Fantasy Football Today - 10/23: Midseason Mock Draft; Playoff Schedules; Regulators (Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: October 23, 2019

Let's review the big news (3:25) with fresh takes on the Lions backfield, the Emmanuel Sanders trade and if Chase Edmonds can be trusted in a series of brutal matchups assuming David Johnson is out ...... Mid-season mock draft (11:00)! We reveal some of the results (which you can see on cbssports.com/fantasy) and within this we talk about Buy Low/Sell High candidates. Are Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins ready to produce like first round picks? What about James Conner? We debate Aaron Jones' rest of season value as we discuss the Round 2 RBs (23:50) and talk trade including our takes on the Rams WRs ... Previewing WAS-MIN (42:15) and wondering if Terry McLaurin is OK to start and if Kirk Cousins will throw enough to be a Top 12 QB. Then we're doing some Fantasy Regulatin' (52:00), answering your Apple Podcasts questions (55:00) and telling you which players have the best Fantasy playoff matchups (58:30) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. All right, everybody. Are you ready to review a mock draft in October? Yeah, that's right. We did a mock draft on Monday. It was really fun. It was really slow, even though Ben Gretsch thought it would be really quick. He was wrong.
Starting point is 00:01:36 Welcome to the show. It is Wednesday. It's almost Halloween. Heath's least favorite day of the year. So I'm just going to troll everybody today. I'm Adam Azer. And of course, on this Wednesday morning, the Heath is on. Hey, Heath, any Ty Johnson in your life after yesterday's waiver wire? I believe I acquired zero Ty Johnson yesterday, which he wasn't a huge priority for me. There was one league where I really needed a running
Starting point is 00:02:03 back. And so I tried to I think I put put 20% bid in, and somebody got him for 40. I'm just not sure he's very good. I'm not sure the situation is very good, and I'm not sure he's going to have a very big chunk of it. There's a chance Kenyon Drake ends up on the Lions. There's a chance JD McKissick's just better, so I didn't make him that big of a priority. i think i got jd mckissick in just about every single one of my leagues so i let everybody else have ty john i bid on johnson it just didn't work how do you feel about that but betty and the gretch i feel pretty good i just want to clarify uh for the record the you know the mock draft's only going to be as fast as the people that are in it i never really thought it was going to be that fast unless we actually tried to make it fast.
Starting point is 00:02:46 That was kind of a mess. I think you said something like every pick could take about 10 seconds. Yeah. That was the high end. If we could average that, I was trying to push people to actually be ready and have lists made so they could pick quick. I think all my picks averaged 10 seconds, and Heath's— Yeah, mine may have. I kind of hated Ben over this whole thing,
Starting point is 00:03:10 but it's over with now, and so I don't hate him anymore. I'm back to hating Adam for his terrible, terrible movie takes on Twitter. I love the idea that you come up with this category that you've created of action movies that don't include superhero or sci-fi movies except for kind of sci-fi movies that you don't include superhero or sci-fi movies except for kind of sci-fi movies that you don't think are quite sci-fi enough. Look, you know an action movie when you see it.
Starting point is 00:03:32 And Terminator 2 is an action movie. There's no question about it. I mean, I know it's a little bit sci-fi. So are all of the Avenger movies. But they deserve their own category. You can't really have an action category yes they are a subcategory of action sure they yes you you aren't doing them justice you can't rank the avengers with schwarzenegger movies you just can't do it they're completely different because they're
Starting point is 00:03:56 all better than the schwarzenegger movies dumb oh wow all right let's go through the news and notes then we're going to talk about the top 100 for the rest of the season, which is basically what we accomplished when we did our mock draft. And of course, in our mock draft, which we started on Sunday night, actually, and finished on Monday before the Jets-Patriots game, Ben went 1RB and Heath went 0RB, which is kind of interesting since those strategies have somewhat blown up in our faces this year, mostly because the wide receivers at the top have been a little disappointing.
Starting point is 00:04:26 But we'll see how that worked out. But Kerryon Johnson's on IR, and Ty Johnson, J.D. McKissick, possibly Trey Carson could get in there. They've got the Giants this week and the Raiders next week. We know the setup. We've talked about it.
Starting point is 00:04:39 We talked about it on two podcast episodes yesterday because we had the bonus pod. Is there anything we need to add about this situation? I did want to go through the bids in some of our leagues uh in the sorry in the military league i believe which is a 12 team fab league ty johnson went for 27 dollars all these are hundred dollar budgets in the two quarterback league, Ty Johnson went for $20. In the 10-team league that we're in, Ty Johnson... And the two-quarterback league is
Starting point is 00:05:11 12 teams. In the 10-team league that we're in, Ty Johnson went for $29. So there you go. 20% to 30% of the original budget. Of course, got a text from one of our listeners said he went for $84 out of $100 So I think We were a little bit more cautious with him
Starting point is 00:05:28 And Yeah, McKissick I took for like $6 In some leagues I don't know. Ben, you haven't gotten a word in on this Go ahead I don't know that I have a ton to add From the conventional wisdom Kerryon Johnson, it took him a year to just be
Starting point is 00:05:43 To get a chance to be the lead back I expect there to be a committee and i mean i think mckissick will be kind of the receiving back and i think carson has a chance to work into a role too i don't really know that that ty johnson was worth like a especially my 84 dollars no no uh arizona signed alfred morris so heath what does that tell you about david johnson chase edmunds is uh yeah as they get ready for the saints the only thing it really tells me for sure is that they don't know for sure that david johnson's okay this doesn't necessarily tell me he's not going to play this week i think it probably helps fantasy owners in that with alfred on the roster, if David Johnson shouldn't play, he'll probably be inactive now, which would be nice of Arizona to do.
Starting point is 00:06:31 Boy, what a shame. Which why? Yeah, go ahead. He started the game on Sunday. Yeah, look, Dave and Jamie kind of debated this. I think there's a good chance he re-aggravated the injury. He had to have. You would think.
Starting point is 00:06:52 By the way, for Arizona, unless I'm looking at their schedule wrong, I'll have to pull it up, but they've got four of the toughest run defenses in football coming up, plus a bye. They've got the Saints, the Bucs, and the Niners twice, and then a bye. That's their next five weeks. So I know that David Johnson would be a must-start regardless of schedule. Is Chase Edmonds also, if Johnson's out, a must-start regardless of schedule?
Starting point is 00:07:18 I don't know about must-start. Depends on your options. But I think you're hoping, essentially, from a fantasy touch value perspective, that he works into a role similar to what Austin Eckler had had, I would say, in 2017 and 18 behind Melvin Gordon, where Eckler got, you know, eight to ten touches. But a lot of them were those high value touches we talk about. He'd catch a lot of passes. He'd get some red zone work. I mean, if David Johnson's out, I'm sorry. I don't mean in conjunction with David Johnson. Oh.
Starting point is 00:07:45 I mean would you trust him in these brutal matchups? Saints, Bucs, Niners, Bucs. Would you trust him the way you would trust David Johnson essentially or slightly less? Yeah. No. I'm sorry. Yeah. Tough matchups.
Starting point is 00:07:59 It's still a high-paced offense. They're still going to run a ton of plays. I'd play Edmonds every single week without Johnson. Yeah, give me Chase Edmonds against the four most difficult matchups over Ty Johnson against the four most easy matchups. Ooh, I like that. Okay. San Francisco got Emmanuel Sanders.
Starting point is 00:08:19 We did react to this yesterday, but in case you didn't hear it, Heath, what's your take on Emmanuel Sanders going to the 49ers? I'm generally pessimistic about wide receivers changing teams in the middle of the season. And he's going to a team that has only thrown 168 passes. It's the fewest. And you might think that's because they've had a bye already. It's the fewest per game as well. They just are not throwing the football.
Starting point is 00:08:42 Oh, I think Minnesota has fewer now. I may maybe maybe i did that math wrong but that second second fewest well you got me um they don't throw the football i'm still right yeah and what's worse is like minnesota throws it to their wide receivers a lot fewer than 50 of their passes have gone to wide receivers because of george kittle and kyle shanahan's, liking to involve the running backs. That should go up a little bit with Sanders being there, but I really see like the upside being a low end number two wide receiver in this offense. And I wouldn't expect that with his first week with the team.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Okay. And Cortland Sutton, hopefully just keeps it going on pace for 82 catches, 1300 yards and seven touchdowns. The only thing I worry about, and I liked the rocket ship going on there with Ben. I think that's what that was. Like a rocket ship emoji on a podcast is a hard thing to pull off, but Ben did it. I don't know that there's a lot of room for more targets for Cortland Sutton.
Starting point is 00:09:42 I think he was already at 28% of the team's targets. So my only concern would be that without Emmanuel Sanders on the other side, he gets of room for more targets for Cortland Sutton. I think he was already at 28% of the team's targets. So my only concern would be that without Emmanuel Sanders on the other side, he gets double teamed more often and his targets stay similar and his efficiency goes down a little bit, but he's got room to come down and still be a high end number two wide receiver rest of the season. Right. I mean, part of it is like, he's been so good already that it just kind of solidifies that that's going to continue without that, that second potential number one competing with him. Yeah, I think the only thing that might derail him would be Drew Locke. And hopefully that doesn't happen for Cortland Sutton.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Other things we're going to talk about today, we do have one regulators I want to get to. We got your emails on the Apple podcast or your Apple podcast questions. We have some fill in the blank that I'm hoping to get to. We will preview the Thursday night game, Minnesota and Washington. And speaking of which Adrian Peterson says he plans to play this week. Chris Thompson, probably not going to play.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Josh Norman may not play. Adam Thielen didn't practice, but there's hope that he's going to play. So we do have some injury questions to get to. And Kirk Cousins top 12 quarterback this week for everyone, which I think is very, very interesting because I thought Heath wasn't going to have him that high based on what you said on Sunday. But you'll have a chance to talk about that.
Starting point is 00:10:53 Just the fact that you thought they'd be able to run the ball over the Redskins and that's that. Cleveland could be interested in Giants left tackle Nate Solder if they can't get Trent Williams, according to Jason LaConfora. The Colts should get Malik Hooker back this week, and Sterling Shepard says it's just a matter of returning this week or next week. That's what Sterling Shepard says.
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Starting point is 00:12:15 Six point per passing touchdown, right, Ben? Yeah, we didn't even actually establish that, but sure. So before we get into the results you know i took running backs with my first two picks i had the fourth pick i took zeke and then i took aaron jones and then ben you had the sixth pick and heath had the eighth pick you guys went ben took went one rb he went with levy on bell at six overall and then not another running back until round seven. And Heath, you went zero RB. You didn't take a running back until round
Starting point is 00:12:50 six. So talk about that guys. Considering that hasn't been a good strategy so far this year, I don't think anyway. Why'd you do it, Ben? I don't know that I'm ready to say it hasn't been a good strategy this year. It depends on which players you drafted, obviously.
Starting point is 00:13:07 It has not been as good of a strategy as I expected. But I still think maybe the people that took Juju Smith-Schuster don't have much of an out now. But if you drafted Michael Thomas and DeAndre Hopkins, I think you're probably going to be okay. If you drafted Michael Thomas and Julio Jones or even Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins, I think you're probably going to be okay. If you drafted Michael Thomas and Julio Jones or even Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins, I think you're probably going to be okay because there have been a ton of running backs that were drafted in that zero running back range that are really helping you out. I didn't go into this draft thinking I was going to draft a zero running back team. I had zero strategy whatsoever. I just, when it was my turn, picked what I thought was the best player left, and this is the way it ended up. I think that probably tells you that running backs went
Starting point is 00:13:48 pretty quickly in this draft. The first, I think, seven or eight picks in the draft were running backs, and that's a reaction to what's happened so far. I couldn't pass up Michael Thomas with the running backs that were left, especially in PPR. There's nothing safer than Michael Thomas being a number one wide receiver in PPR. Yeah, I like the way your team turned out, actually, because you have four running backs that you took in rounds 6, 7, 8, and 9 that get work.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Royce Freeman, Jordan Howard, Matt Breida, and Tariq Cohen, and it's PPR. So, you know, you have Michael Thomas, Tyreek Hill, and Tyler Lockett, plus Lamar Jackson, who could be the number one quarterback, and Darren Waller. Royce Freeman, Jordan Howard, Tyreek Hill, and Tyler Lockett, plus Lamar Jackson, who could be the number one quarterback, and Darren Waller, Royce Freeman, Jordan Howard, Matt Breida, Tariq Cohen. I mean, I guess you could get by like that.
Starting point is 00:14:31 It's just you need your wide receivers to be good. And one of your wide receivers is Tyreek Hill, who's with Outma Holmes for maybe three or more games. And then Tyler Lockett could get four targets a week. So, you know, you need them to hit. Well, we can say that. He could have a week get four targets a week. So, you know, you need them to hit. Well, we can say that. He could have a week with four targets, sure, but he's been a top eight wide receiver so far this season.
Starting point is 00:14:53 Yeah, he was an easy third-round pick. No, I don't mind a pick. You took him. I think he's had. I feel like you should have taken T.Y. Hilton. Hilton went one pick after. Those are the two I was considering where I took Kittle, and this we did before the Emmanuel Sanders trade.
Starting point is 00:15:09 I probably would have taken one of them at my pick in the third round as well. Yeah, lock it over Hilton. I know we didn't have a list. We didn't have a draft room, so I guess it could have been a little tricky to keep track of who was there. Oh, yeah, most of the time i had no idea who was there and often regretted my pick three picks later did you regret that if you could do it again would you take hilton over lockett i think if only because hilton's already had his bye week
Starting point is 00:15:34 right yes that would be the only reason yes i think they're kind of the same guy now the thing is it's weird about ty hilton he's not being targeted the way he was when Andrew Luck was quarterback. His yards per target, yards per reception have cratered. He's just scoring a lot of touchdowns. And I do worry. I don't expect Jacoby Brissett to have a 7% touchdown rate the rest of the season. And when that normalizes, I do worry that T.Y. Hilton won't be as good as he's been so far. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Yeah, I think he's getting a pretty good amount of red and green zone targets. All right, Ben, your team, Le'Veon Bell. So I got to ask you about that because, first of all, here's what's really intriguing about running backs right now. There is a well-established narrative that being on a good offense is good for running backs, right? Well, if you look at PPR, if you look at the top 12 running backs in PPR so far,
Starting point is 00:16:30 on a per-game basis, so not factoring in the by, or I guess factoring in, but with the per-game basis, there are only four running backs in the top 12 right now that are on top 15 offenses. And then Kamara is on the number 16 scoring offense. So that is amazing. Like, Austin Eckler and Nick Chubb are
Starting point is 00:16:50 top five running backs, and their offenses rank 23rd in scoring. Leonard Fournette's 20th. David Johnson's 17th. James Conner, 21st ranked offense. Josh Jacobs, 18th. Saquon Barkley, 25th. So, kind of, but Le'Veon Bell is not in the top 12, by the way so i was surprised
Starting point is 00:17:06 you took him as what the sixth running back off the board you took him ahead of four net you took him ahead of david johnson who is hurt you took him ahead of james how were you surprised ben's been saying for six weeks that he's buying all of the jets well yeah but i mean like you took him ahead of nick chubb and leon Fournette that that surprised me okay yeah uh I mean so first of all like you had a lot of a lot of good thoughts there first of all the I would reject the idea that the that we're looking I would challenge the narrative that running backs need to be on good offenses in 2019 because there's a lot more pass heavy teams and we want the running backs on teams that are willing to give the ball to their running backs need to be on good offenses in 2019, because there's a lot more pass heavy teams. And we want the running backs on teams that are willing to give the ball to their running backs,
Starting point is 00:17:48 but also there's a lot more committees and we want running backs that are going to see the majority of their work. So on their offense. So it almost doesn't matter if the offense is really good, like say the Patriots, if they're using three, four running backs, we're not going to take those guys in the first round.
Starting point is 00:18:04 So in this, it's definitely a positive point when you're talking about a guy like Ezekiel Elliott or Alvin Kamara that they're on good offenses. It's not the only thing. Saquon Barkley was a top two running back in every format last year on one of the worst offenses in the league because he got so much work. First of all, they actually were 17th in scoring. They weren't that bad. And Christian McCaffrey was also on a team that was like 17th in scoring.
Starting point is 00:18:25 But that was very unusual. But no, your point is taken. I mean, maybe it just doesn't apply to the landscape that we're seeing right now and times are changing. I'm just pointing out that typically you would not see only four of the top 15 offenses represented in the top 12 running backs. That's what I'm saying. It's unusual what we're seeing so far. But Bell over Chubb and Fournette is a little surprising to me. So the Bell pick, I mean, yeah, we've talked about it a ton.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Number one, I don't think anything that he's done to date is really indicative of what he's going to be as a player. It's very similar to what we were talking about with Fournette a few weeks back. And a few weeks back before Fournette started producing, I was writing about that in ceiling signals every week saying his workload is massive. He's playing every snap. He's running routes on every drop back. You don't see a ton of running backs that have workloads like this. That gives him kind of a script proof profile where he's going to put up stats in the running game if they're leading in the passing game if they're trailing. Le'Veon Bell has the exact same scenario, but he's also been playing with Luke Falk.
Starting point is 00:19:30 You know, Darnold's been out for several weeks they've had a i don't know that their schedule has actually been particularly tough to date but obviously they had a tough game in week seven against new england in new england and they have an absolutely cake schedule the rest of the way which is the biggest reason they start against jacksonville this week but they get miami twice in the next couple months they get washington and the giants and oakland and like just pretty much every bad defense you can imagine so yeah i do have a schedule he's gonna play every down he's gonna run routes he's gonna get a huge percentage of their goal line work until this last game he had scored in both of darnold starts and then and then the jets had a really bad game against the patriots but most of his bad production today has just been because the offense has been awful but it should be better especially in these matchups
Starting point is 00:20:07 and with donald on our center so you made this pick before the jets and patriots played on monday night this was a sunday night pick yeah if this draft had started like in the third quarter of monday night football and you had seen you were experiencing what sam darnold and the jets were doing, is it possible you would have taken Nick Chubb or Leonard Fournette? I may have taken Fournette. Chubb, I'm worried about Kareem Hunt. He's going to be back in the next couple of weeks. I think Chubb is very good, and there's a good chance that he could keep the job. But Kareem Hunt's no pushover, and I think he might work in. So it would have been Fournette
Starting point is 00:20:41 if it wasn't Bell for me. Okay. So the first round looked like this. McCaffrey, Barkley, Cook, Zeke, Kamara. And guys, Dalvin Cook's number two for me. He should go ahead of Barkley. I agree with that. I don't see why not. Is Kamara worth it? Yeah, I kind of agree with it too.
Starting point is 00:21:01 But I was just going to say that top five where you stopped, I think is like the clearest part of this. We have like a clear top five, which is interesting. It's the top four that we knew coming in plus Cook. Yeah, but is Kamara worthy of a top five pick right now, given the injury? Yeah, because Breeze might even be back. I mean, I'm assuming that camara's injury is not going to
Starting point is 00:21:25 cost him several more weeks but uh breeze should be back as well which is going to be huge for camara yeah if you just told me for sure i don't get alvin camara for the next two weeks um but then i get him back after that which i think is the most likely scenario there's not another running back i would take over him right and then you say two. That's only one game because they have a bye next week, and then hopefully he's back and certainly Bree's back after the bye. Okay, the rest of round one is Le'Veon Bell, Nick Chubb, Michael Thomas. Remember, it's three receivers in PPR. Leonard Fournette, David Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, and James Conner.
Starting point is 00:22:03 And the first pick of round two is Julio Jones and just real quick Heath with with Will Fuller out now for a few weeks with Muhammad Sanu out on the Patriots now are DeAndre Hopkins and Julio Jones you know ready to be first round pick you know
Starting point is 00:22:21 caliber player perform like first round picks I believe they are I think the running back run should have ended first-round pick caliber player, perform like first-round picks? I believe they are. I think the running back run should have ended after Leonard Fournette. I'm not 100% sure it should have included Nick Chubb, but he's very, very close. In PPR, I probably would have taken both Hopkins and Julio over Chubb. I definitely would have taken both of them over David Johnson and James Connor at this point with what we know.
Starting point is 00:22:49 Neither of those running backs are fully healthy. It's a PPR format and both Hopkins and Jones should be trending in the right direction now. I'm going to ask you all about the running backs in a moment. Cause I think I do think, yeah, as, as Ben was saying,
Starting point is 00:23:04 after those top five, you know, pick six and be a little tricky. The next three running Ben was saying, after those top five, pick six can be a little tricky. The next three running backs off the board after the top five running backs were Le'Veon Bell, Nick Chubb, and Leonard Fournette. And then you start looking at James Conner, start looking at Chris Carson, who's got a brutal schedule coming up, Aaron Jones, Josh Jacobs was a second round pick. We'll talk about that, but I need to tell you about Lightstream. Most people carry a balance on their credit cards and the APR on those is over 20%
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Starting point is 00:24:49 that were either really good picks or really questionable picks? Starting with James Conner and going through the end of, like going up to Todd Gurley, I guess. So it's Conner as RB9. Carson. Josh Jacobs. Aaron Jones, Marlon Mack, Todd Gurley. And then there was a bit of a gap before I think we got to, like,
Starting point is 00:25:14 Mark Ingram late in the third round. Well, that gap I think is really interesting. So part of the reason I think the running backs went so heavy in the first round, and we had 10 in the first round out of 12 picks is because and we talked about this last week a little bit um there's there's the running backs that we know have these stable workloads and we have to assume are going to be pretty solid the rest of the season um even guys in bad offices like the levy on bells and then there's a lot of uncertain situations and it's interesting 10 running backs won the first round 10 combined over the next three rounds and everyone in the draft pretty much shifted to receivers and eventually some of the elite tight ends so i think that's a really interesting trend that we saw here
Starting point is 00:25:54 where um i i tend to agree with heath that guys like julio jones and deandre hopkins are probably a little bit more valuable than some of those back-end running backs but i think scarcity of the top-end running backs at this point in the season was a really big takeaway here and was part of the reason that guys like hopkins and julio jones got pushed down a little bit uh as far as the specific backs that you asked about like i didn't want to take you know josh jacobs or todd girley i'm not like fully confident in those workloads um you know marlon mack some of these guys are a little bit more on the trap side i've talked about high value touches uh i'm concerned about you know josh jacobs has had a decent receiving role marlon mack has had a decent receiving role but they don't run huge route shares
Starting point is 00:26:33 aaron jones obviously sharing with jamal williams i think it's really tough to know from that point forward like who was going to be the productive backs and that was a big reason i went away from from running back after i took a top end one in the first round but you don't have any good running backs like you have levy on bell and you have miles sanders and damian williams like you can't start miles sanders and damian williams i don't so i don't think you have to have an elite second running back to win in fantasy actually you don't have a good second running back you don't need one my my absolute best fan those are both high upside plays, Miles Sanders and Damian Williams.
Starting point is 00:27:07 They're both guys that are in pretty good offenses. They've been catching passes. If they earn more of the work, if something happens to Jordan Howard or if something happens to LaShawn McCoy, I don't like either of them right now either. But in the seventh or the ninth round, we're talking about 100 picks into drafts, their value is depressed at that point.
Starting point is 00:27:20 And they both have upside down the stretch. What are you saying? Your best teams don't my best team that i drafted this offseason it was interesting that you noted that these strategies haven't really worked was a one running back strategy i actually took dalvin cook in the second round and yeah if you hit on dalvin cook you hit on dalvin cook but i took juju smith schuster in the first round and like i don't even play him i took a bunch of receivers after that and i have a really good when you start three receivers in a flex like we're doing in this format I have a really good three receiver tight end flex combination with one good running back and I mix and match my second running back and it doesn't really need to be a productive spot in your lineup I don't I think we talked about this since the offseason people really try to get running back depth if you have one good running back and you're only weak at that second running back spot and you're strong everywhere else,
Starting point is 00:28:05 you can still put up good fantasy totals. It's not like the points count different when they come from running back. Yeah, I got you. So let's focus a little on buy low, sell high,
Starting point is 00:28:15 since that's what we do on the Wednesday show. And then you look at this draft board, Heath. Did you see anybody that maybe was underdrafted that you could see as a buy low or someone who's overdrafted that you could see as a buy low or someone who's overdrafted that
Starting point is 00:28:25 you could see as a sell high uh i got it i got a couple of names here but i'll throw it to you first i the thing i thought was really interesting is the packers and the broncos situations i view them pretty similarly in terms of the running backs i think they're both hot hand situations all four running backs can be useful, at least as flexes, possibly as number two running backs on a week-to-week basis. And both of the lead running backs have a little bit of a weight holding their value down. They were not drafted like that at all. And I think it's probably because Aaron Jones had such a good bounce-back game,
Starting point is 00:28:59 because he would not have gone this high if we'd done this immediately after week six. But Jones went in the second round. Jamal Williams went in the seventh. You look at the Broncos. Philip Lindsay went in the fourth round. Royce Freeman went in the sixth. I think that they should be closer together like that. But I still, like, I think Philip Lindsay's a pretty good buy low right now.
Starting point is 00:29:20 I still expect him to have good weeks more often than not. I think it seems like Jamal Williams must have gone the opposite direction. So I'd probably buy low on him right now, I still expect him to have good weeks more often than not. I think it seems like Jamal Williams must have gone the opposite direction, so I'd probably buy low on him right now. And it may be a good time to sell high on Aaron Jones, if that's the perception of him, that he's all of a sudden a top 10 running back again. Or a top 12 running back again.
Starting point is 00:29:38 I took him. I don't see a running back that went after Aaron Jones that I would rather have, other than maybe Todd Gurley. He went to two. He was four picks later, five picks later, but he was a second runner. So it was Aaron Jones, then Marlon Mack, then Todd Gurley. I just felt like running back gets kind of scary after that.
Starting point is 00:29:58 And yeah, you're talking about a timeshare. Everybody's basically in a timeshare except for Mack and Gurley. But yeah, I could see that, you know, in PPR, I didn't really want Mack, but I could see the case for Gurley over Jones. But Gurley is just running the ball so poorly. Jones is on this great offense. He's scoring a lot. He's a top five running back right now on a per game basis, Aaron Jones.
Starting point is 00:30:17 He's had four catches, two straight weeks. So I still like him. I don't dislike him, but I just think that his value is closer to williams in this draft suggested and i what ben was talking about was in this range is when everybody else was taking wide receivers and the elite tight ends and the choice that you made basically was aaron jones and courtland sutton over philip lindsey and either davante adams Keenan Allen, or Odell Beckham. And I think Lindsay is closer to Jones than Sutton is to those three wide receivers. That's a good point. If Philip Lindsay doesn't get the work inside the five-yard line,
Starting point is 00:31:00 then he's not somebody I'm interested in starting. Because that was the one thing that propped him up. And last week, Royce Freeman got the goal line touchdown. So if that starts to be a split inside the five, then that's a big problem. But you would have had the similar concerns about Aaron Jones. These situations are going to fluctuate week to week. The larger trend over the season is that Philip Lindsay has gotten the work inside the five, and Philip Lindsay's seen slightly more touches and more than 15 in almost every game.
Starting point is 00:31:30 He's going to have a bad game when he's in this type of situation where Freeman gets the hot hand. It's the offenses. It's not, though. The offenses don't matter. Joe Flacco is throwing more passes to the running backs than PPR. They're not scoring. They don't score as much. I'm going to go with the guy in the Packers offense over the guy in the Broncos offense.
Starting point is 00:31:48 I mean, everybody's taking Aaron Jones ahead of Philip Lindsay. I get that. I'm not saying to take Lindsay ahead of Jones. I'm saying I think the difference between those two is smaller than the difference between the receivers you could have had. Yeah, but that's hindsight. When I took Aaron Jones in round two, I didn't know that Philip Lindsay was going to go two full rounds later, basically. I didn't know that. Yeah, no. I'm not criticizing. two full rounds later basically like i i didn't know that yeah no i'm not criticizing to say a second ago i think aaron jones was fine where you took him i think his value is fine i mean we just don't really know
Starting point is 00:32:13 and i agree with his whole point as well but it is a it is a good offense you're right he's getting plenty of high value touches he's running a lot of routes they're using him in the passing game they're using him in the downfield passing game which has proven to be a very valuable uh little small subset of touches we don't see running backs do a lot of that but austin eckler caught a deep touchdown this week todd gurley we've seen it from david johnson we've seen it from mile sanders this year guys that are actually running backs that are actually getting downfield on linebackers i think they're getting targeted at a really high rate when they run those routes and they're getting really high production out of those plays every guy just named has caught at least one touchdown on a deep target so aaron jones we've seen that twice two weeks in a row he dropped the touchdown two weeks ago then
Starting point is 00:32:52 they went back to him this week and he scored a touchdown on that play uh i think he's has plenty of value in his role even though it is a committee jamal williams also scored in this game but i i think you're discounting the broncos' backfield way too much. We've talked about this for a couple of weeks. They're top five in high-value touches to the running back position. Lindsey and Freeman are basically splitting them right down the middle. But Joe Flacco throws so many passes to his running backs. And I'm not – I mean, there is some goal line work,
Starting point is 00:33:19 but I'm not as worried about the scoring potential in an offense where they're getting – I don't have the numbers in front of me, but probably eight, nine targets per game to the running backs right now. Yeah, guys, listen. Here's the bottom line. Phillip Lindsey on a per-game basis in PPR is RB18, and Royce Freeman is RB25. Aaron Jones is RB5. So it's like you can talk about touches all you want and all that. I'm talking about production.
Starting point is 00:33:42 We're seven games into the season. Aaron Jones is RB5. Phillip Lindsey is RB18. He had a four touchdown games while Jamal Williams, he had a four touchdown game while Jamal Williams was out. But he's basically been reliable every week except for week one. And week
Starting point is 00:33:58 six wasn't great. Yeah. But he's, you know. I think if you looked at Aaron Jones per game when Jamal williams has played it would be very similar to lindsey and freeman no i don't think that's i don't think it would i okay i'll do the math okay yeah let's talk about a couple i thought a couple interesting receivers give me some buy low sell high out of this go ahead so brandon brandon cooks went 70th overall in this draft he went after
Starting point is 00:34:25 marquez valdez scantling i took michael gallup over him i was considering cooks but i really like gallup's downfield profile he didn't get many air yards last week but they were up the whole game when they are in close games this year they've been willing to throw downfield so i'm pretty high on gallup right now but as i did that i thought to myself wow i'm i'm really discounting brandon cooks right now uh yes cooper cup has exploded yes gerald everett is involved in getting a lot of downfield work and getting a lot of air yards that may be limiting brandon cooks but are we that sure that brandon cooks is going to be bad the rest of the season i i think he's an interesting bylo candidate way back there uh christian and then some injured guys christian cook kirk went in the the eighth round uh robbie anderson and uh went in the eighth round as well
Starting point is 00:35:10 who because sam donald has been injured has not really had great quarterback play i think there's some potential for him to outproduce that uh i thought the receiver shake up in like the sixth to eighth round was really interesting okay yeah i Yeah, I took Anderson because of the schedule, Robbie Anderson. But the pick I took before that in the seventh round, so that was somewhere around 90th overall, was AJ Green, who I suspect is back in two weeks after their bye. And I'm still optimistic about him. I mean, the wide receivers that went after him were Marquise Brown, Marvin Jones, Philip Dorsett, Robbie Anderson, Larry Fitzgerald. It's not a bad group.
Starting point is 00:35:49 But I liked that A.J. Green pick. I was happy about that. I think that Darren Waller, I mean, Heath, you took him as the fourth tight end off the board. You know, you took him ahead of Zach Ertz. I would turn Darren Waller into Zacherts. I would probably try to turn Austin Hooper into Zacherts. Waller didn't have any touchdowns before this game against the Packers. Now, if Tyrell Williams comes back, when he comes back, hopefully in the next few weeks, I think that could hurt Darren Waller and he could go back to just being like a six for 60 guy you know very very good PPR guy but um I don't I can't see a justification so I would say sell high on
Starting point is 00:36:31 well I could see a justification I could but I wouldn't do it I would say sell high on Darren Waller and buy low on Zach Ertz I was going to say I wouldn't but I wouldn't take Waller over Ertz so that's a okay first things first by my math Philip Lindsay has averaged 14.7 PPR fantasy points per game when Jamal Williams has played. Aaron Jones? Aaron Jones has? Aaron Jones, 14.7. Philip Lindsay is at 14.5 for the season. So very, very similar.
Starting point is 00:37:01 That's so perfect. I don't buy it. I think you're wrong. Okay. You can do don't buy it. I think you're wrong. Okay. You can do the math while I tell you why you're wrong about Zach Ertz and Darren Waller. First off, I think you would know me well enough after five years of doing this together that I am not going to worry about a touchdown rate for a tight end who's amongst the most targeted in the league after five games. It was dumb bad luck that Darren Waller didn't have any touchdowns. And by the way, Zach Ertz now has fewer touchdowns than Darren Waller does this season.
Starting point is 00:37:38 My bigger concern, though, is I don't have any worry week to week about Darren Waller's targets. Derek Carr, we saw what he did with Jared Cook last year. Waller's been awesome so far. Carr does not have the time to drop back and look deep like his head coach wants him to. He's going to dump the ball off. Waller's going to be very, very safe in PPR on a weekly basis. I still expect he'll score touchdowns too, but Zach Ertz has kind of lost a little bit the last couple of weeks to Dallas Goddard.
Starting point is 00:38:08 And I will admit being wrong on this so far. I thought it was kind of silly that people were projecting Dallas Goddard to take targets away from Zach Ertz when they were on the same team last year and Ertz was one of the best tight ends in football, but it's happening. 12 targets in his last two games,
Starting point is 00:38:25 at least nine PPR points in three of his last four games for Goddard. And that does cause me to discount Ertz just a little bit. I also worry when Deshaun Jackson comes back. Once again, we've got too many mounts to feed in Philadelphia. I think there's an argument you could make for Darren Waller as the number one tight end in PPR the rest of the season. Okay, so you're cool with that? You're taking Waller as the number one tight end in PPR the rest of the season. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:45 So you're cool with that? You're taking Waller over? All right. All right. That works for me. He was the fourth off the board. Did you do the math? No, I'm not going to do the math.
Starting point is 00:38:55 I'm just going to assume you're wrong, but you're probably right. Okay. Yeah. I'm still confidently taking Aaron Jones over Philip Lindsay. And again, you can't criticize my pick. It's hindsight's 20-20. Philip Lindsay. You knew there were really good wide receivers left when you took Aaron Jones.
Starting point is 00:39:14 I did. And you knew there would not be. I took Julian Edelman in the next round, who also is a very good wide receiver. So I got my good wide receiver. Okay. Yeah. But I want to be good at running back still. All right. We got to take a break here.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Although, I guess, no, let's finish up. If there are any more buy low, sell high opportunities that you guys see. I want to hear your guys' take on Brandon Cooks. I brought that up, and Adam just like, in Adam's host way, just decided to change the subject to what he wanted to talk about. But I actually wanted to get your guys' take on that. No, that was your point. I didn't, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Well, here's my thing. Because I think Cooper Cupp might guys' take on that. No, that was your point. I didn't – yeah. Well, here's my thing because I think Cooper Cup might be – based on where he went, I don't think he should have gone ahead of Tyreek Hill or Amari Cooper. I'm not sure about Mike Evans. I've kind of soured on Cooper Cup because here's the thing, guys. It's just you cannot say, well, based on last year, their offense isn't as good. I haven't soured on Cooper Cup to the point where I don't think he's like a second round
Starting point is 00:40:06 pick, but he went ahead of Tyree Kill, Amari Cooper, Mike Evans, Devontae Adams, Keenan Allen, and Odell Beckham. But he's been better this year than he was last year. Yeah, yeah. But the last two games haven't been good for Cup. The offense isn't nearly as good. They still have a bye. I just, I don't know know going ahead of those again i was asking about brandon cook well brandon cook it's it's i yeah i we agree with
Starting point is 00:40:34 your brandon cook's take he's he's a buy low i didn't i how would you know i haven't said anything because trust me i know you believe i want to hear his take on brandon cook but it's about i am a little i'm a little bit worried about Brandon Cook. I kind of agree with him falling in this draft, and this is the second consecutive week that in my projections he's not been a top 30 wide receiver despite a fantastic matchup, and that's worrisome. I might fudge the numbers a little bit to try to move him into the top 30,
Starting point is 00:41:01 but I did that last week, and it was a bad decision. I don't know that there, on week to week basis will be enough time for Jared Goff to target cooks down the field regularly. And I do think that Cooper cup has become the number one in this offense. And one of the things that kind of kept all three Rams wide receivers in that same top 20 range was the fact that there wasn't a number one so they could all get eight targets per week if somebody's getting nine and a half that comes away from someone else and right now it looks like it's cooks especially with the involvement of gerald everett so i i have downgraded gerald brandon cooks yeah he went 70th overall though so i think
Starting point is 00:41:40 that you can downgrade them and still take them ahead of 70th like i would take i was asking i took gallop ahead of cooks and it's hard not to because he's a like similar downfield threat that's actually getting air yards actually getting targets so i don't know like if i wanted to really be nitpicky i would probably take cooks over gallop i would definitely take him over marquez valdez scantling i would probably in ppr i don't think i would take him over alshon um i would definitely take him over marquez valdez scantling i would probably in ppr i don't think i would take him over alshon um i would have taken him over ridley before the sinew trade which is when this draft was but now i wouldn't um so like the next guy is alan robinson and i thought he was maybe the biggest steal in the whole draft okay then i guess by low on by low
Starting point is 00:42:23 on alan robinson Way to go. All right, we got to wrap up this discussion here. You can see the results of the draft on the website on cbssports.com slash fantasy. And we're going to take a quick break on fantasy football today. When we come back, we got to preview this Thursday night game that nobody wants to watch, Minnesota and Washington. And I'm going to try to take a look at the best playoff schedules
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Starting point is 00:43:06 make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Washington is at Minnesota. And Heath, are there any Redskins that you're confidently starting? Confidently might be the wrong word, but I'm probably starting Terry McClure. And I know the most recent game wasn't a good one, but I saw this really good email exchange between a couple of fantasy analysts that I really respect about how bad the Minnesota corners have been this year. And I don't know that I believe they're quite as bad as that discussion led me to believe, but I don't think they're a matchup we have to shy away from right now. I'm not going to worry about McLaurin's one bad game in the rain with 12 pass attempts. They'll throw it more on Thursday.
Starting point is 00:43:54 I think he'll have a good day. I don't want to start a Washington running back, even if only one of them plays. They're a desperation flex at best. Okay. Only one running back so far has had more than 53 rushing yards against the vikings that was aaron jones not philip lindsey and uh only jones and mile sanders have had double digit non-ppr fantasy points or 12 ppr fantasy points against the vikings uh yeah so so like it so you wouldn't go with with peterson or Smallwood to try to get eight points? I don't want to.
Starting point is 00:44:31 It's a desperation play if you have to, but I would rather start Ty Johnson and JD McKissick over both. It feels like the Hilleman Thursday night play from a couple weeks ago that backfired into his mustache. Would you start Terry McLaurin or Ty Johnson? McLaurin by about a country mile. Yeah, see, I think... So Dave and Jamie have McLaurin outside the top 30,
Starting point is 00:44:55 and Heath has McLaurin 14th in non-PPR and 21st in PPR. And the Vikings were number one against wide receivers last year, and this year they're 23rd or something. So I guess you could say I'm on his side on that one. All roads are open. An interesting thing with McCorn, he mentioned that rainy game, but he only had four air yards this week. That's been his whole game. He's had really consistent air yards week to week.
Starting point is 00:45:24 But also Case Keenum only had had i can't remember the number i wrote it in stealing signals a really really low total of air yards they didn't throw the ball down the field because they didn't think they could in the pouring rain it completely like that weather game didn't affect any player more than terry mclaurin so i'm throwing that game out completely i still think mclaurin's somebody we should be really high on based on what he's done before that game. Okay, we'll transition over to the Minnesota Vikings after I tell you about Harry's razors. Humans have been shaving for over 5,000 years, from flint tools to shark teeth to the first copper razor. We always knew that a great shave comes down to one thing, simple, sharp, durable blades. That's it, Sharp, durable blades. And that's what you get
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Starting point is 00:46:42 Yeah, I will. Heath, I'm going to make you say something that, you know, you're going to say the wrong thing now so I can shove it in your face in a year or two. Okay. If you were starting a franchise right now, would you rather have Gardner Minshew or Daniel Jones? Gardner Minshew. He was a better passer in college.
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Starting point is 00:47:55 My rankings weekly are influenced somewhat by my opinion, but it's more math than opinion, and I don't know the math on Sunday night, so I just say the things that I feel, and then it turns out I'm wrong. Or your math is wrong I mean like go with your gut could be yeah no I I don't believe that's a particularly accurate way for me to do it at least okay um it may be for for some other people but yeah he's a borderline top 12 guy I worry about the volume but I do think that the obviously the efficiency is going to be there.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Yeah, so would you rather have Jacoby Brissett against Denver or Kirk Cousins this week? I am worried a little bit about Brissett because that regression is going to hit at some point, but I do have him one spot ahead of Cousins, and I feel more confident in his pass volume. Would you rather have Matthew Stafford against the Giants or Kirk Cousins, and I feel more confident in his pass volume. Would you rather have Matthew Stafford against the Giants or Kirk Cousins?
Starting point is 00:48:48 Matthew Stafford is a top three quarterback and my favorite quarterback in DFS this week. Give me all of the Matthew Stafford. All right, let me get one more here. How about Jared Goff against the Bengals or Cousins? I'll take Goff. So basically you've picked all of the
Starting point is 00:49:04 guys that I would start over Kirk Cousins. I'm curious. You have Cousins ahead of Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, Phillip Rivers. Yes. Okay. And then start Dalvin Cook. And Ben, would you start...
Starting point is 00:49:19 If Adam Thielen plays, what would you do? Because if Adam Thielen doesn't play, Stefan Diggs is a top 12 wide receiver. But if Thielen plays, what would you do? Because if Adam Thielen doesn't play, Stefan Diggs is a top 12 wide receiver. But if Thielen plays, what would you do with Diggs and Thielen? Oh, man, that's tough. I don't think he's going to play. If he does play, I would still play Diggs because I would kind of be concerned about Thielen re-aggravating. I think it's a really long shot that he plays with a hamstring injury after just three days off. But maybe he toughs it out. I'd have a hard time starting him, and I'd still play Diggs.
Starting point is 00:49:48 I don't know. Okay, so Diggs is a must-start. Get him in your lineup, top 12 receiver. He's got 100 yards in three of his last four games, and without Thielen, it's going to be great. B.C. Johnson, Heath, four catches, 40 yards, and a touchdown on eight targets last week. Any interest in B.C. Johnson?
Starting point is 00:50:05 Not particularly. How about a tight end, Rudolph and Irv Smith? No thanks. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I understand. But without Thiel in there, there are targets to go around. But I get it. But they're going to run.
Starting point is 00:50:17 They're at home against Washington. They're going to go into their run-heavy stuff. Okay. Not a great situation. So Minnesota's DST is second for Jamie, third for Dave, number one for Heath. It's pretty easy game.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Cousins will be tricky, I guess for some people, but you know who you're starting and you're sitting most of your Redskins. So it's McLaurin and Diggs, I guess are going to be the, the ones we'll get a lot of questions about. And I'm happy to answer them. Fantasy football at c CBSi.com.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Heath, you said Matthew Stafford's your favorite FanDuel quarterback? Yes. Who else? You going to stack him with Galladay, Jones? I will play some Galladay and some Jones. If you're talking about who else are my favorite players on the slate, though, like I said it three weeks ago, Christian McCaffrey needs to be $10,000. They've almost moved him there.
Starting point is 00:51:06 He's $9,600 now. I'm probably still going to play him. Latavius Murray is the free space if Alvin Kamara is still out. He's only $6,200 this week. And I'll probably go back to Tyler Boyd. I believe in targets. All right, there you go. And those are some of the strategies that you can take into your FanDuel lineup.
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Starting point is 00:52:22 Go to fanduel.com slash FFT or download the FanDuel app. That is it for the video portion, at least seeing our face. So we're going to take a break, not an audio break. We'll be back momentarily, but we're going to set up a little bit differently. We're going to do some regulating, answer your Apple podcast questions, and take a look at the best playoff schedules if we have time. If not, we will save that until tomorrow. So we'll be right back.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Here we go. Let's regulate. This is from Carlos in Sunrise, Florida. One of my league managers flew off the rails when he assumed his trade didn't go through because of a veto. He went on a profanity laced tirade name calling calling everyone the f word etc to have everyone explain in our group chat why it was vetoed and asked for a second vote the transaction never appeared in transactions accepted nor vetoed turns out the other trade manager hadn't dropped a player so the trade counted as an illegal transaction the
Starting point is 00:53:23 manager who got upset offered a lame apology saying, quote, bad assumption on my part, end quote, only offering an apology once the trade did go through. Not the point, but this guy is 6-1 and ranked number one. As commish, I wrote that his outburst was completely unnecessary and not league appropriate. Do you recommend any punitive action for his tirade, leaning towards not inviting him
Starting point is 00:53:46 back next season? Heath, what do you think? I think you have to know your league here. I cannot think of any leagues. I take that back. I have one where that person would not be invited back. But for the most part, that type of stuff is good for fantasy leagues and you're all friends. And you just get to make fun of him for the next decade about losing his mind over a fantasy trade-in. Ben? Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. I was going to say the same thing. It's kind of like you've got to know your crowd.
Starting point is 00:54:20 I mean, I'm sure there's leagues where this kind of stuff happens every year maybe a couple of times a year um i don't i know when i was younger i was in some leagues like that where people got really worked up on the on the message boards i don't really know of any now uh but it flies in some crowds right but then in others it would be like way out of line. Ben, over under on the number of profanity-laced tirades Adam Azer has posted on message boards in his fantasy football career. Profanity-laced? Why don't you set the over under?
Starting point is 00:54:55 I don't know that Adam's like a big swearer. You can set the over under. All right, so you said three and a half. Heath, are you taking the over or the under? Over. Yeah, the answer is zero. I have never once done that, ever. I'm not really, I'm said three and a half. Heath, are you taking the over or the under? Over. Yeah, the answer is zero. I have never once done that, ever. I'm not a trash talker.
Starting point is 00:55:09 I don't know if you noticed that. But I'm not a trash talker. I'm a very nice guy, but I do curse a lot, Ben. What are you talking about? That I'm not nice? You don't think I'm nice? Only one person on this podcast has called someone an idiot moron or a moron or an idiot. You really did it.
Starting point is 00:55:29 I can't believe this. And it's multiple times. I have a picture to prove it. You idiot. You are such an idiot. Like, what the hell is the matter with you? You moron. I hate you.
Starting point is 00:55:41 That was a great clip from last year. Yeah, that was me. But you bring that out at me. I guess the answer would probably be over three and a half if I had played more leagues with Heath when I was younger. I would say that would be the answer. But for this particular player, for Carlos and Sunrise, your issue's been regulated.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Just make fun of him forever. And I would never do something like that. All right, Apple Podcast questions. DK Metcalf or Kenny Stills? I don't know if that's for this week or rest of season or what, but DK Metcalf or Kenny Stills? Stills, I think, for the
Starting point is 00:56:15 short term. I'm excited about Metcalf this week, though. Metcalf at Atlanta and Stills against Oakland. They both have great matchups. I think I actually have Metcalf ranked Atlanta and Stills against Oakland. They both have great matchups. I think I actually have Metcalf ranked a little higher this week. Okay. Stills played 95% of the snaps because Fuller went out right away,
Starting point is 00:56:35 filled that Fuller role like almost exactly. So I'm expecting him to be a full-time player downfield option. He was basically Will Filler. Yeah. Will Filler. Filled in for Will F yeah uh rank these guys rest of season in ppr robbie anderson jarvis landry golden tate philip dorsett muhammad sanu robbie anderson jarvis landry golden tate philip dorsett muhammad sanu ben i would put dorsett and sanu at the end like he has them. I'd put Sanu ahead
Starting point is 00:57:06 of Dorsett. As much as I think the second round pick is a lot, I don't necessarily think New England's going to use Sanu a ton. We talked earlier about receivers changing teams in season. They also have Nikhil Harry coming back. I don't
Starting point is 00:57:22 see how he's going to be a fantasy stud. He'd be fourth. Dorsett would be fifth. Dorsett shouldn't be rostered at this point. I think Tate would be third. Pretty much the way that he has him ranked other than flipping Sanu and Dorsett. I think I'd go Robbie. I might go Landry over
Starting point is 00:57:37 Robbie Anderson at the top. No, I think I'd go Robbie, Landry, Tate, Sanu, Dorsett. Dorsett doesn't need to be owned. That's interesting. His snaps go from like 90 percent to like four percent based on whether they have guys available uh last year after they acquired Josh Gordon his snaps he had been playing like 90 percent every week disappeared shot back up after Gordon was done for the year this year same thing he's played high snaps then when Antonio Brown came in,
Starting point is 00:58:05 he went down to like a 4% snap share. They just acquired most of noon. And if Gordon's healthy, and especially with Nikhil Harry coming back, there's going to be games where he's their odd man out. They'll play 90% snap shares, and then they'll play 5% snap shares. Well, I got to wait until Gordon's back
Starting point is 00:58:19 before I make that call. Because as long as Gordon's out, I think Dorsett has a role. This is from Team Magenta Zone. Who are some good trade targets with excellent fantasy playoff schedules? Hang on one second and I'll tell you. So here's our last question.
Starting point is 00:58:34 Logan from Kentucky. Am I crazy for contemplating starting John Brown over Julio Jones this week? John Brown against Philadelphia. They give up maybe the most fantasy points to wide receiver. I think the most. Or Julio Jones against week? John Brown against Philadelphia. They give up maybe the most fantasy points to wide receiver. I think the most. Or Julio Jones against Seattle. I definitely would have done
Starting point is 00:58:52 that before the Sanu trade. I currently have Brown one spot ahead of Jones in non-PPR and Jones a little bit higher in PPR. I do expect his target share to go up, hopefully. But I don't think it's crazy at all. I think Brown may even be safe for this week. I know Ben hates John Brown, so he's going to say no way.
Starting point is 00:59:09 It's crazy and you're crazy for telling him it's not crazy. No, baby, this is contingent. Why do you hate John Brown? It's not even that I hate John Brown. They threw 26 passes last week. Like, Julio Jones, you start every week. But Matt Ryan. He has a 50-point upside.
Starting point is 00:59:24 He has a 50-point game every year. You don't want to miss that week. That's a week-winning upside every week. You don't sit him for a guy who might get six targets and catch 100 yards and one touchdown. Let's clarify. I'm currently ranking and assuming that Matt Schaub is a starting quarterback for the Falcons. Okay. That's a little different.
Starting point is 00:59:44 He doesn't have a 50-point upside. Yes. That's the thing. If Matt Ryan were playing, yes starting quarterback for the Falcons. Okay, that's a little different. He doesn't have 50-point upset. Yes, that's the thing. I mean, if Matt Ryan were playing, yes, that'd be one thing. You start Julio Jones. But I think I would start John Brown. I would do it. If Matt Schaub is playing, I would start John Brown over Julio. Ben, I'm going to let you think about that.
Starting point is 00:59:58 What do you think? Still don't think I would. Okay. All right, so MagentaZone asked for the best playoff schedules. I don't like this exercise yet. I think it might be a week or two early. I want to see a little bit more. But I did go through weeks 14, 15, and 16 for quarterbacks, running backs, and tight ends.
Starting point is 01:00:18 I sort of lumped quarterbacks with wide receivers. And trying to find the teams that have the best matchups. And what I did was I looked at fantasy points allowed to each position. receivers and trying to find the teams that have the best matchups. And what I did was I looked at fantasy points allowed to each position, and I took the top 10, basically the 10 worst teams against each position, and I found teams that have multiple matchups against those teams that struggle against quarterbacks, running backs, or tight ends. Hope that makes sense. So Greg Olson is someone that really jumps out.
Starting point is 01:00:48 He has Atlanta, Seattle, and the Colts. All three of those teams struggle against tight ends. And, or, yeah, they do. Atlanta is a team that I'm considering to be worse than their total season stats because they've had so many injuries. I expect them to be terrible defensively going forward. I don't know how much I trust Greg Olson, but he does have a
Starting point is 01:01:10 very favorable schedule. Unfortunately, the Jaguars and the Dolphins are two teams that have very good playoff schedules, but Tennessee... Okay, here are quarterbacks that have multiple matchups, multiple favorable matchups in the playoffs. Jacksonville's quarterback, Tennessee's quarterback,
Starting point is 01:01:29 whoever those are. Jacoby Brissett, Jimmy Garoppolo, Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones has at Philadelphia, Miami, and at Washington. Hopefully he's as good as he was against Arizona. Yeah, this does nothing for me. This does nothing for me. I mean, look, he was bad against Washington the first time. Cleveland has Cincinnati, Arizona, and then Baltimore.
Starting point is 01:01:50 So that could be good for Baker. He's got a tough stretch now. Baltimore's going to be tough going forward. Fine, but weeks 14 and 15, Cincinnati, Arizona, Cleveland's got a good matchup there. Cincinnati has Cleveland, New England, and at Miami, so they have two of three good matchups. I don't know that there's much.
Starting point is 01:02:05 To be honest with you, I really like Tom Brady weeks, like just after his bye. Tom Brady is at Philadelphia. His bye is in three weeks. He finishes the season at Philadelphia, Dallas at home, at Houston. Houston, awful against quarterbacks. Then Kansas City at home, at Cincinnati, and then you do have to worry about Buffalo in week 16.
Starting point is 01:02:26 But Brady has four beautiful matchups in his last six games. You worry that in December he throws last 18 passes. He's already had so many good matchups all season and hasn't been that productive because they get way ahead. Their defense
Starting point is 01:02:42 crushes and then they just run the ball in the second half. He's still a top 10 quarterback though. And he's actually throwing 39 passes per game, which is very high. And he just had like running back pass. He just added Muhammad Sanu, which is nice. I don't see anything with the quarterbacks.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Honestly, maybe Jacoby Brissett at Tampa Bay at new Orleans and then Carolina, like at new Orleans. I don't know that new Orleans is that easy of a matchup. So they statistically they are but I don't see anything with the quarterbacks uh the oh Kansas City though has terrible matchups in the playoffs at New England Denver at Chicago you know what this is for you for uh it's a good piece of evidence for your take that you need to roster two quarterbacks or that quarterbacks have trade value or any of that stuff because there,
Starting point is 01:03:27 yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of streaming options. Maybe the case is this year. You want to play the matchups a little bit in the postseason. You might want to have two reasonable quarterback options. So you can bet like there's no one guy you can write out. I,
Starting point is 01:03:39 but I think there are a lot of streaming options. Like he just told us all the bad teams for quarterbacks have good matchups we don't know who some of their quarterbacks are going to be that almost makes it easier to stream them i'm not gonna yeah i'm not gonna trade for them though you know like i'm not gonna trade for ryan tanhill or andy dalton because they have good playoff matchups yeah i like he's take better than mine though he's right uh running backs teams with good matchups the dolphins running backs have three top 10 matchups and two top five matchups right i mean this is such a bust the dolphins have the jets giants and bangles in the fantasy playoffs i mean maybe
Starting point is 01:04:15 that's good for davante parker preston williams minnesota's got great matchups in the playoffs washington has two top five matchups green bay Bay and the Giants. They also have Philadelphia in there. Baltimore, weeks 15 and 16, Jets and Browns. Not like, not like super easy. And those teams are giving up points,
Starting point is 01:04:33 but I, you know, it doesn't strike me as a very easy skit. Yeah. I really think, and I know we had people ask for this. You were right at the very beginning of this segment. It's just almost,
Starting point is 01:04:44 it's too early. Because a lot of these things, we've seen evidence from some of these defenses the first half of the season we've seen so far that they were good matchups. Two games against elite running backs could still greatly change
Starting point is 01:04:59 the performance of a team. So I don't know that we know much. Okay, fine. I will identify this. The Patriots having Houston in week 13, Kansas City at home in week 14, and at Cincinnati in week 15,
Starting point is 01:05:16 that to me seems indisputably beautiful. The Bears facing Green Bay in week 15 and Kansas City in week 16, those are two easy run defenses. And Jacksonville. Jacksonville. Oh, their matchups? At Oakland and at Atlanta in 15 and 16.
Starting point is 01:05:34 Oh, the Chargers too. The Chargers are a bad, bad run defense right now. So Jacksonville. Leonard Fournette has three great matchups, I think, in the playoffs. Chargers at home, at Oakland, at Atlanta. Ben definitely should have taken him over Le'Veon Bell. In hindsight. And that's it.
Starting point is 01:05:52 I mean, Darren Fels has good matchups going forward. His fantasy postseason's great. He has Tennessee and Tampa Bay. They're, in my opinion, two of the three worst against tight ends. But what are you going to do? Are you going to trade for Darren Fels? Come on. So this was a disappointing exercise,
Starting point is 01:06:08 but still worth doing. And I think I'm going to do it again in probably two weeks when we have a little bit more data and I think we can get something clear. But to me, Greg Olson, Tom Brady, Sonny Michel, go ahead. We can finish the show on a high note.
Starting point is 01:06:19 I've got 1,064 votes in our Twitter poll. No God. You're starting an NFL franchise. Who do you prefer as your starting quarterback? And Gardner Minshew is winning 54% to 46%. That's really, really wrong. It's wrong. It's just wrong.
Starting point is 01:06:36 Yeah, it's wrong. Like, it's just wrong. Okay, so thank you for bothering me for a full hour and 10 minutes, Heath. Much appreciated. Go take our survey, cbssports.com slash survey. For Heath and Ben, I'm Adam. We'll talk to you tomorrow with the NFC Home Games.

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