Fantasy Football Today - 10 Best Early ADPs! (07/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Vote for Fantasy Football Today for "Best Male-Hosted Podcast" and "Best Sports Podcast" on PodcastAwards.com Looking for some steals in your drafts? We've got 10 players who are great values right now and could continue to be as we get deeper into draft season. First, we react to the Saquon Barkley news (1:40) and compare him to Nick Chubb (5:30). Are we ready to move Chubb ahead? Then, Jamey is on the clock in our startup dynasty league (10:00)! Will Adam make a trade for Jamey's pick and select Justin Herbert? ... As we look at the best early values in drafts, we start with a couple of tight ends who could be taken in Round 6 or 7 (15:00). Who is the better value: Darren Waller or Kyle Pitts? We then discuss Anthony Richardson (23:30), Khalil Herbert (31:35) and two wide receivers you can take in Round 8 or later (34:45) ... Moving on to Dave's list, Tony Pollard is a steal right now (41:30) and a reason to go with an RB/RB start to your draft. Dave also talks about why he likes Dameon Pierce (45:30) and we debate Alvin Kamara's value (47:05) and finish with a WR who is going way too late (53:00) ... Email us at [e-mail] SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Big day here on Fantasy Football today. Jamie is on the clock at our Dynasty League, considering trades from four or five different people, including me. Saquon Barkley has agreed to a deal with the New York Giants.

That's great news. We can stop worrying about that one. It is Alvin Kamara's birthday, and I forgot to wish Dave a happy birthday yesterday. Jamie, did you? I did. On the air. Oh, good for you. He wished me a happy birthday like four separate times yesterday.

Like what an amazing guy. You could have told me. Much appreciated. But he didn't do the best thing that he could have done on my birthday. That was taken care of by somebody else. Okay, that's, yeah, okay. Well, I am totally thrown off now. I think that's a food reference.

But we also have to talk about the 10 best early ADP values. Five from Jamie and five from Dave. Two of them are tight ends that have something in common. The highest ADOT for a tight end in 10 seasons. More on that a little bit later. That's what they had last year. So let's start with the Barkley news, then we'll get into the best values, and then we will get into the news and notes.

And there are a lot of those, including an update on Kadarius Toney, who's expected to be ready for week one. But Dave Saquon Barkley gets a deal that's a little bit better than the franchise tag. He can make up to $11 million. So I just want to tell you, I would say, I would call his season last year a little overrated. He was RB5 per game in PPR, which is his stronger format. He had 57 catches in 16 games. But if you look at his points per game, in the previous five seasons, he would have been RB8 or RB9 per game, based on his points per game. If you take out the Eagles game

where he entered the game hurt, he barely played, 31% of the snaps scored six points. And you give him 18.3 points per game that would have made him in the previous five years RB6, RB9, RB8, RB6, and RB4 in 2021. So I would say a little overrated,

especially the second half where he kind of stunk, but he scored some touchdowns. So anyway, you said on Friday in our live draft, I think you said you'd take him like six or seventh. If you were in training camp and there were no issues, where are you on Barkley now? Among running back.

So I would take him. So overall, overall, overall, that's probably, I take him sooner than that. If it's non PPR, if it's full PPR, I've got him currently at 10.

So he's behind McCaffrey, Eckler, and Bijan. I remember debating in my head Barkley versus Bijan. There's no debate anymore. I'm taking the rookie. But he's also behind the surefire wide receivers of Jefferson, Chase, Cup, Tyreek Hill, Steph Stefan digs. Those guys have 20 plus PPR point potential. And I don't think Saquon's got that anymore. Now what I'm wrestling with is Saquon versus Tony Pollard, Saquon versus Derek Henry. And then that next group of wide receivers Saquon versus CD lamb versus Devante Adams versus AJ Brown, maybe even versus a Munra St. Brown.

I'm happy that he's going to be in training camp. We don't have to worry about him showing up a week before the season and not being in shape. He'll be in game shape. And still last year was good for him. It was 17.8 PPR points per game. I expect that number to trickle down just a little bit, given all the additions that the Giants made in their passing game.

I think that'll help them spread the wealth around a little bit more and not be so reliant on Saquon Barkley. But I hate the schedule. They're taking on the Eagles twice. They're taking on the Cowboys twice. I think those defenses are going to be awesome. They've got the NFC West on top of that. They've got the AFC East on top of that.

And then the Saints, the Packers, those two teams have pretty good defenses as well. It will not be an easy run for Saquon. I don't think he's going to. There's a chance he falls out of my first round in full PPR, in which case he'd be almost a bargain. I expect him to go anywhere between 8th and 14th in every single PPR league this summer. Okay. The draft we did on Friday was half PPR.

I think after Cup came off the board, maybe you were saying you would take Barkley. So you named eight players. You named five receivers and three running backs. You did not say Kelsey. Oh, Kelsey's ahead of him. That's obvious. So that would put Barkley at 10.

So, Jamie, how about you on Barkley? He's going to be a first-round pick. There's just too much still upside with him for what he does. I think he was one of, if I saw this correctly, one of two running backs maybe that played 90% of their snaps or 80% of their snaps the entire season last year. I forget what the number was, but he's still their offense. As much as they did make some changes, he's still their guy. And this, I think, speaks to him wanting to be there, which is the best part about it. I did a poll, which running back would you rather draft in the first round,

assuming McCaffrey and Eckler are off the board? And I listed four, and I got yelled at for not having five on there, which was Nick Chubb. But Bijan, Saquon, Taylor, and Pollard. And Bijan got 37.8% of the votes. It's almost 2,500 votes right now. This was this morning. Barkley was second at 32.3%. So I think it's going to be very interesting to see when you start to get past, which will most likely be the consensus of McCaffrey and Eckler, the next really six to seven guys, depending on Jacob's situation. But Bijan, Barkley, Taylor, Pollard, Chubb, and Jacobs, and Henry. Who likes those guys better?

But the overwhelming response, honestly, was leaving Nick Chubb out. And I went and just looked because I did a draft with the Fantasy Pros guys yesterday and they were very high on Nick Chubb. Of the four guys that do rankings for them, three of them have Nick Chubb as their third running back overall.

So we're probably too low on Nick Chubb as their third running back overall. We're probably too low on Nick Chubb consensus-wise for us. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say you're probably too low on him. You might have him appropriately ranked. Maybe they're too high on him. Potentially. It's such a good setup for him.

It's hard for me not to put him higher. He's becoming the running back that's going to get overhyped a little bit. By the time we get to mid-August, he could be going... What are the flaws? What are the flaws?

He's been so good with Kareem Hunt and now Kareem Hunt is gone. They're talking about using him more in the passing game. It's still a very good offensive line. The offense as a whole should be better because Deshaun Watson's clearly not played over any quarterback that they've had, you know, since he's been there.

And so it just, you know, if you're going to judge based on what he did with Deshaun Watson last season in that small sample size, you're making a huge mistake because even though he did not score, they were forcing the ball in Deshaun Watson's hands to see what he could do coming back from the suspension. It was as plain as day.

And Nick Chubb is now in such a great spot. It's probably his last big season. You know, I'm changing. I'm putting him on. Hold on, wait. Let me see if I can talk even further into it. Do you know what he averaged with Brissette last year? A billion points. 18.9.

So a little lower than a billion but still really good better than Barkley better than better than Barkley even if you remove the it was also it was also a career year for Chubb almost 1800 total yards 13 touchdowns he played 17 games I think it's the second time in four years that he played a full season so he didn't get hurt I love the guy he's super talented at least 14 14.5 PPR points per game each of the past four seasons. He seems super safe. And if this is true about him getting more work in the passing

game, then it'll be justifiable. Alright, so I think that's where this comes down to here because in a non-PPR league I think Chubb over Barkley dare I say is an easy call? Is that an easy call? Chubb over Barkley, dare I say, is an easy call. Is that an easy call? Chubb over Barkley and non PPR?

I don't have it that way, but yes, you can certainly make the case. Half PPR is tough. They had, they scored almost the same exact amount of points per game last year. Full PPR, you know, again, Barkley was better than Chubb by one spot, number five versus number six, but it depends how you want to treat that Eagles game you take that out he was two points per game better than Chubb and the catches are the reason why so you know

and the thing is we say oh well he doesn't have Kareem Hunt Kareem Hunt had pretty much no role last year after the first five or six games he had something like five carries per game someone's going to get those Chubb was a workhorse but games. He had something like five carries per game. Someone's going to get those. Jerome Ford. Yeah, Chubb was a workhorse,

but will he catch passes? I know they're talking about him being used in the passing game more, but we've heard that before. They also said Jerome Ford is looking good in that role, too. How big is the gap going to be? It is safer to take Barkley in PPR over Chubb.

Okay, but you're still going to do it? You're still going to take Chubb take Barkley in PPR over Chubb. Okay. But you're still going to do it? You're still going to take Chubb over Barkley? I'm going to take Chubb over Barkley. Okay. All right, let's move on and talk about the podcast awards. If everybody wouldn't mind, please pause this show and go to podcastawards.com and vote for us, Fantasy Football Today, or nominate us, whatever stage we're at here.

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Yeah. Jamie's on the clock. Let's take a quick look at this. This, I think, is super interesting. We started our startup dynasty super flex PPR draft yesterday, and we've made seven picks in 24 hours. But that's all good because there have been three or four trades,

and Jamie is on the clock right now. And the first seven picks have been Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and then two non-quarterbacks, Justin Jefferson and Bijan Robinson. And that brings Jamie up to number eight, where he plans on taking Justin Herbert. But the guy picking number nine,

a very shrewd fantasy manager who I respect a lot, also wants Justin Herbert, and that is me. So what am I willing to give Jamie to move up one spot? And Dave, if he takes Justin Herbert, I could take Jamar Chase and I could also take Justin Fields and I could take Trevor Lawrence. Right now I'm leading Trevor Lawrence. The question is, in a startup dynasty league, how big of a difference is there between Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert? What do you think? Who am I trying to help here?

Am I helping the fantasy manager that you respect a lot, which is you? Everyone out there. Or do I help my partner for 16 years or so at CBS? I don't think that there's a huge difference between the two of them. I don't see either one of them fizzling out at any point over the next five years. So I would not pay very much to move up one spot for Justin Hurley. Yeah, I was going to give him a second round. I was going to make the offer of my ninth pick, which he has the eighth,

move down one spot, and Jamie would get my second-round rookie pick next year. Would you take that deal, Jamie? I would certainly consider it in the next 20 minutes. You know what? I think I'm just going to go with Trevor Lawrence. I think I'm fine with it. So you can go ahead and either take another trade offer or you can take Justin Herbert.

What are you going to do? I got some interesting ones. You want me to share them? Yeah, go ahead. Yes, yes. So I got one that was, they're both basically the same. One was Lamar Jackson, who's already been taken, for my first round pick and my second round pick.

So that's a no-go. And that's in the – remember, we're doing the startup dynasty draft, which is 21 rounds, I think, maybe 23. So he's talking about his first and second round picks in this startup dynasty. Any future picks would be just rookie-only drafts, which are four rounds. Go ahead. Correct. And then I got also basically the same deal,

which is Joe Burrow for those same picks. No. There's just not a big enough... Herbert's such a great pick for you. So why... Let me ask you this. This is, you know, for everyone. You have Justin Fields ranked ahead of Herbert

in your redraft rankings. Why are you taking Herbert over Fields in Dynasty? Well, first off, they're very close. So if I was doing projections, they would be very close. But I think whenever you're talking long-term, the running quarterbacks have the same issues that they've had forever, which is the injury risk. And we already saw it last year with Justin Fields.

He hurt his shoulder when he got tackled. So I know Herbert dealt with a rib injury. You can make that argument as well. But I just think long-term, Justin Herbert's career span is safer. And so it's a close enough ceiling with a higher floor that I just feel more comfortable in this format, in a dynasty format, long-term format, with Justin Herbert. If this was a redraft league, I would-term format with Justin Herbert. If this was a redraft league, I would take my chances with Fields for the one season because I think he's

going to pop. Not that Herbert won't, but again, it's just, you know, minuscule in terms of the season long points. It would be a little bit more dramatic in terms of the long-term value. Honestly, if we were to make that deal, it would be a tough call between Lawrence and Chase for me because I'm torn between Herbert and Chase right now. Oh, so take Chase. No. No. Chase would be tough to pass up,

but man, I just feel like if I don't take a quarterback in round one, I'm just... It's hard. I'm going to lose this year. I'm going to be bad this year, I feel like. Possibly. Well, all right. Let's move on. It's not just this year, though. Again, it's long-term. You have a tough call as well between Lawrence and Chase. Because again, Chase, we assume, tied to Joe Burrow, is going to be a superstar. You made the argument, which is hard to disagree,

that he's even better than Justin Jefferson because you know he's tied to his quarterback forever. At least the majority of their careers. Whereas Justin Jefferson at some point may have a rookie quarterback, and that could be ugly for a year or two, depending on how that goes there in Minnesota. So I don't necessarily think it's a horrible strategy, but for me, I just love the setup of Justin Herbert. I think this year he's going to have what Kellen Moore is going to be special.

All right, let's get the 10 best early draft values. And, oh, Jamie took justin herbert now i'm on the clock all right i'm just gonna i'll see if some trade offers come in that's it there we go yeah you gotta wait yeah yeah i guess it gets a good trade office okay so um among tight end usually i use 50 targets as the as the floor is the you know the measuring stick for tight ends but darren waller only had 43 last year. So among tight ends with 43 or more targets, Kyle Pitts and Darren Waller had by far the highest ADOTs.

Now, Jamie's going to make the argument that Darren Waller is one of the best values. Dave is going to talk about Kyle Pitts being one of the best values here. Their ADOTs were way too high. We don't really have to talk about this, but they had the highest ADOT for any tight end with 43 or more targets in the last 10 seasons. It was over 13.4 yards for both of them.

And that's just crazy. And I think they'll have more success with a more reasonable ADOT, even if it's, you know, 11, 12, something like that, but it just too high. You just don't see successful tight ends with that high of an ADOT. Why don't we start with the tight ends then? We'll go a little out of order here. And Jamie, you're going to say Darren Waller, who's tight end seven at 75th overall, according to NFC average draft position in July. And Dave, you're going to say Kyle Pitts, who is tight end five, but only five picks ahead of Waller. So they're going in the same range. Jamie, you can start.

Tell me, if you believe this, why Waller is better value than Pitts. I think they're both incredible value. But again, you know, if we're talking about a tier and getting a guy at the end of a tier, I would rather wait to see if I can get Waller later, depending on where I'm picking. Now, clearly ADP is a little skewed by that because of how close they are. But I just think that the setup for Darren Waller, if he had not,

but let's just, and again, you can play the same game with Kyle Pitts, but if he had not gotten hurt the last two years and had to continue to produce at the level he's at and switch teams still, you know, just because the Raiders wanted to move on from his contract, we'd still be talking about this guy as a top three tenant. And he still got that upside. I know he's a little bit older and I know the quarterback change may not favor him to the same level of what he was able to produce with Derek Carr in that offense. But I think people overlook Brian Daybol's history. He used to coach tight ends. He used

to be on the Patriots staff when they had Ron Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez there. There's a lot to love about this offense and what it should be able to do. And you've certainly seen plenty of jokes and heard plenty of jokes about what this offense looks like. There's 55 slot receivers, two outside guys that don't have the best track record in Slayton and Hodgins. And Darren Waller was their prize acquisition in the passing game. And so if he stays healthy, he's going to challenge to be one of the top three tight ends.

I don't doubt that. So if he can stay on the field, if he can be what he's capable of doing, I think there's a huge ceiling in front of him. So the later guy for me is the better value. And Dave, so it goes Pitts, Goddard, and Waller all within five picks of each other. And you put Pitts on there instead of Goddard, instead of Waller. So if they're going around the same range,

you think Pitts is a better value than Waller? I think he's got more upside than Waller. And both of these guys are behind George Kittle, which is really what shocked me. Kittle shouldn't go ahead of Pitts. And I think in PPR, he probably shouldn't go ahead of Waller either, but I'm not a big fan of either of the older tight ends. I love that Kyle Pitts was top 10 among tight ends and targets per game, a 28% target per route run rate last year. That was 22nd among all tight ends and targets per game, a 28% target per route run rate last year. That was 22nd among all tight ends and wide receivers. Just a huge number.

His ADOT was deep. You talked about that. He averaged 2.9 yards of separation per NFL next-gen sets. His problem last year was that Marcus Mariota couldn't find him. 30 targets of 11-plus air yards, 16 of them were deemed uncatchable by true media. It's a nightmare watching that film because he's open, he's schemed well,

and the ball is thrown, and it's a miss so often. Very frustrating. The problem is that Desmond Ritter actually had a lower adjusted completion rate last year on deep throws and intermediate throws compared to Marcus Mariota. But where Ritter can win now is on those shorter throws. You talked about the ADOT going down. I think we're going to see that across the board in Atlanta.

I think we're just going to see shorter throws and not as many deep targets. If Ritter is accurate, Pitts will get schemed open, and hopefully he'll have a lot of yards after catch. I think he's got great upside. I love his schedule, and I love him to be the top target getter in Arizona's offense. So I will take Pitts. I don't mind Pitts in like round five, six. I think that he's got that type of upside to finish his tight end, too, this year. He definitely has more upside, but I don't think he plays for Arizona.

Why is that Arizona? I'm sorry. At least I didn't see the Eagles win the Super Bowl. I did say the Eagles won the Super Bowl last year. Yesterday on yesterday's show, I said the Eagles won the Super Bowl. That was weird. Nobody corrected me. So it's on Jamie and Heath too.

But they did not win. I just watched the game again. They did not win the Super Bowl. So, Jamie, do you agree, though, that Pitts has more upside than Waller? Oh, if he hits, for sure. I mean, you know, this is just a freak of nature, but he's, you know, able to do as an athlete.

The problem is his quarterback and his offense. I mean, you know, that's huge negatives for him, which is just unfortunate. You know, unless Desmond Ritter is going to completely surprise us, or as he, you know, sort of alluded to yesterday, does Taylor Heineke get the opportunity to start at some point if Ritter really stinks? They're going to run the ball still so much. And now you have these two, I don't want to say they're alphas yet because they haven't proven it yet, but they have two guys in this offense that command targets.

And an offense that's going to run the ball 550 plus times a game would be my guess. Why else would they draft bijan robinson plus what he's going to do in the passing game which is certainly different than what the guys they had last year no matter what you think of cordial patterson as a pass catcher bijan robinson is probably better at this point and so i think just all these mouths to feed in a run first offense just lowers the ceiling of what kyle pitts can be and believe me i'm drafting plenty of confidence i love this like i said i think this is great value for him in this spot and so i took him in this spot. And so I took him in the fantasy pros draft that I did with the guys there yesterday.

I took him in the Scott Fish Bowl. I'm taking Kyle Pitts if I'm looking to win my league. But I feel the same about Darren Waller as well. So I think both those guys have immense upside. One is just younger and at the start of his career. And that's, I think, where the difference is. You mentioned that the offense and the quarterback were strikes against Kyle Pitts. How much better is the offense and the quarterback for Darren Waller with the GMAT? Dramatically.

No way. Are you taking Desmond Ritter over Daniel Jones in any scenario? They were very close in adjusted completion rate on intermediate throws last year. And short throws, I will check. Jones was at 83%. I don't know if it's fair to necessarily compare. He was ahead of the Falcons guys. Marietta was terrible at 77%.

I was going to ask the same question. Honestly, I was going to say that it's dramatically better. I'm just going to say that there are a little, the Giants offense and Giants quarterback. It's better. But I, you know, I think dramatically, I think that you're talking like 10 spots better, something like that. I think their offenses are kind of going to be the same,

but maybe a little bit more concentrated targets in Atlanta compared to New York. I think New York's going to continue to spread the ball around. It's one of the reasons why I'm not excited about Waller. Okay. Well, that's a little tight end discussion here. We will talk about Anthony Richardson, who is QB 16 in average draft position on NFC right now. And we'll do that right after this quick break on Fantasy Football today. It's having the spend that powers your scale with no preset spending limit. More cash on hand to grow your business with up to 55 interest-free days. And the ability to reach further with access to over 1,400 airport lounges worldwide.

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We got a Gators. Where are you on Kyle Trask, James? Hopefully he never sees the field for the. There you go. Anyway, Richardson. Yeah.

QB 16. It's just I was thinking about this last night. I was just so shocked after the NFL draft when you guys had your first run of rankings. I'm pretty sure all three of you, the two of you and Heath, I think you all had Richardson as a top 12 guy. And I just never really thought people would do that, really. Back in April or early May, whatever it was uh but you guys still have that

and drafters are not feeling the same way so jamie um you got richardson would be a great value if you could really get him at qb 16 oh my god i mean no and i i think as we sort of alluded to yesterday with the the group of quarterbacks that we talked about following Dak Prescott, when you talk about Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson and Geno Smith and Daniel Jones and all these guys, that if you compare them with Andy Richardson, you're in a really good spot. For me, I think if you're looking for what Richardson can be, you're hoping for the legs of Justin Fields and the second-year throwing of Lamar Jackson because he's not going to be a

4,000 yard guy. That's just not, I think realistic, but if he can approach 3,000 yards and still run for a thousand yards, he's going to, as we said about Lamar Jackson that season break fantasy. And so that's the hope now more realistically is can he be a 2,500 yard passer and still run for a thousand yards? And I think that's doable. You know, so fields last year was 2,250 right around there and 1,200 yards rushing. You know, he just missed the, the rushing record that Lamar Jackson had. So anything close to a thousand yards rushing, anything close to 22, anything close to 2,500 yards passing, uh, is going to put him in the top 10 conversation, especially if the touchdowns are, are, are significantly different

or close to, you know, good enough margin where the turnovers don't crush them. I looked this morning at the other mobile quarterbacks and like, look at these projections. There's no way that that's what happens. These projections are 2,930 yards, 17 touchdowns, 20 interceptions with 981 yards and five rushing touchdowns, which would make him QB 17. And I think people forget about the turnovers because you're not even seeing a fumbles projection here, but I would bet that there would be a lot of fumbles for Richardson, like a lot of these guys in their rookie seasons,

and the 20 interceptions, if that's real. And I could see him throwing 20 interceptions, you know, if he's going to play 17 games a quarterback. The turnovers could get him. But I just want to go through some of the other extremely mobile quarterbacks. I'm pretty sure that would only be the second guy ever to go 29-9. What was it, 29-9? 29-9 passing yards and 900 rushing yards.

Because Lamar's the only guy to go 3,000-1,000. Yeah. All right. So Michael Vick made only two starts. Cam Newton was a top-five quarterback, both overall and per game. He was right around fifth as a rookie. And he had his best passing season ever. His most passing, his only season with 4, per game, the number nine quarterback in four-point, the number 18 quarterback in six-point. Kyler Murray was 12th in four-point, 14th in six-point per game as a rookie. Jalen Hurts only made four starts. He got pulled early in one of them after the third quarter, but he was pretty good.

He scored 20 or more fantasy points in all three of the games he started and finished. And Justin Fields was terrible. He wasn't even in the top 30. So it really runs the gamut from elite in Cam Newton to low-end starter in Kyler Murray. Same thing with Lamar Jackson. I would say format dependent. Jalen Hurts, only four games, but very good.

And Justin Fields, horrible. But, you know, the numbers that you're talking about with Anthony Richardson do what Lamar Jackson did with Justin Fields did. I just got to point out, Jamie, they didn't do that in their rookie years. You're asking him to do what those guys did in their second years. Yeah, no, it's again, it's, it's unprecedented, but you know, I think again,

when you look at who he's being ranked around and the position that we're talking about, and I'll say this, you know, I'll go back to the show we did about Lessons Learned. I'm falling for it again, the shiny new toy. This is the position that you shoot for upside. The guy I was talking about was Trey Lance. So you're shooting for upside here. And when you compare him to Prescott and Watson and Cousins and Geno

and those guys and what they're capable of doing, those guys have a much safer floor. Geno's got a new toy to play with on top of what he had last year with Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. You know that Kirk Cousins is going to be in an offense that throws the ball a lot. He's got a new toy as well. So there's lots of things to like about those guys if you want to take the safe route.

I think it's easy to pair Anthony Richardson with someone that's still got plenty of upside. We saw Jacob Gibbs do that in one of our, I think it was our magazine draft, if I'm not mistaken. So that draft you'll see on the shelves in your stores. But he took, I'm pretty sure he took Richardson and then went back to back and took Lawrence. And the question I asked him,

because we do a Q&A in that format for the magazine, did you intentionally, did you make it a, was it your intention to draft two quarterbacks back-to-back once you took Richardson, or was the value just too good on Trevor Lawrence? And he says he has, he believes that Richardson has a higher ceiling than Trevor Lawrence, but Lawrence has a, still a very good range of outcomes and a safer floor.

So I don't think most people are going to go that type of pairing unless the ADP holds and you're taking Lawrence first and then you're getting Richardson later, which is certainly a great way to go if that's the way your draft falls. But most likely you're going to see Richardson with one of those quarterbacks past Dak. I think you're in a great spot as well. Yeah, there's just so many quarterbacks who can give you 20 to 22 per game that

we've already talked about. Dak, Deshaun, cousins, Gino Rogers, Russell Wilson, Stafford might even be able to get you there. That's why I just have Richardson ahead of that group,

knowing that I can get a second one to go with him. You have to make that commitment on draft day, but it's just like you said, Jim, you're shooting for the upside with Richardson and you get somebody with a high floor later on. It's, it's just easy. There are two quarterbacks that you really, I think need to take a backup with, and they're going to go, they're going to probably be ranked in a similar spot. It's Tua and Richardson. They're back to back. Well, but that's the thing they're ranked similarly, but this

conversation is about ADP. No, again, I don't have, he is your backup Richardson. He's not the, you don't have to take a backup with him. He is your backup, right? Yeah. And, and if,

if ADP holds, and that's what we see middle of August. And I said this yesterday, like I, I, in the show that we did in regards to risers and fallers from training camp, I wouldn't be surprised if Richardson and I had him as a faller initially

because I was looking at rankings, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's people that are drafting him the way we have it ranked and targeting him as a top 10 quarterback. And then he has some stinkers in camp that people, you know, the media there says he's just off, he's not hitting his targets, whatever. Minshew's taking more first team reps.

You know the way this narrative can go. Or in any preseason action, if he does play, he looks awesome. And then 16 at ADP gets cut in half, and now he's being drafted as the number eight quarterback. Yeah. I don't think fantasy managers that are against taking two quarterbacks will look at Richardson. Because there's a lot of people out there,

I only want one quarterback, I'm only drafting one. Because there's a lot of people out there, I only want one quarterback, I'm only drafting one. They'd rather save that roster spot for another position. Well, it's people that only have five bench spots. That's hard. They're not going to take Richardson. Or they shouldn't, unless it's like an eight-team league. And you know that guys like Stafford, Russ, Jared Goff, they'll be on the waiver wire. All right, let's move on here.

And let's talk about the next guy on Jamie's list, which is Khalil Herbert, who is RB 37 being picked in about the ninth or 10th round, was reading a training camp preview from ESPN's Courtney Cronin. And Courtney Cronin said, even if it doesn't manifest itself by week one, it would not be surprising to see the rookie,

Rashawn Johnson, supplant Herbert at some point this season. The Bears were drawn to Johnson for how he handled a multitude of roles at Texas, including catching passes out of the backfield and being a four-phase special teams player. His biggest impact is in pass protection, an upgrade he could provide over Herbert and Foreman. And this is something that Heath's been harping on, why he's not super high on Herbert. But Jamie, you still have Herbert as one of their best early values. At 37, yeah. I think he probably belongs about five or six spots up.

I'm with this report. I'm with Heath. I think if you can get one of the guys from this backfield, you want to take the last one. So if we really were talking about best values, I think Roshan Johnson is certainly on the table. I think I said this from the draft. He's the guy I'm most interested in in this Bears backfield.

But I think if Herbert does hit, then you're going to be probably disappointed that you didn't take him a little bit sooner because they're going to give him the first opportunity. Look, he's the guy that's been with the team. The other two guys have been brought in, whether it's draft or whether it's as a free agent. Now, the flip side of that is obviously they inherited, this regime inherited Khalil Herbert. They didn't draft him. This regime drafted Roshon Johnson.

And I want to see if I can find somebody like this. I wonder what the situation was at Penn State with the guys there because they had a very crowded backfield. But guys that profile like Roshon Johnson, which didn't have a lot of work in college because they were behind a superstar, and then all of a sudden they get this chance in the NFL and they take off. So he's, he's definitely the more intriguing of the two, but I still think this is great value for a guy that if he is the starter for the bears, this is going to be a much better bears offense across

the board, you know, because the passing game should be better with DJ more there. Justin Fields just continuing to grow as a passer. And then now this opportunity, he looked great in the times that he replaced David Montgomery. We talked about this. You know, I know you, Adam, is a big fan of Cleo Herbert because the metrics say he's better than David Montgomery was. And so can that carry over now

if he gets a full-time role? So he's going to get the first crack at it. Hopefully he takes advantage of it. If not, Roshon Johnson should be one of your late-round dart throws for sure. Or you could just drop both of them.

If you want to go that route, sure. Draft Herbert first. What about Foreman? The first third of the season, and then Roshan might be there for the last third. You're forgetting about Foreman, right? Foreman's going to have a role or chance to earn the job as well. I know I think I saw a report in Aaron Wilson,

who covers the NFL in Houston. I guess he just had his camp there recently, and he was talking about his opportunity to go in there and win the job. It's a wide open backfield. You know, it's, it's, it's not Herbert's guaranteed to be the guy for the full season. Again, I think we'll get the first crack at it and he'll get the first carry in training camp. We'll probably get the first carry week one. If he struggles, the other two guys, he's taken that carry to the house,

75 yards touchdown on the house. 75 yards. Touchdown on the first play. Yeah. Jahan Dotson, wide receiver 38 being drafted 84th overall. Is this your favorite commanders at any position? Commanders value? Jahan Dotson, Jamie? Unless we're

talking super flex or 2QB league and Sam Howell. But yeah, I love the setup for Dotson. I mean, you know, you, you can, so they make an argument that he might be better than Terry McLaurin. I don't think he is as a player, but he might be a better fantasy asset. And so we'll see how Sam Howell is able to, you know, keep these guys afloat. You know, is he good enough to, you know, make Dotson and McLaurin both, you know, potential starters. I think both are worth drafting as starters in three receiver leagues. I would still draft McLaurin first, but you know, Dotson wason was very successful last year,

especially finding the end zone. And so is that something that can carry over to his production this year? So he's closer to wide receiver 30 for me than he is for 38. I think there's just a lot of upside here. So to get him at 84th overall, to me, is a steal. All right.

Dave will get your thoughts on your guys pretty soon. Let's talk about one other wide receiver. I think Dave would share in this sentiment. Gabe Davis, wide receiver 41. Average draft position is 90th. And last year he was

wide receiver 24. Per game is wide receiver 28 non PPR 38 and full PPR. We know he dealt with injury. We know he dealt with quarterback injury. Gabe Davis. Do you share in that Dave that Gabe Davis is one of the best early values as wide receiver 41.

No, I agree with the ADP at 90th overall. I think he's going to be, I think he has the upside to be a good wide receiver three. I just don't think he's got the same type of upside as what we saw from him last year. The additions that Buffalo made this off season suggests that he won't get that, that grip on a big target share. And I'm just not buying that Gabe Davis can explode, uh, in this iteration of Buffalo's offense. Good player, but I think he's going to be more of like a perimeter downfield shot type of guy. And you're hoping that he

catches those downfield shots with, with an occasional red zone touch or target in Buffalo. I think that this ADP is fine. I don't think it's a value. I'm more excited about Dotson. I would take him probably 10 spots sooner than the 84th ADP. And I'm more excited about Herbert. I'd probably take maybe even 20 spots higher than the

ADP that they have listed but what 108 it was for yeah yeah I'd go higher on Herbert and Dotson than I would on Gabe Davis all right Jamie so what do you like Gabe Davis's value so much right now yeah I I almost completely disagree uh you know you're talking about a guy that really his situation hasn't changed I think at all um they made one off season addition that matters and it's Dalton Kincaid. And I think you're just going to see him, you know, sort of usurp the targets that were there for the non Gabe Davis, Stefan digs guys,

because those two guys are locked into the same roles that they had. And this is a player that we were drafting for the same upside that he has. Plus he's entering a contract here. And these are the type of guys we talked about this earlier. It's going to be 25 years old when he hits free agency. And these guys tend to get paid, the downfield players that have this type of speed. So I think Gabe Davis is going to be a better version of what he was last year. Still has the same type of potential to be a breakout receiver.

And you're getting him 30 spots lower than his ADP was last year. He was 60th overall last year on our site based on his ADP. So you're attaching yourself to Josh Allen. You already know the narrative that they're trying to rein him in to stop running as much. So if he doesn't run as much, then maybe there's some more opportunities for Gabe Davis. We know what happened last year.

He had the ankle injury early in the season. Probably was not right until that Pittsburgh game. By the time he started to get going a little bit, Josh Allen hurts his elbow, and then the passing game completely goes in the tank. So I think he's still worth the same upside. And to me, he's a guy that you, I don't disagree with the ADP because you're still taking a chance on him, but I'm going to draft him a lot sooner. So I love the setup for Gabe Davis. I think he's what round I would probably start looking for him as, as depending on how receivers are going,

but early as round six, love to get around seven. Okay. So around six, if receivers are going, but early as round six, love to get in round seven. Round six, if receivers are going off the board and it's a three-receiver league, something like that? Yep. I don't want to draft him as a top-two guy, but as a third receiver, if I miss on someone that's a little bit safer, he's perfect. Again, I'll reference

this fantasy pros draft that I did yesterday. He was my fourth receiver. Love that setup. Would you rather have Dotson or Gabe Davis? David fourth receiver, you know, so love that. So, so would you rather have Dotson or Gabe Davis? David, obviously you'd rather have Dotson too. Yeah. Yeah.

And PPR and non PPR. I take David. This is something that gets a little overlooked. Josh Allen, before his elbow injury, he was averaging 37.3 pass attempts per game and was on pace for 5100 yards and 40 touchdowns after his elbow injury 33.6

pass attempts per game it's about I already forgot the number about four three and a half less 3.7 fewer per game on pace for 3995 yards and 34 touchdowns you're talking about 1100 yards difference there do you have a Zay dot difference?

No, but I do have one of my favorite stats. Um, if I can give me one second here, I'm sorry. It's actually in the note. It's actually the notes. Okay.

Oh, pass attempts of 35 plus yards week one through nine, uh, nine or yeah, sorry. Weeks one through nine, Josh Allen had 13 pass attempts of 35 or more yards. And five of them went to Gabe Davis after the elbow injury weekss one through nine, Josh Allen had 13 pass attempts of 35 or more yards, and five of them went to Gabe Davis.

After the elbow injury, weeks 10 through 17, four pass attempts of 35 or more yards, two to Gabe Davis. So I always make the case that killed him, that killed Gabe Davis. That was his role. Yeah, I mean, I can't see Gabe Davis being consistent, but I could see him being the best big play wide receiver in football. Is that the best boom or bust, deep ball wide receiver in football? Like Marvin Jones type of guy

at his best. Or Mike Williams, but a little bit worse than that. Fewer targets. Alright, let's take a break here, and we'll go to Dave's list of best values. Ooh, Tony Pollard. Yeah. Talk about him right after this.

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or visit SecurianCanada.ca. Securian Canada, insurance designed for life. All right, David, if I could repeat the noise I just made, it was, ooh, Tony Pollard. He is first on your list here of best values, which I think was just done in terms of ADP. I don't know if you think he's the best value, but it's going 22nd overall. He's RB7.

So that's kind of different. RB7 and 22nd overall, I mean, that's kind of late for RB7, I think. I think so, too. Do we think that's realistic, though? I do think it is. Where did he go? Didn't he do a draft last week?

Jamie, where did he go in the draft last week? I drafted him, which was like 15. Yeah. That should be the latest he goes. Okay. Are you sure it wasn't like 22? Not 22. I will tell you right now. I will check. No, you're probably right.

Yeah, I think if Derek... Derek Henry went 24th in that draft, so I think Henry or Pollard or Jacobs could keep going. These guys are being viewed differently, though. Of course. Right, but they have similar ADPs on the website we keep referencing. But, alright. I took

him 18th. Okay. Ooh. See? I think that that's a great value. Go on, Dave. Sorry. He's got a golden opportunity to lead the Dallas Cowboys run game,

which has been awesome for fantasy for well over a decade. That includes being workable near the goal line. As an example, last year, Zeke was there. He had 19 touches inside the five. Pollard had only seven. We know that he's an elusive playmaker on the ground, through the air, should be over the broken fibula. He had the tightrope surgery. He should be good to go for training camp.

How about he led the NFL in touchdowns of 20-plus yards. No one else, at least a running back, had more than three. Twelve touches of 20-plus yards. Nine of them carries. Fifth most among running backs. Dude's awesome. Should see more work this year. Plays behind a great offensive line.

And this is baby spoon, small sample size. But in two games without Zeke in 2022. Oh, yeah. I mean, just massive games. At least 21 PPR points per game then. And he's just got this huge opportunity. I buy into him. Contract year for him because he's playing on the franchise tag.

Certainly could expect the 26-year-old to finish top five, if not top three, at running back, given his profile as a pass-catching, do-it-all type of running back. You're just counting on him having that goal line role as long as there's nobody like Ezekiel Elliott on that depth chart. And right now there really isn't. I think Pollard can get there. If you're getting him in mid to late round two, it's an absolute bargain. I'm so curious to see where he's going to fall, where we'll rank him consensus wise and where people will draft him. If Zeke signs. And the latest we heard on that was that it was unlikely. That was the latest report I saw, at least on Z coming back. Um, so I was thinking of the mock draft we heard on that was that it was unlikely that was the latest report i saw at least

on z coming back um so i was thinking of the mock draft we did on the air last week on friday which was 12 listeners only listeners it was a half ppr mock draft and pollard went 20th overall and he went to the guy who took mcafree in the first round oh awesome right and i said it at the time i don't really love RB-RB. I love it on paper at the end of draft. I love it when it's that. But it doesn't seem to work out. However, I would never pass up RB-RB if Tony Pollard were my second RB.

That would never. I did the same thing. I'm trying. Who did I take first? Saquon? I took Bijan. Bijan? Oh, yeah.

I mean, you probably didn't think Pollard would be there in round two. No, no chance. I was planning receiver the whole time. Right. And if you knew Pollard were there in round two, like if we start seeing more evidence that this ADP sticks, then I wonder if you would you consider taking like Stefan Diggs over B. John Robinson or something like that or a cup or whoever?

Oh, if you know you're going to get him? Probably not, but I could see the strategy there. I just think the more likely scenario is you're going to get him? Probably not, but I could see the strategy there. I just think the more likely scenario is you're going to get, you're going to see Henry Chubb. I think Pollard is going to end up being a first-round pick. Okay. So, next up on Dave's list is Damian Pierce. He's RB24 with an ADP at 68.5.

He was number one among running backs with 100 more carries in avoid rate last year. He's good at that, but he had one of the worst offensive lines in football. According to pro football focus, the Texans generated the fewest yards before contact in the run game in 2022. They added Shaq Mason. Maybe that will help. But tell me why you think Damian Pierce at RB24 is great value. He was on pace for almost 1,500 total yards and seven touchdowns last year.

I know that Devin Singletary is there. This guy is a better running back than Devin Singletary overall, and certainly for the scheme that they're going to run. They're looking at outside zone, wide zone, stuff that the 49ers do. I think their offensive line will be better for that. And I think the offense in general will be better. They've got a better quarterback in CJ Stroud. Don't love their pieces in the passing game. So I think that they're going to try and lean on their running backs. And I think Pierce is their best bet in short yardage, as well as just getting more work than Devin Singletary on a game a game to game basis. I think he's good.

You mentioned the, the elusiveness, um, that was behind the fourth worst graded offensive line in football, which you mentioned. He did what he did last season, despite averaging below one yard before contact per rush, which tells you how bad the offensive line is and how good Damian Pierce is. I'm happy to take a chance on him before the end of round five. Okay. Next up on the list is Juju or did I skip someone? I know you had pits. I feel like I knew the birthday boy. I'm sorry, Alvin Camara. So this is so tough. Obviously he's RB 31. And even in the last seven days, he's RB31.

Everyone's just bracing for a suspension. One thing I always like to point out about Kamara, in his last two seasons, he does not have a run longer than 30 yards. It is a pretty big red flag, especially for a guy who's 28 today. Happy birthday! Happy birthday! You suck! He might, but he's also had a bad offensive line the last two years. So those things could go hand in hand.

But what do you think about Kamara here as RB31? This is not me saying that Alvin Kamara is about to bounce back and be a top 12 or maybe even a top 18 type of fantasy running back. But I bet in the games that he does play, he can finish top 24 in PPR. And so getting a running back like that after 90th overall or wherever his ADP is, I just think it makes sense.

I am worried about him having 80 catches. I think that ship sailed. Worry about him having 10 touchdowns. There's no way he's going to get that with everybody else that's there. But I think when he plays, he'll lead the Saints and carries. I still think he's more explosive than jamal williams and tasem hill and kendre miller and everybody else that they have there so they're going to lean on him when he plays and when he does come back at least they'll have fresh legs once he gets there

it's not a bad schedule because he's playing in the nfc south i think he can be okay yeah i think everybody's kind of between his age and this possible suspension, nobody wants him. That's why his ADP is so bad, but I'll take him at this spot in ADP every time. Yeah, I do worry that I'm not going to draft any Kamara and I'm going to really regret it. Jamie, do you have that concern? I don't have that concern. I just don't think that this is, I think running back 31 is realistic. I don't think that the overall is realistic from what we'll see, because I do think that

we're looking at, again, this ADP is pushing down running back so far. So, um, we'll, we'll find out once the, the suspension happens. Hopefully it's, you know, for, for people that are in his camp are going a two-game suspension. A four-game suspension will probably drop him lower than this. Obviously anything more than that is going to be crushing for him. But I do think that their backfield is better from what we saw last year. It's definitely better. You know, Jamal Williams is an upgrade over what Mark Ingram was at the end of the season. Obviously Kendre Miller has got a chance to maybe be the spoiler in all this, just in what he's capable of doing as just fresh legs.

And then you still have, as Dave alluded to, the taste and health factor. Plus, their passing game is going to be better. So that should hopefully help Kamara in maybe getting back to his reception total. I agree with Dave. He's not going to get close to 80. But are the goal line chances going to be there for him? That's sort of been – No.

I have great numbers on that. Go ahead, Jamie. I can back this up with some numbers, but go ahead and make your point on that. You have the gadget of Taysom Hill, and now you have the guy who led the NFL in rushing touchdowns last year. That's not a good thing for Alvin Kamara

when you're talking about, will he be able to consistently find the end zone? So he'll have his share of touchdowns, but he looked a little off last year. Who knows how much of the situation weighed on him? Because remember, this scenario happened following last year's Pro Bowl, not this year's Pro Bowl. So this has been in the works for a long time.

I hope he can get back to still being a consistent fantasy producer, but he's not going to crack my top 24 even if there is no suspension. I'll be happy just to draft him as a flex. I think that's where he is. In his six seasons, he's had four, 13, seven, 12, nine, and four carries

inside the five-yard line. Only four last year. That actually led the team. He had more than Taysom Hill. But before that, the previous four seasons, he had 13, 7, 12, and 9. And only one of those years, I want to say, was he a real workhorse, right? So he's always had respectable numbers there. Last year, the Saints had the second fewest carries in the NFL inside the five-yard line.

They had 12. Only Seattle had fewer. So I definitely expect this to go up. Kamara had only four touchdowns last year, two rushing, two receiving. So I know that he does have competition, but I still expect more than four carries inside the five-yard line per 17 games. Okay, I don't know what the suspension will be.

Let me ask you one more question about Kamara. So let's just say Saquon Barkley were facing a suspension and the Giants actually got some pretty decent production from any running back that they put up. Brita, Gray, whoever they're throwing out back there. Jerry Brightwell. Yeah. I think no matter what,

Barkley comes back and gets 90% of the touches as soon as he's back. If Kendri Miller and or Jamal Williams do well in an audition, does Kamara have that same status where he comes in and the other guys just become completely irrelevant? No, you think that they could actually win a piece of that job of significance? I think Jamal Williams already has that piece locked up,

and I think it's a high leverage piece. It's the short yardage goal line area. I think they want to improve there, and I think that's a high leverage piece. It's the short yardage goal line area. I think they want to improve there. And I think that Jamal Williams can do that for them. But I think there's no compare. The coaches will see that there's no comparison when they're outside of low red zone between Camara and Jamal Williams, who the better, more talented, more athletic running back is.

We know that it's Camara. One other point on Miller. I believe he's on the pup list. No, he's off. So I'm not even sure if he'll be ready. He's off? As of this morning. He was on the NFI list.

He wasn't on the pup list. Okay. But he's off of it now and he's practicing again? Okay. He's back today. And he was on NFI because it was a college injury. So those are the pup lists. Got it.

All right. Well, I appreciate that info. We'll see if he can get himself a piece of this pie too. We got one more guy, Dave. Give me two minutes on Juju Smith-Schuster. I don't even need two minutes because I'm not the biggest Juju fan, but when I saw him going at 118th overall, I said, I'll take him. He's got a chance to be the target leader for the Patriots.

In PPR, that could mean as many as 12 points per game if he's getting a slew of work. And isn't the slot receiver in New England a good thing? Haven't we come to kind of learn that about the Patriots offense? I think Juju will line up there quite a bit. And as wide receiver 51 off the board, happy to have a guy like this on my bench, even if I only use them four times a year on my fantasy league. It just makes sense to get somebody who's got this kind of volume at 120th overall.

I'm so curious what they're going to do because, you know, you're hearing, you know, more 12 personnel for the Patriots. And so with two tight ends on the field, who's coming off? And so is it going to be Taequann Thornton, which probably makes the most sense as a young receiver, but also he might have more upside than any of these guys. Is it Devontae Parker, who we know has had clearly his concerns and missed time last year with injuries? Or is it Juju, who just doesn't make sense as an outside guy? And so is that where he's going to lose?

Because clearly his best strength, as Dave alluded to, is playing in the slot. So somebody said this on the Fantasy Pro Show yesterday, which I thought was interesting. Does Mac Jones, clearly not the same level, and that was clarified, but does Mac Jones and this Patriots offense get the losing Urban Meyer

getting Doug Peterson boost that Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars offense got because you're losing the guys that they had there. Still, Mac Jones was a first-round talent and getting just better coaching and better system with Bill O'Brien, that just helped this entire Patriots offense. For me, for the most part, I'm fine with Juju in this range.

He's just not somebody I find myself drafting. I think we've seen since his first two years in the NFL just how poor he's played for the majority of it. He did have some good moments last year with the Chiefs, but if you're not producing in that offense, I can't see him producing in this offense. And so... In the Chiefs offense, Jamie? Yeah. But wouldn't you say he

did produce before the concussion? 11.6 PPR points per game. He had basically four good games. And I know the concussion, we talked about this, you know, did he... Did that maybe just knock him back to a point where he wasn't right? They didn't trust him. They didn't feel comfortable, you know, whatever the case, what was going on there, but he just was not the same post concussion. I think it was against Jacksonville when he got hurt. Um, it, it, if he's not still, you know,

we keep saying, Oh, he's still young. He's not easy. Yeah. I think he's past that point already at this point of still being young. You know, he's, he's, he's still young. I think he's past that point already at this point of still being young. He's younger for his time of service. But I just don't see this offense making him better. I think he just is what he is at this point. He had five games over 15 PPR points last year. That's one more than Gabe Davis. And two of them came after his concussion. And again, I don't think it's an apples-to-apples comparison

with Kansas City and New England. I do agree that getting Bill O'Brien as their play caller is going to lift them. I make fun of Bill O'Brien constantly. He's a good play caller, just not a great head coach. I think Juju's got that legit shot at getting 120 targets this year.

And look, even if he is who he is, wide receiver 51 is right. He was wide receiver on a per-game targets this year. And look, even if he is who he is, wide receiver 51 is right. He was wide receiver on a per game basis last year. Okay, so I forgot the news and notes. So I will get to that tomorrow. We're talking about

different strategies for different formats, and we're doing some buy or sell tomorrow. Kadarius Tony, Adam Schefter said that he re-aggravated a knee injury. He had off-season surgery on it, but is expected to be ready for week one. So we'll talk more about that tomorrow, plus what the Packers are saying about Jordan Love,

what the Jaguars are saying about Travis Etienne, and there will be plenty more news to come. You guys gave me 10 great values. I wanted to give just one honorable mention for me, and that's David Montgomery, a guy that I really say almost nothing positive about. But one thing I love about David Montgomery is his ADP. He is RB29, going 79th overall.

And if you look at the guys behind him, who's guaranteed to get more work? James Cook, Alvin Kamara, Antonioio gibson aj dylan samajai p ryan brian robinson jamal williams you know i think montgomery is the starting running back at least to begin the year and has a chance to uh to crush this adp and i don't even like david montgomery that much but rb29. Great offense. Yeah. And if he's a bust, it's not a total weight. He's not going to be a bust in week one.

He's going to have to struggle to be a total bust. He's going to get his opportunities. Unless Gibbs is that much better. But even in week one, they're going to work Montgomery and then I'm just going to give him like seven touchdowns. Oh, by week one, yeah. Yeah, right. He's going to have a chance to prove himself. And 80th overall is not so bad if you just have a crappy draft pick there. All right. Thank one, yeah. Yeah, right. He's going to have a chance to prove himself. And 80th overall is not so bad

if you just have a crappy draft pick there. All right. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. I'm now getting some trade offers for pick nine in Superflex. Anything good? Anything good?

Round two. Let's see. Let me see what it was. It was round two, and that's 18th overall. So I'd be giving up the ninth overall pick to move down to 18 and collecting a round five pick, 55 overall in the start-up. That's a no.

Yeah. Even though Dave's not in this draft, it feels like Dave's making all these trade-offs. Wait a minute. All right, goodbye, everybody. Talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football.