Fantasy Football Today - 10 Crazy (?) Stats from 2020 (02/11 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: February 11, 2021

Adam has 10 stats for Dave and Heath to break down, but are these in fact "crazy" stats? Does it even matter? Whatever word you want to use, these will be helpful in telling us what happened in 2020 a...nd perhaps what we can expect in 2021. Let's start with stats on the Cowboys passing game (3:30), the QB position and what it means for Patrick Mahomes (9:15), Cam Akers's production (15:00), Nick Chubb's big play ability (21:40) and why the Ravens running game is so successful (28:40) ... A quick food segment (32:35) for you as we give you a delicious buffalo chicken dip recipe and tell you the potentially disgusting sandwich Tarik Cohen has been promoting. Then we've got news and notes (36:15) including updates on Russell Wilson and D'Andre Swift ... More crazy stats! The importance of aDOT (43:10), red zone target percentage (45:30), the Giants bad offensive line (47:40), the role of Chicago's TEs (51:00) and Baker Mayfield without Odell Beckham (53:00) ... We read an Apple Podcast question (58:00), and email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Subscribe to the FFT in 5 podcast on Apple, Spotify, Google, or wherever you listen to FFT. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @CTowersCBS, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Want winning picks each morning in under 10 minutes? Subscribe to 'The Early Edge: A Daily SportsLine Betting Podcast' on Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever else you listen to podcasts. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:16 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. We've got some stats for you on today's show. We have stats for you on every show, but today is going to be different. These stats are crazy. Or are they?
Starting point is 00:01:31 We can't really figure out the best adjective to describe these stats, so we're just going to decide on the spot if they are, in fact, crazy. I'm pretty crazy. I'm Adam Azer. I got Dave Richard and Heath Cummings here. Hello, Dave.
Starting point is 00:01:43 You ready for a crazy show? I'm never crazy, Adam. Oh, I don't believe that. Just all you have to do is listen to the mic checks, people. That is a big lie. Heath, you didn't contribute to the crazy stats. I hope these are good enough for you. I doubt it.
Starting point is 00:02:00 You usually have some good ones. It's probably better for programming if they're not. I'll screw it up just like Fantasy Jeopardy or something like that. Yeah, so today we'll talk about Michael Gallup's stat, Cam Akers, overall quarterback play, big runs. Well, Nick Chubb in particular and how many big plays he makes, J.K. Dobbins and things like that. And, yeah, we'll have fun with them
Starting point is 00:02:25 and we have a food segment as well we're going to talk about a truly disgusting sandwich that is I don't know circulating throughout the internet thanks to a football player and also Tom Brady Tom Brady recklessly throwing a trophy across the water I don't think that was reckless
Starting point is 00:02:41 second time in my life that I've felt relatable to Tom Brady was watching him yesterday. The first time was watching his first five holes of golf in that special where he was terrible. The second time was when he split his pants. What looks to be a massive error in the very first crazy stats part two. I think that should be the start. Why? What did I do?
Starting point is 00:03:12 Here's how I structured the show. I got five crazy stats. Then we'll take a break, talk about food and news and notes. We got a lot of them. Then I've got five more crazy stats. Crazy stats part two, the first one, the top 10 wide receivers in a dot minimum 50 targets what did i do well i think there's some really like it's it's instructive
Starting point is 00:03:33 because it's i'll just read them mvs jaylen guyton scott miller nelson agalor gabriel davis brashad perryman mike williams calvin ridley rashad higgins, and DJ Chark. Like one of those guys was consistently good. Yeah, Ridley. But then you look at the top 10 PPR wide receivers and where they finished in ADOT. And it's amazing that Calvin Ridley was a top 10 wide receiver, did not finish in the top 10 wide receivers in ADOT, but he was a top 10 wide receiver in not finish in the top 10 wide receivers in a dot, but he was a top 10 wide
Starting point is 00:04:06 receiver in a dot. No. So because one list has a 50 target minimum and one list doesn't have a 50 target minimum because I couldn't look at Devante Adams who finished 93rd in a dot and then go through the entire list and eliminate all of the wide receivers who didn't have 50 targets. That just, that would have been wild. So I understand your confusion, and now everybody's confused, but don't worry. The list makes sense. Let's start with crazy stat, or is it crazy stat? Number one, in the four games that Dak Prescott started and finished,
Starting point is 00:04:39 the first four games of the year, your top three wide receivers in routes run were Michael Gallup one, Amari Cooper two, and CeeDee Lamb three. They all, they led the NFL in routes run and Michael Gallup was number one. And the crazy thing is that he was terrible. He had a great game against Seattle in week three. And if you remember, Seattle was the pits as, as the kids say, they, Seattle was the pits, as the kids say. He was the pits. They were the pits. What kid says pits? Yeah, that's not kids.
Starting point is 00:05:10 They were the pits. What kids are you around? They were so bad. I was around my parents. But in the other three games, I mean, he had 58 yards or fewer. He had no more than five. Michael Gallup was terrible, except for that Seattle game. And he led the NFL in routes run. So that was crazy.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Or was it? Was it crazy? What was crazy and relates directly to this is the fact that in the four full games that Dak Prescott played, he threw 39, that was his lowest pass attempt total, 47, 57, and 58 passes in four games. He was averaging 50 pass attempts per game. That's crazy. Okay, so I just should have led with that.
Starting point is 00:05:57 But I thought what was crazy was how bad Michael Gallup was. In spite of all those passes. He had 13 catches, 50 passes per game, and he had third of all those passes. He had 13 catches, 50 passes per game. And he had 13 catches in those four games. Whereas Amari Cooper had, had 37 catches and CD lamb had 21 catches for 309 yards. So what does that,
Starting point is 00:06:21 what does that mean for you, Dave, for Michael Gallup? As he goes from being a guy who was per game in 2019, 12th in non-PPR, 18th in PPR, to being a total dud in 2020. I mean, you kind of saw the writing on the wall that this was a possibility when they drafted CeeDee Lamb.
Starting point is 00:06:37 And it was Dallas taking the best available player. When they did it, they didn't have a need for a third receiver. And what it did is it just pushed Michael Gallup down into a spot where he was not going to be relied upon. Like we were kind of sort of hoping that he would, and he did better as the season went on. But to me, that was, it was Dallas saying, all right, we've got this awesome new weapon in CD lamb. Let's utilize him.
Starting point is 00:07:02 We've had this great receiver in amari cooper let's keep it up with him and then it was their defense letting them down and and mike mccarthy and kellen moore just i'm sure they just looked each other at one point and said you know let's just go crazy and let dac lead the way and throw the ball a ton and that's what happened in the first four games he he was um this is weird and maybe not related but they they went 1-3 in those games. You referenced, Adam, the only game he was good was against Seattle, and that was also the only game they won. He was quite a bit better for fantasy purposes.
Starting point is 00:07:33 I mean, you remember he kind of came on at the end of the year when they got hot and tried to push towards the playoffs. He was quite a bit... When he was good, they won. Not always. But his numbers were better in wins. Really, really awful and losses one thing we saw his last six games was not bad the pace in those six games the 16 game pace was 75 catches 923 yards 11 touchdowns on 120 targets and that was all with i'm guessing most if not all with andy dalton certainly none with Dak Prescott,
Starting point is 00:08:05 and his ADOT was way down in those games. He just wasn't running as deep routes, or at least wasn't targeted on deep routes as often in those last six games. But when are we drafting Michael Gallup? We'll finish on that. Is he a top 120 player? Is he a top 100 player? You tell me. I currently have Gallup in a top 120 player is he a top 100 player you tell me i currently have gallop in my
Starting point is 00:08:29 top 120 i have him at 110 so around 10 pick as a is a good ppr bench receiver to begin the season yeah i was just looking i've got him at 112 with no conversation or ever seeing dave's rankings we came out very very close on michael gallup it's literally the first player i've heard about how you've ranked i haven't checked out your rankings you haven't checked out mine because you can't because mine are locked up so are yours jamie's same thing so that's interesting that we kind of came to the same conclusion that gallup is still worth drafting, but just worth putting on the bench. By the way, did we mention how many pass attempts per game Dak had in 2019? No. Okay. 37 and a quarter per game.
Starting point is 00:09:17 That's still pretty damn good. I don't want people to get hung up on the crazy stat of 50 pass attempts in the first four games. That wasn't going to last anyway. At least I don't want people to get hung up on the crazy stat of 50 pass attempts in the first four games. That wasn't going to last anyway. At least I don't think it would. If it did, then Dak would have been QB one. But even in 2019, when he played a ton of games, still threw a lot. And that's good. And that's what we should expect from him.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Provided he's healthy and ready to go and still part of the Cowboys, etc., etc. And see, I think that maybe turns this discussion into more of a Dak discussion. Because if he was a 600 pass attempt guy or on pace for, or close to in 2019 and then in 2020 and four games, he threw it 33% more like we had going into last year, this thing about, well, you know, he never really threw that much. He never really, we saw at least a month of him throwing even more than that.
Starting point is 00:10:02 I think we should go into the season with the expectation that he's going to be a high volume passer and he's always been an efficient passer. So he should probably be in that top five quarterback discussion. All right, great. Well, see, this is what I'm going to give you a stat.
Starting point is 00:10:15 That's not so crazy and you're going to turn it into a better stat. So well done. All right, here's your second one in 2019. That is not actually a Dak Prescott stat, but in 2019, this is not actually a Dak Prescott stat, but in 2019, Dak was QB2 and he scored 336 points in four-point-per-passing
Starting point is 00:10:30 touchdown leagues, 396 points in six-point. In 2020, eight quarterbacks outscored Dak's 2019 season. So basically, eight quarterbacks in 2020 would have been QB2 in 2019 behind only Lamar Jackson and Heath what do
Starting point is 00:10:47 you make of that uh it was it was historic was the highest scoring season ever but quarterback really saw the biggest increase in production well we're seeing a lot more running quarterbacks um and that obviously helps I also think like the defensive things and all the things that went into last year being a weird year probably affected that as well. I think this is sneakily a Patrick Mahomes stat because he was,
Starting point is 00:11:15 depending on which source you're looking at, between 29 and a half and 30 and a half fantasy points per game last year. And that was only good enough for second or third. But that was the second. Like all these other guys, Aaron Rodgers scored 29.9. He hadn't been over 23 fantasy points per game in the last three years. Josh Allen was at 29.4.
Starting point is 00:11:39 He had not been over 21 fantasy points per game in the last three years. Like these guys made massive leaps in this weird year. And Patrick Mahomes was pretty close to what he's been on a per game basis just over the last three years. And I think that's why it's easy to accept him as QB one. If the question and the debate, the debate that Chris towers and I were having is like, how much better do you think he is than everyone else
Starting point is 00:12:06 on a projection basis? One of the four or five guys behind him is probably going to have a great year and be as good as him. Let me tell you what I am scared of, besides snakes and rats. I am scared that Buffalo follows through on their promise to be better at running the football, and that takes rush attempts and pass attempts away from Josh Allen.
Starting point is 00:12:29 I am worried that Arizona, while I don't think they've necessarily come out and said, we need to be better at running the football, they go out and they add a running back. And the draft especially would be scary to try and make things a little bit more balanced for what they do and take a lot of pressure off of Kyler Murray, especially after he got hurt and we saw his numbers tank toward the second half of last season. I don't think we necessarily can see the same thing happening in Baltimore, but they tried to rein in Lamar Jackson a little bit early on in the season,
Starting point is 00:12:58 and eventually they got to the point where they were like, he's got to play like he plays. And they let Lamar Jackson go. I am worried that those two guys, especially Allen and Kyler, could see running backs come in that help the team but hurt their numbers. And that could potentially create a gap. Whereas in Kansas City, like I'm starting to make the case for Clyde Edwards-Elair being a much better piece of that offense in 2021, he was close to having some huge games in 2020. And I almost wonder if there's just not going to be enough there for Edwards-Hilaire to completely minimize, not completely minimize,
Starting point is 00:13:37 God, that'll never happen, but sort of take away a little bit off of Patrick Mahomes' plate. I think Mahomes could be anywhere from two to three points per game better than the second-best quarterback in fantasy in 2021. Which, in my opinion, means that he should be a second-round pick. It depends on how many other players you like, though, when you get into round two. For example, and we're going to reference Chris and his call
Starting point is 00:14:04 that he would take three tight ends in round one a lot i think three tight ends through the end of round two is going to be far more commonplace than what we see in drafts i think we're going to see a ton of running backs go in the first three rounds certainly a lot in the first two and we'll see a lot of receivers go in the first two rounds for sure at some point you'll get you'll get to my home's name and say well he's better than all these running backs and receivers and tight ends. I'm going to take him. But I just wonder how much you should prioritize him to take him in round two if you feel like I feel where there's a chance. I'm not saying it's going to happen. It really depends on what happens in Buffalo and
Starting point is 00:14:38 Arizona and maybe some other places where he will be notably better than every other quarterback in the NFL on a per game basis and fantasy points. And I think it's important. It's just like Chris said, when we talked about this last week, it's the Mike Trout argument. There's probably going to be one player that has a career year and is as good or close to as good as Patrick Mahomes next year.
Starting point is 00:14:59 But guessing which of those six or seven quarterbacks it is, it doesn't seem like a very easy guess. It's probably better to just go with the guy who's going to be that good because he is every year. But if you think there are going to be as many elite quarterbacks in 2021 as there were in 2020 or close to it or something, that's an argument against taking Patrick Mahomes
Starting point is 00:15:15 in the second round. 100% yes. I think the thing is, elite quarterback does not necessarily mean what we saw last year with six quarterbacks scoring 420 fantasy points um i think elite quarterback every year before last year was we had guys averaging 25 fantasy points a game yeah so so then the question is the rules changes from last year specifically
Starting point is 00:15:41 the lack of holding and i believe an uptick in defensive pass interference. Is that going to lead to more elite quarterbacks? Is this something that we should expect going forward? That quarterback, it's not necessarily deeper because it's always deep,
Starting point is 00:15:58 but it's even stronger at the top or the top tier is even bigger than it used to be because they're not calling holding as much mainly that it's a big difference it really is or was that just a fluky year you know of a little bit of both all right all right let's go to our third stat third stat is it crazy oh crazy is just not the right word uh 60 okay this is from dave 69.5% of Cam Akers PPR points were on yards and two-point conversions.
Starting point is 00:16:28 69.5% of Cam Akers PPR points were on yards and two-point conversions. What does that mean, Dave? Put that in layman's terms. Well, as in it didn't come from catches or touchdowns. That's basically the long and the short of it. But that's a high number? That's 69.5%? It's a very high number.
Starting point is 00:16:43 I could list you a couple of other running backs who had about as many carries as Cam Akers. Akers had 145 carries. There were a couple of other ones that had an even higher number. One, notably, Damian Harris, my guy, 80.5% of his PPR fancy points came from yards because he doesn't catch the ball, because he didn't score a ton of touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:17:04 It makes sense. These percentages kind of make sense. But when you think about cam acres, you, you recognize that he finished the year, super strong 15 plus carries in each of his last six games. And you think about him contributing in the passing game too, but I guess he didn't do it quite enough over the course of the year. He really just didn't play a lot until the end of the year. And when he did play, it was the yardage that he was racking up. You remember the game against the Patriots had a monster game there. You remember other games that he had where he was just on fire. And I'm actually really encouraged by this stat. I don't know if it's crazy, but I think Cam Akers is going to enter my top 12 at running back. I think he's going to be
Starting point is 00:17:43 not Jonathan Taylor-esque, but he'll be my second favorite second-year running back. No, he can't be my second favorite. Robinson's there. He'll be my third favorite second-year running back in the top 12 because I think he can improve as a pass catcher. I think the Rams are going to be committed to him as their running back, and we know that the offense is going to be a little bit better
Starting point is 00:18:03 and a little bit more dangerous with Matthew Stafford, And we know the defense is going to be competitive. So there's a real good path here for cam makers to consistently get, uh, well over 15 touches per game, but maybe even 20 touches per game in LA. Sure. We'd like to see that offensive line get bulked up a little bit, but he's got a shot to have a really good year. And he's coming off of a year where nearly 70% of his numbers came strictly off of rushing yards, whatever he did on two point conversions. I checked to see if he threw a pass last year. He didn't. So there there's a lot of room for him to grow. And he already showed us that he's grown some. Okay. Yeah. I, I, the touchdowns don't bother me. The receptions do the fact that he was third in line behind Malcolm Brown and Daryl Henderson
Starting point is 00:18:46 in the passing game bothers me, and I think Henderson's going to be back. So I'm not as optimistic as Dave is in full PPR and non-PPR. I'm all systems go. All right, so let me lay this out for you, though. The last six games that Dave mentioned, those include two postseason games.
Starting point is 00:19:04 His pace, based on those games, I know I do this a lot, but I hope it's helpful for you, 352 carries, 29 catches, and almost 1,900 total yards, 1,888 total yards, only eight touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:19:21 That was what he was on pace for in the last six games of the season. He was a true workhorse. 29 catches is not that bad, but it's obviously not very good, but that's what he was on pace for. And meanwhile, you combine Daryl Henderson and Malcolm Brown in those six games, which does not include week 16. That was a game that Cam Akers missed. They had a combined 30 touches and Cam Akers had 143. And they had eight catches, and Akers had 11 catches.
Starting point is 00:19:52 And the nice thing is that we have this really solid history of Sean McVay. When he does things at the end of one season, they carry over to the next season. Okay, but you have to think that he's going to carry over as their lead back next year. 100%. Yes, no doubt at all. I don't think, and I don't know, I think it's unlikely, they run the ball at the rate they did last year with Matthew Stafford.
Starting point is 00:20:15 I think if you wanted to run the ball like that, the upgrade of Matthew Stafford over Jared Goff is not that big. He is definitely someone who can catch passes, though. I don't know why he didn't have a bigger role there. Let's say over or under 35 catches for Cam Akers. I'm taking the over. I am going to take the under. What we did there was say 20 higher than his ridiculous
Starting point is 00:20:46 pace at the end of last year yeah sure so i'm gonna say under i'm gonna say that the the rams are going to first thing they're gonna well the first thing they did was get stafford so they upgrade a quarterback certainly that'll make them a little bit more open to passing compared to what they had with goff when they were nervous i think to really let him go at the very least they'll unleash the quarterback position i think they're going to try and add some speed at receiver too and we've seen stafford lean on running backs out of the backfield before i think that that's something that they will want i think they're going to want to get the ball in the cam acres hands they've got to be over the moon with him and i just think he's gonna i think he's already outclassed henderson and brown brown's
Starting point is 00:21:29 a free agent they might not even resign him so there's there's certainly an opportunity here for cam acres to reach workhorse status and superstar status all right next stat is about really nick chubb but uh let me uh let me promote a few things real quick, by the way. Fantasy baseball season, all right? It's here. Make sure you're listening to Fantasy Baseball today. You can also watch it on YouTube. Frank Stample, Scott White, Chris Towers are doing position previews for the rest of February to get you ready for draft season.
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Starting point is 00:22:36 or say, hey, Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast. You can listen to us on your speakers. All right, let's talk about big plays. Top five leaders in carries of 20 or more yards. Derrick Henry was number one. He had 16. That's incredible. Also, Jamie gave you, if you listen to FFT in five,
Starting point is 00:22:55 there are three stats that are not on today's show. But Jamie gave you a stat on Derrick Henry and his 30-plus yard carries. But 20-plus yards, Henry led the way with 16. Nick Chubb had 12. And Nick Chubb had four fewer carries of 20 plus yards than Henry, but in total he had 188 fewer carries than Derek
Starting point is 00:23:11 Henry. And then how about the next three? The next three top five leaders in carries of 20 plus yards. Three Lamar Jackson, four J.K. Dobbins, tied for fourth, Gus Edwards. So those three Ravens, how about that? We'll talk about Dobbins with our next stat.
Starting point is 00:23:31 But I want to talk about Nick Chubb. I mean, I don't know if people consider him one of the best running backs in football because he doesn't catch the ball as much. But there's a lot of evidence to say he's one of the best running backs in football. Dave, I'll throw it to you. And he's overcoming the fact that he doesn't catch passes because he makes so many big plays. Two years in a row, he's been either first or second in carries of 20 plus yards. And this is huge because if you just look at the role of Kareem
Starting point is 00:24:01 Hunt, the lack of passing work, that's usually not a good thing for a running back, but we're going to find Nick Chubb being drafted in the first round a lot. Because he's a fantastic running back who can show off his efficiency, which is what we're talking about when he's got almost as many big runs as Derrick Henry on 188 fewer carries. And he smells the end zone a lot. He's on a team that wants to run the football a ton. They've got an offensive line that is already one of the better units in the league.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Maybe they've got a chance to be the best unit in the league going into 2021. And how about this is just one last thing to take away from the conversation. He had nine targets in the two playoff games that they had against the Steelers and the Chiefs, and he caught six of them. It's a starting point. I don't think anybody's drafting Nick Chubb on the hope that he keeps up that type of pace in the 2021 season because he's not. But we know that he can do it. The Browns leaned on him to catch the football in the playoffs. Those are their most important
Starting point is 00:25:05 games. Maybe he does give you a little bit more in the passing game to make him just as a cherry topper in PPR drafts and non PPR. I think everybody's already going to buy into him as a, as an early round, early first round guy, but in PPR, I think he belongs in that conversation too. Not because he's going to have a lot of catches when he hasn't had them already, but because of the efficiency and because of the workload that he gets most weeks. And he probably needs to be a spectacular running back
Starting point is 00:25:33 to give you first round value. I don't know, maybe not. But I think it's a good case to be made. Just in PPR, specifically in PPR. Because, you know, even if you remove week four when he barely played against Dallas, he was on pace for 23 catches. And he's not a 300-carry guy either because of Kareem Hunt.
Starting point is 00:25:53 So he needs to be amazing. And he has been. Every year of his career, he's been five yards per carry or better. So do you think that in a PPR league, Nick Chubb is a first-round pick? I don't. And I hate saying that because I think Nick Chubb is one of the best running backs in the NFL. I think he's awesome, but he's got Kareem Hunt there and he doesn't catch the ball very often. And he's been, I think, eighth and 11th at running back the past two years in PPR fantasy points per game. And that's a borderline first round pick pick, but if you were 8th through 11th
Starting point is 00:26:26 at five yards to carry with all these big runs, I'm a little bit concerned that that's... We've seen his ceiling the last two years. What if you were 9th? Significant risk. Oh, you said 8th through 11th? Okay, yeah, that makes sense because I haven't been 9th this year.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Unfortunately, that does count the Dallas game, but there's not much you can do about that. Okay, no, I mean, that makes sense. So, not top 12, top 20, though? I've got him right around 20. In fact, I have him and Cam Akers back-to-back. Him one spot ahead of Cam Akers. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:01 I've got Chubb a little bit higher. I've got him at 11. I don't mind taking him in late round one especially knowing that you're going to get somebody good if you want to get somebody good at non-running back in round two but let's say you're debating between chubb and kelsey and you're picking at 11 and they're both still there theoretically you can get kelsey at 11 because there's not going to be a guy like him in round two if you pass on him, unless someone stupidly doesn't take him. You could swing around and get somebody like Nick Chubb.
Starting point is 00:27:29 I don't know if it's necessarily Cam Akers, but someone good at running back in round two. So what I'm saying is I don't think you have to prioritize Chubb in terms of his talent, but more so because of his position. And if you just want to lock up running backs early, Chubb will be on your list in late round one. If you don't care so much about that, or you'd rather prioritize one of the stud receivers or Kelsey, then you'll take that position first, and then Chubb's someone you can hopefully end up with in round two. He went fifth in the PPR draft we did last month.
Starting point is 00:27:59 And that's going to happen in some, and I can't, like the same thing as Jonathan Taylor going third or fourth in one of our drafts. Like when you have a guy that's going to happen in some, and I can't, like the same thing as Jonathan Taylor going third or fourth in one of our drafts. Like when you have a guy that's that good, it's really hard to make the argument against it. It's just that you need absolutely everything to go right for them to justify anything close to that cost. All right. So last question, would you take James Robinson who had 49 catches in 14 games? Or would you take Nick Chubb who was on pace for about 22 catches per 16 games and it's weird I I'm nervous to draft Robinson I'm worried about a letdown season so I've got
Starting point is 00:28:33 Chubb ahead of him I've got Eckler ahead of Robinson too I've currently got Robinson in the first round um there's things that could change that though there could be talk coming out of Jacksonville about more of a committee they could go get a pass catching running back. I don't know why they would. He was awesome at it. But I think everything stays the same as it is right now. I'm drafting Robinson over Chubb. And just as a quick aside, when you go back and look through the history of Urban Meyer's offenses, there have been times where he's had an amazing running back.
Starting point is 00:29:07 Like Ezekiel Elliott was his running back at Ohio State. He leaned on him like crazy. And there were times where he didn't really have a great running back and he would use the platoon. He makes use of what he's got. So it really comes down to how the Jaguars view James Robinson now. And if they think he can hold up and be their feature back, that means that they're not going to add any other running back with significant capital this offseason.
Starting point is 00:29:27 That would make me encouraged to draft James Robinson. The more the Jaguars do at running back this offseason, the less likely I am to be excited about James Robinson. Of course, they should sign Tim Tebow just saying, OK, there I said it. Let's go to stat number five. J.K. Dobbins. He led all ball carriers in yards before contact per rush.
Starting point is 00:29:47 And I'm going to say, like, I've been looking at some of these advanced stats from different sources, and I see some different things. So I have some doubts about the accuracy. I will say that. But I have no doubt that J.K. Dobbins was among the leaders. But according to what I saw, he averaged 4.64 yards per carry before... Yards before contact per carry. That's incredible.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Only three players averaged more than 2.55 yards before contact, and two of them were quarterbacks. Dobbins, Kyler Murray, and Lamar Jackson. So he basically was like two yards better, more than two yards better than any other running back in yards before contact per rush. And even if that stat is not entirely accurate,
Starting point is 00:30:31 I mean, he got a lot of yards before contact per carry. So did Raheem Mostert and Jeff Wilson. They were both top five. And that was something that 49ers running backs had going for them two years ago as well. So that system, that blocking, creates a lot of yards before contact for 49ers running backs. And I can say for J.K. Dobbins as well. Heath, your reaction?
Starting point is 00:30:55 Well, it's kind of like a poor man's Nick Chubb at this point. And it may not be a poor man's Nick Chubb. It may just be Nick Chubb because he is awesome and the situation is fantastic. But like Chubb, he's sharing. In fact, he's sharing a lot more than Chubb, I would anticipate. That's been the history in Baltimore during the Lamar Jackson era. You see just under a third of their carries go to Lamar Jackson, just over a third of their carries go to the feature back, and then Gus Edwards takes up the rest. And we did not see one game last year where there was more than 15 carries for JK Dobbins. And those didn't even happen.
Starting point is 00:31:33 It's not like he took over at the end of the year and he gave him his biggest workload. Then we're kind of building towards something that happened in week eight and week 11. I think we should expect him to be somewhere around 12 to 14 carries per game. There's not much reason to expect more than two to three targets per game. And so you have to be otherworldly efficient to be worth a second round pick in PPR with that type of volume.
Starting point is 00:32:00 And he may just be, it's a perfect situation. He's an extremely talented back. I'm not saying he's not worth the second round pick but he's definitely i mean i'm not gonna have him ranked that way and he's definitely not worth more than a late second round pick i agree um i think that's pretty much where he has to go i'm worried about people overdrafting him because there are some amazing superlatives that we can say about jk dobbins after his rookie year pro football focus has an elusiveness rating he's top 10 in the elusiveness rating they've got a breakaway
Starting point is 00:32:30 percentage so the percentage of yards they get on breakaway runs he was second in the nfl behind take a guess lamar jackson carlos hyde because carlos hyde had like 50 of his rush yards on uh on one play so that boosted his number. But Dobbins had a lot of breakaway runs. It wasn't like he had one yard or one play, rather, for a lot of yards. I love the talent. I love the ability. Can't stand the situation because Lamar Jackson's going to take work away from him.
Starting point is 00:33:01 And Gus Edwards has done nothing, nothing to lose his grip on some of the rushing workload. And even if Mark Ingram is, he's already gone, even with Ingram out of there, they still are going to use all these guys. And I'm just, it does make me nervous about JK Dobbins breaking through to being in elite level,
Starting point is 00:33:22 worthy of a top 20 pick at running back in fantasy. All right. We've got five more stats coming up for you later. We do have a lot of notes to get to, including Russell Wilson's frustration and Baltimore's offensive line and a lot of Detroit stuff as well. So let's do a quick food segment here. J massMask asked, what's in the buffalo chicken dip that I had been talking about? I've got the recipe for you. Everybody write it down. The website is bombshellbling.com.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Bombshellbling.com. Are you sure that you clicked the right browser to read that? My wife said this to me, so blame her. Two large cans of chicken or the equivalent of fresh shredded chicken so that we i don't know what that means a can of chicken so we just baked uh like a pound of chicken strips for i don't know 20 minutes or something like that and then my wife shredded them two cups of shredded cheddar cheese half a cup of buffalo sauce, one cup of sour cream, and one block of eight ounces of
Starting point is 00:34:28 cream cheese softened. Cream cheese, sour cream, buffalo sauce, cheddar cheese, and chicken. That's it. You can find the recipe on bombshellbling.com. And a little suggestion for you, Adam. If you want to replace the sour cream, because this is what I did on Sunday. Greek yogurt? Greek yogurt. Plain, nonfat Greek yogurt. I'll tell you, man. I've never done that. So we don't eat sour cream like on tacos.
Starting point is 00:34:50 We replace that with Greek yogurt, plain Greek yogurt. But I've never done that in something that you have to bake the sour cream into. It's still okay to do? It worked. It was great. All right. Yeah. It's really like the best substitution.
Starting point is 00:35:02 It's so good. I'm going to ask my wife to do that next time she makes her famous spinach and artichoke dip. I'm telling you, you'll thank us later. Dave, what is this disgusting banana and mayo sandwich? You're asking me? You should ask Tariq Cohen, who has been talking about it and preaching it on Twitter and trying to get people to eat it. And literally made a video of himself slapping some mayo on a piece of bread, cutting up some banana slices, putting that on a piece of bread, and then
Starting point is 00:35:30 eating it. A banana mayo sandwich. He swears by it. He loves it. He says it's amazing. It sounds really... It makes me want to take him one round later in fantasy drafts this year, to be honest. By the way, Heath, I had to go to bombshopling.com just to make sure this was not... I didn't read the URL wrong or something, but it's totally kosher. Banana and mayo. So this has got to be our next
Starting point is 00:35:57 bet. These are the stakes. To be clear, the dip's not kosher, right? What? It depends on how the chicken... You said it's totally kosher. Oh, no, the dip's not kosher, right? What? It depends on how the chicken is. You said it's totally kosher. Oh, no, the dip is definitely not kosher. Oh, yeah, there's cheese in there. Never mind. Meat and cheese, yeah, that's a big no-no. Yeah, you can't do that.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Never mind. Yeah, whoever loses, we're going to make a bet at some point, whoever loses is going to have to eat a banana and mayo sandwich. Now, we've had some interesting sandwiches before on the podcast. Remember when we had a peanut butter? Heath won't remember this. He wasn't around.
Starting point is 00:36:27 But peanut butter and bologna? Kind of, yeah. I found an old video of us eating peanut butter bologna sandwiches. I think it was bologna. All of us? You, me, and Jamie. I ate a peanut butter and bologna sandwich? I think you recommended a peanut butter bologna.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Oh, no way. I or someone talked about it maybe i'm wrong on exactly what it was but i found this old it's like a time capsule it was on an old ipad i found of uh of us eating a peanut butter how did we think it was peanut butter and how did we feel about it i think we liked it i don't think we obviously we don't love it. But we've had some interesting food experiments over the years. We had the Seattle hot dogs during the football season. I love those. This is probably next on the list.
Starting point is 00:37:15 A banana mayo sandwich. Although, I'm not dying to try it. This is going to be disgusting. Disgusting. I think. Yeah. Well, here's some news items. Washington signed quarterback Taylor Heineke to a two-year deal.
Starting point is 00:37:26 He played pretty well for them in the playoffs. Russell Wilson said he's tired of getting hit so much. And ESPN had a stat that Wilson's been sacked 394 times. That is the most in a player's first nine seasons since the 1970 merger. What did I find out about him? Okay, but a lot of it's on him.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Oh, dude. They don't have a terrible offensive line. He holds the ball, and he gets hit. But there seems to be some Seattle frustration there. There's eight straight seasons where he's taken at least 36 sacks when he's had the ball in his hands for over two and a half seconds in the pocket. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:38:07 that's a long time. That's all. And it ranks at the top or near the top. Every single one of those eight years, throw the ball, Russ. Okay. Baltimore wants to upgrade its past protection,
Starting point is 00:38:20 but they might be losing their right tackle Orlando Brown, who has moved to left tackle when Ronnie Stanley got hurt and now he wants to be traded because he does not want to play left tackle uh he wants a right tackle he only wants to play left tackle so that would be a big loss for them teams are interested in both Derek Carr and Marcus Mariota I also would like to report that teams are interested in my smoker that has a little bit of rust on it, and they are offering to give me enough money for it to buy a new smoker. So are you going to take the deal, or are you too committed to your smoker? I've got good offers. I'm holding out for a great offer. drop a text or something to the world's most, um,
Starting point is 00:39:10 the world's authority on smoker rumors and news so that he tweets out something about your smoker and what you're really trying to get for it. Yep. Good news. Heath. Uh, I just checked Heath smoked meat.com is totally available. So you can start. What if you take the smoked part out?
Starting point is 00:39:25 Do I really have to check this? No. You know what? I'm going to. Let's see. Oh, God. Please, no. Oh, thank goodness.
Starting point is 00:39:34 The site can't be reached. So you can have Heath's meat and Heath's smoked meat. Yeah, perfect. One can redirect to the other. All right. Here are some Lions notes. Deuce Daly, now on their coaching staff, says a lot of people think you got to go have 20 carries as a running back to be successful, and sometimes you do. But touches, when you have a good back and electrifying back,
Starting point is 00:39:58 touches are definitely more important. You can get 18 carries and seven touches as far as receptions, and you have 25 touches, which is what you want from your star back. When I look at DeAndre Swift, I do think he's a three-down back, and like I said, he has some special traits I can't wait to get my hands on, so I'm excited about that. That was Deuce Daly talking to the Detroit Free Press. He came out at the number one rookie running back in my first round of projections,
Starting point is 00:40:23 and that quote does not make me want to change that. Ahead of Jonathan Taylor. I know I just changed it in the rankings. I just pushed Taylor ahead of him, but is it just because of the receptions? Because he did so much more in the passing game. Yeah. And he was very,
Starting point is 00:40:39 very good when they gave him the ball. And now he's got a coaching staff that I expect is both going to run more and throw more to their running backs. Once upon a time, I was at the NFL owners meetings where they have the breakfasts with the coaches and Anthony Lynn was a year or two into his time with the chargers and no one was talking to him. So I pulled up a chair and I just started shooting the breeze with him. And we talked about throwing to running backs and especially on screens and flat passes and he he lit up about it and he he immediately said i call those extended runs and i guarantee
Starting point is 00:41:12 you that that will be part of a package that the lions have especially with gothic quarterback and especially with swift at running back and especially with next to nothing at wide receiver in detroit this year you're going to see him get a lot of work if he stays healthy and the catches could go pretty sky high. He could be, you know, he's got Austin Eckler's old coach now. So there's definitely an opportunity for Swift to be very,
Starting point is 00:41:36 very good in PPR. All right. And final note here, Mitch album in the Detroit free press wrote a feature on Matthew Stafford and his exit and a very graceful one, and it's a really good story. But this is what Matthew Stafford played through in 2020. A partially torn UCL in his right thumb,
Starting point is 00:41:54 a torn UCL in his left elbow, broken cartilage in his rib, a tear in the back of his left knee, and a right ankle sprain. He had all of those things. During 20, not the entire time, obviously, but that's what he was dealing with. That is a tough dude. It does make me
Starting point is 00:42:09 wonder, if you asked every football player all their injuries, we'd probably be like, why do you guys play this sport? My initial thought was he broke his back a year and a half ago. Is he just breaking down?
Starting point is 00:42:25 That's a great question. It's a concern, yeah. Once upon a time, it felt like... This is going to sound weird because I know Roethlisberger missed an entire season, but it felt like Roethlisberger couldn't stay healthy and then he did for a couple years. Cam Newton's had an injury-prone reputation,
Starting point is 00:42:41 but he plays like 14 to 16 games every year, basically, except for the one that he missed. I know he missed entire season, but it's hard to predict these things, is what I'm saying. Sometimes we label quarterbacks injury-prone and they stay perfectly healthy. I think once upon a time,
Starting point is 00:42:55 Matthew Stafford was injury-prone. That's exactly right. First year of his career. That's exactly right. And then he was an Ironman. Yeah, until 2019. Until 2018. Until 2018. Until his back broke.
Starting point is 00:43:07 And then that's what took him off the field. Playing hurt, I think, right? He played hurt, but he didn't miss any games from 2011 through 2018. And he played through 16 in 2020. So, Ironman indeed. Stafford or Cousins? I got Stafford right
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Starting point is 00:44:34 Top 10 wide receivers in a dot minimum 50 targets. Yeah. You love a dot, huh? How about this? MVS Jalen Guyton, Scott Miller, Nelson Aguilar,
Starting point is 00:44:44 Gabriel Davis, Prashad Perryman, Mike Williams, Calvin Ridleyley richard higgins and dj charke and then i took the top 10 ppr wide receivers and where did they finish in a dot um and i did not include i did not get rid of the 50 i did not have a 50 target minimum here but three of them were in the top 30 four of them were in the top 50 and then davante adams was 93rdiggs, 74th. Hopkins tied with Adams, 93rd. Tyler Lockett, 78th. Allen Robinson, 83rd. Does ADOT matter?
Starting point is 00:45:10 That's my question. Does ADOT matter? I think it's a nice thing to say about somebody. But I think it pretty clearly doesn't matter. It matters in, in my opinion, in evaluation of how the numbers are happening.
Starting point is 00:45:28 And it matters, like it helps us to see, like the Tyler Lockett one's really weird. His role has clearly changed because his ADOT in past years has been very high. So that's the type of thing where I think it can have like I thought Ben Gretsch made a good point last summer when he was talking about how Stefan Diggs has showed us that he can be elite as a low a dot guy and a high a dot guy and that's rare that you have somebody that is that and then
Starting point is 00:45:55 Diggs went to Buffalo and became one of the best white receivers in the NFL yeah so lock it you know the catches went way up as the a dot went down, and that makes sense. And that's another, you know, you could argue that ADOT is bad, that you want it lower in PPR. Air yards are good. I think you could argue that you maybe don't want the outliers.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Meaning what? You don't necessarily want the guys with the 16-yard ADOT because nobody throws the ball that deep regularly. And you don't want the guys with a 5 ADOT because then you have to be a monster in terms of yak to be any good. Okay. Yeah. Air yards are good because total air yards means you're getting a lot of targets. But ADOT, guys like MVS, Jalen Guyton, Scott Miller,
Starting point is 00:46:43 not getting a ton of targets. All right. Then how about our next stat? Devontae Adams had 44.4% of his team's targets inside the 10-yard line. When Rodgers threw the ball inside the 10-yard line, 44.4% of those passes were going to Devontae Adams. That is the most since Delaney Walker in 2017. He had 47% of his team's targets, but he had a lot fewer. He had eight that year. Adams had 20 in 2020.
Starting point is 00:47:11 So the top five in terms of percentage of teams' green zone targets inside the 10, Devontae Adams at 44.4%, and then Adam Thielen at 37%, Logan Thomas, 35%, Amari Cooper, 31%, TJ Hawkinson 30%. Dave, what do you make of this stat? Anyone on this list that you want to,
Starting point is 00:47:31 Adams included, that you think it's interesting here? I mean, this is a stat that I love because this is each team, and each team that we're talking about here telling you who they like in this very important area of the football field and we could say quarterback too we know that aaron rogers definitely leaned on davante adams this it's not surprising like i was thinking to myself when you were going over davante adams percentage it's not
Starting point is 00:47:56 that crazy we we saw it happen who else is he going to throw to down there there's tunyon and there's the running backs but that's really not NDS territory. Sometimes it has been. And Lazard really should be somebody that could take percentage points off of Devante Adams, but he just didn't because Adams is just so good at getting open. And the Packers were good at scheming up and Rodgers is super accurate. So it all works out. Thielen was a very touchdown heavy receiver this year. Wasn't surprising to see that percentage there. He's going to be a bust for me in 2021, because I don't think he can keep up the same type of production numbers. Logan Thomas, the big tight end, big target. That makes sense. Amari Cooper,
Starting point is 00:48:33 good receiver, kind of in that Devonta Adams realm where he's a good route runner too. So that makes sense. Hawkinson is the one that's kind of crazy to me on a, on a team with Stafford to Marvin Jones. Those two were always hooking up for at least red zone targets. That's that, that tells me that at least in 2020,
Starting point is 00:48:51 the lions thought so much of Hawkinson that they leaned to him a third of the time in the, in the red zone probably because of his size and his ability to, you know, be like a low post player and, and go up and get a pass. He should have scored more touchdowns than he had. Next stat, the New York Giants
Starting point is 00:49:10 had three offensive linemen in the top 10 in pressures allowed per dropback. So basically they were terrible. Three offensive linemen that gave up the top 10 pressures per dropback. That's just like one of those things where you have a weird stat show and then you throw one in there that's clearly not weird and to be expected. Yeah. And we have to name which one's not weird. Well, this is alarmingly bad. Now it's a little deceiving because one of the linemen,
Starting point is 00:49:39 two of the linemen was like, we're played the same position. One replaced the other. So it was always their left tackle and their left guard. My first year on the podcast, Dave was sending me DMs during the podcast saying the next time Adam starts going off on a weird Giants rant, let's do a bit where we call it the Adam Azer New York Giants fantasy report. And I couldn't pull it off. I still can't. I don't have acting chops.
Starting point is 00:50:09 But it would have been a good time for it right now. I'm sorry. You don't think this is interesting? It's not. It's not crazy. It's predictable. They had the left side of their offensive line was the worst in football. Who's the fantasy relevant player that we're going to make a big...
Starting point is 00:50:26 Well... Well, Daniel Jones went from a late-round pick to a late-round fantasy pick last year to who people thought had sleeper potential to guys not getting drafted.
Starting point is 00:50:42 So... Sure. And listen, listen. When I think about the Giants' offensive line, that's not who I'm thinking about. No, but this is pass protection. This is a stat I had. It would be great for Saquon Barkley. Both these guys that ended up playing left tackle and left guard were rookies.
Starting point is 00:50:55 So if they get better, which they did, I think, then if the left side of the offensive line is better, then that could be big. And the fact that Daniel Jones, then that could be big. And the fact that Daniel Jones, before his ankle injury, pretty sure he was third in the NFL in rushing yards for quarterbacks. So a little improvement there could give us a streaming QB. Sure.
Starting point is 00:51:19 I think that's fine. And I like where you went with it. And maybe that'll mean that Sterling Shepard actually does get 10-plus PPR points in every single game that he plays. As long as that line is healthy enough to protect Daniel Jones. Isn't it possible that a better pass blocking offensive line would be bad for Sterling Shepard because they'd throw it to Darius Slayton more because he'd have time to get open downfield. Maybe,
Starting point is 00:51:38 but then you're also counting on look the, the offensive line. I knew this a year ago. They had to get better just so Daniel Jones wouldn't get hit and lose the football. Because the combination of him getting hit quickly and him holding onto the ball too long was toxic. It's why he had 423 fumbles lost as a rookie. And they didn't really fix it. They need to fix it.
Starting point is 00:52:00 And their run blocking did improve as the season went on, right? You remember when Wayne Gallman started to string together some big games, that was because the offensive line was doing a better job run blocking. They need to keep improving there. They have to improve as a pass blocking unit. And if that becomes a strength, then you know who also could end up catching a lot of passes. If, uh, if Daniel Jones is back there and the edict is to get rid of the ball quickly, it's Saquon Barkley on top of him being behind a better offensive line that he can run through. He can catch more passes. He can go back to being a 2000 total yard guy. I think we
Starting point is 00:52:35 can wrap this up, Dave. If you could just tell us, where do you have Daniel Jones? Like what round in your three quarterback league rankings? Oh, he would be in a three quarterback league. I'd probably start to look his way in round 10. All right. Next stat. Next stat. This is from Dave. There were eight games
Starting point is 00:52:52 in which a Chicago tight end had 10 plus PPR fantasy points. There were zero such games in 2019. So a big improvement from their tight ends. Jimmy Graham actually finished as almost a top 12 tight end in PPR he was 10th in non-PPR he was 13th in PPR
Starting point is 00:53:09 that's disgusting he only had 21 targets in his last 7 games and Komet had 36 targets in those 7 games but they threw the tight end Dave it's a Cole Komet stat and you knew that the Bears probably realized I don't think they look at fantasy stats and said,
Starting point is 00:53:25 we didn't have a single tight end, have 10 PPR points in 2015. They knew through other ways that tight end was a position they wanted to improve on. They tried in 2019 with Trey Burton. That didn't work out. So 2020, they just throw the kitchen sink at it. They bring in Jimmy Graham, the draft Cole Komet. And now Graham probably not going to be on the Bears next year.
Starting point is 00:53:43 I'd be surprised if he is. This is a Cole commit stat. This is, this is a signal that he could end up being a useful and potentially top 12 fantasy tight end in 2021. I hate where I came out on Cole commit and my projections. Um, but I do like, I, I don't have them nearly high enough and i would like to rank him as a breakout potential and all that i just like i'd like to see who the bears quarterback's going to be i mean they they'd probably change quarterbacks they changed passing game coordinators right
Starting point is 00:54:17 um yeah but it's still naggy who's and that's been mixed in terms of how he targets his tight ends. Can I just say something real quick here? I feel like this was the first time in weeks that I mentioned the Giants. So I don't appreciate what you guys did to me there. That was not cool. Okay. And I'm trying to look something up here because I get into our last stat, which is about Odell Beckham.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Well, it's really about Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield, another one from Dave here. Baker Mayfield had five games with 22 plus fantasy points, six points per passing touchdown leagues. Four of them came without Odell Beckham, and the other one was when Beckham got hurt. I believe he played two snaps. He got hurt right away,
Starting point is 00:55:02 and that was the first of the five good games fantasy wise for uh for baker mayfield and i just want to confirm the two two snaps but yeah go ahead all of the evidence that we have from baker mayfield's career is that he is a better quarterback without odell beckham than he is with odell beham. I'm not saying that's true. That sounds stupid to me. And I would maybe mock somebody else for saying it, but all the evidence we have suggests that he is much better as a quarterback without Odell Beckham.
Starting point is 00:55:37 It's weird. It is. Yeah, it is. You wouldn't expect that at all. It's no, I don't counterintuitive. I'm not saying that that's true.
Starting point is 00:55:45 Other than the one thing that could be is he doesn't have to worry about getting Odell Beckham the ball when Odell Beckham's not there. He can just throw it to who's open. Absolutely. And he also threw the ball a lot more in the last six games of the season when he kind of took off.
Starting point is 00:56:05 But, you know, look, in that stretch, he had that game against Baltimore, best game of the year. He threw 47 times. He had a 53-pass game against the Jets when they lost and actually had no wide receivers in that game. But other than that, he was right around 30 pass attempts usually, which was, you know, not that much. I think he was more efficient, though.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Probably, yeah, I'm sure he was. Where do you have Odell Beckham in your first run of rankings, Dave? I was looking at my tight end rankings. You have to give me a second to go to my receiver rankings. He's not very high, I can tell you that.
Starting point is 00:56:42 I've got him 33rd. Well, that's eight spots higher than I had him. Yeah, I broke down his season. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm currently debating him versus Jerry Judy. And it could very easily end up being Judy ahead of him. Based on... I mean, if the Broncos change quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:57:00 that's a no-brainer. But that's the range that he's living in in my rankings right now number three receiver i have him very close to michael gallup wow i know it's weird i know it's so weird it's so weird but you just think about his two years in cleveland his last year with the giants what has overshadowed what's been the consistency in all those years to me it's injuries to me it's him playing through something or missing time because of small to large injuries and i think it's it's robbing us of these amazing years that we were expecting from odell after his first three seasons.
Starting point is 00:57:49 Well, it's, it's everything though. Like injuries are certainly a big part of it. Um, but his efficiencies kind of cratered in terms of catch rate, um, in terms of yards per target, in terms of yards per game, like he's also just in terms of touchdown rate like virtually everything you could measure for a wide receiver except four yards per reception because yeah i think his adot's probably been higher um it's just not been quite the same it's not the same guy it's certainly not the same guy that we saw the first two and three years of his career i think that guy has not existed since 2016 i know and I wish he was still around. Two things. One, the Browns just made the playoffs without him,
Starting point is 00:58:29 and they did it with a good running game. I don't think they're going to go back to their facility this offseason and say, the key to us getting farther is having Odell Beckham get 10 targets per game. I just think that they're going to continue to do what they've been doing. And the second thing is that I don't know if he's even going to be a part of the Browns that there, there's been some rumors. They can't cut him because he's hurt,
Starting point is 00:58:51 but they could trade him. And I wonder if they're just, if they're at the point where they go, look, we just made the players without Odell Beckham. We can go ahead and, and, and,
Starting point is 00:59:00 and trade them, get whatever we can for them and just move on from them. We don't know what he's like on the bench, in the locker room, after practice. Is he still kind of a diva? Or has he kind of settled down in Cleveland? We just don't know. But if he's traded, I think we'll figure it out pretty quickly.
Starting point is 00:59:18 We're going to finish the show with an Apple Podcast question from Evil Ricky. I can keep three players in my keeper league for no more than three years. It is a super flex league, four point per passing touchdown. I can keep Herbert and Hertz in the 17th and 18th rounds
Starting point is 00:59:34 and Waller in the fifth. All right, so those could be his three keepers. Two QB league, or super flex. Herbert and Hertz in the 17th and 18th rounds, Waller in the fifth. I could also keep Ty and Hertz in the 17th and 18th rounds Waller in the fifth I could also keep Tyreek Hill in the third but it would be my final year with Tyreek Hill did he say how many more years he has with Waller no and I'm assuming he's got maximum amount of years whether it's two
Starting point is 01:00:00 three ten whatever with the quarterbacks. And it looks like Carson Wentz is going to be moved. So Hurts has to be the odds-on favorite to be the starter for Philadelphia to begin the season, and it's a super-flex league. The quarterbacks have to be kept. Yeah, I struggle with
Starting point is 01:00:19 Jalen Hurts' value a lot. Yeah, he's not in my top 12. But I think you'd have to keep Herbert Hurts and Waller. 18th round in a 2QB league, you know. I mean, there's no question. Waller in the fifth over Hill in the third. I think so. Assuming you have multiple years of Waller
Starting point is 01:00:38 and only one year of Hill, yes. If it's one year of both, I'm keeping him. Two more years of Waller. Two more years of Waller. Yeah, I'm going to go Waller. How do you know that, Ben? He would have specified like he did with Hill. Are you Evil Ricky?
Starting point is 01:00:50 Yeah, are you Evil Ricky? Is this what you do? I'm no Evil Ricky. You just populate all our APR questions, all our Apple Podcast review questions with your own... It would be nice if I could do that. It would be great. All right, listen.
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