Fantasy Football Today - 10/05 Fantasy Football Podcast: Start or Sit (AFC), Buy or Sell
Episode Date: October 5, 2017Who are some of our favorite starts this week (1:30)? We're getting excited for Week 5 as we begin to break down the games with some QB (4:40) and TE (6:42) streaming options to start the show ... Lat...est news including Andrew Luck expectations (9:50) and GB RBs for Week 5 (12:00) and then it's on to Buy or Sell (20:30) with Todd Gurley, Jaron Brown, Deshaun Watson, the WWE and Adam's singing voice ... KC-HOU (25:50), JAC-PIT (32:43), BUF-CIN (39:50), NYJ-CLE (44:46), TEN-MIA (52:50), SF-IND (57:40), BAL-OAK (1:00:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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All right, Dave, Jamie, Heath, good morning.
What's up, dude?
Yeah, good morning.
How we doing?
How we doing?
How's it going?
How's it going?
Yeah, how we feeling?
It's a beautiful day.
It is.
It's a crappy day.
It's raining.
It's beautiful.
I like rain.
He's only happy when it rains.
Yeah.
Okay, wait.
Heath and Jamie,
tell me who sings the song I'm Only Happy When It Rains.
I'll give you three choices.
Okay.
A. Trash. B. Waste.
C. Garbage.
The name of the band is one of those three.
Garbage. Good job, Jamie. Good job, Jamie three. Garbage. All right, good job, Jamie.
Way to go.
Good job, Jamie.
All right.
All right, it's going to be that kind of show.
Hey, let's start out with this.
Give me some players.
It's going to be a garbage show?
No, it's going to be a fun show, musical show, a lot of singing.
Give me some.
This is how he works it, that he's going to sing.
Fair warning, everybody.
Adam the Loud Singer performing today in your ears on the FFT podcast.
Some players you love this week. Jamie,
I'll start with you. You finished Starter Sit
last night. Some players you love
this week. Just one or two.
JJ.
Love JJ.
I
love, love, love, love,
love, love, love, love, love, love, love
Cameron Bray. You do? Yeah. He's lovable. Start him tonight. By the way, Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love. Stephen Ridley. Oh, boy.
Vikings, right?
Yes.
Yes.
That just happened very recently.
Heath, give me some players you love this week.
Randall Cobb.
I love, love, love, love Randall Cobb.
Top ten wide receiver for me right now.
Okay.
Anyone else? Let's just stay in that same game and say Des Bryant.
Okay.
It's a lot of Des Bryant games.
It should be.
There's going to be a lot of fun games.
I think tonight's going to be a fun game.
There's going to be.
There has to be a lot of fun games because six of the games have the worst quarterbacks in the history of football all playing.
Yeah, it's like
Trubisky versus
Keenum.
Town versus Kaiser.
Hoyer versus Brissett.
Cutler versus Castle.
Flacco versus
Manuel.
Flacco versus Manuel.
That's not good.
That means all the good quarterbacks are going
against each other. Kind of, yeah.
And personally, I can't wait for the
Sunday night game. I'm almost
disappointed that we're doing a show during the Sunday
night game because that's going to be a great one.
And I think the most interesting fantasy game
of the week, that would be Houston and
Kansas City. But Dave, some players you love
this week. I like Golden Tate.
I think he matches up very nicely.
Like is not
good enough. Who do you
love?
I would take him to a steak dinner.
Steak and lobster with me and Golden Tate.
You want a sleeper? I don't know if I'm
going to stick with this because Paul
Perkins is back and Orland Stark was
back. But if Wayne Gallman was the only
show in town in New York,
I like his matchup a lot against the Chargers.
They missed 18 tackles last week, 50 on the season.
And LeGarrette Blount is going to take on a Cardinals defense
that played well into overtime last week.
Their secondary, members of their secondary, played at least 90 snaps.
That's not going to matter as much for Blount,
but I do think you're going to see Philadelphia grind this one down.
LGB will be awesome.
I sense some commitment issues.
You won't say the word love.
You just keep saying you like.
I have a hole in my heart.
Tell Adam you love him.
It is a black hole.
He doesn't have to.
It never ends.
I know he loves me.
I think you should tell Adam you love him.
It's unspoken.
I've kissed Adam on the top of his head before.
It's true.
It's true. It was very uncomfortable. I didn't enjoy it then. I's unspoken. I've kissed Adam on the top of his head before. It's true. It's true.
It was very uncomfortable.
I didn't enjoy it then.
I don't enjoy talking about it now.
So streamers, if quarterback might be so ugly this week and we're without three really good ones and Trevor Simeon who's usable,
who are some quarterback streamers that people could use if they're desperate this week?
Jacoby Brissett?
Yep.
And to that same game, Brian Hoyer.
I don't know if I love Hoyer.
What makes me nervous is that he could get benched.
Yep. But I would agree
with you. If there was no threat of that,
yes, you could use Brian Hoyer. Do you dare
start Josh McCown against the Browns?
Yeah, same thing.
I mean, it's a similar situation.
Although I do think that their MO is just trying
to run as much as they can. I mean, Tyrod's ownership still puts him in the streaming conversation.
I think he'll have a fine game against Cincinnati.
A fine game.
Yes.
Do you?
The thing I like about him and that offense against them is their strength is on the corners.
Their corners have been phenomenal this year.
Tyrod doesn't throw the ball to receivers anyway.
No, but I would imagine they adjust.
Yeah, I don't think they're going to put those corners on Charles Clay and LaShawn McWay.
No, but you could probably put two guys on them.
Not that you're getting rid of Charles Clay at all.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah, I think the two that were most interesting to pick up this week maybe were Sean Watson,
who's almost universally owned now, and Eli Manning.
I think we like his matchup quite a bit against the Chargers.
I'm telling you, Jay Cutler is very streamable this week.
Laugh all you want.
You're right.
No, he – yes.
I've been looking at FanDuel and trying to pick my quarterbacks,
and I keep coming back to I should play Jay Cutler, but I don't know if I can.
No, he's Jay Cutler.
I get it.
I totally get it, but he's going to play well this week.
No, but to your point, Adam, I've got Eli Manning ranked ahead of Sean Watson this week,
so I agree with you completely.
Yeah, Manning you guys all have in your top nine this week.
So he's a good one.
But he's like 86% owned now, so it's too late to pick him up.
And, yeah, I don't know.
It might be one of those weeks where you just go with the guy you drafted.
Hopefully that guy is not on.
Bye.
How about tight end streamers this week?
Any good ones? Cameron Braid
obviously for Jamie. Who do you guys like
at tight end? How about
Austin Safarian Jenkins against the Browns?
They've been terrible against tight ends and he's
been getting some decent targets the past
couple of weeks. You could buy into him.
Benjamin Watson is still
a good option. The Raiders can't
cover tight ends. Antonio Gates.
I would say Hunter Henry, but he's too highly owned.
Antonio Gates has
decent touchdown potential.
Ingram's too highly owned, too.
What's his ownership at? It was 69%
coming into the week. He's got to be close to 80%.
He's had a very nice season.
I'm wondering if
I'm going to stick with Ryan Griffin
in a couple leagues. There's not much on the waiver
wire.
Ingram's 75% owned, by the way, so it might still be available in some 10-team leagues.
But Griffin is a deep, long shot, I'd say.
But the Chiefs haven't been very good against tight ends since Eric Berry got hurt.
And I think they've given up.
They haven't exactly been bad, though.
No, but they've given up like a 90-yard game and an 80-yard game.
Yeah, but the 90-yard game is a fluke.
That was the Earth's bottom.
Yeah, alright. That's fine.
And David Davis had one catch.
Look, it's tight end.
I don't like Ryan Griffin.
Can you get to Farron Jenkins?
I don't think so.
14-team league? I don't think so.
It's kind of...
I guess I probably could get Tyler Croft.
Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider, that's right. Tyler Croft. Tomb Raider.
Tomb Raider, that's right.
Tyler Croft.
All right, you guys had better streamers.
I was just trying to give kind of a deeper one.
All right, let's do some news and notes.
There are a lot of them,
so let's go through them as quickly as we can here.
We have some buy or sell.
I have something very exciting to tell you
about Dave, Jamie, and Heath
and their performance last week.
And a fun tweet, Tweet of the day.
See if we can do some Grade the Trade.
You know, the reason why I want to do Grade the Trade is because we get so many of them.
And if you all are going to take the time to send in your Grade the Trades,
we're going to try to grade them on the podcast, at least a few of them.
So, you know, at least we could do.
But Marcus Mariota's status is unclear.
It sounds like you guys don't expect him to play.
I think that's how you have to approach it at this point.
I was a little surprised to see him
practicing on Wednesday. He's not
playing. I don't think he is either.
They wouldn't have signed Brandon Whedon if he's playing.
They wouldn't have spent money on Brandon Whedon
on a Tuesday.
It's a little strange. It's very strange.
I wanted to give a stat about
Rashard Matthews. People
I don't know, it might be.
I wouldn't drop him just because he had 49 yards last week.
He had all 49 of those yards in the first half with Marcus Mariota.
So against Houston, Matthews was on pace for a 98-yard day,
which would have been two really good weeks in a row.
So I don't know if you want to start him.
We'll preview that game later.
Is that a question, though?
You think people are potentially dropping him?
I think maybe after this week they might.
If he has another bad game.
You know what?
10-team leads, I could see people dropping him.
12-team leads, I don't think that's going to happen.
Maybe they're not.
I thought it was an interesting stat anyway.
And there you go.
Sam Bradford has a chance to play, guys.
So, you know, it's a Monday night game. Hopefully we'll know before that. But Sam Bradford has a chance to play, guys. So, you know, it's a Monday night game.
Hopefully we'll know before that.
But Sam Bradford has a chance to play against Chicago.
We'll monitor that.
And the news just doesn't seem to be getting any better on Andrew Luck.
What do we know now as they have San Francisco this week, Tennessee next week,
and then the Jaguars?
What do we know now about when Luck might actually come back?
Well, first of all, I would say there is good news because he was practicing practicing yesterday he's not going to practice on thursday i believe he's expected to practice
on friday but still no chance of him playing he's going to need a couple weeks to to rev up and then
they'll get him out there in a game i think you're looking at him coming back no earlier than week
seven and listen when he comes back there are there are some tough matchups waiting for him.
Jacksonville in week seven, at Cincinnati, at Houston, Pittsburgh,
and the Steelers are going to be coming off their bye, and then the bye week.
So it won't be pretty for Andrew Luck when he does come back.
Okay, well, so what do you mean by that?
Like it won't be 30 fantasy points, but it might be 22 fantasy points?
It could be in that 20 to 25 range.
Sure.
I mean, when are you going – you're going to have to see a 20 to 25 before you start it, though.
You're not going to start it in this first-person situation.
We're right now – we just lost two top 12 guys that we had coming into the season, and they're out for potentially multiple weeks.
I would expect – I – Mariota for sure, and I think there's a chance Kars back before Luck plays.
I don't disagree with that, but you lost there's a chance Kars back before Luck plays.
I don't disagree with that, but you lost two guys.
Right. So we may have a stretch without two guys.
We're also in bye weeks, and who knows what other injuries may – I mean, Carson Palmer is about to get killed the way that that offensive line is blocking.
Right.
At some point, we're going to see an injury to somebody else along the way.
And so if you have that in your back pocket and you don't need your backup quarterback anytime soon, just continue to sit on Andrew Luck.
That's a must. But sit on him.
I mean, imagine if you...
I have a team where I have Andrew Luck and David Johnson
sitting on my bench. And I'm
3-1. I get to the playoffs with those
two guys? Yeah, but what if you were 1-3?
Because I got some Andrew Luck...
I got Andrew Luck, David Johnson, too, in a few leagues
and it's tough.
Johnson is the one that I'm trying to trade.
I don't want to drop, but who would you drop first, Luck or Johnson?
Luck.
Luck.
All right.
But you don't want to be the guy that carries them this long and then drops them.
Well, it's all dependent on your record.
It's all dependent on how badly you need that roster.
Right, sure.
All right, running backs.
Which Packers running backs will play?
There's a chance all of them go.
Ty Montgomery was limited in practice.
Jamal Williams, full practice.
Whatever happened to good reporting in the National Football League?
That was good reporting.
Well, not with Jamal Williams.
Jamal Williams was supposed to miss a couple of weeks,
and Ty Montgomery had broken ribs.
Look, it's injuries.
You never know what's going to happen.
I think we're still a day away from finding out what's going to be the full case.
My guess still would be Montgomery sits.
My guess would be Williams and Jones play.
Yes.
And Jones is still the better back of the two.
Yes.
But neither one are my top 30 probably.
If they both play.
If they both play.
Here's the tough call.
What do the Thursday night owners do if they have any Packers running back compared to—
Patriots guys are easy over them.
If Jamal Williams practices today, then I'm starting Quiz or Martin over Jones.
Quiz for sure.
I don't want any part of the Tampa Bay backfield.
I don't either.
If that's your only choices, though, I would play one of the Bucs running backs,
but they're just as messy.
But, Jamie, you said that Gillis Lee, James White, you go over those guys.
Oh, easy.
Yep.
Easy.
Without question.
Oh, man.
So if Ty Montgomery practices today, do you...
Don't risk it.
You don't risk it?
No.
All right.
Nope.
Okay.
Wendell Smallwood is a knee issue.
We expect him to play, right?
As of now, yes.
I'd like to see him get back on the practice field.
We don't expect Matt Forte, right?
No.
Correct.
Do bananas to him.
I wouldn't follow him.
Cam Newton, wide receiver news.
Okay, so Cam Newton, after his pretty revolting comment to the female journalist,
he did talk about this being a big game for Devin Funchess
because he is from Detroit.
Jamie, you like to come back the hometown story.
Yeah.
No, I think, look, Funchess got a chance.
He's a number three receiver.
I think it's just a tough matchup for Cam.
So I think the whole offense is going to struggle.
So I don't really want to overvalue Devin Funchess in that regard.
Devontae Adams could play,
but you'd have to go with Deshaun Jackson over Devontae Adams, right?
In the same play-it-safe thing?
Okay.
Hogan, too.
Michael Crabtree.
There won't be anybody in this game tonight.
Michael Crabtree returned to practice.
He's going to play, it seems, but I don't think you're going to want him.
Mohamed Sanu expected to miss two to three weeks.
They have a bye this week.
Marquise Lee is questionable with injured ribs.
We're going to preview that game.
And according to The Ringer, and a story we wrote up on CBSSports.com,
but according to The Ringer, Jerry Rice, the number four or five wide receiver of all time.
Just kidding.
He likes to crash weddings.
He does it regularly.
It is very strange.
You should read that story.
It's funny.
I think I would do that if I was a celebrity.
Yeah, because he's obviously a good dancer. And he says it just takes one person to recognize him,
and then everybody's so excited that Jerry Rice is at their wedding.
I actually don't think I would have been excited if Jerry Rice had crashed my wedding.
I think I would have been a little pissed.
Well, based on how you approached that day, you definitely would have been pissed.
That sounds a lot like you, yes.
But if Bryan Adams was there, you probably would have ditched Ali for Bryan Adams.
Play me a song, Bryan.
I'll sing for you.
That's pretty accurate.
Just think about it, though.
If you're a celebrity, you probably stay in a lot of hotels.
There's usually a lot of weddings in hotels.
Wouldn't you just walk in and just say hi for a minute and then leave?
He likes to go in and dance and party.
He said he's on golf courses and there's a wedding there.
He'll go in.
Yeah.
All right.
Only one tight end note.
Rob Gronkowski has a thigh injury, guys.
Are we worried about starting Gronk this week?
Not yet.
There's no reason to believe that he's going to miss the game,
but he did pop up on the injury report.
He made the trip, so he's there.
And he made the trip.
If he's active, you start him.
There's a report from Rappaport that he's expected to play,
but could be limited.
I don't care.
You're starting him.
Gronk. Offensive line. Left tackle, Cordy Glenn for the Bills. for it that he's expected to play, but could be limited. I don't care. You're starting him.
Offensive line.
Left tackle, Cordy Glenn for the Bills. He might play this week. Detroit right tackle,
Rick Wagner, and right guard,
TJ Lang did not practice.
That's a huge deal.
I think they're expected to play,
but if they don't practice this week,
and if they're out, it is a huge deal for the Lions.
Changes everything for them.
Oakland right guard Gabe Jackson mispracticed with a foot injury.
Arizona guard Alex Boone has a chance to play this week.
And Seattle, as we know, could be without their left tackle, Reese Odeombo.
And defensively, does this make you more excited about Phillip Rivers,
a game we're going to talk about tomorrow,
but the Giants could be without both of their starting defensive ends,
Jason Pierre-Paul and Olivier Vernon.
Yeah, that could be big trouble.
It could be great for Phillip.
Miles Garrett likely to play this week against the Jets.
That'll help Cleveland for sure.
The Colts have two injured defensive backs.
Safety, Matthias Farley, cornerback Nate Harrison against San Francisco.
Sean Lee, Dallas' middle linebacker, unlikely to play.
Yeah, that makes the Packers run game all the more appealing.
If you knew who it was.
If you knew who it was.
Fletcher Cox for Philadelphia.
He's day-to-day.
Not sure he's going to play.
Missed last week's game.
Carolina's going to be without safety.
Kurt Coleman might be actually kind of a big deal.
I think he's an important player for them and could be good for the passing game for Detroit.
And Tampa Bay.
The offense line's banged up, though.
True.
Tampa Bay will likely be without their top two linebackers again.
If you're in the IDP league, Kendall Beckwith is a linebacker for Tampa Bay.
He has 16 tackles in his last two games.
They're playing tonight.
And Ram safety, LaMarcus Joyner, is questionable.
I want to give you guys kudos for a great week four.
Fantasy Pros ranks more than 100 fantasy analysts every week.
And the three of you are all in the top 15.
Heath was 15th last week.
Dave was fourth.
And Jamie Eisenberg was the number one analyst in terms of rankings accuracy.
So good job, guys.
Great job.
Not bad.
Two weeks ago, I was dead last.
That's a big rise.
Yeah, I mean, look.
Jamie was the best, and you were most improved.
My darts were really on fire in week four, guys.
I guess that happens.
I mean, it's look it's it i i think it's very very nice that we uh did
so well and and it's cool that they you know recognize us and they promote it heavily whenever
they you know send out their their top guy the funny thing about this adam so i literally finished
doing a podcast with mike taglier from fantasy pros and i saw the tweet come on i thought it
was something about the podcast that we just did.
I hung up the phone with him, and then the tweet comes out,
and I'm like, oh, wow, he's already sending that out quickly.
It's literally – like Dave could have been last two weeks ago and been – how would they rate it?
Like two or three points off of the top guy.
That's just how it's done.
So the highs and the lows that come with their rankings,
I wouldn't get too benign about it either way.
I don't even know how they do it.
I don't know how they do it either, but I appreciate when we do well and they recognize us.
So thank you so much.
I appreciate that, too.
It's good stuff.
I finished 121st, by the way.
No, I don't have rankings.
It's kind of like you're standing in the fishbowl.
Yeah, exactly.
It was a bad joke.
Bad joke.
So let's go to the tweet of the day.
The tweet of the day is from Dave, not Dave Richard, a different Dave.
Could be Dave Richard with an alias.
Thoughts on strategy of playing a wide receiver of your opponent's quarterback?
I have Watkins.
Should I play him because my opponent is starting Jared Goff?
You should play him if he's your best receiver this week.
Yeah, make your lineup decisions in a vacuum.
Don't do it based on what your opponent's got.
However, I will say that by this time on Friday, if you are in a big hole,
say you played against Tom Brady and Tom Brady went off against Tampa Bay,
that's when you might want to change your lineup to players.
Don't do it.
Nope.
You don't like that?
I don't because I lost to Jamie.
I feel like you have to take more chances.
I lost to Jamie two weeks ago.
I lost to Jamie two weeks ago.
I had Todd Gurley on Thursday night,
and you just never know.
I set my lineup based on who I think
is going to do the best,
and that is the only thing I care about.
Okay.
I'm sparking debate.
You want to disagree?
Go for it.
I don't disagree at all.
I don't mind changing your lineup based on how deep of a hole you're in.
I would only do it if it's close.
Only if it's close.
Like if I'm torn on two guys and then something like that happens Thursday night,
I'll go with the one that I think has the higher ceiling.
Gotcha, gotcha.
You mean if it's close in your rankings, not if it's close in the score,
because you're saying if you're in a big hole...
If the score is out of whack
and I've had a tough choice
on who's got a higher ceiling versus a higher floor,
I'll go with the higher ceiling guy,
because why not?
All right, here we go.
Buy or sell from our listeners, from Matt.
Buy or sell Todd Gurley finishes the season
as a top three fantasy running back.
Sell.
Top three I'm going to sell.
I am going to change my vote.
That was quick.
Because I did not read the question.
I used to have this problem in school all the time where I'd get things wrong,
not because I didn't know how to do it, because I didn't read the instructions.
He will not be a top three fantasy running back from this point forward,
but he's got like a 35 to 40 point lead right now on third.
He and Kareem Hunt are so far ahead of the field.
He will finish as a top three running back.
Well, do you think that Le'Veon catches him?
That's one guy for sure.
I think Le'Veon will catch him.
Who else?
What about Zeke?
You got the caveat with Zeke, though.
Yeah, and he's another five points back.
What about Bilal Powell?
No.
What if Forte's out for the rest of the season?
No.
Come on.
No, he's 60 points back.
I feel confident Zeke can hold him – or Gurley can hold him off.
All right.
We can move on. we can move on.
We can move on.
Buy or sell from Luke.
Roman Reigns is greater than John Cena.
I buy it.
I buy it.
And they're both great.
I'm more entertained by Cena.
From Taylor.
Buy or sell Jerron Brown's Target share in Arizona.
I'm buying it until it changes.
Yep.
Okay.
Buy or sell from Ryan
Deshaun Watson is a QB1
Buying that until it changes too
No, we can't
I can't let you answer that
I'm buying it
I'm not buying it
Maybe this week, I'm not buying it
The rest of the season, no way
I am
Currently buying it
Yeah, I'll buy it too.
I mean, do you think Derek Carr is better than him?
Oh, I mean, why'd you have to pick the injured guy?
Huh?
Why'd you have to pick the injured guys?
Well, look, I mean, we have Trevor Simeon is up there now.
We have Alex Smith is up there now.
Are those guys sustainable?
Smith probably.
Simeon, no.
I just don't think Deshaun Watson is going to have, like,
the best rookie season we've ever seen from a quarterback.
He doesn't have to.
If he averages 18 points the rest of the way, he'll finish as the number one guy.
But he will not.
If he averages 18 fantasy points a game the rest of the way, he will not be, from this point on, a top 12 quarterback rest of the season.
There will be 12 quarterbacks that average more than that.
I'm not sure.
I don't think that's accurate.
You don't think so? No. There are going to be stinkers for guys. Yeah, there are going to be stinkers for that average more than that. I'm not sure. I don't think that's accurate. You don't think so?
No.
They're going to be stinkers for guys.
Yeah, they're going to be stinkers for him.
He's human.
I love –
Thank you, though.
Okay.
Maybe you will.
Somebody actually called me out on a radio show this morning.
I was listening to a podcast, and you guys are in love with Deshaun Watson.
I mean, it's just a little dangerous.
He just played two of the best
matchups in fantasy.
He also hasn't played the Colts yet.
It's true.
Okay, by or sell,
DeAndre Hopkins will continue
to get this target slash reception pace.
He does lead the NFL in targets.
Bye. Bye. Definitely bye.
Alright.
Buy or sell from Tim.
David Johnson is shut down for the season because the Cardinals are out of contention.
I'll buy it.
I will sell.
They're 2-2.
They're not out of contention.
They're not out of contention yet.
But you look at their schedule for the rest of the way.
You want to play win or loss?
No.
The next three games are Philly, Tampa Bay, and the Rams.
Philly, Tampa Bay, and the Rams. Philly, Tampa Bay,
and the Rams? That's... How many of those games
did they win? One and two. They're not good.
They're not good. They could go two and one there.
I think they could go one and two there.
They could go in three. I mean, there's a lot of ways they can go,
but... They're going one and two, like I said.
I feel like I want to say sell
on it because I've got David Johnson
in my most important league,
but I can't help but feel like you've got to buy into it a little bit.
All right.
One more.
Two more.
Buy or sell Adam as the best singer on the podcast.
Oh, of course we're going to put that in.
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Void where prohibited. I'd like to try to save some time at the end for Grade the Trade,
but let's start with Kansas City and Houston. Kansas City and Houston is on Sunday night.
Very excited. I'm going to give, like I did last week, a stat of the game for every game.
All right. So you guys have Alex Smith as a top 11 quarterback. Ninth for Jamie,
11th for Dave, 10th for Heath. And remember, everybody, it's not a great week for quarterbacks,
especially with the buys. Your stat of the game. In six point per passing touchdown leagues,
only two of nine quarterbacks scored more than 15 fantasy points at Houston last year. Two years
ago, only three of nine quarterbacks,
they played a playoff game each year,
scored 20 or more fantasy points,
a little bit better in 2015.
But typically, bottom line, at Houston,
it's been a tough place for quarterbacks.
And Alex Smith's had a little bit of success there,
but I think only one of three good games.
So why is it that you guys have him
as a top 11 quarterback, Alex Smith? I feel like he's a different quarterback than he was the past couple
of seasons. I think he's making the most of his offense and the guys around him. I think he's
getting good protection. I think he's willing to run with the football. And I would expect
Alex Smith to generate a lot of nice numbers this week. I am less about Alex Smith for me than it is some of the guys behind him.
I'm really a little bit concerned about Big Ben.
I'm not that excited about Rivers going across the country to face the Giants defense.
Not yet.
I've not bought into Cam.
So there's guys that I've got below Alex Smith.
I don't necessarily think he's going to get you 25 fantasy points this week
But I like his floor the most
Especially with his rushing production
Okay
Yeah, Smith has scored 18 or more fantasy points in all four games
So that's a nice floor
Alright, so we'll compare him to some other quarterbacks as we move on
But again, he's top 11, Alex Smith
Kareem Hunt, I mean
What do you get?
Obviously you're sitting him.
You're starting him.
You're starting him, excuse me.
Don't sit him.
No.
Houston's been great against the run the last three weeks.
No more than 36 rushing guards to a running back since Fournette in week one.
No more than 24 receiving yards to a running back all year,
but you're starting Kareem Hunt.
So what about Tyreek Hill, guys?
Two good games, two really good games, two pretty bad ones.
What do we get this week from Tyreek Hill?
You don't know for sure what you're going to get from him from week to week
because he's the type of player who can make one big play,
50-plus yard touchdown, and you're off to the races in your fantasy leagues,
and that's why you start him.
That's why you take the chance on him.
I think the focus on Houston will be on trying to contain him when they're
outside of the 20s and then
when the Chiefs are inside the 20s, they're going to
reshift that to Kelsey.
That's what they did last year.
And it worked out okay. It worked out good
for Houston. They shut down Kelsey.
I think Hill is worth starting because
he's got the speed to burn past their secondary
and he could get single coverage
in the red zone.
According to Pro Football Focus, Hill has the third best because he's got the speed to burn past their secondary, and he could get single coverage in the red zone. Okay.
Yeah, according to Pro Football Focus,
Hill has the third-best primary cornerback matchup this week in Jonathan Banks.
You can't sit that upside.
Okay.
Would you start Tyreek Hill or Chris Hogan?
Hill.
Hill.
Dave, you got him back-to-back.
You got Hill one spot ahead.
I know that's a tough call for you, but everybody's going Hill there.
So Hill's a must-start guy.
Kansas City's pretty easy.
It's like you debate Alex Smith, you start the other guys.
Travis Kelsey, you start.
All right, Deshaun Watson, 93% owned now.
QB won for the rest of the season. Deshaun Watson, 93% owned now, QB1 for the rest of the season.
Deshaun Watson or Alex Smith?
Watson for me.
Watson.
There's more upside there.
Yep.
And he has the same – I don't know if he has quite the same floor,
but he's got a similar floor because of the rushing.
Okay.
Deshaun Watson or Eli Manning?
Watson for me.
One spot ahead of him.
Eli.
Yeah, I'll take Watson.
Same thing.
Very close.
Kansas City, look, they beat a lot of teams in the past year in a quarter,
but they have allowed some big numbers to rushing quarterbacks,
including twice this year.
Carson Wentz had, what, 55 yards on the ground against them,
and he doesn't really run.
I don't think he's a running quarterback.
Cousins isn't either.
He had 38 yards.
Those two, they had over 20 fantasy points because of their rushing.
And you go back to last year, Cam, Andrew Luck,
Jameis Winston even had some rushing numbers.
They are not amazing against rushing quarterbacks,
and I would imagine that Watson takes advantage.
One thing Kansas City has been very good at this year
is limiting production from running backs in the passing game.
We got some good production from Lamar Miller in the passing game last week.
And just generally, like I looked at your rankings,
and just tell me if I'm interpreting this right,
because Lamar Miller is pretty high.
He's like top 14 or right around there.
Yeah, he's 13th, 12th, 11th for Jamie Dave Heath in standard
and very similar in PPR.
I'm guessing that, tell me if I'm right or wrong,
you don't love Lamar Miller this week, but you like him enough,
and there just aren't enough running backs this week
to really consider sitting Lamar Miller.
Is that an accurate read?
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
So nobody in tonight's game over Lamar Miller.
But Bilal Powell, would you start Bilal Powell or Miller?
Powell. Powell. I'll go Powell
and PPR Miller in standard.
Okay, and then the wide receivers, we're going to start...
Powell's numbers since Forte's gotten hurt last
year have been great. Oh yeah.
Great finish to the year for Powell.
We're going to start DeAndre Hopkins. He's a must start.
We like him even better than Tyreek Hill.
What about Will Fuller, guys?
68% on start or sit?
I think he's
a high-ceiling
number three wide receiver.
He's a good bye-week replacement.
Yeah, I'm not excited about starting him,
but if I have to, it's
not awful. I'm not starting him
expecting two red zone touchdowns
like last week.
Will Fuller or
Jacquez Rogers?
Fuller.
Fuller.
Fuller has more upside.
Ryan Griffin is around 20th.
We don't want to start him.
And the DSTs are actually pretty interesting.
So everybody's got the Houston and KC DSTs around like 12th to 15th overall.
They're not must starts.
Except for Heath.
Heath has Kansas City fourth overall, huh, Heath?
Yeah, I think I may have dropped them a couple spots since you looked at that,
but I definitely have them the highest.
I don't necessarily—like, I expect a good game from Watson,
but I don't believe he's going to be mistake-free in this game either.
Okay.
By the way, this just in on Roto World.
Ben McAdoo said the team will use a hot-hand approach at running back.
If a running back gets hot, we'll ride him.
All right.
That game's tomorrow.
Thanks for that exciting news, Ben.
That's about as exciting as he gets.
McAdone.
Yeah.
He's going to have a new job next year.
Jacksonville at Pittsburgh.
Stat of the game.
Martavis Bryant.
This is tough to come up with the stat of the game, so here it is.
Martavis Bryant, career at home, 12 touchdowns in 13 games.
Career on the road, three touchdowns in 12 games.
This is Pittsburgh's second home game of the season,
and Martavis Bryant caught a touchdown in the other one.
Starter sit, Martavis Bryant.
I think he's risky.
I think he's a flex.
He's in that same type of conversation as Will Fuller is.
And the reason why I feel that way is because Antonio Brown last week
didn't get the type of targets he wanted.
He talked about it to the media.
Later had to apologize for it,
and I think Roethlisberger kind of force-feeds Brown.
I also think that the Steelers are going to try and be a little more conservative
because something's off with Roethlisberger.
He just isn't his usual self, and this isn't the easiest matchup in the world for him,
even though he's at home.
So I'm nervous about using Martavis, even though a lot of things that we say about Tyreek Hill
and a lot of things that we say about Will Fuller, they're true about Martavis because he's one big play away from being gold in fantasy.
But I don't know how many big play opportunities he gets.
He's been averaging less than six targets a week.
Yeah, I'd start him over Fuller, but he's not close to Tyreek for me.
He's a high upside number three wide receiver.
But if Marquise Lee misses this game, I like Alan Hearns more.
Wow.
All right, if I know Jamie Eisenberg.
I think actually the Steelers are going to play well.
If I know Jamie Eisenberg, he's going to buy into the Steelers at home.
Yep.
I think it's a blowout.
I do too.
I think it could be like a 20 to 10 type of game.
All right.
So did you guys answer?
I'm sorry if you did.
Martavis Bryant versus Will Fuller, who do you prefer?
I'd go Bryant over Fuller.
Bryant.
I'd go Bryant over Fuller too.
Okay.
You know, Leonard Fournette, this is why I'm a crazy neurotic weirdo.
I spent about 10 minutes researching Leonard Fournette yesterday.
Nobody in the world is sitting Leonard Fournette.
But my thought process was, what if this game gets out of hand?
How did running backs do at Pittsburgh last year?
And the very weird stat that I came up with,
and I just want to give this stat because I think it's interesting to fantasy owners.
I 100% am starting Leonard Fournette.
Everybody's going to start Leonard Fournette.
But just because I think it's interesting.
The Steelers had nine home games last year.
They went 7-2. Throw out the two losses because I think they're going to start Leonard Fournette. But just because I think it's interesting. The Steelers had nine home games last year. They went 7-2.
Throw out the two losses because I think they're going to win.
Throw out Week 17 where they had nothing to play for.
Yeah, I know, I know.
Isaiah Corral ran all over them.
In the six wins other than Week 17,
no running back had more than 57 rushing yards
and only one running back scored a touchdown against the Steelers,
and it was Kyle Juszczyk.
So that, to me, only means one thing.
I probably won't be using Leonard Fournette in Daily Fantasy this week, but some of those
guys had good games as receivers, and we did see that from Fournette last week.
I would like to know what the projected temperature is going to be and how the Steelers' defense
has been in games at home with that temperature.
See, I actually think it's relevant, because I'm talking about only the games they won
and not including the game that they didn't care about against them.
Is it more relevant than how the Steelers' run defense has been this season?
No.
No.
It's not.
They have not been that difficult to run on this year.
They haven't, but they haven't given up that many fantasy points, have they?
Jordan Howard is the only running back to score double-digit fantasy points against the Steelers in standard scoring leagues.
But you're right.
Like Alex Collins, very limited work.
He averaged nine yards per carry.
You're starting for a net.
I just wanted people to know how my crazy brain works.
Jacksonville wide receivers.
All right, Heath, you kind of talked about Alan Hearns.
Marquis Lee may not play.
No wide receivers had more than 55 yards against the Steelers this year, so what are your expectations?
I think Hearns is a boom bust number three.
They're going to pummel Blake Bortles.
This is the third straight road game for the Jaguars, by the way.
Tire defense.
It is not.
It is too.
They had a home game against the Ravens.
It was in London.
They had to fly to London.
That's their home.
Call it their home all you want.
They still had to fly from London back to Florida to New Jersey,
back to Florida, and now to Pittsburgh.
All right.
So basically Fournette's the only Jaguar we're confident starting.
All right.
Ben Roethlisberger.
Jamie's got him sixth.
Dave's got him 12th.
Heath has him 11th.
So everybody's got him as a start,
but Dave and Heath are a little conservative.
Jamie, full confidence in Roethlisberger this week?
Yep.
All right.
You want to – I think we talked about that.
Bell, Brown, yes, yes.
Martavis is a flex. And, Jamie, what do you think about Juju Smith-Schuster as a sleeper?
He's 7% owned.
Yeah.
Again, he's the one that's going to avoid the
two outside guys. So if you're
worried about Bouye
and Ramsey, this
is where Schuster should have a chance to make some plays.
And Roethlisberger
seems to like throwing to him.
Last three weeks, ten targets,
five catches. That's not so great.
He's a big slot receiver, which is always fun. Right, and it's
easy for a quarterback who isn't adept at throwing longer passes anymore,
which might be the case here.
He was saying that Bryant had come down with that catch last week.
But he didn't.
That's on him?
No.
It's on Ben?
It's on Ben.
No, last week he missed him.
Bryant dropped it.
When again?
Two weeks ago or last week?
The first play of the game.
The last week of two weeks.
Two weeks.
I thought he overthrew him. There was a play where Bryant dropped it. When again? Two weeks ago or last week? The first play of the game. The last week of Chicago? Two weeks. I thought he overthrew him.
There was a play where Bryant dropped a big play.
Dave's talking about the same thing.
There have been both misses by Ben and Bryant in the last two weeks.
Dave's interpretation of that first play to Martavis Bryant
was that Ben overthrew it a little bit.
Because I know that I have talked about it separately on this show
with Dave and with Jamie.
So slightly different takes on that play.
All right, finally, to finish off this show,
things that make you go fill in the blank, like,
what, what, what?
Or you cray dog, Heath has the Jaguars DST seventh.
Let's publicly shame Heath into dropping Jacksonville outside of his top 15.
So wait, I'm going to praise him for being different.
Good job, Heath.
You didn't like the Jaguars defense.
Right.
Now you like the Jaguars defense.
Do you like him so much that you like him going into Pittsburgh to play well?
Ben Roethlisberger has been bad this year.
He's missing throws.
Jacksonville, I don't like the Jacksonville defense in terms of their run defense.
It's been awful.
I question whether they are, quote unquote, an elite defense, but they have two very good
corners that can make plays on the ball,
and Roethlisberger's not putting the ball on his receivers.
So where do you have Brown ranked?
I've still got Brown where he was always ranked.
We don't change Antonio Brown.
I mean, you can say all you want about Roethlisberger, but the Steelers are not turning the ball over.
They don't give up a ton of sacks, only seven and three in four games,
so they've given up the sixth fewest fantasy points to the DSTs.
Let's go, Heath.
Let's knock them down.
Let's knock the Jaguars down.
Who do you want me to knock them behind?
Almost everyone.
Almost everyone.
Well, I guess there aren't great options.
The Eagles, definitely.
The Lions.
Colts or Jaguars?
Jaguars.
Colts.
The Colts.
You sound really confident.
I don't sound – I'm not confident.
I'm not confident.
All right, let's go to our next game, Buffalo at Cincinnati.
Stat of the game.
Buffalo allows the second fewest fantasy points to opposing quarterbacks.
One touchdown, six interceptions.
They have faced the Jets, the Panthers, the Broncos, and the Falcons,
basically without Julio Jones and Mohamed Sanu for much of the game.
So Buffalo, second-best team against quarterbacks.
And I didn't really like that stat that much,
so I got a bonus stat from CincinnatiUSA.com.
The Cincinnati airport is 15 minutes away from downtown Cincinnati.
That's true.
That is great if you want to travel there.
But it's not really the Cincinnati airport because technically it's in Kentucky.
Okay.
It just said the airport.
I didn't know.
Would you rather start Tyrod Taylor or Andy Dalton?
And second question, are we trying to avoid both of these guys this week?
Yes.
Tyrod.
I think I like Tyrod better too, but I would avoid both.
I'd start Dalton, but I would avoid both too.
Are you concerned at all about LaShawn McCoy this week?
No.
Okay.
Running backs are averaging just 3.5 yards per carry against the Bungles.
Adam, you could be concerned.
Are you really going to have the stones to sit Shady?
No.
And who are you going to sit him for?
Bob Howell.
I wouldn't do it, but no.
Don't start Zay Jones. Do start Charles Clay.
He is the number four
tight end this week. Actually, very interesting.
The Bengals have been great against
tight ends. How about
the Houston tight ends,
the Cleveland tight ends, the Baltimore
tight ends, and Martellus Bennett
combined for three
fantasy points.
Lance Kendricks did have a touchdown against the Bengals,
but obviously you're starting Clay.
Let's see what he does, and let's see if the Bengals' tight end defense
is actually good because last year it was bad.
We're sitting Andy Dalton and Cincinnati running backs.
Jamie, how are you approaching the Cincinnati running backs?
Mixon's a number two based on volume, but I don't love him this week.
I think Buffalo's defense is good.
They've shown it.
You know, it's a four-game sample size of, you know,
they gave up production to Freeman and Coleman last week,
but I don't know if Mixon's going to get that same type of work.
And it was a lot of it came after both Julio and Sanu went down.
You saw them really involved in the passing game um humber being out certainly helps mixon's cause so hopefully this is the
week look if he scores touchdown you'll be happy with it that's all he's got to do yeah would you
start his usage is you're happy to see him get 17 carries but like they almost all were in the
second half in a blowout.
And Bengals were making it obvious.
We're running the ball to kill the clock, and the Browns say,
okay, we're going to stack the box to stop the run.
And the Bengals don't have the offensive line to help their running backs achieve a good rushing average there.
Okay, would you start any of the waiver-wire guys?
So Aaron Jones, Latavius Murray, Wayne Gallman, Alex
Collins. What do you think? I would start Murray over him,
yes. I wouldn't.
But they're close. I'll admit they're close, but I wouldn't.
Heath?
Because workload's going to be the same.
Murray has a better chance to score, and if McKinnon's
out, which you don't know yet,
but signing Ridley could be a sign that McKinnon's
banged up,
I think you could get away with Murray having a better day than McKinnon.
Okay.
Excuse me.
The Mixon.
The Mixon.
How about Giovanni Bernard, guys?
I hate this because I love Giovanni Bernard.
He has been good the last two weeks, but he's getting six touches a game.
You can't be a good fantasy running back on six touches a game.
It's stupid.
Jeremy Hill is still running everything. Is it Jeremy Hill or is it Marvin Lewis?
I mean, Jeremy Hill had six carries last week, so they're not running the ball well. I mean,
that's another thing to factor here. No, they're bad. They have a bad offensive line. We knew that.
They're not running the ball well.
Let's go to the wide
receivers. A.J. Green is top five.
He's number two for Heath.
So start him. Actually, it's
interesting. Again, maybe this is irrelevant
for Daly. Number one receivers haven't
done that well against Buffalo.
Jermaine Kurz, whatever. Calvin Benjamin, seven points.
Demarius Thomas, nine points.
Julio Jones had three points, but he only played 20% of the snaps.
So he would have had 15 points if he played every snap.
That's how it works.
By the way, there was a good article that I read yesterday on ESPN.com.
It was perfect for me.
It was how the Bills' secondary got better by trading Stephon Gilmore.
It was an interesting story and explains some things.
They're getting really good production from Tredavious White, who is banged up.
And Tyler Croft.
Tyler Croft or Ryan Griffin, guys?
Who's a better flyer?
Probably Croft.
Although he's banged up.
Okay.
Bills' DST is top 10.
Cincinnati allows the fourth most fantasy points to opposing DSTs.
We go to the Jets and the Cleveland Browns.
Stat of the game.
The Jets allow the fourth most fantasy points to opposing running backs.
They have also seen the fourth most rush attempts in the NFL.
But in four games for the Jets,
Jay Ajayi is the only running back not to score double-digit fantasy points in standard scoring leagues.
In fact, the stat of the game keeps going.
In fact, in two of the Jets' four games, they've allowed double-digit fantasy points to multiple running backs.
So let's start.
We'll go to Jamie with the Browns running backs and your thoughts on Crowell and Duke.
I think this is a game where both guys can play well.
The Browns have gotten destroyed recently, which has taken time of possession away from them
and put them in catch-up mode, which favors Duke.
I don't think that happens this week.
So in a game where they'll be competitive, you're going to see Crowell hopefully get close to 20 touches,
which is what he had in Week 1.
It's the only time he's come close to 20 touches
so far this season, and ironically enough, his best
game. So I think Crowell is the
number two running back. It's not a
great start, but when we are
with the bye weeks, when we are down Dalvin Cook and
Chris Carson, I think you're looking at
Crowell as a potential top
20 guy by the end of the week. So
I think he can get you 8 to 10 fantasy points.
Is he a touchdown or bust running back?
Does he have to score in order to get 8 to 10?
I think he can get you 80 total yards in this particular game.
Just again, I think game flow will be in the Browns, maybe not in their favor, but it'll
be close to 50-50.
So I don't see the Jets coming in and running away with this game, which means that the
Browns could be a little bit more conservative.
And Hugh Jackson has been very vocal about sticking with Crowell and not necessarily
getting away from him because they really don't have another choice.
Yeah, but he's not going to get 20 carries.
He also spent the whole offseason talking about how he was ashamed of not running the
ball more in 2016.
But they've gone behind in every game.
Yeah, he did.
He ran the ball a lot last year when they played from behind.
Well, they're passing even more than they ran last year.
So I don't.
Well, his quarterback's better, and Duke's better.
And his quarterback has been taking numbers away from Crowell.
When they get down inside the five, Kaiser will take off.
I just think they're at home.
How many times this year are they going to be a home favorite?
Are they favorites?
Yeah, they're a one-and-a-half-point favorite.
Oh, wow.
I think the Jets are going to win.
But remember that stat I gave two weeks ago when they went to the Colts,
and I'm actually trying to find it now,
but it was something like in six games that the Browns either won last year
or lost by one score, Isaiah Crowell had seven or more
or eight or more fantasy points in five of the six games.
That's, I think, exactly what Jamie's trying to say, right?
Yeah.
Close score, he does well.
This is going to be a close game, close enough that Crowell should be more relevant.
That doesn't mean guaranteed production, obviously, but I just think that there is a chance this week.
If we didn't have the four teams on a bye and some of the other injuries,
like I'll take Alex Collins over Isaiah Crowell, just to give you an example.
And PPR, I'm going to take Duke over Crowell.
But in standard leagues, I think Crowell has a chance to help you. So you're going to take Latavius Murray over Crowell. Just to give you an example. In PPR, I'm going to take Duke over Crowell. But in standard leagues, I think Crowell has a chance to help you.
So you're going to take Latavius Murray over Crowell?
Yes.
Who are you starting Crowell over?
I would start him over with Garrett Blunt.
Wow.
I'm not.
I've got him one spot ahead of Blunt.
I've got him ahead of Latavius.
I've got him ahead of—
Bad week for Blunt.
I disagree.
I think he's going to have a good week.
Ahead of the Seattle running backs.
Ahead of the Seattle running backs.
Ahead of both Bucs running backs, too.
6-3-4-2.
Crowell's numbers in his first four games for fantasy.
Yep.
Standard scoring.
Yep.
I think the floor is so low with him that if you swing and miss on Crowell,
almost any running back would be better.
Sure.
But I don't know if there are a lot of guarantees outside of the guys that we have ranked in the top six or seven.
That's fair.
But I don't know if it's even close to a guarantee that Crowell is going to go out.
And what we're basically saying, well, you said he could get you 80 total yards without a touchdown.
Yeah.
I don't know if he can do that.
He hasn't done it yet this year.
And there was a game already this year, like
you said, where he had 20 touches, and he couldn't do it.
No, he had 17. He had 17 carries.
He had 19 touches and a two-point
conversion, so he actually had eight points
against Pittsburgh. That was his best game.
That was week one. All right, let's do this real quick.
Let's do the start-o-meter, okay?
Zero to ten, and to get
an idea of how excited you are to start
the following players. Isaiah Crowell, start-o-meter.
3.
5.
Duke Johnson.
5.
5 standard.
7 PPR.
Duke's like a
definite number 2 running back in PPR, right?
Yes. He's kind of got a
Chris Thompson feel to him,
but last week he had, I think it was 16 more snaps than Isaiah Crowell.
Playing for behind, obviously.
And a goal line carry.
Yeah.
I can't get behind Crowell.
Start-o-meter on Bilal Powell in this game.
10-10.
10.
Yeah, you're going to be starting Powell over a lot of guys.
In fact, let me go to some wide receivers
You'd obviously start Powell over any of the Raiders guys
Would you start Powell or
John or Jerron Brown?
Powell
Doug Baldwin or Powell?
Baldwin
Powell
T.Y. Hilton or Powell?
Hilton
Powell How about start-o-meter on Elijah McGuire? T.Y. Hilton or Powell? Hilton.
Powell.
How about start-o-meter on Elijah McGuire?
One.
Four.
One.
Start-o-meter on Joe Mixon?
Six.
What did I say on Corral? I think you said a five.
Five to six.
Five on Mixon.
5.5.
And Giovanni Bernard.
2.
4.
2.
4 and 5 in a PPR.
Yeah, 3 in PPR, 2 in standard.
Elijah McGuire is 22% owned.
I don't know what his role is going to be, but man, did he look good last week.
His touchdown run was better looking than Powell's.
Powell's was a complete fluke.
Yeah.
Well, that's a problem.
But he does well when he gets a look.
He still gets a lot of work.
Yeah.
And it is the Browns.
He still had more rushing yards, though.
And it is the Browns.
Are you starting any receivers in this game?
Let's pick up the pace a little bit, guys, if we can.
I'm interested in Robbie Anderson as a boom bust number three.
Yeah, number one guys have had
a lot of success, and Curse is still their number one
guy, so Curse, to me, is the number three receiver in this game.
Would you start either of them
over Will Fuller?
No. No. Okay. Yes.
Oh, alright. You'd start Robbie Anderson over Fuller, Heath?
Yep. And we've got
Austin Safarian Jenkins. Jamie has him seventh.
Dave has him ninth. Heath has him 20th in standard, not ranked in PPR. He's 20 Jenkins. Jamie has him seventh. Dave has him ninth.
Heath has him 20th in standard,
not ranked in PPR.
He's 20th in PPR too.
I just saw that.
Okay.
So 20,
but you're not feeling it with this ASJ.
No,
I, I understand taking a flyer on Austin's fair and Jenkins because he's
playing the Browns,
but it's because he's playing the Browns.
That's,
that's totally in 100% it.
Okay. Jet. I ST. Sorry, Heath. It's funny though. Cause you buy into targets so's because he's playing the Browns. That's totally and 100% it.
Sorry, Heath. It's funny, though, because you buy into targets so much, and he's going to start to
continue to see more and more targets. I don't know why
we would think he's going to start to see more and more targets.
Well, they just cut Will Tye because they don't need him on
the team anymore, and the rest of the receiving
core is terrible. Why wouldn't he see more targets?
Austin Safarian Jenkins is no provably
better than Robbie Anderson or Jermaine Kearse.
It depends on what type of role you're talking about.
He's all a mythical upset.
Well, they're all about the same.
Well, I mean, Will Tye wasn't really cutting into his targets.
No, but he's gone.
He's not even going to play.
Yeah, and he didn't have a target.
It's snap count.
He's going to be on the field more.
He won't even cut into his post-game deal.
He didn't play well.
He got 54 snaps last week.
I don't think that's fine.
He got four targets.
All right. Who cares? think – that's fine. He got four targets. All right.
Who cares?
They were routing their opponent.
Dave and Jamie like Savarian Jenkins.
Heath really does not.
They were routing their opponent?
They won in overtime, didn't they?
Or they won by a field goal against Jets?
They won in overtime.
They won in overtime, yeah.
Weren't they up big in that game?
They were up.
They might have been up by 10 at one point.
They might have been up by 10 at one point. They might have been up by 10 at one point.
They were up.
Yeah, I think they did blow a lead in that game.
Tennessee, I mean, they definitely blew a lead.
It might have been a big one.
Tennessee at Miami.
All right, here's your stat of the game.
Every wide receiver with six or more targets against Tennessee
has scored seven or more fantasy points in standard scoring leagues.
Every wide receiver with six or more targets against the Titans has scored seven or more fantasy points in standard scoring leagues. Every wide receiver with six or more targets against the Titans
has scored seven or more fantasy points in standard scoring leagues.
And Devontae Parker and Jarvis Landry have had six or more targets
in all three games.
In fact, they get a lot of targets.
Are they both good starts this week?
Yes.
Yeah, they're fine.
Okay.
Dory Jackson is going to have the worst day of his life.
If he hasn't already.
Sad.
We're not planning on Mariota playing.
So are you avoiding Richard Matthews?
Yes.
I would like to.
Would you start Will Fuller or Richard Matthews?
Fuller.
I'd probably still start Richard.
I think I would too.
Would you start?
It's not like it's a tough matchup for Matthews.
Would you start Jacquez matchup for Matthews.
Jacquez Rogers or Rashard Matthews?
Quiz for me. Matthews.
Matthews and PPR.
Matthews did not have one catch
with Matt Castle in the second half last week.
But, you know, different week.
The Tennessee running backs.
Give me your quick thoughts. Dave Richard.
Nervous to start DeMarco Murray I think the Dolphins despite their shortcomings
Have done a decent job against the run
At least they've held down running backs
To under 3.5 yards per carry
3.1 this year
Yeah it's not bad
DeMarco had that one great run
75 yards
Last week he had a decent rushing average
He had seven carries.
Derek Henry had six.
He's going to split time. If Mariota doesn't play,
it makes the matchup even harder because that
Dolphins defense can sink into him a little
bit more. I think he's no better
than a low-end number two running back.
I just wonder, we just saw Alvin Kamara
catch 10 passes for 71 yards against
this team, and they've got to do something
that Matt Castle can do.
They get a full week of practice.
I wonder if they design a few more pass plays to Marco Murray this week.
They have to lean on these running backs.
They have to lean on the running backs, but the Dolphins know it.
Yeah, but they still have trouble against the runner.
They're averaging 3.1 yards per carry against –
running backs are averaging 3.1 against Miami.
I don't know how much –
Yeah, no, not on the ground.
In the passing game, like Melvin Gordon had 65 yards receiving,
and Kamara last week, 71 yards.
So maybe we get some more catches from Murray.
He hasn't really been there.
DeMarco Murray or Lamar Miller?
Miller.
Miller.
Miller.
DeMarco Murray or Carlos Hyde?
Hyde. Oh? Hyde.
Oh, Hyde.
That's an easy one.
Murray or Marshawn Lynch?
Lynch.
Murray easily.
Murray, but it's close.
Okay.
And so Dave is actually pretty down on DeMarco.
Heath and Jamie have him as an obvious start.
Dave has him right around 24th.
Delaney Walker, I think you're going to start by default.
And then Jay Cutler.
Cutler or Josh McCown?
I moved Cutler up.
Cutler ahead of McCown.
So it's got to be Cutler.
Cutler.
This is the week for Jay Ajayi.
He's top eight in standard.
He's top 12 in PPR.
Tennessee also has been good against running backs,
3.5 yards per carry to running backs,
but four total touchdowns in four games.
And then which Dolphins receiver do you prefer?
Parker.
Parker.
Parker, and I expect this to be the week for J.I. Jai.
Who's a better flex, DeMarco Murray or Devontae Parker?
Parker.
Parker, yes.
Landry's a better flex than Murray too.
Jarvis Landry or Adam Thielen.
Thielen.
Landry.
Landry.
Landry number two wide receiver this week?
Mm-hmm.
All right, cool.
Latavius Murray or Jarvis Landry?
Landry for sure in PPR.
Landry in PPR.
Yeah.
I'll take Murray Standard.
All right.
Let's hit the DSTs.
Although, here's a cool stat.
The last two DSTs to face the Dolphins finished third for the week,
and they were the Jets and the Saints.
So the Titans don't have a good defense,
but neither do the Jets and the Saints, So the Titans don't have a good defense, but neither do the Jets and the Saints,
and they finished third in weeks three and four.
So just for fun.
Just one other point.
Could this be a game where the Dolphins lean?
And I talked about this on FFT yesterday.
It seems like it's a really good formula for the Dolphins to just lean on Ajayi.
And if that's the case, then I don't know if we can love Parker and Landry like we do.
You can.
I don't know if they can.
I don't know if all these guys are going to have a great game.
It is unlikely that all three of them are awesome.
Okay, guys.
How about two minutes per game for the next two games?
I saved the easy ones for the end.
San Francisco at Indianapolis.
Stat of the game, Pierre Garçon
has zero targets inside the 10-yard line
this year and zero touchdowns.
Consequently, I didn't like that stat so much.
So your bonus stat is that I once ate
at Steak and Shake at Indianapolis
and I loved it. It was delicious. I love Steak and Shake.
Pierre Garçon,
is he a must-start guy this week
even in standard scoring leagues?
He's going to be good.
He scores his first touchdown.
I think he scores his first touchdown as well.
I think he continues to rack up targets.
Last week, obviously, was a bad week for him.
The coverage was tight.
It was a difficult matchup.
The matchup this week is so much easier.
And I think they'll still potentially either be in a competitive game or trail.
So I think Garçon, green light. So competitive game or trail? Or they'll still potentially either be in a competitive game or trail. So I think Garcon, green light.
So they'll be in a competitive game or trail?
Or they'll be trailing.
So it could be something where they're going back and forth.
It could be like tied at 17 in the fourth quarter.
Or it could be 17-13 in the fourth quarter and 49ers have to put the ball in the air.
I don't think there's a game script where the 49ers build a lead with Hyde
and it's just Hyde all game long.
Which quarterback is a better flyer in this game?
Brissette.
Brissette, because he won't get benched.
Yep.
Frank Gore.
All right, we're obviously starting Carlos Hyde.
Frank Gore, three straight games with seven or more fantasy points in standard scoring
leagues.
Very good.
How much do you like Frank Gore this week?
Jamie Eisenberg.
I like him.
I don't love him, but I think, again, running backs being out,
situation being what it is, got involved in the pass game last week,
three catches.
And so I think you're going to see him get work.
Ryan Kelly practiced.
That's big for that offensive line.
So, yeah, I think he's a number two running back.
I like him a lot.
I like him better than Crowell, better than Lynch, better than Blunt.
Alex Collins or Frank Gore?
Gore.
I'll take Collins upside, but they're close.
Agreed.
Higher upside with Collins.
Jarvis Landry or Frank Gore?
Landry.
Landry.
For sure on PPR.
Landry.
Start or sit T.Y. Hilton?
Start. Start him. As good as T.Y. Hilton? Start.
Start him.
As good as the matchup is for Pierre Garçon, it's three times better for T.Y. Hilton.
Okay.
Three times.
I actually thought, and I didn't want to exaggerate, it is triple the matchup.
Is this a must-start week for Hilton?
Yes.
It should be.
Okay.
I'll do some Hilton comparisons tomorrow, I think.
And then finally, Baltimore at Oakland.
Are there – I'm not going to get – stat of the game is boring.
So are there any good starts in this game, Baltimore at Oakland?
Ben Watson.
How do you define good?
Collins could be very good.
Collins could be good.
I think Marshawn can be good.
Yeah.
I just want to point out that the stat of the game was this,
that Baltimore's run defense has not exactly fallen apart without Brandon Williams.
They lost another guy, too, with Urban.
Okay.
3.5 yards per carry to Fournette, 4.1 yards per carry to Le'Veon Bell with 35 carries.
So they've held up.
Actually, I think the running backs are very interesting in this game.
Who do you like better, Marshawn Lynch or Alex Collins?
I like Lynch better.
I like Lynch better, but it's close.
They're back-to-back Americans.
I think Oakland can do what I suggested the Dolphins might do,
and it's much easier to believe this for Oakland because they've got E.J.
Manuel under center.
Lean on Marshawn Lynch.
Past two weeks, 18 carries.
He's got to be pretty fresh.
Give him a little bit more of a workload.
You can use the other running backs, too, and just pound the Ravens on the ground, control the clock, take pressure off of Manuel, and Marshawn should put up some good numbers from there.
Here's your hot take, Adam.
I like Javorius better than both of them in PBR.
Ah, okay.
I'm very interested to see what kind of workload we get from Alex Collins just with the fumble issues.
They talked about they want to limit that, right?
That's what I saw.
Limit his fumbles?
Limit his touches because of his fumbles.
He has more fumbles in two years than touchdowns.
Yeah, it's weird.
He really can't stop fumbling.
Four fumbles in two years.
And the problem is that once you have that diagnosis, like the Raiders,
I think it helps his big playability because they're not necessarily wrapping up.
Right.
They're going for the ball.
They only see the football.
Would you go with Marshawn Lynch or Duke Johnson in standard and in PPR?
Duke in both.
Yeah. I think I've got
Marshawn ahead of him in standard.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'd go Marshawn in standard,
Duke in PPR.
Marshawn over under eight fantasy points, standard.
Over. Under.
Over. Okay.
Christian McCaffrey or Marshawn Lynch, standard
in PPR?
Lynch, standard, McCaffrey, PPR. McCaffrey or Marshawn Lynch, standard and PPR? McCaffrey.
Lynch, standard, McCaffrey, PPR.
McCaffrey in both.
McCaffrey in both.
Okay.
And then Baltimore DST, 11th for Jamie, 11th for Heath, 19th for Dave.
Dave kind of likes the Oakland DST.
This is not going to be a bonanza.
And now it will be, but no, it really won't be.
And finally, Ben Watson or Jared Cook?
Watson.
Cook.
Watson.
Oh, interesting.
All right.
All right, guys, thank you very much.
Tomorrow we'll recap the Thursday night game and preview the NFC home games.
Try to read some damn emails.
I'm Adam Azer for Dave, for Jamie, for Heath.
Talk to you tomorrow.
Bye.
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