Fantasy Football Today - 10/17 Fantasy Football Podcast: Waiver Wire

Episode Date: October 17, 2017

Get ready to add Tyrod Taylor, Darren McFadden, Dion Lewis, John Brown, Robert Woods and Austin Hooper among others! We start the show with our Top 3 at QB (2:30), RB (5:10), WR (8:15), TE (10:15), DS...T (13:40) and even some IDP talk (16:00) ... Recapping NYG-DEN (27:05) and TEN-IND (28:55). Can Marcus Mariota be a #1 QB if he doesn't run, and who is the best TEN RB going forward? ... Dropometer (35:40), then more Waiver Wire QBs (40:00) including C.J. Beathard; RBs (44:40) including Orleans Darkwa; WRs (52:25) including Marvin Jones; TEs (55:52) including Nick O'Leary ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! Let's hit the waiver wire. Let's go! Now here's some combination of Adam, David, Jamie, and me. Week 7 waiver wire.
Starting point is 00:00:20 Should we spell that W-E-E-K or W-E-A-K? Seven, Waverwire. What do you think? I thought you were going to say, do we spell it W-A-V-E-R for Waverwire? Because a lot of fantasy owners are waving their seasons goodbye. Oh, Aaron Rodgers. I had Aaron Rodgers and Odell Beckham on the same team. Oh, what's your record?
Starting point is 00:00:41 I'm one in five. Thank you very much. It's only going to get worse, buddy. You were one in five before that? I'm 1-5. Thank you very much. It's only going to get worse, buddy. You were 1-5 before that? I was 1-3 going in. It's the IDP league that we're in. Just had some tough luck. Ran into some huge lineups.
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Starting point is 00:01:28 I will not lie, did not see the game. So I was at the Yankees game. They win? I guess they won. They won. It was awesome. It was great. I didn't even know they were playing Houston.
Starting point is 00:01:40 They're playing Houston, believe it or not. Yeah, they were playing. I thought they were still playing Cleveland. So I was mocking somebody about the Yankees, and I said, just for that, go Indians. And they were like, you idiot. They already beat the Indians. They actually came back to destroy the Indians. Bird.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Didn't even know. You got them, Dave. Way to go. Only two teams on by this week. The best offense ever, Houston and Detroit. So some very good fantasy players are on by this week. I'm going to ask you for your top waiver wire priorities, but we're going to do it a little bit differently today.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Instead of asking you for your top three overall, I want your top three by position. I want to give some more names at the start of the show instead of making everybody wait 40 minutes before we get to the good stuff here. But we'll expand, I think, a little bit later on these guys, a little bit more on these guys later in the show. Jamie, who are the top three quarterbacks that you're looking at on the waiver wire this week? The first one is, I think, probably consensus is Tyrod Taylor. It sucks that he doesn't have even a good receiving core, but i don't know if it matters against tampa bay they've been so bad against opposing quarterbacks and i think between the
Starting point is 00:02:49 group of nickel leary brandon tate andre holmes zay jones and certainly with sean mccoy the backfield he will be able to get enough production there plus what he'll do with his legs he's been 21 fancy points in each of his two home games and again again, the Bucs think he would be one. C.J. Beathard would be two, which kind of shows you where the position's at. But I like the matchup for him against Dallas. They've been awful against quarterbacks of late. He looked okay in replace of Brian Hoyer last week. They're going home after the three straight road games.
Starting point is 00:03:20 So I like Beathard's situation. Plus, you could potentially get by with him long term, as we've seen Hoyer have some big games of late. And then the third guy is more of a season, rest-of-season approach, as opposed to a week seven approach. It's Andy Dalton just because he's 60% owned. And prior to their bye week, he was averaging 23 fantasy points a game since Bill Lazor took over.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Wow, I guess that settles it. I'm going to have to trade for a quarterback. To replace Aaron Rodgers. Wow, I guess that settles it. I'm going to have to trade for a quarterback to replace Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, it's not great. And the thing with Dalton, Jamie mentioned this on a previous podcast, he goes bad matchup, good matchup, bad matchup, good matchup, bad matchup, good matchup. It's like you
Starting point is 00:03:57 don't get a stretch where you're going to feel comfortable starting Dalton. Maybe you will. Maybe injuries change things. But this week at Pittsburgh, they give up the third fewest. Next week, Indianapolis, they give up the third most fantasy points to the quarterbacks. Then Jacksonville, they're the best against quarterbacks. Then the Titans, they actually give up
Starting point is 00:04:14 the third most. I'm sorry, Indianapolis gives up the fourth most. Then Denver, then Cleveland. You see how it goes. So for Jamie, it was Tyrod Taylor, CJ Beathard, and Andy Dalton. I also want to throw Andrew Luck's name in there. He's 78% owned and hopefully back in a few weeks. And you shot down this idea, Jamie, of Trevor Simeon off the air. I asked you what you thought about him.
Starting point is 00:04:35 He's 51% owned or something like that, and he's got the Chargers. So you'd rather have Beathard over Simeon? Yes. Dave? I don't want either one of them. No, nobody does. I guess I'll take the devil I don't know and Beathard than the one that I do with Simeon. Simeon without Emmanuel Sanders, by the way.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Yeah, without Emmanuel Sanders. That's right. Yeah, and Jordan Matthews. You know, you talk about Tyra Taylor. There's a chance Matthews plays this week, right? It doesn't sound like it, but he's getting closer. He was at practice catching passes one-handed. He still has not been able to catch with the injured thumb okay all right dave three running backs to prioritize this week darren mcfadden still
Starting point is 00:05:14 has to be number one he's still available in over 40 of cbs leagues and it i i think he's going to end up getting a meaningful role if not the the every down role, in place of Ezekiel Elliott. And I know that we don't know Zeke's situation and that he's definitely 100% going to be suspended. But I think it's starting to look that way. I think he's going to exhaust all these other ways in the courts, and I just don't think it's going to work out. So getting McFadden and then either flipping him for something that you need or keeping him, if you need an insurance policy for Ezekiel or any other running back, I think he's worth doing.
Starting point is 00:05:49 That's number one. I will say, just not to cut you off, but most people that are going to make their waiver claims are going to know Elliott's situation because it's going to be by 4 o'clock today. Hopefully. So you're going to know by the time you put in your claims tonight if McFadden is worth it. Because if Elliott plays this week, then it's not the same priority. Really? So if he plays this week but he could still be suspended,
Starting point is 00:06:09 you don't go and get McFadden? It's just not – like I'm not going to – right now I would spend 50% of my FAB dollars on McFadden if I'm going to get him for six games. If Elliott's playing this week, that goes to 20% at most. But he could still play six games. It just might not start this week. And it may not start this week it may and it may not start ever so that's the thing i think you got to gauge is how much do you willing to buy in
Starting point is 00:06:29 on i hear you uh a situation that we just don't know i think it's fair to say that as of now mcfadden is number one orleans dark was number two for me i think he's still number one but it could change yeah it's just it's just the uh the emphasis on it orleans dark one number two you gotta like the workload that he had against Denver. And I actually thought that Giants offensive line looked pretty good blocking for him. Whatever. You don't like it? No, I...
Starting point is 00:06:53 Bitter Giants fan, your team got a win, and this is how you react? I couldn't believe anything that happened in that game. It was a ridiculous game. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that it's never going to happen again, and I think that Darkwood is going to get the big opportunity. Alex Collins is third. He's a little bit more of a long-term guy.
Starting point is 00:07:09 I think the Ravens are eventually going to realize that Javoris Allen is Javoris Allen. He can do a lot of good things. Collins can do some great things, and he'll eventually be their running back. Yeah, now we're just kind of talking about players who are owned in 65% of leagues or less on CBS Sports, but you also have Derek Henry, who's 80% owned. He was started in only 9% of leagues last night, had a massive game.
Starting point is 00:07:34 You had Rob Kelly. He had a massive run. Yeah, but he got a little more work. A little more work. You have Rob Kelly, who's 69% owned. You've got Alfred Morris, who's 72% owned, although we're going to prioritize McFadden over him. So Dave gave you McFadden, Darkwa, and Alex Collins.
Starting point is 00:07:51 There's a lot. So I'm looking forward to talking more about this position. But there's also Dion Lewis and Matt Forte and probably not Chris Ivory, but it's not the worst idea in the world. And Wendell Smallwood's 54% owned. I didn't forget Thomas Rawls. Oh, yes, I forgot
Starting point is 00:08:08 Thomas Rawls. Thomas Rawls should be the second guy added this week. Okay, Rawls we'll get to later. And wide receivers, Jamie, give me three. I mean, the first one is John Brown. It's a very similar list to what we had last week. It's not exactly the best group of guys right now. But it depends kind of what you need,
Starting point is 00:08:24 I think. Because if you're going for immediate need, John Brown and Nelson Aguilar should be the first two guys you're looking at. Brown's clearly been more involved the last three weeks and scored each of the last two games. Aguilar's got a pretty good track record right now of the games where he's been seven or more targets he's been successful in. And then if you just need for this week, the third guy I would say marquise lee he's been you know i know hearns has scored the touchdowns since robinson's gone down he's only scored twice lee has been the more targeted
Starting point is 00:08:51 guy he's been the more involved guy and certainly should be the uh is the number one receiver for the jaguars but if you're looking long term uh the three i would say would be marvin jones because of the goal and tate injury yep uh mike william Jones because of the goal-and-taint injury. Mike Williams because of the increased workload. At least that would be the hope. And Josh Doxson because it's very evident that the other two guys are just not getting the job done. And I think you see what Doxson is capable of, especially that he's the one getting red zone targets. So if they start to throw the ball a little bit more in the field and get him more involved, which is what Jay Gruden said yesterday,
Starting point is 00:09:26 then I think you could see him really start to take off. He's kind of like the Alex Collins at wide receiver. He's the guy you get and you just sit on and you wait. Yeah, and so you mentioned short-term would be John Brown, Nelson Aguilar, Marquise Lee, right? Yep. Long-term would be Marvin Jones, Mike Williams, Josh Doxon. Yeah, and flip those two, Doxon over Williams. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Yeah, also Ted Ginn's interesting this week. He's got Green Bay, which we'll see the injury reports. But as of now, they're down four defensive backs. Love Willie Sneed this week. Willie Sneed. Okay, all right. Slot receivers have destroyed the Packers. Slot receivers have also destroyed the Colts.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Yeah, and that would be Marquise Lee's matchup. And the Bucs. And the Bucs. And we'd love to get Jordan Matthews back for this game. What are you talking about? They have great slot receivers. Which would be who? I don't know. Nick O'Leary? Might be Tate. Yeah. Tate's my favorite Bills shoe this week. But keep an eye
Starting point is 00:10:20 on Nick O'Leary, the tight end there. He's a sleeper. Love Nick O'Leary. So Dave, give me some tight ends for this week. Yeah, Nick O'Leary, the tight end there. He's a sleeper. Love Nick O'Leary. So, Dave, give me some tight ends for this week. Yeah, Nick O'Leary won't make this list, but he's still somebody that I think you can use as a streamer if you're desperate. Austin Hooper. Hooper. Is my number one tight end.
Starting point is 00:10:34 And I noticed that at Falcons games when he makes the catch, the crowd goes, Ooh. Oh, they should be doing the Hooper thing. What, the Hooper? Hooper. It's so much better. Yeah. He didn't do that. He's caught 12 of his 16 targets over the Hooper thing. What, the Hoopa? Hoopa! It's so much better. Yeah, he didn't do that.
Starting point is 00:10:48 He's caught 12 of his 16 targets over the last two games. He's got the Patriots. I think this is a big-time get-right spot for all the Falcons who have been disappointing you in fantasy through the first six weeks of the season. I've got Tyler Croft next. I don't love it, but it's just how it is at tight end at this point.
Starting point is 00:11:03 I like that he's caught 10 of his last 12 targets. He just had his bye week. We know Tyler Eifert's not coming back. Andy Dalton seems to like him. He had a two-touchdown game a couple weeks ago. He's somebody you can land on this week and consider kind of on a week-to-week thing. He's not my favorite streaming tight end. Hooper would be better, but Hooper's already owned in like 60-some-odd percent of leagues.
Starting point is 00:11:23 Croft is out there in a ton of leagues. Zach Miller in Chicago is third. He caught a touchdown. It wasn't from Mitchell Trubisky. He only had two targets from Trubisky, but I think he's going to have a decent matchup against Carolina, and I think that's a game where they're going to have to throw more than they did last week against Baltimore. The Bears ran it over 50 times.
Starting point is 00:11:41 Ridiculous. They're going to have to throw it a lot more this week, and Zach Miller should see his targets go up. Yeah, the Bears and the Giants understandably took a very different approach than what we had seen on offense. Maybe just going to try to become like a running back by committee teams
Starting point is 00:11:57 and just pound the ball, which is interesting. If they run it 50 times, then I don't mind the committee. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You went Hooper, Croft, which is interesting. Right. Well, if they run it 50 times, then I don't mind the committee. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So you went Hooper, Croft, and Miller. That's how I have it now.
Starting point is 00:12:14 I might get talked into Miller over Croft. I love Nick O'Leary this week. Not as much as Hooper. It's a good matchup. Not going to lie. He's my second favorite one behind Hooper. After those two, I don't think it's a lot of great players. Would you stick with him? As long as he plays out, yes.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Really? As long as he plays out. All right. That offense has kind of showed itself, what it is with those receivers. And you might be able to get Austin Safarian Jenkins. He's 75% owned. Evan Ingram is 78% owned. Jason Witten, 75%.
Starting point is 00:12:42 Hunter Henry, 81%. So hopefully you can. And now would be a good time to trade for Jimmy Graham. Get the batch up. Oh, yeah. Let's get the good batch up this week with the Giants. Is that scary off Evan Ingram if he's out there? Would you go Hooper or Ingram?
Starting point is 00:12:59 Ingram with the Seahawks and Hooper with the Patriots. I mean, look, Ingram is going to just see so many targets. He's like their number one receiver. Hooper is – I think I have him back-to-back in my rankings. They're very close. Hooper just doesn't score. Yeah. Yeah, I've got Ingram one spot higher.
Starting point is 00:13:19 Yeah. Now, do we expect Mohamed Sanu to play this week? Because that could actually hurt Hooper. That's the biggest thing because that's when Hooper's taken off, is when Sanu's been out. So that's one thing that I would say. You still should take a chance on him because the Patriots are so bad against tight ends, but his ceiling gets lowered significantly if Sanu plays.
Starting point is 00:13:37 The Patriots have allowed a touchdown to a tight end in five of six games. Jamie, how about some DSTs for the week? It's not the best week for streaming DSTs, but who could we look at? I completely disagree with you. I think it's a great week for streaming DSTs. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. You have the Bills against potentially Ryan Fitzpatrick, and they've played very well throughout the
Starting point is 00:13:56 course of the season, certainly have played well at home. And I know I seem to mention this a lot, but John Beeson mentioned this about Sean McDermott when they faced Carolina a couple weeks ago and then they faced Atlanta. That McDermott knows the guys in that division
Starting point is 00:14:11 very well. He's probably going to know Jameis' tendencies if he plays and certainly probably Dirk Cutter's tendencies as a coordinator. I think the Bills are very good. You have to buy into the Saints defense and how they played against Brent Hundley, even though they're on the road.
Starting point is 00:14:29 They're available in 96% of leagues, so go get them. They're a top 10 DST this week. Totally agree. The Giants, I mean, we've seen Russell Wilson struggle at times, certainly on the road. You've got to buy into the way that they looked last week as well. You do? Defensively?
Starting point is 00:14:42 Yeah. You don't? No. The pass't? No. The pass rush turned around. Yeah, so Denver's right tackle is awful, and Joey Bosa could have a huge game this week. And Jason Pierre-Paul had three sacks. They should have given him more help at right tackle.
Starting point is 00:14:57 I don't know, man. Giants were the worst team in football, maybe the second worst team in football before Sunday night. I'm not sure how much has changed, but that's fine. I mean, look, the Bills are a good enough defense where they shouldn't even be considered a streamer at this point. They're 36% old. Well, they're on a buy, so everybody dropped them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:13 But I think you look at the Dolphins. Their defense has been very good. Yeah. 14% on. The Jets. I mean, look, you want to say buy into the team. It's not like the Dolphins' offense was fantastic against the Falcons, and they barely scored against the Jets the first time these two teams met.
Starting point is 00:15:26 And then the Titans get the Browns. Yeah, good case. There are a lot of streaming defenses this week. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I guess some of the names of the defenses, like you have to trust the Saints. You have to trust the Titans. You have to trust the Jets. You might have to trust the Jets.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Well, you should trust the Saints. They gave you your bonanza. 13 sacks and seven interceptions in their last three games. How about that? Pretty good. Yeah, not bad at all for the New Orleans Saints. They did give me the bonanza. It is officially a bonanza, by the way.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Yeah, where do I go and buy these dumb jelly beans? I don't know. I think we might have to do it online. I'm not sure. Let's go to IDP. Dave, you got some IDP guys for our our idp listeners i do let's start with that saints defense craig robertson at linebacker got the start last week had a huge game marshall latimore's been playing outstanding and he's falling into some good fantasy production
Starting point is 00:16:16 so i think he's someone that fancy owner should go with adrian amos the defensive back with the bears has been putting up points each of his last three games. I think fantasy owners can buy into him. And Janoris Jenkins somehow is 4% owned in CBS Sports Leagues, and he is a good cornerback. He had obviously the pick six helped out his numbers last week, but he's put up some decent numbers along the way. I don't know if there's much of a strategy for IDP, but we play in an IDP league where you start nine or ten defensive players, so a lot of guys, 12-team league. I sort of use defensive backs. I think they're kind of interchangeable.
Starting point is 00:16:53 I usually target the guys who go against interception-prone quarterbacks. Is that something you guys do? Sure, but I also like being around. I like getting players that have some sort of consistency. I only look at safeties. For defensive backs? Yeah. I think you're missing the boat. I think there's some cornerbacks that are good too, and it's not necessarily the best cornerbacks.
Starting point is 00:17:14 It's so fluky. Oh, you want the bad cornerbacks because they're the ones. But Genovese, I guess to me, is not a good IDP player because you're relying on him to get targets, which doesn't typically happen. Right. You want the tackles. You want to avoid the shutdown guys for sure. So people go to Jalen Ramsey and they go to Patrick Peterson because of their names, but they never do anything.
Starting point is 00:17:32 Janoris Jenkins, last four games, this is in an IDP league. Well, forget that because that was a huge number. It's 19. But before that, it was 7, 9, 5.5. And then you take away the pick six, and then he had 11. That's good. For the interception, then he had 11. That's good. For the interception, 6 for the touchdown. That's rare.
Starting point is 00:17:47 It is rare, but at least he's giving a 7 or more, 3 of his last 4. I'll take that. That's in a league where tackles count. I'd rather get a box safety where you're going to get those tackles because those are the things they're going to carry. Okay. All right, keep an eye on that. Tackles are more predictable.
Starting point is 00:18:02 So, yeah, that would be an early look at the waiver wire. We'll go a little bit more in depth later on in the show. Here's an email of the day from Michael from an island in the Pacific. It must be Fiji. Beautiful. Does the signing of Adrian Peterson put David Johnson's return in question? What does AP signing do to David Johnson's keeper status? It's keeper status.
Starting point is 00:18:28 It does absolutely nothing for. And if anything, Adrian Peterson, if he keeps playing like this, then he's going to keep the Cardinals afloat. And it might interest them in bringing back David Johnson. Oh, they're bringing back David Johnson. Yeah, dude. If they're three and nine, they're not going to bring him back. But right now, they're in the thick of
Starting point is 00:18:46 things. And their offense looked a lot better with Adrian Peterson chugging away. Sure. And there's always the chance that AP doesn't make it to the time when David Johnson comes back. It's almost like pass the baton, because Johnson will be back, and AP will be probably
Starting point is 00:19:01 struggling at that point. Now, he was great. He was ridiculous. Hopefully, he stays at this level. Now, he was great. He was ridiculous. Hopefully he stays at this level. It's hard to sustain. He's got a great matchup this week. So hopefully he does it another week. And Twitter poll. Yeah, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:19:17 It's over. 5,382 votes. Despite Jamie's intentions to rig the election here. Hashtag Russia. Despite Jamie's intentions to rig the election here, hashtag Russia, Jamie is trying to get everybody to vote no on the was Detroit, New Orleans a successful bonanza. But yes, 56% of the votes were yes, 44% no. You did well. I don't know where we went from, though. Were you saying that we were going to just kind of call this a tie, I think?
Starting point is 00:19:56 I said I'd be willing to maybe call it a draw, but definitely not a loss. There were so many players that did terrible in the game, though. There really weren't so many. There were a bunch. Abdullah, Riddick. There were a lot of players in the game. Michael Thomas had three catches for 11 yards. I think if you're going to go Breeze, Thomas, and Abdullah, those were the three guys that were started,
Starting point is 00:20:12 I think close to 70% of leagues or more. Abdullah, I'd have to check on. Yeah, they weren't great. Those guys were not great. But the score suggests that he got it right. So I think, look, if we're going to be technical, we lost. So if you want to hold your hat on that, that's fine. I do.
Starting point is 00:20:30 But just know that when we have a questionable situation moving forward, we will go the other way. I'm not sure. So somebody gave us a suggestion to calculate the bonanza. Did you see this email? No. He assigned points to, like, if you get the number one wide receiver, you get five points.
Starting point is 00:20:53 If you get a wide receiver in the top 12, you get two points. Wide receiver in the top 24, you get one point. And you have to get a total of ten points for the Bonanza. It's pretty interesting. This was Matt McHugh. We can talk about this on another show. But I'll forward you guys the email, the scoring system. I feel like the Bonanza is one of those things
Starting point is 00:21:10 where you know what it is when you see it. That's how I felt, too. It's like obscenity when you see it. Alright. I felt like it was successful. So you guys got to get those Bean Boozles. I think Thursday's got to be the day, hopefully.
Starting point is 00:21:25 If you can't get it by Thursday, I want all of you on the show. If you can't get it by Thursday, we'll have to hold it off until next week. But I want you guys eating boogers before the end of the week. Injuries, news, and notes. So we could have more Ezekiel Elliott news this afternoon. The NFLPA has filed a request for a temporary restraining order to delay his six-game suspension. But like we said, McFadden, Alfred Morris, they are priorities. The next six games are at San Francisco, at Washington, Kansas City,
Starting point is 00:21:53 at Atlanta, Philadelphia, and the Chargers. Aaron Rodgers had surgery. There's no timetable for his return, but you can definitely drop Aaron Rodgers, and you can try to do it without crying. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. Aaron Jones played more than twice as many snaps as Ty Montgomery. Do you think that's something that would balance out
Starting point is 00:22:12 as Montgomery's further removed from the injury? Yes. Okay. Especially this week where they're probably chasing points. And pass-catching running backs have done much better against the Saints. Leonard Fournette has a sprained ankle but is expected to play this week, but it's not a guarantee. They're at Indianapolis.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Martavis Bryant denied requesting a trade. What do you think Martavis Bryant's ownership percentage should be? Low 80s. Okay. I was going to say mid-70s, like 75%. But his start percentage shouldn't be any higher than like 5%. I would love that weather, by the way. Low 80s, mid-70s.
Starting point is 00:22:54 It's winter up here. That's the frigging 30s today. You need a jacket, little man? I do. I do. You look cool. Golden Tate could miss a few weeks with a shoulder injury. They're on a bye this week.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Then they have Pittsburgh, then at Green Bay, then Cleveland, then at Chicago. After the Pittsburgh game, it's pretty nice matchups for the Lions, so that's why Marvin Jones is a great guy to add. Atlanta head coach Dan Quinn said Julio Jones needs more targets. I agree, Dan Quinn. Jameis Winston sprained his AC joint in his shoulder. Right now he is expected to play at Buffalo. Emmanuel Sanders left with an ankle injury.
Starting point is 00:23:27 He won't play this week. He's week to week. Trevor Stimian is expected to start at the Chargers. Tyreek Hill's in the concussion protocol. They've got the short week. They're at Oakland on Thursday. I don't think he's in the concussion protocol. He's not in the concussion protocol.
Starting point is 00:23:40 He actually was at practice on whatever their walkthrough was yesterday. Monday. Really? He has a neck injury. Okay. Interesting. Uh- It was a neck injury. Okay. Interesting. Uh-huh. CJ Beathard.
Starting point is 00:23:49 We've got Tyree Kill this week. Now the starting quarterback for San Francisco. Yeah, Tyree Kill. Are you going to start Tyree Kill this week? I might not have a choice. He's number two. Would you start like Ted Ginn or Tyree Kill? Kill.
Starting point is 00:24:03 Kill. Don't start Jordan Matthews? Well, maybe start him if he plays, but don't expect it. Dustin Hopkins is out this week with a hip injury. Washington's kicker. Patrick Peterson. Not out yet. I just read that this morning.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I don't think he's expected to play. That is true. All right, Patrick Peterson left with a quad injury. He's expected. He's expected to play? Okay. Defensive tackle Xavier Peterson left with a quad injury. He's expected. He's expected to play, okay. Defensive tackle Xavier Williams left with a knee injury for Arizona. The Raiders signed Navarro Bowman. How interested are you in Bowman if he's available at IDP?
Starting point is 00:24:35 Very. Okay. Kyle Shanahan denied the Carlos Hyde trade rumors. Teddy Bridgewater is going to come off the pup list soon. Last time a coach admitted to trade rumors. Yeah, we've been trying to move him. Can't get any nibbles. Kansas City signs CJ Spiller. It's because
Starting point is 00:24:51 Sharkandrick West is dealing with a concussion and probably won't play. And tell me if you expect the following players this week. Bilal Powell. No. Terrence West. No. Orleans Dark was on the injury report. Yeah, I hope he plays.
Starting point is 00:25:08 Rob Kelly. He's getting close. No, he's not expected. Wendell Smallwood. Same thing. Stefan Diggs. Not expected to play. Devontae Parker.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Not yet. With Diggs and Parker, we've got to see just how much they practice this week. All right. Kenny Stills caught a touchdown last week for the Dolphins. Jeremy Macklin. No. No. Muhammad Sanu. Not as of now. Sterling Shepard.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Also not as of now. All right, guys. You know, we really need to talk more about MVMT, about movement watches. Beautiful stuff. We've got our movement watches. It's spelled MVMT watches.
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Starting point is 00:27:02 Join the movement. Thoughts on Sunday night, Giants-Broncos. Thoughts on Monday night, Titans-Colts. And then on to the drop-o-meter and the waiver wire. What did you think about the Giants beating the Broncos 23-10? I think it was a great defensive performance by the Giants. And it was boring, boring, boring, and more boring. It was frustrating for the Broncos' running back situation.
Starting point is 00:27:28 Terrible. Because you would have thought the way that the Giants have defended the run since Olivier Vernon's been banged up, that Anderson would have had a big day, and he did not. He couldn't really get going, and he didn't get much of a chance to get going because he only had nine carries. No, this would be a big bounce back game for him, though. Yeah, C.J. Anderson had eight carries at Buffalo in week
Starting point is 00:27:45 three, and then he had 20 the next week. So yes, let's get him a big workload against one of the worst run defenses. Great game for Demarius Thomas. I actually thought Jenkins covered him fairly well, and Thomas made some really good plays. Ten catches for 133 yards
Starting point is 00:28:01 and a fumble on 14 targets. And then, yeah. He is banged up, but he played 14 targets. And then, yeah. He banged up. He is banged up, but he played through it. And then, of course, it wasn't A.J. Derby. It was Jeff Hireman, but a tight end did catch a touchdown. They were both standing in the end zone next to each other. Right, and Derby was targeted earlier in the drive in the end zone.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Benny Fowler, who was my big sneaky sleeper, had a couple of targets near and in the end zone. He played a ton. I would imagine he's going to keep playing now that Sanders is out too. I'm going to save the Darkwood talk until we get to the running backs, but I do think he's pretty interesting. He's only 9% owned. They have Seattle this week, and then they have a bye, and then the Rams.
Starting point is 00:28:40 So, look, I thought that this was a brutal matchup for the Giants running backs. We all did, and he ran for 117 yards on 21 carries. They stuffed four Pro Bowl running backs prior to this, and then they couldn't stop Orleans-Darkwood. Ezekiel Elliott had less than 10 yards. I don't know what happened. The Broncos just took it for granted or something. It was a bad game for them. This game, though, Tennessee 36,
Starting point is 00:29:00 Indianapolis 22, was an exciting finish. Following along, and I DVR'd it, so actually I'm probably going to watch the fourth quarter. You're going to save yourself some time. Well, the fourth quarter was good, no? It was all right. All right. So Brissette had 15 fantasy points, but Mariota is really much more relevant here.
Starting point is 00:29:19 What do you think about Mariota? 16 fantasy points, but not leaving the pocket, not running. Running is not a huge part of his game in terms of rushing yards and touchdowns. He's had, I think, four rushing touchdowns over the last two years. He averages about 22 rushing yards per game over the last two years. But obviously his mobility is important for him. So can Marcus Mariota survive and be a number one quarterback in fantasy if he's playing hurt?
Starting point is 00:29:48 I think at this point you're just taking it week to week and he's absolutely going to be a number one quarterback this week. Or has the potential to. He's playing at Cleveland. If he's not, then something's gone wrong. I think at this point you just kind of have to hope that he's healthy. Hope that
Starting point is 00:30:03 he doesn't have a setback with the hamstring problem. And if you do want to be encouraged by it, that when he does get healthy, the running will start to creep up again, that he just threw for 300 yards in the game where he came back from a hamstring injury. He had season highs and completion percentage, and that was the only season high. He almost had a season high in yards per attempt. He fell four one-hundredths of a yard
Starting point is 00:30:28 shy of that. And the other part of it would be is that hopefully Corey Davis is back soon. You know what that guy could potentially be when he's on the field. I think you're just looking at somebody that if you're the Rodgers owner and Mariota was probably on a lot of people's benches, if you
Starting point is 00:30:44 could buy him low, buy him low. That's one guy to go on and buy low. Here's my favorite Mariota stat. He's been sacked three times this year. Wow. Yeah, I mean, he missed a game and a half, but still, that's really impressive. So at Cleveland, which should be great for him, and then a bye, and then hopefully after that bye, he's healthy.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Unfortunately, the schedule gets kind of tough after the bye. But he's a good quarterback, Mariota. What do you guys make of the Titans running backs right now? Murray and Henry both getting similar workloads, both scoring. Henry does have the better game. Actually, he had seven more carries than Murray. They got similar snap counts.
Starting point is 00:31:19 What do you think? They're making a big deal about his... He kept getting stretched on the sideline. He may have been playing through some sort of hamstring injury. So that's something you definitely want to keep an eye on. Which guy? Murray. Murray, okay.
Starting point is 00:31:32 But like Dave said, you don't want to buy into Henry's big run at the end there. What you would buy into with Henry is the workload. So a lot of people have been dropping Henry, certainly in 10-team leagues, which is why you see his ownership down to 80% because he was a 100% guy clearly coming out of the draft. And if, in fact, there is a time you want to use him, this is one of those weeks. I don't think he's a must-start guy because he's still going to be sharing touches with Murray,
Starting point is 00:31:55 and we've fallen into this trap before when we've seen backup running backs not produce, even in games where you think they're going to blow the other team out. But if you are stuck, this could be one of those scenarios just because Clevelandveland's not very good i know they've been been okay against the run but uh this is an offensive line that will wear them down and if the titans offense does what it's capable of doing and the defense does what's capable of doing in the fourth quarter you could see a similar type situation with henry where
Starting point is 00:32:17 he's you know trying to salt the game away and then he busts one through and scores yeah it's here's what i'm looking at is two weeks ago against Miami, DeMarco Murray had 55 snaps. Derrick Henry had 11. Yesterday against Indianapolis, they both had 39 snaps. That's according to Pro Football Focus. But this is what they said coming into the week, though, was that they were going to start to use them more. They're following through.
Starting point is 00:32:38 It's nice when a coaching staff doesn't lie. Yeah, I mean, we have mixed results with that kind of stuff. Marlon Mack didn't get more work. You know, when you have two carries. Yeah, but that also I think could be game flow, is that they don't trust him in pass protection yet. And he's had a lot of, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:56 you talk about this a lot, Adam, I don't know with Marlon Mack if you've said it, but when guys are trying to hit the home run, he does a lot of that. Oh, that's the Tariq Cohen playbook. But I think they had plenty of opportunities. And this was a close game. They had plenty of opportunities to give Marlon Mack more work, and they said they were going to, and they didn't.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Two damn carries. And you just can't trust it. Do we know if he got hurt? Same thing with Matt Breida. Turbin got hurt. So if you want to look at something with Mack moving forward, that could be something. Turbin hurt his elbow. Okay, so the tight... You'd rather have Murray rest of season than Henry, I assume? It's close, but yes.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Yeah. I mean, look, if I have both, I'm still starting Murray this week. And I think Murray's still a number two running back. Because what he does in the past game, don't overlook that. He had four catches, 47 yards. He had a ton of targets in the game. And with how Mariota's operating right now, he's not escaping. So what is he going to do?
Starting point is 00:33:46 He's going to check down. And so that's going to be where you see it worked in Eric Decker's favor. It certainly worked in Murray's favor. Yeah, that was nice. Six catches in Murray's first four games, but now two straight games with four catches. So eight in the last two. That separates him a little bit from Henry. Carlos Hyde or DeMarco Murray, rest of season?
Starting point is 00:34:05 Hyde. I would go with Hyde or DeMarco Murray, rest of season? Hyde. I would go with Hyde. C.J. Anderson or DeMarco Murray? Anderson. Anderson. Okay. DeMarco Murray or FanDuel? FanDuel.
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Starting point is 00:35:48 But it is time for the drop-o-meter. Okay, Sammy Watkins, 0-10. Oh, God, like 7. I want to, and I know I said that Peterson is expected to play. If Peterson is out, and I originally had him, you know, I sent you notes. I had Watkins in there. But if he's out and they're rolling out, they're talking about benching Justin Bethel, which is the smart thing to do.
Starting point is 00:36:12 But if they have to play him, then wherever that guy lines up, Jared Goff has to attack. Has to. Oh, good. So that means a big week for Sammy. He's going to get like 50 yards. Or he could have the 100-yard touchdown game that he had last year. Don't be ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:36:27 I think you just want to hold him through the end of the week to see what happens. If you want to drop somebody on Saturday, he could be somebody you drop. But hold him for now. So I'll say three right now, 10 by Saturday if Peterson plays. I would say he's not a must-drop. If you need the roster spot, though, he's probably one of the first guys you go to. Oh, if you told me Peterson was healthy, he's dropped now. No question.
Starting point is 00:36:50 I'm just going to say, is Robert Woods better than Sammy Watkins? He is this week. Yeah, we haven't mentioned Robert Woods. If Peterson plays. Yeah. Even if Peterson doesn't. Woods leads the team in targets. Watkins is tied for fourth.
Starting point is 00:37:02 You take the six or seven points compared to the zero. Right. I'm not sure Woods is going to score a touchdown. He hasn't done that yet. But, yeah, like I said, leads the team in every – They have the same amount of 100-yard games, and it happened in the same game. He leads the team in every receiving category except for catches. He's one behind Todd Gurley.
Starting point is 00:37:18 But Robert Woods is their leading receiver. It's surprising. Okay, same team. Cooper Cup in a 10-team league. How droppable is Cooper Cup? Is it PPR or non-PPR? Because I think he's still got value in PPR. So I'll say 5 in PPR and 8 in non-PPR.
Starting point is 00:37:37 I'll say 7 in both. And that's tailored to a 10-team league or that's for everything? Any league. 14-team league, you're going to keep him, but he's cuttable. Andre Ellington? Zero. Oh, I might cut him in a non-PPR league now. I'm like an 8 in a non-PPR and a 2 in a PPR for now.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Corey Davis? I mean, look, there's a report of him coming back soon. So at this point, if you've been holding him, you hold him. He could be back week nine when they come out of the bye against Baltimore. That's two more weeks, though. Yeah. You know, I think that's it's in the same conversation as Sammy Watkins. How badly do you need the roster spot?
Starting point is 00:38:22 That's Corey Davis. And I'll tell you what, if I'm if I've got a nice winning record and I've got good receivers, I'm dumping Sammy Watkins in a heartbeat for Corey Davis. Okay. From Michael Foster, I dropped Terrell Pryor for a rotten egg bean boozle. Yeah, Pryor's getting close. All right, what is Pryor? If Watkins is like a seven, what's Pryor?
Starting point is 00:38:44 A 7. Yeah. I can't argue against it anymore. Cousins has just been doing a great job of using all of his guys. And Chris Thompson's been the best one. And Jordan Reed stinks. Crowder stinks. Pryor stinks.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Doxton's got promise, but he's just not consistent. So it's tough. Okay, how about Gilly Boy and Beast Mode in PPR? A lot of nicknames. I would say both are no. Gilleslie is like a six, and Marshawn is like a four.
Starting point is 00:39:21 I mean, you still need to start running backs. They might not be the most ideal guys Yeah I would say Not cutting them Gilosey in a 10 team league you'd cut Certainly PPR Blah Powell
Starting point is 00:39:35 I wouldn't cut him Zero He's a 3 or 4 I mean again you know Who knows when he's going to play again Calf injuries, soft tissues, they tend to linger. And, look, before Forte went down, he was terrible. Yeah, he hadn't done much.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Yeah, no, I'm going to say seven. Yeah, all right. I dropped him last week. No, don't worry about getting him. Not getting him. He might. It's a deep league. Okay, on the waiver wire, let's go to quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:40:07 So you're going to be without Rodgers, probably not Winston, but maybe Winston, maybe Simeon. Both those guys look like they're going to play. As I mentioned, Andrew Luck is 78% owned, so he could be available. Not a bad time to get him. Tyrod Taylor is the head of the class for sure. And C.J. Beathard, Jamie has number two. Andy Dalton more long-term than this week
Starting point is 00:40:29 because Pittsburgh's been very good against quarterbacks. And look, they hadn't played anybody. And the best guy they've faced is Alex Smith. But still, we think they have a good defense. So it's Taylor, it's Beathard against Dallas. It's Andy Dalton. It's Jared Goff. Jared Goff is facing Arizona.
Starting point is 00:40:48 They do allow the fifth most fantasy points to quarterbacks. Kind of interesting. And maybe we need to pay more attention to this, because especially if Peterson's banged up. Should Goff be a little higher, Jamie? What do you think? If Peterson's banged up, then yes. But, again, he's expected to play.
Starting point is 00:41:02 So I know I'm kind of talking out of both sides of my mouth with this because not drop Watkins because he's expected to play, but hold on to Watkins because he may be out. But he still has a chance that he may not play. But in terms of golf, look, when he's had favorable matchups, the Dallas game being the last one, 22 fantasy points. He had the 28-point game the week before that against San Francisco, favorable matchup. But we've also seen him lean on their run game when they've had the chance to.
Starting point is 00:41:26 And Arizona's run defense has been good more times than not. But this is still, I think what the Rams want to be, which is run the ball, throw when they have to. And golf is still more of a number two quarterback. I would start better this week over golf, but they're very close.
Starting point is 00:41:40 He hasn't had a completion percentage higher than 58% in his last three games, which is crazy because he started the season with two games over 70%. Yeah. So I'm not sure what's really changing there. Well, let me just say this. He's not doing great. More of the everyday average Joe fantasy player. I can't – average Joe fantasy player is going to have a tough time starting C.J. Beathard. If I see a guy who's at least done something, Jared Goff, if anybody drops Roethlisberger, I'd be on that over C.J. Beathard. Oh, I agree with that, but I think at some point, look, and we fell victim to this, I think as a group with Kevin Hogan,
Starting point is 00:42:28 buying into garbage time production and potential good matchup. And the thing I think with Beathard is twofold. One, you've seen Brian Hoyer put up some good stats, so there could be some potential long-term appeal here because of what Kyle Shanahan has done. And the other part of it is Dallas is not very good defensively they've they're getting healthier they're getting better you could buy into that uh but i i think you're just talking about a guy that's none of these guys are outside of taylor are number one quarterbacks like taylor i think you could consider number one guy because of the circumstances but otherwise they're all number two dart throws none of them are these are these are Rodgers replacements in a two-quarterback league.
Starting point is 00:43:06 Like Dave said, they're not finding somebody off waivers that's going to help you replace Aaron Rodgers. Again, maybe Tyrod because of who he's facing this week and then what the schedule is moving forward. Yeah, Tyrod. And last year Tyrod Taylor threw 17 touchdown passes and 12 of them came at home, and we've already outlined that he's been good in two home games this year. And three of his next four are at home. Okay, interesting. So Tampa Bay, Oakland, then at the Jets, then New Orleans.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Actually, it's not bad for Tyrod Taylor. I guess, I'm sorry, I don't mean to belabor this, but I would be of the mind to start Trevor Simeon over Beathard because I feel like I can get 15 points from Simeon and I might get three from Beathard. Really, what has Simeon done since the second week of the season? He'll give me 15 points. simeon and i might get three from bethard i'm worried that really what has simeon done since the second week he's just he'll give me 15 points i'm not expecting much
Starting point is 00:43:49 i just i'm i'm very concerned that bethard is just awful i think if you're forced to start one of those guys and pretty much any quarterback that we've named you're not trying hard enough to make a trade yeah and there's only two quarterbacks on by. So let's hope you're starting the guy you drafted and you don't have Aaron Rodgers. That would be bad. I guess I'm kind of intrigued by Brett Hundley. He sure does have good weapons. Yeah, and if Ty Montgomery catches that touchdown, which he should have, it's not as ugly a stat line as it came away with.
Starting point is 00:44:20 I think he's a good game manager. Aaron Rodgers is amazing, and then you've got your great quarterbacks, and then you've got good quarterbacks. I think Hundley will be close to good, and I think a good week for him could be 18 fantasy points. Maybe Josh McCown gets you 15, 16 fantasy points, doesn't kill you this week at the Dolphins? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Yeah. I mean, look, he was 15 the last time that they faced each other, and he scored 17 or more, I think, in three of his last four. Well, I think we should focus more on the running backs. This is a really interesting group. So, okay, McFadden, yeah, absolutely. Now, Rob Kelly, he's out there in 31% of leagues. Would you rather pick up Rob Kelly or Darren McFadden?
Starting point is 00:45:06 I think McFadden's got a little more Sizzle to him now Again And I think you can trade him now to help your team If 4 o'clock comes and Ezekiel Elliott is not suspended I'm picking up Rob Kelly As of we're talking right now I'm picking up Darren McFadden
Starting point is 00:45:19 Gotcha What about Rob Kelly or Alfred Morris? Kelly It's the same thing Okay So other guys to consider Thomas Rawls Gotcha. What about Rob Kelly or Alfred Morris? Kelly. It's the same thing. Okay. So other guys to consider, Thomas Rawls and or Eddie Lacy. They faced the Giants this week, who up until the Denver game did not do well against running backs. Rawls is 56% owned. Lacy is 34% owned.
Starting point is 00:45:44 Arlen's Darkwa is 9% owned. I guess we don't really need Wayne Gallman at this point. No. He can stash him in deeper leagues. Alex Collins, 15 carries for 74 yards after 12 carries for 55. He's not catching any passes, but he's getting more and more work.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Collins is averaging 6.4 yards per carry, and in that, he's actually faced some pretty good run defenses. He does better when the matchup's worse. And the matchup's pretty awful this week. Am I wrong? They're Minnesota this week? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:14 Minnesota gives up the second fewest points. Then the Dolphins give up the seventh fewest. This game sets up as more of a Javoris-Halligan. Oh, I'm not picking up Alex Collins to start him this week. No, it's Dashkin. This is a guy I'm sitting on Yeah, well, I mean, we've been saying this for three weeks now That you should have been sitting on
Starting point is 00:46:29 Yeah, it's time to talk about Deion Lewis, guys 21% owned You know, maybe Maybe you're going to start taking over as a lead back there What do you think, Deion Lewis? He's been a starter I think For the last three weeks. So it's not like they haven't been trying to get him touches early.
Starting point is 00:46:50 It's just he hasn't gotten the touches that you typically look for. I like James White a lot this week. I think he's their best running back against the Falcons. But Lewis is second, and if Gillislee can't get the job done and now he's fumbling, he talked about it. He's like, I can't put the ball on and now he's fumbling, you know, he talked about it. He's like, I can't put the ball on the ground on this team. And you saw the result. He was benched until the end of the game.
Starting point is 00:47:10 I thought it was amazing he even came back in. I totally agree. But the reason why I think he did is because I think the Patriots are scared to overuse DeAndre Lewis. As they should. I mean, I don't think he's going to be a 15-plus carry guy. But in the 8 to 12 touches that he may get in a game like this where he can be a dual threat. Look, he's their closest thing right now with Burkhead banged up to a dual threat guy.
Starting point is 00:47:32 He never catches passes, though. Because Gilsey doesn't catch the ball, and they don't want to use White between the tackles. But they never throw to Deion Lewis. That's the weird thing. We know he can catch. I know. We know he can catch passes. I mean, personally, I think he's a really good player.
Starting point is 00:47:45 I think he is, too, but I also think he's a real brittle player. Yeah, there's no question about that. So you guys would rather have Alex Collins or Deion Lewis? Collins. I would rather have Lewis for this week. I would rather have Collins as a better stash candidate. Who's better this week, Deion Lewis or Matt Forte? I feel like Forte is safer.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Lewis is better this week in standard leagues. Forte is better in PPR. I'm just going to read the names again. The owned in 65% of leagues or less list is McFadden, Rawls, Darkwa, Alex Collins. Eddie Lacy is in this mix too. Alex Collins, Deion Lewis, Matt Fort mix too. Alex Collins. Dion Lewis. Matt Forte. And then Chris Ivory, which is insurance for Leonard Fournette.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Deontay Foreman. Wendell Smallwood. And that's where I wanted to go, Jamie. Wendell Smallwood, he's like ninth or something on this list. Kind of a drop for him. How come he's behind Chris Ivory, Deontay Foreman, Smallwood? I think just with the thought that he's not going to return. If he's back, then he goes up ahead of these guys.
Starting point is 00:48:49 And maybe I'll move him ahead of these guys, but we just don't know when he's going to play. Ahead of who? Who would you move Smallwood ahead of if he were healthy? Oh, I'd put him ahead of Foreman. I would put him ahead of... He might be second best. Not for me.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Rawls is second best. Easy. I think he would be ahead of Ivory. He'd be behind Forte. Can I just ask a question? What do you see in Thomas Rawls that makes you so confident in him being helpful for fantasy? If he's the guy and he had the shake-off-the-rust game last time they played and threw their bye week, the one they used on passing downs,
Starting point is 00:49:25 played more than Eddie Lacy. He makes the most sense to be their starter. If Chris Carson, I don't think, emerged, Thomas Rawls would be somebody we'd be considering a must-start guy at this point. Dave, what do you disagree with there? I think he's not that good. I think the Seahawks are going to mix and match their running backs. I think their offensive line is in terrible shape.
Starting point is 00:49:48 And I'm not at all excited. And I can not hide it. But I'm not going to lose any control. We've got Matt Breida, still not a bad stash candidate. And Samaje Pirine, who caught a touchdown. Yes, we all knew that would happen. That was like week one when, who caught a touchdown. Yes, we all knew that. Right. That was like week one when Jonathan Stewart caught a touchdown. Pirine did catch a touchdown, but he had a lot fewer carries than Thompson.
Starting point is 00:50:12 And he is now, I think he's below three yards per carry. He's around three yards per carry this year. If you need two yards, he can get you two yards. If you need three yards, he'll get you two yards. Philadelphia's got a really good run defense, too. Can't wait for that game. Big one on Monday night. All right, so again, I'm just going to read the names just so you all have it.
Starting point is 00:50:32 In shallower leagues, Alfred Morris, Marlon Mack, Derek Henry, Rob Kelly, Andre Ellington. These are guys that make sense to be on your team. Doesn't mean they should be added ahead of Darren McFadden. But McFadden is in shallower leagues. He's 58% owned, or in deeper leagues, rather. Not super deep, but deeper than the other guys I mentioned. Thomas Rawls, Eddie Lacy, Darkwa, Alex Collins, Deion Lewis, Matt Forte, Chris Ivory, Deontay Foreman, Wendell Smallwood, Matt Breida, Samaje Pirine.
Starting point is 00:51:01 Who's got the best long-term potential? I'm going to take the Cowboys guys out of this mix because we know what their situation is. But between the Seahawks, the Giants, the Ravens, and everybody should really remember how frustrating the Ravens were last year when they kept – they couldn't get a clear answer. Who's the best guy, Terrence West or – oh, gosh, the rookie from last year? Kenneth Dixon. Kenneth Dixon. Kenneth Dixon. You know, every week it seemed like we changed our answer. That was frustrating, and that's already happened the last two weeks
Starting point is 00:51:30 between Allen and Collins. But Deion Lewis, Forte, anyway, best long-term potential guys on the waiver wire this week? Thomas Rawls. Smallwood. Okay. Yeah, Thomas Rawls is the only one on this list that projects to be a starter with a heavy workbook.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Wait a minute. What about Orleans Darkwa? Could be. I just don't think that's – I'm changing my answer to Darkwa. I don't think it's sustainable with Darkwa, so. Oh, but Thomas Rawls is definitely going to last the rest of the season. No, but there's more potential for him.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Okay. Potential does stink. Well, let's be fair. They both have a lot of potential to stink. They They both have a lot of potential to stink They both do have a lot of potential to stink But I'm not chasing box scores That's simply how he ends up losing So Darkwell
Starting point is 00:52:13 The Giants as we mentioned They changed their play caller They changed their offensive line It worked We'll see if it happens again Yeah it worked for one game Wide receivers line. It worked. We'll see if it happens again. Yeah, it worked for one game. It looked really, really good. Wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:52:27 Okay, we've got John Brown number one. The way we talked about it earlier in the show was for this week, John Brown, Nelson Aguilar, and Marquise Lee are the top three priorities for Jamie. John Brown, Nelson Aguilar, and Marquise Lee. Long term,
Starting point is 00:52:44 it's Marvin Jones, Josh Douilar, and Marquise Lee. Long term, it's Marvin Jones, Josh Doxson, and Mike Williams. Other players you could consider would be Kenny Stills facing the Jets if Devante Parker doesn't play. Ted Ginn and even Willie Sneed if he gets dropped at Green Bay. Green Bay's so banged up. Mike Wallace was a major flop last week. Three catches for 30 yards against the Bears, but, you know, at Minnesota, revenge game. Yeah, I mean, that's not a good matchup. Jordan Matthews, if he plays, would be, I think, really appealing, but you don't have to use waivers on him. Right, Jordan Matthews? No.
Starting point is 00:53:22 Robert Woods is interesting. Ten catches for 133 yards on 15 targets in his last two games. And those games came against Jacksonville and Seattle. He's got Arizona this week, Robert Woods. He's 6% owned. Taylor Gabriel at New England. Wide receivers kill New England. Robbie Anderson, Jeremy Curley, Jermaine Curse.
Starting point is 00:53:40 They all had good games. Don't drop Matt Ryan, by the way. No, Matt Ryan's our star of the week this week. Oh, nice. This reminds me of when we were talking about Deshaun Jackson. He had a bad game going into the game against New England. And we said, no, don't drop Deshaun Jackson. You're going to want him against New England.
Starting point is 00:53:56 And he had a good game. Benny Fowler, deeper leagues. Benny Fowler, Robbie Anderson, Juju Smith-Schuster. So I said a lot of names there. John Brown, Aguilar, Marvin Jones, Marquise Lee, Mike Williams, Josh Doxson, Kenny Stills, Ted Ginn, Mike Wallace, Jordan Matthews, Robert Woods, Taylor Gabriel, Benny Fowler, Robbie Anderson, Juju Smith-Schuster.
Starting point is 00:54:19 I know you can't remember all those names. That's why you've got to go to CBSSports.com and read the waiver wire column. But, Dave, do you want to weigh in? Let me ask you this question. Best long-term potential among the waiver wire wide receivers? I think it's Doxon. Just because there isn't a
Starting point is 00:54:33 standout number one receiver in Washington, and he could potentially fill that role. More so than John Brown? More so than John Brown. Nelson Aguilar's been really, really good. Four touchdowns in six games. It's not an easy call saying Doxon ahead of John Brown and Nelson Aguilar.
Starting point is 00:54:51 I was pivoting to a separate Nelson Aguilar conversation. How much do you buy his production? I buy it. He's playing a lot. He's getting a good amount of targets. I think he could get consistent really quick. Alshon Jeffries catching 50% of his targets right now, and he's just not playing great.
Starting point is 00:55:10 And Aguilar is. This is one of the more interesting ones also because you have the Josh Norman injury. If Norman plays, Aguilar looks much better because Breland's out. If Norman's out, both guys look great. But Aguilar plays mostly in the slot. So I don't even know if Breland would move in there anyway. It's just shifting their guys around.
Starting point is 00:55:34 I just like the fact that he gets targets outside of the red zone and then finds a way to score. He's done it a few times already this season. Yeah, that's tough to bank on, though. That's tough to sustain. I agree, but he's been doing it. Actually, you know what? Let me look up his red zone targets.
Starting point is 00:55:48 We'll come back to that in a second. Let's go to tight ends. Tight ends, everybody. Okay, we've got Ryan Griffin and Eric Ebron on a bye. Ouch. We've got Charles Clay still banged up. Did you just hurt yourself? No, I'm just upset. You know, Ryan Griffin
Starting point is 00:56:04 and Eric Ebron on a bye. Did it sound too real? Yeah, I thought you legitimately got a paper cut or something. I have a degree in theater arts, Dave. Put it to good use there. You know the most demeaning thing I ever had?
Starting point is 00:56:19 Forget it. No, no, no. It's not that good of a story. It's just a stupid theater exercise I had to do one time in like an acting class. Did you really major in theater arts? It was my second major. Yeah. You know how it is.
Starting point is 00:56:33 What was your first major? Broadcast journalism. Nelson Aguilar has five red zone targets. It's actually not that bad. He has four inside the ten, which is actually pretty solid. That's actually very good. Four targets inside the ten. Can you imagine Adam doing Shakespeare in the park? which is actually pretty solid. That's actually very good. You can imagine Adam doing Shakespeare in the park.
Starting point is 00:56:48 I was not an actor. So here are your tight ends. Hoopa! What did you go into theater arts for? Like set design? I sold tickets at the box office. I majored in the business side. Dave, you had to have a second major if you were a communications major at Miami.
Starting point is 00:57:03 I know, I went there. Yes, I picked the easiest one. I was a communications major myself. I picked the easiest one. What was your second major if you were a communications major at Miami. I know. I went there. Yes. I picked the easiest one. I was a communications major myself. I picked the easiest one. What was your second major? Creative writing. That actually is probably more useful for you than theater was for me. So way to take it seriously. Alright. Hoopa, number one.
Starting point is 00:57:20 Would you rather have Witten or Hooper this week? Hooper. Okay. Nick O'Leary, number two for Jamie. Not quite for Dave, but we all see the appeal in Nick O'Leary, who had five catches for 54 yards on six targets in week five. And Tampa Bay has allowed a touchdown. That was in three quarters, too.
Starting point is 00:57:40 Yep. Okay, so Tampa Bay has allowed a touchdown to a tight end in two of their last three games. And, okay, we got George Kittle, who nearly scored her second straight game. He's facing Dallas. Zach Miller, Ed Dixon, and Greg Olson. Not a bad time to stash him, by the way. Vernon Davis, maybe.
Starting point is 00:58:00 You never know. Tyler Croft. Dave likes more than Jamie does. And Jonu Smith. That's more of a rest of season pick. Okay. Jonu Smith, Tennessee's other tight end at Cleveland. So don't drop Delaney Walker, by the way, for this week.
Starting point is 00:58:15 Yeah, I don't know what else there is to say here. It's not a great list. But I think we should throw Jack Doyle on there, guys, actually. What do you think about him this week facing Jacksonville? They allow the eighth most fantasy points at tight ends. Doyle had seven catches, 50 yards, and a touchdown on 11 targets last night. I just don't want to trust him yet until luck's
Starting point is 00:58:34 back. So if you want to stash him, sure. Okay. Stash Jack Doyle. And what about Martellus Bennett this week? Would you drop Bennett for Hooper? Would you drop Bennett for O'Leary, for Kittle? Yep. Yeah, Bennett.
Starting point is 00:58:48 He was already crap Ola with Aaron Rodgers. How is it going to turn around with Nick Huntley? No, it's a good point. Brett Huntley. Who is Nick Huntley? Is that a baseball player? Yes, Nick Huntley is like a catcher. He was a catcher for the Padres.
Starting point is 00:59:02 I don't know where that came from. You're all about big Yankees Indians. He's a catcher for the Padres. I don't know where that came from. You're all about big Yankees Indians. Padres catchers, apparently. Big Yankees Indians game tonight, Dave. Can't wait. Game eight. We talked about basically every DST streamer, but the Bills, the Saints, Giants, Dolphins, Jets, Titans. What about the Rams?
Starting point is 00:59:23 Anybody like the Rams this week against Arizona? They're okay 58% on They're playing better After they gave up that 75 yard touchdown to Fournette They shut down the Jags Dave, you have a favorite this week? What's up?
Starting point is 00:59:38 You have a favorite DST? Saints Against Randy Hundley Over the Bills? Yeah, over the Bills? Against Randy Hundley. Over the Bills? Yeah, over the Bills. Okay. And emails. We'll do a few here.
Starting point is 00:59:51 From Alex in Texas. The Aaron Rodgers owner is in first place. I offered him. He doesn't have a quarterback. I offered him Mariota and Delaney Walker for Travis Kelsey. He didn't bite, but he made the mistake of saying he's going to get Carson Palmer off waivers. Needless to say, I'm going to get Palmer out of spite. Should I try to get more?
Starting point is 01:00:10 I don't know what that means. In trade? Yeah. All's fair in love and war. Yeah, get Palmer. And then make him another trade offer. Yes. By the way, I don't know that I wouldn't have done that trade. Well, if you think you can get Palmer, then yeah, it's fine to keep Kelsey.
Starting point is 01:00:26 But after that, I would probably trade Kelsey for Mariota basically and Walker. You have to, right? I mean, for the Rodgers owner? Mm-hmm. Let's see what we got here. This is from Will in Fort Mill, South Carolina. Thanks, Dave. Dear Sally, Jesse, and Raphael.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Very funny. PPR League, I own CJ Anderson. Who should I target and trade if I want to trade CJ Anderson before he loses targets, loses touches, or gets hurt? I'd say not anyone, but I'd aim I'd say not anyone but I'd aim high with CJ Anderson
Starting point is 01:01:09 it's just hard coming off the game that you just had yeah should definitely bounce back this week and then you might want to make that trade offer
Starting point is 01:01:16 alright that's it we'll try to read more emails tomorrow we'll do some buy low sell high this has been your waiver wire show good luck waiver wiring
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