAfee or Kamara, whoever falls two or three. And then you took those three receivers, which I think a lot of people would say those are the three best guys on the board. You can argue Boyd, but still, that's... Allen and Diggs in two and three in a three-receiver PPR league.
Starting point is 00:41:07 That's fantastic. And then Coleman in round five as your second running back, great. And so it's okay. At that point, does it make more sense to take Alshon, Sterling Shepard, Emmanuel Sanders, James White, Tricone, the guys that went right around him,
Starting point is 00:41:23 or try and win the league? And at around him, or try and win the league. And at that point, you try and win the league. So that's Team 4, which is Kyler Murray at quarterback, David Johnson, Dalvin Cook, Ronald Jones and Jalen Rashard, Jamal Williams, Giovanni Bernard, and Rex Burkhead at running back. I'll just give you just a quick comparison with Melvin Gordon. And if I knew that Zeke was playing just because I had the choice of, I took Eckler over Melvin Gordon.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Right. And I did that consciously with the thought of, okay, if I don't have Zeke for maybe a couple weeks, I'm expecting, and I've talked about this a lot, obviously Eckler, this is team five, that Eckler, even if Melvin Gordon comes back, still has the ability to be a starting player for you, whether it's running back or flex,
Starting point is 00:42:06 depending on how your team looks. When you look at your teams, is there, all these teams, is there a strategy you feel like worked the best? An overall takeaway? It's so hard to have a strategy when you're doing it with these three other guys. It really is because, like,
Starting point is 00:42:23 I know the things they're going to do. Right. You know? Right. My favorite team we haven't gotten to yet, but I do think the three wide receivers, one running back, worked pretty well. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:33 What's your favorite team? Seven. All right. That is a Heath team. So team seven. Yeah, my favorite team out of mine. Oh, I thought you meant overall. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Oh, it's a great team. Probably still my favorite team of mine. Juju, Thielen, and Kup at wide receiver. The round two pick was Joe Mixon. And Duke Johnson, Phillip. Yeah, this is a good team. Duke Johnson, Phillip, Lindsey, Royce Freeman, Hunter Henry. But here's how it broke down from the seventh spot.
Starting point is 00:42:59 Juju, Mixon, Thielen, Cooper K Cup, Hunter Henry in round five, and then three straight running backs in round six through eight. Duke Johnson, Phillip Lindsey, and Royce Freeman. Man, Phillip Lindsey in round seven. That's good. Tyrell Williams, LaShawn McCoy, Golden Tate. Yeah, he's going to be good when he comes back. Jared Goff and Ben Roethlisberger, Mike Davis and Carlos Hyde.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Yeah, this is so far my favorite team. That's great. It's funny. I think... I'm going to guess Ben's not a Duke Johnson guy. He, I believe, if we all four had rankings, would have him the second highest. He should have taken him.
Starting point is 00:43:40 I don't think he's going to fall this far. That was round six. Early round. Mid-round six. All right. So if you could sum up why this team worked so well, Heath. Again, it's Goff and Roethlisberger who you took in rounds 12 and 13.
Starting point is 00:43:56 It's Juju, Thielen, and Kup were three of your first four picks. And your running backs are Mixon, Duke Johnson, Phillip Lindsay, Royce Freeman, LaShawn McCoy, Mike Davis, and Carlos Hyde. Hyde, a smart move as the Duke Johnson owner with your last pick. And Hunter Henry, your tight end in round five. Yeah, I don't know. You nailed it. Is Ben also down on Thielen like we are?
Starting point is 00:44:17 I don't know. Because Thielen also falling. The goal of the third in PPR is probably not realistic either. Right. No, I think part of it was this was in this draft one of the best places to draft from. I just kind of seemed to catch
Starting point is 00:44:35 the end of a couple of runs and a couple of tiers. It worked out really well. Now, golf in Roethlisberger in round 12 and 13 is probably not going to happen in very many drafts either, but Hunter Henry is a perfect example of it. If I miss Hunter Henry, I don't like this team near as much
Starting point is 00:44:54 because like my other two teams, it has a terrible tight end. Yeah. Well, but if you had missed Hunter Henry, who would you have taken? Would you have taken a running back like David Montgomery or Sonny Michel or Kenyon Drake? Or would you have taken? Would you have taken a running back like David Montgomery or Sonny Michel or Kenyon Drake? Or would you have taken Will Fuller or a wide receiver? Yeah, I definitely would not.
Starting point is 00:45:10 The problem is that that would have put me in a really tough spot because I'm relatively certain my two highest ranked players in PPR would have been Kenyon Drake and DeeDee Westbrook. And it's really too early based on ADP to take either of them there. I was really lucky that Hunter, I mean, I might have taken Duke Johnson. You could to take either of them there. I was really lucky that Hunter Henry... I mean, I might have taken Duke Johnson, who I took in the next round. You could have taken Didi there. I could have.
Starting point is 00:45:29 That's just higher than he goes. But you get to throw at ADP when you're doing this. I had a similar approach with my first four picks with pick nine, which is probably my favorite team too. And this is where the tight end difference becomes, because what I did was in round five, I took David Montgomery instead of a tight end. Yeah, they were all gone by the time they were all gone.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Right. So because because Hunter Henry had come off the board two picks earlier. Right. You know, so I went receiver running back to receivers, you know, very similar start. You know, again, you could debate who's got better players. I think they're very similar. And then I went to running backs right after. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:01 So let's let's OK, we're going to take a break. And when we come back, we're going to wrap things up. We're going to compare Team 7 and Team 9. Both teams drafted a wide receiver in round one and a running back in round two. And let's see how the rest of it unfolded. We also have a special week one segment at the end of the show. In case you haven't noticed the Chris Harris interview, I will push – not doing it today on this episode. I will put it at the end of the Mike McClure DFS interview.
Starting point is 00:46:22 So, you will hear the Chris Harris interview later tonight on this Wednesday night. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. All right, wrapping it up here. So as I mentioned earlier, the first five picks for running backs in the round one, the last seven picks were wide receivers. They were each of the top seven wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Those seven teams, two of them took a tight end in round two, three of them took a running, four of them took a running back and one of them took a tight end in round two three of them took a running four of them took a running back and one of them took mike evans uh so if we compare team seven and nine in a three receiver ppr league they both went wide receiver running back wide receiver wide receiver. Heath was Juju, Mixon, Phelan, and Kup. Jamie out of the nine spot was Adams, Le'Veon Bell, Robert Woods, and Tyler Lockett. Let's just call it a push at that point.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Heath then took Hunter Henry, and Jamie took David Montgomery two picks later. And then Jamie took Marlon Mack, while Heath took Duke Johnson. So we've already established that Heath's team, Team 7, is great. How did Jamie's team finish? Jameis Winston is his quarterback. He took him right around when Jared Goff went for Heath.
Starting point is 00:47:43 Devontae Adams, Robert Woods, Tyler Lockett, Marvin Jones are his four receivers, plus Jeronimo Allison and a couple of 49ers not named Pettis. Running backs are Le'Veon Bell, David Montgomery, Marlon Mack, and Darius Geis. And Delaney Walker's his tight end. And I love this team. I think both of these teams are great. And this might be how I would lean now. Like seeing this pick by pick
Starting point is 00:48:05 series if I'm in a three receiver league I think if you're picking late after the big five running backs are going big four running backs are gone or whatever going wide receiver running back receiver receiver I think it could really work for you I just think that you're probably waiting to take
Starting point is 00:48:21 you know a quarterback that's ranked somewhere around 8 to 12, like Goff and Roethlisberger and Winston. Guys, I think you did a great job from those seven and nine spots, and I think this is a really, really smart way to start a three-receiver team. Thanks, Adam.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Yeah, I think it's, you know, the nice thing for both of us is we have three receivers that are top 20, however you want to break it down, and that makes it pretty satisfying when you have two top 10 running, when you have a top 10 running back, you know? And so I think that's the thing that makes these rosters work so well. And then, you know, for Heath's case, he has a great tight end, you know, one of the top six guys,
Starting point is 00:48:59 and still very good running back depth with Duke Johnson and Phillip Lindsay filling out his two and his three. You know, I may have a little bit better fourth receiver, and I know as much as you like Tyra Williams, I think you like Marvin Jones a little better than me. Yeah, they're ranked right at the same spot for me. Most people would take Marvin Jones over Tyra Williams. And, you know, it's just, you know, you start to have slight differences. But, yeah, I agree with you, Adam. I think this is, like he said, that's his favorite team.
Starting point is 00:49:26 I think it's my favorite team as well. My apologies to Chris Harris. I did want to get that interview in on this episode, but I realized we just needed a little bit more time to talk about this pick-by-pick series. He's going to beat you to a pulp. Yeah, he's very in shape, and he is going to kick my butt. Do you remember that story, how he was fawning over Chris Harris?
Starting point is 00:49:45 No. He met Chris at the Flex Draft two years ago. Talking about how good of a shape he was in? Speaking of Flex, very fit. And so I said to Chris during the interview which we recorded that Chris knows
Starting point is 00:50:00 Eric Young from WWE. I said, Chris, can you imagine as Adam was fawning over you, now he's sitting in a room with a professional wrestler for six hours. Right. The compliments that were probably going in Eric Young's direction. Heath, what was the question? Adam was very uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:50:14 What was the question you asked Eric Young as it relates to me? The question that we've been debating in the office for weeks now, how far he could carry adam azar and he almost like he did he was so professional did such a great job was a joy working with him he almost lost it completely when he heard that adam weighed 135 pounds i weigh 143 pounds 143 pounds like he just giggling was so funny. He said, well, I can squat 460, so I think I can carry him for a mile. He could squat
Starting point is 00:50:50 almost four of you. If he had a bar and two of you sat on each side, he could probably do that once. If you saw the telethon, Heath was not just wearing a V-neck. He was a capital V. Full shades. Chest hair was everywhere.
Starting point is 00:51:08 That was a lot more intimidating than Eric Young, by the way. If one of the lights fell here and the room caught on fire and Heath's chest hair caught on fire, Eric would have picked Adam up and carried him to safety while probably still picking up maybe two or three other things. Yeah, and eating a pizza. Alright, guys.
Starting point is 00:51:24 We have a few minutes left. We have to do our Head & Shoulders segment, looking ahead to Week 1, Offense vs. Defense. Last year, Patrick Mahomes had his worst game of the season against the Jacksonville Jaguars. He scored 15 fantasy points in a 6-point-per-passing touchdown league and a 4-point-per-passing touchdown league because he didn't throw a touchdown,
Starting point is 00:51:40 but he did rush for one. That was, again, his worst game of the year, and it was in Arrowhead. Week 1, he's at Jacksonville. They allowed the sixth fewest fantasy points to opposing quarterbacks. They added Josh Allen. There were only two quarterbacks last year that had good games without a rushing touchdown. Like, really good games without a rushing touchdown against the Jaguars. So my question is, would you start Patrick Holmes in week one?
Starting point is 00:52:01 Let's just play a game and pretend you have a second quarterback. Or Dak Prescott, who is home against the Giants. Last time he faced the Giants was week 17. He had 41 fantasy points, threw for 387 yards and four touchdowns. Must be noted, his first game against the Giants wasn't very good, only 16 fantasy points. But offense versus defense, head and shoulders, Patrick Mahomes or Dak Prescott in week one.
Starting point is 00:52:26 I'm going to assume we're playing this out as if Mark Cooper is on the field for the Cowboys because that's a huge difference maker, clearly. I'm still starting Mahomes. I'm not going to get cute with it, but it would not surprise me if Prescott is better. You don't draft Patrick Mahomes as high as you do with the thought of benching him really any week. And as we know, Andy Reid,
Starting point is 00:52:45 when he has time to prepare for a defense, he usually is typically very good, which is why his record coming off buys is fantastic. But I don't think, you know, I haven't gotten to my week one rankings yet. I don't think Mahomes is going to be my number one quarterback for the week. I haven't done my rankings yet.
Starting point is 00:52:59 I ran my first run of week one projections last night, and Patrick Mahomes was not my number one quarterback. Yeah, it's... He was number two. He was. He's number one. Watson. Yeah, I don't think Mahomes is... He may not be my top five.
Starting point is 00:53:13 Jacksonville's defense is going to be nasty once again, and like you said, Adam, this was early in the season when that defense was still playing at a very high level when they met last year. They're going to be better. I will just say one thing, like, in looking back at that game, because I thought that I remembered
Starting point is 00:53:28 it this way. Patrick Mahomes threw for 313 yards in that game and averaged 8.2 yards per attempt, which is well above average. That was at home, though. The fact that he didn't throw a touchdown is a little bit fluky. Sure. But the fact that he rushed for a touchdown might be a little fluky, too. I do have to wrap it up.
Starting point is 00:53:45 I'm sorry. Just real quick. I spoke to Calais Campbell at the Pro Bowl because I did the story in our magazine about Patrick Mahomes and I said, you know, what was your key to success? And he's like, you have to hit that guy. And if there's any team that can hit him, they have one of the best defensive lines in football. Alright. Hey, we have a Patrick Mahomes song that I plan on playing
Starting point is 00:54:01 on the show tomorrow. As long as you don't sing it, we're good. It's Patrick Mahomes. That offense against that Jacksonville defense. I am not singing it. Someone else is singing it. DFS, it's easy to play Dak. Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:54:14 And Dak was a top six quarterback in my first correction. So he's up there. Head and shoulders. Great offense for your hair and defense for a flake-free scalp. Go visit headandshoulders.com slash NFL for more. I hope this was helpful, everybody, in building your team. Thanks to Jamie and to Heath. Sorry to Chris Harris,
Starting point is 00:54:31 but you're going to hear him later tonight when we have our special DFS episode with Mike McClure. For Heath and Jamie, I'm Adam. Talk to you tomorrow, or talk to you tonight, actually, on Fantasy Football Today.

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