Fantasy Football Today - 10/05: Start or Sit (NFC); Beat the Waiver Wire (Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: October 5, 2018Julian Edelman is back but is he back to being an automatic start? We start the show with a recap of IND-NE as we discuss Rob Gronkowski's slow start, Andrew Luck's pass attempts and much more ... An ...interesting RB option this week (13:04), news and notes (15:51), Beat the Waiver Wire (18:00) for Week 6 with several very enticing options, plus the Startometer (25:16) for guys like Sterling Shepard, Matt Breida and Devin Funchess ... MIN-PHI (28:00), GB-DET (38:01), WAS-NO (44:46), LAR-SEA (51:55), ARI-SF (56:32), NYG-CAR (59:00) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com This episode is sponsored by www.ZipRecruiter.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Julian Edelman, PPR King, is back.
And so are we, on the Friday edition of the Fantasy Football Today podcast.
You like the way I said that?
You just sounded very excited.
And I'm surprised you opened with Julian Edelman as the PPR King.
Chester Rogers as the PPR King.
James White is the PPR King.
It is official.
And Naeem Hines, great call, Heath.
He kind of took over.
15 carries, 7 catches.
Welcome, everybody.
It is Friday.
Starter set for the six NFC home games.
And, of course, recapping Thursday night.
And we're going to play Beat the Waverwire.
I have a lot of names.
I've got a random sleeper that I want to throw at you guys and see how you feel about it.
But first, let's start with Tweet of the Day from Isaac Acosta.
I just realized that Ebron with an L is LeBron.
That's not the thing that I realized about Ebron,
and I've wanted to tweet it many times,
and I've just never done it.
What did you notice?
Have you ever seen those things that people do on Twitter?
I did it last night where I turned Julian into Jag, just a guy.
And they just change one letter at a time
or move one letter in the name at a time.
Wait, I don't get it.
You should just move it.
Oh, so it's the word Julian,
and then you take maybe the N off,
so it's Julia,
and then you take the I away,
so it's Jula,
and then you take the L away,
so it's Jua,
and then you take the U away,
and it's Ja,
and then you add a G at the end,
and you say he's just a guy.
Yes, that's how you feel about Julian Edelman?
Right, but there is something similar that I've almost done with Eric Ebron a couple of times,
and I just don't.
Usually when you go with Ebron, you get an L.
Yeah, well, he was great.
But this year, he's been pretty incredible.
Andrew Luck has really been incredible, Adam.
All right, let's get into it.
New England 38, Indianapolis 24 also coming up today.
I think Matt Breida
is pretty interesting
this week.
Let's talk about Edelman.
Yeah, all right, fine.
You can't crown him
after that.
The Philadelphia-Minnesota game,
I'm very much looking forward
to discussing that one.
Are the Packers running backs
going to run wild on Detroit?
All right, fine.
Edelman.
I think he had three catches
on the opening drive. He finishes
with seven catches for 57 yards. I don't
know if that's a good game anymore in PPR. It's not.
It's not. It's not, right? That's a wide receiver
three. He's a flex in PPR.
Based on this one game, his first
game back. That's what he was. You just called him PPR
king. He just had a wide receiver
three game in PPR and probably a wide receiver
five game in non-PPR. He's basically
calling him a PPR peasant because he's only getting 57 yards.
The catches are nice, and they tried to get him into the end zone on the first drive.
He's a yard short.
Right.
He had an almost touchdown.
And a terrible drop.
He had a bad drop.
But you think you have to be encouraged by Edelman.
He looked like Edelman, right?
Was he a top five wide receiver in this game?
In what format?
Among?
He was outscored by Josh Gordon, right?
He was.
Yes.
Outscored by Rodgers.
Outscored by Cordero Patterson?
Yes.
In PPR?
No, non-PPR.
Yeah, and I think he was top five. In PPR, yeah, non-PPR. Yeah, I think he was top five.
In PPR, yeah, Edelman was better.
Okay, are you encouraged by Julian Edelman?
Do you think he's a must-start in PPR?
Almost exactly what I expected.
Which is a must-start in PPR?
My opinion hasn't changed.
As long as you start three receivers, he's a must-start.
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Okay, Sony Michel.
Sony Michel's awesome.
Sony Michel got almost every carry for them.
James White had, what, two carries?
Two carries.
Tom Brady had more quote-unquote carries.
Sony Michel also should have had two touchdowns,
but they didn't review his first touchdown,
which was ruled down at the one, or just short of the goal line.
And they didn't review the second one.
And then Tom Brady scored a one-yard touchdown rush.
So Sony Michel is better than Dalvin Cook by herself.
By.
It's based totally on where he's playing, the role he's got,
and the role and situation that Dalvin Cook is in.
If I had to say right now, I would say by.
I am hopeful that on Sunday Dalvin Cook plays
and they involve him in the passing game a little more.
You know who the Patriots play next?
Yes, but I have to look down at my notes.
They play the Chiefs.
Oh, that's right.
Another great game for Sony coming up.
They're a two-running-back team, which they haven't been.
And they're feeding both of them very well.
And two years ago, LeGarrette Blount had 299 carries in this offense.
That was in 2016.
So, I mean, I don't know that he's gonna be on a 300 carry pace but sony michelle had what 28 last night 20 sorry 18 18
carries 98 yards and a touchdown one catch he had 25 carries the week before i mean i'm really
i guess i would call him a buy high because I'm completely buying into Sonny Michel. But the problem is that if you're buying high on Sonny Michel, you're going to have to pay a lot.
Yeah, I'm not trying to quantify that right now, but he's going to shoot up the trade chart for sure.
Yeah.
If you draft it today.
I don't know.
Would you take Le'Veon Bell straight up for Sonny Michel right now?
I wouldn't.
No.
I'd take Michel, right?
Right.
That's what I would do.
Michelle, my bell.
You know, you just got to hope that he stays healthy.
You know that he had the knee issue earlier in the year.
That might be the only thing that slows him down.
Other thoughts, Heath, from this game?
There's a lot of thoughts from this game.
Eric Ebron is awesome.
He's a wide receiver one.
Not just a tight end one.
He's a wide receiver one.
He's the new Gronk?
Come on.
As long as T.Y. Hilton's hurt. Okay.
Please thank him for qualifying it like that.
And there is concern
that T.Y. Hilton's going to be hurt for a
while. He is
a wide receiver one. Yes. Yeah. There's talk
that he could miss a couple of games.
All right. Ebron had 15 targets,
nine catches for 105 yards and two touchdowns.
Actually made some pretty good catches in this game, which was surprising.
He has a touchdown in 4 or 5 games.
Now, you know, I think they still like Jack Doyle, who could be back soon.
They'll like anybody who can catch a football at this point.
Right, Jack Doyle can't do a lot of the things that Eric Ebron can do.
Doyle is more reliable on those 3 and 4 yard routes.
They got a 3rd and 3, and they need to pick up a short-yarded situation,
throw the ball to Jack Doyle.
He can't go down the field at all.
This was a perfect scenario, though, for Ebron, right?
Hilton's out, Doyle's out,
and Andrew Luck had to throw 59 passes,
two games in a row.
That's the Colts.
Yeah, that's because they can't really run the ball very well.
They gave Hines 15 carries.
He averaged three yards per carry.
Boy, he's really throwing a ton.
101 passes in his last two games?
121 passes in his last two games.
121 passes in his last two games?
Yeah.
I do math.
I know math.
That's, you know, almost 1,000 pass attempts.
Yeah.
I don't know if that's sustainable.
Good thing he had shoulder surgery.
All right.
So what are your overall thoughts on Andrew Luck?
He had 365 yards, three touchdowns, and two interceptions.
He had 60 yards and a touchdown on the last drive of the game
to really pad his stats, got him over.
He was already over 300 yards at that point,
but he got way over 300 then, and he had the third touchdown.
I think you've got to start him every week.
I don't think there's a matchup coming up where you're going to say,
all right, Luck's not going to have to throw a lot in this game
because they can't run the football.
And I also noted that his offensive line played better.
They had Costanzo back in the second half of the game.
I don't think he was touched at all.
I think he took a sack in the first quarter,
and after that he didn't get sacked again.
Did we bench Andrew Luck in our league?
Yeah, we did.
For Rivers.
For Rivers.
You would have done that, right?
That's an early – I benched him for Blake Bortles
in one league, and that feels like an early candidate
for idiot moron. No, look, he scored
28 fantasy points and 6 points for passing
touchdown leagues. Like, that's not
going to be
top 5. No.
It might be. It could be. It's already
number 2 behind Brady, who scored 33
fantasy points. It's a candidate for top 5. Like I said,
3 weeks in a row, we have had
eight or more quarterbacks score 30
fantasy points in six points
per pass in touchdown league. So Luck's at 28.
Am I
crazy for focusing on the fact that he
has thrown 121 passes in the last
two games? No, but that's part of the joy of him
in fantasy. Yeah, but that really
is a lot. I mean, 60 is
ridiculous.
It's obviously not going to happen.
He's not doing that well per pass attempt.
That's not the name of the game in fantasy football.
You can't judge him per pass attempt. He's thrown over 50
in three of five games.
I wouldn't be surprised if he averages 50 per game.
He's basically done it without
T.Y. Hilton for the last game and a half
maybe.
Interesting matchup for him next week at the Jets, too.
We've got to talk about two more.
Well, all right.
Naeem Hines.
PPR king.
But 15 carries.
I mean, they're done with Wilkins.
They need to stop giving him the ball between the tackles.
That is a terrible plan.
I wonder.
That's not his game.
I know that I'm going gonna sound goofy for even suggesting
this but why don't they give robert turbin a shot look at the rest of what they have wilkins can't
get the job done i know he had a nice run can't block anyone no and then he also had a turnover
in the game so i i wonder if they move away from him if marlon mack gets healthy then he'll
certainly get an opportunity probably before turbin but if mac's not healthy maybe turbin
will be that guy.
So I'm happy I stashed him in the deeper leagues.
I'm going to hang on to him for at least another week.
And I guess I'm still stashing Marlon Mack.
It seems like such a pipe dream at this point.
I keep dropping him, and no one picks him up,
and I add him back the next week, and then I drop him again.
Yeah, I just feel like they need to run the ball,
and they can't with who they have now.
So that's why I'm hopeful for Mack.
But Hines is going to be a factor in PPR.
He had seven catches.
He had 90 total yards.
So Heath was the first one really pumping that.
If Marlon Mack's out, he liked Hines.
So nice job, Heath.
And let's talk about the Patriots' pass catchers.
Josh Gordon, they're still sort of easing him back in.
He made a really nice catch on that touchdown.
Two catches, 50 yards, and a touchdown for him.
That can't hurt him moving forward, by way they seem to like hopefully that gets him a
little more playing time yeah okay what about gronkowski is he still gronkowski because for
him now he had six for 75 this is a four game stretch with no more than 75 yards and no
touchdowns if you want to be encouraged he he had a four-game stretch last year,
weeks 7 through 10, with just 219 yards, no more than 75 yards in any of those games,
and only one touchdown on 26 targets.
So it's been a bad stretch.
He's had it before.
Do you think he's going to be huge rest of season,
or are we lowering our expectations for Gronkowski?
Well, we've already lowered our expectations
because I think we've all agreed that he's, at best,
the number three tight end in fantasy,
and he was drafted as the number one tight end.
I don't agree with that.
I think it depends on the format.
You would rather have him than Kelsey or Ertz.
Which one?
Ertz.
In PPR, you'd know Jake Ertz.
Wait a second.
Let me just say,
I just don't think that it's a definitive statement.
If you want to draft him third, fine, but I would still say any of those three could be the number one tight end going forward.
Let's rank them.
Who would you rank as the number one tight end?
Kelsey won.
And number two?
Gronk, Standard, Ertz, PPR.
I think it's Ertz in both.
It's been so long since the Patriots have had James White, Julian Edelman, and Rob Gronkowski all healthy at the same time.
It happened for six weeks in 2016.
And they had Deion Lewis at that point.
And they didn't have Josh Gordon. And they were all pretty mediocre because those three really benefit when one of the three is out.
When they're all three there, they can't all get 10 targets a game.
No, no.
Gronk is on pace for like 90 targets or something like that, which would be his – 99 targets.
That would be his fewest in a season of 15 or 16 games since his rookie year.
So, okay.
Third for Heath, Dave?
Third in PPR.
And you know what?
Here's the tiebreaker between him and Ertz.
Who's more likely to play 16 games?
Yeah, Ertz.
Ertz has had some injury.
He has.
He has.
But at this point in time, I think you've got to put Ertz second and Gronk third in all formats.
He's right.
Are we done with this?
I mean, and then you want to start getting into the conversation about maybe Ebron jumping in there ahead of Gronk.
Get out of here.
Jared Cook.
Come on, guys.
I mean, I hate where this is going because these names freak me out, man.
No, come on.
We can't.
No, no, no, no.
Come on now.
I mean,
Jared Cook does that again this week.
Jared Cook's also had
two terrible games, right?
Terrible as in worse than Gronk's
worst two games this year?
I think he had like a four for 50.
I don't remember what the third was.
It doesn't matter. You're not taking Jared Cook
over Gronk. Come on now.
All right, I got an interesting sleeper for Fantasy Week 5.
People are desperate for running backs.
Inspired by Heath's call of Naeem Hines.
How do you feel about a 48% own time Montgomery?
It is contingent on, say, Cobb and Allison not playing.
How about Cobb, Allison, and Devontae Adams not playing?
Yes, Adams is on the injury report as well.
This is a great call.
He's a good DFS play too.
He's absolutely a good DFS play.
And I think the Packers are going to end up going run heavy.
I think they're going to try and lean up.
Where's their strength right now on offense.
If they don't have their receivers,
it's the running backs.
They've got Jones who look great.
Jamal Williams can be serviceable and Ty Montgomery can catch
passes out of the backfield. Maybe they line up
with two tight ends more often. You know Graham's going to be
on the field. Use the second tight end and
not force those rookies on the field
if they're not ready. At least not a lot of them.
MVS will be there,
but I don't know about Jamal Moore
and Equinemius St. Brown.
We are going to preview this game, but
what do you think Devontae Adams, how many of these wide receivers do you expect to play at this point?
We've got Adams ranked.
We'll see where he is on the injury report on Friday.
But it sounds like there's a decent chance he does not play.
Again, consult the injury report.
Consult SeabassSports.com, and we will know.
Okay.
Yeah, and Jamie and I will update you on the mailbag show coming up later today.
So Ty Montgomery, 48% owned.
Is he only a PPR sleeper?
Yeah, I think he's safer there than he is in non.
He's much safer and much better in PPR.
You could flex him.
I don't know that I expect.
I think you could get something similar to Julian Edelman production,
and you hope he scores a touchdown.
Right.
Two straight games with 48 or more receiving yards for Montgomery.
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Hope you're excited. I wish
Jamie were here for it, but
Garoppolo, bye.
Pretty good.
Thank you to AJ for that one.
All right, entries, news, and notes.
Jalen Ramsey and Tyreek Hill are having a wonderful game of trash talk.
I'm excited about that.
How many fantasy points do you get for that?
I don't...
It hasn't really been that trash talky.
Jalen Ramsey always talks.
He's a punt returner.
Yeah, Jalen Ramsey does talk.
Right.
It's pretty good.
I think Tyree kills it.
I hope he presses me because no one –
I hope he does because I would love to see what happens.
I mean, this would be fun.
Yeah.
It's going to be a great game.
It should be.
It really should be.
Aaron Rodgers practiced in full, so he is getting healthier.
But obviously, he's got the injuries to his receivers.
So Rodgers is going to be an interesting call this week.
Dalvin Cook is questionable.
Do you think he plays at Philadelphia?
I think he plays.
Okay.
Chris Carson practice.
Looks like he will probably play against the Rams.
Will Fuller expects to play.
Sammy Watkins was limited in practice.
We don't want to start him anyway, right?
Sammy?
No.
You try and get away from Sammy.
Fuller I would absolutely play.
Yeah, Fuller, yeah.
I think I'm going to end up starting Edelman over Fuller
because I didn't know what to do.
You already had to make that decision.
So it's going to be ending up –
Unless you're one of those –
It's going to end up being Tyler Boyd or Will Fuller.
Yeah, it's Boyd.
Let's see.
I'd go Fuller.
That's the problem.
So I'm going to end up starting Edelman over one of those two.
Well, and the thing is Boyd plays at 1 o'clock.
We all were 100% certain that Chris Carson was playing.
Exactly.
And Fuller has a hamstring issue.
He could play one play and be done.
Right.
So, I mean, that sucks.
I have to probably bench Will Fuller.
But everybody's got wide receivers.
Nobody's got running backs.
Green Bay cornerback Kevin King is expected to play,
and we know he makes a big difference.
So keep an eye on that one.
Matthew Stafford owners, do you expect the following players
that are on the injury report?
Quincy Inunua against Denver.
Yes, we expect him to be there.
Matt Breida against Arizona.
Yes.
Doug Baldwin against the Rams.
Oh, hell yeah.
Devante Freeman at Pittsburgh.
He'll play.
Joe Mixon, Giovanni Bernard against Miami.
It looks like it will be the Joe
Mixon show with Gio
not participating. We'll see
that there's a Friday practice yet to come.
But as of Thursday, that's the way
it looks. Lamar Miller,
Sunday night against Dallas. He'll play,
but I don't know how good he'll be.
And let's beat the
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All right, beat the waiver wire.
So looking at not just week six but beyond.
But seriously, if you have Breeze.
Who's on by next week?
Breeze and Stafford.
Saints and Lions.
So lots of receivers.
Pick up Jameis Winston right now.
And pick up Chris Godwin.
They are at Atlanta.
And Jameis is 48% owned and pick up Chris Godwin. They are at Atlanta, and Jameis is 48% owned, and Godwin is 49% owned.
And pick up Cameron Brate.
Yes, good call. Pick up Cameron Brate.
Andy Dalton's 82% owned. He's got Pittsburgh at home.
Baker Mayfield I threw on there.
Mayfield looks like he's very good, but he's got the Chargers next week.
Good matchup. So he's very good. But he's got the Chargers next week. Good matchup.
So there's some guys.
So Jameis, Mayfield, Dalton.
Running backs, you know, this is never easy.
Latavius Murray is 53% owned.
You don't have to pick him up if you think Cook's going to play.
But he can't stay healthy, Cook.
Tariq Cohen is 78% owned.
It's your last chance to get him.
He's on a buy right now.
And I put Alfred Blue on here.
I don't know.
I'm trying to find running back situations that may start tilting in the other direction.
Right.
And Blue stinks.
He does, but Lamar Miller hasn't been great either, and they've lessened his workload.
And Miller's the one who's worked at the goal line.
I think they've had two goal line plays. Not goal to go, but from the one.
And it's been Blue both times, not Miller.
Okay, yeah.
So I don't know.
So if you're desperate, maybe he finds six against Buffalo.
I got a name.
Oh.
Samaje Pirine.
Why?
Because we haven't really seen Adrian Peterson practice yet.
He was limited on Thursday.
Assuming he's going to be fine.
He could show up Monday night, assuming he's going to be fine he could show up monday
night realize he's 34 years old take one bad step and be out okay that's a deeply one and and uh
deontay foreman to stash um wide receivers randall cobb uh 76 percent on he's got the
niners next monday if he plays i don't know why I put him on here. But the Niners are really bad against receivers.
And, you know, it could be a situation where Allison's out and Cobb is in.
Jamison Crowder is someone to keep an eye on because this guy is streaky.
Two years ago, in 2016, he had seven straight games with eight or more fantasy points in non-PPR.
And that began in week six.
Last year, he had seven or more fantasy points in six of eight games beginning in week eight.
So he's the kind of guy who does get off to slow starts.
Jameson Crowder is 59% owned.
Would you like another wide receiver?
Well, I have Mohamed Sanu against Tampa Bay next week.
And yes, I will take another one.
Well, this one might make your skin crawl.
Robbie Anderson, who will take on the Colts
and that defense
that has nobody healthy on it, apparently.
No.
So there could be some opportunities for him against that defense.
Again, desperation time.
Austin Hooper against Tampa Bay.
I love the cam and break call.
Tyler Croft against Pittsburgh next week.
Vance McDonald against Cincinnati, but he's 82% on.
And Greg Olson, you should definitely get right now. He's 67% owned. He's not going to play this week, but Greg McDonald against Cincinnati, but he's 82% owned. And Greg Olson you should definitely get right now.
He's 67% owned.
He's not going to play this week, but Greg Olson has a chance,
maybe even a good chance to play next week.
Hayden Hurst.
Hayden Hurst, very under-owned.
Not sure we're going to want to start him this week.
No, no, no.
I don't know who the Ravens have next week, but it doesn't matter.
Why doesn't it matter?
Because they throw to tight ends.
They're going to throw 40 passes to their tight ends regardless of who they play.
They're at Tennessee.
Third week in a row on the road.
The Chargers DST, they're pretty owned, but they're at Cleveland.
If anybody dropped the Vikings DST, they get Arizona next week.
The Bears DST is mostly owned, but they're on a buy,
so somebody may have dropped them.
And the Texans DST is 73% owned.
They have Buffalo next week.
That's the one.
That's the streamer, the Texans, the SD.
They are widely owned, but 73%.
They've been pretty crappy this year.
Yes.
And they fell on a touchdown in the end zone last week
and saved their bacon.
But Buffalo next week, that's the great matchup.
I think the Packers could be good as well.
Oh, against San Francisco.
And their defense is getting a little healthier,
certainly in the secondary.
Monday night football at Lambeau against C.J. Beathard.
So if you are stashing for next week,
keep an eye on those Buccaneers who are on by
and then facing Atlanta on the
road. Packers DST,
Houston DST,
Alfred Blue, Samaje
Pirine, Chris Godwin, you mentioned him,
and Robbie Anderson.
And yeah.
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That you don't know about, but it goes with our last segment.
Okay.
So Stacy just tweeted me, looking ahead to Breeze by,
and I don't have anyone I want to drop.
Should I drop Trey Burton, Kenny Stills, or Chris Godwin for Jameis
before someone else picks him up?
I mean, if Burton's your second tight end, I think I probably would.
But I think you could trade him for something.
You wisely started Eric Ebron over Trey Burton.
Well, that was good.
Or I would drop Stills.
I'd drop Burton.
Over Stills?
I don't know that Ebron's going to be dependable rest of season.
Sure.
Oh, but Trey Burton is?
Maybe more so than Ebron. No.
Ebron has end zone targets
every single week, and he's got
a quarterback that's throwing the ball at least 20
times a game. Does he have twice as many targets
as Trey Burton? No one got it? No one left?
Okay, but here's the thing. I'm just going to sit here and
I didn't say anything. I said he's throwing at least
20 times a game.
He's throwing at least 20 times? Andrew Luck.
Oh, he is, yeah. I don't get the joke it's like 50 times
yeah yeah i just threw in a low number on purpose this was this was a waste of everybody's time all
right let's move on let's move on um i was gonna ask you for some long-term outlook stuff but we'll
skip that all right so we got six games coming up start-o-meter for the two games that we're
gonna do last later in the show just in case people aren't around. Start them, 0-10. Zero is now.
No way, you idiot.
Not starting him.
You suck.
10 is, of course, I'm starting him, you idiot.
You're an idiot for asking.
Zero to 10.
David Johnson.
10.
10.
I'm only answering with zeros and 10s.
I want to make sure you're an idiot.
Matt Breida.
10.
What?
Really?
Six.
How is Matt Breida a ten?
You've got to start him.
No, you don't.
You should.
Go ahead and discuss real quick.
There are a variety of running backs that you could also have on your team
that you would start over Matt Breida, including TJ Yeldon.
Do they go up against Arizona, who can't stop the run?
But the thing is, they are not that bad against the run.
They give up the most fantasy points to running backs
because they give up five more carries per game than any other team.
Sounds like a perfect recipe for San Francisco to follow.
Which they need to do.
He started to get more carries than Alf.
Last week, I think, was maybe the first time he had more carries than Alf.
So he's a 10 for you.
Would you start Broncos running back or Brita?
Brita. i agree with
that yeah but i don't i'm down on the broncos running backs all right falcons running back
or brita brita i would start tevin over brita but brita over freeman mixin or brita mixin
alfred morris uh start-o-meter one oh i'm not an idiot well Well, you are. I don't know, like a one or a two.
He might fall into the end zone.
He's getting dropped.
He's like 50% on Alfred Morris.
Larry Fitzgerald.
Four.
Yeah, this one depends on format.
I would agree with four in PPR, and I would say one in non-PPR.
Sterling Shepard.
Eight.
I'm excited for him.
I think he has another good game, so 10.
They have been.
Actually, I don't know if he's their slot receiver anymore.
Does he play on the slot?
He moves around.
If you want percentages, I'll get you percentages.
They have been.
The Panthers have been terrible against slot receivers
and pretty good against A.J. Green and Julio.
Yeah.
Although, was that the game that Green got hurt?
I think it may have been.
I think he was on his way to a big game.
And finally, Devin Funchess.
I'm actually a little nervous about Funchess.
I don't know if Jenkins follows him.
Jenkins has given up a lot of numbers this year.
Has he?
Yeah.
Okay, he fell down and gave up the long pass to Tavon Austin.
I thought he did a pretty good job against DeAndre Hopkins.
Hopkins had like 86 yards.
Right, and Michael Thomas only had four targets.
Yeah, he shadowed Hopkins.
He caught all four of the targets.
He did pretty well against Michael Thomas.
They just didn't throw at Thomas.
They were running the ball well.
I'll give him a six.
Yeah, I like Funchess a lot, but I'm slightly nervous about him this week.
I think he's much safer in PP.
I think he's very similar to Sterling Shepard.
Okay, let's get to the games.
Minnesota's at Philadelphia.
I got three stats of the game.
Number one.
Two-thirds of Shepard's snaps have come in the slot.
That's good for him, then, in this particular case.
Stat of the game number one.
Dating back to last year's postseason,
Vikings played two postseason games.
The Vikings have allowed 27 or more points to an opponent
in five of their last six games.
Wow.
Stat of the game number two,
the Vikings allow the eighth most fantasy points
to opposing wide receivers.
But, rewind a week ago,
they actually had allowed the fifth fewest fantasy points to wide receivers,
and then they played the Rams, and now they allow the eighth most.
And stat of the game number three is
just for fun. Adam Thielen is on pace for 224
targets this year.
I don't think that's just for fun.
He might get only 220.
I remember
I was, my big thing, I said it
so many times, I'm not going to draft
Adam Thielen.
He got 143 targets last year.
There's no way he's getting that again.
We all went gaga for Diggs.
224.
Well, I mean, that's at least justified.
We had Thielen over Diggs, right?
I did for most of the preseason, and then at the end,
I couldn't deny what I saw with Diggs in the preseason games.
Okay.
I had Thielen with Diggs.
So anyway, this Vikings defense, I mean,
are we afraid to start Eagles this week?
I feel like they can.
They're going to try and bounce back.
Zimmer's been banging the drum for the secondary to play better
and that their pass coverage was really terrible against the Rams.
And Philadelphia is going to try and pick on Anthony Barr.
They're going to try and pick on, I don't know if Trey Waynes plays,
so his replacement out there, McKenzie Alexander in the slot,
they're probably going to pick on him.
I think Philadelphia is going to scheme their way to be successful.
What I'm worried about with the Eagles is their run offense,
their offensive line.
And this is really crucial for their pass game too.
Their O-line has not played well the past couple of weeks.
Wentz took a beating last week.
Ajayi saved his game with a couple of late runs against Tennessee.
I'm not feeling great about Ajayi.
I think he's more of a flex.
I'm worried about Aguilar because he's just not getting a good receiving average.
Wentz seems like a quarterback with a decent ceiling, not a high ceiling.
To answer the original question, the Vikings don't scare me defensively at all.
They are not as good at all without Everson Griffin.
That's very true.
I view the Eagles like they're playing an average defense.
You still don't like their run defense.
Their run defense has been pretty good.
3.9 yards per carry to running backs and no rushing touchdowns yet.
Does that mean anything?
I don't know.
And that's Jay Ajayi's specialty, I guess, right now.
That's what's funny since he scored one rushing touchdown in the regular season with the Eagles last year, I think.
Ajayi seems to always find a way to save his day and be respectable,
but it's not the most impressive stuff so far.
But he has been worth starting.
I view him a lot like I do Marshawn.
You just kind of start him?
Probably going to start him, yeah.
But I'd rather go with Marshawn than Ajayi this week.
I would really go with Ajayi.
I mean, and then there's Alshon Jeffrey, who had a great game last week,
but didn't get a ton of targets.
He had nine targets but went through 50 passes.
He had 105 yards and a touchdown.
This is what the Philly Voice said about Jeffrey versus Xavier Rhodes.
The Eagles can still target Jeffrey when Rhodes is playing on him.
In the NFC title game, Nick Foles targeted Jeffrey with Rhodes on him three times
and was three for three.
Doug Peterson expects that Jeffrey will see a lot of Rhodes once again.
Quote, we know Rhodes is a top corner. He said a lot of respect
for his game and physical blah blah blah.
Probably anticipate him being on Alshon most of
the day. Last
year in the lead up to the
championship game, the NFC championship game, we cut
up video of every Jeffrey target versus Rhodes
since they played against each other when he was with the
Bears. If you watch the video, it's certainly not
as if Rhodes owned Jeffrey
or vice versa.
There are plenty of examples of Jeffrey getting reasonably open,
but his quarterback did not have good placement or timing on the throw.
Anyway, starter Siddharth on Jeffrey.
Would you like to know the stats on Xavier Rhodes so far this season?
Yes.
He's been targeted 22 times.
The receiver against him has caught 15 passes for 144 yards,
so not even 10 yards per catch.
One touchdown, one interception against Xavier Rhodes.
So it's not a soul-crushing matchup, but it is certainly going to be.
It is going to be a little challenging for Alshon,
and I think given the other faults with Philadelphia's offense right now,
he's risky.
I would rather start all of the
Rams receivers. I'd rather start Emmanuel
Sanders. I'd rather start Calvin Ridley.
How about Tyler Boyd?
Oh yeah, definitely. Tyler Boyd's the number one right receiver.
How about some running backs? Would you start
Jay Ajayi or Alshon?
I'd go Ajayi in non-PPR.
Okay.
How would you start
Matt Breida or Alshon?
I'd go Breida over Alshon
In a non-PPR
How about Dalvin Cook or Alshon?
I think I'd go Alshon there
You know it seems like
We're not going to start Aguilar right?
I would try to avoid it
Like the plague in non-PPR
As best as you can
I'll say the same thing about him I said about Edelman I don't want to start him in non-PPR and as best as you can. I'll say the same thing about him I said about Edelman.
I don't want to start him in non-PPR.
I could start him as a number three in PPR.
Okay, he does have double-digit targets in three or four games.
He didn't catch a lot of passes, but he just might have less than 10 yards.
6.7 yards per catch so far for Nelson Aguilar.
We love Zach Ertz.
I'm assuming he's Zach Ertz.
So Carson Wentz, it's probably a situation where we want to see him have a really good game.
Last week was good, not great.
Before we are comfortable with him.
So Bortles over Wentz?
Yes.
I've got Wentz down there this week.
And I'm going to adjust my rankings.
I'd rather start Luck over him, too.
Where did you have Wentz rank going into Thursday?
Wentz or Luck?
Wentz.
17.
Okay.
Yeah, I've got him 19.
You had Luck 18.
I'm debating Wentz versus Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco.
Guys that I think just don't have that chance to get to 26 plus fantasy points.
We've talked about possibly sitting Patrick Mahomes this week.
I would not sit him for Carson Wentz.
Okay.
That more or less covers the Eagles. So, Kirk Cousins, how much do you like Kirk Cousins this week, I would not sit him for Carson Wentz. Okay. That more or less covers the Eagles.
So Kirk Cousins, how much do you like Kirk Cousins this week?
How can you not love Kirk Cousins after what you saw last week?
And he's kind of doing what Case Keenum did last year,
except he's doing it better,
taking full advantage of the receiving core around him,
and he's getting more opportunities.
You're much higher on him than Jamie and Heath.
You know what he kind of is doing is what Andrew Luck's doing right now.
He can throw on the ball a ton.
And I don't think they're going to be able to run the ball in this game.
No chance.
The Eagles have a great run defense.
His last three games, 48, 55, 50 pass attempts.
He's going to throw it 50 times.
So why is he only 10th for you?
I still think the Eagles can get to him.
Yeah, but can they get to him enough to cause more turnovers than touchdowns?
The interesting thing for Heath is Dalton, Rodgers, Bortles right in front of Cousins.
Like if Rodgers doesn't have his two receivers.
If Devontae Adams is out, Rodgers will be behind him.
What if Cobb and Allison are out and Adams is in?
That's what I've got it ranked based on.
Okay, so you still keep Rodgers ahead of him.
Right.
And Bortles you have ahead of Cousins and Dalton.
Yes.
But they're close.
Yes.
I mean, you're talking about a half a fantasy point in that range.
Okay.
So Cousins, most people are going to start him.
He's top 10.
He's top 11 for everyone.
He's fifth for Dave.
Just sit the running backs, Cook?
Probably.
That's probably the easier thing to do if Cook plays because you don't know how much he's going to play.
We got burned by that on Thursday, last Thursday.
If he's out and Latavius is in,
then I think Latavius enters the flex fray
but isn't somebody that you'd feel good about starting.
And start Diggs and Thielen?
Oh, yes.
Not against me.
Philadelphia allows the seventh most fantasy points to wide receivers.
And what about Kyle Rudolph?
He played them last year at eight fantasy points.
You have to.
You have to.
And I love the volume that he's been getting.
That's been a byproduct of Cousins throwing so much.
He's right in that range where if you have him on your team,
you probably don't have someone better because tight end's awful,
so you just start him.
Are there any waiver wire guys like Ricky Seals-Jones
or Vance McDonald that you would start over him?
Not me.
I would rather...
I'm not dropping Kyle Rudolph to pick up Vance McDonald,
but I do think that he's better in non-PPR this week.
Would you start either DST?
I think if you've been rolling with the Vikings for so long
and you still have them as your only option, you put them in your lineup.
I would drop the Vikings.
I would start the Eagles.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm clearly not there with how much I like Cousins.
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Green Bay is at Detroit.
Stat of the game.
Detroit allows the eighth fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks,
and they have faced the two most handsome quarterbacks in the NFL.
Brady and Garoppolo.
So anyway, but they have seen the fewest pass attempts in the NFL.
No quarterback has thrown more than 27 passes against the Detroit Lions.
Why?
Probably because their run defense is so bad.
So what do you think about the Packers offense?
I mean, you know, it was funny because I was looking at like how good the Lions have been
against wide receivers other than Quincy Anunua.
And then you look at the receivers the Lions have faced.
Yeah.
Like it's a who's who of the worst receivers in the NFL.
They've got the Cowboys.
They faced the Jets, the Patriots before Edelman was back.
I don't think we know anything about their defense.
And the fact they just haven't been thrown on a lot.
Nobody's had more than 27 pass attempts per game.
That's really low.
I'm probably still starting Rodgers as long as Adams plays.
If Adams is out, I'm getting away from the entire offense but if you have rivers if you have golf
if you have ryan you'd start them over rogers yes and dave you have rogers 12th i do so does jamie
and i had that's 12th with davante adams oh if adam sits it's it's nervous but i'm i'm very
encouraged by the way i said this on the Wednesday show.
I don't know.
Whenever it was.
The way Rodgers was moving last week.
He looked a lot better.
And he practiced in full.
So it looks like he's getting healthier.
But, you know, if everybody else is hurt, then that sucks.
Do we feel confident that Aaron Jones is going to get enough workload?
Define enough workload.
12 carries.
I think he will get you.
In 11 last week.
I don't know if 12 is enough is my question.
Oh, I agree.
Against this team, it might be.
6.1 yards per carry they're giving up Detroit.
So you would think that the Packers would try to knock them down with the run game,
especially given how their receiving core looks at this point in time.
They're not coming out and saying Aaron Jones is our starter.
He's going to be our main guy.
They want to use all three backs.
This is like a better version of what the Lions have been doing
for the last four years.
But I think eventually they're going to see that Jones is the most explosive,
the most versatile.
He doesn't tip the offense's play like Jamal Williams would
or like Ty Montgomery would.
And I think they end up using him more and more.
He had six carries two weeks ago, 11 carries last week.
He's averaging 6.3 yards per carry.
I don't know what the Packers coaching staff is going to wait for.
Why not give him enough opportunities at least to have the hot hand?
Mark Ingram or Aaron Jones this week?
Ingram.
Ingram.
Matt Brita.
Hey, Brita.
I'm a little low on these guys.
Really?
Because I'm worried about...
If you're telling me Aaron Jones
is getting 11 carries this week,
I don't want to start a running back
that's getting 11 carries
and doesn't get used in the passing game.
I have to start Jones in two leagues.
One, I'm starting him over Lamar Miller.
Yep.
I like that.
And the other, I'm starting him over Jamal Williams.
I like that, too.
Yeah, I would definitely start him over Jamal Williams.
I would start Lamar Miller over Aaron Jones.
One thing I could do is start both Packers running backs.
It's kind of a league where you start a lot of guys, the Flex League, and just hope one
of them.
So I'm very confident that one of them is going to have a big game.
Detroit has not allowed a big game to
multiple running backs in the same game yet.
But they are just terrible.
And
one of them is going to have a good game.
And what about
Ty Montgomery? So we kind of talked about
him as a sleeper. He's a good
PPR sleeper.
Would you start Montgomery over Jamal Williams
in PPR? Yes. Would you start him over Aaron Jones in PPRPR sleeper. Yeah. Okay. Would you start Montgomery over Jamal Williams in PPR?
Yes.
Would you start him over Aaron Jones in PPR?
I would.
All right.
Okay.
So the Green Bay wide receivers, just kind of break it down real quick.
Well, who's playing?
That's exactly the point.
If Adams plays, you start him.
I'm not going to go the MVS route.
I'm not going to go the MVS route. I'm not going to start Jamon Moore.
The only Packers pass catcher I will play if Adams is out is Jimmy Graham,
and I won't feel great about that.
Yeah, how do you feel about Jimmy Graham in this matchup?
Kind of the same as I do about Kyle Rudolph.
If he's on your team, there's probably not somebody else out there you're going to go add,
so just start him.
Okay.
Matthew Stafford, as we go to the Lions.
Start or sit?
Matthew Stafford, three straight games with multiple touchdown passes,
and he has scored 29, 21, and 24 fantasy points in his last three games.
Start or sit?
I believe he has multiple passing touchdowns in seven straight against Green Bay
and over 300 yards in four straight against Green Bay,
which means he's had at least 23 fantasy points in four straight against Green Bay and over 300 yards and four straight against Green Bay, which means he's had at least 23 fantasy points in four straight against Green
Bay.
And like you said,
he's been playing well the last three weeks,
at least 21 fantasy points in each of those games.
I know 21 isn't the number that we're looking for anymore,
but 24,
25,
I think that's pretty safe for Stafford this week.
Good quarterbacks,
right?
Which is why he's not like top five.
You,
you hear the,
that those numbers and you go,
oh, well, I've got to put him in my lineup,
but there are so many other quarterbacks that I like better,
but I'll take him over Aaron Rodgers.
I'll start him over Mahomes.
They are two spots away from each other in my rankings,
and I'm on Mahomes Island.
Who's the best running back in this game
as we loop the Lions guys in there?
Jones.
Carry on.
That's another guy. You just don't know how much work he's guys in there. Jones. Carry on. That's another guy.
You just don't know how much work he's going to get.
Jones had more carries last week.
Right.
Jones had more carries last week.
And Green Bay is not very good against the run either.
4.8 yards per carry to running backs, but they're not Detroit bad.
If Adams doesn't play, I think Detroit's going to win this game
and maybe by multiple scores.
That would help carry on.
And I do like carry on.
I just think Jones has a little bit more upside.
They're both top 20 running backs for me.
Okay.
The Detroit wide receivers.
I'll take both those running backs in this game ahead of any Falcons running back.
How about ahead of Ajayi?
Yes.
No.
How would you rank the three?
Ajayi is the top, then Johnson, then Jones.
All right, so differing opinions here.
Detroit wide receivers, Heath, what do you think?
I think it's Tate and then Galladay and then Gap and then Marvin Jones.
And I know Marvin Jones has had success against the Packers in the past,
but that was not, I don't believe very many of those games were with Kenny Galladay,
who is the number one outside wide receiver on this team.
Tate's got a great track record against Green Bay as well.
He's part of the reason why Stafford has had such big numbers against the Packers.
I still like Galladay better in non-PPR, but they're both top 20 for me in non.
Tate's better in PPR, and Jones is just down there by default.
You've got to hope he catches a touchdown.
Washington is at New Orleans.
Trivia question. Where was the first
Mardi Gras celebration held?
I'm not saying New Orleans.
No.
You have been there.
It's Galveston, isn't it?
No. You've been there to watch college football.
I've been there
to watch college football. But've been there to watch college football.
But no specific teams were playing.
I'm...
Mobile, Alabama.
Ah.
Home of the senior ball.
Yes.
Here is the incomplete slash unconfirmed stat of the game.
This is really thorough research by me.
In his last five primetime home games, Sunday
and Monday night only, Drew
Brees has scored 26 or more fantasy
points and 6 points per pass in touchdown leagues in all
five games and 30 or more fantasy points
in four of five games. I thought that we
banished
these types of numbers. This is the Roethlisberger stat all
over again. Yes. The thing is,
I don't think he had a Sunday night or Monday
night game last year, which blew my mind.
So I had to go to 2014, 15, and 16, and I also forgot to include Thursday night home games, which is why it is incomplete and unconfirmed.
But he is typically amazing in these spots.
However, this is the first game with Mark Ingram back.
But you guys are not worried.
You all have Drew Brees as a top three quarterback, and I think Dave and Jamie have number
one. Something like that.
So start Drew Brees.
Tell me about, obviously, Kamara
was starting. How much do you like Mark Ingram
in this game? I'm starting him.
I think game script will help Mark Ingram, and I
think he has a very good chance to score.
Washington's allowing a ton of yards per carry
on the ground, and
Kamara's
limited in practice this week.
So what better time for Ingram to come back and take a little bit of
Camara's workload off his shoulders than now fresh legs on top of it.
If you've been waiting this long to use him,
go ahead.
There's one league where I drafted Mark Ingram.
Cause you guys remember,
I wasn't excited to draft him as high as when you guys were drafting
him. But I found him late, round
six, round seven in one of my leagues. He
is immediately in my lineup.
Okay, and the
Redskins have not allowed more than 10
carries or 61 yards
rushing to a running back. However,
4.8 yards per carry to
running backs. They probably will give up more than
10 carries to multiple running backs in this game.
That's a weird thing.
They've not allowed more than 10 carries.
Yeah, yeah, I shouldn't have said that.
No running back has more than 10 carries.
You cannot run the ball anymore.
Any wide receiver other than Michael Thomas for the Saints?
Ted Ginn would be interesting.
He's also on the injury report with a knee.
Let's see if that's just like a Thursday thing and not a full week week thing starters at ben watson sit i still think he's a streamer okay he's
a streamer um so rank the running backs in this game with camara one who's two three four what
format give me that matters both in non-ppr you know what i think the format's going
to be the same for me or the order will be the same for me either way camara ingram thompson
peterson i'll go camara ingram peterson thompson in non-ppr and camara thompson ingram peterson
in ppr so you think that there's a chance Thompson gets 12-14
catches again?
Something that high. I wouldn't say 12-14.
That seems unreasonable.
Well, he had 13 two games ago.
7-9
and scores a touchdown? Yes.
The fast track? Yeah.
This is, so far,
a really good run defense.
Saints? The Saints,
3 yards per carry to running backs.
The sixth fewest fantasy points to running backs.
They have faced Peyton Barber, Carlos Hyde,
Tevin Coleman, and Saquon Barkley.
And a running back has scored double-digit fantasy points
against New Orleans in non-PPR in three straight games,
but it has not been easy,
and Barkley's the only one that's had a really big game.
It's been because of touchdowns.
Yeah, and Barkley's the only one that's had a really big game. It's been because of touchdowns. Barkley had a legitimately solid
game, but he also had 56 receiving
yards, so I guess where I'm going with this is
Adrian Peterson?
Potential bust?
I don't know that people are
as excited about him enough for him to actually be in a bust,
but it's the revenge game.
I think it's a touchdown.
It's the one guy that the revenge game might matter.
Yeah, he's a pretty vengeful guy.
He is a spiteful guy.
He really is.
All right, Chris Thompson.
Let's do some wide receivers here.
Chris Thompson or Alshon Jeffrey?
Thompson.
Definitely Thompson in PPR.
Chris Thompson or Corey Davis?
Thompson.
Thompson. Adrian Peterson or Corey Davis? Thompson. Thompson.
Adrian Peterson or Corey Davis?
Format.
Right.
You can just say format.
I like that.
Doug Baldwin or Peterson?
I think I'll take Davis in either format, by the way.
Peterson over Baldwin.
Peterson over Baldwin.
Any Washington wide receiver in this game?
Oh, and what about Alex Smith?
I feel like we're completely ignoring him
because that Saints secondary is so bad.
It's just, how aggressive is he going to be
throwing the football? Is he going to
and especially, first of all,
I'm a little gun shy after what
happened last week because Eli just
did not challenge them enough.
Alex Smith's better than Eli.
If Sterling Shepard scored
that touchdown, he was down to like the one-yard line.
Yeah, right.
Then Eli ends up with like 22 fantasy points, and you'd probably feel better about Alex Smith if you didn't see the 16 or the 15 from Eli Manning or whatever it was.
15.
So he would have had 21 fantasy points.
So maybe you would see that and expect like 24, 25 from Alex Smith.
Smith hasn't been that great.
He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't stood out this year. But he's faced much
tougher opponents than the Saints.
So, okay, Smith
or Rodgers?
As of now, it's Rodgers.
I don't think I'm going to change that.
It's Rodgers as long as Adams plays.
It's Smith if Adams doesn't. Smith or Carr?
Smith.
Carr.
James Crowder.
Paul Richardson.
Anybody?
They're interesting just because of this matchup and because it's –
Lattimore typically stays on number one outside receivers.
Yeah.
I wonder if they try and put him on Jordan Reed, which would be –
that would be a big change for Lattimore,
but I think that would make some sense.
If they don't, then he's just going to take away his side of the field.
He won't see a lot of Crowder,
which makes Crowder an interesting deep flex.
And Richardson, you've got to hope he catches another long touchdown.
So he's very risky.
And you guys have Jordan Reed as a top five tight end.
I would say unjustifiably so.
He really has not done that much this year.
This is just counting on it being a fairly high-scoring game.
And they have allowed the Saints the fewest fantasy points to tight ends,
but they haven't faced anyone of Jordan Reed's caliber.
So I was thankful that I started Ebron over Reed.
At least I think I started Ebron over Reed.
I should probably check that.
Yeah, I would be thankful if you did that.
And would you start Jared Cook or Jordan Reed? Cook should probably check that. Yeah, I would be thankful if you did that. And would you start Jared Cook
or Jordan Reed?
Cook is probably a little safer.
Alright. Rams are at the
Seahawks. The next few games,
I think those first three were kind of tough.
These ones are easy.
Stat of the game. Seattle is home to the
world's first gas station.
It opened on East Marginal Way
in 1907, according to TravelingWithTheJones.com. First gas station. First Starbucks, first gas station. It opened on East Marginal Way in 1907, according to TravelingWithTheJones.com.
First gas station.
First Starbucks, first gas station.
Very important stuff here.
Also Boeing from Seattle.
Boeing, yes.
Nirvana.
Jared Goff is a start. He's top eight.
He's fifth for Heath. He's eighth for Dave.
Todd Gurley is a start.
All the Rams wide receivers are starts.
And those are the Rams.
The Seahawks.
Russell Wilson.
Start or sit.
I think most people are going to sit him.
There is a part of me that thinks that he just comes out and has a huge game.
You look at the Rams defense last week.
Really?
Yeah.
I feel like we're all kind of overlooking him. We all think he's
going to stink. Maybe he
does a little bit more.
This is one of those
I'm not ranking it this way, so I really can't
go with this, but it feels like
this is when he
goes to everybody
in fantasy and says, fools you!
Fools you! And puts up
three touchdowns in 300 yards.
I want to clarify that I do not think Russell Wilson
is bad. I don't think he's lost anything.
I still think he's awesome and extremely
talented. But I don't
have him, I don't think, on any more of my rosters.
You see how like, when
Heath, and he looks right
so far about being down on Carson Wentz,
but he just doesn't think Wentz is that good.
But when Wilson... I never said, I said I didn down on Carson Wentz, but he just doesn't think Wentz is that good. But when Wilson is...
I said I didn't think that Wentz
was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
I said he's a good quarterback.
He's a borderline top 12 guy.
He's going to have a good season.
I would rather own Carson Wentz than Russell Wilson right now.
In most years,
the season that Wentz, I anticipate him having
in most years would be really good.
In this year, it's like,
I don't even know what's going to move the needle.
If I may have another volley, sir,
I just want to point out that Wilson's
max pass attempts in a game this year is 36.
He's not running.
We've talked so much
about quarterbacks that are throwing at 40, 45,
50 times a game,
and Russ just isn't going to do that.
Yeah, you are really...
Let's talk about the running backs here. They're going to do that. Yeah, you are really. All right, so let's talk about the running backs here.
They're going to screw that up too.
You buy that, that they're going to give Mike Davis?
I don't buy that.
Well, I guess I do.
He was really good.
Why wouldn't they?
Because they really like Chris Carson.
They liked him enough to basically give him the job over the guy they took in the first round.
They liked him enough to make him split carries for the first two weeks with Rashad Penny.
But then they gave it to him.
All right, go ahead.
Sorry, Dave.
Well, I mean, I was just going to say, could it be a split like last week where Mike Davis got off to a good start and handled most of the work?
He had 21 carries and Penny had nine.
And does Carson end up with nine this week?
The problem is they're not going to be able to run it 35 times against the Rams when they're down by six course.
All right.
How would you rank?
That's a good point.
I mean, they should get crushed in this game.
Oh, no, it's the Rams.
They usually play the Seahawks tough.
And now the Rams are better.
Would you start Carson?
Okay, would you start Carson or Davis if they both play?
Carson.
Would you start Carson over?
Dave, I think, disagrees.
I don't know exactly how I feel.
All I know is this. Mike Davis looked really good last week, disagrees. I don't know exactly how I feel. All I know is this.
Mike Davis looked really good last week.
Last year, he had a lot of really good moments.
Carson did, too.
I wonder if they just try and keep Davis going,
knowing that he didn't suffer the season-ending injury last year,
and he's not banged up right now.
If you guys can't decide who you want of these two Seahawks running backs against a good run defense, then I don't want to start either one of them.
No, you should not.
Oh, you don't want to?
No.
I would rather start Isaiah Crowell and Bilal Powell over either of these.
Crowell for sure.
Okay, how about Doug Baldwin?
Shake off the rust last week, come back now.
And it's hard to judge the Rams secondary.
They've only played one game without a keep to leave.
Marcus Peters clearly wasn't healthy in that game.
Yeah, and they say he's getting
better. I almost want to see it first.
I'm not excited about Baldwin in
non-PPR, and I think he's a flex.
I would still rather start Tyler Lockett
than Doug Baldwin. I would too.
I think he's got a chance to have another one of those big
plays. They're both number three receivers. But you'd rather
own Baldwin than Lockett.
I don't know if that's the case.
I think that could be format specific.
I wouldn't drop either of them.
I'd drop Lockett.
A lot of people are ready to run away from Lockett because he didn't have a touchdown.
Lockett really has never been good with Baldwin healthy.
No, but he has been very good.
With Baldwin healthy?
Okay.
Not fantasy good.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Because Russell Wilson doesn't throw that much, doesn't usually get two wide receivers involved.
But there's going to be a couple of shots.
He has a touchdown in three games.
Probably because Baldwin was out.
All right.
Arizona's at San Francisco.
The boring and recycled stat of the game.
I mentioned this last week.
Arizona sees the most rushing attempts per game in the NFL.
It's really the only thing interesting I can say about either of these two
horrible teams in a crappy game that nobody should watch. It should probably get canceled.
Arizona at San Francisco.
David Johnson's a must
start. Is there
anyone else that you're excited about in this game?
Brita.
Matthew J. Brita.
I'm starting George Kittle with confidence.
You think you can have another
82-yard broken play touchdown? I do not.
Would anybody start Seals Jones over Kittle?
I think a non-PPR, I'd be there.
The Niners have allowed a touchdown to a tight end in all four games.
So they don't give up yards.
I really liked what I saw from Josh Rosen last week.
The numbers didn't bear it out because he had a bunch of drops from his receivers,
and he threw a couple of passes away when he needed to.
But I thought he was great.
And it makes me wonder what the hell those coaches were thinking
by going with Sam Bradford for as long as they did.
And I think Rosen can turn around this offense to a degree.
And I think you saw it with David Johnson's numbers last week.
Anybody that started him, very happy with his numbers,
and I think he can come close to that again this week.
I think it was a service time issue.
Super 2, they didn't want to bring Rosen in too again this week. I think it was a service time issue. Super 2.
They didn't want to bring Rosen in too early.
Maybe.
Matt Heath, baseball joke.
That was a very good joke.
You know, I don't know.
I know that the final score was 3-2, and I know Jeffress blew it in the ninth.
I don't know how they scored the winning run.
Moose.
Home run?
No.
RBI single.
Extra innings.
Sound like a fun game.
Yes. Yeah.
Sport?
This Arizona-San Francisco game is another one.
I'll throw it into the same category as one we talked about yesterday with the Jets and Broncos, and the same category as one we saw a couple weeks ago with Detroit and Dallas.
The game that'll hurt your eyes?
We have this perception that the 49ers are terrible, the Jets are terrible, the Cowboys
were terrible, and then you go and look
and they're a four-point favorite this week.
Who? The Niners? The Niners.
They played a lot better than
I thought last week. My brother-in-law
said, who's your survivor pick? I said
Chargers over the Niners for sure.
We were sweating that one out.
They played great. Beathard played well.
But they don't have
that many startable guys, really.
Arizona's not allowed a touchdown to a wide receiver.
So keep that in mind. I think you can use both
these defenses. Okay.
And the Cardinals' DST is only 50%
owned. So if you are desperate for a DST,
they haven't been very good this year.
But you might be able to get away with them.
Giants at Carolina. Stat of the game number
one. The Panthers have allowed double-digit
fantasy points in non-PPR to a running back in all three games.
Only four running backs did that to them last year.
This year, three already out of three games.
So start Barkley.
Stat of the game number two.
Mention this.
Carolina's been great against outside receivers, terrible against slot receivers.
Buy or sell. Sterling Shepard's going to be better
than Odell Beckham this week.
I'm going to sell it
because I wouldn't tell somebody to start Sterling Shepard
over Odell Beckham, but I think
they both should be in every lineup.
Are you going to start Sterling
Shepard over... Okay, yes
on Doug Baldwin. Yes
on Larry Fitzgerald. No on Tyler Boyd.
I'll take him over Tyler Boyd.
I mean, you love Tyler Boyd, but I'm assuming you like Shepard quite a bit.
He's not a must start for me, but I do like him.
If you have a position where you can start three receivers, he's definitely a must start.
I think I'd start him over Funchess.
Non-PPR?
Yeah, you know what?
In PPR too.
You're right.
I have them in a very similar range,
and I would start Funchess over Shepard.
Shepard's last two games with Ingram hurt.
He got hurt early in the Houston game.
Six catches, 80 yards and a touchdown.
Ten catches, 77 yards and a touchdown.
And he almost had two touchdowns against the Saints.
I think it depends on what kind of game you think this is going to be.
I think it's going to be ugly. I think Carolina is going to be. I think it's going to be ugly.
I think Carolina's going to win. I think Carolina
runs like crazy
and then use play action to
break some big plays. The Giants' defense is not bad.
They're getting healthy. They're getting
Apple and Vernon back. Almost certainly
Vernon. I think it's kind of a low-scoring, ugly-ish game.
Yeah, probably. This is the Costanza
game. Cam Newton.
I don't know that matchup ever matters with Cam Newton.
No, you're going to start him either way.
However, the Giants have been bad against rushing quarterbacks.
Bortles, Dak, Watson all ran well.
I'm not telling anybody to bench Cam Newton.
I don't think there's huge upside there this week.
13 for you.
But the thing is with him, it's like there's always huge upside
and there's always huge downside it's just he's in my opinion one of the most difficult quarterbacks
to predict because he's so likely he's the most likely to get a one yard touchdown run
oh he's he's i have in 13th he'd be top five if i was ranking for four point for best touchdowns
yeah okay there you go so if you have Newton, you can start.
You're probably going to start him.
Christian McCaffrey, you're going to start.
And Funchess and Shepard are number two?
Number two in PPR.
Shepard is number two in none.
Beckham going to score this week?
Yes.
I'll say no.
Just to be different. I'll set the over-under at 2.5 for Beckham plus Julio touchdowns.
Now, here's the one I don't understand.
Panthers DST, second for Jamie, first for Dave, and 11th for Heath.
I like how DSTs have scored against the Giants.
Yeah, because Giants suck.
Right.
They can't score.
That's why I've got them so high.
11th.
And they're getting Thomas Davis back.
No. Nope. No, I thought they were. Nextth. And they're getting Thomas Davis back. No.
Nope.
No, I thought they were.
Next week.
Is it next week?
Four-game suspension.
Oh, not a four-game suspension.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't dislike the Panthers' defense.
I don't think they're great, though.
And it's hard for me to think Saquon Barkley's a top-five running back,
Odell Beckham's a top-five receiver, Sterling Shepard's must start,
and the Panthers' defense is the best this week.
Giants have allowed 13 and two games of 16 points to a DST
so far this season through four games.
And that's going to do it for the Friday edition
of the Fantasy Football Today podcast.
Thank you, guys.
Have a lovely weekend.
You do the same, Adam.
You going to come to the game or what?
I will make the attempt to.
Heath, you don't even know we talked smack about you.
Oh, I told him.
So I just want to catch everybody up on this.
So yesterday I go back to our office and I said,
Heath, what kind of car do you drive?
He goes, why do you ask?
And I said, well, we talked about it on the show.
We were trying to figure out what kind of a car do you drive.
So I told him, I guess that you drove a nice car like a Buick.
Keith thought you, or Keith.
Adam.
Adam.
You're Adam.
Adam thought that you drove a Hyundai.
And he goes, I'm not going to tell you.
You're just going to have to figure it out.
It's so weird that you don't know what car he drives.
Yeah.
How do you not know?
You've been working with him for for what, four years or three years
or however long?
I don't know.
They all blend together.
All right, Dave.
Take care.
We'll talk to you on Sunday.
This is your outro?
I don't think I want to do a big outro.
You don't want to do a big outro.
We just got done.
Do you want to do a big outro?
It was an incredible game
with lots of fantasy points
and you don't want to...
It was a great game.
I actually really enjoyed that game last night.
The Patriots took care of business. But you know what?
I give the Colts credit. Oh, your posture changed.
They hung in there.
They got a couple of lucky interceptions
and they turned that game. It was a game.
We were watching it intently in the fourth quarter
and that's all I could ask for. Your eyebrows are going crazy.
And I got big, bushy eyebrows and they are
freaking out right now. So excited
about the weekend ahead.
We've got a big college football game to watch on Saturday, first of all.
And then after that, it is Gridiron Sunday.
It is football from 1 p.m. to 11.30 p.m.
It's a podcast on Sunday night where we're just going to rap about football.
What the hell am I saying?
Oh, my God.
What were you about to say?
No, rap about football.
You stopped football after the act.
We are done.