Fantasy Football Today - 10/20 Fantasy Football Podcast: Start or Sit (NFC), KC-OAK Recap

Episode Date: October 20, 2017

Amari Cooper is back! Or is he??? We start with a recap of Thursday's awesome game (2:00) with Fantasy analysis on the OAK RBs and much more ... Introducing the No Touchdowns Club (21:00), plus "Beat ...the Waiver Wire (22:00)" for Week 8 ... JAC-IND (27:00), NO-GB (31:30), ARI-LAR (37:55), BAL-MIN (43:16), CAR-CHI (48:46), WAS-PHI (53:44), DAL-SF (1:00:15), SEA-NYG (1:01:55) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! Get your lineup set. It's time for Star Tours 6. Let's go! Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome back, Amari Cooper!
Starting point is 00:00:22 And congratulations to the 60% of Amari Cooper owners who had his 210 yards and two touchdowns in the lineup. It is our Friday show. We will recap Thursday night and get you ready for the NFC home games, plus Jacksonville, Indianapolis, the leftover from yesterday. And Jamie, how you doing, Mr. 41? How was that birthday? Birthday was great, thank you. I'm doing very well. How about yourself? Pretty good. Pretty good.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Pretty ready. It was a great game last night. It was a great game last night. Great ending. Very, very crazy. Yes. Good for FanDuel. Hope you had some of those guys in your FanDuel lineup.
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Starting point is 00:01:18 All right, we've got a busy show. We're going to do beat the waiver wire. We got major injury updates and you know, we've got to talk about those Titans running backs. We'll revisit yesterday's conversation about that. But let's talk Oakland 31, Kansas City 30. Terrific game.
Starting point is 00:01:32 A lot of fun. Marshawn Lynch getting ejected for running onto the field and shoving and grabbing a referee. Reportedly leaves the stadium. So obviously that situation. He did not leave the stadium. He did not? No. There was actually pictures of him.
Starting point is 00:01:46 He went back and sat in the stands. What? He sat in the stands? Yep. Okay. That's an interesting guy. He's an interesting guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Okay, but I wanted to read some emails here. We don't get the emails in enough. Fantasyfootball at CBSi.com. We have our mailbag show tomorrow, though. Ryan says, sell high or no way? I think you mean sell high or no thanks guy on Amari Cooper. I think just looking at the schedule and based on the game that he had, he's probably going to struggle at Buffalo next week
Starting point is 00:02:20 if Buffalo plays as they've been playing coming off their bye week. And then he's got their bye week? And then he's got their bye week? No, he's got Miami. The Raiders have their bye week? Miami, then the bye. Oh, their week 11? Week 10? Nine.
Starting point is 00:02:35 No, 10. Yeah, at Buffalo, at Miami, then a bye. Then they play New England in Mexico. Then they play Denver. Then they play the Giants. Then they're at Kansas City. I mean, the playoff schedule is pretty good. At Kansas City and then Dallas.
Starting point is 00:02:49 And then at Philadelphia. I don't know how good that will be. And then at the Chargers. It's not a terrible schedule. It looks kind of neutral to me. But there is Denver. There is the Giants. There's Buffalo.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Could be tricky. And they're bye week. And they're bye week. I'm not selling him for anything. But there's a five-game sample size where you combine for five fantasy points. Yeah. And you just wonder. Sometimes, you remember, or not remember, but you know how sometimes when they say like with basketball players when they're struggling, they get a layup or they get to the foul line and then things just start to roll for them from there.
Starting point is 00:03:20 They get just easy baskets. Yeah, I mean I can't make anything on the court, so it doesn't work work for me but yes i i think when he in and that was clearly offensive pass interference clearly 38 yard touchdown and and i just wonder if okay he caught the ball he scored a touchdown he feels good and things just start to snowball from there in a positive way so he played great. It's funny because we swing and miss a lot in this business on calls. Very rarely do we swing and miss on an entire game or entire group of players. I'll speak for myself. Wrong on Carr. Wrong on Cooper.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Wrong on Cook. Not that we had it ranked poorly, but wrong on me, wrong on Smith, just having him a little too low, and Tyreek Hill. But I just think, like, if you can get something great in return for Cooper right now, you probably want to do it because he's probably going to disappoint you next week going to Buffalo. Okay. I mean, I still want to believe in him, though, just overall.
Starting point is 00:04:27 You should. If I'm selling him, I'm not necessarily caring about just next week at Buffalo. But it's those other few games coming up, plus you're going to lose him for a week. Yeah, I know. There still are a lot of – yeah, it's a good point. It depends. Let me ask you this. If Doug Baldwin comes off of a bad game, who would you rather have rest of season?
Starting point is 00:04:47 Baldwin might have a bad game against the Giants, so that's possible. I think I'd probably rather have Baldwin. I mean, we have to really look at the Chiefs, and they're a bad defense right now. They're bad. Very true. And I think that's one. You know what? I'll tell you the trap I fell into, and this is a problem,
Starting point is 00:05:09 is I thought the same thing with the Steelers facing a bad Chiefs team that maybe they get going a little bit. And Brown had the fluke touchdown, but that was really the only big play in the passing game. Yeah. And I figured bad track record for the Raiders on prime time, especially the quarterback. Bad track record in the division for the quarterback. Bad track record against opponent for the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:05:29 So how does that lead to Cooper breaking out of his funk? No, come on. There was nothing that pointed to this happening. The only thing is they went away from Marcus Cooper for most of the night, and they're bad in the secondary other than him. And they got a lot of production. Basically, I feel like almost every big play they had was on anybody but Marcus Cooper. Marcus Peters.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Marcus Peters. Do that all the time. And they had a good game plan, and it worked. So I don't really blame you guys for being down. I saw some people saying, oh, you always start your studs. Okay, well, that didn't work the last four weeks. The last five weeks, it didn't work. You know, and Carr played in four of those games. So, I don't know. I don't see how you could have seen this coming. And Tyreek Hill. All right, so we got an email from Dave in Austin, Texas.
Starting point is 00:06:18 I figured it out for Tyreek. He booms in away games. He busts at home. I don't know. Is that a simple formula for Tyreek Hill? Because that's another guy. I'd feel bad for you having to rank Tyreek Hill every week. If he gets his big play, he's going to have a huge game. If he doesn't, he's not. That's how it is. I was thinking about this last night. We had this conversation at some point this week. Heath, and I've
Starting point is 00:06:38 said this to you before, Heath is very consistent where he doesn't really go with the ebbs and flows of game by game. He kind of just ranks guys based on how they are coming into the season. We've had this conversation about Cooper and Tyree Kill this week. He doesn't want to have – and T.Y. Hilton. He doesn't move these guys around because the one time that they go off, he has them appropriately slotted.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I don't want to speak for him, but I think that's the gist of it. And I think Dave as well, we tend to go with the situation. Yeah, well, I mean, he doesn't have Hilton that high this week. But Hilton's in a different situation. I'm not talking about him specifically,
Starting point is 00:07:24 but Tyree Kill's been bad the last few weeks. Yeah, he has. I'm not talking about him specifically, but Tyreek Hill's been bad the last few weeks. Yeah, he has. I'm trying to look up his home road splits. Is there a rhyme or reason with Tyreek Hill? I'll look up his home road splits from last year. But this year it has been. His good games have been on the road and all of his bad games have been at home.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Last year, yeah, last year he had 390 yards on the road receiving and 203 at home, but he had three touchdowns in both places. He had a lot more rushing yards at home, so total yards was pretty even. So I'm going to say no. I'm going to say no, there wasn't a major difference there unless you look at just receiving yards.
Starting point is 00:07:58 That doesn't really seem like anything to stay. That just seems like a fluke to me on a small sample size. I mean, would you rather have Tyreek Hill or Amari Cooper rest of the season? really seem like anything to sustain. That just seems like a fluke to me on a small sample size. Yeah. I mean, would you rather have Tyreek Hill or Amari Cooper rest of the season? I'd rather have Amari Cooper. Would you rather have Michael Crabtree or Amari Cooper? I think I'd still rather have Crabtree.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Okay. Good that we got the touchdown from him. It only took 60-plus minutes. 60-plus tries at the end of the game. It's funny that they called the pass interference On Crabtree but not on Cooper The OPI I mean Cooper still would have had a huge game even if he didn't
Starting point is 00:08:32 If they hadn't called back From Jason in email A few weeks ago you were talking about selling Todd Gurley Because he looked to be on the downside That's not really what we said How come no mention of Kareem Hunt trending down His last four games have been RB2, not RB1. Same thing as Gurley.
Starting point is 00:08:48 A couple monsters and now just middle of the road. Do you just hate Todd Gurley? No. I think we were saying if you're selling Todd Gurley, you're selling him for elite-level talent. And I'll say the same thing about Kareem Hunt. If you want to sell him, you're selling him for elite-level talent. Okay. I think the situations are totally different. We were talking to sell him, you're selling him for elite level talent. Okay, I think the situations are totally different.
Starting point is 00:09:05 We were talking about Gurley, yes, sell him for elite talent, but also because he had a brutal schedule coming up. And, by the way, Kareem Hunt, the last four games he hasn't scored a touchdown. He's gotten over 100 total yards in every game. I think, not to be a jerk, Jason, I think you're misreading it a little bit there. Yeah, touchdowns come in bunches, as he showed you. Yeah, you can't be upset with Kareem Hunt. He's involved in the passing game.
Starting point is 00:09:28 He's averaging like four catches per game. He is averaging exactly four catches per game in those four games. He's been playing without his center and his right tackle. This guy is a stud. Yeah, if he scores last night, nobody's going to complain. No, nobody should be complaining. He's double-digit fantasy points every single week. Okay, how about Demarcus Robinson?
Starting point is 00:09:46 Do you have any interest in him? Five catches, 69 yards on eight targets. Two weeks in a row, playing more than 90% of the snaps for the Chiefs. Tony Romo likes him a lot. Do you like Demarcus Robinson? Deeper leagues. I mean, you know, we've said this a lot about the Chiefs over the years. They really haven't had a second receiver that you can trust. You know, going back to the Dwayne Bode days, to Jeremy Macklin last year, or two years ago, Tyreek Hill last year, it's just not an offense when you have a tight end like Kelsey and a running back now like Hunt, previously like Jamal Charles.
Starting point is 00:10:15 They throw to those positions so much that you'll have the fluke game every now and then. Touchdown bounces off of defenders, Anthony scores, stuff like that. Right. Okay. But that wasn't him, though. That was Allen Wilson. But yes.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Derek Carr had a good – how much confidence do you have in Derek Carr going forward? It's the same thing. I think you've got to look at what the sample size has been. I think he'll be a low-end starter. I don't love the matchup against Buffalo next week. I haven't looked at the schedule. I just looked at them last night. Those two guys, Carr and Cooper, set up as my potential bust alerts and start set because coming off monster performances, everybody goes all in, and
Starting point is 00:10:57 Buffalo's defense has been really, really good, and they're at home. Who do you like better rest of season, Carr or Alex Smith? Alex Smith. You've got to buy into what he's doing. You do, and I'll tell you what, man. He's had four games this year. Alex Smith, let me just get the – yeah. So four games with – five games. Here it is. Five games with 34 or more pass attempts this season.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Last year he had six in 16 regular season games. So he's almost already matched that. In 2015 he had three games with regular season games. So he's almost already matched that. In 2015, he had three games with 34 more pass attempts. He's throwing more, and he's playing well, and they have a good team. And the defense being bad helps. Yeah, it sure does. All right, now, finally, Oakland running backs. Jamie, give me your take. Look, we don't know what's going to happen. I think it was a good chance that Marshawn Lynch is suspended, but what do you think? I think if I saw correctly from Ian Rappaport, I don't know what's going to happen. I think it was a good chance that Marshawn Lynch is suspended, but what do you think?
Starting point is 00:11:46 I think if I saw correctly from Ian Rappaport, I don't know if they're going to suspend him, but they're probably going to fine him. Fair enough. I'll check to see real quick what he said. I think you're looking at what we saw last year when Latavius Murray went out. There really wasn't one
Starting point is 00:12:01 clear-cut guy. Jalen Rashard looks like he would be the better of the two, but the touches were almost split identically. I think it was 13-12 in favor of Richard. Richard looks to be the better receiver. Washington could be the one working at the goal line. You know, I think you can't really say you're going to start either one, especially if it's just a one-game suspension.
Starting point is 00:12:21 If he is out at Buffalo, I'll lean toward Richard certainly in PPR, but they're both flex options I think if Lynch is ever going to get hurt or miss time. I think at some 10-team leagues you're going to see people drop Marshall Lynch, which I understand.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Yeah, definitely. Especially if we go through Sunday in those formats or Monday, where nobody picks up Wendell Smallwood. And if he has a big game, that's an easy switch to make. There are a lot of running backs who are maybe not available in 12... Some of them are going to be available in 12-team leagues.
Starting point is 00:13:00 I'm going to get to that in a second when we do Beat the Waiver Wire. All right, so Jared Cook had six catches, 107 yards. Remember, Derek Carr threw 52 passes in this game, so the stats are going to be inflated. We'll see if Cook is in the waiver wire column. 58% owned, he'll be facing Buffalo. We'll see how Buffalo does. He's never done this before. No, no.
Starting point is 00:13:17 I'll tell you one thing. I don't know exactly what would have played out this way, but if they call him down at the one instead of the touchdown, do they get the playoff? Yeah, I think they do. They had like, what, 18 seconds left.
Starting point is 00:13:33 But they still have to get up there and snap it. And spike it, yeah. Now again, they did have the 10-second runoff. So it got them down 8 seconds, but they got a chance to set. I don't love that rule. I think that's got to get changed. I think in that scenario, though, it's fine. It's the way it screwed the Falcons.
Starting point is 00:13:50 This is what hurt. Or the Lions. Yeah, I don't know. I don't love it. All right, Jamie. Let's get moving here so we can get to the eight games that we have to preview. But you know what? Fellas out there looking good, it's important.
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Starting point is 00:15:21 The report last week after he left the game was he could have come back in. I imagine he plays, but pick up Chris Ivory if you still can. DeMarco Murray mispracticed on Thursday. They've got Cleveland. Are you moving Derek Henry ahead of Murray yet? Not yet. I mean, again, we fell in this trap before. I don't want to go back to that game against Jacksonville. Henry was banged up in that game. I'm sorry, Murray was banged up in that game. Henry looked great in the fourth quarter. And I don't think we talked about it on our show, but on Sunday morning
Starting point is 00:15:51 on our FFT show, I said the game was a blowout. We don't know how hurt DeMarco Murray is, and maybe they were just letting Henry run in the fourth quarter. The Titans were up against the Colts in the fourth quarter. It wasn't a big lead, but they were up. And Henry was the one killing the clock. I just wonder if they're just being careful with Murray. If he gets in some sort of limited practice on Friday, he's still the better
Starting point is 00:16:13 of the two. Bilal Powell practicing full. Is it hands off for all Jets running backs now? Oh yeah, if that's the case, then yes. Tampa Bay Times reporters Greg Allman. Allman. I went to college with him. Yeah, your boy, yeah. And Rick Stroud. They expect Jameis Winston to miss this week's game. It wouldn't be a surprise. Now, he says he's going to throw in practice, so we'll see what happens Friday. If, in fact, that happens, then I think you can expect him to be out there,
Starting point is 00:16:40 but we still have to wait and see. If he doesn't play, anyone you're starting? How does it change? You're starting Evans, you're starting Brate? I mean, yeah, I'd still start those guys. Certainly Evans. Fitzpatrick, as we know, peppers guys with targets. Jackson, I think, is hands-on.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Jamie, do you want to stash Teddy Bridgewater? Deep, deep, deep leagues. I mean, who knows when he'll play, who knows how good he'll be. I don't know if he's back at practice in full, and all of a sudden they bench Case Keenum, especially if Keenum comes off a couple wins in a row. Kelvin Benjamin missed practice. He may not play.
Starting point is 00:17:15 We'll preview that game. We'll talk about those receivers. Luke Keekly returned to practice. Kind of a big deal for Jordan Howard. They're facing the Bears, but he's still in the concussion protocol, so Keekly hasn't been cleared yet. Stephon Diggs practiced. He has a chance to play.
Starting point is 00:17:29 That game is coming up on today's show. In that same game, Mike Wallace, Ben Watson, Terrence West, they did not practice. But Brandon Williams... They signed a receiver, which is a bad sign. Oh, for Mike Wallace, yeah. That looks like a pretty low-scoring game, Baltimore-Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Brandon Williams could play this week. That's Baltimore's defensive tackle, their big run stuffer. So, yeah, that'll be an interesting one. We'll have to break it down. I traded Jarek McKinnon for Doug Baldwin. Grade the trade. Jarek McKinnon for Doug Baldwin. That's a B.
Starting point is 00:17:57 All right. You also made another trade too, right? Yes, I did. You know what? My Twitter followers helped me out because I got offered Brandon Cooks and Mike Gillisley for Jordy Nelson and Mike Williams in PPR. And I said, who do you like better, rest of season in PPR, Brandon Cooks or Jordy Nelson? Cooks kind of ran away with it, and that's how I felt too, but I wanted to see if I was crazy. So I didn't care about the other two players in the deal, Gillisley and Mike Williams.
Starting point is 00:18:25 I'll take Brandon Cooks. I like him better than Jordy now. I just wonder, we've talked about this a little bit, that if Brent Hundley is good, not Aaron Rodgers, but good, do you regret that trade? Maybe, but I don't think so. First of all, I like Cooks. I think the best is yet to come with him. But you love Jordy.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Not without Aaron Rodgers. Like, there's no way he's good. But I know what you're basing it off of. You're basing it off of the year with Matt Flynn. Yeah, but even if he's just a little bit better than that, he's still not that good. He was pretty unreliable. Just throwing it out there that the first time that Brent Hundley was on the field
Starting point is 00:19:00 is the season high in targets for Jordy Nelson. That's interesting. Come from behind effort. Going to be a lot of those. And you know their defense isn't good. I just think that he and Rodgers have like ESP. They have amazing chemistry. Yeah, but we had this conversation in the office yesterday.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Jordy Nelson can probably say to Aaron Rodgers, hey, look, I was open on this play, I was open on that play. Maybe you want to come back to that in the third quarter or whatever. He could go to Brent Hellman and be like, dude, throw me the effing ball. But look, I don't have that luxury because once Sunday comes, that trade's not going to be there anymore. So I had to make a call. What would you have done?
Starting point is 00:19:34 Who would you rather have, Cooks or Nelson? You took the safe route. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And probably rest of season they're close. But there is still that X factor that if Hundley is just good, Jordy still can be great. Could be. I think, yeah. It's not a bad trade.
Starting point is 00:19:54 I don't think you lost the trade by any stretch. You may have won the trade exponentially, but you didn't lose the trade. Marlon Mack is in line for more touches with Robert Turbin out for the season. The Redskins could have Norman and Breeland, their two starting cornerbacks. They could have them both out. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to guess that it seems unlikely that both will play,
Starting point is 00:20:13 but we'll see. Any update on the Packers' offensive line, Jamie? Nothing that I've seen, no. Sean Lee is going to play this week at San Francisco. Pittsburgh right tackle Marcus Gilbert. He may not play again. We'll have to see. I don't think it's a tough matchup anyway. Do you expect
Starting point is 00:20:28 the following player, Sterling Shepard, against Seattle? No, but it's trending in the right direction. Yeah, he's got a chance. Jordan Matthews against Tampa Bay. Same thing. Wendell Smallwood. Yes, and I'm excited about it. Rob Kelly. Same game.
Starting point is 00:20:44 It sounds like it, but I think you've got to wait and see. Not a great matchup for him. Mohamed Sanu, Sunday night at New England. Sounds like it, but again, wait and see. Devontae Parker against the Jets. No. Your local NFL on CBS games, everybody. Can't watch them on TV?
Starting point is 00:21:00 Stream them live on CBS All Access. Start your free trial at cbs.com slash NFL. cbs.com slash NFL. Two things before we get to the games. I'm starting the No Touchdowns Club, Jamie. Alright? Okay. So I got a bunch of guys who haven't scored a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:21:17 All you have to do is pick one to score a touchdown this week. Julio. Alright, that was Heath's first pick. But you know what? Heath's not here today, so I'll week. Julio. That was Heath's first pick. But you know what? Heath's not here today, so I'll give you Julio. Are we doing a draft? Okay, he can have Julio. That's alright. You can have Julio. It's your birthday.
Starting point is 00:21:34 So the guys I have that haven't scored a touchdown yet are Ajayi McCoy, James White, Isaiah Crowell, Alex Collins, Julio Jones, Garcon, Demarius Thomas, and Adam Thielen. So you'll take Julio. His second pick was LaShawn McCoy.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Yeah, I was going to say LaShawn would be too. Dave didn't respond, so I will go with J.H.I. Let's see if these guys can get off the schneid and get into the touchdown club and out of the no touchdown club. Yeah, those are all three very good choices. Let's beat the waiver wire for Week 8. Get into the touchdown club and out of the no touchdown club. Yeah, those are all three very good choices. Let's beat the waiver wire for Week 8. There are six teams on by, so you might want to be active this weekend.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Jacksonville, Tennessee, Green Bay, the Rams, Cardinals, and the Giants are all on by in Week 8. Now, here are those running backs I mentioned that are available in a lot of leagues. None of them owned in more than 71% of leagues, but none of them owned in less than 48% of leagues. But they're all pretty interesting. Some of them for this week. Alex Collins, Matt Breida, Marlon Mack, Darren McFadden, Alfred Morris, Thomas Rawls, Rob Kelly. There's waiver wire talent there. I can't tell you any of these guys are going to be great, but I don't know, man. I look at those waiver wire running backs, all available in 30% of leagues or more. Say the list again.
Starting point is 00:22:52 Alex Collins, Brita, Marlon Mack, McFadden and Alf, Rawls, and Rob Kelly. It's not bad. Not Smallwood? Yeah, him too. I think he's like 70% owned. Yeah, he might have been under that last time I saw him. Yeah, it's weird. It's like, what's going on here?
Starting point is 00:23:09 I got Mike Gillisley off my team. Oh, he's 55% owned Wendell Smallwood. Like, drop Gillisley. Drop Jonathan Stewart, you know? No, I agree. I think you're looking at it. Again, these are probably more 10-team leagues where these guys are available. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Just because I can only speak for the leagues I play play in and i play in a lot of them you like rob kelly just is is probably the name on that list that's there and the cowboys guys are getting dropped um which is which is understandable um yeah it's it's it's one of those things where if you have the roster space to speculate on somebody, especially at this position, those are some great options there for sure. All right, let's beat the waiver wire. Other than those stash guys. Yeah. I mean, that is beating the waiver wire,
Starting point is 00:23:55 but I'm talking matchup specific for next week. I don't know. It's kind of hard with wide receiver. Josh Doxson against Dallas. I think you've got to buy into him because if the targets go up – I do a spot for the Redskins radio affiliate in Richmond. And I said to them yesterday, somebody asked a question about Josh Doxson. I forget who they're comparing it to.
Starting point is 00:24:19 And I asked those guys. I said, you tell me. Is this the game that he goes off? And they kind of feel the same way. It's like, what are they waiting for? Why not just give him seven targets a game? Let him, like her cousins, try to feature him a little bit. Why did you spend the first-round pick on him
Starting point is 00:24:33 if you're only going to throw him four targets a game? Absolutely. So Josh Doxson is widely available. Marvin Jones doesn't have a great matchup next week, but there's a lot. There's six teams on by. Jones is 69% owned. He's facing Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Kenny Galladay, I guess, too, wouldn't be a bad choice. Jamie, Tyrod Taylor. Tyrod Taylor was the beat-the-waiver-wire guy for Week 7. I think he's the beat-the-waiver-wire guy for Week 8. He's facing Oakland. Oakland is a really bad pass defense, but Taylor is 81% owned, so that's the only issue. It's tough finding a quarterback for next week.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Maybe Mike or Tyrell Williams at New England. I don't know. But DSTs, you got the Falcons at the Jets. You got the Saints against the Bears. They got the Packers this week and the Bears next week. You got the Dolphins at Baltimore on Thursday, and the Eagles face San Francisco. So the Falcons, Saints, Dolphins, and Eagles defenses that you could look at now.
Starting point is 00:25:25 But there are four of them. Don't know that you have to roster two right now. All right, I think it's time to look at the games. Would you like the Bonanza now or would you like the Bonanza later? Hit me, hit me. I'm not going to take the easy way out. I'm not going to go Falcons, Patriots. I'm going to go Dallas.
Starting point is 00:25:42 I'm going to go Dallas. Why? Matt Ryan started the week. Oh, okay, okay. Good. Then you're welcome. Dallas, San Francisco. Dallas, San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:25:51 So you're taking the third highest over under, third highest point total on the board. Sure, yeah. That's kind of the easy way out. That's not the easy way. What am I supposed to do? Well, you're taking the highest one, I believe, is the Falcons-Patriots. Yeah. You're not allowed to take that one.
Starting point is 00:26:07 Right. Then what? So you passed on the second one. Oh, the Redskins game, right? Passed on that one. I think I was thinking about that one, but, you know. You took the third highest one. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:26:19 How many restrictions are you going to put on me for this? I'm not – well, I mean, don't come out here and, like, boast. Like, I'm not taking the easy way out. I'm going to take the third highest game on the board. No over-under differences between Atlanta, New England, and Dallas, San Francisco are pretty significant. I think Carlos Hyde, as a receiver,
Starting point is 00:26:36 gets it done. I don't know if Garçon scores, but he'll be fine in PPR. I think one of the two tight ends has a good chance to score in this game. Oh, it's here, Kittle, Kittle. What's that? Here, Kitty, Kitty? George, Kittle. Yeah, but is that like Kitty, Kitty?
Starting point is 00:26:51 Here, Kitty, Kitty. I like that. Do you know the connection with C.J. Beathard and George Kittle? No, I don't. They played at Iowa together. Oh. For five years. Should've known that. Jacksonville's at Indianapolis. Your stat of the game. The Colts allow the second most fantasy points To wide receivers
Starting point is 00:27:07 They have really struggled against slot wide receivers Who's the best wide receiver In the Jacksonville Indianapolis game I mean you still have to start T.Y. Hilton As the best guy Yeah I mean you can make a case for Barkees Lee You can but he doesn't always play in the slot. Alan Hearn spends a lot of time in the slot.
Starting point is 00:27:29 It's funny. Dave and Heath got into it a little bit in a friendly discussion on our FFT video show yesterday, which Adam will be making his return to, depending on when you listen to this, in about two hours. And Dave likes Blake Bortles this week because of his track record against the Colts and he thinks that Bortles may throw a little bit in this game. I don't necessarily agree. Heath definitely did not agree. They're just not letting Bortles throw that much.
Starting point is 00:28:00 There's been one game so far where they've actually played with a lead where he's thrown and that was the Baltimore game in London. So I don't know if you're going to see the Jaguars guys come out chasing points like we saw last week. They got off to such a horrible start against the Rams last week. They gave up the kickoff return and everything was downhill from there. So I just can't really trust the Jaguars receivers. I think they're dart throw number three guys at best. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:27 Like, I like Marquise Lee, I mean, you know, but he's also missing Gusevic Praxis. If Leonard Fournette doesn't play, would you start Chris Ivory or T.Y. Hilton? I'd start Chris Ivory. Yeah. See, this is, we talked, I know we gave the guys a chance to, or mostly Dave, a chance to defend T.Y. Hilton.
Starting point is 00:28:44 I can't trust him this week. I know he's better usually at home than on the road, and I know all it takes for him is one big play. But the Jaguars don't give up that one big play. No, they allow the second fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. They've given up one touchdown on the season. It was a garbage-time touchdown to DeAndre Hopkins in Week 1 when Deshaun Watson came in, and they probably didn't know what to expect from Deshaun Watson.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Yeah, and he got 16 and Hopkins had 16 targets. Antonio Brown had 19 targets. T.Y. Hilton's not going to get that, and it's unfortunate. T.Y. Hilton's going to be a total bust this year. He might still be fine, but he's not going to. You thought Andrew Luck might miss three or four games when you drafted T.Y. Hilton. Sure. It's a shame.
Starting point is 00:29:22 Yep. So would you start Pierre Garcon over T.Y. Hilton? Yeah. Would you start Deshaun Jackson over him? Yeah. Even if Winston's out? Yeah. Interesting. As good as Buffalo's been, the Jaguars are better.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Fournette, obviously, people are going to start if he plays. We talked about the Jacksonville wide receivers. We don't like... Jamie doesn't like Jacoby Brissett or Blake Bortles. Dave has a hunch on Bortles. The Indianapolis running backs, what do you think about the running backs? Jaguars have had an inconsistent run defense this year. I think that you can't, Marlon Mack is the type of play,
Starting point is 00:30:03 we talk about this a lot. If you think your roster is in trouble after facing an Amari Cooper or Derek Carr or one of those type of things, and you're deciding between Marlon Mack and you've been starting Jonathan Stewart, for example, or you've been starting...
Starting point is 00:30:20 How about Gillisley? Would you start either of these guys over Gillisley? Mack is easy for me over... Both guys are easy for me over Gillisley. Who do you like better, Gore or Mack? Huh? Gore or Mack? I think Gore is just safer because as much as they're going to try and play Mack more with Turbin out, Gore projects to get the goal line chances or the inside 10 chances that Turbin's taken away from him of late.
Starting point is 00:30:43 I still think when push comes to shove, he's going to be involved in the passing game a little bit more than Marlon Mack. Mack is the home run threat. So if you're sitting on Isaiah Crowe and you've been starting him week after week after week and Mack's been on your bench, play Mack this week. Do you have any interest in Jack Doyle, 56% owned? Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:31:00 I mean, you saw last week targets were up. The fumble was unfortunate. Jack Doyle's given up top 10 production to fantasy tight ends. So he's in play. But he's only 19th for you, so not great. He's higher than that. He is? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Move him up, or did I just have that wrong? I think you got it wrong. Oh, he's 13th for you. Who's 19th for you? Yeah, I don't know. I apologize then. He's 13th for you. All right, so Jack Doyle.
Starting point is 00:31:26 Not a bad guy to take a flyer on. He's actually top 15 for everybody. Jack Doyle, 56% own. New Orleans is at Green Bay. Jacksonville DST, by the way, they're top five. Now, New Orleans is at Green Bay. Stat of the game.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Look at the Saints defense against running backs. Remember Dalvin Cook in Week 1? He got almost all his production in the fourth quarter. He had 127 rushing yards. Since then, nobody's rushed for more than 69 yards against the Saints. They do, however, allow the third most receiving yards to opposing running backs. So I think you said earlier in the week that you like Ty Montgomery more than Aaron Jones this week. Is that right?
Starting point is 00:32:04 Just based on that, that they struggle with pass-catching running backs, and I do expect them to be in chasing points. Now, I do like the report that Aaron Jones could be the guy that they lean on to carry the offense a little bit. So as an Aaron Jones owner, as somebody who's bought all into him, I think you can stash him and stash him with a lot of confidence. Now, I don't mean to step on your toes, but when you say that report, you're talking about it was sort of just a columnist saying they should do this. Yeah, speculation. It's not McCarthy coming out and saying it.
Starting point is 00:32:33 Right. But that's what I said Sunday when he first got hurt, when Rodgers first got hurt, is that if you feel like you need to sort of limit things, because you think about it. Rodgers covers up for that entire team. He doesn't cover up for any offensive deficiencies they may have. He covers up for the defense by keeping the ball and whatnot.
Starting point is 00:32:53 You know that's not going to be the case with Hundley because he's probably going to get nervous. He's going to have some turnovers. He's not going to run the offense as patiently. And so what keeps the defense off the field is a good running game. And so when their offensive line is good, which it could be when everybody's healthy, I think you look at it as Aaron Jones projects as the better bet than Ty Montgomery. But for this particular week, I would say that Montgomery should be better. Now, Dave has a different take on it, which is also interesting,
Starting point is 00:33:20 is that once the game got out of hand, they sort of kind of went into the shell a little bit and they started just to run the ball. And so he thinks if they get behind, they would do that. I don't know if that's the case because Minnesota's defense versus the Saints' defense, as good as New Orleans' defense has been, on the road versus at home, Hundley having a week of practice, I think it's just a different game flow for them, and I don't think they're going to give up if they're starting to trail a little bit. They were shell-shocked in that game last week, and so they'll be prepared now.
Starting point is 00:33:45 And I think Montgomery, for this week, projects as the better of the two guys. We've talked about two running back groups, Colts and the Packers. None of these guys are good starts this week. I mean, they don't look like it, right? They're all number threes. I mean, I don't want to start these guys, but Montgomery, maybe in PPR. Who's the best in PPR of the four Colts Packers? I'll say Montgomery one, Gore two, Mack three, Jones four.
Starting point is 00:34:13 And who's the best in standard? Montgomery one. Really? Over Gore? Gore two. Yeah, because Gore is a little bit of a wild card. Yeah. I suspect we'll find out more about the Packers running backs after this game,
Starting point is 00:34:28 see how they're actually going to use them. We'll stay on the Packers. Gosh, you know, I mean, well, Brett Hundley, you just want to wait and see? We don't feel like taking a flyer on him this week? I don't think it's a bad idea, you know, if you're the Rodgers owner and you lost him, to go get him now. Hundley or Roethlisberger this week? Good question.
Starting point is 00:34:51 There's probably a higher ceiling with Hundley. There's a better floor with Roethlisberger. Okay. I think Roethlisberger will get you 15 to 17 points. Yeah. You've got to be pretty desperate, though, with Brett Hundley. I know you like Beathard better than him, right? Yeah, I think Beathard's set up to play well.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Again, when you look at the over-unders, anybody who looks at the over-unders when it's a high-scoring game, they just take the players in that game. What do you think about the Green Bay wide receivers? I'm still looking at Jordy as a number two, a solid number two. Devontae Adams is a low-end number two.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Cobb, he didn't play well with Rodgers lately, so I don't think he's going to play well with Hundley. And the same thing with Martellus. Now the one thing with those two guys is, as we see with young quarterbacks, we talked about this yesterday with Jacoby Brissett, and why Jack DeWale has a chance to play well is those middle-of-the-field easy targets should be the ones that they lean on. But I think you just have to look at numbers and say those guys just didn't play well
Starting point is 00:35:43 with the better of the two quarterbacks. All right, so let me ask you this. Michael Thomas is the best wide receiver in this game. How many Packers wide receivers do you put ahead of another Saints guy? Oh, all three. Oh, yeah? All right. And if you had to take a flyer on another Saints guy, because the Packers are—
Starting point is 00:35:59 Oh, no, I'm sorry. I would take Willie Sneed over Randall Coffey. Okay. The Packers are getting a little healthier in the secondary. It looks like their rookie cornerback, Kevin King, is going to play. You might see Demarius Randall and Devon House. You will probably not see safety Morgan Burnett, but they're not the complete mess that they were last week.
Starting point is 00:36:16 But obviously we're starting Drew Brees. Is Michael Thomas the only Saints receiver that's top 24, or did you manage to get Sneed in there? No, you can't. If Sneed was healthy and playing well, I think it's a different story. But where he lines up typically in the slot, slot receivers had a lot of success against the Packers. So, you know, we'll see if those guys coming back will change things a little
Starting point is 00:36:34 bit. I'm just counting on Snead being better. I don't think he's great, but I think he's got an opportunity here to be a number three receiver, certainly in PPR. Yeah. Sit Martellus Bennett. Would you gamble on Snead or Aaron Jones slash Ty Montgomery? I'd go Montgomery, Snead, Jones.
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Starting point is 00:37:37 You get a budget, you make a lineup, you sit back, you watch some football You enjoy it and you hopefully win some money By the way, I love Rashard Matthews this week Don't love the wide receivers in general, but we'll give Fandul a lineup at the end of the show. And again, use that promo code FFT when you sign up. The promo code's FFT on Fandul, and that's void where prohibited. Interesting game in London this week. We've got the Cardinals at the Rams, and stat of the game, the Rams only allow... Okay, so I think the Rams. And stat of the game, the Rams only allow... Okay, so I think the Rams' run defense
Starting point is 00:38:08 is getting better. I'll preface it by saying that. They allowed 3.9 yards per carry last year, and we expect them to have a good run defense. The last four running backs against the Rams, Carlos Hyde, 3.4 yards per carry. Ezekiel Elliott, 4.1. Seattle running backs, 2.3.
Starting point is 00:38:25 And Leonard Fournette, 6.2 yards per carry. But afteriel Elliott, 4.1. Seattle running backs, 2.3. And Leonard Fournette, 6.2 yards per carry. But after a 75-yard touchdown, I think it was, on the first carry of the game, 20 carries for 55 yards. So personally, I think it's maybe a little bit of a stretch, but I think the Rams' run defense is getting a lot better. And getting back to
Starting point is 00:38:42 where they should be, they were missing Aaron Donald. He sat out training camp. He sat out one or two games. No, he played week two. So one game. But you like Adrian Peterson this week. I think you just look at workload, game flow. Yes, you could say take out this and take out that. Fournette still had the big run.
Starting point is 00:39:02 And who knows if he would have finished off. You know, they grind out a drive there and he gets a touchdown at the end. So it's hard to say that they're completely fixed. So there's enough of a track record here to suggest that Peterson, I may have him ranked too high. I have him at 13. Maybe he should be bumped down a few spots. But you're starting Adrian Peterson.
Starting point is 00:39:25 After what he showed you last week, you have to believe that he's going to get work. Matchup is still decent. Production should be there for him. One thing you can look at here, I'll just tell you. You can talk about what you're going to get into next, but I'll tell you where they rank
Starting point is 00:39:41 in terms of run defense in the last three games or last five games. Carson Palmer, he only threw 22 passes last week. He had a great game against Talk about what you're going to get into next. But I'll tell you where they rank in terms of the run defense in the last three games, the last five games. Okay. Carson Palmer, he only threw 22 passes last week. Had a great game against the Bucs. You've got him ranked ninth, Carson Palmer. Do you feel good about him? Everybody's got him top 12, but it's not a great week for quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:39:57 Do you feel good about Palmer? No. I'll probably drop him a few spots. But Dave brought up a good stat. I don't know the number, but good point that he actually has a good track record against Wade Phillips' coach defenses. And so Dave does a lot of research on player versus coordinator. And so I believe it's in his matchup column. So he was talking about that on the show yesterday.
Starting point is 00:40:17 I'm going to assume that that's the case. Okay. Andre Ellington, Jamie. He had one target, no catches last week. Does he bounce back this week? And he's injured, by the way. He may not play. But Ellington, if he does play, is he viable in PPR?
Starting point is 00:40:34 I still think he's a flex option because if the Cardinals are chasing points, I can't imagine that they're going to go away from him as much as they did. Yeah. I'm not sure they will be. All right. So the last five weeks for the Rams run defense, which is probably not the best sample size because we only played seven games, they're still first in fantasy points allowed. The last three weeks, which is probably better sample size, they're second.
Starting point is 00:40:54 Yeah, no, they've been giving up touchdowns, and they gave up that 75-yard run. So I know. I'm seeing improvement. I might be the only one, but we'll see. No, they're definitely better. I mean, first couple weeks, they were awful. I mean, they could really wreak havoc on the Cardinals offensive line. They really could.
Starting point is 00:41:12 They could. That being said, any Cardinals wide receivers you want to start other than Fitz? Yeah, John Brown. Last year in one game against them, 10 catches for 144 yards. John Brown or T.Y. Hilton? Brown. John Brown or Devontae Adams? Brown. John Brown or Adrian Peterson?
Starting point is 00:41:30 Peterson. PPR? Peterson. Brown doesn't catch a lot of passes. I mean, you're talking about a 4-for-60 type of guy, but he scored two straight. Targets have been 18 over three games. Hopefully he's getting healthy and starting to play better. Jared Goff or
Starting point is 00:41:47 Bethard? Bethard, but they're close. Goff or who did we just talk about? Oh, Brett Hundley. Goff. These are flyers. You don't necessarily want to be relying on these guys. Start Todd Gurley.
Starting point is 00:42:04 I know it's a tough matchup, but you can't get away from Todd Gurley. Rams wide receivers, who's your favorite? Robert Woods. I've been recommending Robert Woods to people that are in binds this week. He's 17% owned. I don't think he's going to score. He doesn't get any targets inside
Starting point is 00:42:20 the 10. He's got one all year. But, I mean, 5 for 70 last week. 66 or more yards in three of his last four games. He's underrated, Jamie Eisenberg, that Robert Woods. He is, and he's not going to get Patrick Peterson. That's going to be where Sammy Watkins,
Starting point is 00:42:36 you know, he's going to line up on Sammy Watkins, you would assume, just based on talent level. And the receivers opposite Patrick Peterson have had field days. Yeah, I actually saw a suggestion that Bethel's going to get benched this week. Yeah, he might get benched for Tremont Williams, but I don't know if that's a significant upgrade. No.
Starting point is 00:42:52 I mean, it might be, but not significant, no. No, that's where you would assume that Sean McVay and Jared Goff go, and they probably go often. I was a little surprised at how low the DSTs are ranked in this game. You don't like these DSTs? I think the Rams are okay. They'll get some pressure on Palmer and some sacks. Like you said, they could wreak havoc on
Starting point is 00:43:11 that offensive line. And the Cardinals, they just give up so much production. It's just ridiculous. Big game. Fun game. Alright, Baltimore-Minnesota. Probably not as fun, but interesting. Especially for the running backs. Stat of the game, the Ravens allow the third most rushing yards per game in the NFL
Starting point is 00:43:30 and the fifth most fantasy points to opposing running backs. However, Le'Veon Bell and Jordan Howard faced the Ravens, and both of those guys had 35 or more carries. That's like two games packed into one. It's going to inflate your stats a little bit. With that said, let's look at all the running backs in this game. Who do you like?
Starting point is 00:43:54 Some good run defenses here with Brandon Williams coming back. I like Jerick McKinnon still. I'll probably bump him down a little bit now that Williams is practicing at full. I still think in this particular game, Javoris Allen is better than Alex Collins because I think they're going to be chasing points and expecting them to throw. I think Collins will still be in that 12 to 15 carry range, so he'll be kind of where he's been the last couple weeks. I don't think he goes back below 10 because Terrence West is not going to play.
Starting point is 00:44:23 But the thing about Collins that we've seen, at this point, you're hoping for a touchdown because he hasn't scored yet and he does nothing in the passing game with no catches. So he's really non-existent in PPR and he's at best a low-end flex in standard. Now again, stash candidate, you should stash him if you can because there's probably big production coming at some point. I just don't know if this is one of those weeks. Okay, Alex Collins or John Brown? John Brown. Alex Collins or a Green Bay running back?
Starting point is 00:44:56 Both Green Bay running backs. Wow, really? I mean, look, Minnesota's run defense is good. Yeah, but so the thing is Collins has actually faced some good run defense. He's been good against every opponent on a per carry basis. Doesn't give you a ton of fantasy points though, as you were saying. I think his ceiling is like six. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:15 All right. Without scoring. If he scores, it's different. Yeah, I hope they just turn him loose, but you have to see it before you buy into that. Now they might just given the fact that their receiving core is so banged up. Yeah. If Macklin and Wallace sit, it would just make sense to be what the Giants were a week ago. Just go balls to the wall, run heavy.
Starting point is 00:45:33 Yeah. Adrian Peterson or Jarek McKinnon? I think you got to go with McKinnon still. Okay. McKinnon, so then you take him over. Would you take him over Melvin Gordon, McKinnon? Yeah. McKinnon, so then you take him over. Would you take him over Melvin Gordon, McKinnon? Yeah. McKinnon's not a bad start.
Starting point is 00:45:48 They're kind of similar in terms of what both guys are going to have to do is make plays in the passing game. But, you know, the thing about it is even though Brandon Williams is back, Urban's still out for them too. And that was a big part of their run defense as well, their defensive end. As far as pass-catching running backs go against Baltimore, they've done pretty well. I mean, Duke Johnson had 59 yards.
Starting point is 00:46:08 Le'Veon had four for 42, but no touchdowns yet. But, you know, you probably get a few catches out of McKinnon, help you in PPR. Minnesota wide – you're not starting the Baltimore wide receivers, obviously. Minnesota wide receivers, what do you think there? I mean, Thielen is the only one because Diggs is probably not going to play. You don't think he'll play? No.
Starting point is 00:46:27 And does that make Thielen a must-start? Yeah. Okay. They've been pretty good against receivers, though. Antonio Brown had three points against the Ravens. A.J. Green had seven. Crabtree had a big game. Yeah, but A.J. Green, that was the game where they got—
Starting point is 00:46:44 that was the last game for Zampezi wasn't it I don't know Nah it was week one Yeah or second last no it was week two right Week two I'll check right now I thought it was week one but You know either way
Starting point is 00:46:59 If Diggs plays do you start Adam Thielen Because he really has not been good with Diggs In the lineup, other than week one when they had Bradford against the Saints. It was week one for AJ Green. I think he's a borderline number two, number three. So just to give you an idea, because he's going to line up in the slot. First two weeks for the—I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:47:24 So week one, they did a good job against Green. Rashard Higgins had seven for 95. You would say that's like an Adam Thielen game right there. But slot receivers, Juju Smith-Schuster, three for 47 in the touchdown. Crabtree, five, six for 82 in touchdown. I mean, you know, it's hard to say that they did well against Cleveland's receivers, Chicago's receivers. Those aren't very good receiving cores.
Starting point is 00:47:51 No, but they did well against Antonio Brown and A.J. Green. Yeah, that's traditional outside number one guys. That's interesting. That's something to watch going forward. That's something to watch going forward for Baltimore. Starter Sid Kyle Rudolph. I would sit if you can. It's hard to sit him, but he's had two good games on the season.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Last two weeks, targets have been okay, but I don't know. I know Baltimore's getting some production tight ends. It just doesn't feel like he's playing very well. Ingram or Rudolph? Oh, Evan Ingram. Braid or Rudolph? Braid still. Kittle or Rudolph?
Starting point is 00:48:25 Kittle. Okay, moving on to our next game. I know a lot of people aren't going to do that, but that's the way I have it ranked. Minnesota DST is top four. Baltimore DST is fifth for Heath, but Dave and Jamie, not huge fans. I don't want to buy into the special teams production from a week ago. Fair enough. They have nine picks in six games. Meanwhile, the Vikings quarterbacks have thrown one interception this year.
Starting point is 00:48:43 They've done a nice job playing keep away. Carolina is at Chicago. And look, this is a tough place to play. Especially for the Panthers' DST. It's kind of an underrated thing, but the DSTs that have been at Chicago haven't really done that well.
Starting point is 00:48:59 The DSTs that have played Chicago in Bears road games have done well. That said, Jamie is Carolina's DST fourth overall. But here's your stat of the game. That will change if Geek was out. Okay. Carolina allows the fourth fewest fantasy points to opposing running backs. Not one running back has scored double-digit fantasy points
Starting point is 00:49:17 in standard scoring leagues against the Panthers, but no running back has more than 14 carries against the Panthers. And we definitely expect that from Jordan Howard probably in the 20s. But, yeah, I mean, Howard, is he going to have a good game? He's amazing to me. I don't know how he does it. He does it every week. He figures out a way to produce.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Is he going to do it again against his Panthers defense? He's a good player and a good offensive line, especially in the interior. Again, it comes down to Keekly. If Keekly's out, like I'm setting a daily lineup right now and Howard was one of the first guys that I looked at. Now, I didn't put him in there because I found
Starting point is 00:49:53 some better options, but he's on the table. He's in my FanDuel lineup, but then I thought if Kuechly's playing, I might remove him for Carlos Hyde. But, I mean, it's going to be tough to sit. It's going to be tough to sit Jordan Howard, but he'll try to be the first running back this year with double-digit fantasy points and standard scoring.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Actually, do you want to start with the Panthers? Trust Cam Newton this week? Yes. Cam or Breeze? Breeze. Cam or Mariota? Cam. All right, Cam is sixth for you, so start Cam Newton.
Starting point is 00:50:25 I'm guessing no Jonathan Stewart? Cam. All right, Cam is sixth for you, so start Cam Newton. I'm guessing no Jonathan Stewart? No. Christian McCaffrey or Jordan Howard? Howard, but I'm getting more excited by McCaffrey because if Kelvin Benjamin's out, you remember the game
Starting point is 00:50:37 where Benjamin got hurt against the Saints? Yeah, 100 yards. He catches for 101 yards. If Stewart and Benjamin are out, then McCaffrey should be a monster. We had this conversation again on the show yesterday, which you'll be a part
Starting point is 00:50:50 of at 12 o'clock. CBSSports.com Would the Panthers give McCaffrey a heavy workload? Would they give him 20 plus touches? Especially running him between tackles. I don't think that would they give him 20-plus touches, especially running him between tackles? I don't think that they would give him the 18-plus carries,
Starting point is 00:51:10 plus nine catches, you know, that type of workload. But I do think that he'd be right around 20 touches, 15 carries or so, five catches, especially if Fozzie Whitaker's also out. Do they have any running backs? He said, you know, Cameron Artis-Payne. I don't know if he's still on the roster. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:28 I mean, for your 16 to 18 team leagues, maybe there's a Panthers running back you could look at. McCaffrey or McKinnon? If those guys are out, then I'll say McCaffrey. But as of now, it's McKinnon. Carolina wide receivers. You know, Benjamin, I think right now you probably got to assume he won't play. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:47 But how much do you like Funchess? Oh, if we don't get – If Benjamin's out. Benjamin out, then Funchess is great. Right now he's the number two receiver. Would you start him over Danny Amendola? Yeah. Even if Benjamin plays. Oh, you would. Okay, would you start him? All right then? Yeah. Even if Benjamin plays.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Oh, you would? Okay, would you start him? All right, then. So we like him. Now, if Benjamin plays, would you start Benjamin? Do you feel comfortable with him? If he plays, yes. But not as confident as I have him ranked right now.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Yeah, I mean, the Bears, they really have done a nice job. They haven't been beaten. The best receivers that they've faced, they've faced Atlanta, Tampa Bay, and Pittsburgh, and Green Bay. So the Bears have faced some of the best wide receivers in football. And they give up big points to those great players, but the non-great ones haven't really gotten the Bears. And it's
Starting point is 00:52:33 weird. They play really well at home. Yeah, I think you've just got to look at the way Cam's been playing and the way is it chicken and egg? Which came first? The receivers playing better or Cam playing better? Ed Dixon, 50% owned. Dixon or Doyle?
Starting point is 00:52:52 Doyle. Okay. Yeah, Dixon, pretty unreliable. The Bears, they've been good against tight ends except Kyle Rudolph. I mean, you look at the Hooper game, he had 18 fantasy points, but we know he had that crazy kind of fluke, like 80-yard touchdown. And going over to the Bears side, anyone that you're starting other than Jordan Howard?
Starting point is 00:53:13 If Kuechly's out, I mean, Zach Miller is, I think, in play. You saw last week that Carson Wentz really attacked the middle of the field once Kuechly left, and they've given up four touchdowns to tight ends in the last two weeks. So I assume, we haven't really seen that with the Bears, especially at home, but I assume that the Panthers will be ahead in this game. And if the Bears are chasing points, maybe we see Trubisky get those targets up to those guys, you know, Miller and Kendall Wright.
Starting point is 00:53:38 But it's hard to say that they're must-start guys in general. You like Miller better than Dixon? I do like Miller better than Dixon, yes. Let's go to Washington, Philadelphia. Pumped for this game. Stat of the game. The Eagles allow the fewest rushing yards per game in the NFL, third fewest fantasy points to opposing running backs.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Running backs average 2.93 yards per carry against the Eagles. What does that mean to you, Jamie? That they're good. For Rob Kelly, for Chris Thompson. Thompson's a must-start guy. Must, must-start guy. I mean, he's their best receiver. And he had 52 yards and a touchdown receiving
Starting point is 00:54:13 in the first game in Week 1 against the Eagles. Also, Andre Ellington, 65 receiving yards. Christian McCaffrey, 56 and a touchdown against the Eagles. So Thompson looks good. Thompson or McCaffrey? Thompson. Thompson. Again, unless those guys are out.
Starting point is 00:54:32 Would you start Thompson over Melvin Gordon? PPR, no. No, there's still too much touchdown potential for Gordon. All right. But what about Rob Kelly if he plays? Sit him? No. Yeah. Number three guy at best. Yeah, it what about Rob Kelly if he plays? Sit him? No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Number three guy at best. Yeah, it's a really good run defense. Kirk Cousins. Start or sit in the Eagles secondary. Getting a little healthier here, but start or sit Kirk Cousins. Yeah, must start guy. I mean, he's playing well the last three games. I think just buy into them potentially.
Starting point is 00:55:03 I think they're going to be chasing points. Cousins or Cam? Cam. And the Redskins wide receivers, are any of them top 24 guys? No. It's weird that Cousins is like a top eight guy or whatever. I mean, Thompson is, like you said, their best receiver. Yeah, you look at it.
Starting point is 00:55:28 It's Vernon Davis getting 60 yards. It's Thompson getting 60-plus yards. It's someone out of Doxon Crowder, Pryor, Reed scoring. It's him running for touchdown. You know what I mean? He's just getting the job done. He looks great, and his receivers are not... There's not one standout guy. I could sit here and say, oh yeah, this is
Starting point is 00:55:51 going to be the week that Doxon breaks out, but we just don't know. This is the week that they turn to Ryan Grant more than the other guys. We just don't know. Do you like Doxon the best of the three receivers? I do like Doxon the best of the three receivers because he's gotten big play against the Raiders three games ago, 52-yard touchdown catch. Had the game-winning touchdown in his hands and an end zone target against the Chiefs on a play that you can argue 50-50 chance to make that catch. Scored the touchdown last week in their last three games. So in the money plays, he's getting opportunities. Unfortunately, he's just not getting a ton of targets. So that means sit Terrell Pryor.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Doxon or Nelson Aguilar? Aguilar. The game really changes if Norman and Breland play, especially Norman. I don't think for Aguilar, though. No, but for Jeffrey. Yeah, for Jeffrey. I went originally from the start of the week, beginning of the week, with Jeffrey ranked right around 23, 24.
Starting point is 00:56:49 With the thought of both those guys missing, I put him inside my top ten. Okay. So if Norman plays, he's definitely going to get downgraded, and that's why you're going to have to listen to our mailbag show, but also the Sunday morning FFT video show, 11 a.m. Eastern. And Saturday Night Radio. Saturday Night Radio, CBS Sports Radio, Ion Fantasy Football, Jamie and Heath on the show, 10 p.m. Eastern until midnight. Jordan Reed or Vernon Davis?
Starting point is 00:57:15 It's so funny that that's where we're at. Davis has been the better of the two, but I still think I'll take Reed's potential. Jordan Reed or Jack Doyle? Doyle. Wow. I'll take a lot of these waiver wire guys over Jordan Reed at this point. I'll take George Kittle over him. I'll take Nick O'Leary over him.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Nick O'Leary, wow. I'll take Zach Miller over him. These guys are just in better situations right now. Now, again, we saw what a good quarterback leading on his tight end could be Thursday night with Jared Cook. And so this could be one of those games where Reed breaks out. But it's hard to trust. Okay, Jamie, let's go to the Eagles. Carson Wentz is top five for you and Dave.
Starting point is 00:57:55 There you go. He's ninth for Heath. I just want to say I'm absolutely starting him. Redskins haven't allowed multiple touchdown passes since Wentz in week one. And he's not throwing a lot. He almost feels a little sell high to me. He's been getting kind of lucky, but at the same time, I think Carson Wentz is a really good player.
Starting point is 00:58:15 He's great. I sold him. I don't know if I sold him high. I think I got a fair deal out of it. For a team that's quarterback needy, I got Tevin Coleman and Devin Funches. So I think it's a fair deal. deal out of it. For a team that's quarterback needy, I got Tevin Coleman and Devin Funches. So, I think it's a fair deal. But,
Starting point is 00:58:30 I think you're looking at it as, because it's hard to trade quarterbacks. That's just the thing that we see. It's very difficult, especially to do two-for-one type of trades. But, he's just good.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Like last week, he had a lot of short fields, so I think that led to some minimal passing situations, but I also think those short fields helped him because of the situations he was in. It's just one of those things where you see that sometimes there's a guy that has an it factor, and I feel really bad for Browns fans because they have to look at Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson week after week after week
Starting point is 00:59:04 and see these guys just make play after play after play and knowing they could have had one of the two. Well, they got David Njoku. It's okay. All right, so we're starting Carson Wentz. Now the running backs for the Eagles, Jamie, who do you like better, Blunt or Smallwood? Well, we still have to make sure that Smallwood is in,
Starting point is 00:59:18 so that's still something you have to keep an eye on, but it's trending that way. I still think you should start Blunt for sure in standard leagues because he'll get the goal line opportunities. And keep in mind, when everybody was healthy, which means Darren Sproles, Blunt had a receiving touchdown in this week one game. So that's completely fluky, but it still happened. I think in PPR it becomes a different conversation
Starting point is 00:59:42 because Blunt is going to lose those snaps. So he's more of a number two, for sure, flex option in PPR. But in standard, he's hard to get away from. And I think in PPR you can look at Smallwood as a flex. Look, Garrett Blunt or Alvin Kamara, PPR? I would take Kamara, I think, in both formats, to be honest with you. Okay, I didn't talk about the Saints running backs. I forgot about them, but they're good starts, right?
Starting point is 01:00:11 Yeah, for sure. I mean, Mark Ingram, originally I had him ranked as my number one running back for the week. All right, two-minute warning, Jamie. We're going a little long, as always. We've got two games left. Let's see if we can get them done in two minutes or less per game. But, hey, let's be ambitious here.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Dallas at San Francisco. This is the bonanza. Start Dak Prescott. Start Ezekiel Elliott. Start Des Bryant. Anybody else for Dallas? Nope, not as a must-start guy. Witten is a borderline starter, but he's just so hit or miss.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Okay, CJ Beathard is 17th, 20th, 18th. He's around there. Got a chance here. San Francisco running backs. What do you think about the San Francisco running backs? Sean Lee is going to play in this game. Yeah, Hyde's a must-start guy. You know, I think we've seen, even last week, tough matchup.
Starting point is 01:00:52 He got you 75 total yards, did a great job in the passing game. Always a threat to score. Home game for them after three straight road games. And even when Lee was playing in the beginning of the season, they still gave up touchdowns to running backs. So it's not like he's the end-all, be-all run-stopper. Carlos Hyde or Jay Ajayi? Ajayi.
Starting point is 01:01:11 Carlos Hyde or Alvin Kamara? Ajayi. Carlos Hyde or Devontae Adams? Ajayi. The guy that I'll probably struggle with just with the news of Brandon Williams is McKinnon or Hyde. Right now I have McKinnon ranked higher. I'm going to move that down.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Okay. And Pierre Garçon, by the way, Dave just responded to the No Touchdowns Club email. He's taking Jay Ajayi. So now I have to pick somebody else. So Heath took Julio, you took McCoy, or you took Julio, Heath took McCoy, whatever. I took Ajayi. Now Dave's got Ajayi. I'm not going to take Pierre Garçon.
Starting point is 01:01:44 I'm not sure he's going to score, but slot-wide receivers have done well. So you like him as a number two. And then, yeah, we've spoken about George Kittle, top 15 guy. Good flyer for you there. Seattle at the Giants. And let's see where we start with this one. Well, start all Seahawks at all Giants. Actually, no. I think that's stupid. Any Giants that you want to start. all Seahawks and all Giants. Actually, no.
Starting point is 01:02:05 I think that's stupid. Any Giants that you want to start. Let's start with that. Any Giants you want to start. Yeah, I don't have Russell Wilson ranked very high, but I'll probably move him up a couple spots just to move Palmer down. So he's top 10 guy. Giants, though.
Starting point is 01:02:17 Sorry. Start with any Giants that you want to start. Oh, I'm sorry. Look, if you need Orland's dark one this week, he's the best bet. But if Shepard plays, he's probably going to deal with Richard Sherman for some part of the game. Still, I don't know if Jeremy Lane's back. He might play. Huh?
Starting point is 01:02:35 He might play. Yeah, I would expect that the Seahawks coming off of a bye week, they really do make the attempt to slow down the Giants' run game. We know the Giants have not been a good run team for the season, but their last two games, they've run the ball very well. Against the Chargers two weeks ago, against the Broncos last week. They've turned the corner a little bit in that
Starting point is 01:02:55 regard. You have to figure that Seattle's seen that as well, so that's going to be their focal point. Evan Ingram is a top 10 guy, but Darkwa is 28th or so. Darkwa or Frank Gore? Darkwa. Darkwa or Rob Kelly if he plays?
Starting point is 01:03:12 Darkwa. All right. Darkwa or Thomas Rawls or Eddie Lacy? Darkwa. Really? Okay. Yeah. I'm confident Thomas Rawls rest of season.
Starting point is 01:03:23 I don't know about this particular week. So Rawls is kind of, I don't want to say like a dart throw, but he's just, he's not guaranteed to get the whole workload, especially if CJ Proseis is back. I'm going to take Damaris Thomas, by the way, in the no touchdown club. He's going to be my guy. Jimmy Graham is also going to score a touchdown this week, Jamie. Book it.
Starting point is 01:03:46 I think that's a very good call. He's in to be my guy. Jimmy Graham is also going to score a touchdown this week, Jamie. Book it. I think that's a very good call. He's in my fan duel lineup. Giants have allowed seven touchdowns to tight ends. So, you know, Wilson, it's a tough matchup for him, but he's going to be in your top ten? Yeah, I think so, you know, especially if Vernon's out again. You know, that certainly helps. I don't
Starting point is 01:04:02 love it for him. No, it's tough. Honestly, I wish if I could go back, I would have ranked Alex love it for him. No, it's tough. Honestly, I wish if I could go back, I would have ranked Alex Smith out of him. Tyrod Taylor or Wilson? That's the one I've gone back and forth with. I think there's more upside with Taylor. Doug Baldwin, start or sit? I think he's the number two receiver. The ideal
Starting point is 01:04:19 situation for them. This is going to be interesting. You probably have more, at least been paying attention to him more than I have. Will the Giants appease Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie and take him out of covering slot receivers? No. No. I don't think so. I think he'll cover the slot.
Starting point is 01:04:35 Eli Apple played great last week. That was a huge development for them. He played great against the Broncos. He'd been a real liability. But I think it's going to be tough sledding for Baldwin. I mean, I traded McKinnon for Baldwin. I'm going to lose that matchup this week, I think. But, you know, hopefully it's a long-term play for me.
Starting point is 01:04:53 Yeah. All right, Jamie, I'll give a fan to a lineup. Oh, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Let me just tell you something real quick because I know you'll be interested in this. Russell Wilson off of a bye week, averaging 24.6 fantasy points in his last five.
Starting point is 01:05:07 10, 18, 38, 34, 23. So as he's getting older, he's getting better coming off of that preparation week. They have a great coaching staff, and I think they can fix a lot of things. And that's why I called Doug Baldwin a good bye low two weeks ago because they did it a couple years ago. They had the best offense in football, I think, after their bye. All right, FanDuel, I got Dak, Ingram, and Jordan Howard, A.J. Green, Dez Bryant, Rashard Matthews, I think is a steal at 5,500,
Starting point is 01:05:37 Jimmy Graham, Dan Bailey, and the Bills. Prescott, Ingram, Jordan Howard, A.J. Green, Dez Bryant, Rashard Matthews, Jimmy Graham, Dan Bailey, and the Bills. I could also see myself going with Carlos Hyde over Jordan Howard if Luke Keekly plays. That would be it. There you go. All right. Watch Fantasy Football today. You can see my mug.
Starting point is 01:05:58 I got to go shave. See you later, Jamie. Bye.

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